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1. 03:52 AM - Re: Corvair Cowl Info 5 (kevinpurtee)
2. 04:07 AM - Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need (helspersew@aol.com)
3. 04:09 AM - Re: Cowl photo JPGs (Richard O Carden)
4. 05:53 AM - PIETEN-38 (JERRY GROGAN)
5. 06:26 AM - Re: PIETEN-38 (Bill Church)
6. 07:47 AM - Re: PIETEN-38 (Michael Perez)
7. 08:00 AM - off topic: airways beacon question (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
8. 08:10 AM - Re: Corvair Cowl Info 3 (Jim Markle)
9. 09:48 AM - Re: Corvair Cowl Info 6 - Last One (Tim Willis)
10. 10:02 AM - Re: off topic: airways beacon question (Jack)
11. 10:09 AM - Re: Corvair Cowl Info 3 (kevinpurtee)
12. 10:13 AM - Re: off topic: airways beacon question (Michael Perez)
13. 10:19 AM - Re: Corvair Cowl Info 6 - Last One (kevinpurtee)
14. 11:12 AM - Re: off topic: airways beacon question (Isablcorky@aol.com)
15. 01:00 PM - Re: Red Betsy? (Pieti Lowell)
16. 01:04 PM - Re: off topic: airways beacon question (Jim Ash)
17. 01:12 PM - Re: Re: Red Betsy? (Jeff Boatright)
18. 01:12 PM - pro-builds (Lawrence Williams)
19. 01:25 PM - Re: off topic: airways beacon question (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
20. 01:25 PM - Re: Re: Red Betsy? (Gary Boothe)
21. 02:54 PM - Re: off topic: airways beacon question (taildrags)
22. 02:59 PM - Re: pro-builds (Dan Yocum)
23. 03:05 PM - Re: Re: Red Betsy? (Max Hegler)
24. 03:54 PM - Re: off topic: airways beacon question (VAHOWDY@aol.com)
25. 03:58 PM - It's a plane (airlion)
26. 04:13 PM - Re: It's a plane (gboothe5@comcast.net)
27. 04:24 PM - Re: It's a plane (Ryan Mueller)
28. 04:35 PM - First flight for NX866BC too (Ben Charvet)
29. 04:45 PM - Re: First flight for NX866BC too (airlion)
30. 05:48 PM - Re: pro-builds (Don Emch)
31. 05:52 PM - Re: It's a plane (Rick Holland)
32. 06:02 PM - Re: It's a plane (Jack)
33. 06:15 PM - Fw: First flight pictures (airlion)
34. 06:21 PM - Video of First Takeoff (Ben Charvet)
35. 06:22 PM - Re: Re: pro-builds (Ben Charvet)
36. 06:46 PM - Re: PIETEN-38 (shad bell)
37. 07:03 PM - Re: First flight for NX866BC too (Jerry Dotson)
38. 07:18 PM - Re: It's a plane (Jack Phillips)
39. 07:18 PM - Re: off topic: airways beacon question (Jerry Dotson)
40. 07:21 PM - Re: First flight for NX866BC too (Jack Phillips)
41. 07:36 PM - Re: Video of First Takeoff (flea)
42. 08:42 PM - Re: Video of First Takeoff (H RULE)
43. 09:44 PM - Re: First flight for NX866BC too (Ryan Mueller)
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Cowl Info 5 |
Two part poly-fiber primer & then poly-fiber enamel.
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| Subject: | Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need |
Here is another one. The smelly, dirty camel's nose is trying to get into
the tent. Coming to your town soon. http://www.eaa.org/news/2010/2010-
02-18_owners.asp
do not archive
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From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] <michael.d.cu
y@nasa.gov>
Sent: Thu, Feb 18, 2010 12:31 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: here goes--just what small planes didn't need
Now we=99ll be banned from flying little planes around office buildi
ngs with more than 2 stories.
I can see some FAA rule being passed yet again to stop the threat of us li
ttle aeroplanes
doing damage.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586581,00.html
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| Subject: | Re: Cowl photo JPGs |
Kevin:
Posting the cowl detail photos as JPGs was a terrific idea; far better than having
to root around in the archives.
Thanks for sharing!
Dick Carden
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> 1. 12:58 AM - Re: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming leather
(Gerry Holland)
> 2. 09:20 AM - Re: Re: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming
leathe (Michael Perez)
> 3. 09:50 AM - Re: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming leather
(Tim Willis)
> 4. 10:33 AM - here goes--just what small planes didn't need (Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
> 5. 10:40 AM - Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need (CozyGirrrl@aol.com)
> 6. 10:41 AM - Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need (helspersew@aol.com)
> 7. 10:42 AM - Red Betsy? (Jim Ash)
> 8. 10:50 AM - Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need (Gary Boothe)
> 9. 11:00 AM - Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need (Dortch,
Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
> 10. 11:04 AM - Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need (Isablcorky@aol.com)
> 11. 11:22 AM - the guy had beefs with the IRS and US Gov't (Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
> 12. 11:23 AM - Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need (CozyGirrrl@aol.com)
> 13. 11:41 AM - Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need (Gerry Holland)
> 14. 11:42 AM - Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need (flea)
> 15. 11:44 AM - Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need (flea)
> 16. 01:13 PM - PIETEN-38 (JERRY GROGAN)
> 17. 01:30 PM - Re: PIETEN-38 (taildrags)
> 18. 01:31 PM - Re: PIETEN-38 (Jack Phillips)
> 19. 01:34 PM - Re: PIETEN-38 (Gary Boothe)
> 20. 01:43 PM - Re: Re: PIETEN-38 (Ed G.)
> 21. 01:49 PM - Re: PIETEN-38 (TOM STINEMETZE)
> 22. 01:59 PM - Re: PIETEN-38 (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
> 23. 02:03 PM - Introduction and invite from John Gaertner (John Gaertner)
> 24. 02:10 PM - Re: PIETEN-38 (Bill Church)
> 25. 02:24 PM - Re: Introduction and invite from John Gaertner (Jeff Boatright)
> 26. 02:26 PM - Re: PIETEN-38 (Wayne Bressler)
> 27. 02:34 PM - Re: the guy had beefs with the IRS and US Gov't (bryan green)
> 28. 02:35 PM - Re: Introduction and invite from John Gaertner (John Gaertner)
> 29. 02:38 PM - Re: PIETEN-38 (Gary Boothe)
> 30. 03:55 PM - Sky Scout? (Michael Silvius)
> 31. 04:10 PM - Re: Sky Scout? (Gene Rambo)
> 32. 04:23 PM - Re: Sky Scout? (Gary Boothe)
> 33. 04:41 PM - Re: Sky Scout? (Kip and Beth Gardner)
> 34. 04:41 PM - Re: the guy had beefs with the IRS and US Gov't (Kip and Beth
Gardner)
> 35. 04:45 PM - Re: Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need (Rick
Holland)
> 36. 04:46 PM - Re: Re: PIETEN-38 (Rick Holland)
> 37. 05:26 PM - Re: Sky Scout? (Wayne Bressler)
> 38. 05:26 PM - Re: Sky Scout? (Wayne Bressler)
> 39. 06:12 PM - Re: PIETEN-38 (Jack)
> 40. 07:27 PM - Corvair Cowl Info 1 (kevinpurtee)
> 41. 07:28 PM - Corvair Cowl Info 2 (kevinpurtee)
> 42. 07:29 PM - Corvair Cowl Info 3 (kevinpurtee)
> 43. 07:30 PM - Corvair Cowl Info 4 (kevinpurtee)
> 44. 07:32 PM - Corvair Cowl Info 5 (kevinpurtee)
> 45. 07:33 PM - Corvair Cowl Info 6 - Last One (kevinpurtee)
> 46. 07:41 PM - Re: Corvair Cowl Info 5 (Rick Holland)
> 47. 07:43 PM - Re: PIETEN-38 (Clif Dawson)
> 48. 07:54 PM - Re: Red Betsy? (Pieti Lowell)
> 49. 11:50 PM - Re: Red Betsy? (ivan.todorovic)
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> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
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> Time: 12:58:27 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming
> leather
> From: Gerry Holland <gholland@content-stream.co.uk>
>
> Dan Hi!
> Coaming looks great. Not sure about the Pilot!
> The saving grace is the PROPER Bib type work wear! That=B9s why it all worked
> out well!
> I start on my version very soon so thanks for the detail of the job and the
> continuing inspiration.
> Regards
> Gerry
>
> Gerry Holland
> 07808 402404
> gholland@content-stream.co.uk
>
> Based at White Ox Mead, Near Bath, UK
>
>
> do not archive
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
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> Time: 09:20:57 AM PST US
> From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with
> coaming leathe
>
> Nice to see how it fits. I am about that same size, (5'9" 165#)- My seat
> is lower then plans because I plan on using some thicker foam to sit on. To
> find the height I want, I'll just change the foam.
> -
> Looks nice!
>
> --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>
> From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Quell those fears- shoulder interference w
> ith coaming leathe
>
>
>
> Well, I'm 5' 8" also and 155 lb. I sit almost exactly the
> same with a 1" foam on the seat.
>
> Clif
>
> "My soul is in the sky." ~ William Shakespeare
>
>
>>
>> I've got to agree with that... I'm pretty sure I'll be sticking waaay out
> ,
>> - >
>> taildrags wrote:
>>> Dan; I'm actually kind of surprised that you sit so low in the cockpit.
>
>>> I don't have my airplane here at the moment or I'd go out and check, but
>
>>> it seems like I sit quite a bit higher in the cockpit than your picture
>
>>> shows.- Your cockpit looks like a GREAT fit!
>>
>>
>> --------
>> Mark - working on wings
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286892#286892
>>
>>
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> Time: 09:50:05 AM PST US
> From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming
> leather
>
>
> Dan,
>
> It looks like your position ~ your coaming, your clothing (insulated coveralls?)
> and your facial array are all set for winter flying. BRRR!
> The metal and leather look great, and you look well and pleased with it all.
Good
> for you.
> Tim in central TX
> do not achive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: helspersew@aol.com
> Sent: Feb 17, 2010 8:20 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Quell those fears- shoulder interference with coaming
> leather
>
>
> Hello all you good people, (an assumption)
>
> There was a question raised, about how one's shoulders and upper torso would
interfere
> with the "pit"- shaped leather that forms the oval perimeter of the coaming
> on the Piet. Here is a photo of how it looks on a handsome, 150 lb. man,
> 5'-8" tall.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL
>
> please archive... very important
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:33:42 AM PST US
> From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: here goes--just what small planes didn't need
>
> Now we'll be banned from flying little planes around office buildings with
> more than 2 stories.
> I can see some FAA rule being passed yet again to stop the threat of us lit
> tle aeroplanes
> doing damage.
>
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586581,00.html
>
> do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:40:39 AM PST US
> From: CozyGirrrl@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: here goes--just what small planes didn't need
>
> Nah, only if you owe taxes or about to be audited =)
>
>
> In a message dated 2/18/2010 12:35:08 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov writes:
>
> Now we=99ll be banned from flying little planes around office buildi
> ngs with
> more than 2 stories.
> I can see some FAA rule being passed yet again to stop the threat of us
>
> little aeroplanes
> doing damage.
>
>
> _http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586581,00.html_
> (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586581,00.html)
>
> do not archive
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> Time: 10:41:58 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: here goes--just what small planes didn't need
> From: helspersew@aol.com
>
>
> The answer is obvious- mandatory fences (with barbed wire) around all airp
> orts, Gov't security guards to interviewv all pilots as to state of mind
> before flight.
>
> do not archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] <michael.d.cu
> y@nasa.gov>
> Sent: Thu, Feb 18, 2010 12:31 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: here goes--just what small planes didn't need
>
>
> Now we=99ll be banned from flying little planes around office buildi
> ngs with more than 2 stories.
> I can see some FAA rule being passed yet again to stop the threat of us li
> ttle aeroplanes
> doing damage.
>
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586581,00.html
>
> do not archive
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> Time: 10:42:12 AM PST US
> From: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Red Betsy?
>
>
>
> A few years back, the topic of a movie called 'Red Betsy' came up on this list.
> I just asked my wife to add it to our NetFlix list, but NetFlix doesn't know
> anything about it.
>
> Does anybody know what happened to this one? I always thought the movie business
> was about 90 percent marketing, but that seems to be the exception here.
>
> Jim
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:50:00 AM PST US
> From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: here goes--just what small planes didn't need
>
> We're OK. It was described as, ".low and fast."
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, CA
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion
>
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
> 18 ribs done
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
> D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:32 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: here goes--just what small planes didn't need
>
>
> Now we'll be banned from flying little planes around office buildings with
> more than 2 stories.
>
> I can see some FAA rule being passed yet again to stop the threat of us
> little aeroplanes
>
> doing damage.
>
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586581,00.html
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:00:41 AM PST US
> From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: here goes--just what small planes didn't need
>
>
> If a revolt starts this guy might be the revolter's first martyr!
>
> Sad thing for him, his family, and General Aviation.
>
> I do think we might need to see what AOPA and the EAA look at for reaction. Should
> we contact our elected reps and remind them that we fly planes and don't hit
> buildings! Indeed a Ryder rental truck could have done a great deal more damage.
>
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:04:42 AM PST US
> From: Isablcorky@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: here goes--just what small planes didn't need
>
> We should be thankful that a Piet wasn't used
>
> ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:22:50 AM PST US
> From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: the guy had beefs with the IRS and US Gov't
>
> Aha-Chrissi called it first. The guy left a suicide note grumbling about
> the IRS and US Gov't.
>
> Evidently he burned his own home down before taking ruining a perfectly goo
> d airplane and parts
> of the IRS building.
>
> do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:23:44 AM PST US
> From: CozyGirrrl@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: here goes--just what small planes didn't need
>
> Well, "Low and slow" might be interpreted as you were trying to sneak up
> on
> the target =)
>
> But then, if they did say low and slow everybody would be looking for the
>
> "Fly'n Chebby"
>
> ...Chrissi
>
>
> In a message dated 2/18/2010 12:52:10 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> gboothe5@comcast.net writes:
>
>
> We=99re OK. It was described as, =9Clow and fast
> =9D
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, CA
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> 18 ribs done
> Do not archive
>
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Mich
> ael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC
> Aerospace Corporation]
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:32 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: here goes--just what small planes didn't need
>
>
> Now we=99ll be banned from flying little planes around office build
> ings with
> more than 2 stories.
>
> I can see some FAA rule being passed yet again to stop the threat of us
>
> little aeroplanes
>
> doing damage.
>
>
> _http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586581,00.html_
> (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586581,00.html)
>
>
> do not archive
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> Time: 11:41:31 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: here goes--just what small planes didn't need
> From: Gerry Holland <gholland@content-stream.co.uk>
>
> The answer is obvious- mandatory fences (with barbed wire) around all
> airports, Gov't security guards to interview all pilots as to state of mind
> before flight.
>
> As ridiculous as Dan=B9s premise sounds, that=B9s exactly what is being
> envisioned here in UK and wider across Europe.
> My simple Airstrip 1700=B9 X 100=B9 and set remotely at 520=B9 elevation way
out
> in country side is muted to maybe require secure fencing and security
> presence through patrolling. I have 3 Aircraft based there. We already have
> an Annual Inspection of Site and Movements book by County Police Department
> responsible for Ports and UK Access. That has not been a problem but again,
> like you where is it going to lead. I hope a level headed investigation goe
> s
> into your incident.
> Regards
> Gerry
>
> Gerry Holland
> 07808 402404
> gholland@content-stream.co.uk
>
> Based at White Ox Mead, Near Bath, UK
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:42:22 AM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need
> From: "flea" <jimgriggs@yahoo.com>
>
>
> We're all going to have to check in two hours before our flight to clear TSA,
and
> only after completion of a flight plan and the mandatory seven day waiting
> period.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287000#287000
>
>
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>
>
> Time: 11:44:01 AM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need
> From: "flea" <jimgriggs@yahoo.com>
>
>
> A ryder truck is cliche'
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287001#287001
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:13:57 PM PST US
> From: "JERRY GROGAN" <jerry@SKYCLASSIC.NET>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: PIETEN-38
>
> In the last month I have a friend building a Pietenpol close to me and
> he had purchased a fuselage already built. I went over to look at his
> airplane and was very jealous. Very nice work. He wanted me to come over
> again and look at the fuselage, but before I had the chance he called me
> up and asked if I wanted it. He was going to build another one. So I
> accepted his offer and I am thinking of replacing my fuselage with the
> one he gave me.
>
> Anyway I told my dad about the extra Pietenpol fuselage I have and he
> just jokingly said put two body's on the plane and fly 4 people. So I
> have been working on the idea and the only problem I see is a little
> stress in the tail when you might land on just one body in a cross wind.
> I have already named the airplane the Pieten-38. It would have 4 sets of
> controls so all could fly the plane. I don't think it would qualify for
> Light Sport anymore because of 4 places and two engines. With the wide
> stance on the ground it should handle quite well. Of course you would
> need a 4 place intercom system so all could talk. And you could instruct
> 3 people at once if they had some ownership of the plane. You could get
> your high performance, twin, and taildrager indorcment all at one time.
> I just haven't decided yet what to do.
>
> I have attached a concept picture
>
> Jerry
>
> ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:30:46 PM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: PIETEN-38
> From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Hah-! That is something else! But why stop there? Put a full panel in it and
> put the thing on floats and get your multi, sea, land, instrument, and everything
> else in it! Only thing lacking would be cowl flaps and controllable pitch
> prop and the horsepower (plus retracts) and you could get your complex, high
> performance too.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> Air Camper NX41CC
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287017#287017
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:31:43 PM PST US
> From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: PIETEN-38
>
> Cool! Two Corvairs gives double the chance of a crankshaft snapping
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JERRY GROGAN
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:09 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: PIETEN-38
>
>
> In the last month I have a friend building a Pietenpol close to me and he
> had purchased a fuselage already built. I went over to look at his airplane
> and was very jealous. Very nice work. He wanted me to come over again and
> look at the fuselage, but before I had the chance he called me up and asked
> if I wanted it. He was going to build another one. So I accepted his offer
> and I am thinking of replacing my fuselage with the one he gave me.
>
> Anyway I told my dad about the extra Pietenpol fuselage I have and he just
> jokingly said put two body's on the plane and fly 4 people. So I have been
> working on the idea and the only problem I see is a little stress in the
> tail when you might land on just one body in a cross wind. I have already
> named the airplane the Pieten-38. It would have 4 sets of controls so all
> could fly the plane. I don't think it would qualify for Light Sport anymore
> because of 4 places and two engines. With the wide stance on the ground it
> should handle quite well. Of course you would need a 4 place intercom system
> so all could talk. And you could instruct 3 people at once if they had some
> ownership of the plane. You could get your high performance, twin, and
> taildrager indorcment all at one time. I just haven't decided yet what to
> do.
>
> I have attached a concept picture
>
> Jerry
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:34:17 PM PST US
> From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: PIETEN-38
>
> Jerry,
>
>
> You get an 'A' for original thinking, but..GOOD HEAVENS, MAN! Isn't one Gary
> & Shad Bell enough?
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, CA
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion
>
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
> 18 ribs done
>
> Do not archive
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JERRY GROGAN
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:09 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: PIETEN-38
>
>
> In the last month I have a friend building a Pietenpol close to me and he
> had purchased a fuselage already built. I went over to look at his airplane
> and was very jealous. Very nice work. He wanted me to come over again and
> look at the fuselage, but before I had the chance he called me up and asked
> if I wanted it. He was going to build another one. So I accepted his offer
> and I am thinking of replacing my fuselage with the one he gave me.
>
> Anyway I told my dad about the extra Pietenpol fuselage I have and he just
> jokingly said put two body's on the plane and fly 4 people. So I have been
> working on the idea and the only problem I see is a little stress in the
> tail when you might land on just one body in a cross wind. I have already
> named the airplane the Pieten-38. It would have 4 sets of controls so all
> could fly the plane. I don't think it would qualify for Light Sport anymore
> because of 4 places and two engines. With the wide stance on the ground it
> should handle quite well. Of course you would need a 4 place intercom system
> so all could talk. And you could instruct 3 people at once if they had some
> ownership of the plane. You could get your high performance, twin, and
> taildrager indorcment all at one time. I just haven't decided yet what to
> do.
>
> I have attached a concept picture
>
> Jerry
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:43:35 PM PST US
> From: "Ed G." <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: PIETEN-38
>
>
> Toushea Oscar... I could see that comeing.....
>
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: PIETEN-38
>> From: taildrags@hotmail.com
>> Date: Thu=2C 18 Feb 2010 13:30:19 -0800
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>
>>
>> Hah-! That is something else! But why stop there? Put a full panel in it
> and put the thing on floats and get your multi=2C sea=2C land=2C instrument
> =2C and everything else in it! Only thing lacking would be cowl flaps and c
> ontrollable pitch prop and the horsepower (plus retracts) and you could get
> your complex=2C high performance too.
>>
>> --------
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> San Antonio=2C TX
>> Air Camper NX41CC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287017#287017
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> ==========
> ==========
> ==========
> ==========
>>
>>
>>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free.
>
> ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:49:23 PM PST US
> From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PIETEN-38
>
> Good one Jerry. Boy I wish I knew whether to take you seriously or not!
> However, to be a true Pieten38 it would have to have a third fuselage in
> the middle where the pilot would sit. THEN it would be a 5-place
> airplane.
>
> Stinemetze
> N328X
>
>
>>> the Pieten-38.
>
> ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:59:00 PM PST US
> From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: PIETEN-38
>
> Nice photoshop work Jerry. Be sure to show us what your paint scheme wi
> ll look like soon, okay ?
> Shad Bell is really going to like being two. One of him can stay home, wa
> tch his child and keep his wife happy and the other of him can go flying an
> d to fly-in's all around the land this summer ! Does this mean Shad get
> s another deduction in 2010 ? I'm seeing double.
> Mike C.
> do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:03:23 PM PST US
> From: John Gaertner <jgaertner1@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Introduction and invite from John Gaertner
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I would like to introduce myself and invite anyone who is interested to visit our blog about our Air Camper build out. Anyone can visit and contribute to the blog at: http://pietenpolbuildingproject.blogspot.com/ .
>
> My firm, Blue Swallow Aircraft, LLC specializes in building historical aircraft
> and parts is helping a local individual with his Model A powered Pietenpol Air
> Camper building project. My background is in the professional aviation museum
> field including a number of years as Curator of the EAA Museum in Oshkosh, home
> of the Pietenpol hangar and planes.
>
> Blue Swallow Aircraft LLC offers comprehensive wood working workshop for aircraft
> builders and covers everything from grading lumber to making steaming jigs
> and routing out profiles. You can learn more about our services at our web site.
>
> I look forward to reading your threads in the coming weeks and months.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> John Gaertner
> Blue Swallow Aircraft, LLC
> www.BlueSwallowAircraft.com
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:10:19 PM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: PIETEN-38
> From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
>
> Well, Jerry, I can see two other minor problems with your concept (in addition
> to the "little stress on the tail").
> One is the co-ordination of the two pilots. Getting them to both look left at
the
> same time would be a challenge. Synchronized piloting?
> The other problem is the discontinuity of the shadow cast by such a craft.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287035#287035
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:24:59 PM PST US
> From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Introduction and invite from John Gaertner
>
>
> John,
>
> Welcome aboard!
>
> You may want to include a link to Chris Tracey's website:
> http://www.westcoastpiet.com/
>
> There are tons of photos there that have helped a lot of builders.
>
> Jeff
> --
>
> Jeff Boatright
> "Now let's think about this..."
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:26:11 PM PST US
> From: Wayne Bressler <wayne@taildraggersinc.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PIETEN-38
>
> It could be more aptly named the Peiten-82, similar to the twin
> Mustang, F-82. Right?
>
> Wayne Bressler Jr.
> Taildraggers, Inc.
> taildraggersinc.com
>
> On Feb 18, 2010, at 4:47 PM, "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS@mcpcity.com> wrote:
>
>> Good one Jerry. Boy I wish I knew whether to take you seriously or
>> not! However, to be a true Pieten38 it would have to have a third
>> fuselage in the middle where the pilot would sit. THEN it would be
>> a 5-place airplane.
>>
>> Stinemetze
>> N328X
>>
>>>> the Pieten-38.
>>
>>
>
> ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:34:03 PM PST US
> From: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the guy had beefs with the IRS and US Gov't
>
> I agree with Patton on the Martyr crap. I just hope the next crazy uses
> a leaf blower I hate um.
> Do not archive
> Bryan Green
> Elgin SC
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 2:17 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: the guy had beefs with the IRS and US Gov't
>
>
> Aha-Chrissi called it first. The guy left a suicide note grumbling
> about the IRS and US Gov't.
>
>
>
> Evidently he burned his own home down before taking ruining a
> perfectly good airplane and parts
>
> of the IRS building.
>
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:35:55 PM PST US
> From: John Gaertner <jgaertner1@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Introduction and invite from John Gaertner
>
>
>
> Take a look, it is done! Thank you! That is what we are looking for...
>
> John Gaertner
> Blue Swallow Aircraft, LLC
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:38:06 PM PST US
> From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: PIETEN-38
>
> Yeah, I can see it now.conversation with a young designer, post WWII:
> "Father, the Company has me under a lot of pressure to design something new;
> but everyone knows that the P-51 is the best design ever."
>
>
> Father (being the smart-a__ that he is): "Well, then, Son, if the Mustang is
> so great, why not just join two together, then you'll have twice the
> airplane."
>
>
> Jerry - sound familiar?
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, CA
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion
>
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
> 18 ribs done
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
> Bressler
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 2:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PIETEN-38
>
>
> It could be more aptly named the Peiten-82, similar to the twin Mustang,
> F-82. Right?
>
> Wayne Bressler Jr.
>
> Taildraggers, Inc.
>
> taildraggersinc.com
>
>
> On Feb 18, 2010, at 4:47 PM, "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS@mcpcity.com> wrote:
>
> Good one Jerry. Boy I wish I knew whether to take you seriously or not!
> However, to be a true Pieten38 it would have to have a third fuselage in the
> middle where the pilot would sit. THEN it would be a 5-place airplane.
>
>
> Stinemetze
>
> N328X
>
>
>>> the Pieten-38.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:55:39 PM PST US
> From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius@gwi.net>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout?
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140384602115&_trksid=p2759.l1259
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:10:36 PM PST US
> From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo@msn.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout?
>
> Fly Baby.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Silvius<mailto:silvius@gwi.net>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:49 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout?
>
>
> <silvius@gwi.net<mailto:silvius@gwi.net>>
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140384602
> 115&_trksid=p2759.l1259<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll
> ?ViewItem&item=140384602115&_trksid=p2759.l1259>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List<http://www.matronics.co
> m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi
> on>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:23:55 PM PST US
> From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout?
>
> No grandson? Deal's off...
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, CA
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion
>
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
> 18 ribs done
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout?
>
>
> Fly Baby.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Michael <mailto:silvius@gwi.net> Silvius
>
>
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:49 PM
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout?
>
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140384602115&
> _trksid=p2759.l1259> &item=140384602115&_trksid=p2759.l1nbsp;
> Features Chat, http://www.matnbsp;
> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> via the Web
> title=http://forums.matronics.com/
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> _p; generous bsp;
> title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c===
> ==========
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:41:11 PM PST US
> From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout?
>
> If It's a Fly Baby, somebody put on Piet style tail feathers. Also,
> don't FB's usually have a ply skin all the way back? However, the
> gear do look FB-ish.
>
> Kip Gardner
>
> On Feb 18, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Gene Rambo wrote:
>
>> Fly Baby.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Michael Silvius
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:49 PM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout?
>>
>> <silvius@gwi.net>
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
>> ViewItem&item=140384602115&_trksid=p2759.l1nbsp; Features
>> Chat, http://www.matnbsp; via the Web title=http://
>> forums.matronics.com/ href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://
>> forums.matronics.com
>> _p; generous bsp; title=http://
>> www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/
>> contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c===============
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:41:27 PM PST US
> From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the guy had beefs with the IRS and US Gov't
>
> Ha! Good one Bryan - maybe a leaf blower in his pants? Might be
> hard to get by security.
>
> On Feb 18, 2010, at 5:29 PM, bryan green wrote:
>
>> I agree with Patton on the Martyr crap. I just hope the next crazy
>> uses a leaf blower I hate um.
>> Do not archive
>> Bryan Green
>> Elgin SC
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 2:17 PM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: the guy had beefs with the IRS and US Gov't
>>
>> Aha=97Chrissi called it first. The guy left a suicide note
>> grumbling about the IRS and US Gov=92t.
>>
>> Evidently he burned his own home down before taking ruining a
>> perfectly good airplane and parts
>> of the IRS building.
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://
>> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://
>> www.matronics.com/c
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:45:35 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: here goes--just what small planes didn't need
> From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
>
> Yea, like a guy from Spain posted on this newsgroup last year. He said they
> have to request approval days in advance including sending in copies of ids
> of all passengers before every flight.
>
> do not archive
>
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 2:42 PM, flea <jimgriggs@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> We're all going to have to check in two hours before our flight to clear
>> TSA, and only after completion of a flight plan and the mandatory seven day
>> waiting period.
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287000#287000
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
> ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:46:21 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: PIETEN-38
> From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
>
> And don't forget the deicing boots..
>
> do not archive
>
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:30 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hah-! That is something else! But why stop there? Put a full panel in it
>> and put the thing on floats and get your multi, sea, land, instrument, and
>> everything else in it! Only thing lacking would be cowl flaps and
>> controllable pitch prop and the horsepower (plus retracts) and you could get
>> your complex, high performance too.
>>
>> --------
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> San Antonio, TX
>> Air Camper NX41CC
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287017#287017
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
> ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:26:44 PM PST US
> From: Wayne Bressler <wayne@taildraggersinc.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout?
>
> Not a Fly Baby. The Fly Baby has alot more ply, like the Piet.
>
> I'm thinking with all the bracing wires up front, it's something much
> older.
>
> Wayne Bressler Jr.
> Taildraggers, Inc.
> taildraggersinc.com
>
> On Feb 18, 2010, at 7:08 PM, "Gene Rambo" <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> Fly Baby.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Michael Silvius
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:49 PM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout?
>>
>>>
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140384602115&_trksid=p2759.l1nbsp
>> ; Features Chat, http://www.matnbsp; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>> _p; generous bsp; title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c===============
>>
>>
>
> ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:26:44 PM PST US
> From: Wayne Bressler <wayne@taildraggersinc.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout?
>
> Fly Baby gear is all-wood. Plus, this thing has strut attach plates
> on the side of the fuselage. Two of them. The tail is all wrong for
> everything we've mentioned, too.
>
> I'm still looking.
>
> Wayne Bressler Jr.
> Taildraggers, Inc.
> taildraggersinc.com
>
> On Feb 18, 2010, at 7:37 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net
>> wrote:
>
>> If It's a Fly Baby, somebody put on Piet style tail feathers. Also,
>> don't FB's usually have a ply skin all the way back? However, the
>> gear do look FB-ish.
>>
>> Kip Gardner
>>
>> On Feb 18, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Gene Rambo wrote:
>>
>>> Fly Baby.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Michael Silvius
>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:49 PM
>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout?
>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>>
>
> ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:12:04 PM PST US
> From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: PIETEN-38
>
> I love it Jerry, count me in! I reserve the left rear seat.
>
> Jack
>
> DSM
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> In the last month I have a friend building a Pietenpol close to me and he
> had purchased a fuselage already built. I went over to look at his airplane
> and was very jealous. Very nice work. He wanted me to come over again and
> look at the fuselage, but before I had the chance he called me up and asked
> if I wanted it. He was going to build another one. So I accepted his offer
> and I am thinking of replacing my fuselage with the one he gave me.
>
> Anyway I told my dad about the extra Pietenpol fuselage I have and he just
> jokingly said put two body's on the plane and fly 4 people. So I have been
> working on the idea and the only problem I see is a little stress in the
> tail when you might land on just one body in a cross wind. I have already
> named the airplane the Pieten-38. It would have 4 sets of controls so all
> could fly the plane. I don't think it would qualify for Light Sport anymore
> because of 4 places and two engines. With the wide stance on the ground it
> should handle quite well. Of course you would need a 4 place intercom system
> so all could talk. And you could instruct 3 people at once if they had some
> ownership of the plane. You could get your high performance, twin, and
> taildrager indorcment all at one time. I just haven't decided yet what to
> do.
>
> I have attached a concept picture
>
> Jerry
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:27:46 PM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Cowl Info 1
> From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
>
> Several people have asked for pictures of NX899KP's corvair cowl. I've broken
> the pictures into 6 documents so folks can download as they desire.
>
> Kevin Purtee
> NX899KP
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287107#287107
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/cowling_1_203.doc
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:28:17 PM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Cowl Info 2
> From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
>
> Part 2 of 6
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287108#287108
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/cowling_2_237.doc
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:29:15 PM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Cowl Info 3
> From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
>
> 3 of 6
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287109#287109
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/cowling_3_931.doc
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:30:26 PM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Cowl Info 4
> From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
>
> 4 of 6
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287110#287110
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/cowling_4_205.doc
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:32:15 PM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Cowl Info 5
> From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
>
> 5 of 6
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287113#287113
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/cowling_5_107.doc
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:33:47 PM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Cowl Info 6 - Last One
> From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
>
> 6 of 6
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287114#287114
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/cowling_6_202.doc
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:41:07 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Cowl Info 5
> From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
>
> Looks good Kevin, what did you paint your cowling with?
>
> rick
>
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:31 PM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>wrote:
>
>> kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>>
>> 5 of 6
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287113#287113
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/cowling_5_107.doc
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
> ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:43:52 PM PST US
> From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PIETEN-38
>
> Ha ha! me too. I reserve the top of the centersection.
> I have my own lawn chair.
>
> Clif
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jack
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:10 PM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: PIETEN-38
>
>
> I love it Jerry, count me in! I reserve the left rear seat.
>
> Jack
>
> DSM
>
> Do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
> Anyway I told my dad about the extra Pietenpol fuselage I have and he
> just jokingly said put two body's on the plane and fly 4 people. So I
> have been working on the idea and the only problem I see is a little
> stress in the tail when you might land on just one body in a cross wind.
> I have already named the airplane the Pieten-38. It would have 4 sets of
> controls so all could fly the plane. I don't think it would qualify for
> Light Sport anymore because of 4 places and two engines. With the wide
> stance on the ground it should handle quite well. Of course you would
> need a 4 place intercom system so all could talk. And you could instruct
> 3 people at once if they had some ownership of the plane. You could get
> your high performance, twin, and taildrager indorcment all at one time.
> I just haven't decided yet what to do.
>
> I have attached a concept picture
>
> Jerry
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> 02/18/10 11:34:00
>
> ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:54:27 PM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Red Betsy?
> From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Ted Davis was the pilot that flew Allen's Piet in the movie, and I was the Tech.
> Director ????. There were some great experiences and events that happened during
> the filming of the movie. Maybe Ted and I should give an overview of the
> filming at Brodhead 2010.
> Pieti Lowell
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287118#287118
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:50:52 PM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Red Betsy?
> From: "ivan.todorovic" <tosha@sezampro.rs>
>
>
> There's a link to the official web-site on the poster.
>
> Ivan.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287129#287129
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/redbetsy_210.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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I thought you all would get a kick out of the Pieten-38. I realy didn't
know who's airplane I picked for the concept picture. It was just in the
right format and position. But I do want to say one thing. It's ok to
dream and the origenal Pietenpon was concieved from a dream. And we all
have them. Many of us have been flying our airplanes in our own minds
for years and there not even done. So the Pieten-38 is for all you
napkin designers out there that aviation was founded on. Keep up the
good work. I have gotten many idea's from this list so don't stop
dreaming.
I haven't contributed much to the list but I will try to do so more
often.
Right now I'm rebuilding a Lycoming 0-290-G for my project.
Thanks
Jerry
Des Moines, IA
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Just one???
...Right now I'm rebuilding a Lycoming 0-290-G for my project.
Thanks
Jerry
Des Moines, IA
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Well, ah, I'm not trying to get anyone into trouble here, but the Karetaker
Aero 2 (K.T.2) has already been conceived and is in the design phases.-
See attached pictures.- 15 months ago it was born on a sheet of paper, to
day it is almost ready for prototype production.- Once a prototype is bui
lt, it will be flight tested. After the flight tests are complete, plans wi
ll be available at karetakeraero.com. (I am thinking about $1,000.00 US)-
I will also eventually have complete kits, partial kits, MODS, sketches, e
tc. available for sale. (Full kit will only cost about $100,000 US)- (...
and you guys-think ALL my ideas/mods are lame...)
-
I guess to avoid any copy write and further legal issues, I would only requ
ire my logo and plane name on any "knock-off" K.T. 2 to be prominently disp
layed on the fuselage as well as 50% of all compliments, acolaids, kind wor
ds and pats on the back given to me. Any money received while in, near, or
talking about said plane would also have to be divided up 50/50 to Karetake
r Aero.
-
If interested in any colaberation on the building/designing of any "knock-o
ff" K.T.2 planes, please contact Michael Perez at Karetaker Aero.- I woul
d be glad to assist as long as the above conditions are adhered to, and an
hourly consultation fee agreed on.
-
-
On a-SERIOUS note, It is a great idea and if you see it through, it will
be quite the acheivement! How cool would THAT be!?-
-
Beat of luck Jerry, do keep us posted!
-
-
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| Subject: | off topic: airways beacon question |
Does anyone know if the lamps in an airways beacon are powered by AC or DC
?
Thank you,
Do not archive
http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Government_Role/navigation/POL13.ht
m
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Cowl Info 3 |
Did you raise the cabanes any? Maybe it's the pictures but they don't look at
high as most...
-----Original Message-----
>From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>Sent: Feb 18, 2010 8:29 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Cowl Info 3
>
>
>3 of 6
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287109#287109
>
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>Attachments:
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>http://forums.matronics.com//files/cowling_3_931.doc
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Cowl Info 6 - Last One |
Kevin, Thanks for the cowl pix. Your methodology looks very sound and fast. I
really like all the pix and notes together.
I am not there yet in my build, but moving there mentally.
Do I understand correctly:
-- There are no hinges anywhere?
-- The two side panels are permanently affixed to the bottom panel by a row per
side of many closely spaced pop-rivets?
-- Screws hold the curved top to the side panels, thus making the top/bottom split?
-- Screws hold all four pieces to the nose?
Otherwise, is there a door/hatch for draining the gascolator, checking oil level,
etc.?
Lastly, is the nose split, for disassembly as needed, without taking off the prop?
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>Sent: Feb 18, 2010 9:33 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Cowl Info 6 - Last One
>
>
>6 of 6
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287114#287114
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>
>Attachments:
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>http://forums.matronics.com//files/cowling_6_202.doc
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| Subject: | off topic: airways beacon question |
Jesus Mike, you planning on doing some night smokin?
Jack
DSM
Do not archive
Does anyone know if the lamps in an airways beacon are powered by AC or DC ?
Thank you,
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Cowl Info 3 |
I made them per the plans. It's pretty tight. Took a (small) coworker flying
yesterday & had to fold him up to get him in.
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| Subject: | Re: off topic: airways beacon question |
I believe he is looking to put a landing light on his plane.
-
Either way, it would not be too difficult to covert from AC to DC or vise v
ersa...if that helps....much...if any....
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Cowl Info 6 - Last One |
You're on track on 1-3, Tim. On 4, the front piece is split horizontally to allow
removal. The split is joined by 3 screws on each side of the prop. When
the cowling's removed the top part of the nose piece goes with the top of the
cowl (riveted) & the bottom part of the nose piece goes to the bottom of the cowl
(riveted).
The dipstick sticks out of a hole in the top piece. I have a door on top to add
oil. The bottom piece has a hole cut out for the air filter and a notch to
access the gascolator.
I just got a hangar in georgetown and, if people will quit attacking IRS buildings
out of georgetown, I'll get the plane there and you can come look. 10 minutes
after I took off from Austin to fly to Houston to pick up the plane yesterday,
that jerk hit the building. Got to Houston & checked notams. Sure enough:
Georgetown closed. Came back to Austin plane-less. Going to try to get it
on Sunday if weather & flight availability cooperate.
Kevin
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| Subject: | Re: off topic: airways beacon question |
Mike , In answer to your question about acee decee. Did Tiger have on white
or pink drawers during his press conference?
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I had to show the leading man how to lift Alison Elliott,into the rear cock-pit
without allowing her skirt to attach to the edge of the cockpit combing, it took
a few trials to get it right.
Pieti Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: off topic: airways beacon question |
I don't think he can afford the weight of the necessary diodes being taken from
his useful if he has to convert ac to dc.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Perez
Sent: Feb 19, 2010 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: off topic: airways beacon question
I believe he is looking to put a landing light on his plane.
Either way, it would not be too difficult to covert from AC to DC or vise versa...if
that helps....much...if any....
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I've got to get me some of them black cherries! You are WAY too
healthy, Pieti. ;-)
>
>I had to show the leading man how to lift Alison Elliott,into the
>rear cock-pit without allowing her skirt to attach to the edge of
>the cockpit combing, it took a few trials to get it right.
>Pieti Lowell
>
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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I was wondering just yesterday about when we would see the first "pro-built
" Air Camper. I just knew that the pattern of "Mine's better/nicer/more exp
ensive than yours" would someday creep into the Pietenpol community.- Sou
nds like we're getting close.
One day soon-we'll probably see a Sky Scout and Air Camper matched pair p
ull into Fon du Lac in an air conditioned double decker semi trailer, get u
nloaded and assembled by a paid crew and flown in to OSH by hired and heavi
ly insured pilots for judging (in a roped off area) all in the name of pres
erving the past. Kind of fits the pattern don't you think? And the directio
n that EAA has been going overall.
Sorry, just musing.
-
Larry
-
ps. Thousands of Canada geese are winging their way North over central Arka
nsas. I tried to fly with them this a.m. but they were too high and yes, to
o fast for me. I'll keep trying, though. 31 F and blue skies as the sun ros
e.
"Grab your courage everybody 'cause it's flyin' weather" W.P.
-
Nothing much to do with Piet building so........don't archive.=0A=0A=0A
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I'll bet!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pieti Lowell
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 1:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Red Betsy?
<Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>
I had to show the leading man how to lift Alison Elliott,into the rear
cock-pit without allowing her skirt to attach to the edge of the cockpit
combing, it took a few trials to get it right.
Pieti Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: off topic: airways beacon question |
Mikeee-
It depends on whether it's an arc tube lamp, ballasted, or just a coiled filament
lamp. I would think that a coiled filament wouldn't care if it sees AC or
DC as long as it was the right voltage.
Right?
And hey, let me know when you have that thing turned on. Point it south and I'll
let you know if I see it from here ;o)
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Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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On 02/19/2010 02:41 PM, Lawrence Williams wrote:
> I was wondering just yesterday about when we would see the first
> "pro-built" Air Camper. I just knew that the pattern of "Mine's
> better/nicer/more expensive than yours" would someday creep into the
> Pietenpol community. Sounds like we're getting close.
> One day soon we'll probably see a Sky Scout and Air Camper matched pair
> pull into Fon du Lac in an air conditioned double decker semi trailer,
> get unloaded and assembled by a paid crew and flown in to OSH by hired
> and heavily insured pilots for judging (in a roped off area) all in the
> name of preserving the past. Kind of fits the pattern don't you think?
> And the direction that EAA has been going overall.
We'll always have Brodhead... ;-)
> Sorry, just musing.
> Larry
> ps. Thousands of Canada geese are winging their way North over central
> Arkansas. I tried to fly with them this a.m. but they were too high and
> yes, too fast for me. I'll keep trying, though. 31 F and blue skies as
> the sun rose.
Speaking of speed and yer trusty old Ford, have you figured out any
sorts of numbers on what kind of power you get with that Lion Speed
head? How about RPMs? Say, static, climb and cruise? I'd hope you'd
be able to outrun a Canadian goose going 50mph!
> "Grab your courage everybody 'cause it's flyin' weather" W.P.
Hey, some of us had actual plans to go flying today! Real, tangible,
plans. Torpedo heater and LP tank in the trunk, winter gear, rabbit fur
hat and everything. Then a 101 temp on one of the three-year-olds put
the kabosh on that. Had to work from home, instead.
Cheers,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Or in Pieti speak "after two hundred and forty tries and 38 torn dresses we
got it right"... =3B)
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Red Betsy?
> From: Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com
> Date: Fri=2C 19 Feb 2010 12:59:33 -0800
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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com>
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> I had to show the leading man how to lift Alison Elliott=2Cinto the rear
cock-pit without allowing her skirt to attach to the edge of the cockpit co
mbing=2C it took a few trials to get it right.
> Pieti Lowell
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: off topic: airways beacon question |
I see from a web search that the beacons were powered by a generator. This
would most likely make them ac. Check out the volts and number on the
bulb. You could easily change the bulb base to make it anything you want.
Howdy
master electrician
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Well, after all this talking about it , I finally got my nerve up and flew it today.
It flew great for 30 minutes and now it is in the hanger checking for leaks
and working on rudder trim. I will post some pictures soon. From what I can
see the major difference from Kevin Purtee's plane and mine is the cowling
. Gardiner Mason (NX 840LM)
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Great news!!
Gary Boothe
------Original Message------
From: airlion
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: It's a plane
Sent: Feb 19, 2010 3:55 PM
Well, after all this talking about it , I finally got my nerve up and flew it today.
It flew great for 30 minutes and now it is in the hanger checking for leaks
and working on rudder trim. I will post some pictures soon. From what I can
see the major difference from Kevin Purtee's plane and mine is the cowling
. Gardiner Mason (NX 840LM)
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Congratulations Gardiner!
Ryan & Jess
Do not archive
On Feb 19, 2010 6:00 PM, "airlion" <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Well, after all this talking about it , I finally got my nerve up and flew
it today. It flew great for 30 minutes and now it is in the hanger checking
for leaks and working on rudder trim. I will post some pictures soon. From
what I can see the major difference from Kevin Purtee's plane and mine is
the cowling . Gardiner Mason (NX 840LM)
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| Subject: | First flight for NX866BC too |
After watching the wind sock stand straight out for a week, today
finally was the day. I did one high speed taxi down the runway, just to
make sure the airspeed indicator worked (it didn't come alive till the
tailwheel came up). Lined up on the runway and went for it. This was
the first time the new engine had seen full throttle, but it came right
up and I was off. I'm in Florida, call me a wimp, but it was in the
40's here this morning. Following the recommendations in the FAA
advisory circular I climbed up to 3000 ft (Real cold up there). This
was my first flight in any Pietenpol. I've been flying an old Baby Ace
for the last 3 years, and the Piet was really quite an improvement. It
seems to be about 15 mph faster. I was cruising easily at 78 mph at
2050 rpm. I'll take the GPS up with me to see if that is accurate, but
it just seemed faster using ground reference. I even flew down the
interstate and outran some trucks!
I was determined to stay up for an hour, and by then I was really
getting chilled. I was really surprised that the Piet is a lot less
draggy than my Baby Ace. I overshot the first landing, the folks on the
ground thinking I was doing a fly-by. The second approach was still a
little fast, but I managed to do what I considered an amazing landing,
considering how many people were watching. I'll attach a post-flight
picture with the "Pietenpol Grin". The airport bums and my wife went
out for a celebratory lunch, and I went back to the airport for a
post-flight inspection. While I was doing that a stranger drove up and
congratulated me on my first flight. He introduced himself as an FAA
inspector! He was a real nice guy, though and asked if I would be going
to Sun-N-Fun (70 miles past my Phase 1 radius). I told him I would if
I could fly my 25 hrs off. He said if I could get 15 hours on it he
would write me a waiver! Look for me parked in the homebuilders corner.
After I put it all back together, the wind sock was starting to droop,
and a friend was dragging out his J-3. I figured, why not go again, so
off I went. I climbed up to 2500 feet this time. It was around 3 PM by
this time, and it was still cold up there. I decided to check out the
dreaded Pietenpol Airfoil Stall. I slowed it till it was showing 28 mph
on the airspeed indicator and felt the burble, and called that close
enough. About that time I could see my friend's J-3 taking off. I had
handed my camera to a buddy that was riding along with him and he got a
great shot of my Pietenpol time maching with the Kennedy Space Center in
the background. I'll attach that too.
In all I flew 1.9 hours today, and if it warms up a little and the
weather cooperates, I should be able to take my wife up for her
long-awaited first ride soon. This list has been a great help and
inspiration. Hope we can get a good showing at Sun-N-Fun. Get building
guys, its worth it!
Ben Charvet
NX866BC
23.1 hrs to go
PS. Congratulations Gardiner!
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| Subject: | Re: First flight for NX866BC too |
Congrats Ben, I had my first flignt today too. I flew for 1/2 hour over the field
and it flew great, The landing was one of my best even though my airspeed indicator
was not working. Now , the cowling is off checking for leaks etc. Gardiner
Mason NX840LM.
----- Original Message ----
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 7:34:27 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First flight for NX866BC too
After watching the wind sock stand straight out for a week, today finally was the
day. I did one high speed taxi down the runway, just to make sure the airspeed
indicator worked (it didn't come alive till the tailwheel came up). Lined
up on the runway and went for it. This was the first time the new engine had
seen full throttle, but it came right up and I was off. I'm in Florida, call
me a wimp, but it was in the 40's here this morning. Following the recommendations
in the FAA advisory circular I climbed up to 3000 ft (Real cold up there).
This was my first flight in any Pietenpol. I've been flying an old Baby
Ace for the last 3 years, and the Piet was really quite an improvement. It seems
to be about 15 mph faster. I was cruising easily at 78 mph at 2050 rpm.
I'll take the GPS up with me to see if that is accurate, but it just seemed faster
using ground reference. I even flew down the interstate and outran some
trucks!
I was determined to stay up for an hour, and by then I was really getting chilled.
I was really surprised that the Piet is a lot less draggy than my Baby Ace.
I overshot the first landing, the folks on the ground thinking I was doing
a fly-by. The second approach was still a little fast, but I managed to do what
I considered an amazing landing, considering how many people were watching.
I'll attach a post-flight picture with the "Pietenpol Grin". The airport bums
and my wife went out for a celebratory lunch, and I went back to the airport
for a post-flight inspection. While I was doing that a stranger drove up and
congratulated me on my first flight. He introduced himself as an FAA inspector!
He was a real nice guy, though and asked if I would be going to Sun-N-Fun
(70 miles past my Phase 1 radius). I told him I would if I could fly my 25
hrs off. He said if I could get 15 hours on it he would write me a waiver!
Look for me parked in the
homebuilders corner.
After I put it all back together, the wind sock was starting to droop, and a friend
was dragging out his J-3. I figured, why not go again, so off I went. I
climbed up to 2500 feet this time. It was around 3 PM by this time, and it was
still cold up there. I decided to check out the dreaded Pietenpol Airfoil
Stall. I slowed it till it was showing 28 mph on the airspeed indicator and felt
the burble, and called that close enough. About that time I could see my
friend's J-3 taking off. I had handed my camera to a buddy that was riding along
with him and he got a great shot of my Pietenpol time maching with the Kennedy
Space Center in the background. I'll attach that too.
In all I flew 1.9 hours today, and if it warms up a little and the weather cooperates,
I should be able to take my wife up for her long-awaited first ride soon.
This list has been a great help and inspiration. Hope we can get a good
showing at Sun-N-Fun. Get building guys, its worth it!
Ben Charvet
NX866BC
23.1 hrs to go
PS. Congratulations Gardiner!
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I knew it Larry! I knew the geese would be too fast for you!
I'll never forget being weathered in and camping out on the office floor of the
FBO in Joliet, Ill. along with about 6 or 7 other pilots and airplanes. In the
morning we split into two groups to wing our way to Polar Grove enroute to
Brodhead. The group you and I were in left first and included Frank P. in the
Sky Gypsy and Dick Alkire in his Aeronca. The other group which had a Piper
Vagabond and a Luscombe took off after us. We poked our way up along Chicago,
running the scud and running our engines at idle while attempting to hang in
the air with you. Several hours later as we entered the pattern at Poplar Grove
I looked back over my shoulder and there was the Vagabond and Luscombe right
behind me. It was only after landing did I find out that those guys actually
WALKED to town AFTER we took off from Joliet and had breakfast then WALKED back,
took off and caught up to us in the pattern at Poplar Grove! Yes, I'm sure
those geese are faster than you!
Oh Larry, your airplane far surpasses the faster ones with the tons of character
that it possesses! And that is what Piets are all about. I really enjoyed
the time that I was able to fly with you last year. I think my fuel burn was
down to about 3 gallons per hour. Who would've ever thought after all the airplaneless
Brodhead years that we'd someday be winging our way there in formation!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Congrats Gardiner, nice work.
Rick
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 6:55 PM, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> Well, after all this talking about it , I finally got my nerve up and flew
> it today. It flew great for 30 minutes and now it is in the hanger checking
> for leaks and working on rudder trim. I will post some pictures soon. From
> what I can see the major difference from Kevin Purtee's plane and mine is
> the cowling . Gardiner Mason (NX 840LM)
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Gardiner and Ben,
What a day for you both, congratulations! It's days like this that keep us
builders going, thank you both!
Jack
DSM
Well, after all this talking about it , I finally got my nerve up and flew
it today. It flew great for 30 minutes and now it is in the hanger checking
for leaks and working on rudder trim. I will post some pictures soon. From
what I can see the major difference from Kevin Purtee's plane and mine is
the cowling . Gardiner Mason (NX 840LM)
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| Subject: | Fw: First flight pictures |
These pictures were taken today. It felt great=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Forwarded M
essage ----=0AFrom: David Barrett <david@dbarrett.com>=0ATo: airlion <airli
on@bellsouth.net>=0ASent: Fri, February 19, 2010 9:01:17 PM=0ASubject: Firs
t flight pictures=0A=0A =0AGardiner =93=0A =0AHere=99s a link t
o your pictures on the web: http://www.dbarrett.com/Gardiner_Pietenpol_Firs
tFlight/=0AI will leave them up there so you can share the link with=0Awhom
ever you=99d like. If you want me to delete any of the pictures,=0Al
et me know.=0A =0AI=99ve also uploaded the pictures as a self-extract
ing=0Azip file so you can download all of them at once. I=99ll talk
you=0Athrough extracting the files.=0Ahttp://www.dbarrett.com/Gardiner_Piet
enpol_FirstFlight/Gardiner_20100219_sm.exe=0Ahttp://www.dbarrett.com/Gardin
er_Pietenpol_FirstFlight/Gardiner_20100219_lg.exe=0A =0AThe small files are
800x600 and about 200K each. The large=0Afiles are 3648x2736 and about 3MB
each. If you want to send individual files to=0Asomeone via email, use the
small ones. If you want to make prints, use=0Athe large ones.=0A =0AI
=99ll give you a call.=0A =0ADavid
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| Subject: | Video of First Takeoff |
Hope this works (the video)
http://www.facebook.com/n/?video%2Fvideo.php&comments&v=1327650121629&mid=1e939f0G5bec5d5fG1570c51G1e
Ben
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I was pleased to find out today, I can outrun a J-3. Had to pull back
to 1800 rpm to stay with him.
Ben
On 2/19/2010 8:48 PM, Don Emch wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Don Emch"<EmchAir@aol.com>
>
> I knew it Larry! I knew the geese would be too fast for you!
>
> I'll never forget being weathered in and camping out on the office floor of the
FBO in Joliet, Ill. along with about 6 or 7 other pilots and airplanes. In
the morning we split into two groups to wing our way to Polar Grove enroute to
Brodhead. The group you and I were in left first and included Frank P. in the
Sky Gypsy and Dick Alkire in his Aeronca. The other group which had a Piper
Vagabond and a Luscombe took off after us. We poked our way up along Chicago,
running the scud and running our engines at idle while attempting to hang in
the air with you. Several hours later as we entered the pattern at Poplar Grove
I looked back over my shoulder and there was the Vagabond and Luscombe right
behind me. It was only after landing did I find out that those guys actually
WALKED to town AFTER we took off from Joliet and had breakfast then WALKED
back, took off and caught up to us in the pattern at Poplar Grove! Yes, I'm
sure those geese are faster than you!
>
> Oh Larry, your airplane far surpasses the faster ones with the tons of character
that it possesses! And that is what Piets are all about. I really enjoyed
the time that I was able to fly with you last year. I think my fuel burn was
down to about 3 gallons per hour. Who would've ever thought after all the airplaneless
Brodhead years that we'd someday be winging our way there in formation!
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
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Sorry I haven't responded lately, my yahoo mail ain't working, I have to send this
from some yahoo backup, crappy page. Any way I like the clone Idea, but now
with 2 corvairs i'll be 2ce as def. It would give me an advantage in a flour
"bomb" drop competition.
Shad
On Thu Feb 18th, 2010 4:32 PM EST Gary Boothe wrote:
>Jerry,
>
>
>
>You get an 'A' for original thinking, but..GOOD HEAVENS, MAN! Isn't one Gary
>& Shad Bell enough?
>
>
>
>Gary Boothe
>
>Cool, CA
>
>Pietenpol
>
>WW Corvair Conversion
>
>Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
>18 ribs done
>
>Do not archive
>
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JERRY GROGAN
>Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:09 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: PIETEN-38
>
>
>
>In the last month I have a friend building a Pietenpol close to me and he
>had purchased a fuselage already built. I went over to look at his airplane
>and was very jealous. Very nice work. He wanted me to come over again and
>look at the fuselage, but before I had the chance he called me up and asked
>if I wanted it. He was going to build another one. So I accepted his offer
>and I am thinking of replacing my fuselage with the one he gave me.
>
>Anyway I told my dad about the extra Pietenpol fuselage I have and he just
>jokingly said put two body's on the plane and fly 4 people. So I have been
>working on the idea and the only problem I see is a little stress in the
>tail when you might land on just one body in a cross wind. I have already
>named the airplane the Pieten-38. It would have 4 sets of controls so all
>could fly the plane. I don't think it would qualify for Light Sport anymore
>because of 4 places and two engines. With the wide stance on the ground it
>should handle quite well. Of course you would need a 4 place intercom system
>so all could talk. And you could instruct 3 people at once if they had some
>ownership of the plane. You could get your high performance, twin, and
>taildrager indorcment all at one time. I just haven't decided yet what to
>do.
>
>I have attached a concept picture
>
>Jerry
>
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| Subject: | Re: First flight for NX866BC too |
Ben I am proud for you. How about posting a high quality pic of the inflight from
the J-3 ...that is a good scene. Was the ground handling as easy as the Baby
Ace?
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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Way to go Gardiner! There's no feeling in the world like it, is there?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 6:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: It's a plane
Well, after all this talking about it , I finally got my nerve up and flew
it today. It flew great for 30 minutes and now it is in the hanger checking
for leaks and working on rudder trim. I will post some pictures soon. From
what I can see the major difference from Kevin Purtee's plane and mine is
the cowling . Gardiner Mason (NX 840LM)
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| Subject: | Re: off topic: airways beacon question |
Mike, In the late sixties I did the maintenance on an "OLD" Hercules diesel engine
under the rotating beacon at Fort Pierce, Fl airport. It was backup emergency
power for the beacon and runway lights. That was a long time ago but it seems
like the beacon had 240 VAC with 60 amp fuses. Don't take that to the bank....too
long ago.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | First flight for NX866BC too |
As I just told Gardiner Mason, there's no felling wuit like the first flight
in an airplane you built yourself, is there Ben?
Congratulations! I look forward to seeing you at Sun 'n' Fun.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 7:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First flight for NX866BC too
After watching the wind sock stand straight out for a week, today
finally was the day. I did one high speed taxi down the runway, just to
make sure the airspeed indicator worked (it didn't come alive till the
tailwheel came up). Lined up on the runway and went for it. This was
the first time the new engine had seen full throttle, but it came right
up and I was off. I'm in Florida, call me a wimp, but it was in the
40's here this morning. Following the recommendations in the FAA
advisory circular I climbed up to 3000 ft (Real cold up there). This
was my first flight in any Pietenpol. I've been flying an old Baby Ace
for the last 3 years, and the Piet was really quite an improvement. It
seems to be about 15 mph faster. I was cruising easily at 78 mph at
2050 rpm. I'll take the GPS up with me to see if that is accurate, but
it just seemed faster using ground reference. I even flew down the
interstate and outran some trucks!
I was determined to stay up for an hour, and by then I was really
getting chilled. I was really surprised that the Piet is a lot less
draggy than my Baby Ace. I overshot the first landing, the folks on the
ground thinking I was doing a fly-by. The second approach was still a
little fast, but I managed to do what I considered an amazing landing,
considering how many people were watching. I'll attach a post-flight
picture with the "Pietenpol Grin". The airport bums and my wife went
out for a celebratory lunch, and I went back to the airport for a
post-flight inspection. While I was doing that a stranger drove up and
congratulated me on my first flight. He introduced himself as an FAA
inspector! He was a real nice guy, though and asked if I would be going
to Sun-N-Fun (70 miles past my Phase 1 radius). I told him I would if
I could fly my 25 hrs off. He said if I could get 15 hours on it he
would write me a waiver! Look for me parked in the homebuilders corner.
After I put it all back together, the wind sock was starting to droop,
and a friend was dragging out his J-3. I figured, why not go again, so
off I went. I climbed up to 2500 feet this time. It was around 3 PM by
this time, and it was still cold up there. I decided to check out the
dreaded Pietenpol Airfoil Stall. I slowed it till it was showing 28 mph
on the airspeed indicator and felt the burble, and called that close
enough. About that time I could see my friend's J-3 taking off. I had
handed my camera to a buddy that was riding along with him and he got a
great shot of my Pietenpol time maching with the Kennedy Space Center in
the background. I'll attach that too.
In all I flew 1.9 hours today, and if it warms up a little and the
weather cooperates, I should be able to take my wife up for her
long-awaited first ride soon. This list has been a great help and
inspiration. Hope we can get a good showing at Sun-N-Fun. Get building
guys, its worth it!
Ben Charvet
NX866BC
23.1 hrs to go
PS. Congratulations Gardiner!
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| Subject: | Re: Video of First Takeoff |
Looked great. Congratulations, I'm looking forward to my first flight, But seeings
how I have just laid the keel so to speak it will be a while yet for me.
Again, congrats, I am very happy for you.
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| Subject: | Re: Video of First Takeoff |
Congratulationds Ben;she looked and sounded as advertised!=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__
______________________________=0AFrom: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
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| Subject: | Re: First flight for NX866BC too |
Congratulations Ben!
do not archive
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> After watching the wind sock stand straight out for a week, today finally
> was the day.....
>
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