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1. 05:13 AM - Re: Strut Material (Phillips, Jack)
2. 05:22 AM - Re: Spam Can Speeds (Phillips, Jack)
3. 05:51 AM - Re: Piet struts (Phillips, Jack)
4. 05:57 AM - D & S Dimension Wood (Robert Gow)
5. 06:05 AM - Re: Piet struts (Robert Gow)
6. 06:15 AM - flying the Hudson River in a '29 biplane (Oscar Zuniga)
7. 06:59 AM - Re: Strut Material (Rick Holland)
8. 07:08 AM - Tailwheel cables (Rick Holland)
9. 07:22 AM - Re: Strut Material (Phillips, Jack)
10. 08:16 AM - Re: Tailwheel cables (Hans Vander Voort)
11. 08:37 AM - Re: Piet struts (Hans Vander Voort)
12. 10:55 AM - Re: Piet struts (Rick Holland)
13. 11:14 AM - Re: Tailwheel cables (Rick Holland)
14. 11:25 AM - D & D dimension wood. (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
15. 11:33 AM - Re: Strut Material (Rick Holland)
16. 11:43 AM - Re: D & D dimension wood. (Jeff Boatright)
17. 05:01 PM - The Pietenpol Story (Glenn Thomas)
18. 05:57 PM - Re: D & S Dimension Wood (Skip-Cinda Gadd)
19. 06:04 PM - Re: D & S Dimension Wood (Robert Gow)
20. 06:50 PM - Re: Spam Can Speeds (Rcaprd@aol.com)
21. 07:12 PM - Re: Flippers slightly down when straight & level (Pietsrneat@aol.com)
22. 07:31 PM - Re: The Pietenpol Story (Rcaprd@aol.com)
23. 07:43 PM - Re: D & S Dimension Wood (Skip-Cinda Gadd)
24. 08:03 PM - Chet Peek's new Pietenpol book (Oscar Zuniga)
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Rick,
I've got a slight complication on shipping your struts. Currently my
pickup truck is occupied - it is sitting in my garage with a complete
Lycoming O-540 in a crate, filling up its bed. I'll need to get a few
friends with strong backs and weak minds to help me move the Lycoming
down to my basement workshop before I can use the truck to haul your
struts to work to ship them to you. Are you in a hurry to get them, or
can you wait an extra week? If you're in a hurry (if the lack of strut
material is holding up your project) I can close up the crate around the
O-540 and drive it to work with your struts beside it, but if you don't
need them right away I'd rather not drive the truck until I can get the
Lycoming out of it.
The Lycoming is for the RV-10 I'm building (excuse me, I'm
"assembling"). What a different world from building a Pietenpol! Not
as much fun (all the fun work is done by the factory, leaving the
tedious drudgery to the "assembler"). I've got as much money in that
engine as I had in my entire Pietenpol project. But it will be a nice
travelling airplane, which the Piet (as much as I love it) is not.
Flew the Pietenpol to a fly-in Saturday. As usual, it drew a crowd,
being far and away the most unusual airplane there. A little chilly,
flying in 45 degree weather, but the plane sure enjoyed the denser air.
Let me know if you need the struts immediately - otherwise it will
probably be next week before I can ship them. No problem, though if you
need me to ship them tomorrow. Just means I'll parade a crated Lycoming
around a bit.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
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Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steve Beasley
Jack,
This is like a gift from the Pietenpol Gods. My measurements from the
fuselage strut fitting bolt hole to the spar fitting hole is 7' 11". So
with the forks and fittings sticking out of each end I will need
something under eight feet. So eight feet is fine and I won't need the
cut offs. So each of these struts has a threaded barrel welded to one
end for the forks? Send me your address and the shipping costs and I
will get a check in the mail for $50 plus shipping plus the cost of a
case of Guinness so you can get yourself some 'Aviator Red' or whatever,
I don't think I have seen that stuff out here in Colorado.
Thank you very much,
Rick
at7000ft@gmail.com
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On 10/13/06, Phillips, Jack <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com> wrote:
OK Rick - they're yours. I'll try to get them cut and prepared for
shipping this weekend, and get them shipped out to you on Monday.
Guinness, huh? I prefer Newcastle, or some of that "Aviator Red" that
Rob Busch brought to Brodhead last year. I'll get my fill of Guinness
from Chuck Gantzer anyway - he's bet me a Guinness that his Wittman
Tailwind will be faster than my RV-4 with the same engine. This assumes
he gets the Tailwind flying before I sell the RV-4.
I'll cut off the bottom ends of the struts (that's where the rust will
be, that caused the AD that made all these J-3 struts available), and
will include the clevis forks with the struts (if they are still in
place - I think they are. Those forks new from AS&S atre $87.50 each).
If you want me to send the cutoff ends I will, but they'll have to be
bagged in a plastic bag - they're full of grease and oil in a vain
attempt to keep them from rusting.
Are you SURE that 8' will be enough? It was for mine, but everybody's
is different.
I'll go ahead and ship the struts as soon as I get them prepared. I'll
assume you'll be good for the money, and that way I can let you know
what the shipping cost is.
Jack Phillips
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Holland
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steve Beasley
Jack
Jack, I will take them. And yes they can be cut down to 8 foot lengths
for UPS shipment. Will send you separte email with shipping info. And
please let me send you a case of good Guinness or something just for
going to all the trouble.
Rick
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On 10/13/06, Phillips, Jack < Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com
<mailto:Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com> > wrote:
If anyone is interested, I have 4 old J-3 rear lift struts taking up
space and leaking oil on the floor in my basement. I used front struts
off two J-3's for my Piet. Rears are a little smaller but are much less
trouble than the front struts (the front struts had the fairleads for
the aileron cables which had to be removed and ground down). $50 plus
shipping and they are yours. Shipping will have to be by truck if they
are full length, or I can cut them down to 8' to be shipped by UPS. Be
sure 8' will be enough for your installation before you tell me to cut
them.
I've been planning to put them on ebay, but want to offer them to the
Piet family first.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Looking forward to tomorrow - beautiful October weather and two fly-ins
to go to in my Pietenpol
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Holland
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steve Beasley
That's funny Leon, I also finished my second wing right after
Broadhead/Osh. Maybe it was that little tailgate party at Broadhead that
got up all pumped up. And I am right where you are with the flying strut
thing. I have been thinking about this since I started the project:
"Just go into any hanger anywhere and you will find old Cub struts in
great shape" - NOT!
"Just get aluminum struts, only $50 each" - but you better have an
engineer design the end fittings, wrong aluminum alloy and your dead, if
you use steel you have dissimilar metal corrosion issues plus steel
bolts in soft aluminum will wear the aluminum with time, plus aluminum
fatigues with age and steel does not.
"Just use round 4130 tubing" - but I will lose at least one mph cruise
speed and my Piet will look like an ultralight, and you guys will laugh
at me if I ever make it to Broadhead.
"Alright, just bite the bullet and buy NEW 4130 streamline" - but that
will cost a fortune!
Round and round I go. So I called Dillsberg the other day and 2.3 by 1.0
streamline will cost me $27/ft. (for 8 foot lengths) and AS came in at
$21.76 believe it or not, Wicks is about the same.
By the way, I stopped at the Zenith booth at Oshkosh and looked at the
struts on the 701 which is nearly identical gross weight. Looking at the
plans I noticed the 4 round 4130 struts on it are 1 1/4" .035! Making
.049 4130 streamline struts about two to four times that needed for
utility class.
Rick
On 10/10/06, Leon Stefan < lshutks@webtv.net <mailto:lshutks@webtv.net>
> wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
HI, the other Mike C. and Chuck: Steve Beasley had written several
notes in the old Buckeye newsletter (before Grant). I met him once at
the EAA meeting at Ellsworth, then again at a function at Wiebie"s
airport at Halsted. At that time he had a Model B engine and not much
more. This was a few years ago. Maybe he is doing something now. Yah
Chuck I've noticed the good fall flying weather. In fact I just hang my
head and cry when I think that I should be up there. I still have the
directions to your hangar. I'll get there one day. I promise. After
Brodhead and Osh. I got my ass in gear and built my right (2nd) wing.
I don't know if Brodhead inspired me or if I just realised I needed to
get with it. I worked most weekends and an hour or so each day from
early Aug. until a week ago when It is 98% done. I hope to get a couple
of good weekend days with no rain so I can stick the wings on, string
the cables and measure for the struts before it gets too cold to work on
it. EAA ch 88 is at Webies-Halsted this mo. I am going to be there
around noon after I get a little shut eye. Maybe you two could get over
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My little "spam can" just got a little faster, Chuck. I just did the
condition inspection on it and removed the old Loran antenna that the
previous owner had installed, along with its heavy cable. That antenna
must have produced a lot of drag, because my cruise speed went up about
5 mph. Now at 1,000' MSL, I indicate about 180 mph. At 7500' it is
truing out at a little over 190. That is at gross weight. With me in
it alone it is a little faster.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Jack Phillips
Pietenpol NX899JP
RV-4 N18LR
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Rcaprd@aol.com
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steve Beasley
In a message dated 10/13/2006 2:47:22 PM Central Standard Time,
Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com writes:
I'll get my fill of Guinness from Chuck Gantzer anyway - he's
bet me a Guinness that his Wittman Tailwind will be faster than my RV-4
with the same engine. This assumes he gets the Tailwind flying before I
sell the RV-4.
Well, Jack, I've been hard after building on the Tailwind all
summer...to the point of forfeiting some fine flying weather to work on
the W10. I've got some 'Top Secret Go Fast' ideas that will be used.
I just hope you keep that spam can a few more years !! :)
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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Neither are Stearmans, which also have aluminum interplane struts
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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Dawson
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 1:49 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet struts
There's still working DC-3's out there. I seem to remember
they are made of Aluminum, aren't they? 8^)
Dehaviland Beavers, Seriously overloaded workhorses
that they are, aren't falling out of the sky either.
Clif
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| Subject: | D & S Dimension Wood |
Has anyone used this gentleman's products?
http://home.frognet.net/~rdstephe/
Any advice on using these parts. I've decided on the short fuselage, Ford
powered, wire wheel version. There never was any question really.
Modifications:
3 Piece wing,
Price's side entry door for which I will need to find plans.
Bob
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I guess the thing is that all those applications were specifically designed
for the loads in their application. I remember an evaluation of the metal
struts that someone did (on this list?) demonstrating an extremely low
margin of safety in negative G ( 1.05 or so). This analysis was in support
of jury struts, the main struts were crippling, at least on paper. Do we
have a mechanical engineer on the list who could develop an analysis to
compare the struts?
Bob
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Jack
Sent: October 16, 2006 8:49 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet struts
Neither are Stearmans, which also have aluminum interplane struts
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 1:49 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet struts
There's still working DC-3's out there. I seem to remember
they are made of Aluminum, aren't they? 8^)
Dehaviland Beavers, Seriously overloaded workhorses
that they are, aren't falling out of the sky either.
Clif
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| Subject: | flying the Hudson River in a '29 biplane |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Here's the link to the video, so you can keep it for when they don't let us
do it anymore (may not be as far away as you think, after the "temporary"
flight restrictions of last week)...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IJdnRX7FLs&NR
And those videos of smokin' runs in Piets will probably get valuable over
time as well, shortly after some idiot flies a Pawnee over a Superbowl crowd
with a hopper full of agent orange or something...
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Strut Material |
Jack
Waiting a week is no problem. I have plenty of other things to keep me
occupied, like building and test running my Corvair engine (not to mention
building the motor mount for it).
Was thinking last night while working on my tail control cables and adding
new items to my list of things I needed to order from Wicks, (and
referencing the Bengelis books occasionally) how different it would be to b
e
building a kit aircraft like an RV. Every last nut, bolt, thimble, etc. is
specified and included, no welding, grinding, bending, maybe not even hole
drilling, just driving those thousands of rivets.
A wow, a 540, quite a step up from a C-65. My mind is weak enough to help
you with that but my back is 2000 miles away, good luck getting it unloaded
and mounted.
Rick
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On 10/16/06, Phillips, Jack <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com> wrote:
>
> Rick,
>
>
> I've got a slight complication on shipping your struts. Currently my
> pickup truck is occupied ' it is sitting in my garage with a complete
> Lycoming O-540 in a crate, filling up its bed. I'll need to get a few
> friends with strong backs and weak minds to help me move the Lycoming dow
n
> to my basement workshop before I can use the truck to haul your struts to
> work to ship them to you. Are you in a hurry to get them, or can you wai
t
> an extra week? If you're in a hurry (if the lack of strut material is
> holding up your project) I can close up the crate around the O-540 and dr
ive
> it to work with your struts beside it, but if you don't need them right a
way
> I'd rather not drive the truck until I can get the Lycoming out of it.
>
>
> The Lycoming is for the RV-10 I'm building (excuse me, I'm "assembling").
> What a different world from building a Pietenpol! Not as much fun (all
the
> fun work is done by the factory, leaving the tedious drudgery to the
> "assembler"). I've got as much money in that engine as I had in my entir
e
> Pietenpol project. But it will be a nice travelling airplane, which the
> Piet (as much as I love it) is not.
>
>
> Flew the Pietenpol to a fly-in Saturday. As usual, it drew a crowd, bein
g
> far and away the most unusual airplane there. A little chilly, flying in
45
> degree weather, but the plane sure enjoyed the denser air.
>
>
> Let me know if you need the struts immediately ' otherwise it will
> probably be next week before I can ship them. No problem, though if you
> need me to ship them tomorrow. Just means I'll parade a crated Lycoming
> around a bit.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Holland
> *Sent:* Friday, October 13, 2006 5:51 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Steve Beasley
>
>
> Jack,
>
> This is like a gift from the Pietenpol Gods. My measurements from the
> fuselage strut fitting bolt hole to the spar fitting hole is 7' 11". So w
ith
> the forks and fittings sticking out of each end I will need something und
er
> eight feet. So eight feet is fine and I won't need the cut offs. So each
of
> these struts has a threaded barrel welded to one end for the forks? Send
me
> your address and the shipping costs and I will get a check in the mail fo
r
> $50 plus shipping plus the cost of a case of Guinness so you can get
> yourself some 'Aviator Red' or whatever, I don't think I have seen that
> stuff out here in Colorado.
>
> Thank you very much,
>
> Rick
> at7000ft@gmail.com
>
> do not archive
>
> On 10/13/06, *Phillips, Jack* <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com> wrote:
>
> OK Rick ' they're yours. I'll try to get them cut and prepared for
> shipping this weekend, and get them shipped out to you on Monday. Guinne
ss,
> huh? I prefer Newcastle, or some of that "Aviator Red" that Rob Busch
> brought to Brodhead last year. I'll get my fill of Guinness from Chuck
> Gantzer anyway ' he's bet me a Guinness that his Wittman Tailwind will
be
> faster than my RV-4 with the same engine. This assumes he gets the Tailw
ind
> flying before I sell the RV-4.
>
>
> I'll cut off the bottom ends of the struts (that's where the rust will be
,
> that caused the AD that made all these J-3 struts available), and will
> include the clevis forks with the struts (if they are still in place '
I
> think they are. Those forks new from AS&S atre $87.50 each). If you wan
t
> me to send the cutoff ends I will, but they'll have to be bagged in a
> plastic bag ' they're full of grease and oil in a vain attempt to keep
them
> from rusting.
>
>
> Are you SURE that 8' will be enough? It was for mine, but everybody's is
> different.
>
>
> I'll go ahead and ship the struts as soon as I get them prepared. I'll
> assume you'll be good for the money, and that way I can let you know what
> the shipping cost is.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Holland
> *Sent:* Friday, October 13, 2006 3:21 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Steve Beasley
>
>
> Jack
>
> Jack, I will take them. And yes they can be cut down to 8 foot lengths fo
r
> UPS shipment. Will send you separte email with shipping info. And please
> let me send you a case of good Guinness or something just for going to al
l
> the trouble.
>
> Rick
>
> do not archive
>
> On 10/13/06, *Phillips, Jack* < Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com> wrote:
>
> If anyone is interested, I have 4 old J-3 *rear* lift struts taking up
> space and leaking oil on the floor in my basement. I used front struts o
ff
> two J-3's for my Piet. Rears are a little smaller but are much less trou
ble
> than the front struts (the front struts had the fairleads for the aileron
> cables which had to be removed and ground down). $50 plus shipping and t
hey
> are yours. Shipping will have to be by truck if they are full length, or
I
> can cut them down to 8' to be shipped by UPS. Be sure 8' will be enough
for
> your installation before you tell me to cut them.
>
>
> I've been planning to put them on ebay, but want to offer them to the Pie
t
> family first.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
>
> Looking forward to tomorrow ' beautiful October weather and two fly-ins
to
> go to in my Pietenpol
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Holland
> *Sent:* Friday, October 13, 2006 2:31 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Steve Beasley
>
>
> That's funny Leon, I also finished my second wing right after
> Broadhead/Osh. Maybe it was that little tailgate party at Broadhead that
got
> up all pumped up. And I am right where you are with the flying strut thin
g.
> I have been thinking about this since I started the project:
>
> "Just go into any hanger anywhere and you will find old Cub struts in
> great shape" - NOT!
>
> "Just get aluminum struts, only $50 each" - but you better have an
> engineer design the end fittings, wrong aluminum alloy and your dead, if
you
> use steel you have dissimilar metal corrosion issues plus steel bolts in
> soft aluminum will wear the aluminum with time, plus aluminum fatigues wi
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> "Just use round 4130 tubing" - but I will lose at least one mph cruise
> speed and my Piet will look like an ultralight, and you guys will laugh a
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>
> "Alright, just bite the bullet and buy NEW 4130 streamline" - but that
> will cost a fortune!
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> Round and round I go. So I called Dillsberg the other day and 2.3 by 1.0s
treamline will cost me $27/ft. (for 8 foot lengths) and AS came in at
> $21.76 believe it or not, Wicks is about the same.
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> By the way, I stopped at the Zenith booth at Oshkosh and looked at the
> struts on the 701 which is nearly identical gross weight. Looking at the
> plans I noticed the 4 round 4130 struts on it are 1 1/4" .035! Making .04
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> Rick
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> the cables and measure for the struts before it gets too cold to work on
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| Subject: | Tailwheel cables |
Question about hooking up the control cables to my Matco tailwheel (with
compression type connector springs). Do you setup the cables to apply a bit
of constant tension on the springs? I am assuming no turnbuckle is used on
these cables also.
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The RV kit is pretty complete, with all hardware necessary. There is
some fabrication work required (generally trimming a little bit off some
of the parts using a bandsaw) but every single part has to be deburred,
and after clecoing the assembly together all holes have to be
match-drilled, then the parts are un-cleco'd, and all the holes have to
be deburred (both sides) and most of them have to be dimpled or machine
countersunk, then the whole thing gets cleco'd back together and
riveted. Dull, mostly mindless work. All the fun stuff (like what kind
of material to use for struts) has been done for you at the factory,
leaving you to do the 51% of the work that is dull and boring.
Any trained monkey could build an RV, but a Pietenpol requires a real
aviation mechanic.
BTW, last Monday I was in Oregon and vsited both the Van's Aircraft
Factory and the Lancair factory. Lancair building is about as far
removed from building an RV as an RV project is from building a
Pietenpol. A Lancair Legacy (280 mph cruise) can be built in about 500
hours, using the Lancair Builder Assistance program, where you use their
factory jigs and factory workers to build "your" project. The Lancair
kit looks like it was made by Revell, with whole pieces of the airplane
already molded to shape and just needing to be glued together. A whole
different world of "homebuilding". A little pricier too - a Legacy kit
with all the components sells for a shade over $155,000, or over 10X
what I have invested in my Pietenpol. And it still only carries two
people, with much less class.
If any trained monkey could build an RV, then a Lancair can be built by
a one-armed monkey straight out of the jungle - as long as he's not
sensitive to breathing fiberglass dust.
Jack Phillips, PE
Sr. Manager, Disposables Product Development
Clinical Technologies and Services
Cardinal Health
Creedmoor, NC
(919) 528-5212
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Holland
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Strut Material
Jack
Waiting a week is no problem. I have plenty of other things to keep me
occupied, like building and test running my Corvair engine (not to
mention building the motor mount for it).
Was thinking last night while working on my tail control cables and
adding new items to my list of things I needed to order from Wicks, (and
referencing the Bengelis books occasionally) how different it would be
to be building a kit aircraft like an RV. Every last nut, bolt, thimble,
etc. is specified and included, no welding, grinding, bending, maybe not
even hole drilling, just driving those thousands of rivets.
A wow, a 540, quite a step up from a C-65. My mind is weak enough to
help you with that but my back is 2000 miles away, good luck getting it
unloaded and mounted.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hans Vander Voort <hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com>
Rick,
I have setup my Matco tailwheel (with compression type connector springs)
with a little slack when not loaded.
Basically you want the wheel to swivel easily, when not loaded.
When the rear seat is occupied the leaf spring bending removes the slack
and there is tension on the springs and the wheel is controllable by the
rudder
I did not use any turn buckles.
Hans
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Question about hooking up the control cables to my Matco tailwheel (with
compression type connector springs). Do you setup the cables to apply a
bit of constant tension on the springs? I am assuming no turnbuckle is used
on these cables also.
Thanks
Rick
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hans Vander Voort <hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com>
Bob,
I did evaluate the Skytec struts on strength and even bought a set, but
never flew with them.
The tensile strength data available from both the supplier and other
sources where so in consistent that I did not feel comfortable with them.
The struts are one of the most important load bearing items on the airplane
and is easily an area where you be penny wise and a pound...
In the end I used the expensive steel streamlined steel tubing.
Both the aluminum and the steel streamline tubing should have jury struts,
neither one are rigid enough.
When placing the jury struts do not place them in the center of the main
strut, set them 4-6 inches off-center, this to avoid harmonic vibration
Hans
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I guess the thing is that all those applications were specifically designed
for the loads in their application. I remember an evaluation of the metal
struts that someone did (on this list?) demonstrating an extremely low
margin of safety in negative G ( 1.05 or so). This analysis was in support
of jury struts, the main struts were crippling, at least on paper. Do we
have a mechanical engineer on the list who could develop an analysis to
compare the struts?
Bob
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Sent: October 16, 2006 8:49 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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Neither are Stearmans, which also have aluminum interplane struts
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 1:49 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet struts
There's still working DC-3's out there. I seem to remember
they are made of Aluminum, aren't they? 8^)
Dehaviland Beavers, Seriously overloaded workhorses
that they are, aren't falling out of the sky either.
Clif
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I am sure that aluminum struts will work fine. They are used on most all
ultralights and some kit homebuilts of equal and greater gross weight than a
Piet (Carlson sells kits that use them). But I have to fly this thing and
when I hit some bad turbulence I know that I would be thinking about those
aluminum struts and how I should have gone for the steel. So I am going with
steel also (thanks to Jack).
Rick
On 10/16/06, Hans Vander Voort <hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com> wrote:
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> Bob,
>
> I did evaluate the Skytec struts on strength and even bought a set, but
> never flew with them.
> The tensile strength data available from both the supplier and other
> sources where so in consistent that I did not feel comfortable with them.
> The struts are one of the most important load bearing items on the
> airplane
> and is easily an area where you be penny wise and a pound...
>
> In the end I used the expensive steel streamlined steel tubing.
>
> Both the aluminum and the steel streamline tubing should have jury struts,
> neither one are rigid enough.
> When placing the jury struts do not place them in the center of the main
> strut, set them 4-6 inches off-center, this to avoid harmonic vibration
>
> Hans
>
>
> "Robert Gow"
> <rgow@avionicsdes
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> Sent by: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
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> ist-server@matron
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> RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet struts
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> 10/16/2006 08:03
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> tronics.com
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> I guess the thing is that all those applications were specifically
> designed
> for the loads in their application. I remember an evaluation of the metal
> struts that someone did (on this list?) demonstrating an extremely low
> margin of safety in negative G ( 1.05 or so). This analysis was in
> support
> of jury struts, the main struts were crippling, at least on paper. Do we
> have a mechanical engineer on the list who could develop an analysis to
> compare the struts?
>
> Bob
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> Phillips, Jack
> Sent: October 16, 2006 8:49 AM
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> Neither are Stearmans, which also have aluminum interplane struts
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
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> There's still working DC-3's out there. I seem to remember
> they are made of Aluminum, aren't they? 8^)
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> Dehaviland Beavers, Seriously overloaded workhorses
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel cables |
Thank you Hans, very good point, I never considered the extra tension that
will occur when I sit in the thing. Now I know why the springs came with
those stamped metal chains that allow simple adjustments.
Rick
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> Rick,
>
> I have setup my Matco tailwheel (with compression type connector springs)
> with a little slack when not loaded.
> Basically you want the wheel to swivel easily, when not loaded.
> When the rear seat is occupied the leaf spring bending removes the slack
> and there is tension on the springs and the wheel is controllable by the
> rudder
> I did not use any turn buckles.
>
> Hans
>
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> "Rick Holland"
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> 10/16/2006 09:08
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> tronics.com
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> Question about hooking up the control cables to my Matco tailwheel (with
> compression type connector springs). Do you setup the cables to apply a
> bit of constant tension on the springs? I am assuming no turnbuckle is
> used
> on these cables also.
>
> Thanks
>
> Rick
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
I I know nothing about this man. I bought a complete wood package from
Western Ac supplies ( not sure they are still in business )for what this
man sells the wood kit for the fus. alone. ($1600)( although that was
back in 98) If you bought a complete wood kit from him and then build
everything yourself you could save a small fortune. And you can't
believe the convenience of having every stick of wood already there when
you need it. Leon S. Ks.
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On 10/16/06, Phillips, Jack <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com> wrote:
>
> The RV kit is pretty complete, with all hardware necessary. There is
> some fabrication work required (generally trimming a little bit off some
of
> the parts using a bandsaw) but every single part has to be deburred, and
> after clecoing the assembly together all holes have to be match-drilled,
> then the parts are un-cleco'd, and all the holes have to be deburred (bot
h
> sides) and most of them have to be dimpled or machine countersunk, then t
he
> whole thing gets cleco'd back together and riveted. Dull, mostly mindles
s
> work. All the fun stuff (like what kind of material to use for struts) h
as
> been done for you at the factory, leaving you to do the 51% of the work t
hat
> is dull and boring.
>
Interesting, so only HALF the holes are predrilled, better than no holes
predrilled like they used to be. Wonder how long it would take to train a
monkey to use a deburring tool? Bet you could hire one for way below minimu
m
wage (maybe half a dozen bananas/hr.)
Any trained monkey could build an RV, but a Pietenpol requires a real
> aviation mechanic.
>
Or an aerodynamically challenged computer geek in my case.
BTW, last Monday I was in Oregon and vsited both the Van's Aircraft Factory
> and the Lancair factory. Lancair building is about as far removed from
> building an RV as an RV project is from building a Pietenpol. A Lancair
> Legacy (280 mph cruise) can be built in about 500 hours, using the Lancai
r
> Builder Assistance program, where you use their factory jigs and factory
> workers to build "your" project. The Lancair kit looks like it was made
by
> Revell, with whole pieces of the airplane already molded to shape and jus
t
> needing to be glued together. A whole different world of "homebuilding".
A
> little pricier too ' a Legacy kit with all the components sells for a s
hade
> over $155,000, or over 10X what I have invested in my Pietenpol. And it
> still only carries two people, with much less class.
>
Wow, 10x cost and only 4x faster than a Piet. Pietenpols still have the bes
t
mph/dollar ratio.
Rick
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> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Holland
> *Sent:* Monday, October 16, 2006 9:59 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Strut Material
>
>
> Jack
>
> Waiting a week is no problem. I have plenty of other things to keep me
> occupied, like building and test running my Corvair engine (not to mentio
n
> building the motor mount for it).
>
> Was thinking last night while working on my tail control cables and addin
g
> new items to my list of things I needed to order from Wicks, (and
> referencing the Bengelis books occasionally) how different it would be to
be
> building a kit aircraft like an RV. Every last nut, bolt, thimble, etc. i
s
> specified and included, no welding, grinding, bending, maybe not even hol
e
> drilling, just driving those thousands of rivets.
>
> A wow, a 540, quite a step up from a C-65. My mind is weak enough to help
> you with that but my back is 2000 miles away, good luck getting it unload
ed
> and mounted.
>
> Rick
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: D & D dimension wood. |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
Note that D&S are selling "assemblies". I assumed that at those
prices that D&S was selling assembled ribs, tail feathers, etc. At a
minimum I would expect that they were cutting all the pieces exactly
such that it'd be a matter of gluing them together once they arrive.
If this is not the case, then what's the point of spending all that
money on what would just be raw stock?
At 1:24 PM -0500 10/16/06, Leon Stefan wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
>
>I I know nothing about this man. I bought a complete wood package from
>Western Ac supplies ( not sure they are still in business )for what this
>man sells the wood kit for the fus. alone. ($1600)( although that was
>back in 98) If you bought a complete wood kit from him and then build
>everything yourself you could save a small fortune. And you can't
>believe the convenience of having every stick of wood already there when
>you need it. Leon S. Ks.
>
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Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD
Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA
Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis
mailto:jboatri@emory.edu
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| Subject: | The Pietenpol Story |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
Just got my copy of Chet Peek's book an hour or so ago. After reading a couple
of chapters and thumbing through the rest I felt a real connection to the past.
I like to believe I'm tracing through my aviation forefathers' footsteps with
this project and this book takes you right there.
Thanks for putting this excellent document together for us Chet!
--------
Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=68321#68321
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| Subject: | D & S Dimension Wood |
Hi Bob,
I have not used Dave's products. I have seen his Piet project. He took his uncovered
fuselage to Brodhead 2005, some on the list may remember it there. Dave
is a very conciseness builder. He is selling assemblies not just dimension lumber.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Gow
Sent: 10/16/2006 9:06:21 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: D & S Dimension Wood
Has anyone used this gentleman's products?
http://home.frognet.net/~rdstephe/
Bob
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| Subject: | D & S Dimension Wood |
Thanks. Frankly his costs probably do not reflect his real time, or let's
say my real time. I've sent him an email. It would not be as satisfying as
doing the whole thing yourself but more realistic form.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Skip-Cinda
Gadd
Sent: October 16, 2006 8:57 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: D & S Dimension Wood
Hi Bob,
I have not used Dave's products. I have seen his Piet project. He took his
uncovered fuselage to Brodhead 2005, some on the list may remember it there.
Dave is a very conciseness builder. He is selling assemblies not just
dimension lumber.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Gow
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: 10/16/2006 9:06:21 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: D & S Dimension Wood
Has anyone used this gentleman's products?
http://home.frognet.net/~rdstephe/
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Spam Can Speeds |
In a message dated 10/16/2006 7:29:29 AM Central Standard Time,
Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com writes:
My little =9Cspam can=9D just got a little faster, Chuck. I jus
t did the
condition inspection on it and removed the old Loran antenna that the previo
us owner
had installed, along with its heavy cable. That antenna must have produced
a
lot of drag, because my cruise speed went up about 5 mph. Now at 1,000
=99 MSL,
I indicate about 180 mph. At 7500=99 it is truing out at a little ove
r 190.
That is at gross weight. With me in it alone it is a little faster.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Jack Phillips
Pietenpol NX899JP
RV-4 N18LR
Oh boy, Jack...that's pretty good !! Gonna be a close race. I might have t
o
secretly tie a small drag chute to your tailwheel. Those whip antenna's do
produce more drag than you would think...so does gaps in the doors, cowling
&
control surfaces. I'm putting all my antennas inside, and paying very clos
e
attention to gaps. Next summer I'll be spending a chunk o' money on the 'Gl
ass
Panel', which is a little bit lighter than the ol' Steam gauges.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Re: Flippers slightly down when straight & level |
>From Page 3 of the first BPA newsletter of July 1983:
"You may have noticed some pictures of Pietenpols flying with the
elevator hanging downward a bit and you may have heard all sorts of reasons for
it
being so, including that it is tail heavy and you've got to try to compensate.
Forrest Lovely, a name familiar to most Pietenpol fans, who has owned a
number of them and who has been flying them since he was sixteen, kindly gave
us
a good explanation of the condition which we will share with you. He says the
elevators should hang down. With the plane rigged so that the stick is
neutral for a particular pilot weight the elevator should hang down 1/2" to 3/4".
Since the stabilizer is fixed this means that the tail is carrying some of
the load and providing lift. So there you have it. Keep in mind the C.G. of the
Air Camper should be a maximum of 20" behind the leading edge of the wing.
That's 33%."
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| Subject: | Re: The Pietenpol Story |
In a message dated 10/16/2006 7:02:55 PM Central Standard Time,
glennthomas@flyingwood.com writes:
Just got my copy of Chet Peek's book an hour or so ago. After reading a
couple of chapters and thumbing through the rest I felt a real connection to the
past. I like to believe I'm tracing through my aviation forefathers' footsteps
with this project and this book takes you right there.
Thanks for putting this excellent document together for us Chet!
--------
Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
I just got my copy, and felt the same thing. I'm looking forward to reading
this book a couple of times.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | D & S Dimension Wood |
Bob, You probably got the idea, but I meant Dave is a conscientious builder. Spell
check doesn't help when your misspelled word is the correct spelling for some
other word. ;)
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Skip-Cinda Gadd
Sent: 10/16/2006 9:00:50 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: D & S Dimension Wood
Hi Bob,
I have not used Dave's products. I have seen his Piet project. He took his uncovered
fuselage to Brodhead 2005, some on the list may remember it there. Dave
is a very conciseness builder. He is selling assemblies not just dimension lumber.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Gow
Sent: 10/16/2006 9:06:21 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: D & S Dimension Wood
Has anyone used this gentleman's products?
http://home.frognet.net/~rdstephe/
Bob
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| Subject: | Chet Peek's new Pietenpol book |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Chet Peek's new book, "The Pietenpol Story", features a photograph credited
to Grace Ellen Wynne of the Corvair powered "Last Original" Pietenpol, built
by Bernard Pietenpol, on the cover.
The book is available from Chet Peek; I just got my (autographed) copy and
have not yet read it but it will make for good winter reading by the fire.
You folks in Florida and San Diego- don't try to figure out what a fireplace
is because you'll never need one. We barely even use ours here in south
Texas.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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