Pietenpol-List Digest Fri 05/06/11

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Fri 05/06/11

Total Messages Posted: 39



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     1. 02:35 AM - Re: Last Control Horn (Kringle)
     2. 03:35 AM - Stewart Warner Fuel gauge help please! (bubbleboy)
     3. 03:37 AM - Better to have a Volt or an Amp gauge? (bubbleboy)
     4. 03:50 AM - Re: Better to have a Volt or an Amp gauge? (skellytown flyer)
     5. 03:56 AM - Re: Better to have a Volt or an Amp gauge? (John Franklin)
     6. 04:12 AM - Re: Better to have a Volt or an Amp gauge? (bubbleboy)
     7. 04:12 AM - Re: Last Control Horn (Dan Yocum)
     8. 04:51 AM - Re: Brodhead '11 (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
     9. 05:06 AM - Re: Brodhead '11 (Gboothe5)
    10. 05:14 AM - Re: Last Control Horn (Gboothe5)
    11. 05:33 AM - Re: Re: Last Control Horn (Gboothe5)
    12. 05:43 AM - Re: Last Control Horn (Kringle)
    13. 06:03 AM - Re: Re: Last Control Horn (Gboothe5)
    14. 06:34 AM - The Perfect Day (Lawrence Williams)
    15. 06:42 AM - Re: The Perfect Day (Gboothe5)
    16. 07:26 AM - Re: Re: Last Control Horn (Ryan Mueller)
    17. 08:09 AM - Re: Better to have a Volt or an Amp gauge? (dgaldrich)
    18. 09:02 AM - Re: Brodhead '11 (Mike Hardaway)
    19. 09:02 AM - Re: Last Control Horn (Dan Yocum)
    20. 10:15 AM - Re: Re: Re: Last Control Horn (Jack)
    21. 10:28 AM - Re: Last Control Horn (gboothe5@comcast.net)
    22. 10:52 AM - Re: Re: Better to have a Volt or an Amp gauge? (bradandlinda tds.net)
    23. 10:55 AM - Re: The Perfect Day (bradandlinda tds.net)
    24. 11:52 AM - Re: aluminum lower strut fitting (bender)
    25. 12:14 PM - Re: Brodhead '11 (Jack Phillips)
    26. 12:24 PM - Re: Brodhead '11 (Gboothe5)
    27. 12:37 PM - Re: Brodhead '11 (Jack Phillips)
    28. 12:55 PM - Re: Brodhead '11 (Gboothe5)
    29. 01:15 PM - Re: Brodhead '11 (Jack Phillips)
    30. 01:25 PM - Re: Brodhead '11 (Gary Boothe)
    31. 04:40 PM - Re: Last Control Horn (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
    32. 05:01 PM - Re: Brodhead '11 (helspersew@aol.com)
    33. 05:02 PM - Re: Last Control Horn (Gboothe5)
    34. 05:09 PM - Re: Brodhead '11, Rambo's progress (helspersew@aol.com)
    35. 05:17 PM - Re: Re: aluminum lower strut fitting (helspersew@aol.com)
    36. 07:05 PM - Re: Brodhead '11 (Dan Yocum)
    37. 07:12 PM - Re: Brodhead '11 (Jack Phillips)
    38. 09:05 PM - Re: Brodhead '11 (airlion)
    39. 10:56 PM - Re: Brodhead '11 (Clif Dawson)
 
 
 

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Time: 02:35:15 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Last Control Horn
From: "Kringle" <Mrkringles@msn.com>      
      
      You could do a few for me  [Laughing]
      
      --------
      John
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339081#339081
      
      

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Time: 03:35:00 AM PST US
Subject: Stewart Warner Fuel gauge help please!
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3@bigpond.com>      
      
      Im planning my instruments at the moment and looking at the Stewart Warner Wings
      fuel tank quantity gauges. There are two models the 82472 and the 82494 from
      Summit Racing. I am comparing the two and the only difference I can see is one
      has a different ohms rating than the other one. Looking through the West Coast
      Piets site a couple of the planes are using these but I cant work out which
      one is right and why the difference in ohms? One says 0 ohms empty, 90 ohms full
      & the other 240 ohms empty, 33 ohms full. Looking at what sender units each
      has, they are different too. 
      
      Can some one please humour me if you would and explain what these mean and which
      one I will need? I will be using it in a fuel tank in the nose. I assume these
      sender units are compatible with 100LL?
      
      Scotty  :?
      
      --------
      Scotty
      
      Tamworth, Australia
      Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
      
      www.scottyspietenpol.com
      
      Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 15 Ribs built...
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339083#339083
      
      

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Time: 03:37:22 AM PST US
Subject: Better to have a Volt or an Amp gauge?
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3@bigpond.com>      
      
      As the heading states, if you could only have one of these, which one is better
      and more useful? Im thinking the Volt Gauge as im using the John Deere setup
      which has the charge light. Maybe its better to have both?
      
      Scotty  :?
      
      --------
      Scotty
      
      Tamworth, Australia
      Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
      
      www.scottyspietenpol.com
      
      Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 15 Ribs built...
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339084#339084
      
      

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Time: 03:50:16 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Better to have a Volt or an Amp gauge?
From: "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1@yahoo.com>      
      
      Well I favor a Volt gage because it should be showing the actual state of charge
      your system has. an Amp gage is more old school at least in automobiles and
      probably looks a little more old fashioned but it only shows whether the battery
      is getting charged or dis-charged at the time. not how much is available.at
      least that is the way I understand it Raymond
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339085#339085
      
      

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Time: 03:56:21 AM PST US
From: John Franklin <jbfjr@peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: Better to have a Volt or an Amp gauge?      
      
      Scott,
      
      If you're only going to have one of them, IMO it would be better to have a voltmeter
      as long as it reads accurately enough to distinguish between the battery's
      nominal voltage and the charging voltage.  That tells you if the charging system
      is working properly.
      
      Regards,
      John F.
      Richmond, TX
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      >From: bubbleboy <scott.dawson3@bigpond.com>
      >Sent: May 6, 2011 5:35 AM
      >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Better to have a Volt or an Amp gauge?
      >
      >
      >As the heading states, if you could only have one of these, which one is better
      and more useful? Im thinking the Volt Gauge as im using the John Deere setup
      which has the charge light. Maybe its better to have both?
      >
      >Scotty  :?
      >
      >--------
      >Scotty
      >
      >Tamworth, Australia
      >Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
      >
      >www.scottyspietenpol.com
      >
      >Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 15 Ribs built...
      >
      >
      >Read this topic online here:
      >
      >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339084#339084
      >
      >
      
      
      ________________________________________
      
      

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Time: 04:12:18 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Better to have a Volt or an Amp gauge?
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3@bigpond.com>      
      
      Thanks guys....so really to differentiate between the nominal and charging voltage,
      when I turn the key to acc/on before starting the engine, it should read
      slightly lower than when the engine is running and the battery is being charged?
      
      I was going to have both but now want to fit a fuel gauge so one will need to go.
      Looks like the Amp gauge!
      
      Scotty
      
      --------
      Scotty
      
      Tamworth, Australia
      Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
      
      www.scottyspietenpol.com
      
      Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 15 Ribs built...
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339088#339088
      
      

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Time: 04:12:53 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Last Control Horn
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com>      
      You could do the other ones again...
      
      Do not archive
      
      -- 
      Dan Yocum
      yocum137@gmail.com
      "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
      
      On May 5, 2011, at 8:35 PM, "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
      
      > How come it is that the last one is the best, and easiest? Start-to-finish
      ; tracing, cutting, cleaning edges, bending, weldingunder 30 minute
      s! Now I wish I had more to do
      > 
      >  
      > 
      > Gary
      > 
      > In beautiful Cool, Ca.
      > 
      >  
      > 
      >  
      > 
      > <Aileron Horn.jpg>
      

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Time: 04:51:46 AM PST US
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Subject: Brodhead '11      
      Be careful in who you associate with at Brodhead Gary.   Some of these guys
       are pure reprobates (myself included)
      and Fourflushers Marybeth.
      
      You're clean and stellar reputation might be tarnished by osmosis.    When 
      are you going to bring all-round good guy
      Mike Hardaway to Brodhead ?    He's way overdue and I'd like to meet him so
      meday.
      
      Mike C.
      
      do not archive
      
      
      [cid:image001.jpg@01CC0BC2.166F84F0]
      

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Time: 05:06:03 AM PST US
From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Subject: Brodhead '11      
      How about it, Mike H.? I think that's him, second row back, second on
      right.he was much thinner then.
      
      
      Do not archive
      
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
      D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]
      Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 4:49 AM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      Be careful in who you associate with at Brodhead Gary.   Some of these guys
      are pure reprobates (myself included)
      
      and Fourflushers Marybeth. 
      
      
      You're clean and stellar reputation might be tarnished by osmosis.    When
      are you going to bring all-round good guy
      
      Mike Hardaway to Brodhead ?    He's way overdue and I'd like to meet him
      someday. 
      
      
      Mike C.
      
      
      do not archive
      
      
      http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/camp_inmates.jpg
      
      

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Time: 05:14:43 AM PST US
From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Subject: Last Control Horn      
      Any control horns on a Flitzer? I might start on those.
      
      
      Do not archive
      
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com 
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan 
      Yocum
      Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 4:11 AM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Last Control Horn
      
      
      You could do the other ones again...
      
      
      Do not archive
      
      -- 
      
      Dan Yocum
      
      yocum137@gmail.com
      
      "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
      
      
      On May 5, 2011, at 8:35 PM, "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
      
      How come it is that the last one is the best, and easiest? 
      Start-to-finish; tracing, cutting, cleaning edges, bending, 
      weldingunder 30 minutes! Now I wish I had more to do
      
      
      Gary
      
      In beautiful Cool, Ca.
      
      
      <Aileron Horn.jpg>
      
      

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Time: 05:33:01 AM PST US
From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Last Control Horn      
      Really? I'd be honored! 
      
      BTW, John, I don't see you on the handy-dandy, Jack Textor Piet List. If you
      want to remain stealth, I understand...won't tell anyone...
      
      Gary
      Do not archive
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
      Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 2:33 AM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Last Control Horn
      
      
      You could do a few for me  [Laughing]
      
      --------
      John
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339081#339081
      
      

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Time: 05:43:10 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Last Control Horn
From: "Kringle" <Mrkringles@msn.com>      
      
      I tried before but couldn't get the form to work.
      
      --------
      John
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339100#339100
      
      

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Time: 06:03:08 AM PST US
From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Last Control Horn      
      
      You may not have an Excel program to open it. If you wish to be on the
      directory, it asks for the following:
      
      First Name	
      Last Name	
      Street	
      City	
      State	
      Zip	
      Country	
      Home Base	
      Occupation	
      Employer	
      Wk Phone	
      Home Phone	
      Cell	
      Primary Email	
      Piet Model	
      Engine	
      N Number	
      Flying? Y/N	
      Web Site	
      Project Status	
      Comments
      
      I understand that Jack also asks for your SS# and mother's maiden name, but
      none of us are buying into that...
      
      If you want to, you can just reply with as much info as you want, and I'll
      add you to the list and update Jack.
      
      Gary
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
      Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 5:41 AM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Last Control Horn
      
      
      I tried before but couldn't get the form to work.
      
      --------
      John
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339100#339100
      
      

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Time: 06:34:48 AM PST US
From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com>
Subject: The Perfect Day      
      "Shoot up to Oregon", Blast across....", Scoot across.....", "Zoom across....",
      
      Dash across....". Son, I'd double check which group you are addressing. We only
      
      talk "plodding" and "Meandering" on the Pietenpol site. Perhaps even a little 
      "Hovering" coming across Kansas.
      
      Larry
      
      Do not archive
      

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Time: 06:42:45 AM PST US
From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Subject: The Perfect Day      
      This isn't the RV site?....[crap..] 
      
      
      Do not archive
      
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
      Williams
      Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 6:32 AM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Perfect Day
      
      
      "Shoot up to Oregon", Blast across....", Scoot across.....", "Zoom
      across....", Dash across....". Son, I'd double check which group you are
      addressing. We only talk "plodding" and "Meandering" on the Pietenpol site.
      Perhaps even a little "Hovering" coming across Kansas.
      
      Larry
      
      Do not archive
      
      

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Time: 07:26:41 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Last Control Horn
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>      
      You forgot the most important field:  Paint Scheme    ;-)
      
      do not archive
      
      On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
      
      >
      > You may not have an Excel program to open it. If you wish to be on the
      > directory, it asks for the following:
      >
      > First Name
      > Last Name
      > Street
      > City
      > State
      > Zip
      > Country
      > Home Base
      > Occupation
      > Employer
      > Wk Phone
      > Home Phone
      > Cell
      > Primary Email
      > Piet Model
      > Engine
      > N Number
      > Flying? Y/N
      > Web Site
      > Project Status
      > Comments
      >
      > I understand that Jack also asks for your SS# and mother's maiden name, but
      > none of us are buying into that...
      >
      > If you want to, you can just reply with as much info as you want, and I'll
      > add you to the list and update Jack.
      >
      > Gary
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
      > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 5:41 AM
      > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Last Control Horn
      >
      >
      > I tried before but couldn't get the form to work.
      >
      > --------
      > John
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339100#339100
      >
      >
      

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Time: 08:09:16 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Better to have a Volt or an Amp gauge?
From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>      
      
      Add my vote to the ones for voltmeter.  As you mentioned, when the master switch
      is first turned on and the engine not running, the voltmeter should read about
      12.6v.  Lead/acid battery cells each provide 2.1v per cell times 6 = 12.6.
      With the engine running normally, the system voltage should be at least 13.5v.
      Any voltmeter you get MUST be accurate and able to discern one from the other.
      Many of the automotive ones read 0-18v and don't have the accuracy or the
      ability to tell the difference between the two critical ranges.
      
      Another advantage of the voltmeter is if the charging system dies, you have an
      idea of when the ignition system is going to make the big fan stop.  Since you
      mention the John Deere alternator, I presume you are doing Corvair power.  One
      of the advantages of the plain old points/condenser ignition system is that
      it'll provide a usable spark well below 9v.
      
      Yet another is simplicity of installation.  The voltmeter can be connected almost
      anywhere on the switched side of the master and neither shunt nor thick wires
      are required as would be the case for the ammeter.
      
      In its favor, an ammeter in the generator feed line (actually a load meter, a la
      Piper) WILL tell you if you have an abnormal load from a misbehaving/shorted
      piece of electrics that could precede the nasty F word, you know, the one that
      rhymes with wire.  A properly designed and protected electrical system should
      minimize the danger from electrical fire but we all know Murphy's Law has not
      been repealed.  Also with an ammeter in the battery line (with plus/minus indications)
      it's REALLY easy to tell which way the current is flowing.  Any current
      from the battery to the electrical system is bad so a quick glance is all
      that's needed in the cross check.
      
      Either one will work but the critical thing is being able to properly interpret
      the indications.
      
      Dave Aldrich
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339115#339115
      
      

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Time: 09:02:27 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Brodhead '11
From: Mike Hardaway <bkemike@gmail.com>      
      Actually, I was shorter then; I'm in the back, out of sight.
      I've been thinking though, about the West Coast Pieters' ROB (Raid on Brodhe
      ad). I think this would be the perfect time to do a bicycle ride across Amer
      ica in tandem with the WCP's. I could  camp at each airport the fleet stops a
      t, in fact I could have everything set up by the time the Piets arrive, maki
      ng for a smooth refuel/overnight.
      I can see it now, me waving from each mountain pass as the WC Piet fleet pas
      ses by...
      Mike Hardaway
      
      Sent from iPlop
      
      
      On May 6, 2011, at 5:03 AM, "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
      
      > How about it, Mike H.? I think that=99s him, second row back, second
       on righthe was much thinner then
      > 
      >  
      > 
      > Do not archive
      > 
      >  
      > 
      > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
      st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSP
      ACE CORP]
      > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 4:49 AM
      > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      > 
      >  
      > 
      > Be careful in who you associate with at Brodhead Gary.   Some of these guy
      s are pure reprobates (myself included)
      > 
      > and Fourflushers Marybeth.
      > 
      >  
      > 
      > You=99re clean and stellar reputation might be tarnished by osmosis.
          When are you going to bring all-round good guy
      > 
      > Mike Hardaway to Brodhead ?    He=99s way overdue and I=99d li
      ke to meet him someday.
      > 
      >  
      > 
      > Mike C.
      > 
      >  
      > 
      > do not archive
      > 
      >  
      > 
      >  
      > 
      >  
      > 
      > <image001.jpg>
      

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Time: 09:02:57 AM PST US
From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Last Control Horn      
      
      
      On 05/06/2011 07:10 AM, Gboothe5 wrote:
      > Any control horns on a Flitzer? I might start on those.
      
      Yup, but they're just flat 4130 16SWG stock - no aerodynamic/structural 
      shaping and welding involved.
      
      do not archive
      
      -- 
      Dan Yocum
      Fermilab  630.840.6509
      yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
      "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
      
      

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Time: 10:15:14 AM PST US
From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
Subject: Re: Last Control Horn      
      
      John, the populated list can also be shared in PDF format which you should
      be able to open.
      Jack
      DSM
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
      Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 7:58 AM
      Subject:  RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Last Control Horn
      
      
      You may not have an Excel program to open it. If you wish to be on the
      directory, it asks for the following:
      
      First Name	
      Last Name	
      Street	
      City	
      State	
      Zip	
      Country	
      Home Base	
      Occupation	
      Employer	
      Wk Phone	
      Home Phone	
      Cell	
      Primary Email	
      Piet Model	
      Engine	
      N Number	
      Flying? Y/N	
      Web Site	
      Project Status	
      Comments
      
      I understand that Jack also asks for your SS# and mother's maiden name, but
      none of us are buying into that...
      
      If you want to, you can just reply with as much info as you want, and I'll
      add you to the list and update Jack.
      
      Gary
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
      Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 5:41 AM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Last Control Horn
      
      
      I tried before but couldn't get the form to work.
      
      --------
      John
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339100#339100
      
      

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Time: 10:28:23 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Last Control Horn
From: gboothe5@comcast.net      
      
      But, if flat stock can be substituted on a Piet, why can't aerodynamic horns be
      substituted on Flitzer? Please give me a ray of hope...
      
      And, do not archive, cause this has nuthin to do with Piets...my appologies.
      ------Original Message------
      From: Dan Yocum
      Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Last Control Horn
      Sent: May 6, 2011 9:00 AM
      
      
      
      On 05/06/2011 07:10 AM, Gboothe5 wrote:
      > Any control horns on a Flitzer? I might start on those.
      
      Yup, but they're just flat 4130 16SWG stock - no aerodynamic/structural 
      shaping and welding involved.
      
      do not archive
      
      -- 
      Dan Yocum
      Fermilab  630.840.6509
      yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
      "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
      
      
      Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
      
      

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Time: 10:52:57 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Better to have a Volt or an Amp gauge?
From: "bradandlinda tds.net" <bradandlinda@tds.net>      
      Re voltmeter.  I put a small motorcycle voltmeter in my
      radio/intercom/battery/recharger kit.  It displays voltage to .01v and has
      an easy to read bright red display.  It measures 1X11/2" and about 1" deep.
      It works great and only cost about $40.   I don't remember where I got it,
      but if you can't find it on Google, let me know and I'll look for the
      paperwork.  Speaking of Murphey's Law,  did you hear, they just found out
      that it was named after the wrong person!
      
      On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 10:06 AM, dgaldrich <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com> wrote:
      
      > dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
      >
      > Add my vote to the ones for voltmeter.  As you mentioned, when the master
      > switch is first turned on and the engine not running, the voltmeter should
      > read about 12.6v.  Lead/acid battery cells each provide 2.1v per cell times
      > 6 = 12.6.  With the engine running normally, the system voltage should be at
      > least 13.5v.  Any voltmeter you get MUST be accurate and able to discern one
      > from the other.  Many of the automotive ones read 0-18v and don't have the
      > accuracy or the ability to tell the difference between the two critical
      > ranges.
      >
      > Another advantage of the voltmeter is if the charging system dies, you have
      > an idea of when the ignition system is going to make the big fan stop.
      >  Since you mention the John Deere alternator, I presume you are doing
      > Corvair power.  One of the advantages of the plain old points/condenser
      > ignition system is that it'll provide a usable spark well below 9v.
      >
      > Yet another is simplicity of installation.  The voltmeter can be connected
      > almost anywhere on the switched side of the master and neither shunt nor
      > thick wires are required as would be the case for the ammeter.
      >
      > In its favor, an ammeter in the generator feed line (actually a load meter,
      > a la Piper) WILL tell you if you have an abnormal load from a
      > misbehaving/shorted piece of electrics that could precede the nasty F word,
      > you know, the one that rhymes with wire.  A properly designed and protected
      > electrical system should minimize the danger from electrical fire but we all
      > know Murphy's Law has not been repealed.  Also with an ammeter in the
      > battery line (with plus/minus indications) it's REALLY easy to tell which
      > way the current is flowing.  Any current from the battery to the electrical
      > system is bad so a quick glance is all that's needed in the cross check.
      >
      > Either one will work but the critical thing is being able to properly
      > interpret the indications.
      >
      > Dave Aldrich
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339115#339115
      >
      >
      

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Time: 10:55:18 AM PST US
Subject: Re: The Perfect Day
From: "bradandlinda tds.net" <bradandlinda@tds.net>      
      I think it would be closer to being a perfect week.
      
      On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
      
      >  I was just thinking=85
      >
      >
      > To steal a thought from Robert Caldwell:  *My idea of a perfect day*=85
      >
      >
      > Gather up a gaggle of West Coast Pieters and shoot up to Oregon=85
      >
      > Hook up with Oscar and a couple other guys from N. Oregon and Washington
      =85
      >
      > Blast across the east Oregon dessert and pick up one or two more from
      > Boise=85
      >
      > Scoot across the southern end of Idaho and up through the Targhee Pass=85
      >
      > Zoom across the Montana Badlands, and meet up with Rick Holland as he
      > dog-legs it up and over=85
      >
      > Dash across the Dakota=92s and pick up a few of you Minnesota Boys=85
      >
      > Arrive in Brodhead, en masse!
      >
      >
      > Now, tell me that wouldn=92t be a Perfect Day!! (My wife says I=92m a dre
      amer=85)
      >
      >
      > Gary
      >
      > Do not archive
      >
      >
      > *
      >
      ===========
      ===========
      ===========
      ===========
      > *
      >
      >
      

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Time: 11:52:59 AM PST US
Subject: Re: aluminum lower strut fitting
From: "bender" <jfaith@solairusaviation.com>      
      
      i've seen that done on others... dan's piet has a cut out... but i was thinking...why
      not attach the strap to the cable to one of the 1/4 bolts going thru the
      insert on the upper part of the strut... does a 3/16 cable need to attach to
      the 5/16 bolt ?? it would serve the same connected to the next bolt down...then
      no cutting
      
      jeff
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339139#339139
      
      

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Time: 12:14:42 PM PST US
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Brodhead '11      
      No.  Real Pietenpol people arrive by airplane.
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
      Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 4:04 PM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      I have made flight reservations for Brodhead, and am offering to share the
      rental car I have reserved. I will be arriving mid-day on Wednesday and
      leaving noonish on Sunday. Anyone interested in riding with me?
      
      
      Gary Boothe
      
      

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Time: 12:24:31 PM PST US
From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Subject: Brodhead '11      
      I know that. I tried to get Southwest to drop me off.
      
      
      Do not archive
      
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
      Phillips
      Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 12:12 PM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      No.  Real Pietenpol people arrive by airplane.
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
      Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 4:04 PM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      I have made flight reservations for Brodhead, and am offering to share the
      rental car I have reserved. I will be arriving mid-day on Wednesday and
      leaving noonish on Sunday. Anyone interested in riding with me?
      
      
      Gary Boothe
      
      
      http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      
      http://forums.matronics.com
      
      http://www.matronics.com/contribution
      
      

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Time: 12:37:03 PM PST US
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Brodhead '11      
      Well, we'll have some appropriate single malt to ease your shame over
      arriving in a non-approved manner Gary.
      
      
      Jack
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
      Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 3:20 PM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      I know that. I tried to get Southwest to drop me off.
      
      
      Do not archive
      
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
      Phillips
      Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 12:12 PM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      No.  Real Pietenpol people arrive by airplane.
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
      Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 4:04 PM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      I have made flight reservations for Brodhead, and am offering to share the
      rental car I have reserved. I will be arriving mid-day on Wednesday and
      leaving noonish on Sunday. Anyone interested in riding with me?
      
      
      Gary Boothe
      
      
      http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      
      http://forums.matronics.com
      
      http://www.matronics.com/contribution
      
      
      http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      
      http://forums.matronics.com
      
      http://www.matronics.com/contribution
      
      

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Time: 12:55:07 PM PST US
From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Subject: Brodhead '11      
      Hope you have a lot..! It's almost as bad as 'being done with the ribs', but
      being caught 2 short..
      
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
      Phillips
      Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 12:32 PM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      Well, we'll have some appropriate single malt to ease your shame over
      arriving in a non-approved manner Gary.
      
      
      Jack
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
      Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 3:20 PM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      I know that. I tried to get Southwest to drop me off.
      
      
      Do not archive
      
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
      Phillips
      Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 12:12 PM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      No.  Real Pietenpol people arrive by airplane.
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
      Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 4:04 PM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      I have made flight reservations for Brodhead, and am offering to share the
      rental car I have reserved. I will be arriving mid-day on Wednesday and
      leaving noonish on Sunday. Anyone interested in riding with me?
      
      
      Gary Boothe
      
      
      http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      
      http://forums.matronics.com
      
      http://www.matronics.com/contribution
      
      
      http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      
      http://forums.matronics.com
      
      http://www.matronics.com/contribution
      
      
      http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      
      http://forums.matronics.com
      
      http://www.matronics.com/contribution
      
      

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Time: 01:15:19 PM PST US
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Brodhead '11      
      Well, I may have some shame of my own, in that unless Gene Rambo finishes
      his Pietenpol in time to fly it there, I'll probably arrive by airplane, but
      not by Pietenpol.  I promised Gene I would fly formation with him if he flew
      his there.  It costs almost exactly half as much to fly my RV-4 there as it
      dies the Pietenpol.  At today's prices, we're talking $400 for the RV-4 or
      $800 for the Pietenpol.  Since I retired, such a difference gets my
      attention.  The good news is that I can carry more Scotch in the RV-4 than I
      can in the Piet.
      
      
      Jack
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
      Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 3:52 PM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      Hope you have a lot..! It's almost as bad as 'being done with the ribs', but
      being caught 2 short..
      
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
      Phillips
      Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 12:32 PM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      Well, we'll have some appropriate single malt to ease your shame over
      arriving in a non-approved manner Gary.
      
      
      Jack
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
      Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 3:20 PM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      I know that. I tried to get Southwest to drop me off.
      
      
      Do not archive
      
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
      Phillips
      Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 12:12 PM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      No.  Real Pietenpol people arrive by airplane.
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
      Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 4:04 PM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      I have made flight reservations for Brodhead, and am offering to share the
      rental car I have reserved. I will be arriving mid-day on Wednesday and
      leaving noonish on Sunday. Anyone interested in riding with me?
      
      
      Gary Boothe
      
      
      http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      
      http://forums.matronics.com
      
      http://www.matronics.com/contribution
      
      
      http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      
      http://forums.matronics.com
      
      http://www.matronics.com/contribution
      
      
      http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      
      http://forums.matronics.com
      
      http://www.matronics.com/contribution
      
      
      http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      
      http://forums.matronics.com
      
      http://www.matronics.com/contribution
      
      

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Time: 01:25:16 PM PST US
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Brodhead '11      
      More Scotch? Well...in that case...I think someone of influence would 
      give you a dispensation to ease your guilt.
      
      do not archive
      
      From: Jack Phillips 
      Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 1:12 PM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      Well, I may have some shame of my own, in that unless Gene Rambo 
      finishes his Pietenpol in time to fly it there, I=99ll probably 
      arrive by airplane, but not by Pietenpol.  I promised Gene I would fly 
      formation with him if he flew his there.  It costs almost exactly half 
      as much to fly my RV-4 there as it dies the Pietenpol.  At 
      today=99s prices, we=99re talking $400 for the RV-4 or $800 
      for the Pietenpol.  Since I retired, such a difference gets my 
      attention.  The good news is that I can carry more Scotch in the RV-4 
      than I can in the Piet.
      
      
      Jack
      
      
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -------
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com 
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
      Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 3:52 PM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      Hope you have a lot.! It=99s almost as bad as 
      =98being done with the ribs=99, but being caught 2 
      short.
      
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com 
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack 
      Phillips
      Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 12:32 PM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      Well, we=99ll have some appropriate single malt to ease your shame 
      over arriving in a non-approved manner Gary.
      
      
      Jack
      
      
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -------
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com 
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
      Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 3:20 PM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      I know that. I tried to get Southwest to drop me off
      
      
      Do not archive
      
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com 
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack 
      Phillips
      Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 12:12 PM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      No.  Real Pietenpol people arrive by airplane.
      
      
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -------
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com 
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
      Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 4:04 PM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      I have made flight reservations for Brodhead, and am offering to share 
      the rental car I have reserved. I will be arriving mid-day on Wednesday 
      and leaving noonish on Sunday. Anyone interested in riding with me?
      
      
      Gary Boothe
      
      
        http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List 
      http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution    
      http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List 
      http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution    
      http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List 
      http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution    
      http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List 
      http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution    
      http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
      comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution 
      
      

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Time: 04:40:53 PM PST US
From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Last Control Horn      
      Geez Gary...I take few to complete my piet.
      =C2-
      KMHeide
      
      
      =C2-
      
      
      --- On Thu, 5/5/11, Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
      
      
      From: Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net>
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Last Control Horn
      
      
      How come it is that the last one is the best, and easiest? Start-to-finish;
       tracing, cutting, cleaning edges, bending, weldingunder 30 minute
      s! Now I wish I had more to do
      =C2-
      Gary
      In beautiful Cool, Ca.
      =C2-
      =C2-
      

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Time: 05:01:51 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Brodhead '11
From: helspersew@aol.com      
      
      Yea, the thought of the extra fuel cost has me thinking too. The increased 
      cost of fuel for the 1/2 hour flight from Poplar Grove will really hurt :O)
      
      Dan Helsper
      Puryear, TN 
      
      NX929DH is still up north!
      
      do not archive
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
      Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 3:15 pm
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      Well, I may have some shame of my own, in that unless Gene Rambo finishes h
      is Pietenpol in time to fly it there, I=99ll probably arrive by airpl
      ane, but not by Pietenpol.  I promised Gene I would fly formation with him 
      if he flew his there.  It costs almost exactly half as much to fly my RV-4 
      there as it dies the Pietenpol.  At today=99s prices, we=99re t
      alking $400 for the RV-4 or $800 for the Pietenpol.  Since I retired, such 
      a difference gets my attention.  The good news is that I can carry more Sco
      tch in the RV-4 than I can in the Piet.
      
      Jack
      
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
      t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
      Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 3:52 PM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      Hope you have a lot.! It=99s almost as bad as =98being
       done with the ribs=99, but being caught 2 short.
      
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
      t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips
      Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 12:32 PM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      Well, we=99ll have some appropriate single malt to ease your shame ov
      er arriving in a non-approved manner Gary.
      
      Jack
      
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
      t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
      Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 3:20 PM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      I know that. I tried to get Southwest to drop me off
      
      Do not archive
      
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
      t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips
      Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 12:12 PM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      No.  Real Pietenpol people arrive by airplane.
      
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
      t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
      Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 4:04 PM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      I have made flight reservations for Brodhead, and am offering to share the 
      rental car I have reserved. I will be arriving mid-day on Wednesday and lea
      ving noonish on Sunday. Anyone interested in riding with me?
      
      Gary Boothe
      
      
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Time: 05:02:59 PM PST US
From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Subject: Last Control Horn      
      Which ones do  you need?
      
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com 
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide 
      CPO/FAAOP
      Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 4:38 PM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Last Control Horn
      
      
      Geez Gary...I take few to complete my piet.
      
      
      KMHeide
      
      
      --- On Thu, 5/5/11, Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
      
      
      From: Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net>
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Last Control Horn
      
      How come it is that the last one is the best, and easiest? 
      Start-to-finish; tracing, cutting, cleaning edges, bending, 
      weldingunder 30 minutes! Now I wish I had more to do
      
      
      Gary
      
      In beautiful Cool, Ca.
      
      

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Time: 05:09:44 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Brodhead '11, Rambo's progress
From: helspersew@aol.com      
      
      If Rambo was close to finishing for Brodhead, I'm sure he is behind schedul
      e now, since he most likely has stolen Douwe's idea of the white tires. So 
      go ahead and pre-flight the RV Jack.
      
      Dan Helsper
      Puryear, TN.
      
      do not archive
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
      Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 3:15 pm
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      Well, I may have some shame of my own, in that unless Gene Rambo finishes h
      is Pietenpol in time to fly it there, I=99ll probably arrive by airpl
      ane, but not by Pietenpol.  I promised Gene I would fly formation with him 
      if he flew his there.  It costs almost exactly half as much to fly my RV-4 
      there as it dies the Pietenpol.  At today=99s prices, we=99re t
      alking $400 for the RV-4 or $800 for the Pietenpol.  Since I retired, such 
      a difference gets my attention.  The good news is that I can carry more Sco
      tch in the RV-4 than I can in the Piet.
      
      Jack
      
      

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Time: 05:17:23 PM PST US
Subject: Re: aluminum lower strut fitting
From: helspersew@aol.com      
      
      Jeff,
      
      This sounds like it would work to me. I would be comfortable with that set-
      up.
      
      Dan Helsper
      Puryear, TN. 
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: bender <jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
      Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 1:53 pm
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum lower strut fitting
      
      
      >
      i've seen that done on others... dan's piet has a cut out... but i was 
      hinking...why not attach the strap to the cable to one of the 1/4 bolts goi
      ng 
      hru the insert on the upper part of the strut... does a 3/16 cable need to
      
      ttach to the 5/16 bolt ?? it would serve the same connected to the next bol
      t 
      own...then no cutting
      jeff
      
      
      ead this topic online here:
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339139#339139
      
      
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Time: 07:05:24 PM PST US
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Brodhead '11      
      I think the Piet is probably more fuel efficient than the Sedan, Dan. 
      
      Do not archive
      
      -- 
      Dan Yocum
      yocum137@gmail.com
      "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
      
      On May 6, 2011, at 6:57 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
      
      > Yea, the thought of the extra fuel cost has me thinking too. The increased
       cost of fuel for the 1/2 hour flight from Poplar Grove will really hurt :O)
      
      >  
      > Dan Helsper
      > Puryear, TN 
      > NX929DH is still up north!
      >  
      > do not archive
      > 
      > 
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
      > To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
      > Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 3:15 pm
      > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      > 
      > Well, I may have some shame of my own, in that unless Gene Rambo finishes h
      is Pietenpol in time to fly it there, I=99ll probably arrive by airpla
      ne, but not by Pietenpol.  I promised Gene I would fly formation with him if
       he flew his there.  It costs almost exactly half as much to fly my RV-4 the
      re as it dies the Pietenpol.  At today=99s prices, we=99re talki
      ng $400 for the RV-4 or $800 for the Pietenpol.  Since I retired, such a dif
      ference gets my attention.  The good news is that I can carry more Scotch in
       the RV-4 than I can in the Piet.
      >  
      > Jack
      >  
      > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
      st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
      > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 3:52 PM
      > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      >  
      > Hope you have a lot.! It=99s almost as bad as =98bein
      g done with the ribs=99, but being caught 2 short.
      >  
      > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
      st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips
      > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 12:32 PM
      > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      >  
      > Well, we=99ll have some appropriate single malt to ease your shame o
      ver arriving in a non-approved manner Gary.
      >  
      > Jack
      >  
      > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
      st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
      > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 3:20 PM
      > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      >  
      > I know that. I tried to get Southwest to drop me off
      >  
      > Do not archive
      >  
      > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
      st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips
      > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 12:12 PM
      > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      >  
      > No.  Real Pietenpol people arrive by airplane.
      >  
      > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
      st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
      > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 4:04 PM
      > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      >  
      > I have made flight reservations for Brodhead, and am offering to share the
       rental car I have reserved. I will be arriving mid-day on Wednesday and lea
      ving noonish on Sunday. Anyone interested in riding with me?
      >  
      > Gary Boothe
      >  
      >  
      >  
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Time: 07:12:49 PM PST US
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Brodhead '11      
      I doubt it.  My Pietenpol burns 4.5 gallons an hour, and under no wind
      conditions will go 65 miles in that hour.  That is only 14.4 mpg.  My truck
      gets better than that, and if you have a headwind (which seems to be much
      more than half the time), it is even worse.
      
      
      Jack
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
      Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 10:03 PM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      I think the Piet is probably more fuel efficient than the Sedan, Dan. 
      
      
      Do not archive
      
      
      -- 
      
      Dan Yocum
      
      yocum137@gmail.com
      
      "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
      
      
      On May 6, 2011, at 6:57 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
      
      Yea, the thought of the extra fuel cost has me thinking too. The increased
      cost of fuel for the 1/2 hour flight from Poplar Grove will really hurt :O)
      
      
      Dan Helsper
      
      Puryear, TN 
      
      NX929DH is still up north!
      
      
      do not archive
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Jack Phillips < <mailto:pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
      pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
      pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
      Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 3:15 pm
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      Well, I may have some shame of my own, in that unless Gene Rambo finishes
      his Pietenpol in time to fly it there, I'll probably arrive by airplane, but
      not by Pietenpol.  I promised Gene I would fly formation with him if he flew
      his there.  It costs almost exactly half as much to fly my RV-4 there as it
      dies the Pietenpol.  At today's prices, we're talking $400 for the RV-4 or
      $800 for the Pietenpol.  Since I retired, such a difference gets my
      attention.  The good news is that I can carry more Scotch in the RV-4 than I
      can in the Piet.
      
      
      Jack
      
      
        _____  
      
      
      From:  <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>
      <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>
      owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [
      <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com?>
      <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>
      mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
      Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 3:52 PM
      <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com> pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      Hope you have a lot..! It's almost as bad as 'being done with the ribs', but
      being caught 2 short..
      
      
      From:  <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>
      <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>
      owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [
      <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com?>
      <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>
      mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips
      Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 12:32 PM
      <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com> pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      Well, we'll have some appropriate single malt to ease your shame over
      arriving in a non-approved manner Gary.
      
      
      Jack
      
      
        _____  
      
      
      From:  <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>
      <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>
      owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [
      <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com?>
      <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>
      mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
      Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 3:20 PM
      <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com> pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      I know that. I tried to get Southwest to drop me off.
      
      
      Do not archive
      
      
      From:  <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>
      <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>
      owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [
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      <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>
      mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips
      Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 12:12 PM
      <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com> pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      No.  Real Pietenpol people arrive by airplane.
      
      
        _____  
      
      
      From:  <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>
      <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>
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      Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 4:04 PM
      <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com> pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
      
      
      I have made flight reservations for Brodhead, and am offering to share the
      rental car I have reserved. I will be arriving mid-day on Wednesday and
      leaving noonish on Sunday. Anyone interested in riding with me?
      
      
      Gary Boothe
      
      
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Time: 09:05:54 PM PST US
From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Brodhead '11      
      Well said Jack. I will be driving my VW diesel to Brodhead this time and lo
      oking =0Afor wings.  Has anyone figured out how to put foldings wings on a 
      Piet yet? =0AHummmmmmmmm. Gardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__________________________
      ______=0AFrom: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@
      matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, May 6, 2011 10:10:22 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol
      -List: Brodhead '11=0A=0A =0AI doubt it.  My Pietenpol burns 4.5 gallons an
       hour, and under no wind =0Aconditions will go 65 miles in that hour.  That
       is only 14.4 mpg.  My truck gets =0Abetter than that, and if you have a he
      adwind (which seems to be much more than =0Ahalf the time), it is even wors
      e.=0A =0AJack=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AFrom:owner-pi
      etenpol-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@ma
      tronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum=0ASent: Friday, May 06, 2011 10:03 PM
      =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead
       '11=0A =0AI think the Piet is probably more fuel efficient than the Sedan 
      , Dan. =0A =0ADo not archive=0A=0A-- =0ADan Yocum=0Ayocum137@gmail.com=0A"I
       fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."=0A=0AOn
       May 6, 2011, at 6:57 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:=0AYea, the thought of t
      he extra fuel cost has me thinking too. The increased cost =0Aof fuel for t
      he 1/2 hour flight from Poplar Grove will really hurt :O)=0A> =0A>Dan Helsp
      er=0A>Puryear,  TN =0A>NX929DH is still up north!=0A> =0A>do not archive=0A
      > =0A>-----Original Message-----=0A>From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth
      .net>=0A>To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>=0A>Sent: Fri, Ma
      y 6, 2011 3:15 pm=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11=0A>Well, I m
      ay have some shame of my own, in that unless Gene Rambo finishes his =0A>Pi
      etenpol in time to fly it there, I=99ll probably arrive by airplane, 
      but not by =0A>Pietenpol.  I promised Gene I would fly formation with him i
      f he flew his =0A>there.  It costs almost exactly half as much to fly my RV
      -4 there as it dies the =0A>Pietenpol.  At today=99s prices, we
      =99re talking $400 for the RV-4 or $800 for the =0A>Pietenpol.  Since I ret
      ired, such a difference gets my attention.  The good news =0A>is that I can
       carry more Scotch in the RV-4 than I can in the Piet.=0A> =0A>Jack=0A> =0A
      >=0A________________________________=0A =0A>From:owner-pietenpol-list-serve
      r@matronics.com =0A>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On B
      ehalf Of Gboothe5=0A>Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 3:52 PM=0A>To: pietenpol-li
      st@matronics.com=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11=0A> =0A>Hope 
      you have a lot.! It=99s almost as bad as =98being done
       with the ribs=99, but =0A>being caught 2 short.=0A> =0A>Fro
      m:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com =0A>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
      t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips=0A>Sent: Friday, May 06,
       2011 12:32 PM=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenpo
      l-List: Brodhead '11=0A> =0A>Well, we=99ll have some appropriate sing
      le malt to ease your shame over arriving =0A>in a non-approved manner  Gary
       .=0A> =0A>Jack=0A> =0A>=0A________________________________=0A =0A>From:own
      er-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com =0A>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-ser
      ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5=0A>Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 3:20
       PM=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Bro
      dhead '11=0A> =0A>I know that. I tried to get Southwest to drop me off
      =0A> =0A>Do not archive=0A> =0A>From:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matr
      onics.com =0A>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf 
      Of Jack Phillips=0A>Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 12:12 PM=0A>To: pietenpol-li
      st@matronics.com=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11=0A> =0A>No.  
      Real Pietenpol people arrive by airplane.=0A> =0A>=0A______________________
      __________=0A =0A>From:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com =0A>[mailt
      o:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5=0A>Sent:
       Thursday, May 05, 2011 4:04 PM=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A>Subj
      ect: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11=0A> =0A>I have made flight reservations f
      or Brodhead, and am offering to share the =0A>rental car I have reserved. I
       will be arriving mid-day on Wednesday and leaving =0A>noonish on Sunday. A
      nyone interested in riding with me?=0A> =0A>Gary Boothe=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> 
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Time: 10:56:07 PM PST US
From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Brodhead '11      
      must've thought your parachute was a backpack.     
      
      Clif  do not archive
        I know that. I tried to get Southwest to drop me off.
      
         
      
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