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1. 07:37 AM - Re: Inspections (H RULE)
2. 09:40 AM - Re: Inspections/ Hummel Bird (Michael Silvius)
3. 03:15 PM - Turnbuckle safety (Gary Boothe)
4. 04:21 PM - Re: Turnbuckle safety (Gene Rambo)
5. 04:40 PM - Re: Turnbuckle safety (skellytown flyer)
6. 05:07 PM - Re: Turnbuckle safety (Mandy & Michael Green)
7. 05:13 PM - Re: Re: Turnbuckle safety (Gary Boothe)
8. 05:20 PM - Re: Turnbuckle safety (Gary Boothe)
9. 05:20 PM - Re: Turnbuckle safety (Gary Boothe)
10. 05:52 PM - Re: Re: Turnbuckle safety (Gary Boothe)
11. 06:11 PM - Re: Re: Re: Turnbuckle safety (Jim)
12. 06:22 PM - Re: Re: Re: Turnbuckle safety (Gary Boothe)
13. 07:11 PM - Corvair engine... maybe 3 or 4! (Mark Roberts)
14. 07:46 PM - Re: Corvair engine... maybe 3 or 4! (shad bell)
15. 07:46 PM - Re: Corvair engine... maybe 3 or 4! (Michael Silvius)
16. 07:53 PM - Re: Turnbuckle safety (shad bell)
17. 08:09 PM - Re: Corvair engine... maybe 3 or 4! (Michael Silvius)
18. 08:10 PM - Invitation to view Mark's Picasa Web Album - My visit at The Groah's (Mark)
19. 09:11 PM - Re: Corvair engine... maybe 3 or 4! (Gary Boothe)
20. 09:19 PM - Re: Invitation to view Mark's Picasa Web Album - My visit at The Groah's (Gary Boothe)
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Up here in Ottawa I completed a GN-1 Aircamper and registered it as an ultr
alight which ment I didn't have to go through any of the processes you ment
ion below.I fly regular and have a lot of fun.Since I am registered as a ba
sic ultralight pilot I am not allowed to carry passengers so I have a batte
ry in the front seat for electric starts.The difference for me to register
as an ultralight instead of a homebuilt was thousands of dollars in savings
.I did however have an AME(aircraft maintenance engineer )look at the aircr
aft upon completion just for my own piece of mind but he was not required t
o sign off on anything and he is a good friend of mine so it really didn't
cost much.The first time I flew her was in 2006 and she flew as advertised.
Up here in Canada an ultralight can be as heavy as 1235 lbs. with floats.In
the US they are still at the 250 lbs. so you can't do this.They do however
have the Sport rating which reuires you to probably have to go
through much of what you ask.I also own an N3PUP which at the moment-I c
an't fly because the engine isn't powerful enough to get my 200 lbs. frame
off the ground-.I made the mistake of taking a 503 which was timed out, o
ff and replacing it with a 1/2 VW which is OK if your 150 lbs.I really need
an HKS or something of that power. The PUP weighs around 650 lbs. full up
and it too is registered as an ultralight.-Both are for sale since I am t
rying to get out of the hanger which cost $3000 per year.I'd like to eventu
ally get a-Hummel Bird with trailor then my costs would go way down.-
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2009 12:00:31 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Inspections=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-
List message posted by: "Ozarkflyer" <lragan@hotmail.com>=0A=0AWhen buildin
g an experimental, what inspections and logs are required and how extensive
should they be?- Should an completed experimental aircraft that has no l
ogs or inspections ever be purchased and what steps would have to be taken
to make it "legal"?=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://
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Subject: | Re: Inspections/ Hummel Bird |
Harvey:
Going a bit off topic here, but allong the Hummel thread....
Have you seen this one?
http://luciolemc30.blogspot.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Cfrih8v5bM
http://www.hiboox.fr/go/albums/divers/luciole-mc30-salon-de-l-aviation-ve
rte,cb400ceecaf72159a4cc87161cc54125
Michael in Maine
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. Both are for sale since I am trying to get out of the hanger which
cost $3000 per year.I'd like to eventually get a Hummel Bird with
trailor then my costs would go way down.
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Subject: | Turnbuckle safety |
Can anyone suggest a safety wire method for this turnbuckle?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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Subject: | Re: Turnbuckle safety |
what, you questioning about the end in the photo?? just run the wire
around the end and single wrap it. It does not have to go through the
hole with the pin to do it's job. Or am I missing the question??
Gene
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Subject: | Re: Turnbuckle safety |
I don't know whether you have room or it would be permissible,but maybe drill a
hole in the tab to run the wires through on that end and twist off-it obviously
can't turn the eye on that end.I would think if you cross wrap the two wires
from the middle hole to the tab and go through it and twist together it should
work? Raymond
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Subject: | Re: Turnbuckle safety |
Gary,
You could use turnbarrel clips. See picture.
Mike Green
Australia
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From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 10:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckle safety
Can anyone suggest a safety wire method for this turnbuckle?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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Subject: | Re: Turnbuckle safety |
Thanks, Gene...
Thanks, Raymond. I went out on the back porch, had a glass of ice water and
communed with nature for a few minutes, and came up with the exact
resolution you describe. I can now use the double wrap method.
For any who may not have followed, I probably purchased the wrong end. After
the pin went thru (which fits tightly), I had no place to run the safety
wire thru. As Raymond suggested, I drilled a small hole, big enough for the
safety wire, on the exposed part of the tab. Life is good.....
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of skellytown
flyer
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle safety
I don't know whether you have room or it would be permissible,but maybe
drill a hole in the tab to run the wires through on that end and twist
off-it obviously can't turn the eye on that end.I would think if you cross
wrap the two wires from the middle hole to the tab and go through it and
twist together it should work? Raymond
Read this topic online here:
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Subject: | Turnbuckle safety |
Thanks, Mike! Unfortunately, I did not buy the clip type of barrel (not sure
If the Pietenpol Police would allow it). ;-)
I'm too cheap to replace them, too. As a matter of fact, I seriously
considered some of the old-time alternatives to turnbuckles! Those things
are WAY TOO EXPENSIVE!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mandy &
Michael Green
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckle safety
Gary,
You could use turnbarrel clips. See picture.
Mike Green
Australia
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From: Gary Boothe <mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 10:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckle safety
Can anyone suggest a safety wire method for this turnbuckle?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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Subject: | Turnbuckle safety |
Gene,
Re-reading your reply.and I had considered that, too. You were not missing
anything. Anyway, I ended up drilling a hole..
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckle safety
what, you questioning about the end in the photo?? just run the wire around
the end and single wrap it. It does not have to go through the hole with
the pin to do it's job. Or am I missing the question??
Gene
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Subject: | Re: Turnbuckle safety |
I thought I should include a picture showing my fix...sorry for the
fuzziness, but the hole is the shiny part, just at the end of the turnbuckle
end.
I know, I know...if the Gestapo sees this I could lose my A&P cert. This fix
would not be a consideration if these were primary control cables.
Gary
Thanks, Gene...
Thanks, Raymond. I went out on the back porch, had a glass of ice water and
communed with nature for a few minutes, and came up with the exact
resolution you describe. I can now use the double wrap method.
For any who may not have followed, I probably purchased the wrong end. After
the pin went thru (which fits tightly), I had no place to run the safety
wire thru. As Raymond suggested, I drilled a small hole, big enough for the
safety wire, on the exposed part of the tab. Life is good.....
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of skellytown
flyer
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle safety
I don't know whether you have room or it would be permissible,but maybe
drill a hole in the tab to run the wires through on that end and twist
off-it obviously can't turn the eye on that end.I would think if you cross
wrap the two wires from the middle hole to the tab and go through it and
twist together it should work? Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249282#249282
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Subject: | Re: Turnbuckle safety |
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol builder with Corvair
Hey Gary,
Lets see a picture of the entire LG. It looks like you have it all painted, assembled
and ready to go down the runway, wow. You are really making progress.
Jim B.
do not archive
On Jun 20, 2009, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote:
I thought I should include a picture showing my fix...sorry for the
fuzziness, but the hole is the shiny part, just at the end of the turnbuckle
end.
I know, I know...if the Gestapo sees this I could lose my A&P cert. This fix
would not be a consideration if these were primary control cables.
Gary
Thanks, Gene...
Thanks, Raymond. I went out on the back porch, had a glass of ice water and
communed with nature for a few minutes, and came up with the exact
resolution you describe. I can now use the double wrap method.
For any who may not have followed, I probably purchased the wrong end. After
the pin went thru (which fits tightly), I had no place to run the safety
wire thru. As Raymond suggested, I drilled a small hole, big enough for the
safety wire, on the exposed part of the tab. Life is good.....
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of skellytown
flyer
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle safety
I don't know whether you have room or it would be permissible,but maybe
drill a hole in the tab to run the wires through on that end and twist
off-it obviously can't turn the eye on that end.I would think if you cross
wrap the two wires from the middle hole to the tab and go through it and
twist together it should work? Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249282#249282
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Subject: | Re: Turnbuckle safety |
Jim,
Thanks for asking! Tomorrow I will safety the turnbuckles, but I still have
work to do on the axle. It will be similar to Dan Helsper's (but not so
brightly painted).
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle safety
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol builder with Corvair
Hey Gary,
Lets see a picture of the entire LG. It looks like you have it all painted,
assembled and ready to go down the runway, wow. You are really making
progress.
Jim B.
do not archive
On Jun 20, 2009, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote:
I thought I should include a picture showing my fix...sorry for the
fuzziness, but the hole is the shiny part, just at the end of the turnbuckle
end.
I know, I know...if the Gestapo sees this I could lose my A&P cert. This fix
would not be a consideration if these were primary control cables.
Gary
Thanks, Gene...
Thanks, Raymond. I went out on the back porch, had a glass of ice water and
communed with nature for a few minutes, and came up with the exact
resolution you describe. I can now use the double wrap method.
For any who may not have followed, I probably purchased the wrong end. After
the pin went thru (which fits tightly), I had no place to run the safety
wire thru. As Raymond suggested, I drilled a small hole, big enough for the
safety wire, on the exposed part of the tab. Life is good.....
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of skellytown
flyer
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle safety
I don't know whether you have room or it would be permissible,but maybe
drill a hole in the tab to run the wires through on that end and twist
off-it obviously can't turn the eye on that end.I would think if you cross
wrap the two wires from the middle hole to the tab and go through it and
twist together it should work? Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249282#249282
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Subject: | Corvair engine... maybe 3 or 4! |
I need a quick Corvair lesson, as I rather unexpectedly fell into
several opportunities today. We have a local program on Saturday
Mornings called 'Radio Tradio' where you can call in and sell stuff
for a couple of hours. You can also request stuff you're looking for.
So, as I was on my way to the airport to fly a plane up to an airshow
for the afternoon to exhibit it for sale (for a friend of mine), I
called the number and actually got through.
I told the listeners i was a lookin' for a corvair core or motor,
vintage 1965 or so, but it had to be the 110 hp motor. Gave my phone
number, and thought, 'Yeah, right....'
Well, I got about 4 calls from that from people that had motors/parts
etc. One guy lives a bit away, and said 'I gotta full on motor been
sittin' in my barn from like, 1985 or so. It's yours if you want it. I
don't even think I'd charge ya...' He said it came off a 'spider',
and that was an unknown to me. I was in a rush to leave for the
airshow, so I didn't know what more to ask, and I thought I had better
make sure I am looking for the right stuff, as I have seen a few posts
that reference serial numbers and other markings that make it proper
for our purposes.
I have planned to buy Wynne's book, but I haven't yet had the chance
to tap that one yet before this, so any advice on the basics of what
to look for in a core/engine to rebuild (just the primer version so I
can get what is needed) would be helpful.
Thanks to all!
Mark
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Subject: | Re: Corvair engine... maybe 3 or 4! |
I am not positive, but I think the spyder was a 140hp engine, and I don't t
hink it is on the peferred list for an aircraft conversion, but I might be
wrong.- If I can find dad's wynne books I'll look it up.
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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Subject: | Re: Corvair engine... maybe 3 or 4! |
Mark:
If you can open up the top and look at the crank you are looking for the
8409 number on it. It means it is the later model long throw crank and the
case is the one that goes with it, (clearanced for longer throw). That is
half the battle. Anything with an 8409 crank is usefull, even if it is a
140/180 hp you can get the right 110 heads separetely later if needed. If it
is a 180 the crank is likely to be nitrided which is even more desireable
For more details print these pages from the links bellow and take them with
you when you go look at it.
case number ID
http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/CorvAIRCRAFT/VinSuffix.html
head number ID
desireable ones are highlited
http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/CorvAIRCRAFT/HeadNumbers.html
more
http://www.corvaircraft.com/
Michael in Maine
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From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
>
> I have planned to buy Wynne's book, but I haven't yet had the chance
> to tap that one yet before this, so any advice on the basics of what
> to look for in a core/engine to rebuild (just the primer version so I
> can get what is needed) would be helpful.
>
> Thanks to all!
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Subject: | Re: Turnbuckle safety |
Remember though, the turnbuckle saftey clips only work on MS turnbuckles, t
hey won't work on AN turnbuckles, There is no slot on the barrel or the for
k or eye ends to slide the clips on an AN turnbuckle.
-
Shad
In WI-I-I-I-INDY Ohio=0A=0A=0A
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Subject: | Re: Corvair engine... maybe 3 or 4! |
Mark:
Let me add to my previous note that ideally what you want is a 110 non-smog
engine. But anything with an 8409 crank will do especially if it is a
freebie.
No matter what you do, do not tear in to it until you get WW's manual so you
get the details on the particulars, and under no circumstance remove the
long head bolts from the case. These will be some degree of trouble as the
lower set are likely to exhibit some rust on the ends and the nuts will not
want to budge without turning the stud in the case.
good luck
Michael
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From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 9:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine... maybe 3 or 4!
>>
> I have planned to buy Wynne's book, but I haven't yet had the chance
> to tap that one yet before this, so any advice on the basics of what
> to look for in a core/engine to rebuild (just the primer version so I
> can get what is needed) would be helpful.
>
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Subject: | Invitation to view Mark's Picasa Web Album - My visit |
at The Groah's
Hi Guys:
I always find it interesting to see some of the people that we correspond
with on the list. Put's a face with a name. I happen to live an hour away
from one of the list members, and surprisingly have driven by their house
on many occasions, not knowing there was a plane being built in the shop,
or that there was such a nice guy living there. Well, so happens that by
asking iof there was anyone building a Piet near Fresno CA that I met a
couple of really nice guys yesterday. Have a look...
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/sredir?uname=RobertsChristmas2007&target=ALBUM&id=5349598279130209457&authkey=Gv1sRgCIPixMiX0oXd-AE&invite=CLSirvAM&feat=email
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Subject: | Corvair engine... maybe 3 or 4! |
Mark,
Further note...If he's 'giving' you the engine, no matter which one, don't
turn it down. It's good trading material. My first engine that I got (before
I had WW's book) was a 140 hp. The guy that rebuilt my heads traded mine for
the right ones. I got the right crank thru a different deal. Corvair race
guys are looking for the 140 engines.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Silvius
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine... maybe 3 or 4!
Mark:
Let me add to my previous note that ideally what you want is a 110 non-smog
engine. But anything with an 8409 crank will do especially if it is a
freebie.
No matter what you do, do not tear in to it until you get WW's manual so you
get the details on the particulars, and under no circumstance remove the
long head bolts from the case. These will be some degree of trouble as the
lower set are likely to exhibit some rust on the ends and the nuts will not
want to budge without turning the stud in the case.
good luck
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 9:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine... maybe 3 or 4!
>>
> I have planned to buy Wynne's book, but I haven't yet had the chance
> to tap that one yet before this, so any advice on the basics of what
> to look for in a core/engine to rebuild (just the primer version so I
> can get what is needed) would be helpful.
>
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Subject: | Invitation to view Mark's Picasa Web Album - My visit |
at The Groah's
Mark,
Great recount of your visit! Somehow, I think you will keep us posted on
your progress..
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
Do not archive
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 8:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Invitation to view Mark's Picasa Web Album - My
visit at The Groah's
You are invited to view Mark's photo album: My
<http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/sredir?uname=RobertsChristmas2007&target=ALB
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My visit at The Groah's
Jun 20, 2009
by Mark
I had a chance to visit with Mike and Victor Groah and see their Pietenpol
Air Camper at their shop. What a great couple of guys and what a great
couple of craftsmen!
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Message from Mark:
Hi Guys:
I always find it interesting to see some of the people that we correspond
with on the list. Put's a face with a name. I happen to live an hour away
from one of the list members, and surprisingly have driven by their house on
many occasions, not knowing there was a plane being built in the shop, or
that there was such a nice guy living there. Well, so happens that by asking
iof there was anyone building a Piet near Fresno CA that I met a couple of
really nice guys yesterday. Have a look...
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