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0. 12:13 AM - [Please Read] What are "The Lists" and Who's This Matt Dralle? (Matt Dralle)
1. 04:10 AM - Re: Rib Location (Ed G.)
2. 06:13 AM - Re: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? (Steve Singleton)
3. 06:42 AM - Re: Rib Location (Richard Schreiber)
4. 09:06 AM - meeting Jim Markle (Oscar Zuniga)
5. 09:15 AM - Re: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? (Patrick Panzera)
6. 09:30 AM - Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? (jimd)
7. 10:04 AM - Re: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? (Patrick Panzera)
8. 11:21 AM - Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? (jimd)
9. 11:53 AM - Re: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? (Gordon Bowen)
10. 12:59 PM - Re: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? (Jack T. Textor)
11. 01:14 PM - Re: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? (walt evans)
12. 01:23 PM - Re: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? (HelsperSew@aol.com)
13. 01:37 PM - Re: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? (Phillips, Jack)
14. 01:43 PM - Re: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? (Dave Abramson)
15. 01:44 PM - Re: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? (Terry Williams)
16. 03:46 PM - Taildragger Instruction (Tim Verthein)
17. 03:58 PM - Re: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? (Brian Kraut)
18. 04:02 PM - Re: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? (Max Hegler)
19. 04:47 PM - Emailing: airplane 011 (Gene & Tammy)
20. 05:10 PM - Re: Taildragger Instruction (Terry Williams)
21. 05:18 PM - Vi Kaplers hinges (carson)
22. 05:55 PM - Re: Vi Kaplers hinges (Richard Schreiber)
23. 06:41 PM - Re: meeting Jim Markle (Dick Navratil)
24. 06:51 PM - Re: Taildragger Instruction (gcardinal)
25. 06:52 PM - Re: Emailing: airplane 011 (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
26. 07:18 PM - Re: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? (Roman Bukolt)
27. 08:01 PM - Re: Props (Rcaprd@aol.com)
28. 08:28 PM - Re: Rib Location (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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| Subject: | [Please Read] What are "The Lists" and Who's This Matt |
Dralle?
Dear Listers,
Who is Matt Dralle and what exactly are these Lists? Well, I've been working in
the information technology industry for nearly 25 years primarily in computer
networking design and implementation. I have also done extensive work in web
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from around the world. Since that time, I have added 63 other kinds of aircraft
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as the Forums, Wiki, Archives and Search Engine just to name a few.
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Hi Rick...I don't know what everyone else is doing but I ended up figureing
this out the hard way. I had to move the 7th rib outboard just enough to
clear the strut fitting, about 1/2", and then relieved the rib upright just
enough to let the fitting slide through the slot, my ribs have the 1" spar
slots and I have 3/4" spars so the plywood reinforceing was not a problem
for me. Then I had to reposition all the other ribs so that I didn't have
one odd spaced rib. It ended up being pretty time consuming figuring it all
out and getting everything repositioned. I referenced the Britt's wing
drawings before doing all this and couldn't figure out why they had moved
the strut fitting outboard by 3". Well, I do now, By doing so the fitting
falls between the ribs. I wanted to build as close to the plans as I could
so I didn't want to make the struts longer than plans but it's probably a
good idea to do so. Hope this helps and I will be interested to hear how
others on the list dealt with this. Ed G. W. Coast Fl.
>From: "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge@earthlink.net>
>To: "pietenpol-list" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib Location
>Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:17:10 -0600
>
>I'm starting my wings for my winter project and I had a question about the
>rib locations. The supplemantal plans show the Flying Strut Fittings longer
>than the 1934 plans so that the fittings will be in line with the wing
>struts. My calculations show that the 7th rib in form the wigtip will have
>the rib upright right over the fitting and its plywood base. What has
>everyone done about this? Move the rib outboard to clear the fitting? Cut
>the rib vertical and the gussets to clear the fitting?
>
>I getting ready to cut and weld the fittings and I sure don't want to do
>this twice.
>
>Thanks,
>Rick Schreiber
>Valparaiso, IN
>
>Richard Schreiber
>lmforge@earthlink.net
>Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
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| Subject: | Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? |
When our daughter decided she wanted to fly we found an ag pilot that had a
good reputation and he worked out just great. My landlord at the airport is
one also and let me tell you these guys are good. not the cracy daredevil
typs that hollywood portrays. Steve S.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 8:57 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them?
> <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
>
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Hi Ed:
I drafted the layout of the spar, struts and ribs in autocad and came up
with the same problem you ran into. The inboard edge of the 7th rib is only
1/2" from the center bolt on the flying strut fittings. If you make the
fittings line up with the struts, that puts the rib vertical directly over
the fitting and its 1/8" plywood backers.
I have a 3/4" spar also, but my ribs have a 3/4" rib slot. If I relieve the
upright I would have nothing left. What I thought I could do is on the two
ribs in question, remove the uprights and just relocate them to fit over
the spar, the plywood and the fitting. I could then do as you suggested
move the rib a little outboard and/or the attachment of the strut inboard
1/2" or so to allow for clearance of the bolt and the compression struts. I
don't want to move the rib too far outboard, as moving the rib decreases
the length of the ailerons. Moving the strut inboard may compromise the
strength of the wing, though I assume others have done this without a
problem.
I was just wondering what everyone else has done with this and was
surprised to not see anything about it on the list, unless I just couldn't
find it.
Thanks,
Rick Schreiber
In chilly NW Indiana
> [Original Message]
> From: Ed G. <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 11/27/2007 6:14:18 AM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rib Location
>
>
>
> Hi Rick...I don't know what everyone else is doing but I ended up
figureing
> this out the hard way. I had to move the 7th rib outboard just enough to
> clear the strut fitting, about 1/2", and then relieved the rib upright
just
> enough to let the fitting slide through the slot, my ribs have the 1"
spar
> slots and I have 3/4" spars so the plywood reinforceing was not a problem
> for me. Then I had to reposition all the other ribs so that I didn't have
> one odd spaced rib. It ended up being pretty time consuming figuring it
all
> out and getting everything repositioned. I referenced the Britt's wing
> drawings before doing all this and couldn't figure out why they had moved
> the strut fitting outboard by 3". Well, I do now, By doing so the fitting
> falls between the ribs. I wanted to build as close to the plans as I
could
> so I didn't want to make the struts longer than plans but it's probably a
> good idea to do so. Hope this helps and I will be interested to hear how
> others on the list dealt with this. Ed G. W. Coast Fl.
>
>
> >From: "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge@earthlink.net>
> >To: "pietenpol-list" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib Location
> >Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:17:10 -0600
> >
> >I'm starting my wings for my winter project and I had a question about
the
> >rib locations. The supplemantal plans show the Flying Strut Fittings
longer
> >than the 1934 plans so that the fittings will be in line with the wing
> >struts. My calculations show that the 7th rib in form the wigtip will
have
> >the rib upright right over the fitting and its plywood base. What has
> >everyone done about this? Move the rib outboard to clear the fitting?
Cut
> >the rib vertical and the gussets to clear the fitting?
> >
> >I getting ready to cut and weld the fittings and I sure don't want to do
> >this twice.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Rick Schreiber
> >Valparaiso, IN
> >
> >Richard Schreiber
> >lmforge@earthlink.net
> >Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
>
>
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| Subject: | meeting Jim Markle |
Pietenpoler Jim Markle was in San Antonio on business for a couple of days
and we were able to get together and talk Pietenpols last night after work.
I was expecting somebody younger, thinner, and with better personal groom
ing habits but Jim picked up the tab for the beer so I was willing to overl
ook those faults ;o)
Seriously, Jim is a perfect example of why this list and the airplane we lo
ve are so good. He is enthusiastic, down-home, honest, and a family man wi
th just enough of the free spirit to keep things interesting. He is making
progress on his airplane and when we talked about Brodhead 2008 he thought
there might be a glimmer of hope that he'll be done by then. And for the
record, Jim is a very trim and presentable guy, for a country boy who spend
s his weekends tending to tractors and chickens ;o)
Jim: thanks for the beer and the visit!
do not archiveOscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags@hotmail.comwebsi
te at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? |
> Its been quite a while since I was current flying, but.. I remember
> renting an Aeronca Champ wet for $12 an hour. Instructors were about $10.
> Had a frat brother that would instruct for $7... Now a $100 an hour is
> supposed to be good? I am 45, that was not that incredibly long ago.
It sounds as if it was 20-30 years ago anyhow, and with that, "entry level"
homes (in California) were $19-23k; mogas was 35-69 a gallon; minimum wage
was at or below $2 per hour, bread was 19 a loaf, eggs were 69 a dozen and
houses (or apartments) usually rented for $100 per bedroom; the VW beetle
was $1,995 and a Pinto was at $2,395.
About that time the gliderport where I worked (as a teenaged lineboy) just
bought three new Bellanca Scouts for $29K each (more than my parent's new
home). The Airknocker they rented out cost one of the owners $2500.
Prices go up. When adjusted for inflation, $100 per hour, wet, with an
instructor IS indeed a deal. That's "only" four times what we paid " not
that incredibly long ago", where as everything else we buy daily is at or
over 4x what it was back then.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? |
Yes it was 20-30 yrs ago.
New Oldsmobiles were just over $3000, gas was 50 cents a gallon.
They had terminal control areas, not lettered classes of airspace.
Wanted to fly again, as I enjoyed it in my youth, took my first lessons when I
was 12. This is all making me feel old.
Have found some leads on local CFI's with planes. Given insurance, and all the
other high cost things we have now, $100 an hour will probably be a good price.
(But I don't have to like it.)
Jim [Wink]
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148880#148880
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| Subject: | Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? |
This might help.
It's WAY easier for you to come up with the $100 per hour now than it was to
come up with the $25 per hour back then.
I had to give up flying (as you did) when I joined the Navy (1977) as at
$250 per month income, $25 per hour was impossible. I had a car payment,
insurance, and I shared a studio apartment in San Diego, so there was little
left for recreation. THEN I had to go and get a girlfriend, who I married,
then made babies with who grew up to cost me things like food clothes,
mortgage, cars, college, etc. So for me (as with you) I had to wait a long
time for $100 per hour to become cheap enough to finish my lessons.
Pat
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jimd
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 9:30 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them?
>
>
> Yes it was 20-30 yrs ago.
>
> New Oldsmobiles were just over $3000, gas was 50 cents a gallon.
>
> They had terminal control areas, not lettered classes of airspace.
>
> Wanted to fly again, as I enjoyed it in my youth, took my first lessons
> when I was 12. This is all making me feel old.
>
> Have found some leads on local CFI's with planes. Given insurance, and all
> the other high cost things we have now, $100 an hour will probably be a
> good price. (But I don't have to like it.)
>
> Jim [Wink]
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148880#148880
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? |
You have a point.
Well, hope we don't look back on prices now and say, gee it was so cheap to fly
back then.
I barely had the money to cover gas for the J-3 then, and now I am able to get
a plane and have enough to finish it up. Live indoors still, so I should buck
up and pay the $100 or so an hour.
Think once I am in the air again I won't care.
Jim
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148901#148901
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| Subject: | Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? |
Jim,
I was in the same boat as you after working on building planes for 7 years
without flying much, except as passenger. Tried some hit and miss flying
C-172's, etc., during the building periods but found, it's kind of like
riding a bike, you get back in the groove very fast and the instructor is
kinda bored with just touch and goes. Final analysis, set back 1500 bucks
and commit it to a flying program with one particular instructor and plane.
Bite the bullet and give yourself a month of nothing but dedicated flying a
couple hrs per week before you try flying your homebuilt. In my opinion,
it's even best to keep the instructor in the plane all the hrs, have him/her
have you really really sharpen your skills for 10-15 hrs. A taildragger,
with instructor is gonna cost 125/150/hr wet. Go to AZ or FL for little
vacation, fly for 2 weeks or a month solid. You'll feel a heck of a lot
more confident when the time comes to be a test pilot. When those test
wheels leave the ground the first time, there's no better feeling than
knowing (flat-out knowing) you can handle any kind of emergency that may
come up.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: "jimd" <jlducey@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:20 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them?
>
> You have a point.
>
> Well, hope we don't look back on prices now and say, gee it was so cheap
> to fly back then.
>
> I barely had the money to cover gas for the J-3 then, and now I am able to
> get a plane and have enough to finish it up. Live indoors still, so I
> should buck up and pay the $100 or so an hour.
>
> Think once I am in the air again I won't care.
>
> Jim
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148901#148901
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? |
I learned in a Cessna 140. There were 4 of us in the club, myself, a
radio man, A&P and instructor. It cost $400 to join and we charged
ourselves $5 per hour WET. Those were the days for me.
Jack Textor
www.textors.com
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| Subject: | Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? |
My Sad Story :^)
Started in Jan of '66. Was making $1.25 an hour at Sears, and managed to
get a ticket in 11 months. The Cessna 172 was nine dollars, something an
hour wet,,,and the 150 was seven something an hour wet.
It's all relitive,,,if you enjoy it, go for it.
PS Oh Yeah had to walk to school,,uphill,,,both ways.
walt evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Panzera" <Panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 1:03 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them?
> <Panzera@Experimental-Aviation.com>
>
> This might help.
>
> It's WAY easier for you to come up with the $100 per hour now than it was
> to
> come up with the $25 per hour back then.
>
> I had to give up flying (as you did) when I joined the Navy (1977) as at
> $250 per month income, $25 per hour was impossible. I had a car payment,
> insurance, and I shared a studio apartment in San Diego, so there was
> little
> left for recreation. THEN I had to go and get a girlfriend, who I married,
> then made babies with who grew up to cost me things like food clothes,
> mortgage, cars, college, etc. So for me (as with you) I had to wait a long
> time for $100 per hour to become cheap enough to finish my lessons.
>
> Pat
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
>> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jimd
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 9:30 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them?
>>
>>
>> Yes it was 20-30 yrs ago.
>>
>> New Oldsmobiles were just over $3000, gas was 50 cents a gallon.
>>
>> They had terminal control areas, not lettered classes of airspace.
>>
>> Wanted to fly again, as I enjoyed it in my youth, took my first lessons
>> when I was 12. This is all making me feel old.
>>
>> Have found some leads on local CFI's with planes. Given insurance, and
>> all
>> the other high cost things we have now, $100 an hour will probably be a
>> good price. (But I don't have to like it.)
>>
>> Jim [Wink]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148880#148880
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? |
Here's my story:
Back in 1971 I worked in a pizza joint every Friday and Saturday night for 8
hours making $1.50/hr . Just made enough to buy 1 hour of dual on Sunday.
This was back in 1971. Dual was $25.00/hr in an American AA-1 Yankee. All the
other boys at the restaurant thought I was nuts to waste my money on that.
They were all saving for a car. I used to tell them that I would live in my
airplane.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? |
With all these tales about how cheap flying was "back in the day" we
need to think about what a dollar today meant back in 1970 (which
happens to be when I got my license). Back then, a J-3 Cub on our field
rented for $5 an hour, wet (80 octane cost 48 cents a gallon) and a
BRAND NEW Cherokee 140 was $18 an hour (wet). But what would we have
thought then about paying a dollar for a bottle of water?
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
HelsperSew@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find
them?
Here's my story:
Back in 1971 I worked in a pizza joint every Friday and Saturday night
for 8 hours making $1.50/hr . Just made enough to buy 1 hour of dual on
Sunday. This was back in 1971. Dual was $25.00/hr in an American AA-1
Yankee. All the other boys at the restaurant thought I was nuts to waste
my money on that. They were all saving for a car. I used to tell them
that I would live in my airplane.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? |
I bought a Cessna 140 about 4 months ago to learn to fly in while building.
My buddy is a Fed-Ex pilot, and just loves to fly... He flys with me
whenever I want, and I pay for everything.
I figure when I start with the CFI to get my ticket it will all go a lot
faster.
Or, maybe I will have to un-learn some bad habits! Which will take
longer!!!!!
Dave
N140MW
& NX000DA under construction 2 years last weekend!
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of walt evans
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them?
My Sad Story :^)
Started in Jan of '66. Was making $1.25 an hour at Sears, and managed to
get a ticket in 11 months. The Cessna 172 was nine dollars, something an
hour wet,,,and the 150 was seven something an hour wet.
It's all relitive,,,if you enjoy it, go for it.
PS Oh Yeah had to walk to school,,uphill,,,both ways.
walt evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Panzera" <Panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 1:03 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them?
> <Panzera@Experimental-Aviation.com>
>
> This might help.
>
> It's WAY easier for you to come up with the $100 per hour now than it was
> to
> come up with the $25 per hour back then.
>
> I had to give up flying (as you did) when I joined the Navy (1977) as at
> $250 per month income, $25 per hour was impossible. I had a car payment,
> insurance, and I shared a studio apartment in San Diego, so there was
> little
> left for recreation. THEN I had to go and get a girlfriend, who I married,
> then made babies with who grew up to cost me things like food clothes,
> mortgage, cars, college, etc. So for me (as with you) I had to wait a long
> time for $100 per hour to become cheap enough to finish my lessons.
>
> Pat
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
>> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jimd
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 9:30 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them?
>>
>>
>> Yes it was 20-30 yrs ago.
>>
>> New Oldsmobiles were just over $3000, gas was 50 cents a gallon.
>>
>> They had terminal control areas, not lettered classes of airspace.
>>
>> Wanted to fly again, as I enjoyed it in my youth, took my first lessons
>> when I was 12. This is all making me feel old.
>>
>> Have found some leads on local CFI's with planes. Given insurance, and
>> all
>> the other high cost things we have now, $100 an hour will probably be a
>> good price. (But I don't have to like it.)
>>
>> Jim [Wink]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148880#148880
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? |
I think this is good advice. Committing to the process is probably
the best way to go.
We have flight schools in the San Francisco Bay Area that teach in
the taildraggers that they rent. Here in Livermore, CA we have Red
Sky Aviation (http://www.redskyaviation.com/) that teaches in LSA
compatible aircraft. They teach in Champs for about $110/hr wet.
There is also Attitude Aviation (http://www.attitudeaviation.com/). A
bit more expensive, but they have lots of planes (Cub included). They
both can teach other training situations that you might need
(uncontrolled/controlled airspace; radar advisories; paved/unpaved
airstrips; unusual attitudes; etc.). You just need to find a place to
stay. There are plenty of discount hotels near Livermore. Both
schools tell me that you should be able to get your endorsement in no
longer than 3 days (BFR included). But, make it a vacation. Your
wife might even enjoy it. ;)
Come to the Bay Area for 2 weeks. You can't find much more beauty
from the air than here.
(GG Bridge at ~1900' - SF Bay Tour via NORCAL Tracon [San Jose>San
Fran>Oakland>San Jose] circa 2000; NORCAL has a standard procedure
for the VFR Bay Tour. This is still being flown today)
tw
On Nov 27, 2007, at 11:52 AM, Gordon Bowen wrote:
> <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
>
> Jim,
> I was in the same boat as you after working on building planes for
> 7 years without flying much, except as passenger. Tried some hit
> and miss flying C-172's, etc., during the building periods but
> found, it's kind of like riding a bike, you get back in the groove
> very fast and the instructor is kinda bored with just touch and
> goes. Final analysis, set back 1500 bucks and commit it to a
> flying program with one particular instructor and plane. Bite the
> bullet and give yourself a month of nothing but dedicated flying a
> couple hrs per week before you try flying your homebuilt. In my
> opinion, it's even best to keep the instructor in the plane all the
> hrs, have him/her have you really really sharpen your skills for
> 10-15 hrs. A taildragger, with instructor is gonna cost 125/150/hr
> wet. Go to AZ or FL for little vacation, fly for 2 weeks or a
> month solid. You'll feel a heck of a lot more confident when the
> time comes to be a test pilot. When those test wheels leave the
> ground the first time, there's no better feeling than knowing (flat-
> out knowing) you can handle any kind of emergency that may come up.
> Gordon
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimd" <jlducey@hotmail.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:20 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find
> them?
>
>
>>
>> You have a point.
>>
>> Well, hope we don't look back on prices now and say, gee it was so
>> cheap to fly back then.
>>
>> I barely had the money to cover gas for the J-3 then, and now I am
>> able to get a plane and have enough to finish it up. Live indoors
>> still, so I should buck up and pay the $100 or so an hour.
>>
>> Think once I am in the air again I won't care.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148901#148901
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Taildragger Instruction |
Well, they're probably not the cheapest place around but if a
beautiful, historic and friendly airport might be what you're looking
for, with LSA, taildragger, and glider instruction, check these folks
out. fun website to poke around too. Went to their fathers day fly-in
last summer, tookk my dad and mom (dad's 78) and had a blast. this is
where I hope to get my LSA license next year. Only took about a hundred
or so pictures there on fathers day....can't believe I didn't post a
gallery someplace! There's a Piet on the field, too. Can't remember off
hand whose..but I believe they're on the list.
http://www.stantonairfield.com/index.html
Tim in Bovey
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| Subject: | Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? |
When I started in about 1982 you could rent a 152 for $32 an hour. In 1988
when I finished my license it was $35 an hour. In a matter of just a couple
of years it went up past $50 and quickly got to $75 or more. What happened
around 1990 that made the price go up so much faster than it had for so many
years I have no idea but there was a definite spike around that time that
has not seemed to let up yet. It has certainly outpaced inflation for the
past 15 or more years.
I had hoped that the LSAs would bring things down to a reasonable level, but
that has not happened. Now you still pay a lot for one, it is just newer.
I make more than my father did, but I would not be able to let my son start
flight training at 13 years old like my father did if I did not own my own
planes. It is a real shame. Flying changed my life and I have given Young
Eagles rides to kids and seen the same spark in their eyes as I had at their
age. It is very unfortunate that for many of them that the spark will die
because they don't have the money.
Keep this in mind the next time you have the opportunity to help a kid fly
and be proud that you are bringing lower cost planes into the world.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
HelsperSew@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 4:23 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find
them?
Here's my story:
Back in 1971 I worked in a pizza joint every Friday and Saturday night for
8 hours making $1.50/hr . Just made enough to buy 1 hour of dual on Sunday.
This was back in 1971. Dual was $25.00/hr in an American AA-1 Yankee. All
the other boys at the restaurant thought I was nuts to waste my money on
that. They were all saving for a car. I used to tell them that I would live
in my airplane.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? |
Same thing I think today...waste of money. I almost always take a
reusable bottle from home. Fill it from the tap. Safest water in the
world. Bottled water has almost no mandated quality control process.
Take Care,
Max
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 3:34 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find
them?
With all these tales about how cheap flying was "back in the day" we
need to think about what a dollar today meant back in 1970 (which
happens to be when I got my license). Back then, a J-3 Cub on our field
rented for $5 an hour, wet (80 octane cost 48 cents a gallon) and a
BRAND NEW Cherokee 140 was $18 an hour (wet). But what would we have
thought then about paying a dollar for a bottle of water?
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Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 4:23 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find
them?
Here's my story:
Back in 1971 I worked in a pizza joint every Friday and Saturday night
for 8 hours making $1.50/hr . Just made enough to buy 1 hour of dual on
Sunday. This was back in 1971. Dual was $25.00/hr in an American AA-1
Yankee. All the other boys at the restaurant thought I was nuts to waste
my money on that. They were all saving for a car. I used to tell them
that I would live in my airplane.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Emailing: airplane 011 |
Steve,
Managed to get some great flying in today and while I was at it I took
some photo's of my exhaust. Hope this gives you some idea of how they
look.
Gene in Tennessee
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| Subject: | Re: Taildragger Instruction |
I LOVE Stanton! I used to live in Farmington (that's where
Minneapolis Center is), just up the road from Airlake (KLVN) in
Lakeville, MN (hmm...now I live about 1 mile from KLVK - Livermore,
CA). My kids and I used to fly all around the area from Fleming Field
- KSGS (used to rent from the Lysdale's). Stanton was our favorite.
We would go to Stanton to get Cokes from their old machine. It's one
of the ones that where you have to pull the 10 oz. glass bottle out
of the hole. Then, go outside to watch the gliders come and go, and
watch the sky divers land on the "X." I always wanted to get my
tailwheel endorsement in their J-12. That would've been a kick. Never
did it though. I ended up "commuting" to the West Coast every week
and got my endorsement from Amelia Reid Aviation (http://
www.ameliareid.com/aircraft.php4). Then, we moved back to the Bay
Area. Anyway, I love Stanton. Interesting that they have a new LSA
airplane. All I remember was beautifully cared for, 30 and 40 year
old planes.
tw
On Nov 27, 2007, at 3:45 PM, Tim Verthein wrote:
> <minoxphotographer@yahoo.com>
>
> Well, they're probably not the cheapest place around but if a
> beautiful, historic and friendly airport might be what you're looking
> for, with LSA, taildragger, and glider instruction, check these folks
> out. fun website to poke around too. Went to their fathers day fly-in
> last summer, tookk my dad and mom (dad's 78) and had a blast. this is
> where I hope to get my LSA license next year. Only took about a
> hundred
> or so pictures there on fathers day....can't believe I didn't post a
> gallery someplace! There's a Piet on the field, too. Can't remember
> off
> hand whose..but I believe they're on the list.
>
> http://www.stantonairfield.com/index.html
>
> Tim in Bovey
>
>
> Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you
> with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/
> sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
>
>
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| Subject: | Vi Kaplers hinges |
Hi all
Just started the tail and I have a beautiful set of hinges from Vi but I can't
work out what bolts to order,the only countersunk hardware I can find are machine
screws and I am not sure if they are the right thing for the job.
Could someone that has used the Hinges give me an idea of what they used or if
anyone that is close to Vi ask him what he suggests to use?
Thanks
Carson
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| Subject: | Vi Kaplers hinges |
Carson,
The screws to use are MS24696 flat head phillips head screws with 100 degree bevels. On my piet I used stainless steel. Here is a link to Aircraft Spruces site where you can see the screws listed....http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/ms24694.php
Fot the initial assembly I just used regular flat head countersunk screws and then
replaced them with the aircraft screws on final assembly. Just be aware that
the hardware store countersunk screws have the wrong countersink bevel.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, Indiana
> [Original Message]
> From: carson <carsonvella@yahoo.com.au>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 11/27/2007 7:21:12 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vi Kaplers hinges
>
>
> Hi all
> Just started the tail and I have a beautiful set of hinges from Vi but I can't
work out what bolts to order,the only countersunk hardware I can find are machine
screws and I am not sure if they are the right thing for the job.
> Could someone that has used the Hinges give me an idea of what they used or if
anyone that is close to Vi ask him what he suggests to use?
>
> Thanks
> Carson
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148966#148966
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: meeting Jim Markle |
As a further testimony to Jim, if you run into him at Brodhead, he will
even loan you his truck.
What a guy
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Oscar Zuniga
To: Pietenpol List
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 11:05 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: meeting Jim Markle
Pietenpoler Jim Markle was in San Antonio on business for a couple of
days and we were able to get together and talk Pietenpols last night
after work. I was expecting somebody younger, thinner, and with better
personal grooming habits but Jim picked up the tab for the beer so I was
willing to overlook those faults ;o)
Seriously, Jim is a perfect example of why this list and the airplane
we love are so good. He is enthusiastic, down-home, honest, and a
family man with just enough of the free spirit to keep things
interesting. He is making progress on his airplane and when we talked
about Brodhead 2008 he thought there might be a glimmer of hope that
he'll be done by then. And for the record, Jim is a very trim and
presentable guy, for a country boy who spends his weekends tending to
tractors and chickens ;o)
Jim: thanks for the beer and the visit!
do not archive
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Taildragger Instruction |
Stanton is where Dale Johnson and I keep NX18235. The glider club on the
field is the largest in Minnesota and it is a busy place in the summertime.
Tailwheel instruction is available in a PA-11 or PA-12.
The old coke machine is still dispensing Cokes. The skydiving club has moved
on and their clubhouse is now the paint booth.
The grass runways at Stanton are some of the widest anywhere. Doing touch
and goes on a late June evening when the windsock is hanging limp is pure
bliss.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Williams" <7ecapilot@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Taildragger Instruction
> <7ecapilot@comcast.net>
>
> I LOVE Stanton! I used to live in Farmington (that's where Minneapolis
> Center is), just up the road from Airlake (KLVN) in Lakeville, MN
> (hmm...now I live about 1 mile from KLVK - Livermore, CA). My kids and I
> used to fly all around the area from Fleming Field - KSGS (used to rent
> from the Lysdale's). Stanton was our favorite. We would go to Stanton to
> get Cokes from their old machine. It's one of the ones that where you
> have to pull the 10 oz. glass bottle out of the hole. Then, go outside to
> watch the gliders come and go, and watch the sky divers land on the "X."
> I always wanted to get my tailwheel endorsement in their J-12. That
> would've been a kick. Never did it though. I ended up "commuting" to the
> West Coast every week and got my endorsement from Amelia Reid Aviation
> (http:// www.ameliareid.com/aircraft.php4). Then, we moved back to the Bay
> Area. Anyway, I love Stanton. Interesting that they have a new LSA
> airplane. All I remember was beautifully cared for, 30 and 40 year old
> planes.
>
> tw
>
>
> On Nov 27, 2007, at 3:45 PM, Tim Verthein wrote:
>
>> <minoxphotographer@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Well, they're probably not the cheapest place around but if a
>> beautiful, historic and friendly airport might be what you're looking
>> for, with LSA, taildragger, and glider instruction, check these folks
>> out. fun website to poke around too. Went to their fathers day fly-in
>> last summer, tookk my dad and mom (dad's 78) and had a blast. this is
>> where I hope to get my LSA license next year. Only took about a hundred
>> or so pictures there on fathers day....can't believe I didn't post a
>> gallery someplace! There's a Piet on the field, too. Can't remember off
>> hand whose..but I believe they're on the list.
>>
>> http://www.stantonairfield.com/index.html
>>
>> Tim in Bovey
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you
>> with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/
>> sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Emailing: airplane 011 |
So.....where was that cowling made? Looks real nice!
Ken H
Gene & Tammy <zharvey@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Steve,
Managed to get some great flying in today and while I was at it I took some photo's
of my exhaust. Hope this gives you some idea of how they look.
Gene in Tennessee
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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| Subject: | Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? |
Boy! I guess I was pretty lucky. I took my first lesson in Sept. 1996
at a small grass strip in Palmyra, Wi. Cessna 150 $30.00/hr. wet, tax
included, Instructor $ 15.00. Pay as you go. I could go out and fly
with my instructor for 20minutes if I wished.$15.00 cash.
After I got my ticket I could rent his Cessna 172 for $40.00/hr. wet,
tax included. That was $4.00 for every 6 minutes. Today, I believe the
150 is $40.00/hr wet and the Skyhawk is $55.00. Still pretty reasonable
compared to Madison or Middleton.
Roman Bukolt NX20795
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Kraut
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 5:57 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find
them?
When I started in about 1982 you could rent a 152 for $32 an hour. In
1988 when I finished my license it was $35 an hour. In a matter of just
a couple of years it went up past $50 and quickly got to $75 or more.
What happened around 1990 that made the price go up so much faster than
it had for so many years I have no idea but there was a definite spike
around that time that has not seemed to let up yet. It has certainly
outpaced inflation for the past 15 or more years.
I had hoped that the LSAs would bring things down to a reasonable
level, but that has not happened. Now you still pay a lot for one, it
is just newer. I make more than my father did, but I would not be able
to let my son start flight training at 13 years old like my father did
if I did not own my own planes. It is a real shame. Flying changed my
life and I have given Young Eagles rides to kids and seen the same spark
in their eyes as I had at their age. It is very unfortunate that for
many of them that the spark will die because they don't have the money.
Keep this in mind the next time you have the opportunity to help a kid
fly and be proud that you are bringing lower cost planes into the world.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
HelsperSew@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 4:23 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you
find them?
Here's my story:
Back in 1971 I worked in a pizza joint every Friday and Saturday
night for 8 hours making $1.50/hr . Just made enough to buy 1 hour of
dual on Sunday. This was back in 1971. Dual was $25.00/hr in an American
AA-1 Yankee. All the other boys at the restaurant thought I was nuts to
waste my money on that. They were all saving for a car. I used to tell
them that I would live in my airplane.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Mike,
I built the prop for my A65. It's a 72 X 42, that I have reworked two times,
in order to get the rated rpm for the Continental engine - 2300 rpm at full
power, level flight. I've got it there now, and I have over 300 hrs on this
prop.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Re: Rib Location |
Here are the notes that I made when I was building my wing, on how I would d
o
it a little differently:
Here is how I built my one piece wing:
I used T88 exclusively, and Ace Spar Varnish #16375. The most tedious part,
was applying 2 coats of the spar varnish, after ALL construction was 100%
complete, getting in every nook & cranny between the gussets, with a small p
aint
brush. I used the 'Single Wrap Spiral' method, as called out in the AC 43-1
3,
to saftey all the turnbuckles. I used torque seal (small squeeze tube of
thick laquer paint) on all hardware and fittings, so future inspections will
show
any movement. I used Stits Covering method, with 2.7oz on the wing&
fuselage, and 1.8oz on the ailerons and empenage.
The ribs will now be referred to as =98L1'- Left 1st rib. =98R
1' - Right 1st
rib. There are 14 ribs on each side. The center rib will be referred to a
s =98
C'.
Build new rib jig, so that the gussets and the upright =C2=BC x =C2=BD next
to the
spars, are spaced 28 1/16" to 28 1/8" apart. This should be the exact dime
ntion
between the spars, with the exception of the 3 center ribs, and the outboard
ribs where the struts attach. These locations have 1/8" plywood doublers o
n
each side of the spar.
Leave the gussets off in 2 locations. On the lower forward side of the
front spar, and on the aft upper side of the aft spar. Install these gusse
ts
after the ribs have been assembled to the spars. This will ensure a nice t
ight
fit.
Other gussets to be left off are on the ribs at the inboard aileron station.
On this rib, leave the outboard (trailing edge) gusset off, for the later
installation of the aileron blank plywood (1/16"). I did not cut the ailer
ons
free, untill ALL wing construction was 100% complete, including the aileron
spars, braces, hinges, horns, cables & pulleys, and drag / anti-drag cables
were
installed. After removing the aileron, I removed the fittings, so as to
apply varnish underneith, as I did with all fittings.
The center section of the wing, forward of the front spar, is designed so as
to allow the top of the radiator to be within the wing. Two 1/8" plywood L.
E.
ribs, are spaced evenly between, and paralell to, R1 and L1. These ribs
will accept the 1/16" plywood L.E. (on top), and the 1/32" plywood (within t
he
radiator cavity).
Hinges are numbered 1 thru 6, beginning on the left wing tip.
Lots of places on the wing needed to be drilled using Granpap's hand crank
drill (chordless !!), because of clearance reasons.
Cable guide blocks were numbered 1 thru 8, starting at the top left. I glue
d
1/4" plywood to the spar, then screwed the guide blocks to the plywood, so a
s
not to drill any extra holes in the spars.
Jury strut C/L is 37" outboard of C/L of cabane strut attachments. I
estimated the placement of the jury strut attachments by referring to the pi
cture of
the Pietenpol on the 1999 I A M Union Calender.
The 1/8" Plywood doublers, located at the center section and the lift strut
attachments, should have Spaded Ends (football shaped). These doublers brin
g
the width of the spar to the plans width of 1", and allow the plans dimentio
ns
to be used for all the fittings.
The ribs were weighted, without varnish, and the heaviest ones were installe
d
inboard, progressively installing the lighter ones toward the wingips. The
two inboard ribs are the only ones that are made out of Spruce, the rest of
the
ribs are made out of Western Cedar.
LEFT SIDE RIGHT SIDE
1.) 7.24 oz Spruce 1.) 7.4 oz Spruce
2.) 7.8 oz All other ribs are Cedar 2.) 7.96 oz All other ribs are Ced
ar
3.) 7.91 oz 3.) 7.93 oz
4.) 7.5 oz 4.) 7.91 oz
5.) 6.58 oz 5.) 6.56 oz
6.) 7.94 oz 6.) 6.34 oz
7.) 6.4 oz 7.) 6.44 oz
8.) 7.93 oz 8.) 6.4 oz
9.) 6.44 oz 9.) 6.3 oz
10.) 6.34 oz 10.) 6.25 oz
11.) 6.29 oz 11.) 6.2 oz
12.) 6.22 oz 12.) 6.17 oz
13.) 6.15 oz 13.) 6.14 oz
14.) 6.1 oz 14.) 6.09 oz
All ribs are identical. Build the rib jig to accept 3/4" spars, and so tha
t
the gussets and the upright =C2=BC x =C2=BD next to the spars, are spaced 28
1/16" to
28 1/8" apart. This should be the exact dimention between the spars, with
the
exception of the 3 center ribs, and the ribs where the lift struts attach.
These rib locations have 1/8" plywood doublers on front and aft sides of eac
h
spar, and will have to have 1" spar openings.
This step was for the Ford Model A Radiator - The center section of my wing
(forward of the front spar), is designed so as to allow the top of the radia
tor
tank to be within the wing, behind the leading edge. Two 1/8" plywood L.E.
ribs, are spaced evenly between, and paralell to, R1 and L1. These sub rib
s
will accept the 1/16" plywood L.E. (on top), and the 1/32" plywood (within t
he
radiator cavity). The radiator was custom made, to be the width between the
cabane struts, and I have forward view below the radiator.
Plans type, barn door hinges are numbered 1 thru 6, beginning on the left
wing tip. The aileron gap was sealed with a piece of 2" fabric tape, before
paint was applied. I also made sealed gap hinges on the empenage, but used
a
different method, due to the Vi Kapler hinges, that pivot at the center. I
have
pictures of this scanned in, if anyone is interested.
Lots of places on the wing needed to be drilled using Granpap's hand crank
drill (chordless !!), because of clearance reasons.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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