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1. 03:11 AM - Re: Re: Hardware (C N Campbell)
2. 03:34 AM - Re: Center Section Mounted! (Jack)
3. 03:50 AM - Re: Center Section Mounted! (helspersew@aol.com)
4. 04:30 AM - Re: Center Section Mounted! (womenfly2)
5. 05:41 AM - Re: building table with most miles on it (aerocarjake)
6. 09:33 AM - Re: building table with most miles on it (Dick N)
7. 09:35 AM - Re: Re: A few pics of today's cold flight (Dan Yocum)
8. 10:33 AM - Re: A few pics of today's cold flight (Don Emch)
9. 10:55 AM - Re: Re: A few pics of today's cold flight (Dan Yocum)
10. 11:12 AM - Re: Re: A few pics of today's cold flight (Jack Phillips)
11. 01:11 PM - Re: Jeff Faith's Pietenpol (bender)
12. 01:11 PM - Tire Size (John Kuhfahl)
13. 01:20 PM - Re: Tire Size (Jack Phillips)
14. 02:07 PM - Re: Tire Size (Perry Rhoads)
15. 02:12 PM - Re: Tire Size 8.00 X 6 (darmahboy@aol.com)
16. 02:26 PM - Re: Tire Size (Ryan Mueller)
17. 02:27 PM - Re: A few pics of today's cold flight (kevinpurtee)
18. 02:41 PM - Re: Re: A few pics of today's cold flight (airlion)
19. 04:03 PM - Re: Re: A few pics of today's cold flight (Jim Boyer)
20. 06:00 PM - Thrust Angle (dwilson)
21. 07:32 PM - 2011 List of Contributors (Matt Dralle)
22. 07:50 PM - Re: building table with most miles on it (flea)
23. 08:08 PM - Father/son build team with engine question (MKJ1928)
24. 08:17 PM - Re: Center Section Mounted! (MKJ1928)
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OK, Gary. I received your Christmas present late Saturday, Dec 17. Thank
you so very much. I would be willing to at least pay the shipping charges.
You are so kind. I looked on our US road atlas yesterday to see if I could
find Cool, Cal. It's not listed in the back of the book. It must be just a
"wide place in the road." Can you tell me where it is?
Did you have any problems laying out the holes in the crush plate to get
them to line up perfectly with the holes in the prop? I'm not a machinist
and I want to be sure I get it right. What method did you use? Until you
are better paid, Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 9:44 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hardware
> Homemade crush plate...1/4" 6061.
>
> Gary from Cool
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> Church
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 6:24 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hardware
>
> <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
> For those who use the Forum, rather than the email version of the
> Pietenpol
> List, Chuck's message likely didn't make any sense, because the message he
> tried to forward did not get posted. I have retrieved it from the
> Matronics
> site and attached it below:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jay & Carmen
> To: C N Campbell
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 2:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Hardware
>
>
> Chuck~
> If you're talking about a Crush Plate.... ALL WOOD PROPS should
> have a crush plate.
> NEVER bolt up or even turn up a wood prop without a crushplate!!!
>
> The thickness of the crushplate will depend on the type of metal used to
> make it...
> Could be anywhere from 3/16" to 1/2", depending on the
> material it's made from.
> Naturally the steel would be on the thinner side of the figure.
>
> Try Aircraft Spruce, Wicks or maybe Barnstormers.... you have a SAE1
> bolt pattern.
>
> Please show this to the other guys on your chat group, to make sure
> NO-ONE is trying to
> bolt up WOOD props without a crushplate.
>
> Jay
>
> From: C N Campbell
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 12:46 PM
> To: Carmen
> Subject: Fw: Hardware
>
> Carmen, Roger and I have been discussing the type and length of bolts
> for my Cloudcars prop and he sent me the E-mail which I am forwarding to
> you. Do I need a face plate on my prop. If so, how thick should it be
> and where do I get one? Chuck .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rogpoldodson@aol.com
> To: cncampbell@windstream.net
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 8:43 AM
> Subject: Re: Hardware
>
> Chuck . Something else you might want to take into account is if you
> need a face plate on that prop. Check with the builder of the prop. If
> so you will need to take into account the thickness of the plate. Rog.
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> 12/08/11
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360492#360492
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Subject: | Center Section Mounted! |
Great pictures Chuck! Your shop is way toooo clean!
Jack
DSM
NX1929T
Do not archive
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjborsuk
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Center Section Mounted!
Hey Guys,
Thought I would send some updated pictures. I was able to get my center
section mounted. Also got the hardware on the wings. I will try and get it
out in the yard this week and get the wings on. You gotta love progress!
Chuck
Raleigh NC
989CB
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Subject: | Re: Center Section Mounted! |
Chuck,
Very nice work. Wasn't that you just a few months ago with just a pile of s
pruce? Good for you.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Subject: | Re: Center Section Mounted! |
Awesome! ... the fun part is sitting in her!
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Subject: | Re: building table with most miles on it |
I thought that per the plans we were supposed to build it on the floor of a church.....!
Great to see history preserved and appreciated....
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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Subject: | Re: building table with most miles on it |
Sorry Oscar
I carried my table to Sun n Fun and back 1650 mi each way and built my
fuselage there.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: building table with most miles on it
>
> Howdy, Pieters-
>
> Two years ago at Christmas, my wife and I drove to Shreveport to collect
> some building materials from Corky Corbett, who built NX41CC- the Piet
> that I now own and fly. Among the materials that Corky relieved himself
> of was a building table upon which he constructed two other Piet airframes
> (I believe). Anyway, we took that table home to San Antonio with us along
> with enough raw stock to construct a complete Piet fuselage with plywood
> sides, wing spars, and rib stock.
>
> Last Saturday, Dec. 10, I loaded up that building table and all the raw
> stock along with everything else in my hangar in San Antonio except for
> Scout (who will have to wait till spring 2012 to fly back up here to
> Oregon with me) and spent the last week driving from Texas to Oregon and
> just this weekend unloaded everything and got the building table all set
> up, along with tools and materials.
>
> I hereby lay claim to the Air Camper building table with the most miles on
> it: 2,540 miles. Picture attached, showing the table in its new location
> under my temporary "aircraft factory". Very faintly visible on the
> plywood are the outlines, in pencil, of the Improved Air Camper fuselage
> framing along with various pencil notes that Corky has made. I'm happy to
> own this piece of Pietenpol construction history.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> Air Camper NX41CC
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361186#361186
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Subject: | Re: A few pics of today's cold flight |
Oo! Oo! My turn! my turn!
I have a big windscreen and it's not a bad ride at all.
Let it snow, let is snow, let it snow!
Dan
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Subject: | Re: A few pics of today's cold flight |
Winter just might be my favorite time to fly.... for about 10 minutes at a time!
I think I left nose prints on my windshield from trying to get in too close.
Dan, you need to get some skis! Hey, why don't we have a Pietenpol Ski Fly-in?
I'll host..... in Ohio. Ha!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Subject: | Re: A few pics of today's cold flight |
I had a 20+ mph tailwind at 500' AGL heading up to Poplar Grove,
yesterday.
Of course, that same wind was waiting for me on the way back, so I kept
it down on the deck for most of the trip - <100' AGL (while maintaining
500' from structures and people, of course). I got to wave back and
forth with a farmer fixing his fence, which is always nice. Gosh, I
really like this plane!
Skis only work when there's snow and the skiff we got 2 days ago is
already gone. :-(
Dan
On 12/19/2011 12:30 PM, Don Emch wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Don Emch"<EmchAir@aol.com>
>
> Winter just might be my favorite time to fly.... for about 10 minutes at a time!
I think I left nose prints on my windshield from trying to get in too close.
>
> Dan, you need to get some skis! Hey, why don't we have a Pietenpol Ski Fly-in?
I'll host..... in Ohio. Ha!
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361209#361209
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Subject: | Re: A few pics of today's cold flight |
Lucky you, to be able to fly. Here at Smith Mountain Lake it's 56=B0,
with no
wind, clear skies and unlimited visibility ' and the runway=92s closed
with
heavy equipment all over it, sealing cracks in the asphalt.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Yocum
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A few pics of today's cold flight
I had a 20+ mph tailwind at 500' AGL heading up to Poplar Grove,
yesterday.
Of course, that same wind was waiting for me on the way back, so I kept
it down on the deck for most of the trip - <100' AGL (while maintaining
500' from structures and people, of course). I got to wave back and
forth with a farmer fixing his fence, which is always nice. Gosh, I
really like this plane!
Skis only work when there's snow and the skiff we got 2 days ago is
already gone. :-(
Dan
On 12/19/2011 12:30 PM, Don Emch wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Don Emch"<EmchAir@aol.com>
>
> Winter just might be my favorite time to fly.... for about 10 minutes
at a
time! I think I left nose prints on my windshield from trying to get in
too
close.
>
> Dan, you need to get some skis! Hey, why don't we have a Pietenpol
Ski
Fly-in? I'll host..... in Ohio. Ha!
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361209#361209
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Subject: | Re: Jeff Faith's Pietenpol |
Anytime Walter..!
i enjoyed the visit.... i tend to talk a lot when there is company
Its easy to babble about the piet.. ask my wife
Jeff
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For all--what size tires are you usin gon Cleveland wheels--standard 600-6?
I researched the archives and could not find anytthng on this.
Anybody use 800-6--too big? Niice for off-field? John
--
John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
FAA A/P--{freaking trainie compared to you guys}
President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
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I have standard Cleveland brakes and 21" x 3.00" wheels
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Kuhfahl
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 4:08 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tire Size
For all--what size tires are you usin gon Cleveland wheels--standard 600-6?
I researched the archives and could not find anytthng on this.
Anybody use 800-6--too big? Niice for off-field? John
--
John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
FAA A/P--{freaking trainie compared to you guys}
President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
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I put 800-6's on N12939 two years ago, on Cleveland's. They work great,
grass or hard surface. I wanted 8:50's, but they were several pounds per
tire/tube heavier. No experience on off field. Too flat in Illinois!
Perry Rhoads
N12939
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----- Original Message -----
From: John Kuhfahl
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 3:08 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tire Size
For all--what size tires are you usin gon Cleveland wheels--standard
600-6?
I researched the archives and could not find anytthng on this.
Anybody use 800-6--too big? Niice for off-field? John
--
John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
FAA A/P--{freaking trainie compared to you guys}
President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
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Subject: | Re: Tire Size 8.00 X 6 |
John
I'm running 8.00X6 Carlyle "turf saver" AMF Harley golf cart tires. They're
4ply & @ 17psi, seem to be holding up well even after 40hrs on my Piet, ev
en on the paved surface here @ Lakeville Mn. I also liked the $39.00 a piec
e price tag thru a golf cart mail order place, don't remember the name, fou
nd them on the internet. Good luck, Bob Poore, Piet NX29LD.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Kuhfahl <kuhlcouper@gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Dec 19, 2011 3:12 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tire Size
For all--what size tires are you usin gon Cleveland wheels--standard 600-6?
I researched the archives and could not find anytthng on this.
Anybody use 800-6--too big? Niice for off-field? John
--
John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
FAA A/P--{freaking trainie compared to you guys}
President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
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Kurt Shipman has 800-6's on his Piet as well:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Kurt%20Shipman/images/IMG_0907.JPG
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Kurt%20Shipman/images/IMG_0913.JPG
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Perry Rhoads <prhoads61@frontiernet.net>wrote:
> **
> I put 800-6's on N12939 two years ago, on Cleveland's. They work great,
> grass or hard surface. I wanted 8:50's, but they were several pounds per
> tire/tube heavier. No experience on off field. Too flat in Illinois!
>
> Perry Rhoads
> N12939
>
> do not archive
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* John Kuhfahl <kuhlcouper@gmail.com>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, December 19, 2011 3:08 PM
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Tire Size
>
>
> For all--what size tires are you usin gon Cleveland wheels--standard 600-6?
> I researched the archives and could not find anytthng on this.
> Anybody use 800-6--too big? Niice for off-field? John
>
>
> --
> John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
> FAA A/P--{freaking trainie compared to you guys}
> President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
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Subject: | Re: A few pics of today's cold flight |
I flew my 40 hours off in the "winter." Still plenty cold with several days in
the 30s. I kept wondering what the spots were on the inside of the windshield
and on the instrument panel: snot.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Subject: | Re: A few pics of today's cold flight |
Sounds like it is time for floats Jack.Gardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________
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way back, so I kept =0Ait down on the deck for most of the trip - <100' AGL
(while maintaining =0A500' from structures and people, of course). I got
to wave back and =0Aforth with a farmer fixing his fence, which is always n
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snow and the skiff we got 2 days ago is =0Aalready gone. :-(=0A =0ADan=0A
=0A =0AOn 12/19/2011 12:30 PM, Don Emch wrote:=0A> --> Pietenpol-List mess
age posted by: "Don Emch"<EmchAir@aol.com>=0A> =0A> Winter just might be m
y favorite time to fly.... for about 10 minutes at a =0A>time! I think I l
eft nose prints on my windshield from trying to get in too =0A>close.=0A>
=0A> Dan, you need to get some skis! Hey, why don't we have a Pietenpol Sk
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Subject: | Re: A few pics of today's cold flight |
ewwwwwwwww
Jim B.
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Regardless of the engine choice has anyone ever altered ( moved ) the thrust line
of their PIETENPOL . Either the Angle ( Up, Down, Left, Right) or height
of thrust line in relationship to the top longeron ? What was the result ?
Dan
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Subject: | Re: building table with most miles on it |
aerocarjake wrote:
> I thought that per the plans we were supposed to build it on the floor of a church.....!
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> Great to see history preserved and appreciated....
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> Do not archive
What?!?
You mean on top of the obligatory 'what kind of motor ya gonna use' I have to also
prepare my self for the 'what kind of Church is that'
so many choices in this airplane building stuff.
Jim.
Do not archive
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Subject: | Father/son build team with engine question |
Hello everybody
Just wanted to say hi. saw this list and it seems pretty cool. my 7 year old son
and just started building a Piet tonight. Standard one piece wing, Model A engine
and wood gear.
We do have one question to ask. We want a Model-A engine but that wont be for a
while. In the mean time I want to keep my eyes peeled for an engine when I come
across one. Anything I should be careful for? Any advice on this matter?
Mike
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Subject: | Re: Center Section Mounted! |
Really nice job Chuck!
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