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1. 01:16 AM - Re: Official Lightning-List Usage Guidelines (Cskip513@aol.com)
2. 05:14 AM - Re: Lake Havasu Flight (Kayberg@AOL.COM)
3. 06:12 AM - Re: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! (flylightning)
4. 06:16 AM - Re: Determining IAS (flylightning)
5. 07:08 AM - Re: Determining IAS (Mark Stauffer)
6. 07:47 AM - Re: Determining IAS (IFLYSMODEL@aol.com)
7. 08:25 AM - Re: Determining IAS (Jim Langley)
8. 08:32 AM - Re: Determining IAS (Kayberg@AOL.COM)
9. 09:33 AM - Re: Determining IAS (Mark Stauffer)
10. 10:01 AM - Re: Determining IAS (Jim Langley)
11. 10:04 AM - Re: Determining IAS (Jim Langley)
12. 10:10 AM - Teaser again (Jim Langley)
13. 10:14 AM - Re: Determining IAS (flylightning)
14. 10:35 AM - Re: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! ()
15. 12:47 PM - Re: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! (GARY PENNINGTON)
16. 01:03 PM - Re: Lake Havasu Flight (GARY PENNINGTON)
17. 01:08 PM - Re: Determining IAS (GARY PENNINGTON)
18. 01:22 PM - Re: Determining IAS (Jim Langley)
19. 04:17 PM - Re: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! (Wayne Lenox)
20. 04:29 PM - Re: Lake Havasu Flight (Kayberg@aol.com)
21. 05:23 PM - Re: Lake Havasu Flight (Wayne Lenox)
22. 05:40 PM - Re: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! (N1BZRich@aol.com)
23. 05:48 PM - Re: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! (Wayne Lenox)
24. 07:20 PM - Re: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
25. 07:21 PM - Re: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
26. 07:39 PM - Re: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! (N1BZRich@aol.com)
27. 08:50 PM - Re: Lake Havasu Flight (JetPilot)
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Subject: | Re: Official Lightning-List Usage Guidelines |
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Subject: | Re: Lake Havasu Flight |
In a message dated 3/1/2009 9:03:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
pennington@q.com writes:
Now, it is important to note that I carry a 55 gallon plastic barrel in the
back of my truck for fuel. I installed a hand crank pump and 30' fuel hose
with a really good filter attached. The filter is a canister type that
separates water if there is any.
I hope it is the METAL canister type.
A resident of Green Landings had a clear plastic filter on his fuel hose
that had a replaceable element. Tho it had given some years of service, when
ethanol came along with the Amoco fuel, the plastic got soft and then cracked
open. Since it was hooked to an electrically driven pump, there was a
period of drama with gasoline being sprayed about the hangar.
My opinion is that careful thought and observation should be given to the
components of a fuel system these days, particularly since ethanol can bring a
variety of problems. I think hoses, filters and the fuel itself should be
carefully inspected frequently.
Doug Koenigsberg
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Subject: | Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! |
At about 10000 feet and 2950-3000RPM 170 TAS is possible with the long wing
tips.
nick
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY
PENNINGTON
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary!
Hello Scott
Is Havasu big enough for Offshore Power Boats? I would love to see the
races! Also, the scenery will be outstanding! I will seriously consider
flying out there.
If you've read any of my responses on this site, you may remember my
philosophies ... 1) "nothing is perfect" and 2) "everything is a
compromise". That said, "It depends". You have obviously investigated the
Lightning, I assume you like the looks...most people do. It is a great
looking plane and generates lots of interest wherever you go. Everywhere I
fly, at least one person will comment on how good it looks. Most people
think it is a "Lancair". My response is...."No, Lancairs are much slower".
Just kidding.
Anyway, I am 6'3" and weigh 195 lbs. I cut and lowered my seat pan 1" which
gave me a little more head room. I fit nicely in the seat and it is very
comfortable. If you are 280, you will be snug. I suggest you visit Greg
Hobbs in Marana, Arizona for demo flight or go to Tennessee. Shoulder room
is adequate. Adjustable rudder peddles are handy.
Here is some data on my Lightning. I hope it helps in your decision:
1) Cruise speed @ 2850 rpm @ 7000': 133 +/- IAS, 145 TAS (Note: I
have read reports from other builders that they achieve
170 mph from their
planes. I don't know how they managed it. I wish I knew. Maybe it
is at full
throttle.)
2) Fuel used: Premium Auto Fuel or AvGas
3) Fuel consumption: 3.9 to 4.5 gals/hour (Note: It burns more AvGas
that auto fuel)
4) Rate of climb: (depending on atmospheric conditions) 900-1300 fpm
with just me in the plane
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: scottarden@cox.net
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 8:52 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary!
I will be in Lake Havasu the last weekend of April for the big Offshore
Powerboat race. Anyone planning to go too? I am very interested in seeing
a lightning. I have been unable to get away to travel to Gary's to see his.
I am in So. Ca. Gary, if you have nothing to do on Friday, April 24, and
feel like flying up to Havasu (or if you're not too far from there I could
drive to you), I'd love to see the plane. You see I'm pretty sure I want to
hoin your fraternity and build one, but I'm not sure I will fit. I'm 6'4
and #280! Your thoughts?
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Jim,
You can do a wind triangle or wind star to determine the TAS with a GPS.
Most steam gauges ASI have a TAS ring you can paly with if you set it right
than you can compare that to the TAS you are getting form the GPS rns and
see if it is close.
nick
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Langley
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 8:18 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Determining IAS
Gary, you made me thing of a question with your last post.
How do you guys calibrate, or verify the indicated airspeed of your
instruments, be it a steam gage or your EFIS.
Flying along with another airplane that has a known correct reading?
Using a GPS and flying a course, (ugg.)
Jim!
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Jim,
You didn't seem too thrilled flying wind triangles so here's something else
to try. Make yourself a manometer! Here's one link:
http://www.eaa1000.av.org/technicl/instcal/instcal.htm and another:
http://iflyez.com/manometer.shtml.
I might make one just for the fun of it.
Hope this helps.
Mark
Mark Stauffer
Production Manager
Arion Aircraft
2842 Hwy 231 North
Shelbyville, TN 37160
(931) 680-1781
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Subject: | Re: Determining IAS |
Hey Jim: After you read up on making and using a mono meter, you will
understand why us simple minded pilots fly into and with the wind and do an average
calculation.
Lynn
In a message dated 3/2/2009 10:09:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mark@flylightning.net writes:
Jim,
You didn't seem too thrilled flying wind triangles so here's something else
to try. Make yourself a manometer! Here's one link:
_http://www.eaa1000.av.org/technicl/instcal/instcal.htm_
(http://www.eaa1000.av.org/technicl/instcal/instcal.htm) and another: _http://iflyez.com/manometer.shtml_
(http://iflyez.com/manometer.shtml) .
I might make one just for the fun of it.
Hope this helps.
Mark
Mark Stauffer
Production Manager
Arion Aircraft
2842 Hwy 231 North
Shelbyville, TN 37160
(931) 680-1781
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List)
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Subject: | Re: Determining IAS |
Thanks everyone. In looking at the mono meter, I m wondering if i can also
use it to make a martini?
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 10:46 AM, <IFLYSMODEL@aol.com> wrote:
> Hey Jim: After you read up on making and using a mono meter, you will
> understand why us simple minded pilots fly into and with the wind and do an
> average calculation.
> Lynn
>
> In a message dated 3/2/2009 10:09:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> mark@flylightning.net writes:
>
> *Jim,*
> **
> *You didn't seem too thrilled flying wind triangles so here's something
> else to try. Make yourself a manometer! Here's one link:
> http://www.eaa1000.av.org/technicl/instcal/instcal.htm and another:
> http://iflyez.com/manometer.shtml.*
> **
> *I might make one just for the fun of it.*
> **
> *Hope this helps.*
> **
> *Mark*
> *
>
> Mark Stauffer
> Production Manager
> Arion Aircraft
> 2842 Hwy 231 North
> Shelbyville, TN 37160
> (931) 680-1781
> *
>
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Subject: | Re: Determining IAS |
In a message dated 3/2/2009 11:25:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
pequeajim@gmail.com writes:
Thanks everyone. In looking at the mono meter, I m wondering if i can also
use it to make a martini?
as long as it is shaken, not stirred.
dk
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I'm pretty sure it can be easily converted into a beer bong that can be used
at local tailgate parties! Maybe you can determine the speed of drinking in
mph.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Langley
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:25 AM
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Determining IAS
Thanks everyone. In looking at the mono meter, I m wondering if i can
also use it to make a martini?
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 10:46 AM, <IFLYSMODEL@aol.com> wrote:
Hey Jim: After you read up on making and using a mono meter, you will
understand why us simple minded pilots fly into and with the wind and do an
average calculation.
Lynn
In a message dated 3/2/2009 10:09:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mark@flylightning.net writes:
Jim,
You didn't seem too thrilled flying wind triangles so here's something
else to try. Make yourself a manometer! Here's one link:
http://www.eaa1000.av.org/technicl/instcal/instcal.htm and another:
http://iflyez.com/manometer.shtml.
I might make one just for the fun of it.
Hope this helps.
Mark
Mark Stauffer
Production Manager
Arion Aircraft
2842 Hwy 231 North
Shelbyville, TN 37160
(931) 680-1781
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"Maybe you can determine the speed of drinking in mph"
My radar gun doesn't go that high!
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Stauffer
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:30 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Determining IAS
I'm pretty sure it can be easily converted into a beer bong that can be used
at local tailgate parties! Maybe you can determine the speed of drinking in
mph.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Langley
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Determining IAS
Thanks everyone. In looking at the mono meter, I m wondering if i can also
use it to make a martini?
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 10:46 AM, <IFLYSMODEL@aol.com> wrote:
Hey Jim: After you read up on making and using a mono meter, you will
understand why us simple minded pilots fly into and with the wind and do an
average calculation.
Lynn
In a message dated 3/2/2009 10:09:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mark@flylightning.net writes:
Jim,
You didn't seem too thrilled flying wind triangles so here's something else
to try. Make yourself a manometer! Here's one link:
http://www.eaa1000.av.org/technicl/instcal/instcal.htm and another:
http://iflyez.com/manometer.shtml.
I might make one just for the fun of it.
Hope this helps.
Mark
Mark Stauffer
Production Manager
Arion Aircraft
2842 Hwy 231 North
Shelbyville, TN 37160
(931) 680-1781
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Good point. This is why Mark is my hero. Like Kahn (from Star Trek fame),
his is a superior mind.
(grin)
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
IFLYSMODEL@aol.com
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Determining IAS
Hey Jim: After you read up on making and using a mono meter, you will
understand why us simple minded pilots fly into and with the wind and do an
average calculation.
Lynn
In a message dated 3/2/2009 10:09:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mark@flylightning.net writes:
Jim,
You didn't seem too thrilled flying wind triangles so here's something else
to try. Make yourself a manometer! Here's one link:
http://www.eaa1000.av.org/technicl/instcal/instcal.htm and another:
http://iflyez.com/manometer.shtml.
I might make one just for the fun of it.
Hope this helps.
Mark
Mark Stauffer
Production Manager
Arion Aircraft
2842 Hwy 231 North
Shelbyville, TN 37160
(931) 680-1781
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Here is another teaser. I had to get this shot before Ryan came in with the
big bat.
I just got out alive.
Secret Agent N730AL
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Yea, you know that general chang from Star trek VI is captain Von Trap from
sound of music.thats a swing!
nick
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Langley
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:04 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Determining IAS
Good point. This is why Mark is my hero. Like Kahn (from Star Trek fame),
his is a superior mind.
(grin)
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
IFLYSMODEL@aol.com
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Determining IAS
Hey Jim: After you read up on making and using a mono meter, you will
understand why us simple minded pilots fly into and with the wind and do an
average calculation.
Lynn
In a message dated 3/2/2009 10:09:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mark@flylightning.net writes:
Jim,
You didn't seem too thrilled flying wind triangles so here's something else
to try. Make yourself a manometer! Here's one link:
http://www.eaa1000.av.org/technicl/instcal/instcal.htm and another:
http://iflyez.com/manometer.shtml.
I might make one just for the fun of it.
Hope this helps.
Mark
Mark Stauffer
Production Manager
Arion Aircraft
2842 Hwy 231 North
Shelbyville, TN 37160
(931) 680-1781
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matron.m
atronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
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Subject: | Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! |
Hey, JD!
I was back there this past Sept for the OSS World Finals. Beautiful place! GREAT
race venue. If anyone gets a chance to go, I highly recommend it!
--
Have a blessed day!
Scott C. Arden
---- "J.D. Stewart" <jstewart@inebraska.com> wrote:
> Just in case someone's in the Midwest and wants to see powerboat races,
> I live right on the water @ Lake of the Ozarks, in MO. There are races and
> poker runs here all the time. If someone wanted to fly their Lightning in,
> I'd gladly trade some boat time for airplane time. :>) That goes for you
> too, Nick (or anyone at the factory).
> I'm 6'2" also with a long torso. 34" inseam, though. It was a tight
> fit for me in the silver demo plane. I'd want to lower my seat pan also.
> J.D. Stewart
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> From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY
> PENNINGTON
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 6:28 PM
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary!
>
>
> Hello Scott
>
> Is Havasu big enough for Offshore Power Boats? I would love to see the
> races! Also, the scenery will be outstanding! I will seriously consider
> flying out there.
>
> If you've read any of my responses on this site, you may remember my
> philosophies ... 1) "nothing is perfect" and 2) "everything is a
> compromise". That said, "It depends". You have obviously investigated the
> Lightning, I assume you like the looks...most people do. It is a great
> looking plane and generates lots of interest wherever you go. Everywhere I
> fly, at least one person will comment on how good it looks. Most people
> think it is a "Lancair". My response is...."No, Lancairs are much slower".
> Just kidding.
>
> Anyway, I am 6'3" and weigh 195 lbs. I cut and lowered my seat pan 1" which
> gave me a little more head room. I fit nicely in the seat and it is very
> comfortable. If you are 280, you will be snug. I suggest you visit Greg
> Hobbs in Marana, Arizona for demo flight or go to Tennessee. Shoulder room
> is adequate. Adjustable rudder peddles are handy.
>
> Here is some data on my Lightning. I hope it helps in your decision:
>
> 1) Cruise speed @ 2850 rpm @ 7000': 133 +/- IAS, 145 TAS (Note: I
> have read reports from other builders that they achieve
> 170 mph from their
> planes. I don't know how they managed it. I wish I knew. Maybe it
> is at full
> throttle.)
> 2) Fuel used: Premium Auto Fuel or AvGas
> 3) Fuel consumption: 3.9 to 4.5 gals/hour (Note: It burns more AvGas
> that auto fuel)
> 4) Rate of climb: (depending on atmospheric conditions) 900-1300 fpm
> with just me in the plane
>
> Gary Pennington
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: scottarden@cox.net
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 8:52 AM
> Subject: Lightning-List: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary!
>
>
> I will be in Lake Havasu the last weekend of April for the big Offshore
> Powerboat race. Anyone planning to go too? I am very interested in seeing
> a lightning. I have been unable to get away to travel to Gary's to see his.
> I am in So. Ca. Gary, if you have nothing to do on Friday, April 24, and
> feel like flying up to Havasu (or if you're not too far from there I could
> drive to you), I'd love to see the plane. You see I'm pretty sure I want to
> hoin your fraternity and build one, but I'm not sure I will fit. I'm 6'4
> and #280! Your thoughts?
> --
> Have a blessed day!
> Scott C. nbsp; Features Chat, http://www.matnbsp;
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Subject: | Re: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! |
Hello Buz
Thanks for the response. I also have the Grand Rapids EFIS. One thing
I've noticed though is that the OAT reading is never the same as the
reported field temp. I spoke to GRT about it after finishing the plane.
They said it was a bad sensor so they sent another. It reads the same. I
installed the first sensor in the fresh air intake. The second one I
installed inside the gear leg fairing to avoid temp fluctuations due to
engine heat. No change.
Anyway, higher altitude makes little difference in the IAS and TAS as
indicated by the EFIS at 2850 rpm. As I noted, the steam gauge ASI reads
identical to the EFIS for IAS With the prop that Nick sent, my engine
will turn max +/- 3000-3100 rpm. It is my understanding that the max
continuous rpm is 2850. Due you commonly run higher and if so, isn't
that hard on the engine?
I don't know what else to say. At between 6000'-9000' and 2850 rpm, IAS
is approx. 134 mph and TAS is about 144 mph....according to the gauges.
Thanks again.
Gary
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Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary!
In a message dated 2/28/2009 7:29:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
pennington@q.com<mailto:pennington@q.com> writes:
I have read reports from other builders that they achieve 170 mph
from their planes. I don't know how they managed it. I wish I knew.
Maybe it is at full throttle.)
Gary,
The 170 TAS that I often get on a long cross country is certainly
not at full throttle. I am normally up at 10,000' or sometimes even
higher, depending on winds and weather. The cross county technique that
I use is to set the fuel flow that I want and then accept the rpm and
the true airspeed that it gives me. After my level off, I normally set
6 gallons per hour and, with the prop I have been using - a 64ZK55, that
will usually give the something around 165 to 172 mph true airspeed when
at altitudes of 10 to 12 thousand feet. Of course rpm varies a little
but is normally around 3050 to 3100. Note my CHTs, EGTs and oil temps
are all well within the green at this setting. In fact, all are green
right on up through WOT.
Now a few other thoughts. As far as comparing airspeeds with
various props, rpm, fuel flows, etc. It is always better to have at
least one common point. Nick and I most always use 5,000' when doing
speed comparisons. The main reason for picking 5,000' is that you
normally have smooth air when that high (even in the summer) and of
course you want smooth air so you can trim the airplane up and let the
engine run for a while at whatever rpm you are using so things settle
down. (I often use auto pilot with altitude hold on.) Another thing we
normally do is to use 5,000 density altitude (as either determined by
your EFIS or by you if you know OAT and pressure altitude). Of course,
most of us have the Grand Rapids EFIS so we always know the exact
density altitude, and by always using the same density altitude for the
speed runs you always have good numbers that are already compensated for
when you make runs on different days, even summer to winter.
Now having said that, the 64ZK55 that I have used for about two
years is really not enough prop for my airplane. I say that because at
5,000 I can over speed the engine when at WOT. So pulling the prop back
to 3300 gives me about 183 to 185 mph true. Some other rpm numbers to
compare at 5000: 2650 gives 136 to 137, 2850 gives 150 to 151, and 3050
gives about 170.
I have been recently doing some new prop test with a 62FK60. With
this prop at 5,000 density altitude, WOT only allows my engine to turn
up 3200 rpm but that speed is 184 to 185. 2650 gives 145, 2850 gives
160, and 3050 gives 175. Again, all numbers are at 5,000' density
altitude and are in miles per hour true airspeed. The down side to this
prop, if I keep it, is that I may need to change the jetting in the carb
as the engine burns more fuel with it. The fuel differences are not
very large at the lower rpm but steadily increase as rpm goes up such
that at above 2950 to 3000 it is about a gallon more and continues
increasing.as you get closer to WOT.
One other thing to remember, the above performance numbers are
with my highly modified Esqual with lots of clean up mods. Your
Lightning, if built light and straight with good clean up mods, should
actually do slightly better, as the prototype Lightning is about 2 to 3
mph faster than 31BZ when Nick an I fly them in close formation with the
same props and same rpm. But as they say, your mileage may vary.
Hope this helps.
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Subject: | Re: Lake Havasu Flight |
Hello Doug
No, the hose I use is 1" ID rubber fuel hose. The same hose used at gas
stations. As I noted before, the filter is a canister type fuel filter.
Looks like a large oil filter. It may also interest you to know that I
installed a ground wire to be used when fueling.
Gary
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Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lake Havasu Flight
In a message dated 3/1/2009 9:03:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
pennington@q.com<mailto:pennington@q.com> writes:
Now, it is important to note that I carry a 55 gallon plastic barrel
in the back of my truck for fuel. I installed a hand crank pump and 30'
fuel hose with a really good filter attached. The filter is a canister
type that separates water if there is any.
I hope it is the METAL canister type.
A resident of Green Landings had a clear plastic filter on his fuel
hose that had a replaceable element. Tho it had given some years of
service, when ethanol came along with the Amoco fuel, the plastic got
soft and then cracked open. Since it was hooked to an electrically
driven pump, there was a period of drama with gasoline being sprayed
about the hangar.
My opinion is that careful thought and observation should be given to
the components of a fuel system these days, particularly since ethanol
can bring a variety of problems. I think hoses, filters and the fuel
itself should be carefully inspected frequently.
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Subject: | Re: Determining IAS |
Hello Jim
On several occasions while flying, I've noted IAS as compared to GPS
ground speed during conditions of little or no wind. The numbers are
very close.
Gary
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Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 7:18 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Determining IAS
Gary, you made me thing of a question with your last post.
How do you guys calibrate, or verify the indicated airspeed of your
instruments, be it a steam gage or your EFIS.
Flying along with another airplane that has a known correct reading?
Using a GPS and flying a course, (ugg.)
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Thanks Gary:
I know my IAS is reading off a little on my steam gauge. I just wanted to
figure out how much. If I get it reading correctly, I can adjust my EIFS
easily to match it.
All good information. Especially the beer bong.
Jim!
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PENNINGTON
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Determining IAS
Hello Jim
On several occasions while flying, I've noted IAS as compared to GPS ground
speed during conditions of little or no wind. The numbers are very close.
Gary
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From: Jim Langley <mailto:pequeajim@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 7:18 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Determining IAS
Gary, you made me thing of a question with your last post.
How do you guys calibrate, or verify the indicated airspeed of your
instruments, be it a steam gage or your EFIS.
Flying along with another airplane that has a known correct reading?
Using a GPS and flying a course, (ugg.)
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Subject: | Re: Havasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary! |
Gary
Your Numbers are right on. Buz has a Different engine that produces mor
e power and a different wing.
Wayne
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->Hello Buz Thanks for the response. I also have the Grand Rapids EFIS.
One thing I've noticed though is that the OAT reading is never the same
as the reported field temp. I spoke to GRT about it after finishing the
plane. They said it was a bad sensor so they sent another. It reads the
same. I installed the first sensor in the fresh air intake. The second o
ne I installed inside the gear leg fairing to avoid temp fluctuations du
e to engine heat. No change. Anyway, higher altitude makes little diffe
rence in the IAS and TAS as indicated by the EFIS at 2850 rpm. As I note
d, the steam gauge ASI reads identical to the EFIS for IAS With the pro
p that Nick sent, my engine will turn max +/- 3000-3100 rpm. It is my un
derstanding that the max continuous rpm is 2850. Due you commonly run hi
gher and if so, isn't that hard on the engine? I don't know what else to
say. At between 6000'-9000' and 2850 rpm, IAS is approx. 134 mph and TA
S is about 144 mph....according to the gauges. Thanks again.Gary----- Or
iginal Message ----- From: N1BZRich@aol.com To: lightning-list@matronics
.com Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 8:52 PMSubject: Re: Lightning-List: Ha
vasu..Maybe this one's for you, Gary!
In a message dated 2/28/2009 7:29:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, penning
ton@q.com writes:I have read reports from other builders that they achie
ve 170 mph from their planes. I don't know how they managed it. I wish I
knew. Maybe it is at full throttle.)Gary, The 170 TAS that I often g
et on a long cross country is certainly not at full throttle. I am norm
ally up at 10,000' or sometimes even higher, depending on winds and weat
her. The cross county technique that I use is to set the fuel flow that
I want and then accept the rpm and the true airspeed that it gives me.
After my level off, I normally set 6 gallons per hour and, with the pro
p I have been using - a 64ZK55, that will usually give the something aro
und 165 to 172 mph true airspeed when at altitudes of 10 to 12 thousand
feet. Of course rpm varies a little but is normally around 3050 to 3100
. Note my CHTs, EGTs and oil temps are all well within the green at thi
s setting. In fact, all are green right on up through WOT. Now a f
ew other thoughts. As far as comparing airspeeds with various props, rp
m, fuel flows, etc. It is always better to have at least one common poi
nt. Nick and I most always use 5,000' when doing speed comparisons. Th
e main reason for picking 5,000' is that you normally have smooth air wh
en that high (even in the summer) and of course you want smooth air so
you can trim the airplane up and let the engine run for a while at whate
ver rpm you are using so things settle down. (I often use auto pilot wit
h altitude hold on.) Another thing we normally do is to use 5,000 densi
ty altitude (as either determined by your EFIS or by you if you know OAT
and pressure altitude). Of course, most of us have the Grand Rapids EF
IS so we always know the exact density altitude, and by always using the
same density altitude for the speed runs you always have good numbers t
hat are already compensated for when you make runs on different days, ev
en summer to winter. Now having said that, the 64ZK55 that I have u
sed for about two years is really not enough prop for my airplane. I sa
y that because at 5,000 I can over speed the engine when at WOT. So pul
ling the prop back to 3300 gives me about 183 to 185 mph true. Some oth
er rpm numbers to compare at 5000: 2650 gives 136 to 137, 2850 gives 15
0 to 151, and 3050 gives about 170. I have been recently doing some
new prop test with a 62FK60. With this prop at 5,000 density altitude,
WOT only allows my engine to turn up 3200 rpm but that speed is 184 to
185. 2650 gives 145, 2850 gives 160, and 3050 gives 175. Again, all nu
mbers are at 5,000' density altitude and are in miles per hour true airs
peed. The down side to this prop, if I keep it, is that I may need to c
hange the jetting in the carb as the engine burns more fuel with it. Th
e fuel differences are not very large at the lower rpm but steadily incr
ease as rpm goes up such that at above 2950 to 3000 it is about a gallon
more and continues increasing.as you get closer to WOT. One other
thing to remember, the above performance numbers are with my highly modi
fied Esqual with lots of clean up mods. Your Lightning, if built light
and straight with good clean up mods, should actually do slightly better
, as the prototype Lightning is about 2 to 3 mph faster than 31BZ when N
ick an I fly them in close formation with the same props and same rpm.
But as they say, your mileage may vary.Hope this helps.Buz
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Subject: | Re: Lake Havasu Flight |
Gary, I was also speaking of the 1" fuel hose that was hooked to the
sediment bowl/filter. The filter attached to the pump. The filter/bowl is
about
the size of a liter jar. The pump is the type used on larger agricultural
fuel tanks.
I dont know if he uses a ground wire, but he should. It wont take much
friction of a cloth on the wing to build up a static charge. That is a good
point.
Doug
In a message dated 3/2/2009 4:04:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
pennington@q.com writes:
Hello Doug
No, the hose I use is 1" ID rubber fuel hose. The same hose used at gas
stations. As I noted before, the filter is a canister type fuel filter. Looks
like a large oil filter. It may also interest you to know that I installed a
ground wire to be used when fueling.
Gary
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Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lake Havasu Flight
In a message dated 3/1/2009 9:03:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
_pennington@q.com_ (mailto:pennington@q.com) writes:
Now, it is important to note that I carry a 55 gallon plastic barrel in the
back of my truck for fuel. I installed a hand crank pump and 30' fuel hose
with a really good filter attached. The filter is a canister type that
separates water if there is any.
I hope it is the METAL canister type.
A resident of Green Landings had a clear plastic filter on his fuel hose
that had a replaceable element. Tho it had given some years of service, when
ethanol came along with the Amoco fuel, the plastic got soft and then cracked
open. Since it was hooked to an electrically driven pump, there was a
period of drama with gasoline being sprayed about the hangar.
My opinion is that careful thought and observation should be given to the
components of a fuel system these days, particularly since ethanol can bring a
variety of problems. I think hoses, filters and the fuel itself should be
carefully inspected frequently.
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Subject: | Re: Lake Havasu Flight |
Gary
Where do you buy Mogas with out Alcohol? In Maricopa county we have alc
ohol in all gas.
Wayne
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->Hello Doug No, the hose I use is 1" ID rubber fuel hose. The same hose
used at gas stations. As I noted before, the filter is a canister type
fuel filter. Looks like a large oil filter. It may also interest you to
know that I installed a ground wire to be used when fueling. Gary----- O
riginal Message ----- From: Kayberg@aol.com To: lightning-list@matronics
.com Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 6:13 AMSubject: Re: Lightning-List: La
ke Havasu Flight
In a message dated 3/1/2009 9:03:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, penningt
on@q.com writes:Now, it is important to note that I carry a 55 gallon pl
astic barrel in the back of my truck for fuel. I installed a hand crank
pump and 30' fuel hose with a really good filter attached. The filter is
a canister type that separates water if there is any.I hope it is the M
ETAL canister type. A resident of Green Landings had a clear plastic fil
ter on his fuel hose that had a replaceable element. Tho it had given
some years of service, when ethanol came along with the Amoco fuel, the
plastic got soft and then cracked open. Since it was hooked to an elect
rically driven pump, there was a period of drama with gasoline being sp
rayed about the hangar. My opinion is that careful thought and observati
on should be given to the components of a fuel system these days, partic
ularly since ethanol can bring a variety of problems. I think hoses,
filters and the fuel itself should be carefully inspected frequently.
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In a message dated 3/2/2009 7:19:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
waynelenox@juno.com writes:
Buz has a Different engine that produces more power and a different wing.
Good point, Wayne, I do have one of the old solid lifter engines. However,
remember the latest hydraulic lifter engines have the new cam profile that
should get the power/rpms back. Also, I think the Lightning wing with the
extended tips is a slightly faster wing than I am using.
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Buz
I do not see the speeds you have. I think Gary and My Lightning will fl
y side by side in Cruse.
Wayne
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ox@juno.com writes:Buz has a Different engine that produces more power a
nd a different wing.Good point, Wayne, I do have one of the old solid li
fter engines. However, remember the latest hydraulic lifter engines hav
e the new cam profile that should get the power/rpms back. Also, I thin
k the Lightning wing with the extended tips is a slightly faster wing th
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In a message dated 3/2/2009 8:49:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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In a message dated 3/2/2009 8:49:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
waynelenox@juno.com writes:
I do not see the speeds you have.
These latest speeds are with the 62FK60 prop and more than likely you have a
63FK58 prop.
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In a message dated 3/2/2009 10:23:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
N1BZRich@aol.com writes:
more than likely you have a 63FK58 prop.
Typo - meant to type 62FK58. A 62 diameter, not 63.
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Subject: | Re: Lake Havasu Flight |
Wayne Lenox wrote:
>
> Gary
> Where do you buy Mogas with out Alcohol? In Maricopa county we have alcohol
in all gas.
> Wayne
>
> -
Are you SURE ????
Just because the pump is labeled for Ethanol, it does not mean its in there. The
wording is that it MAY contain ethanol. Make a test jar, very cheap and easy,
and start testing different brands. Even though all pumps here are also labeled
with the ethanol sticker, I have been using BP Premium in my Rotax 912-S
and it has never tested positive for ethanol yet. Most of the bigger brands
have ethanol in their gas, but the rumor is that some of the brands that are
not " Top Tier " don't have to put it in. Test away !!! Good Luck,
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