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1. 12:53 AM - Re: just another idea and concept to ponder (H RULE)
2. 05:04 AM - Re: just another idea and concept to ponder (John Recine)
3. 05:04 AM - Fuselage Update (Jack)
4. 06:18 AM - Re: Fuselage Update (helspersew@aol.com)
5. 06:42 AM - A-65 cost (chase143(at)aol.com)
6. 07:17 AM - Re: A-65 cost (taildrags)
7. 08:19 AM - Re: Re: GN-1 cabane length (bryan green)
8. 09:20 AM - Re: just another idea and concept to ponder (H RULE)
9. 09:21 AM - Re: Fuselage Update (Jack Phillips)
10. 09:21 AM - for the absolute best source of Pietenpol photos anywhere (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
11. 09:21 AM - Re: Fuselage Update (Pastor Mike Townsley)
12. 09:23 AM - Re: just another idea and concept to ponder (Jim Ash)
13. 09:24 AM - phase one (Douwe Blumberg)
14. 09:24 AM - Re: A-65 cost (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
15. 09:45 AM - Re: Phase I complete for 6926J (Skip Gadd)
16. 09:45 AM - Re: just another idea and concept to ponder (Dan Yocum)
17. 09:45 AM - Re: Fuselage Update (Rick Holland)
18. 09:45 AM - Re: A-65 cost (Jim Ash)
19. 09:45 AM - Re: A-65 cost (John Hofmann)
20. 09:45 AM - Re: Fuselage Update (taildrags)
21. 09:46 AM - Re: A-65 cost (Jack Phillips)
22. 09:46 AM - Re: A-65 cost (Gerry Holland)
23. 10:14 AM - Re: A-65 cost (Michael Perez)
24. 10:15 AM - Re: A-65 cost (Steve Ruse)
25. 10:38 AM - Re: A-65 cost (chase143(at)aol.com)
26. 10:48 AM - Re: Fuselage Update (Jim)
27. 10:51 AM - Re: Fuselage Update (K5YAC)
28. 10:52 AM - Re: A-65 cost (Mike King)
29. 11:07 AM - Re: just another idea and concept to ponder (K5YAC)
30. 11:12 AM - Re: Phase I complete for 6926J (Rick Holland)
31. 11:46 AM - Re: Re: A-65 cost - Engine TBO & EAA article (Steve Ruse)
32. 12:06 PM - Re: Re: A-65 cost - Engine TBO & EAA article (Doug Dever)
33. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: just another idea and concept to ponder (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
34. 12:49 PM - Re: just another idea and concept to ponder (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
35. 12:58 PM - Re: Fuselage Update (Bill Church)
36. 01:24 PM - Re: Re: A-65 cost - Engine TBO & EAA article (Steve Ruse)
37. 01:28 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage Update (Rick Holland)
38. 01:30 PM - Re: Re: A-65 cost - Engine TBO & EAA article (Rick Holland)
39. 01:35 PM - Re: just another idea and concept to ponder (K5YAC)
40. 01:38 PM - Re: Fuselage Update (Bill Church)
41. 01:52 PM - Re: A-65 cost (walt)
42. 01:53 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage Update (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
43. 02:30 PM - What size prop (jeff wilson)
44. 02:35 PM - Re: What size prop (Ben Charvet)
45. 02:36 PM - Re: just another idea and concept to ponder (walt)
46. 02:37 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage Update (walt)
47. 03:37 PM - Re: just another idea and concept to ponder (Ben Charvet)
48. 04:41 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage Update (airlion)
49. 05:57 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage Update (Jack)
50. 06:06 PM - intercom (Douwe Blumberg)
51. 06:09 PM - Instrument Template (Jack)
52. 06:29 PM - Re: intercom (Jeff Boatright)
53. 07:54 PM - Re: What size prop (Tim Willis)
54. 08:04 PM - Re: What size prop (Jeff Boatright)
55. 08:07 PM - Re: What size prop (gcardinal)
56. 08:13 PM - Re: What size prop (Ryan Mueller)
57. 08:24 PM - Re: What size prop (Tim Willis)
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| Subject: | Re: just another idea and concept to ponder |
How bout a metal fuselage and wood wings or perhaps metal wings as well.Eac
h man would only have to spend a max 1/2 hour at a time,not the whole weeke
nd.I have seen pictures on this web page of some pretty nice metal PIETS.I
like the idea of making Brodhead a whole week as well.Whether made out of w
ood or metal,the project could span a few years of Brodhead get togethers.J
ust throwing ideas out here.-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________________________
___=0AFrom: Dick N <horzpool@goldengate.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics
.com=0ASent: Mon, March 22, 2010 12:12:35 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List:
just another idea and concept to ponder=0A=0A=0ANo, that couldn't be done.
- Not to a completed ship if that's what you are suggesting.- A bare fu
selage would take 6 days alone.- Just think of the work involved in the w
ings.- =0ADick N.=0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: H RULE =0A>To:
pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 10:12 PM=0A>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder=0A>=0A
>=0A>another question along the same lines would be" could a PIET be built
by as many builders as it would take over the Brodhead weekend?"Much the sa
me way as they build the aluminum stol aircraft, CH701,at the Sun N Fun wee
kend.Then auction or raffle it off at the end of the weekend for some lucky
person to take home.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A________________________________=0AFrom
: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.co
m=0A>Sent: Sun, March 21, 2010 10:47:10 PM=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:
just another idea and concept to ponder=0A>=0A>--> Pietenpol-List message p
osted by: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>=0A>=0A>VERY cool idea.-
Logistics will be the challenge but I'm definitely in!=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>-----
Original Message-----=0A>=0A>From: AMsafetyC@aol.com=0A>=0A>Sent: Mar 19, 2
010 7:00 PM=0A>=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A>=0A>Subject: Pietenp
ol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A
>=0A>=0A>Hello good people.....=0A>=0A>A new idea and concept for the group
to ponder.=0A>=0A>As we all know and have recognized we all share a common
bond as fellow =0A>lovers of the blue, aviators, builders connected throug
h the design genius of =0A>Bernard Pietenpol and his flying contraption the
aeroplane. We as a collection =0A>of builders have at our disposal some, m
any and all of the requisite skill =0A>levels to construct such a machine w
ith little assistance or intervention from =0A>the outside world.=0A>=0A>Th
e there are those who would love to join our ranks but may be lacking in
=0A>skills, equipment and time to turn their dream into a reality. From =0A
>prints to Piet if you will. We know that everyone has a skill set that is
good =0A>in some areas and not so good in others. Knowing these basic tenan
ts I am =0A>curious as to who or what builders would welcome the talents of
other builders =0A>equipped with tools and skills would be interested in h
aving a group of builders =0A>show up at their hanger, barn, basement or ga
rage for a weekend build utilizing =0A>all the skills of the people interes
ted in lending a hand to accomplish a number =0A>of tasks to get the projec
t going bring the tools to get the certain aspects =0A>completed. Woodworke
rs, metal workers, mechanical workers and the like showing =0A>up to get a
build from a stalled stage to a more accomplished state of being a =0A>Piet
enpol.=0A>=0A>I am speaking about two groups of people, those with the skil
ls and =0A>resources capable of committing to a 2 or 3 day weekend to parti
cipate in =0A>building another Piet as one group. The other group would be
a builder or would =0A>be builder who in need of assistance in advancing th
eir project to a next or =0A>greater level of completion.=0A>=0A>This again
is but another concept for consideration. For example I have =0A>both tool
s not all that I need but certainly more than other that are portable, =0A>
a trailer to transport them and no skills to speak of. I also have lodging
as in =0A>a popup/tent camper to bring to a build site for a few days to he
lp another =0A>builder. There are others with tools and skills that may als
o be portable. =0A>=0A>=0A>Through this cooperative of a half dozen or more
people who would be =0A>willing to share their time and expertise to get a
nother build moving and =0A>another builder to a next level of completion.
=0A>=0A>I am wonder how many of us would be willing to pitch in for a week
end to =0A>help and how many would be interested in receiving those willing
to help. =0A>=0A>Before I go any further with this concept it would be nic
e to know if there =0A>is any interest at all in helping or being helped.
=0A>=0A>Just in case you were wondering, I have all of my tools marked for
=0A>identification purposes. I know how this works.=0A>=0A>Helpers bring to
ols and skills and resources as needed helped =0A>provide a keg on tap burg
ers and a place for a fire and I think we are cooking =0A>with gas! =0A>=0A
>What say you?=0A>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?sp; - - - - //
forums.matronics.com/" target=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com=0A>=0A>
=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Li
st">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A>href="http://for
ums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0A>href="http://www.matron
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Fuselage is going well. I updated my site with some more photos.
http://www.textors.com/PietProject.html
Jack
DSM
www.textors.com <http://www.textors.com/>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Update |
Jack,
You should be very proud of your work. Very nice websight.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
NX929DH
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack <jack@textors.com>
Sent: Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:03 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Update
Fuselage is going well. I updated my site with some more photos. http://
www.textors.com/PietProject.html
Jack
DSM
www.textors.com
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A friend offered me an A-65, with spare mags, carburetor, pieces as required. Describes
it in good shape, running recently, replaced for larger engine. How does
$1800 sound? I know there can be a big disparity, but I have no recent price
experience. I would probably overhaul anyway based on what I am able to do
myself and/or cost to have someone else do it if required. Any recent cost experiences?
Thanks,
Steve
--------
Steve
www.mypiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291233#291233
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Steve; that sounds like a piece of junk and you should run away as fast as you
can. Dangerous, unreliable. Give me your friend's name and phone number so I
can buy it and keep you out of trouble ;o)
Seriously, you should jump on it. I just sold the A65 that came out of 41CC for
a good deal more than that, so I think you'll be getting a great deal. Note
the recent emails from Walt and others on how nice these old Continentals are.
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Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 cabane length |
The cabanes are 23.5 inches hole center to center and the picture and
post should be in the archives Jon.
do not archive
coxwelljon wrote:
>
>
> luther b green wrote:
>
>> My cabanes need rebuilding but are measurable and I will do that and post
>> results today sometime. The picture of mine in flight looks level to me so I
>> will keep the length to start with. I'll post the picture also so you guys
>> can take a look.
>> Bryan Green
>> Elgin SC
>> GN-1 rebuilding
>> ---
>>
>
>
> Thanks Bryan, I would like to know the lengths and see a picture.
>
> Skip, Thanks for that information as well. It sounds like I am in the ball
park. Still haven't calculated what 1" equates to on the Piet for comparison
but will do it and post it.
>
> Jon Coxwell
>
> --------
> Jon Coxwell
> GN-1 Builder
> Recycle and preserve the planet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291186#291186
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: just another idea and concept to ponder |
Oh, I know you were not talking about Brodhead,that was just another idea I
came up with ,piggy backing on your idea.=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_
_______________________________=0AFrom: John Recine <amsafetyc@aol.com>=0AT
o: Pietenpol builders Board <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Mon, Mar
ch 22, 2010 6:51:49 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and
concept to ponder=0A=0AValuable comments thanks=0A=0AActually not talking
about a complete ship and not at Brodhead. =0A=0AJust at a builders locatio
n looking for a weekend of intense building by a group able and capable of
working on everything in need of help to advance the project. =0A=0AAll bas
ed on the builders wants,needs,schedule and raw materials/parts on hand.
=0A=0AWith enough bench space,clamps, jigging and a saw man it is possible
to frame out the fuse and tail feathers in a weekend. =0A=0AI am not advoca
ting we do this tomorrow but if there were interested parties maybe in 6 mo
nth or so=0A=0AJohn =0ASent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry=0A_________
_______________________=0A=0AFrom: "Dick N" <horzpool@goldengate.net> =0ADa
te: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:12:35 -0500=0ATo: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>=0A
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder=0A=0AN
o, that couldn't be done.=C2- Not to a completed ship if that's what you
are suggesting.=C2- A bare fuselage would take 6 days alone.=C2- Just t
hink of the work involved in the wings.=C2- =0ADick N.=0A----- Original M
essage ----- =0A>From: H RULE =0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent
: Sunday, March 21, 2010 10:12 PM=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just anot
her idea and concept to ponder=0A>=0A>=0A>another question along the same l
ines would be" could a PIET be built by as many builders as it would take o
ver the Brodhead weekend?"Much the same way as they build the aluminum stol
aircraft, CH701,at the Sun N Fun weekend.Then auction or raffle it off at
the end of the weekend for some lucky person to take home.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A__
______________________________=0AFrom: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.co
m>=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A>Sent: Sun, March 21, 2010 10:47:1
0 PM=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponde
pring.com>=0A>=0A>VERY cool idea.=C2- Logistics will be the challenge but
I'm definitely in!=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>-----Original Message-----=0A>=0A>From:
AMsafetyC@aol.com=0A>=0A>Sent: Mar 19, 2010 7:00 PM=0A>=0A>To: pietenpol-li
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Looking very nice, Jack
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 7:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Update
Fuselage is going well. I updated my site with some more photos.
http://www.textors.com/PietProject.html
Jack
DSM
www.textors.com <http://www.textors.com/>
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| Subject: | for the absolute best source of Pietenpol photos anywhere |
By far, without question, Chris Tracy's Westcoast Piet web site has the fin
est selection of Pietenpol photos anywhere.
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/pictures.htm
You could spend hours here easily and you'll see more detail and more plane
s than you would
see in going to five Brodhead events. (but come anyway, please......espec
ially if you wear high black dress socks up
to your knees in sandals with suspenders, a plaid shirt, and wear a pith he
lmet)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Update |
Looks very nice Jack!
Mike Townsley
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:03 AM, Jack <jack@textors.com> wrote:
> Fuselage is going well. I updated my site with some more photos.
> http://www.textors.com/PietProject.html
>
> Jack
>
> DSM
>
> www.textors.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: just another idea and concept to ponder |
Would you want to fly a plane built using the primary goal of 'Did it in a weekend?'
I would have my hesitations.
Are they still doing the build-it-during-the-week thing with the Zenair's at Sun
'n Fun? I remember them doing it back in the early 90's, but I thought the practice
had been discontinued.
The choreography for a Piet would be far different. A riveted joint is bang bang
bang, ready to fly, right away, no glue to dry. Figuring out how to coordinate
construction of assemblies while the glue is drying on others would be quite
the challenge. I suppose you could have everybody build a rib (one glue pause)
then assemble them all (second glue pause). I'd have to think about the glue
pauses for a wood fuselage.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: H RULE
Sent: Mar 21, 2010 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder
another question along the same lines would be" could a PIET be built by as many
builders as it would take over the Brodhead weekend?"Much the same way as they
build the aluminum stol aircraft, CH701,at the Sun N Fun weekend.Then auction
or raffle it off at the end of the weekend for some lucky person to take home.
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Sent: Sun, March 21, 2010 10:47:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder
VERY cool idea. Logistics will be the challenge but I'm definitely in!
-----Original Message-----
From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Mar 19, 2010 7:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder
Hello good people.....
A new idea and concept for the group to ponder.
As we all know and have recognized we all share a common bond as fellow
lovers of the blue, aviators, builders connected through the design genius of
Bernard Pietenpol and his flying contraption the aeroplane. We as a collection
of builders have at our disposal some, many and all of the requisite skill
levels to construct such a machine with little assistance or intervention from
the outside world.
The there are those who would love to join our ranks but may be lacking in
skills, equipment and time to turn their dream into a reality. From
prints to Piet if you will. We know that everyone has a skill set that is good
in some areas and not so good in others. Knowing these basic tenants I am
curious as to who or what builders would welcome the talents of other builders
equipped with tools and skills would be interested in having a group of builders
show up at their hanger, barn, basement or garage for a weekend build utilizing
all the skills of the people interested in lending a hand to accomplish a number
of tasks to get the project going bring the tools to get the certain aspects
completed. Woodworkers, metal workers, mechanical workers and the like showing
up to get a build from a stalled stage to a more accomplished state of being a
Pietenpol.
I am speaking about two groups of people, those with the skills and
resources capable of committing to a 2 or 3 day weekend to participate in
building another Piet as one group. The other group would be a builder or would
be builder who in need of assistance in advancing their project to a next or
greater level of completion.
This again is but another concept for consideration. For example I have
both tools not all that I need but certainly more than other that are portable,
a trailer to transport them and no skills to speak of. I also have lodging as in
a popup/tent camper to bring to a build site for a few days to help another
builder. There are others with tools and skills that may also be portable.
Through this cooperative of a half dozen or more people who would be
willing to share their time and expertise to get another build moving and
another builder to a next level of completion.
I am wonder how many of us would be willing to pitch in for a week end to
help and how many would be interested in receiving those willing to help.
Before I go any further with this concept it would be nice to know if there
is any interest at all in helping or being helped.
Just in case you were wondering, I have all of my tools marked for
identification purposes. I know how this works.
Helpers bring tools and skills and resources as needed helped
provide a keg on tap burgers and a place for a fire and I think we are cooking
with gas!
What say you?
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Congrats Skip!
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BUY IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You can't loose at that price. BUY IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
>list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of chase143(at)aol.com
>Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 9:42 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 cost
>
><chase143@aol.com>
>
>A friend offered me an A-65, with spare mags, carburetor, pieces as
>required. Describes it in good shape, running recently, replaced for
>larger engine. How does $1800 sound? I know there can be a big
>disparity, but I have no recent price experience. I would probably
>overhaul anyway based on what I am able to do myself and/or cost to have
>someone else do it if required. Any recent cost experiences?
>Thanks,
>Steve
>
>--------
>Steve
>www.mypiet.com
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291233#291233
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Phase I complete for 6926J |
Thanks Ben and Rick,
Rick, Go for it! Actually the guy selling, Mike Frazier has a steel tube
Piet project, so a guy might be able to get a home on a runway and the Piet
project all at one shot.
Skip
> wow, only $149K for a nice house with a 40x40
> hanger at your airpark. I could almost afford to retire now to a place
> that reasonable, and then we would have 3 Piets on the field.
>
> rick
>
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| Subject: | Re: just another idea and concept to ponder |
John,
Sounds like an old-fashioned barn-raising where the whole community
turned out to build a neighbor's barn. I like it!
I don't know if I'd be able to get it past the head of the ways and
means committee, though. *sigh*
Reading more of the thread - if someone showed up with all the ribs and
tips built, could the rest of the wing be done in a couple of days?
Dan
On 03/19/2010 07:00 PM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
> Hello good people.....
> A new idea and concept for the group to ponder.
> As we all know and have recognized we all share a common bond as fellow
> lovers of the blue, aviators, builders connected through the design
> genius of Bernard Pietenpol and his flying contraption the aeroplane. We
> as a collection of builders have at our disposal some, many and all of
> the requisite skill levels to construct such a machine with little
> assistance or intervention from the outside world.
> The there are those who would love to join our ranks but may be lacking
> in skills, equipment and time to turn their dream into a reality. From
> prints to Piet if you will. We know that everyone has a skill set that
> is good in some areas and not so good in others. Knowing these basic
> tenants I am curious as to who or what builders would welcome the
> talents of other builders equipped with tools and skills would be
> interested in having a group of builders show up at their hanger, barn,
> basement or garage for a weekend build utilizing all the skills of the
> people interested in lending a hand to accomplish a number of tasks to
> get the project going bring the tools to get the certain aspects
> completed. Woodworkers, metal workers, mechanical workers and the like
> showing up to get a build from a stalled stage to a more accomplished
> state of being a Pietenpol.
> I am speaking about two groups of people, those with the skills and
> resources capable of committing to a 2 or 3 day weekend to participate
> in building another Piet as one group. The other group would be a
> builder or would be builder who in need of assistance in advancing their
> project to a next or greater level of completion.
> This again is but another concept for consideration. For example I have
> both tools not all that I need but certainly more than other that are
> portable, a trailer to transport them and no skills to speak of. I also
> have lodging as in a popup/tent camper to bring to a build site for a
> few days to help another builder. There are others with tools and skills
> that may also be portable.
> Through this cooperative of a half dozen or more people who would be
> willing to share their time and expertise to get another build moving
> and another builder to a next level of completion.
> I am wonder how many of us would be willing to pitch in for a week end
> to help and how many would be interested in receiving those willing to
> help.
> Before I go any further with this concept it would be nice to know if
> there is any interest at all in helping or being helped.
> Just in case you were wondering, I have all of my tools marked for
> identification purposes. I know how this works.
> Helpers bring tools and skills and resources as needed helped provide a
> keg on tap burgers and a place for a fire and I think we are cooking
> with gas!
> What say you?
> John
>
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Very nice, looks just like my workshop with two completed wings
hanging overhead waiting for covering.
Rick
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 5:03 AM, Jack <jack@textors.com> wrote:
> Fuselage is going well. I updated my site with some more photos.
> http://www.textors.com/PietProject.html
>
> Jack
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I'd have two questions which could vary the value of it significantly.
1. Is it a certified engine with logs? A certified engine will obviously bring
more than a non-certified engine, or one that once was certified but hasn't been
maintained that way. IIRC, a certified engine in your Piet would also reduce
the required time for your test flights from 40 hours down to 25.
2. What are the compression numbers on the cylinders? This is a standard benchmark
of engine health. While it doesn't guarantee perfection, it's a good starting
point.
Neither of these are show-stoppers; they just change the numbers.
Jim Ash
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>From: "chase143(at)aol.com" <chase143@aol.com>
>Sent: Mar 22, 2010 9:41 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 cost
>
>
>A friend offered me an A-65, with spare mags, carburetor, pieces as required.
Describes it in good shape, running recently, replaced for larger engine. How
does $1800 sound? I know there can be a big disparity, but I have no recent price
experience. I would probably overhaul anyway based on what I am able to do
myself and/or cost to have someone else do it if required. Any recent cost experiences?
>Thanks,
>Steve
>
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>Steve
>www.mypiet.com
>
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With accessories and even if it is run-out, that is a good price.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
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> A friend offered me an A-65, with spare mags, carburetor, pieces as
required. Describes it in good shape, running recently, replaced for
larger engine. How does $1800 sound? I know there can be a big
disparity, but I have no recent price experience. I would probably
overhaul anyway based on what I am able to do myself and/or cost to have
someone else do it if required. Any recent cost experiences?
> Thanks,
> Steve
>
> --------
> Steve
> www.mypiet.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Update |
Seeing the bare fuselage gives an idea of just how robust the Piet airframe is.
Those beefy 1x1 framing members really make for a stout airplane.
Very clean work, Jack.
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San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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Sounds like a good price to me, Steve. I paid $1500 for my A-65 as
literally a box of parts 10 years ago. I put another $6,000 into it in
overhauling it, including new cylinders and pistons, new camshaft, new
magnetos, etc.
As for overhauling it yourself, I heartily recommend it. Buy the Mattituck
video on how to overhaul an O-200 (available from AS&S) and just follow the
same procedures. Overhaul manuals for A65's are readily available. They
are pretty easy to follow and few special tools are required, other than a
piston ring compressor. When you are done, you will know your engine
thoroughly.
Jack Phillips
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 cost
<chase143@aol.com>
A friend offered me an A-65, with spare mags, carburetor, pieces as
required. Describes it in good shape, running recently, replaced for larger
engine. How does $1800 sound? I know there can be a big disparity, but I
have no recent price experience. I would probably overhaul anyway based on
what I am able to do myself and/or cost to have someone else do it if
required. Any recent cost experiences?
Thanks,
Steve
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Steve Hi from UK.
To protect your friend from any liability and litigation can I suggest I'll
take the A65 off his hands and save you wasting your money!
Seriously though at that price you should snap it up. In fact I think it
would be economic to ship to UK even. Go for it and even if it's not used
you can resell it anytime and it will go.
Regards
Gerry
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Take it, don't look back! I would jump all over it for that price.
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 cost
om>
A friend offered me an A-65, with spare mags, carburetor, pieces as require
d. Describes it in good shape, running recently, replaced for larger engine
. How does $1800 sound? I know there can be a big disparity, but I have no
recent price experience. I would probably overhaul anyway based on what I a
m able to do myself and/or cost to have someone else do it if required. Any
recent cost experiences?
Thanks,
Steve
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How many hours does it have in the last 3-5 years? What are the
compressions? What state are the mags in? How long since major?
Some or a lot of recent time is good. Can you check the cylinders and
cam for corrosion before buying? It'd be nice to pop a cylinder or
two off.
If it was built with good parts, $1,800 is a good deal. I just paid
$900 to overhaul two cylinders a few months ago.
Also, did you see the recent article in EAA Sport Aviation magazine
about engines having substantially lower failure rates as they have
more and more hours? Because that is the case, I'd be more interested
in this engine if it has 500 hours than if it has 50 hours.
Steve Ruse
Quoting "chase143(at)aol.com" <chase143@aol.com>:
> <chase143@aol.com>
>
> A friend offered me an A-65, with spare mags, carburetor, pieces as
> required. Describes it in good shape, running recently, replaced for
> larger engine. How does $1800 sound? I know there can be a big
> disparity, but I have no recent price experience. I would probably
> overhaul anyway based on what I am able to do myself and/or cost to
> have someone else do it if required. Any recent cost experiences?
> Thanks,
> Steve
>
> --------
> Steve
> www.mypiet.com
>
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Great replies all!!
~I believe it is certified, has all log books (and many spare parts)
~Jack, I will look for the video, I'd like to rebuild myself (I have a ring compressor
I once used on my 351 Cleveland)
~Steve, very interesting stats, I will look up the EAA article.
~Thanks for all the offers to take off my hands! That answers my question! lol
I think it's a done deal! Thanks again.
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Update |
Hi Jack,
Your fuselage shows very nice and good work. Its really looking good and making
good progress.
Keep it up,
Jim B.
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol on wheels
Tail surfaces done
Wing ribs done
Corvair engine
Mar 22, 2010 05:08:21 AM, pietenpol-list@matronics.com wrote:
Fuselage is going well. I updated my site with some more photos. http://www.textors.com/PietProject.html
Jack
DSM
www.textors.com
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Beautiful work Jack! I hope mine will look as good.
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Same here. Can't beat the Cont. Mine is 70 years old and has
plenty left in her. Like the guys say......BUY IT.
Mike King
77MK
GN-1
Corpus Christi
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From: Michael Perez
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 cost
Take it, don't look back! I would jump all over it for that price.
--- On Mon, 3/22/10, chase143(at)aol.com <chase143@aol.com> wrote:
From: chase143(at)aol.com <chase143@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 cost
<chase143@aol.com>
A friend offered me an A-65, with spare mags, carburetor, pieces as
required. Describes it in good shape, running recently, replaced for larger
engine. How does $1800 sound? I know there can be a big disparity, but I
have no recent price experience. I would probably overhaul anyway based on
what I am able to do myself and/or cost to have someone else do it if
required. Any recent cost experiences?
Thanks,
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: just another idea and concept to ponder |
So... what assemblies are you lacking John? Do you have all the materials or will
we spend most of the first day down at the lumber yard sifting through scraps?
Will you be providing food and drink? How big is the basement?
[Laughing]
[quote="Amsafetyc"]Valuable comments thanksActually not talking about a complete
ship and not at Brodhead. Just at a builders location looking for a weekend
of intense building by a group able and capable of working on everything in need
of help to advance the project. All based on the builders wants,needs,schedule
and raw materials/parts on hand. With enough bench space,clamps, jigging
and a saw man it is possible to frame out the fuse and tail feathers in a weekend.
I am not advocating we do this tomorrow but if there were interested parties
maybe in 6 month or soJohn
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: "Dick N"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder
No, that couldn't be done. Not to a completed ship if that's what you are suggesting.
A bare fuselage would take 6 days alone. Just think of the work involved
in the wings.
Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: Phase I complete for 6926J |
> Rick, Go for it! Actually the guy selling, Mike Frazier has a steel tube
> Piet project, so a guy might be able to get a home on a runway and the Piet
> project all at one shot.
> Skip
Kind of a aviation/piet geek trifecta. ;)
do not archive
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Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: A-65 cost - Engine TBO & EAA article |
Below is a link to the article I was referring to. You have to sign
up to Oshkosh365.org to read them I think. Good article. A 2nd
article in the series was in this month's magazine:
http://www.sportaviationonline.org/sportaviation/201002/#pg90
Steve
Quoting "chase143(at)aol.com" <chase143@aol.com>:
> <chase143@aol.com>
>
> Great replies all!!
> ~I believe it is certified, has all log books (and many spare parts)
> ~Jack, I will look for the video, I'd like to rebuild myself (I have
> a ring compressor I once used on my 351 Cleveland)
> ~Steve, very interesting stats, I will look up the EAA article.
> ~Thanks for all the offers to take off my hands! That answers my
> question! lol
> I think it's a done deal! Thanks again.
> Steve
>
> --------
> Steve
> www.mypiet.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A-65 cost - Engine TBO & EAA article |
I didn't read the article =2C but I think it will say that frequency is mor
e important than total. An engine that flies 5 hrs/yr won't even come clos
e to TBO=2C but one that flies 100 hrs/yr will. The last airplane we had w
as still flying with good numbers past TBO. It was flown 150hrs/yr.
Doug Dever
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| Subject: | Re: just another idea and concept to ponder |
Mark,
I got my fuse , wings, tail feathers, center section, landing gear,
cabane's and struts built along with most of my metal fittings in stainles
s done
and the firewall is installed. As soon as I can get a hanger I plan to beg
in
my trial fits and finishing mounting brackets for alignment. I also had
2
tanks nearly built however 032 aluminum is easily bent on my home made
large profile brake just not to easy to get the tig welding settings exac
tly
right. First arc big honking holes.
Soon as I move into a hanger I can do more adjusting on the Piet and I am
planning the construction of my hanger kegger just in case the thirst hits
me. Right now we are talking about electric, I need 220/100 amp service to
run my welders and compressor and the airport only provides one single 11
0 v
15 amp circuit. not nearly enough for serious builders with tools.
Soon as I can load the flatbed with steel for the benches and tools I am
ready to move the piet to its new home, were I can drink and make sparks
all
the day.
John
Bring it on home boy
In a message dated 3/22/2010 2:08:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
hangar10@cox.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
So... what assemblies are you lacking John? Do you have all the material
s
or will we spend most of the first day down at the lumber yard sifting
through scraps? Will you be providing food and drink? How big is the
basement?
[Laughing]
[quote="Amsafetyc"]Valuable comments thanksActually not talking about
a
complete ship and not at Brodhead. Just at a builders location looking fo
r a
weekend of intense building by a group able and capable of working on
everything in need of help to advance the project. All based on the build
ers
wants,needs,schedule and raw materials/parts on hand. With enough bench
space,clamps, jigging and a saw man it is possible to frame out the fuse
and
tail feathers in a weekend. I am not advocating we do this tomorrow but
if
there were interested parties maybe in 6 month or soJohn
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: "Dick N"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder
No, that couldn't be done.=EF=BD Not to a completed ship if that's wh
at you
are suggesting.=EF=BD A bare fuselage would take 6 days alone.=EF
=BD Just think
of the work involved in the wings.=EF=BD
Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: just another idea and concept to ponder |
Dan,
That is exactly the concept. Living in Lancaster PA we often have a chance
to run across an Amish barn being built, just like in the movie Witness or
a Kingdom Hall like the Jehovah witnesses. Really its about a bunch of
folks pitching in to get another Piet project off the ground.
I am certain that much can be accomplished is short order with the right
hands doing there best to make it happen. To me it sounds like fun and a
chance to learn from all the others there is much for each of us to share and
learn.
John
In a message dated 3/22/2010 12:45:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
yocum@fnal.gov writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
John,
Sounds like an old-fashioned barn-raising where the whole community
turned out to build a neighbor's barn. I like it!
I don't know if I'd be able to get it past the head of the ways and
means committee, though. *sigh*
Reading more of the thread - if someone showed up with all the ribs and
tips built, could the rest of the wing be done in a couple of days?
Dan
On 03/19/2010 07:00 PM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
> Hello good people.....
> A new idea and concept for the group to ponder.
> As we all know and have recognized we all share a common bond as fellow
> lovers of the blue, aviators, builders connected through the design
> genius of Bernard Pietenpol and his flying contraption the aeroplane. We
> as a collection of builders have at our disposal some, many and all of
> the requisite skill levels to construct such a machine with little
> assistance or intervention from the outside world.
> The there are those who would love to join our ranks but may be lacking
> in skills, equipment and time to turn their dream into a reality. From
> prints to Piet if you will. We know that everyone has a skill set that
> is good in some areas and not so good in others. Knowing these basic
> tenants I am curious as to who or what builders would welcome the
> talents of other builders equipped with tools and skills would be
> interested in having a group of builders show up at their hanger, barn,
> basement or garage for a weekend build utilizing all the skills of the
> people interested in lending a hand to accomplish a number of tasks to
> get the project going bring the tools to get the certain aspects
> completed. Woodworkers, metal workers, mechanical workers and the like
> showing up to get a build from a stalled stage to a more accomplished
> state of being a Pietenpol.
> I am speaking about two groups of people, those with the skills and
> resources capable of committing to a 2 or 3 day weekend to participate
> in building another Piet as one group. The other group would be a
> builder or would be builder who in need of assistance in advancing their
> project to a next or greater level of completion.
> This again is but another concept for consideration. For example I have
> both tools not all that I need but certainly more than other that are
> portable, a trailer to transport them and no skills to speak of. I also
> have lodging as in a popup/tent camper to bring to a build site for a
> few days to help another builder. There are others with tools and skills
> that may also be portable.
> Through this cooperative of a half dozen or more people who would be
> willing to share their time and expertise to get another build moving
> and another builder to a next level of completion.
> I am wonder how many of us would be willing to pitch in for a week end
> to help and how many would be interested in receiving those willing to
> help.
> Before I go any further with this concept it would be nice to know if
> there is any interest at all in helping or being helped.
> Just in case you were wondering, I have all of my tools marked for
> identification purposes. I know how this works.
> Helpers bring tools and skills and resources as needed helped provide a
> keg on tap burgers and a place for a fire and I think we are cooking
> with gas!
> What say you?
> John
>
> *
>
>
> *
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Yuck!
Just thought I'd throw that in there for contrast.
Really, though, Jack - like everyone else said, you're doing VERY nice work.
But your shop is a mess! In one of the photos, it looks like there's a binder under
your workbench that is sticking out about 3/4"! That can't actually be a
real workshop. I should post a photo of my mess, so you can see what the other
end of the spectrum looks like. (can you tell I'm jealous?)
Bill C.
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Even that depends on other factors, like how the engine is stored.
The engine in my plane (an A-75) was last overhauled in 1967...43
years ago. It has about 1,000 total time now. Clearly it has at
points gone for years without running in that time. I've put about
400 on it in the last six years, and it is in great shape. The cam
and internals look good, and the 400 recent hours I put on it indicate
that it is still solid. It has had cylinders replaced, and new
mags...but the bottom-end is solid (or is it the middle-end on an
opposed engine?). If there had been rust on the cam or crank six
years ago, it would've been apparent by now. When I had two cylinders
off last year, the internals looked good.
Of course, it is BEST to run an engine often. But not running it
often doesn't always mean it will be ruined, just that it is more
likely. Clearly mine was somehow protected from corrosion.
Steve Ruse
Quoting Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com>:
>
> I didn't read the article , but I think it will say that frequency
> is more important than total. An engine that flies 5 hrs/yr won't
> even come close to TBO, but one that flies 100 hrs/yr will. The
> last airplane we had was still flying with good numbers past TBO.
> It was flown 150hrs/yr.
>
> Doug Dever
> In beautiful Stow Ohio
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Update |
Bet my workshop is messier than yours! My dog doesn't even like being
in my shop because its such a mess.
rick
do not archive
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> Yuck!
>
> Just thought I'd throw that in there for contrast.
>
> Really, though, Jack - like everyone else said, you're doing VERY nice work.
>
> But your shop is a mess! In one of the photos, it looks like there's a binder
under your workbench that is sticking out about 3/4"! That can't actually be
a real workshop. I should post a photo of my mess, so you can see what the other
end of the spectrum looks like. (can you tell I'm jealous?)
>
> Bill C.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A-65 cost - Engine TBO & EAA article |
Storing an engine in humid Florida vs. dry Colorado could make a
difference over a few decades.
rick
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com> wrote:
>
> Even that depends on other factors, like how the engine is stored. The
> engine in my plane (an A-75) was last overhauled in 1967...43 years ago. It
> has about 1,000 total time now. Clearly it has at points gone for years
> without running in that time. I've put about 400 on it in the last six
> years, and it is in great shape. The cam and internals look good, and the
> 400 recent hours I put on it indicate that it is still solid. It has had
> cylinders replaced, and new mags...but the bottom-end is solid (or is it the
> middle-end on an opposed engine?). If there had been rust on the cam or
> crank six years ago, it would've been apparent by now. When I had two
> cylinders off last year, the internals looked good.
>
> Of course, it is BEST to run an engine often. But not running it often
> doesn't always mean it will be ruined, just that it is more likely. Clearly
> mine was somehow protected from corrosion.
>
> Steve Ruse
>
> Quoting Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com>:
>
>>
>> I didn't read the article , but I think it will say that frequency is
>> more important than total. An engine that flies 5 hrs/yr won't even come
>> close to TBO, but one that flies 100 hrs/yr will. The last airplane we had
>> was still flying with good numbers past TBO. It was flown 150hrs/yr.
>>
>> Doug Dever
>> In beautiful Stow Ohio
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: just another idea and concept to ponder |
Ok, I was just trying to be funny. Kind of like... maybe you were recruiting to
get some cheap labor.
Thanks for the update. LOL!
[quote="Amsafetyc"]Mark,
I got my fuse , wings, tail feathers, center section, landing gear, cabane's
and struts built along with most of my metal fittings in stainless done and the
firewall is installed. As soon as I can get a hanger I plan to begin my trial
fits and finishing mounting brackets for alignment. I also had 2 tanks nearly
built however 032 aluminum is easily bent on my home made large profile
brake just not to easy to get the tig welding settings exactly right. First arc
big honking holes.
Soon as I move into a hanger I can do more adjusting on the Pietand I am planning
the construction of my hanger kegger just in case the thirst hits me. Right
now we are talking about electric, I need 220/100 amp service to run my welders
and compressor and the airport only provides one single 110 v 15 amp circuit.
not nearly enough for serious builders with tools.
Soon as I can load the flatbed with steel for the benches and tools I am ready
to move the piet to its new home, were I can drink and make sparks all the
day.
John
Bring it on home boy
In a message dated 3/22/2010 2:08:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hangar10@cox.net
writes:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC"
>
> So... what assemblies are you lacking John? Do you have all the materials
or will we spend most of the first day down at the lumber yard sifting through
scraps? Will you be providing food and drink? How big is the basement?
>
> [Laughing]
>
> [quote="Amsafetyc"]Valuable comments thanksActually not talking about a complete
ship and not at Brodhead. Just at a builders location looking for a
weekend of intense building by a group able and capable of working on everything
in need of help to advance the project. All based on the builders wants,needs,schedule
and raw materials/parts on hand. With enough bench space,clamps,
jigging and a saw man it is possible to frame out the fuse and tail
feathers in a weekend. I am not advocating we do this tomorrow but if there
were interested parties maybe in 6 month or soJohn
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: "Dick N"
> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:12:35 -0500
> To:
> Subject: Re: just another idea and concept to ponder
>
> No, that couldn't be done. Not to a completed ship if that's what you are
suggesting. A bare fuselage would take 6 days alone. Just think of the
work involved in the wings.
> Dick N.
>
>
> > ---
> >
> >
>
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Update |
Oh yeah?
Well, I can't even FIND my dog in my workshop. (beat that)
BC
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Jim,
In answer to your #1, It doesn't have to be certified to have a fly off
hour of 25. Mine wasn't and I did the 25 hour Phase 1.
Just my 2 cents.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Ash
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 cost
I'd have two questions which could vary the value of it significantly.
1. Is it a certified engine with logs? A certified engine will
obviously bring more than a non-certified engine, or one that once was
certified but hasn't been maintained that way. IIRC, a certified engine
in your Piet would also reduce the required time for your test flights
from 40 hours down to 25.
2. What are the compression numbers on the cylinders? This is a
standard benchmark of engine health. While it doesn't guarantee
perfection, it's a good starting point.
Neither of these are show-stoppers; they just change the numbers.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: "chase143(at)aol.com" <chase143@aol.com>
>Sent: Mar 22, 2010 9:41 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 cost
>
<chase143@aol.com>
>
>A friend offered me an A-65, with spare mags, carburetor, pieces as
required. Describes it in good shape, running recently, replaced for
larger engine. How does $1800 sound? I know there can be a big
disparity, but I have no recent price experience. I would probably
overhaul anyway based on what I am able to do myself and/or cost to have
someone else do it if required. Any recent cost experiences?
>Thanks,
>Steve
>
>--------
>Steve
>www.mypiet.com
>
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Oh yeah?
Well, I can't even FIND my wife in my workshop....oh that's right I got
rid of the "Practice Wife", and kept the Piet mistress.
BJ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Church
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 2:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Update
<billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Oh yeah?
Well, I can't even FIND my dog in my workshop. (beat that)
BC
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I am building a Piet and have decided on the Continental A-65 and I want to
hear from everyone.
What size prop are you using with the A-65?
-
Thanks, Jeff=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: What size prop |
I have a Sensenich 72X40, which is considered a climb prop on a Cub. It
pulls the full 2300 RPM in a climb, and I still cruise at 78 mph at 2100
rpm.
Ben
On 3/22/2010 5:30 PM, jeff wilson wrote:
> I am building a Piet and have decided on the Continental A-65 and I
> want to hear from everyone.
> What size prop are you using with the A-65?
> Thanks, Jeff
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: just another idea and concept to ponder |
Remember guys, as some famous writer said,,,"Its not the
destination,,,but the journey that's important"
I loved working on my Piet,,,without any kind of pressure.
"some like to build,,and some like to fly"
"don't build to fly" but "build to build"
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Yocum
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder
John,
Sounds like an old-fashioned barn-raising where the whole community
turned out to build a neighbor's barn. I like it!
I don't know if I'd be able to get it past the head of the ways and
means committee, though. *sigh*
Reading more of the thread - if someone showed up with all the ribs
and
tips built, could the rest of the wing be done in a couple of days?
Dan
On 03/19/2010 07:00 PM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
> Hello good people.....
> A new idea and concept for the group to ponder.
> As we all know and have recognized we all share a common bond as
fellow
> lovers of the blue, aviators, builders connected through the design
> genius of Bernard Pietenpol and his flying contraption the
aeroplane. We
> as a collection of builders have at our disposal some, many and all
of
> the requisite skill levels to construct such a machine with little
> assistance or intervention from the outside world.
> The there are those who would love to join our ranks but may be
lacking
> in skills, equipment and time to turn their dream into a reality.
From
> prints to Piet if you will. We know that everyone has a skill set
that
> is good in some areas and not so good in others. Knowing these basic
> tenants I am curious as to who or what builders would welcome the
> talents of other builders equipped with tools and skills would be
> interested in having a group of builders show up at their hanger,
barn,
> basement or garage for a weekend build utilizing all the skills of
the
> people interested in lending a hand to accomplish a number of tasks
to
> get the project going bring the tools to get the certain aspects
> completed. Woodworkers, metal workers, mechanical workers and the
like
> showing up to get a build from a stalled stage to a more
accomplished
> state of being a Pietenpol.
> I am speaking about two groups of people, those with the skills and
> resources capable of committing to a 2 or 3 day weekend to
participate
> in building another Piet as one group. The other group would be a
> builder or would be builder who in need of assistance in advancing
their
> project to a next or greater level of completion.
> This again is but another concept for consideration. For example I
have
> both tools not all that I need but certainly more than other that
are
> portable, a trailer to transport them and no skills to speak of. I
also
> have lodging as in a popup/tent camper to bring to a build site for
a
> few days to help another builder. There are others with tools and
skills
> that may also be portable.
> Through this cooperative of a half dozen or more people who would be
> willing to share their time and expertise to get another build
moving
> and another builder to a next level of completion.
> I am wonder how many of us would be willing to pitch in for a week
end
> to help and how many would be interested in receiving those willing
to
> help.
> Before I go any further with this concept it would be nice to know
if
> there is any interest at all in helping or being helped.
> Just in case you were wondering, I have all of my tools marked for
> identification purposes. I know how this works.
> Helpers bring tools and skills and resources as needed helped
provide a
> keg on tap burgers and a place for a fire and I think we are cooking
> with gas!
> What say you?
> John
>
> *
>
>
> *
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Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Bj,
Wow,
I think I like you!
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 4:52 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Update
Oh yeah?
Well, I can't even FIND my wife in my workshop....oh that's right I
got
rid of the "Practice Wife", and kept the Piet mistress.
BJ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Church
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 2:38 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Update
<billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Oh yeah?
Well, I can't even FIND my dog in my workshop. (beat that)
BC
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| Subject: | Re: just another idea and concept to ponder |
I was thinking the same thing. With a mass build, who would be
responsible for quality control? There is a little reassurance when you
strap your butt in and add the throttle, that you have done YOUR best to
make it right. The skills you learn during the journey are part of the
process.
Ben Charvet
On 3/22/2010 5:35 PM, walt wrote:
> Remember guys, as some famous writer said,,,"Its not the
> destination,,,but the journey that's important"
> I loved working on my Piet,,,without any kind of pressure.
> "some like to build,,and some like to fly"
> "don't build to fly" but "build to build"
> walt evans
> NX140DL
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Update |
I hope the blessed wife does not read your emails
________________________________
From: walt <waltdak@verizon.net>
Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 5:36:01 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Update
Bj,
Wow,
I think I like you!
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
>From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 4:52
>PM
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage
> Update
>
>
>Oh
> yeah?
>
>Well, I can't even FIND my wife in my workshop....oh that's right
> I got
>rid of the "Practice Wife", and kept the Piet
> mistress.
>
>BJ
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]
> On Behalf Of Bill
>Church
>Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 2:38 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject:
> Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Update
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message
> posted by: "Bill Church"
><billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
>Oh
> yeah?
>Well, I can't even FIND my dog in my workshop. (beat
> that)
>
>BC
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291317#291317
>
>
>>
> http://www.matnbsp;
>via the Web
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>_p;
>generous
> bsp;
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c================
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Update |
Bill and all,
Thanks for the kind words, it all helps! Bill, do you think I'm anal? I do
always make sure to dust before mixing epoxy or measuring a for critical
cut. Honestly, Wife Susan is very understanding of all the dust, noise and
swearing rising up from the family room.
Jack
DSM
Yuck!
Just thought I'd throw that in there for contrast.
Really, though, Jack - like everyone else said, you're doing VERY nice work.
But your shop is a mess! In one of the photos, it looks like there's a
binder under your workbench that is sticking out about 3/4"! That can't
actually be a real workshop. I should post a photo of my mess, so you can
see what the other end of the spectrum looks like. (can you tell I'm
jealous?)
Bill C.
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Okay, so if I have two headsets and want to be able to talk back and forth,
what do I need?
A battery powered intercom and two push to talk switches (if I don't trust
the squelch to work) and that's it?
Douwe
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| Subject: | Instrument Template |
Did some test cutting with my new 3 1/8 forstner bit today, what a honking
bit! Does anyone have a PDF for the instrument screw holes?
Thanks!
Jack
DSM
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Douwe, you only need one PPT switch, and that's for the pilot to
communicate on the radio. The communication between the two people in
the airplane simply goes through the intercom without need of a PPT
switch - you just speak into the microphone. Now, if you want both
the passenger and pilot to be able to communicate on the radio,
things get more complicated.
><douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>
>Okay, so if I have two headsets and want to be able to talk back and forth,
>what do I need?
>
>A battery powered intercom and two push to talk switches (if I don't trust
>the squelch to work) and that's it?
>
>Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: What size prop |
Jeff,
Ben is certainly getting excellent results with his prop. If I were starting from
scratch, I would go for a Cloudcars scimitar prop. The folks there usually
recommend a 76X38 prop for Piets with A-65s. That big swing and the scimitar
shape tend to maximize the thrust per rev, and the scimitar shape flattens out
in climb to allow full revs.
Jeff Boatright and Gene in TN got better results from their Piets after they switched
to Cloudcars. And they look great on the plane. Lastly Jay at Cloudcars
seems great to work with, as well. Check it out.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Charvet
Sent: Mar 22, 2010 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: What size prop
I have a Sensenich 72X40, which is considered a climb prop on a Cub. It pulls
the full 2300 RPM in a climb, and I still cruise at 78 mph at 2100 rpm.
Ben
On 3/22/2010 5:30 PM, jeff wilson wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: What size prop |
We do get great performance with the Cloudcars prop and Jay is easy
to work with. I don't know about it flattening out in cruise. I think
it's the other way around. I'm not sure at all about this, just based
on what I've read. For instance:
Pitch change and the Scimitar shape
The propeller has a fixed pitch that relies on the forward pull of
the propeller to automatically provide pitch change proportional to
the amount of force being applied to the propeller disk. When a
propeller operates at a slower airspeed than its maximum capability,
it has a proportional pull in relation to the velocity of forward
motion, so at takeoff and climb, the propeller will have its largest
forward pull. Due to the scimitar shape, the tip of the propeller
cones forward, as the coning angle changes the propeller will lessen
pitch that provides shorter takeoffs and higher rates of climb. As
the propeller increases in forward speed the disk pressure is
reduced, this forces the propeller to increase pitch and top speed.
This change in pitch is approximately four inches from takeoff to
cruise.
This was taken from http://www.princeaircraft.com/TheProp.aspx
HTH,
Jeff
>
>Jeff,
>
>Ben is certainly getting excellent results with his prop. If I were
>starting from scratch, I would go for a Cloudcars scimitar prop.
>The folks there usually recommend a 76X38 prop for Piets with A-65s.
>That big swing and the scimitar shape tend to maximize the thrust
>per rev, and the scimitar shape flattens out in climb to allow full
>revs.
>
>Jeff Boatright and Gene in TN got better results from their Piets
>after they switched to Cloudcars. And they look great on the plane.
>Lastly Jay at Cloudcars seems great to work with, as well. Check it
>out.
>Tim in central TX
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ben Charvet
>Sent: Mar 22, 2010 4:35 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: What size prop
>
>I have a Sensenich 72X40, which is considered a climb prop on a Cub.
>It pulls the full 2300 RPM in a climb, and I still cruise at 78 mph
>at 2100 rpm.
>
>Ben
>On 3/22/2010 5:30 PM, jeff wilson wrote:
>
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Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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Jeff,
NX18235 is flying with a 72 X 42 prop. Climb rate is 500+ fpm when the
airplane is light but falls to 200 fpm at heavier weights.
At 2050 rpm in level flight I am seeing about 72 - 75 mph. At 2150 rpm I
am seeing 78 - 82 mph.
Greg Cardinal
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From: jeff wilson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 4:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: What size prop
I am building a Piet and have decided on the Continental A-65
and I want to hear from everyone.
What size prop are you using with the A-65?
Thanks, Jeff
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I'll second that. He and Carmen were pleasant to deal with...I'm sure the
prop will be top-notch....I'll let you know in two days when FedEx delivers
it! :)
Ryan
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>wrote:
> timothywillis@earthlink.net>
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> Jeff,
>
> <snip>
Lastly Jay at Cloudcars seems great to work with, as well. Check it out.
> Tim in central TX
>
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Jeff, look again.... I wrote that it flattened out in climb.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Boatright
Sent: Mar 22, 2010 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: What size prop
We do get great performance with the Cloudcars prop and Jay is easy to work with.
I don't know about it flattening out in cruise. I think it's the other way
around. I'm not sure at all about this, just based on what I've read. For instance:
Pitch change and the Scimitar shape
The propeller has a fixed pitch that relies on the forward pull of the propeller
to automatically provide pitch change proportional to the amount of force being
applied to the propeller disk. When a propeller operates at a slower airspeed
than its maximum capability, it has a proportional pull in relation to the
velocity of forward motion, so at takeoff and climb, the propeller will have
its largest forward pull. Due to the scimitar shape, the tip of the propeller
cones forward, as the coning angle changes the propeller will lessen pitch that
provides shorter takeoffs and higher rates of climb. As the propeller increases
in forward speed the disk pressure is reduced, this forces the propeller to
increase pitch and top speed. This change in pitch is approximately four inches
from takeoff to cruise.
This was taken from http://www.princeaircraft.com/TheProp.aspx
HTH,
Jeff
Jeff,
Ben is certainly getting excellent results with his prop. If I were starting from
scratch, I would go for a Cloudcars scimitar prop. The folks there usually
recommend a 76X38 prop for Piets with A-65s. That big swing and the scimitar
shape tend to maximize the thrust per rev, and the scimitar shape flattens out
in climb to allow full revs.
Jeff Boatright and Gene in TN got better results from their Piets after they switched
to Cloudcars. And they look great on the plane. Lastly Jay at Cloudcars
seems great to work with, as well. Check it out.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Charvet
Sent: Mar 22, 2010 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: What size prop
I have a Sensenich 72X40, which is considered a climb prop on a Cub. It pulls
the full 2300 RPM in a climb, and I still cruise at 78 mph at 2100 rpm.
Ben
On 3/22/2010 5:30 PM, jeff wilson wrote:
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Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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