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1. 06:04 AM - Re: Riblett 612 Leading Edge (H RULE)
2. 06:38 AM - Staple Gun do not archive (Mark)
3. 06:38 AM - travel limits for control surfaces (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
4. 06:43 AM - Re: travel limits for control surfaces (Jack Phillips)
5. 07:03 AM - Re: travel limits for control surfaces-- ailerons (Tim Willis)
6. 07:24 AM - Re: travel limits for control surfaces-- ailerons (Jack Phillips)
7. 07:33 AM - Re: Staple Gun do not archive (Ryan Mueller)
8. 07:35 AM - Re: travel limits for control surfaces-- ailerons (Steve Ruse)
9. 07:40 AM - Re: travel limits for control surfaces-- ailerons (Tim Willis)
10. 07:42 AM - Re: Riblett 612 Leading Edge (John Hofmann)
11. 07:56 AM - Re: Riblett 612 Leading Edge (Ken Howe)
12. 08:05 AM - Re: Spar splice (Ken Howe)
13. 08:18 AM - Re: Spar splice (Gary Boothe)
14. 08:37 AM - Re: Spar splice (Ryan Mueller)
15. 08:37 AM - Re: Riblett 612 Leading Edge (Bill Church)
16. 09:14 AM - centersection flop (Oscar Zuniga)
17. 09:21 AM - Re: centersection flop (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
18. 09:28 AM - Re: Spar splice (H RULE)
19. 09:38 AM - Re: centersection flop (Ken Howe)
20. 09:38 AM - Re: centersection flop (Jack Phillips)
21. 09:54 AM - Center section flop-Brass latches? (Ben Charvet)
22. 10:04 AM - Sky Scout's flop latch (santiago morete)
23. 10:11 AM - Re: starter for no-electrics engines (Ozarkflyer)
24. 10:34 AM - Re: Re: starter for no-electrics engines (H RULE)
25. 10:41 AM - Re: Center section flop-Brass latches? (H RULE)
26. 10:42 AM - Re: centersection flop (H RULE)
27. 10:43 AM - Re: centersection flop (H RULE)
28. 10:44 AM - Re: centersection flop (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
29. 10:45 AM - Re: Re: starter for no-electrics engines (Ryan Mueller)
30. 10:47 AM - Re: centersection flop (Jack Phillips)
31. 10:53 AM - Re: centersection flop (mike)
32. 10:58 AM - Re: centersection flop (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
33. 11:15 AM - Re: centersection flop (Jack Phillips)
34. 11:32 AM - Re: centersection flop (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
35. 12:01 PM - Re: centersection flop (K5YAC)
36. 12:29 PM - Re: centersection flop (Don Emch)
37. 12:38 PM - using brakes (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
38. 12:50 PM - Re: using brakes (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
39. 12:51 PM - Re: using brakes (Jeff Boatright)
40. 01:17 PM - Re: using brakes (Jack Phillips)
41. 01:20 PM - Re: Re: centersection flop (Ryan Mueller)
42. 01:47 PM - Re: centersection flop (K5YAC)
43. 01:53 PM - Re: using brakes (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
44. 02:05 PM - Re: using brakes (K5YAC)
45. 02:10 PM - Re: Re: centersection flop (H RULE)
46. 02:12 PM - Re: Re: centersection flop (Ryan Mueller)
47. 02:24 PM - Re: Re: centersection flop (H RULE)
48. 04:07 PM - Re: centersection flop (Paul N. Peckham)
49. 04:13 PM - Re: Riblett 612 Leading Edge (Dave and Connie)
50. 04:22 PM - Re: Re: using brakes (amsafetyc@aol.com)
51. 04:44 PM - Re: Re: centersection flop (Ryan Mueller)
52. 04:46 PM - reinforced "end" ribs (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
53. 04:54 PM - Re: Re: centersection flop (amsafetyc@aol.com)
54. 04:57 PM - Re: using brakes (David Paule)
55. 05:02 PM - Re: using brakes (gcardinal)
56. 05:06 PM - Re: Re: centersection flop (Gary Boothe)
57. 06:12 PM - Re: Riblett 612 Leading Edge (Ken Howe)
58. 06:22 PM - Re: Riblett 612 Leading Edge (Robert Ray)
59. 06:24 PM - Re: Riblett 612 Leading Edge (Ken Howe)
60. 06:40 PM - Re: starter for no-electrics engines (Ozarkflyer)
61. 06:43 PM - Re: starter for no-electrics engines (Ozarkflyer)
62. 06:45 PM - Re: Riblett 612 Leading Edge (John Hofmann)
63. 06:45 PM - 5 minutes (Dan Yocum)
64. 06:57 PM - Re: 5 minutes (Ryan Mueller)
65. 07:28 PM - Re: 5 minutes (Gary Boothe)
66. 07:31 PM - Re: 5 minutes (mike)
67. 07:34 PM - Landing at Airports with Gulfstreams... (Don Emch)
68. 07:38 PM - Re: 5 minutes (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
69. 07:39 PM - Spar splice (Oscar Zuniga)
70. 07:48 PM - Re: Riblett 612 Leading Edge (Dave and Connie)
71. 09:07 PM - Re: centersection flop (K5YAC)
72. 09:13 PM - Re: using brakes (K5YAC)
73. 09:13 PM - Re: using brakes (K5YAC)
74. 09:13 PM - Re: using brakes (K5YAC)
75. 09:21 PM - Re: centersection flop (K5YAC)
76. 10:32 PM - Re: using brakes (H RULE)
77. 10:32 PM - Re: centersection flop (Paul N. Peckham)
78. 11:03 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
79. 11:09 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
80. 11:53 PM - Re: Staple Gun do not archive (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett 612 Leading Edge |
Now ya hav ta call it a GN-1 Aircamper because of your mods;perferably GN-1
-23012-- LOL!!!=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom:
Robert Ray <rray032003@gmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent
: Thursday, October 1, 2009 2:33:34 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rible
tt 612 Leading Edge=0A=0A=0AI'm using the 23012 airfoil, I truss and design
ed exactly like the Grega,=0Ait's stronger than heck. I used the cut out fo
r leading edge =0Athe exact same dimension.=0AI had a member of EAA chapter
775 that had built and designed =0Aseveral planes and had been featured in
some of the EAA magazines,=0Ahe was the reason I changed from the Piet air
foil to the 23012.=0AHe was also a super scrounger he had to be living on h
is SS check,=0AI admired him greatly for he always had time to sit down ove
r a =0Acup of coffee and be helpful, he had jumped from a B-24 in WW-2=0Aan
d shot down several Zeros from the nose of a B-24,=0AThe lumber yards new h
im by first name and he would spend=0Ahours going through a pile of lumber
for his build projects=0Awhich he usually finished with in a year. He loved
this airfoil=0Aand thats what I'm using.=0AAfter building the ribs I read
where the stall can sometimes=0Abreak pretty good so I asked him about it,
he just grinned =0Aand said YEAH DOGGIES it can, fun fun fun.=0A=0ARussell
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-=0AOn Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Dave and Connie <dmat
nd Connie <dmatt@frontiernet.net>=0A>=0A>Since I am thinking of restarting
my project I started looking at the other airfoils. -Looking at the plots
of the Riblett airfoils they look to get taller in the leading edge quicke
r than the FC-10. =0A>For you guys building with the 612 airfoil - what are
you doing about the leading edge? -Do you use a taller piece of wood the
same thickness as on the original (and gain a bunch of weight) or are you
keeping the same height and a thinner piece (less weight but weaker)?=0A>bs
cription,=0A>www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank">
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A>ronics.com/" target=
"_blank">http://forums.matronics.com=0A>Matt Dralle, List Admin.=0A>==
===
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| Subject: | Staple Gun do not archive |
Starting to build wing rigs, and wanted to know where you can bet the light
duty staple gun I think most use. I believe it takes conventional office
staples used for paper. If you know, please provide the source, part
number, and latest price if known.
Thanks,
Mark
Lake City, FL
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| Subject: | travel limits for control surfaces |
I know this topic had bee approached in the past in some degree, however I
do not remember that it answered this question relative to control surface
travel.
How much travel in inches and or degrees or both from neutral position is
the maximum amount aileron up and down elevator and rudder travel before
the surfaces becomes in effective or loss of authority.
I am looking for the optimum setting travel distances for each or the
movable surfaces assuming neutral is equal to zero deflection at its horizontal
and vertical plane?
I am looking at some operating changes in the controls and am interested in
achieving maximum authority and response before achieving a point of
diminishing return.
Does anyone have those figures, estimates, SWAGs or ideas on the subject?
Thanks
John
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| Subject: | travel limits for control surfaces |
Well, the ailerons are generally ineffective at any position. I find that
even though I have stops on the stick travel for aileron deflection, my
thighs make the actual stop in flight. As for elevator travel, I believe I
used +/- 25 degrees, which is more than you'll ever need in flight. I set
the rudder stops to make sure it would never hit the elevators, and again it
is way more than you need in flight.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 9:38 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: travel limits for control surfaces
I know this topic had bee approached in the past in some degree, however I
do not remember that it answered this question relative to control surface
travel.
How much travel in inches and or degrees or both from neutral position is
the maximum amount aileron up and down elevator and rudder travel before the
surfaces becomes in effective or loss of authority.
I am looking for the optimum setting travel distances for each or the
movable surfaces assuming neutral is equal to zero deflection at its
horizontal and vertical plane?
I am looking at some operating changes in the controls and am interested in
achieving maximum authority and response before achieving a point of
diminishing return.
Does anyone have those figures, estimates, SWAGs or ideas on the subject?
Thanks
John
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| Subject: | travel limits for control surfaces-- ailerons |
Jack,
Should we read your first sentence literally, or did you mean something else?
Even though my ailerons are not yet operable, I can certainly see that my thighs
will be the real travel stops, ands wonder if that will lead to enough aileron
travel.
With all this in mind, should a builder add more aileron surface, say a rib bay
width or two to the ailerons (1-2 ft. per wing)?
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips
Sent: Oct 1, 2009 8:43 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: travel limits for control surfaces
Well, the ailerons are generally ineffective at any position. I find that even
though I have stops on the stick travel for aileron deflection, my thighs make
the actual stop in flight. As for elevator travel, I believe I used +/- 25
degrees, which is more than youll ever need in flight. I set the rudder stops
to make sure it would never hit the elevators, and again it is way more than
you need in flight.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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| Subject: | travel limits for control surfaces-- ailerons |
No, don't add more aileron surface. The best thing to do is seal the gaps
(I used piano hinges, which give a good hinge with automatically sealed
gaps). Roll rate on a Pietenpol with sealed aileron gaps is somewhere
around 45 degrees per second - worse if the gaps aren't sealed. About on
par with a Piper J-3 Cub.
By the time the stick reaches your thighs, the ailerons have pretty much
reached the point of maximum effectiveness (or minimum ineffectivesness).
Roll rate is my only real complaint about Pietenpol handling, and as I said,
it is consistent with other planes of that era. I've got some time in a
1934 Fairchild 22, with FULL SPAN ailerons and its roll rate is no better -
possibly worse than the Pietenpol. It does make it interesting when flying
in a gusty crosswind - sometimes the plane simply can't respond fast enough,
even with the stick slammed against the stop.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Willis
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:01 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: travel limits for control surfaces-- ailerons
<timothywillis@earthlink.net>
Jack,
Should we read your first sentence literally, or did you mean something
else? Even though my ailerons are not yet operable, I can certainly see
that my thighs will be the real travel stops, ands wonder if that will lead
to enough aileron travel.
With all this in mind, should a builder add more aileron surface, say a rib
bay width or two to the ailerons (1-2 ft. per wing)?
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips
Sent: Oct 1, 2009 8:43 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: travel limits for control surfaces
Well, the ailerons are generally ineffective at any position. I find that
even though I have stops on the stick travel for aileron deflection, my
thighs make the actual stop in flight. As for elevator travel, I believe I
used +/- 25 degrees, which is more than you'll ever need in flight. I set
the rudder stops to make sure it would never hit the elevators, and again it
is way more than you need in flight.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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| Subject: | Re: Staple Gun do not archive |
Mark,
I would recommend hitting up the big box stores (Home Depot, Lowes, your
regional equivalent) and picking up the cheapest and lightest plastic staple
gun they have. The Easyshot staple gun was the cheapest at my local Home
Depot:
http://www.homedepot.com/Tools-Hardware-Hand-Tools-Staplers-Staples/h_d1/N-5yc1vZarlqZ1xgs/R-100135510/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053
Looks like about $10 at your Lake City store. I used the smallest staples it
would shoot, which I believe were Arrow JT21 1/4 inch staples (check the
packaging). When you shoot the staples in the gussets don't press the
stapler hard against the surface of the wood....just rest it gently but
firmly on the ply, and fire. Experiment on a scrap piece or two to get the
feel. You'll find that the staples will shoot far enough in to hold the
gusset down without driving in flush with the surface. This makes it easy to
get a staple removal tool under the staple to pop it out after the glue has
dried.
You can get staple removers at your local office supply store for a buck or
two, for example:
http://www.officemax.com/office-supplies/staplers-hole-punches/staplers-staple-removers/product-ARS21683
Ryan
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Mark <mscca@comcast.net> wrote:
> Starting to build wing rigs, and wanted to know where you can bet the
> light duty staple gun I think most use. I believe it takes conventional
> office staples used for paper. If you know, please provide the source,
> part number, and latest price if known.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Mark
>
> Lake City, FL
>
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| Subject: | travel limits for control surfaces-- ailerons |
Tim,
I'm not a builder, just an owner, but in high crosswind conditions I
have run out of elevator travel because my leg is in the way. I don't
know that I would make the ailerons longer, but I would like to
shorten my aileron control horns slightly to get more deflection with
less stick movement, while not increasing the total deflection of the
aileron. As someone pointed out to me, increasing aileron size or
maximum deflection will result in increased forces on the wings, which
you probably want to avoid. The problem for me isn't lack of aileron,
just lack of possible deflection because my leg is in the way. I
don't want to increase the max aileron deflection, just get more
deflection for a given amount of stick travel.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
Quoting Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>:
> <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>
> Jack,
> Should we read your first sentence literally, or did you mean
> something else? Even though my ailerons are not yet operable, I can
> certainly see that my thighs will be the real travel stops, ands
> wonder if that will lead to enough aileron travel.
> With all this in mind, should a builder add more aileron surface,
> say a rib bay width or two to the ailerons (1-2 ft. per wing)?
> Tim in central TX
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Phillips
> Sent: Oct 1, 2009 8:43 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: travel limits for control surfaces
>
> Well, the ailerons are generally ineffective at any position. I
> find that even though I have stops on the stick travel for aileron
> deflection, my thighs make the actual stop in flight. As for
> elevator travel, I believe I used +/- 25 degrees, which is more than
> youll ever need in flight. I set the rudder stops to make sure it
> would never hit the elevators, and again it is way more than you
> need in flight.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
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| Subject: | travel limits for control surfaces-- ailerons |
Jack, thanks. I have piano hinges and will use them on the ailerons, and will
gap-seal traditionally hinged tail planes as well, as you have also recommended
in other posts.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Oct 1, 2009 9:24 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: travel limits for control surfaces-- ailerons
>
>
>No, don't add more aileron surface. The best thing to do is seal the gaps
>(I used piano hinges, which give a good hinge with automatically sealed
>gaps). Roll rate on a Pietenpol with sealed aileron gaps is somewhere
>around 45 degrees per second - worse if the gaps aren't sealed. About on
>par with a Piper J-3 Cub.
>
>By the time the stick reaches your thighs, the ailerons have pretty much
>reached the point of maximum effectiveness (or minimum ineffectivesness).
>Roll rate is my only real complaint about Pietenpol handling, and as I said,
>it is consistent with other planes of that era. I've got some time in a
>1934 Fairchild 22, with FULL SPAN ailerons and its roll rate is no better -
>possibly worse than the Pietenpol. It does make it interesting when flying
>in a gusty crosswind - sometimes the plane simply can't respond fast enough,
>even with the stick slammed against the stop.
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>Raleigh, NC
>
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett 612 Leading Edge |
Russell,
Doing an archive search from ten years ago (1999) the below was
found. Is this the same project and test you started back then? Also
found a reference to sending poor Mike Cuy money for his videotape. I
talked to Mike last Friday and found out he has been waiting at his
mailbox for your check since July, 1999. Please send him money so he
can go in the house before winter.
Match: #21
Message: #4678
From: kyle ray <rrobert(at)centuryinter.net>
Subject: rib testing
Date: - - - , 20-
Thought some one might be interested in my rib test.
Borrowed three tractor wheel weights 95 lbs each and
250 lbs, of barbells. Took rib and glued to test spars
that were about 2' long and set this across saw horse.
I hung all the weight on the rib varying the position
of the weight on the rib. One time I had 200 lb's hanging
on the nose and the remaining weight directly
aft of the front spar. I believe that the rib will with stand
700 to 900 lb's and may borrow some more tractor wheel
weights to see if this is correct. My ribs have a 23012
airfoil and not the original airfoil and are made using
1/4 x 3/8" doug fir cap strips and 1/16 inch birtch ply
and Raka epoxy.
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Oct 1, 2009, at 1:33 AM, Robert Ray wrote:
> I'm using the 23012 airfoil, I truss and designed exactly like the
> Grega,
> it's stronger than heck. I used the cut out for leading edge
> the exact same dimension.
> I had a member of EAA chapter 775 that had built and designed
> several planes and had been featured in some of the EAA magazines,
> he was the reason I changed from the Piet airfoil to the 23012.
> He was also a super scrounger he had to be living on his SS check,
> I admired him greatly for he always had time to sit down over a
> cup of coffee and be helpful, he had jumped from a B-24 in WW-2
> and shot down several Zeros from the nose of a B-24,
> The lumber yards new him by first name and he would spend
> hours going through a pile of lumber for his build projects
> which he usually finished with in a year. He loved this airfoil
> and thats what I'm using.
> After building the ribs I read where the stall can sometimes
> break pretty good so I asked him about it, he just grinned
> and said YEAH DOGGIES it can, fun fun fun.
>
> Russell
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Dave and Connie <dmatt@frontiernet.net
> > wrote:
> >
>
> Since I am thinking of restarting my project I started looking at
> the other airfoils. Looking at the plots of the Riblett airfoils
> they look to get taller in the leading edge quicker than the FC-10.
> For you guys building with the 612 airfoil - what are you doing
> about the leading edge? Do you use a taller piece of wood the same
> thickness as on the original (and gain a bunch of weight) or are you
> keeping the same height and a thinner piece (less weight but weaker)?
> bscription,
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank">http://
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
> Matt Dralle, List Admin.
> ====
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett 612 Leading Edge |
I am building my 612 ribs to use the standard 4 3/4" tall spars. The rear
spar fits in just right, with a little space for a wedge to be inserted
between the top of the spar and the rib. The front of the rib is, as you
note, quite a bit taller where the front spar goes. I've designed my truss
to insert a small block under the spar so that the space betwen the block
and the top capstrip is 4 3/4". I'd posted a few pictures a month or 2 back
to the list so you might find them in the archives. I don't have any of my
pictures here at work, so I've whipped out a quick and dirty sketch to show
what I've done.
On the Riblett section, there is more of a curve in the leading edge of the
bottom capstrip. I didn't feel comfortable dry fitting my strips into the
jig with that much bend, so I am pre-bending the bottom strips similar to
what is done for the top strip.
--Ken
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:52:00 -0400, Dave and Connie <dmatt@frontiernet.net>
wrote:
> <dmatt@frontiernet.net>
>
> Since I am thinking of restarting my project I started looking at the
> other airfoils. Looking at the plots of the Riblett airfoils they look
> to get taller in the leading edge quicker than the FC-10.
>
> For you guys building with the 612 airfoil - what are you doing about
> the leading edge? Do you use a taller piece of wood the same thickness
> as on the original (and gain a bunch of weight) or are you keeping the
> same height and a thinner piece (less weight but weaker)?
>
> Dave
>
>
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Santiago,
Wow! That is beautiful work.
I do have a question though, something that I've been wondering for a
while. On the center section, how do you keep the flop from flopping while
in flight? If I remember my aerodynamics correctly, there is a negative
pressure above the upper surface which would tend to make the flop fold up.
-- Ken
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:47:03 -0700 (PDT), santiago morete wrote:
Hello, Mike, we did exactly what you suggest, with a 15:1 splice
joint, but we are using 3/4" spars, so we needed the 1/8 plywood plates
under the cabane fittings anyway. There is nothing wrong on doing it this
way. Saludos Santiago
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Ken,
I don't know anything about the flops, but I recall seeing Chuck Gantzer at
Brodhead flying with his flop un-locked (OK, that sounded funny.go ahead
with the jokes.). Chuck's a tall guy. It appeared to go up a few inches and
just stay there.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Howe
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spar splice
Santiago,
Wow! That is beautiful work.
I do have a question though, something that I've been wondering for a while.
On the center section, how do you keep the flop from flopping while in
flight? If I remember my aerodynamics correctly, there is a negative
pressure above the upper surface which would tend to make the flop fold up.
-- Ken
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:47:03 -0700 (PDT), santiago morete
<moretesantiago@yahoo.com.ar> wrote:
Hello,
Mike, we did exactly what you suggest, with a 15:1 splice joint, but we are
using 3/4" spars, so we needed the 1/8 plywood plates under the cabane
fittings anyway. There is nothing wrong on doing it this way.
Saludos
Santiago
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That's just wrong all the way 'round, Gary. :)
Ryan
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On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> Ken,
>
>
> I don=92t know anything about the flops, but I recall seeing Chuck Gantze
r at
> Brodhead flying with his flop un-locked (OK, that sounded funny=85go ahea
d
> with the jokes=85). Chuck=92s a tall guy. It appeared to go up a few inch
es and
> just stay there.
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, Ca.
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
>
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
> (15 ribs down=85)
>
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| Subject: | Riblett 612 Leading Edge |
612 RIBS???
Wow! How many Piets are you building?
I would guess 20, if using the 3 piece wing, or 21, if using the
one-piece wing.
You must have a lot of workshop space.
What an ambitious project!
(before you send a reply to clarify, let me clarify that I'm just
pulling your leg)
Bill C.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Howe
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Riblett 612 Leading Edge
I am building my 612 ribs to use the standard 4 3/4" tall spars. The
rear spar fits in just right, with a little space for a wedge to be
inserted between the top of the spar and the rib. The front of the rib
is, as you note, quite a bit taller where the front spar goes. I've
designed my truss to insert a small block under the spar so that the
space betwen the block and the top capstrip is 4 3/4". I'd posted a few
pictures a month or 2 back to the list so you might find them in the
archives. I don't have any of my pictures here at work, so I've whipped
out a quick and dirty sketch to show what I've done.
On the Riblett section, there is more of a curve in the leading edge of
the bottom capstrip. I didn't feel comfortable dry fitting my strips
into the jig with that much bend, so I am pre-bending the bottom strips
similar to what is done for the top strip.
--Ken
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| Subject: | centersection flop |
I have never latched the centersection flop on 41CC.
It does not lift up in flight; in fact, it takes a
pretty good push to raise it up into the slipstream
in flight.
I do not leave the flop flipped up when on the ground
though; it is very easy for a wind gust to catch it.
That has happened to me and I got some damage to the
piano hinge on the flop section.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: centersection flop |
another question, Can the flop if designed to be more sturdy in its
mounting, serve an additional function and be used as a flight control surface
for dynamic braking similar to a speed brake in ground application?
Okay , Bill C jump right in there!
John
In a message dated 10/1/2009 12:15:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
taildrags@hotmail.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
I have never latched the centersection flop on 41CC.
It does not lift up in flight; in fact, it takes a
pretty good push to raise it up into the slipstream
in flight.
I do not leave the flop flipped up when on the ground
though; it is very easy for a wind gust to catch it.
That has happened to me and I got some damage to the
piano hinge on the flop section.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Ya I have a flop door too and it will do that if I don't use the lock downs
but it has absolutely no effect on your flying and it won't come up any fu
rther due to pressures.I too am guilty of leaving my flop open from time to
time.What I do now is just leave the flop door totaly open sitting on the
wing and then when the engine starts I get a rude notice that I left it ope
n when=C2-it swings back and slams down very close to my head,then I reme
mber to snip it down with my brass latches.Very impressive are my brass lat
ches;-)=C2-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Gary B
oothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thu
rsday, October 1, 2009 11:16:16 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Spar spli
ce=0A=0A=0AKen,=0A=C2-=0AI don=99t know anything about the flops, b
ut I recall seeing Chuck Gantzer at Brodhead flying with his flop un-locked
(OK, that sounded funnygo ahead with the jokes). Chuck
=99s a tall guy. It appeared to go up a few inches and just stay ther
e.=0A=C2-=0AGary Boothe=0ACool, Ca.=0APietenpol=0AWW Corvair Conversion,
mounted=0ATail done,=C2-Fuselage=C2-on gear=0A(15 ribs down)
=0A=0A________________________________=0A=0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-serve
r@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behal
f Of Ken Howe=0ASent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 8:03 AM=0ATo: pietenpol-li
st@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spar splice=0A=C2-=0ASant
iago ,=0AWow! That is beautiful work.=0AI do have a question though, someth
ing that I've been wondering for a while. On the center section, how do you
keep the flop from flopping while in flight? If I remember my aerodynamics
correctly, there is a negative pressure above the upper surface which woul
d tend to make the flop fold up.=0A-- Ken=0A=C2-=0AOn Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17
:47:03 -0700 (PDT), santiago morete <moretesantiago@yahoo.com.ar> wrote:=0A
Hello,=0A>=C2-=0A>Mike, we did exactly what you suggest, with a 15:1 spli
ce joint, but we are using 3/4" spars, so we needed the 1/8 plywood=C2-pl
ates under the cabane=C2-fittings anyway.=C2- There is nothing wrong=C2
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| Subject: | Re: centersection flop |
Does a Piet need a speed brake!
On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:20:44 EDT, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote: another
question, Can the flop if designed to be more sturdy in its mounting, serve
an additional function and be used as a flight control surface for dynamic
braking similar to a speed brake in ground application? Okay , Bill C
jump right in there! John In a message dated 10/1/2009 12:15:31 P.M.
Eastern Daylight Time, taildrags@hotmail.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List
message posted by: Oscar Zuniga
I have never latched the centersection flop on 41CC.
It does not lift up in flight; in fact, it takes a
pretty good push to raise it up into the slipstream
in flight.
I do not leave the flop flipped up when on the ground
though; it is very easy for a wind gust to catch it.
That has happened to me and I got some damage to the
piano hinge on the flop section.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | centersection flop |
I don't need any more brakes on my Pietenpol, but would really like an
accelerator.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: centersection flop
another question, Can the flop if designed to be more sturdy in its
mounting, serve an additional function and be used as a flight control
surface for dynamic braking similar to a speed brake in ground application?
Okay , Bill C jump right in there!
John
In a message dated 10/1/2009 12:15:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
taildrags@hotmail.com writes:
I have never latched the centersection flop on 41CC.
It does not lift up in flight; in fact, it takes a
pretty good push to raise it up into the slipstream
in flight.
I do not leave the flop flipped up when on the ground
though; it is very easy for a wind gust to catch it.
That has happened to me and I got some damage to the
piano hinge on the flop section.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Center section flop-Brass latches? |
I made a flop out of aluminum sheet (good practice should I ever build a
spam can). I'd love to see some ideas on how to latch it down, so could
you post a pic of your latches?
Ben Charvet
Finally its final assembly t ime!
H RULE wrote:
> Ya I have a flop door too and it will do that if I don't use the lock
> downs but it has absolutely no effect on your flying and it won't come
> up any further due to pressures.I too am guilty of leaving my flop
> open from time to time.What I do now is just leave the flop door
> totaly open sitting on the wing and then when the engine starts I get
> a rude notice that I left it open when it swings back and slams down
> very close to my head,then I remember to snip it down with my brass
> latches.Very impressive are my brass latches;-)
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 11:16:16 AM
> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Spar splice
>
> Ken,
>
>
>
> I dont know anything about the flops, but I recall seeing Chuck
> Gantzer at Brodhead flying with his flop un-locked (OK, that sounded
> funnygo ahead with the jokes). Chucks a tall guy. It appeared to go
> up a few inches and just stay there.
>
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, Ca.
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
>
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
> (15 ribs down)
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Howe
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 01, 2009 8:03 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Spar splice
>
>
>
> Santiago ,
>
> Wow! That is beautiful work.
>
> I do have a question though, something that I've been wondering for a
> while. On the center section, how do you keep the flop from flopping
> while in flight? If I remember my aerodynamics correctly, there is a
> negative pressure above the upper surface which would tend to make the
> flop fold up.
>
> -- Ken
>
>
>
> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:47:03 -0700 (PDT), santiago morete
> <moretesantiago@yahoo.com.ar> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> Mike, we did exactly what you suggest, with a 15:1 splice joint,
> but we are using 3/4" spars, so we needed the 1/8 plywood plates
> under the cabane fittings anyway. There is nothing wrong on doing
> it this way.
>
> Saludos
>
>
>
> Santiago
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Sky Scout's flop latch |
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| Subject: | Re: starter for no-electrics engines |
Well I went over and saw the Taylorcraft yesterday. Forgot my camera...so I took
about 4 pics with my cell-phone. Now if I could just figure out how to send
the pictures from my cell phone. [Rolling Eyes]
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=265873#265873
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| Subject: | Re: starter for no-electrics engines |
you need a rocket fish;it will allow you to communicate to the cell phone f
rom your computer and you down load the pics from the phone to the computer
and then print them out onto photo paper if you have a printer.=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Ozarkflyer <lragan@hotmail.c
om>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 1:
11:28 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: starter for no-electrics engines=0A
=0A=0AWell I went over and saw the Taylorcraft yesterday.- Forgot my came
ra...so I took about 4 pics with my cell-phone.- Now if I could just figu
re out how to send the pictures from my cell phone. [Rolling Eyes]=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtop
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| Subject: | Re: Center section flop-Brass latches? |
I'll see if I have pics on my computer ,if not you'll have to wait till I g
o down to the aircraft.May not be till next week.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________
_____________________=0AFrom: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>=0ATo: pi
etenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 12:54:10 PM=0A
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Center section flop-Brass latches?=0A=0A--> Pieten
pol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>=0A=0AI mad
e a flop out of aluminum sheet (good practice should I ever build a spam ca
n).=C2- I'd love to see some ideas on how to latch it down, so could you
post a pic of your latches?=0A=0ABen Charvet=0AFinally its final assembly t
ime!=0A=0AH RULE wrote:=0A> Ya I have a flop door too and it will do that
if I don't use the lock downs but it has absolutely no effect on your flyin
g and it won't come up any further due to pressures.I too am guilty of leav
ing my flop open from time to time.What I do now is just leave the flop doo
r totaly open sitting on the wing and then when the engine starts I get a r
ude notice that I left it open when it swings back and slams down very clos
e to my head,then I remember to snip it down with my brass latches.Very imp
ressive are my brass latches;-) =0A> --------------------------------------
----------------------------------=0A> *From:* Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcas
t.net>=0A> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A> *Sent:* Thursday, October
1, 2009 11:16:16 AM=0A> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Spar splice=0A> =0A
> Ken,=0A> =0A>=C2- =0A> I don=99t know anything about the flops, b
ut I recall seeing Chuck Gantzer at Brodhead flying with his flop un-locked
(OK, that sounded funnygo ahead with the jokes). Chuck
=99s a tall guy. It appeared to go up a few inches and just stay ther
e.=0A> =0A>=C2- =0A> Gary Boothe=0A> =0A> Cool, Ca.=0A> =0A> Pietenpol=0A
> =0A> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted=0A> =0A> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
=0A> =0A> (15 ribs down)=0A> =0A> --------------------------------
----------------------------------------=0A> =0A> *From:* owner-pietenpol-l
ist-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]
*On Behalf Of *Ken Howe=0A> *Sent:* Thursday, October 01, 2009 8:03 AM=0A>
*To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Spar
splice=0A> =0A>=C2- =0A> Santiago ,=0A> =0A> Wow! That is beautiful work
.=0A> =0A> I do have a question though, something that I've been wondering
for a while. On the center section, how do you keep the flop from flopping
while in flight? If I remember my aerodynamics correctly, there is a negati
ve pressure above the upper surface which would tend to make the flop fold
up.=0A> =0A> -- Ken=0A> =0A>=C2- =0A> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:47:03 -0700
(PDT), santiago morete <moretesantiago@yahoo.com.ar> wrote:=0A> =0A>=C2-
=C2- Hello,=0A> =0A>=C2- =C2- =C2- =0A>=C2- =C2- Mike, we did e
xactly what you suggest, with a 15:1 splice joint,=0A>=C2- =C2- but we
are using 3/4" spars, so we needed the 1/8 plywood plates=0A>=C2- =C2-
under the cabane fittings anyway.=C2- There is nothing wrong on doing=0A>
=C2- =C2- it this way.=0A> =0A>=C2- =C2- Saludos=0A> =0A>=C2- =C2
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| Subject: | Re: centersection flop |
geeeeze your not flying the shuttle craft here or a jet fighter.If your lan
ding in that small an area maybe you should check;you may be landing on the
width of the runway instaead of the length of it;-))-- LOL=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Ken Howe <ken@cooper-mtn.com>
=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 12:38
:10 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: centersection flop=0A=0A=0ADoes a Pie
t need a speed brake!=0A-=0AOn Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:20:44 EDT, AMsafetyC@ao
l.com wrote:=0Aanother question, Can the flop if designed to be more sturdy
in its mounting, serve an additional function and be used as a flight cont
rol surface for dynamic braking similar to a speed brake in ground applicat
ion?=0A>=0A>Okay , Bill C jump right in there!=0A>=0A>John=0A>=0A>In a mess
age dated 10/1/2009 12:15:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, taildrags@hotmail.
>=0A>>I have never latched the centersection flop on 41CC.=0A>>It does not
lift up in flight; in fact, it takes a=0A>>pretty good push to raise it up
into the slipstream=0A>>in flight.=0A>>=0A>>I do not leave the flop flipped
up when on the ground=0A>>though; it is very easy for a wind gust to catch
it.=0A>>That has happened to me and I got some damage to the=0A>>piano hin
ge on the flop section.=0A>>=0A>>Oscar Zuniga=0A>>Air Camper NX41CC=0A>>San
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If pushed up too high it could put you into a stall;I wouldn't screw around
doing that in low earth orbit.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________________________
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At present my wheels do not have any braking so I was considering that for
situations where wheel brakes may come in handy, its already there , why
not make full use of it?
In a message dated 10/1/2009 12:39:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
ken@cooper-mtn.com writes:
Does a Piet need a speed brake!
On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:20:44 EDT, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
another question, Can the flop if designed to be more sturdy in its
mounting, serve an additional function and be used as a flight control surface
for dynamic braking similar to a speed brake in ground application?
Okay , Bill C jump right in there!
John
In a message dated 10/1/2009 12:15:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
taildrags@hotmail.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga
I have never latched the centersection flop on 41CC.
It does not lift up in flight; in fact, it takes a
pretty good push to raise it up into the slipstream
in flight.
I do not leave the flop flipped up when on the ground
though; it is very easy for a wind gust to catch it.
That has happened to me and I got some damage to the
piano hinge on the flop section.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
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You can also send the pics to your email address via a pic (MMS) message,
just like you were sending them to another cellphone. Instead of putting in
a phone number enter in your email address. They'll be sent to your inbox.
Ryan
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:31 PM, H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com> wrote:
> you need a rocket fish;it will allow you to communicate to the cell phone
> from your computer and you down load the pics from the phone to the computer
> and then print them out onto photo paper if you have a printer.
>
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> *From:* Ozarkflyer <lragan@hotmail.com>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 1:11:28 PM
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Re: starter for no-electrics engines
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> Well I went over and saw the Taylorcraft yesterday. Forgot my camera...so
> I took about 4 pics with my cell-phone. Now if I could just figure out how
> to send the pictures from my cell phone. [Rolling Eyes]
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Mostly I use my brakes for parking. I doubt an airbrake would be of much
use.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: centersection flop
At present my wheels do not have any braking so I was considering that for
situations where wheel brakes may come in handy, its already there , why not
make full use of it?
In a message dated 10/1/2009 12:39:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
ken@cooper-mtn.com writes:
Does a Piet need a speed brake!
On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:20:44 EDT, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
another question, Can the flop if designed to be more sturdy in its
mounting, serve an additional function and be used as a flight control
surface for dynamic braking similar to a speed brake in ground application?
Okay , Bill C jump right in there!
John
In a message dated 10/1/2009 12:15:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
taildrags@hotmail.com writes:
I have never latched the centersection flop on 41CC.
It does not lift up in flight; in fact, it takes a
pretty good push to raise it up into the slipstream
in flight.
I do not leave the flop flipped up when on the ground
though; it is very easy for a wind gust to catch it.
That has happened to me and I got some damage to the
piano hinge on the flop section.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
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You could wind up in the "Deadman's Corner," that place at altitude where
critical Mach and stall TAS cross over. It has killed a few early Lear 24
pilots and lost at least one U-2; both apparently similar in performance to
John's imaginary Piet.
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Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: centersection flop
If pushed up too high it could put you into a stall;I wouldn't screw around
doing that in low earth orbit.
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From: "AMsafetyC@aol.com" <AMsafetyC@aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 12:20:44 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: centersection flop
another question, Can the flop if designed to be more sturdy in its
mounting, serve an additional function and be used as a flight control
surface for dynamic braking similar to a speed brake in ground application?
Okay , Bill C jump right in there!
John
In a message dated 10/1/2009 12:15:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
taildrags@hotmail.com writes:
I have never latched the centersection flop on 41CC.
It does not lift up in flight; in fact, it takes a
pretty good push to raise it up into the slipstream
in flight.
I do not leave the flop flipped up when on the ground
though; it is very easy for a wind gust to catch it.
That has happened to me and I got some damage to the
piano hinge on the flop section.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
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no braking on landing? true enough speed brakes when stopped would be a
bit much having never flown or flown in one I have little knowledge or
experience in landing them. Like the safety director that I am, I am trying to
think about all the needs, options and opportunities in the planning mode
rather than the post mishap retrofit and repair mode.
Safe in the morning and trying for the rest of the day.
I suppose its like the gun preference argument. I prefer to have one and
not need it rather then than need one and not have it.
do not archive
In a message dated 10/1/2009 1:48:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes:
Mostly I use my brakes for parking. I doubt an airbrake would be of much
use.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
____________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: centersection flop
At present my wheels do not have any braking so I was considering that for
situations where wheel brakes may come in handy, its already there , why
not make full use of it?
In a message dated 10/1/2009 12:39:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
ken@cooper-mtn.com writes:
Does a Piet need a speed brake!
On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:20:44 EDT, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
another question, Can the flop if designed to be more sturdy in its
mounting, serve an additional function and be used as a flight control surface
for dynamic braking similar to a speed brake in ground application?
Okay , Bill C jump right in there!
John
In a message dated 10/1/2009 12:15:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
taildrags@hotmail.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga
I have never latched the centersection flop on 41CC.
It does not lift up in flight; in fact, it takes a
pretty good push to raise it up into the slipstream
in flight.
I do not leave the flop flipped up when on the ground
though; it is very easy for a wind gust to catch it.
That has happened to me and I got some damage to the
piano hinge on the flop section.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
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I rarely ever touch my brakes on the runway, except to turn around. Others
flying Pietenpols, what about you?
Jack Philllips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: centersection flop
no braking on landing? true enough speed brakes when stopped would be a bit
much having never flown or flown in one I have little knowledge or
experience in landing them. Like the safety director that I am, I am trying
to think about all the needs, options and opportunities in the planning mode
rather than the post mishap retrofit and repair mode.
Safe in the morning and trying for the rest of the day.
I suppose its like the gun preference argument. I prefer to have one and not
need it rather then than need one and not have it.
do not archive
In a message dated 10/1/2009 1:48:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes:
Mostly I use my brakes for parking. I doubt an airbrake would be of much
use.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: centersection flop
At present my wheels do not have any braking so I was considering that for
situations where wheel brakes may come in handy, its already there , why not
make full use of it?
In a message dated 10/1/2009 12:39:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
ken@cooper-mtn.com writes:
Does a Piet need a speed brake!
On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:20:44 EDT, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
another question, Can the flop if designed to be more sturdy in its
mounting, serve an additional function and be used as a flight control
surface for dynamic braking similar to a speed brake in ground application?
Okay , Bill C jump right in there!
John
In a message dated 10/1/2009 12:15:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
taildrags@hotmail.com writes:
I have never latched the centersection flop on 41CC.
It does not lift up in flight; in fact, it takes a
pretty good push to raise it up into the slipstream
in flight.
I do not leave the flop flipped up when on the ground
though; it is very easy for a wind gust to catch it.
That has happened to me and I got some damage to the
piano hinge on the flop section.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
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A Friend has "hand" made spoilers on his Ercoupe. If he and his copilot find themselves
high on final, they reach out and put there hands on the top of each
wing, flat to the airflow, and it drops like a rock. I suspect that he likes doing
it enough that he often approaches high on purpose.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: centersection flop
> no braking on landing? true enough speed brakes when stopped would
> be a
> bit much having never flown or flown in one I have little
> knowledge or
> experience in landing them. Like the safety director that I am, I
> am trying to
> think about all the needs, options and opportunities in the
> planning mode
> rather than the post mishap retrofit and repair mode.
>
> Safe in the morning and trying for the rest of the day.
>
> I suppose its like the gun preference argument. I prefer to have
> one and
> not need it rather then than need one and not have it.
>
> do not archive
>
>
> In a message dated 10/1/2009 1:48:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes:
>
>
> Mostly I use my brakes for parking. I doubt an airbrake would be
> of much
> use.
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> ____________________________________
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> AMsafetyC@aol.comSent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:43 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: centersection flop
>
> At present my wheels do not have any braking so I was considering
> that for
> situations where wheel brakes may come in handy, its already
> there , why
> not make full use of it?
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 10/1/2009 12:39:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> ken@cooper-mtn.com writes:
>
> Does a Piet need a speed brake!
> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:20:44 EDT, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
>
> another question, Can the flop if designed to be more sturdy in
> its
> mounting, serve an additional function and be used as a flight
> control surface
> for dynamic braking similar to a speed brake in ground application?
>
>
>
> Okay , Bill C jump right in there!
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 10/1/2009 12:15:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> taildrags@hotmail.com writes:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga
>
>
> I have never latched the centersection flop on 41CC.
> It does not lift up in flight; in fact, it takes a
> pretty good push to raise it up into the slipstream
> in flight.
>
> I do not leave the flop flipped up when on the ground
> though; it is very easy for a wind gust to catch it.
> That has happened to me and I got some damage to the
> piano hinge on the flop section.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
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Not sure about the brake usage, but on the other comment I say, "Harumph!"
Amsafetyc wrote:
> I suppose its like the gun preference argument. I prefer to have one and not
need it rather then than need one and not have it.
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I use my speed brakes every time I fly. In fact, I use them the whole flight.
The thing has speed brakes all over it! Seriously, the only time I use the wheel
brakes is for run-up and while taxiing on pavement. It just rolls and rolls
on pavement with the tall tires. On roll out in the landing it just kind
of slows down to a fast taxi and then just kinda keeps going at that speed. So
yeah Jack, just taxi and run up, never really used them to slow the airplane
on roll out.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Same here as Jack. I only use my brakes when I'm below 10 mph to facilit
ate slowing to make a u-turn on the runway or when coming up to the gas pum
p or inching along for takeoff in line or lastly, on runup.
I rarely ever touch my brakes on the runway, except to turn around. Others
flying Pietenpols, what about you?
Jack Philllips
I don't even use my brakes when doing a 180 turn or 360 turn to look around
the pattern before takeoff
for traffic-the steerable tailwheel with full rudder bar deflection one way
or the other works fine.
Mike C.
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Thanks guys, all good information in the planning.
Why so much previous discussion about brakes, cart brakes, hubs, mechanica
l
vs juice, friction if the entire braking need is relegated to taxi,
fueling and parking and on a limited basis. seems like a lot of unnecessar
y work
for no benefit according too the comments of today.
The good news is it takes another issue of concern off the table and allow
s
me more concentration on the important issues like continued un
interrupted building, saw dust, engine and firewall.
Thanks
John
safe in the morning and so far, we shall see about the rest of the day!
In a message dated 10/1/2009 3:38:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov writes:
Same here as Jack. I only use my brakes when I=99m below 10 mph
to
facilitate slowing to make a u-turn on the runway or when coming up to the
gas
pump or inching along for takeoff in line or lastly, on runup.
I rarely ever touch my brakes on the runway, except to turn around.
Others flying Pietenpols, what about you?
Jack Philllips
I don=99t even use my brakes when doing a 180 turn or 360 turn to
look
around the pattern before takeoff
for traffic=94the steerable tailwheel with full rudder bar deflecti
on one
way or the other works fine.
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I only use my brakes on run-up or if I need to make a really tight
turn. I've never landed on a strip so short that I needed them to
actually stop. I doubt that they would help much. They're motorcycle
drum brakes with cable controls, and from not that big of a
motorcycle as near as we can tell; they just weren't meant to stop
over a thousand pounds of airplane and people. Some time ago, when
the tailwheel collapsed, I sure wished that the brakes had more
stopping power, but other than that I 've found them to be adequate.
>I rarely ever touch my brakes on the runway, except to turn around.
>Others flying Pietenpols, what about you?
>Jack Philllips
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Well, when you need the brakes, you really NEED them. Like when you are
taxiing along and a Gulfstream pulls out in front of you (that $100,000
liability policy you have will almost buy the aileron on a Gulfstream). As
Don said, if you put wire wheels on, those things will just about roll
forever on pavement. I've had more problems with the brakes than all other
problems put together on my plane, but I still am glad I have 'em.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes
Thanks guys, all good information in the planning.
Why so much previous discussion about brakes, cart brakes, hubs, mechanical
vs juice, friction if the entire braking need is relegated to taxi, fueling
and parking and on a limited basis. seems like a lot of unnecessary work for
no benefit according too the comments of today.
The good news is it takes another issue of concern off the table and allows
me more concentration on the important issues like continued un interrupted
building, saw dust, engine and firewall.
Thanks
John
safe in the morning and so far, we shall see about the rest of the day!
In a message dated 10/1/2009 3:38:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov writes:
Same here as Jack. I only use my brakes when I'm below 10 mph to
facilitate slowing to make a u-turn on the runway or when coming up to the
gas pump or inching along for takeoff in line or lastly, on runup.
I rarely ever touch my brakes on the runway, except to turn around. Others
flying Pietenpols, what about you?
Jack Philllips
I don't even use my brakes when doing a 180 turn or 360 turn to look around
the pattern before takeoff
for traffic-the steerable tailwheel with full rudder bar deflection one way
or the other works fine.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: centersection flop |
It's ok Mark. I've got more than enough of those to make up for your
harumphing. ;)
Ryan
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On Oct 1, 2009, at 2:01 PM, "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
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> Not sure about the brake usage, but on the other comment I say,
> "Harumph!"
>
>
> Amsafetyc wrote:
>> I suppose its like the gun preference argument. I prefer to have
>> one and not need it rather then than need one and not have it.
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| Subject: | Re: centersection flop |
Not sure if you understood, Ryan... harumph in our neck of the woods is a good
thing. As in Blazing Saddles, I am showing my approval (maybe I misunderstood
that scene). I've got a small arsenal here... as an ex-grunt, I like talking
guns... look forward to comparing notes next July. ;-)
Harumphing... LOL!
Ryan Mueller wrote:
> It's ok Mark. I've got more than enough of those to make up for your harumphing.
;)
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| Subject: | Re: using brakes |
wow dis here brake thing sure am confusing, and the need seems to be
growing much furder and furder, I wonder if dey may even be used fer slowi
n down?
Lets review the list of needs:
parking
run up
fuel
problems on landing
fast approach on a short field
high approach
Reduction of orbit for reentry
ground travel (taxi to hitting the gulfstream)
pavement rolling forever
any others we can add to the list of limited, unnecessary and auxiliary
brake usage ?
In a message dated 10/1/2009 4:19:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes:
Well, when you need the brakes, you really NEED them. Like when you are
taxiing along and a Gulfstream pulls out in front of you (that $100,000
liability policy you have will almost buy the aileron on a Gulfstream).
As Don
said, if you put wire wheels on, those things will just about roll foreve
r
on pavement. I=99ve had more problems with the brakes than all oth
er
problems put together on my plane, but I still am glad I have =98em
.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes
Thanks guys, all good information in the planning.
Why so much previous discussion about brakes, cart brakes, hubs,
mechanical vs juice, friction if the entire braking need is relegated to
taxi,
fueling and parking and on a limited basis. seems like a lot of unnecessa
ry
work for no benefit according too the comments of today.
The good news is it takes another issue of concern off the table and
allows me more concentration on the important issues like continued un
interrupted building, saw dust, engine and firewall.
Thanks
John
safe in the morning and so far, we shall see about the rest of the day!
In a message dated 10/1/2009 3:38:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov writes:
Same here as Jack. I only use my brakes when I=99m below 10 mph
to
facilitate slowing to make a u-turn on the runway or when coming up to the
gas
pump or inching along for takeoff in line or lastly, on runup.
I rarely ever touch my brakes on the runway, except to turn around.
Others flying Pietenpols, what about you?
Jack Philllips
I don=99t even use my brakes when doing a 180 turn or 360 turn to
look
around the pattern before takeoff
for traffic=94the steerable tailwheel with full rudder bar deflecti
on one
way or the other works fine.
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| Subject: | Re: using brakes |
LMAO!! John, you've got issues.
Hey, are you coming to the Port o' Catoosa this month?
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| Subject: | Re: centersection flop |
You are so right;I use my arms as air speed breaks;-)) I use the other brea
ks for everything you mentioned including turning.I will use full rudder in
the direction I want to go and the break as well.Works great since I have
no actual control over the rear wheel.I remember when I flew into Brockvill
e for a flyin and for some reason,maybe oil ,the right break wasn't working
all that well so I just climbed out and told the director the problem and
he said just push it over there.No problem.That same break was OK the next
day so go figure.On climb out from Brockville I could hear the controller i
n the radio say watch out for that strange looking slow aircraft on climb o
ut everybody.He's not very fast and I smiled a big smile as I flew away in
my strange looking aircraft!Those guys had never ever heard of an Aircamper
;they were making jokes like ya can't camp in that.I said ya can when ya ge
t to where your going with your camping gear in the front seat HA!No
comment was made after that.By the way guys, I said, I can put this thing
down where most of you would crap if ya had ta land there.No comment after
that either.I love my Aircamper!Strange looking airplane indeed!Pietenpol a
nd Grega,thankyou!=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: D
on Emch <EmchAir@aol.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursd
ay, October 1, 2009 3:29:13 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: centersection
m>=0A=0AI use my speed brakes every time I fly.- In fact, I use them the
whole flight.- The thing has speed brakes all over it!- Seriously, the
only time I use the wheel brakes is for run-up and while taxiing on pavemen
t.- It just rolls and rolls on pavement with the tall tires.- On roll o
ut in the landing it just kind of slows down to a fast taxi and then just k
inda keeps going at that speed.- So yeah Jack, just taxi and run up, neve
r really used them to slow the airplane on roll out.=0A=0ADon Emch=0ANX899D
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| Subject: | Re: centersection flop |
Gotcha, gotcha. I was taking it as an expression of disapproval. I'm glad I
was mistaken. 0311 or 11B?
Ryan
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On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 3:46 PM, K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Not sure if you understood, Ryan... harumph in our neck of the woods is a
> good thing. As in Blazing Saddles, I am showing my approval (maybe I
> misunderstood that scene). I've got a small arsenal here... as an ex-grunt,
> I like talking guns... look forward to comparing notes next July. ;-)
>
> Harumphing... LOL!
>
>
> Ryan Mueller wrote:
> > It's ok Mark. I've got more than enough of those to make up for your
> harumphing. ;)
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=265914#265914
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Isn't that something ya do with cows or am I way outs line here?=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net>=0AT
o: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 4:46:20 P
M=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: centersection flop=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List
message posted by: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>=0A=0ANot sure if you underst
ood, Ryan... harumph in our neck of the woods is a good thing.- As in Bla
zing Saddles, I am showing my approval (maybe I misunderstood that scene).
- I've got a small arsenal here... as an ex-grunt, I like talking guns...
look forward to comparing notes next July.- ;-)=0A=0AHarumphing... LOL!
=0A=0A=0ARyan Mueller wrote:=0A> It's ok Mark. I've got more than enough of
those to make up for your- harumphing.- ;)=0A=0A=0A--------=0AMark - w
orking on wings=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://f
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| Subject: | Re: centersection flop |
For those who have never seen it, here is the Harumph scene from Blazing Saddles. Kind of reminds you of how things are going nowadays. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-cje17OGnQ&NR=1
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett 612 Leading Edge |
Ken,
I figured that the original size spars would work with blocks.
What are you planning to do for the leading edge? It looks like it
would be a little tall for Mike Cuy's banister stock.
Cave
Ken Howe wrote:
> I am building my 612 ribs to use the standard 4 3/4" tall spars. The rear
> spar fits in just right, with a little space for a wedge to be inserted
> between the top of the spar and the rib. The front of the rib is, as you
> note, quite a bit taller where the front spar goes. I've designed my truss
> to insert a small block under the spar so that the space betwen the block
> and the top capstrip is 4 3/4". I'd posted a few pictures a month or 2 back
> to the list so you might find them in the archives. I don't have any of my
> pictures here at work, so I've whipped out a quick and dirty sketch to show
> what I've done.
>
> On the Riblett section, there is more of a curve in the leading edge of the
> bottom capstrip. I didn't feel comfortable dry fitting my strips into the
> jig with that much bend, so I am pre-bending the bottom strips similar to
> what is done for the top strip.
>
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| Subject: | Re: using brakes |
Mark
I sure am hoping to. I need to close out the book on Catoosa for ths year and October
is a great time to do that. If I do will you be able to get Markle to meet
up with us for beer and lies?
Nothing better than your hanger beer Markles fabrications and me taking a good
ole manly Johnson scratch. It just don't get any better than that. However if
Markle can't make it I can still scratch drink and tell lies about him!
So that shouldn't be a problem. Like we say in se pa vee vill keep yall posted
Jakey.
John
------Original Message------
From: Mark Chunard
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Sent: Oct 1, 2009 5:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: using brakes
LMAO!! John, you've got issues.
Hey, are you coming to the Port o' Catoosa this month?
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| Subject: | Re: centersection flop |
Paul,
Just a polite reminder....
Proper etiquette dictates that any Blazing Saddles post must be accompanied
by the campfire scene as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6dm9rN6oTs
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6dm9rN6oTs>Thanks. :P
do not archive
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Paul N. Peckham
<peckham9@countryspeed.com>wrote:
> peckham9@countryspeed.com>
>
> For those who have never seen it, here is the Harumph scene from Blazing
> Saddles. Kind of reminds you of how things are going nowadays.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-cje17OGnQ&NR=1
>
> Paul
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=265930#265930
>
>
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| Subject: | reinforced "end" ribs |
I've seen a lot of people mention to add 1/16"th ply to reinforce the end r
ibs of each wing panel and center section. I don't see this anywhere in th
e plans - is it only to terminate the covering or is there another reason.
The plans call for extra braces... Also=2C it calls for 1 1/4" x 1/16"thk
. ply to be added to the top of the center section and inboard end ribs. T
he center section plans call out 3/16" thk. capstrip in this area - my ribs
are all 1/4 x 1/2. Will adding 1/16" to the top be a problem?
Thanks=2C
Tom B.
Brooklyn Park=2C MN
working on the center section
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| Subject: | Re: using brakes |
One more thing.... compared to no brakes installed, they'll lower your
insurance costs.
David Paule
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From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes
wow dis here brake thing sure am confusing, and the need seems to be
growing much furder and furder, I wonder if dey may even be used fer
slowin down?
Lets review the list of needs:
parking
run up
fuel
problems on landing
fast approach on a short field
high approach
Reduction of orbit for reentry
ground travel (taxi to hitting the gulfstream)
pavement rolling forever
any others we can add to the list of limited, unnecessary and
auxiliary brake usage ?
In a message dated 10/1/2009 4:19:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes:
Well, when you need the brakes, you really NEED them. Like when you
are taxiing along and a Gulfstream pulls out in front of you (that
$100,000 liability policy you have will almost buy the aileron on a
Gulfstream). As Don said, if you put wire wheels on, those things will
just about roll forever on pavement. I=99ve had more problems
with the brakes than all other problems put together on my plane, but I
still am glad I have =98em.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 3:50 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes
Thanks guys, all good information in the planning.
Why so much previous discussion about brakes, cart brakes, hubs,
mechanical vs juice, friction if the entire braking need is relegated to
taxi, fueling and parking and on a limited basis. seems like a lot of
unnecessary work for no benefit according too the comments of today.
The good news is it takes another issue of concern off the table and
allows me more concentration on the important issues like continued un
interrupted building, saw dust, engine and firewall.
Thanks
John
safe in the morning and so far, we shall see about the rest of the
day!
In a message dated 10/1/2009 3:38:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov writes:
Same here as Jack. I only use my brakes when I=99m below
10 mph to facilitate slowing to make a u-turn on the runway or when
coming up to the gas pump or inching along for takeoff in line or
lastly, on runup.
I rarely ever touch my brakes on the runway, except to turn
around. Others flying Pietenpols, what about you?
Jack Philllips
I don=99t even use my brakes when doing a 180 turn or 360
turn to look around the pattern before takeoff
for traffic=94the steerable tailwheel with full rudder bar
deflection one way or the other works fine.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: using brakes |
No brakes installed on NX18235. In 200 hours I haven't ever felt a need
for them. I do the run-up during taxi and use up elevator to increase
drag on the skid. Staying alert and knowing the limitations helps a lot.
I generally avoid airports that attract Gulfstreams.....
Greg C.
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Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes
wow dis here brake thing sure am confusing, and the need seems to be
growing much furder and furder, I wonder if dey may even be used fer
slowin down?
Lets review the list of needs:
parking
run up
fuel
problems on landing
fast approach on a short field
high approach
Reduction of orbit for reentry
ground travel (taxi to hitting the gulfstream)
pavement rolling forever
any others we can add to the list of limited, unnecessary and
auxiliary brake usage ?
In a message dated 10/1/2009 4:19:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes:
Well, when you need the brakes, you really NEED them. Like when you
are taxiing along and a Gulfstream pulls out in front of you (that
$100,000 liability policy you have will almost buy the aileron on a
Gulfstream). As Don said, if you put wire wheels on, those things will
just about roll forever on pavement. I=99ve had more problems
with the brakes than all other problems put together on my plane, but I
still am glad I have =98em.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 3:50 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes
Thanks guys, all good information in the planning.
Why so much previous discussion about brakes, cart brakes, hubs,
mechanical vs juice, friction if the entire braking need is relegated to
taxi, fueling and parking and on a limited basis. seems like a lot of
unnecessary work for no benefit according too the comments of today.
The good news is it takes another issue of concern off the table and
allows me more concentration on the important issues like continued un
interrupted building, saw dust, engine and firewall.
Thanks
John
safe in the morning and so far, we shall see about the rest of the
day!
In a message dated 10/1/2009 3:38:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov writes:
Same here as Jack. I only use my brakes when I=99m below
10 mph to facilitate slowing to make a u-turn on the runway or when
coming up to the gas pump or inching along for takeoff in line or
lastly, on runup.
I rarely ever touch my brakes on the runway, except to turn
around. Others flying Pietenpols, what about you?
Jack Philllips
I don=99t even use my brakes when doing a 180 turn or 360
turn to look around the pattern before takeoff
for traffic=94the steerable tailwheel with full rudder bar
deflection one way or the other works fine.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: centersection flop |
I=92m pretty sure it=92s a LOT funnier with ample portions of Pale Ale,
too=85
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down=85)
Definitely do not archive
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amsafetyc@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: centersection flop
Gee does that mean? "someones got to go back and git a shit load of
dimes"
The sheriff is a nIiiii bong
So rich with material but does not answer all of the questions in life
John
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From: Ryan Mueller
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: centersection flop
Paul,
Just a polite reminder....
Proper etiquette dictates that any Blazing Saddles post must be
accompanied
by the campfire scene as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6dm9rN6oTs
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6dm9rN6oTs> Thanks. :P
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On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Paul N. Peckham
<peckham9@countryspeed.com>
wrote:
<peckham9@countryspeed.com>
For those who have never seen it, here is the Harumph scene from Blazing
Saddles. Kind of reminds you of how things are going nowadays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-cje17OGnQ
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-cje17OGnQ&NR=1> &NR=1
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett 612 Leading Edge |
When I originally drew out the section (using DesignCAD) at the front
spar location it measured a little over 5 1/4" tall between the
capstrips. So my block just takes up that extra 1/2" or so.
For the leading edge, if I can't find a hand rail that looks right I
figured I use the classical method. I'll rib a couple angled cuts from
appropriately sized strips of pine, fir, hemlock or whatever I can find,
then hand plane them to rounded sections. Making those long curled
shavings sounds like it might be kind of satisfying. I enjoy working
with hand tools when it's appropriate - planing, OK; making those long
angled rip cuts, time for power tools.
--Ken
Dave and Connie wrote:
> <dmatt@frontiernet.net>
>
> Ken,
>
> I figured that the original size spars would work with blocks.
>
> What are you planning to do for the leading edge? It looks like it
> would be a little tall for Mike Cuy's banister stock.
>
> Cave
>
>
> Ken Howe wrote:
>> I am building my 612 ribs to use the standard 4 3/4" tall spars. The rear
>> spar fits in just right, with a little space for a wedge to be inserted
>> between the top of the spar and the rib. The front of the rib is, as you
>> note, quite a bit taller where the front spar goes. I've designed my
>> truss
>> to insert a small block under the spar so that the space betwen the block
>> and the top capstrip is 4 3/4". I'd posted a few pictures a month or 2
>> back
>> to the list so you might find them in the archives. I don't have any
>> of my
>> pictures here at work, so I've whipped out a quick and dirty sketch to
>> show
>> what I've done.
>>
>> On the Riblett section, there is more of a curve in the leading edge
>> of the
>> bottom capstrip. I didn't feel comfortable dry fitting my strips into the
>> jig with that much bend, so I am pre-bending the bottom strips similar to
>> what is done for the top strip.
>>
>> -
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett 612 Leading Edge |
Yes I went through a divorce and ended up in an apartment, my ex-wife cut
the work bench
in half I also loss my job, now I have a work bench, a job and garage again,
the ribs come down
from the my mom's attic and I am now starting again exactly where I left
off.
Russell
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Ken Howe <ken@cooper-mtn.com> wrote:
>
> When I originally drew out the section (using DesignCAD) at the front spar
> location it measured a little over 5 1/4" tall between the capstrips. So my
> block just takes up that extra 1/2" or so.
>
> For the leading edge, if I can't find a hand rail that looks right I
> figured I use the classical method. I'll rib a couple angled cuts from
> appropriately sized strips of pine, fir, hemlock or whatever I can find,
> then hand plane them to rounded sections. Making those long curled shavings
> sounds like it might be kind of satisfying. I enjoy working with hand tools
> when it's appropriate - planing, OK; making those long angled rip cuts, time
> for power tools.
>
> --Ken
>
>
> Dave and Connie wrote:
>
>> dmatt@frontiernet.net>
>>
>> Ken,
>>
>> I figured that the original size spars would work with blocks.
>>
>> What are you planning to do for the leading edge? It looks like it would
>> be a little tall for Mike Cuy's banister stock.
>>
>> Cave
>>
>>
>> Ken Howe wrote:
>>
>>> I am building my 612 ribs to use the standard 4 3/4" tall spars. The rear
>>> spar fits in just right, with a little space for a wedge to be inserted
>>> between the top of the spar and the rib. The front of the rib is, as you
>>> note, quite a bit taller where the front spar goes. I've designed my
>>> truss
>>> to insert a small block under the spar so that the space betwen the block
>>> and the top capstrip is 4 3/4". I'd posted a few pictures a month or 2
>>> back
>>> to the list so you might find them in the archives. I don't have any of
>>> my
>>> pictures here at work, so I've whipped out a quick and dirty sketch to
>>> show
>>> what I've done.
>>>
>>> On the Riblett section, there is more of a curve in the leading edge of
>>> the
>>> bottom capstrip. I didn't feel comfortable dry fitting my strips into the
>>> jig with that much bend, so I am pre-bending the bottom strips similar to
>>> what is done for the top strip.
>>>
>>> -
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett 612 Leading Edge |
You got me curious so I went and checked my drawings. Here's a screen
capture of CAD program that shows how I build up the truss and support
block at the front spar. Shows it a bit better than that sketch I dew up
this morning.
--Ken
Dave and Connie wrote:
> <dmatt@frontiernet.net>
>
> Ken,
>
> I figured that the original size spars would work with blocks.
>
> What are you planning to do for the leading edge? It looks like it
> would be a little tall for Mike Cuy's banister stock.
>
> Cave
>
>
> Ken Howe wrote:
>> I am building my 612 ribs to use the standard 4 3/4" tall spars. The rear
>> spar fits in just right, with a little space for a wedge to be inserted
>> between the top of the spar and the rib. The front of the rib is, as you
>> note, quite a bit taller where the front spar goes. I've designed my
>> truss
>> to insert a small block under the spar so that the space betwen the block
>> and the top capstrip is 4 3/4". I'd posted a few pictures a month or 2
>> back
>> to the list so you might find them in the archives. I don't have any
>> of my
>> pictures here at work, so I've whipped out a quick and dirty sketch to
>> show
>> what I've done.
>>
>> On the Riblett section, there is more of a curve in the leading edge
>> of the
>> bottom capstrip. I didn't feel comfortable dry fitting my strips into the
>> jig with that much bend, so I am pre-bending the bottom strips similar to
>> what is done for the top strip.
>>
>> -
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: starter for no-electrics engines |
I'll just show two pictures in two different posts. The first picture is of the
modified 18v drill (yellow) enclosed in an aluminum box fastened to the firewall.
The bottom of the picture shows the battery missing (being charged) but
there is a rod going from the bottom of the drill through the firewall to a "T"
handle located on the instrument panel. As the "T" handle is pulled the drill
bottom pivots towards the firewall and at the same time turns the drill on.
The modified top of the drill pivots towards the prop pushing a shaft with
a starter gear on the end of it. The spinning gear is pushed forward engaging
the starter ring which starts the engine. The starter gear is some sort of bendix
arrangement which prevents the running motor from tearing the gear off while
it is engaged.
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| Subject: | Re: starter for no-electrics engines |
My second picture is of the starting gear and ring on the front (prop removed).
The clearer of the two pictures but I was in a dark hangar taking pictures with
a cell phone. If I can clarify anything, just let me know
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett 612 Leading Edge |
You aren't the only one here who has had a practice wife!
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Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
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On Oct 1, 2009, at 8:22 PM, Robert Ray wrote:
> Yes I went through a divorce and ended up in an apartment, my ex-
> wife cut the work bench
> in half I also loss my job, now I have a work bench, a job and
> garage again, the ribs come down
> from the my mom's attic and I am now starting again exactly where I
> left off.
>
> Russell
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Ken Howe <ken@cooper-mtn.com> wrote:
>
> When I originally drew out the section (using DesignCAD) at the
> front spar location it measured a little over 5 1/4" tall between
> the capstrips. So my block just takes up that extra 1/2" or so.
>
> For the leading edge, if I can't find a hand rail that looks right I
> figured I use the classical method. I'll rib a couple angled cuts
> from appropriately sized strips of pine, fir, hemlock or whatever I
> can find, then hand plane them to rounded sections. Making those
> long curled shavings sounds like it might be kind of satisfying. I
> enjoy working with hand tools when it's appropriate - planing, OK;
> making those long angled rip cuts, time for power tools.
>
> --Ken
>
>
> Dave and Connie wrote:
> >
>
> Ken,
>
> I figured that the original size spars would work with blocks.
>
> What are you planning to do for the leading edge? It looks like it
> would be a little tall for Mike Cuy's banister stock.
>
> Cave
>
>
> Ken Howe wrote:
> I am building my 612 ribs to use the standard 4 3/4" tall spars. The
> rear
> spar fits in just right, with a little space for a wedge to be
> inserted
> between the top of the spar and the rib. The front of the rib is, as
> you
> note, quite a bit taller where the front spar goes. I've designed my
> truss
> to insert a small block under the spar so that the space betwen the
> block
> and the top capstrip is 4 3/4". I'd posted a few pictures a month or
> 2 back
> to the list so you might find them in the archives. I don't have
> any of my
> pictures here at work, so I've whipped out a quick and dirty sketch
> to show
> what I've done.
>
> On the Riblett section, there is more of a curve in the leading edge
> of the
> bottom capstrip. I didn't feel comfortable dry fitting my strips
> into the
> jig with that much bend, so I am pre-bending the bottom strips
> similar to
> what is done for the top strip.
>
> -
>
>
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The camera work isn't as good as Jack's video and there aren't any deer,
but it's still not a bad way to spend 5 minutes of your life:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj6ycRzzO20
Hope you enjoy,
Dan
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Just to clarify, that gent in the rear cockpit made of fast-twitch muscle
would be Mr. Dan Yocum; doing all the work too!
Thanks for sharing Dan, excellent vid. How many more hours til your freed?
Ryan
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On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> wrote:
>
> The camera work isn't as good as Jack's video and there aren't any deer,
> but it's still not a bad way to spend 5 minutes of your life:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj6ycRzzO20
>
> Hope you enjoy,
> Dan
>
>
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> Fermilab 630.840.6509
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That's great, Dan! Glad to see you enjoying yourself...I think that video
reflects my memories of wind and noise from my ride at Brodhead with Greg.
The quality is just fine.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 6:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 5 minutes
The camera work isn't as good as Jack's video and there aren't any deer,
but it's still not a bad way to spend 5 minutes of your life:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj6ycRzzO20
Hope you enjoy,
Dan
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There used to be a lot more bugs in northern Illinois, didn't there?
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 6:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 5 minutes
The camera work isn't as good as Jack's video and there aren't any deer, but
it's still not a bad way to spend 5 minutes of your life:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj6ycRzzO20
Hope you enjoy,
Dan
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| Subject: | Landing at Airports with Gulfstreams... |
While flying home from OSH I was leading our group of four. The group included
two other Piets, Frank Pavliga and Gary Bell and Bill See in an Aeronca. We
ran into some rain near Ft. Wayne, Indiana and had to divert to the north. I
headed toward Auburn, IN. They have a huge and wide paved runway. While coming
down final I looked toward the grass that ran between the runway and taxiway.
I thought it looked awful inviting. So between the cross taxiways I came
in over some taxi lights and set it down in the grass. As I was rolling along
in some beautiful grass wondering why they even had to put the pavement in, I
glanced over at the taxiway beside me and saw a row of very surprised individuals,
including a pilot, all staring at me while comfortably seated in a large
and gorgeous Gulfstream. I waved at them all. As I rolled up on the taxiway
pavement I looked back to see the other three guys following suit and all landing
beside the taxiway too. I'm sure it became quite a topic of discussion inside
the beautiful Gulfstream, both among the pilots and the non pilot passengers,
that these little airplanes were missing the runway! Sometimes my little
airplane makes me smile in many more ways than one!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Excellent video Dan and nice, nice smooth landing at Dacy. That is one nice
grass airport. Landed there for gas one year enroute to Wisconsin.
Thanks for sharing that video. You fly lower than Jack P. and I did under a lowering
cloud deck enroute to Dodge Co. Juneau, WI after Brodhead.
Must not be any cell phone towers around there.
Mike C.
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Santiago:
I'm sure you know this, but since you have cabane brace
tubes going forward to the engine mount points, you don't
need the X-brace wires on the side, between the cabanes.
You could remove them and save some weight.
Hermosa, la maquina tuya...
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett 612 Leading Edge |
Ken,
Thanks. The angles will help when I loft mine. Is there a chance that
you could send me a copy of your cad file? It would save a bunch of time.
Dave
Ken Howe wrote:
> You got me curious so I went and checked my drawings. Here's a screen
> capture of CAD program that shows how I build up the truss and support
> block at the front spar. Shows it a bit better than that sketch I dew
> up this morning.
>
> --Ken
>
> Dave and Connie wrote:
>> <dmatt@frontiernet.net>
>>
>> Ken,
>>
>> I figured that the original size spars would work with blocks.
>>
>> What are you planning to do for the leading edge? It looks like it
>> would be a little tall for Mike Cuy's banister stock.
>>
>> Cave
>>
>>
>> Ken Howe wrote:
>>> I am building my 612 ribs to use the standard 4 3/4" tall spars. The
>>> rear
>>> spar fits in just right, with a little space for a wedge to be inserted
>>> between the top of the spar and the rib. The front of the rib is, as
>>> you
>>> note, quite a bit taller where the front spar goes. I've designed my
>>> truss
>>> to insert a small block under the spar so that the space betwen the
>>> block
>>> and the top capstrip is 4 3/4". I'd posted a few pictures a month or
>>> 2 back
>>> to the list so you might find them in the archives. I don't have
>>> any of my
>>> pictures here at work, so I've whipped out a quick and dirty sketch
>>> to show
>>> what I've done.
>>>
>>> On the Riblett section, there is more of a curve in the leading edge
>>> of the
>>> bottom capstrip. I didn't feel comfortable dry fitting my strips
>>> into the
>>> jig with that much bend, so I am pre-bending the bottom strips
>>> similar to
>>> what is done for the top strip.
>>>
>>> -
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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>
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>
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: centersection flop |
11B1P
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Mark - working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: using brakes |
You bet, beers and BS. As for the Markle... I have no idea if he will join us.
He's a slippery fella... you know, being the scoundrel that he is. He is certainly
welcome any time.
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You bet, beers and BS. As for the Markle... I have no idea if he will join us.
He's a slippery fella... you know, being the scoundrel that he is. He is certainly
welcome any time.
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| Subject: | Re: using brakes |
You bet, beers and BS. As for the Markle... I have no idea if he will join us.
He's a slippery fella... you know, being the scoundrel that he is. He is certainly
welcome any time.
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| Subject: | Re: centersection flop |
I hear that the Blazing Saddles campfire scene is real similar to the west side
of the field at Brodhead.
"Knock on barbed wire before entering"
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| Subject: | Re: using brakes |
One more;so ya don't hit that thar gas pump as ya come up to it!=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "AMsafetyC@aol.com" <AMsafet
yC@aol.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, October 1,
2009 4:31:43 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes=0A=0Awow dis h
ere brake thing sure am confusing, and the need seems to be growing much fu
rder and furder, I wonder if dey may even be used=C2-fer slowin down?=0A
=0ALets review the list of needs:=0A=0Aparking =0Arun up=0Afuel=0Aproblems
on landing=0Afast approach on a short field=0Ahigh approach=0AReduction of
orbit for reentry=0Aground travel (taxi to hitting the gulfstream)=0Apaveme
nt rolling forever=0A=0Aany others we can add to the list of limited, unnec
essary and auxiliary brake usage=C2-=C2-?=0A=0A=0A=0AIn a message dated
10/1/2009 4:19:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pietflyr@bellsouth.net write
s:=0AWell, when you need the brakes, you really NEED them.=C2- Like when
you are taxiing along and a Gulfstream pulls out in front of you (that $100
,000 liability policy you have will almost buy the aileron on a Gulfstream)
.=C2- As Don said, if you put wire wheels on, those things will just abou
t roll forever on pavement.=C2- I=99ve had more problems with the b
rakes than all other problems put together on my plane, but I still am glad
I have =98em.=0A>=C2-=0A>Jack Phillips=0A>NX899JP=0A>Raleigh, NC
=0A>=C2-=0A>=0A________________________________=0A=0A>From:owner-pietenpo
l-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.
com ] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com=0A>Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 3:
50 PM=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: u
sing brakes=0A>=C2-=0A>Thanks guys, all good information in the planning.
=0A>=C2-=0A>Why so much previous discussion about brakes, cart brakes, h
ubs, mechanical vs juice, friction=C2-if the entire braking need is releg
ated to taxi, fueling=C2-and parking and on a limited basis. seems like a
lot of unnecessary work for no benefit according too the comments of today
.=0A>=C2-=0A>The good news is it takes another issue of concern off the t
able and allows me=C2-more concentration on the important issues like con
tinued un interrupted building, saw dust, engine and firewall.=0A>=C2-=0A
>Thanks=0A>=C2-=0A>John=0A>=C2-=0A>safe in the morning and so far, we s
hall see about the rest of the day!=0A>=C2-=0A>In a message dated 10/1/20
09 3:38:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov writes:=0A>Sa
me here as Jack.=C2-=C2-=C2- I only use my brakes when I=99m be
low 10 mph to facilitate slowing to make a u-turn on the runway or when com
ing up to the gas pump or inching along for takeoff in line or lastly, on r
unup.=C2- =0A>>=C2-=0A>>I rarely ever touch my brakes on the runway, ex
cept to turn around.=C2- Others flying Pietenpols, what about you?=C2-
=0A>>Jack Philllips=0A>>=C2-=0A>>I don=99t even use my brakes when
doing a 180 turn or 360 turn to look around the pattern before takeoff=0A>>
for traffic=94the steerable tailwheel with full rudder bar deflection
one way or the other works fine.=C2- =0A>>=C2-=0A>>Mike C. =0A>> =C2
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| Subject: | Re: centersection flop |
Ryan,
Sorry about the breach of etiquette, but I figured anytime somebody mentions Blazing
Saddles, the campfire scene is the first thing they think of. And come to
think of it, I did hear something, and then smelled something awful coming from
the west side of the field at Brodhead airport (I was on the east side).
Well, enough of that. "Rest your sphincters."
Paul
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Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
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| Subject: | Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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| Subject: | Re: Staple Gun do not archive |
Since you really only want to locate the gusset and have it stay where
you put it go buy a 22 guage pin nailer. The things are
so small you can't see where you put em! You can pop in
lots of the things and won't add more than an ounce to the
entire plane.
Clif
Starting to build wing rigs, and wanted to know where you can bet the
light duty staple gun I think most use. I believe it takes conventional
office staples used for paper. If you know, please provide the source,
part number, and latest price if known.
Thanks,
Mark
Lake City, FL
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