Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Wed 11/27/13


Total Messages Posted: 22



Today's Message Index:
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     0. 12:29 AM - Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Coming Soon!  (Matt Dralle)
     1. 03:25 AM - Re: Plans... Where to start? (Jack Phillips)
     2. 03:28 AM - Re: Plans... Where to start? (jacktextor)
     3. 04:40 AM - Re: Plans... Where to start? (nightmare)
     4. 06:20 AM - Re: Lets all cool off (bdewenter)
     5. 06:39 AM - Re: Re: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... (Claude Corbett)
     6. 07:17 AM - Re: Where are Flop plans? (echobravo4)
     7. 08:00 AM - Re: Jim's Hyde (Chuck Campbell)
     8. 08:03 AM - Re: Jim's Hyde  (Hans van der Voort)
     9. 08:28 AM - list contributions and profanity (Douwe Blumberg)
    10. 08:48 AM - Re: Plans... Where to start? (Jim Boyer)
    11. 08:55 AM - Re: list contributions and profanity (Chuck Campbell)
    12. 09:20 AM - Re: list contributions and profanity (Marcus Zechini)
    13. 09:57 AM - Re: list contributions and profanity (aerocarjake)
    14. 10:18 AM - Re: Jim's Hyde (Michael Orth)
    15. 10:27 AM - Re: Plans... Where to start? (Steven Dortch)
    16. 10:47 AM - Re: Plans... Where to start? (taildrags)
    17. 11:24 AM - Re: Plans... Where to start? (Bill Church)
    18. 12:26 PM - Re: Jim's Hyde (Larry Williams)
    19. 02:06 PM - Re: Re: Lets all cool off (goffelectric@comcast.net)
    20. 06:01 PM - Propeller Balance Weights/Location (Michael Perez)
    21. 07:23 PM - Leading Edge Clamp Idea (jarheadpilot82)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:29:10 AM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Coming
    Soon! Dear Listers, There's just a few more days left in this year's List Fund Raiser and that means the List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator


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    Time: 03:25:22 AM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
    Subject: Plans... Where to start?
    Hi Steve, Welcome to the world of Pietenpols! You will find this to be a wonderful group of people, and building your own Pietenpol to be one of the best experiences of your life. There are several "official" Pietenpol plans, including the plans published in the 1932 Flying and Glider Manual (available as a reprint from EAA), the "Improved Air Camper" plans available from Andrew Pietenpol, and the long fuselage plans and supplemental plans available from Andrew as well. I recommend buying the plans from Andrew, and get everything he has to offer. Many people build from all three versions, as I did. I used the long fuselage plans, but used the landing gear from the Flying and Glider manual, and used the Continental engine mount and 3-piece wing plans from the supplemntal plan set. Everything else was from the "Improved Air Camper" plans. You also should have at least the first two of the Tony Bingelis books, The Sportplane Builder and Sportplane Construction Techniques (better, buy the whole set of four), available from EAA. Those will tell you nearly everything you need to know to build one of these airplanes. Where are you located? Good Luck and have fun! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of At30West Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 12:35 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans... Where to start? I have decided to start a Piet project. Finally the kids are out of college and the planets are aligned. I am finding that there are more than the "official" plans are available. Is there any innovation or benefit to any other source of plans than from the grandson? I will be going the A65, C85 or O200 route on the engine, not the model A. Thanks in advance, Steve Boyer KBJJ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414230#414230


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    Time: 03:28:00 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Plans... Where to start?
    From: "jacktextor" <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com>
    Steve congratulations on your decision and commitment. You will get many opinions; I commend you on your engine choice (ducking). With the Continentals you can go long or short fuselage, I went long. The only other plans I utilize come from the Flyer and Glider Manual. If you need an engine at a fair price from one of the finest builders, contact me off list for Tom Wottreng's info. Also if you want to be included in the Piet directory, let me know and I will forward you the info. Once again congratulations. Jack Jack Textor West Des Moines, IA -------- Jack Textor West Des Moines, IA www.textors.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414316#414316


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    Time: 04:40:10 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Plans... Where to start?
    From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
    Welcome Steve. I echo everything the Jacks said. Also if you wanted to go with a passenger door, a 3 piece wing that is a bit easier to remove and a couple other plans , than you may want to take a look at Keri-Ann's website as well. https://sites.google.com/site/pietenpolplanpackages/ -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414318#414318


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    Time: 06:20:29 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Lets all cool off
    From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse@woh.rr.com>
    Keith, Thanks for the very kind words. This coming from a guy who is building an incredibly nice Piet - I saw it a Barnwell and I was very impressed with your workmanship and skill. The special love affair with varnish was more a fools errand than anything else, having spent too many hours looking at yacht interiors from the pages of Power and Motor Yacht these past 15 years. I started with good quality a 3" brush but always left tiny air bubbles (rookie I am). Experts use badger hair brushes. I now have lost count of how many coats I applied and then sanded down (or off) but I'm sure I am up to 6. I am using helmsman gloss spar urethane thinned with Mineral spirits. Through the process I found the best applicator (no bubbles, less mess) is a white foam roller on a j frame. All tools and supplies came from the Aircraft coating division of Lowes. I sanded down between coats with 320 grit non-loading sandpaper and it was a slow way to build up a finish. Later I found a special pad (a white scotch brite pad) made just for "polishing" between coats of varnish. Ii would say it has the grit of wet newspaper. TIP: use a 2" white foam roller to coat all the fuselage members. its a perfect size for the job and there is virtually no mess. I can even get inside the gussets. (see picture below) Heres a good source of info on varnishing http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/WestAdvisorView?langId=-1&storeId=11151&page=Varnishing-Tips -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414323#414323 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/varnish_large_298.jpg


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    Time: 06:39:26 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]...
    From: Claude Corbett <isablcorky@aol.com>
    Sent from my iPad > On Nov 26, 2013, at 7:33 PM, "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com> wrote: > > > Am I missing something??? I seem to recall a "no e-mail" option when I signed up for this Forum and as a result, the ONLY solicitation I receive from Matt is on the Forum when I check to see what's going on. This is neither onerous or offensive since I can chose to read it or not. > > Maybe Mr Hyde should trot on over to his grandkids house and have them explain the internet to him since he obviously hasn't a vague, foggy, notion of what it takes to maintain a functioning web site. While he's on his way, he can stop by the Apple Store and get his avionics advice from its "genius's" and Home Depot for construction tips. > > I truly hope that he is not the Jim Hyde that Ryan found but I fear, based on the "braniff" part of his signature, that it's true. Very sad that a person of his stature would loose his civility. Fortunately we have guys like Bill Rewey and Doc Mosher as better examples. > > And yes, I have contributed to Matt's fund raising efforts over the past several years and fully intend to continue. > > Dave Aldrich > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414223#414223 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:17:38 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Where are Flop plans?
    From: "echobravo4" <eab4@comcast.net>
    Hey Grant- I believe the placement of the flop is shown in the 1932 flying and glider plans But I don't think there are any details on how you build it. Seems like it would be similar to making the ailerons -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414331#414331


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    Time: 08:00:28 AM PST US
    From: Chuck Campbell <cncampbell@outlook.com>
    Subject: Jim's Hyde
    Matt=2C the "further indescretion" has already happened. I suggest he be b locked until an appology is sent=2C individually=2C to each list member. C From: dralle@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jim's Hyde =0A =0A Jim=2C =0A Please tone down your outbursts. They are really quite=0A unprofessional=2C childish=2C unwarranted=2C and border on offensive. =0A I have had a List Fund Raiser every year for the last 15+ years and I=0A have promoted it in exactly the same way each year during the month of=0A November. It's nothing new. It's simply my way of funding the=0A operation. =0A Below is an excerpt from the=0A Pietenpol-List FAQ=0A page=2C =0A =0A =0A http://www.matronics.com/ftp/Archives/Pietenpol-List.FAQ =0A Please refrain from profanity and personal attacks against me=2C or anyone =0A else for that matter=2C on the List. Further indiscretion will=0A require permanent blocking of your email address from posting. =0A Matt Dralle =0A Matronics Email List & Forum Administrator =0A =0A ********************************** =0A *** List Support Contributions *** =0A ********************************** =0A The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support=0A of it members. =0A You won't find any PopUpAds=2C flashing Banner ads=2C or any=0A other form of =0A annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the=0A List web pages =0A associated with the Matronics Email Lists. =0A Every year during November =0A I run a low-key=2C low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where=2C=0A throughout the month=2C =0A I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with=0A which they =0A are comfortable. =0A I will often offer free=0A gifts with certain contribution levels during the =0A Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts=0A are usually donated =0A by companies that are themselves List members. =0A Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation=0A of the Lists =0A including the high-speed=2C business-class Internet=0A connection=2C server =0A system hardware and software upgrades=2C and to partially=0A offset the many =0A many hours I spend running=2C maintaining=2C upgrading=2C and=0A developing the =0A variety of services found here. =0A Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are=0A completely voluntary =0A and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys=0A the Lists and obtains =0A value from them=2C that they make a Contribution of equal=0A magnitude. =0A Contributions are accepted throughout the year=2C and if=0A you've just =0A subscribed=2C feel free to make a Contribution when you've=0A settled in. =0A The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed=0A below. There are =0A a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard=2C=0A PayPal=2C and =0A sending a personal check. =0A If you enjoy and value the List=2C won't you make a=0A Contribution today to =0A support its continued operation? =0A =0A =0A http://www.matronics.com/contributions =0A Thank you! =0A Matt Dralle =0A Email List Administrator =0A =0A =0A At 10:39 AM 11/26/2013 Tuesday=2C you wrote: =0A who is this pencil salesman and=0A it aint no outburst. if you got as many e mails from this guy asking for=0A money you would be sick of him to. do you have any idea who he=0A is? =0A =0A On Tuesday=2C November 26=2C 2013=0A 12:37 PM=2C jim hyde <jnl96@yahoo.com> wrote: =0A I have no idea who this matt guy is. all I know is=0A that he keeps sending me e mails wanting money. he must be like a jesus=0A freak guy like a bill graham. I don't appreciate some=0A panhandler finding my e mail address and asking for money. im just=0A building a fucking pietenpol and have no interest in any thing else. who=0A is this guy? why is he selling pencils on this site? the last pencils I=0A bought came from a drunk indian on the street Glendale=2C az and I=0A didn't care where he got them. I get this long e mail=2C so I read it and =0A it has nothing to do with building my plane so I wasted time that could=0A have been used building a second wing. why would I be banned? all im=0A doing is on here to get info on building the plane. what little money I=0A have is needed to build the fucking plane. I aint giving nothing to a=0A pencil salesman. if I need a pencil ill steal it from work. =0A =0A jim hyde =0A =0A On Tuesday=2C November 26=2C 2013=0A 11:48 AM=2C Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>=0A wrote: =0A Hopefully Mr. Hyde has a Dr. Jekyll somewhere in his=0A makeup that will reassert himself at some point. =0A On Nov 26=2C 2013=2C at 11:56 AM=2C Cuy=2C Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage=0A Partners=2C LLC] wrote: =0A I=99m guessing that Matt Dralle=0A won=99t be getting a Christmas card from Jim Hyde this year or Bob=0A Nuckolls. =0A =0A I also would assume that Matt has already removed Jim from this list for=0A his eloquent all-caps post. =0A =0A As for the rest of you Infidels=2C A very Happy & Blessed=0A Thanksgiving to you all! =0A =0A Mike C. in Ohio =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550=0A 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email=0A =0A http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A ============0A ============0A ============0A ============0A


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    Time: 08:03:31 AM PST US
    From: Hans van der Voort <nx15kv@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Jim's Hyde
    Interesting Read, made me make a contribution.=0AAnd=C2-my Piet has been finished for number of years.=0AThis lists is and was a major contributor t o finishing=C2-my airplane.=C2-=C2-=0AIt continues to be entertaining .=0A=0AYou all have a happy Thanksgiving !=0A=0AHans van der Voort=0A=0ANX1 5KV=0AWaller, TX=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:48 PM, jorge li zarraga <flightwood@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A =0Ato all pietenpol people just l ike to say all you happy tanksgiven day jope your enjoy whit all your famyl y .and closed friend jorge from hanford=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:08 PM, Glen Schweizer <glenschweizer@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A =0A--> P ietenpol-List message posted by: Glen Schweizer <glenschweizer@yahoo.com> =0A=0A=0A=0AWhere does a person even start when confronting an idiot?=C2- First, Mister Dralle, by sponsoring this list and many others like it,is d oing what the late Paul Ponerezny did in 1953.=C2- He has provided a plac e where we can exchange ideas about our passion.=C2- What's more,he's pro vided it for free,you ingrate.=C2- Who do you think provides the infrastr ucture for this site, the internet fairy?Maybe part of the problem is that Matt's post was more than a sentence long.=C2- =C2- =0AOn Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:39 AM PST jim hyde wrote:=0A=0A>who is this pencil salesman and it aint no outburst. if you got as many e mails from this guy asking for money you would be sick of him to. do you have any idea who he is?=0A>=0A>=0A> =0A>On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:37 PM, jim hyde <jnl96@yahoo.com> wrot e:=0A>=C2- =0A>I have no idea who this matt guy is. all I know is that he keeps sending me e mails wanting money. he must be like a jesus freak guy like a bill graham.=C2-=C2- I don't appreciate some panhandler finding my e mail address and asking for money. im just building a fucking pietenpo l and have no interest in any thing else. who is this guy? why is he sellin g pencils on this site? the last pencils I bought came from a drunk indian on the street Glendale, az=C2- and I didn't care where he got them. I get this long e mail, so I read it and it has nothing to do with building my p lane so I wasted time that could have been used building a second wing. why would I be banned? all im doing is on here to get info on building the pla ne. what little money I have is needed to build the fucking plane. I aint g iving nothing to a pencil salesman. if I need a pencil ill steal it from=0A work.=0A>=C2-=0A>jim hyde=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1 1:48 AM, Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote:=0A>=C2- =0A>Hopefully Mr. Hyde has a Dr. Jekyll somewhere in his makeup that will r eassert himself at some point.=0A>=0A>=0A>On Nov 26, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Cuy , Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote:=0A>=0A>I=99m gu essing that Matt Dralle won=99t be getting a Christmas card from Jim Hyde this year or Bob Nuckolls.=0A>>=C2-=0A>>I also would assume that Mat t has already removed Jim from this list for his eloquent all-caps post.=0A >>=C2-=0A>>As for the rest of you Infidels,=C2-=C2- A very Happy & Bl essed Thanksgiving to you all!=0A>>=C2-=0A>>Mike C. in=0A Ohio=0A>>=C2- =0A>>=C2-=0A>>=C2-do not archive=0A>=0A>style="color: blue; text-deco ration: underline; ">www.aeroelectric.com=0A>href="http://www.buildersboo ks.com/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.buildersbo oks.com=0A>style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.homebuil thelp.com=0A>style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.mypilo tstore.com=0A>style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.mrrac e.com=0A>style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.mat ronics.com/contribution=0A>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piete npol-List" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.m atronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A>blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.m=============/http://www.matroni cs.com/contribution http://forums.matron=========== =========================0A ====================


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    Time: 08:28:54 AM PST US
    From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
    Subject: list contributions and profanity
    Hello good people! I just made my contribution to help support this list which we all enjoy. As I've said many times, I seriously doubt my plane would be finished if it weren't for the help, advice and encouragement I received during the process. Thanks Matt for a job well done and for the hard work!! IF that profanity filled post was NOT some sort of hacker scenario, then PLEASE you need to seriously re-think a few things. Our basic code of behavior on this list should be the same as in public, which SHOULD eliminate profanity and ungentlemanly (womanly..) behavior. One should assume that children and young adults are reading these posts and should govern them accordingly. We should endeavor to maintain the standard of conduct that was taught and expected by Mr. Pietenpol, even though few adhere to it today. I guess if you MUST express your personal feelings (why not just bring it up personally with the "offender" and not air it in public??), then do it in a classy way and do it quickly and get on with Pietenpol related stuff. And if this was a hacker-scenario, this is a good reminder for the new year as to why we all enjoy this list so much, and what has historically set it apart ( for the most part) from others; a good-natured, welcoming, helpful, constructive, accepting and CLEAN forum. Have a blessed Thanksgiving all! Douwe


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    Time: 08:48:50 AM PST US
    From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Plans... Where to start?
    Hi Steve, Welcome to the Pietenpol site. You will find lots of help here especially f or some who are now flying their Piets. Jack Philips comments are always good as are Mike Cuys, and a bunch of othe rs. Keri Ann Prices door is good if you have any trouble getting passengers in the Piet; my wife couldn't get in without it. =C2- Go to www.westcoastpiet.com =C2- for lots of Piets both built and buildin g to look at; mine building is there (Jim Boyer) with the Keri Ann door. Cheers, Jim Boyer =C2- PS where are you located? =C2-


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    Time: 08:55:31 AM PST US
    From: Chuck Campbell <cncampbell@outlook.com>
    Subject: list contributions and profanity
    Good post=2C Douwe. I'm getting ready to make my contribution to Matt=2C a lso. All of us should. I had to wait until the end of the month to determ ine whether I would have any money left. :>) Chuck From: douweblumberg@earthlink.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: list contributions and profanity =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Hello good people!=0A =0A =0A =0A I just made my contribution to help support this list which=0A we all enjoy. As I=92ve said many times=2C I seriously doubt my plane=0A would be finished if it weren=92t for the help=2C advice and encouragement I received=0A during the process. Thanks Matt for a job well done and for the hard=0A work!!=0A =0A =0A =0A IF that profanity filled post was NOT some sort of hacker scenario=2C=0A then PLEASE you need to seriously re-think a few things. Our basic code=0A of behavior on this list should be the same as in public=2C which SHOULD=0A eliminate profanity and ungentlemanly (womanly..) behavior. One should=0A assume that children and young adults are reading these posts and should go vern=0A them accordingly. We should endeavor to maintain the standard of conduct =0A that was taught and expected by Mr. Pietenpol=2C even though few adhere to it=0A today. I guess if you MUST express your personal feelings (why not just=0A bring it up personally with the =93offender=94 and not air it in=0A public??)=2C then do it in a classy way and do it quickly and get on with =0A Pietenpol related stuff.=0A =0A =0A =0A And if this was a hacker-scenario=2C this is a good reminder=0A for the new year as to why we all enjoy this list so much=2C and what has =0A historically set it apart ( for the most part) from others=3B a good-nature d=2C welcoming=2C=0A helpful=2C constructive=2C accepting and CLEAN forum.=0A =0A =0A =0A Have a blessed Thanksgiving all!=0A =0A =0A =0A Douwe=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A ============0A ============0A ============0A ============0A


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    Time: 09:20:40 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: list contributions and profanity
    From: Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini@gmail.com>
    I sent mine!!! Thanks, Matt!!! -Zeke On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Chuck Campbell <cncampbell@outlook.com>wr ote: > Good post, Douwe. I'm getting ready to make my contribution to Matt, > also. All of us should. I had to wait until the end of the month to > determine whether I would have any money left. :>) Chuck > > ------------------------------ > From: douweblumberg@earthlink.net > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: list contributions and profanity > Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:31:59 -0500 > > > Hello good people! > > > I just made my contribution to help support this list which we all enjoy. > As I=92ve said many times, I seriously doubt my plane would be finished i f it > weren=92t for the help, advice and encouragement I received during the > process. Thanks Matt for a job well done and for the hard work!! > > > IF that profanity filled post was NOT some sort of hacker scenario, then > PLEASE you need to seriously re-think a few things. Our basic code of > behavior on this list should be the same as in public, which SHOULD > eliminate profanity and ungentlemanly (womanly..) behavior. One should > assume that children and young adults are reading these posts and should > govern them accordingly. We should endeavor to maintain the standard of > conduct that was taught and expected by Mr. Pietenpol, even though few > adhere to it today. I guess if you MUST express your personal feelings > (why not just bring it up personally with the =93offender=94 and not air it in > public??), then do it in a classy way and do it quickly and get on with > Pietenpol related stuff. > > > And if this was a hacker-scenario, this is a good reminder for the new > year as to why we all enjoy this list so much, and what has historically > set it apart ( for the most part) from others; a good-natured, welcoming, > helpful, constructive, accepting and CLEAN forum. > > > Have a blessed Thanksgiving all! > > > Douwe > > * > > ========== > _blank">www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com> > " target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks.com> > ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com> > ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com> > ank">www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com> > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.c om/contribution> > ========== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List < http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com> > ========== > * > > * > =========== m> ldersbooks.com> .com> com> om/contribution> =========== .matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> =========== =========== > * > >


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    Time: 09:57:08 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: list contributions and profanity
    From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake@gmail.com>
    Well said... I support Matt's work here for similar reasons. How else would a pilot from Texas and another from Georgia know to visit a guy in a garage near Seattle building the same kind of plane...!?!?!? Thanks everyone for the sense of community here...!! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414346#414346


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    Time: 10:18:42 AM PST US
    From: "Michael Orth" <mosurf@xplornet.com>
    Subject: Re: Jim's Hyde
    Re: Jim Hyde=99s Posting Just another example of why you shouldn't begin drinking before noon. Michael ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- -----Original Message----- From: Dan Yocum Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:07 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jim's Hyde On 11/26/2013 12:39 PM, jim hyde wrote: > who is this pencil salesman and it aint no outburst. if you got as many > e mails from this guy asking for money you would be sick of him to. do > you have any idea who he is? He's the person who purchased and operates the computers and network bandwidth that make this mailing list possible. None of which is free. Who the hell are you?? Some FAA Master Aviator who knows the Emir of Saudia Arabia??? > > > On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:37 PM, jim hyde <jnl96@yahoo.com> wrote: > I have no idea who this matt guy is. all I know is that he keeps sending > me e mails wanting money. he must be like a jesus freak guy like a bill > graham. I don't appreciate some panhandler finding my e mail address > and asking for money. im just building a fucking pietenpol and have no > interest in any thing else. who is this guy? why is he selling pencils > on this site? the last pencils I bought came from a drunk indian on the > street Glendale, az and I didn't care where he got them. I get this > long e mail, so I read it and it has nothing to do with building my > plane so I wasted time that could have been used building a second wing. > why would I be banned? all im doing is on here to get info on building > the plane. what little money I have is needed to build the fucking > plane. I aint giving nothing to a pencil salesman. if I need a pencil > ill steal it from work. > > jim hyde > > > On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 11:48 AM, Kip and Beth Gardner > <kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote: > Hopefully Mr. Hyde has a Dr. Jekyll somewhere in his makeup that will > reassert himself at some point. > > On Nov 26, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage > Partners, LLC] wrote: > >> I=99m guessing that Matt Dralle won=99t be getting a Christmas card from >> Jim Hyde this year or Bob Nuckolls. >> >> I also would assume that Matt has already removed Jim from this list >> for his eloquent all-caps post. >> >> As for the rest of you Infidels, A very Happy & Blessed Thanksgiving >> to you all! >> >> Mike C. in Ohio >> >> >> do not archive > >> * >> >> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.aeroelectric.com >> href="http://www.buildersbooks.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.buildersbooks.com >> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.homebuilthelp.com >> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.mypilotstore.com >> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.mrrace.com >> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com >> * > > *http://www.aeroelectric.com/oks.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.buililthelp.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.ypilotstore.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://ww.mrrace.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://ww-= --> http://www.matronics.com/contributior?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http:// <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> <http://forums.matronics.com/>* > > > > <http://forums.matronics.com/> > <http://forums.matronics.com/> > <http://forums.matronics.com/> > <http://forums.matronics.com/> > <http://forums.matronics.com/> > > > <http://forums.matronics.com/> > <http://forums.matronics.com/> > <http://forums.matronics.com/> > <http://forums.matronics.com/> > <http://forums.matronics.com/> > <http://forums.matronics.com/> > > * > > * > -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 11/26/13


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    Time: 10:27:35 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Plans... Where to start?
    From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
    Steve, Now for a true confession. I am a lazy and hardheaded dummy. I should have listened to this list on many things. BUY the Tony Bingelis books! I just bought the Tony Bingelis books, $89 from EAA. I wish I had followed the advice of this list and bought them earlier. They describe the processes and many details that you will be going into. It would have saved me a great deal of time. Try here for a sample of his writings: http://www.gobookee.org/sportplane-builder-tony-bingelis/ Don't be afraid to ask or say something on the list. It may seem stupid, but someone can give you a clear answer. There are a lot of good websites to look at: www.westcoastpiet.com http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/ The Buckeye Pietenpol Association The EAA site The UK Piet builders site I find it very helpful to look over other solutions to various problems. EAA has also been a good source of information Blue Skies, Steve D On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net> wrote: > Hi Steve, > Welcome to the Pietenpol site. You will find lots of help here especially > for some who are now flying their Piets. > Jack Philips comments are always good as are Mike Cuys, and a bunch of > others. Keri Ann Prices door is good if you have any trouble getting > passengers in the Piet; my wife couldn't get in without it. > > Go to www.westcoastpiet.com for lots of Piets both built and building to > look at; mine building is there (Jim Boyer) with the Keri Ann door. > Cheers, > Jim Boyer > > PS where are you located? > > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 10:47:50 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Plans... Where to start?
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Steve; welcome to the list, and you're now among a bunch of new friends. One thing that you may have been referring to when you said that there are several official sets of plans out there, is that there exists the parallel world of the Grega GN-1 Aircamper. Mr. Grega took Mr. Pietenpol's Air Camper design and made some changes and improvements to it to suit his idea of what the airplane should be. He also incorporated various parts and sub-assemblies from other aircraft that were readily available at the time... wings, fuel tank, landing gear, various other things from Piper Cubs. Although we consider the Grega Aircamper and the Pietenpol Air Camper to be the same breed of cat (and they are), they are not really interchangeable in all respects. If you're familiar with the Wittman Tailwind and the Nesmith Cougar, it's a similar relationship. Again, welcome to the group and fire away with questions as they arise in your planning and building process. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414353#414353


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    Time: 11:24:20 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Plans... Where to start?
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    In addition to what Oscar just said, it should be noted that the Grega GN-1 Aircamper plans are no longer offered for sale. So, while there are sets of those plans "out there", you can't actually order a set anymore. The only true source of Pietenpol Air Camper plans is the Pietenpol family, at the following website: http://community.pressenter.net/~apietenp/ Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414356#414356


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    Time: 12:26:26 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Jim's Hyde
    From: "Larry Williams" <lnawms@yahoo.com>
    Mr. Hyde- If you are trying to become the next Top Curmudgeon, I'd suggest screening your targets more carefully. Also, adjectives you are able to use since your mother ran out of soap brand you as less credible and not worth listening to. Sorry.......keep trying. Larry (Top Curmudgeon) Williams -------- L.V.Williams XCG, XCMR,EPP USHPA, EAA, AMA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414359#414359


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    Time: 02:06:31 PM PST US
    From: goffelectric@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: Lets all cool off
    Bob, Thanks, and thanks for the varnish info. I want to get all of that bare woo d protected soon. Happy Thanksgiving to you and everyone on this list. =C2- Keith Goff ----- Original Message ----- From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse@woh.rr.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:20:00 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lets all cool off Keith, Thanks for the very kind words. =C2-This coming from a guy who is buildin g an incredibly nice Piet - I saw it a Barnwell and I was very impressed wi th your workmanship and skill. The special love affair with varnish was more a fools errand than anything else, having spent too many hours looking at yacht interiors from the pages of Power and Motor Yacht these past 15 years. I started with good quality a 3" brush but always left tiny air bubbles (ro okie I am). Experts use badger hair brushes. I now have lost count of how m any coats I applied and then sanded down (or off) but I'm sure I am up to 6 . =C2-I am using helmsman gloss spar urethane thinned with Mineral spirit s. =C2-Through the process I found the best applicator (no bubbles, less mess) is a white foam roller on a j frame. =C2-All tools and supplies cam e from the Aircraft coating division of Lowes. =C2-I sanded down between coats with 320 grit non-loading sandpaper and it was a slow way to build up a finish. =C2-Later I found a special pad (a white scotch brite pad) mad e just for "polishing" between coats of varnish. =C2-Ii would say it has the grit of wet newspaper. TIP: =C2-use a 2" white foam roller to coat all the fuselage members. =C2 -its a perfect size for the job and there is virtually no mess. =C2-I c an even get inside the gussets. (see picture below) Heres a good source of info on varnishing http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/WestAdvisorView?langId =-1&storeId=11151&page=Varnishing-Tips -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414323#414323 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/varnish_large_298.jpg =========== =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. =========== =========== MS - ===========


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    Time: 06:01:00 PM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Propeller Balance Weights/Location
    I am guessing we all have better things going on the night before and the day of Thanksgiving, however, if someone could help me out come Friday, I can hit the (shop) floor running and balance my propeller. I fabricated my own Buzz Master type balance and am hoping to balance Friday. What I need to know: What can be used for weight? I have seen a video of holes being drilled in the hub, (wood prop.) and lead being added. How about nuts, bolts, (no heads) coins, small animals? How many different holes/weights can be used? (1,3,5...?) How big a weight hole can be drilled? (1/4", 1/2", 3/4"...?) Where can/can't these holes be located? I know not to drill between the mounting bolt holes and outter hub dia., but what about between the mounting holes? How close to the OD or ID of the hub can a weight hole be drilled? (Typical hole edge spacing?) How deep should these weight holes be drilled? I assume about half way. Greatly appriciate the intel.! If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 07:23:46 PM PST US
    Subject: Leading Edge Clamp Idea
    From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
    I thought I would shift gears a bit back toward the builders helping builders part of the forum. It is lighter in tone than recent threads and I like lighter tone! I came across this method while reading through some old issues of Sportaviation. It seems like a good idea if someone is looking for an inexpensive alternative to nail strips for holding down their leading edge while the glue dries. I don't think EAA will shoot me for passing it on, but I certainly wanted to give full credit to the source. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414374#414374 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/leading_edge_clamp_idea_278.png




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