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Tue 01/04/11


Total Messages Posted: 15



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     1. 03:34 AM - A real request not a test (martin board)
     2. 06:53 AM - Re: Cross-Wind Component allowed for Pulsar I (sonja.englert@juno.com)
     3. 07:49 AM - Re: test (Bert Reynolds)
     4. 08:01 AM - Re: Cross-Wind Component allowed for Pulsar I (Casey King)
     5. 08:38 AM - Re: A real request not a test (Lance Goddard)
     6. 08:50 AM - Catching up (pilot623)
     7. 10:49 AM - Re: A real request not a test (Brian Anderson)
     8. 11:50 AM - Test (Coleman)
     9. 02:09 PM - Re: Catching up (Casey King)
    10. 03:01 PM - Re: Catching up (pilot623)
    11. 08:06 PM - Re: Nice to see all the traffic ... even if it is just test msgs ;) (Ray Thurman)
    12. 08:47 PM - Re: Nice to see all the traffic ... even if it is just test msgs ;) (Jerry Eastman)
    13. 10:00 PM - Re: Nice to see all the traffic ... even if it is just test msgs ;) (Tom Gibbons)
    14. 10:06 PM - Re: Catching up (Tom Gibbons)
    15. 10:46 PM - Ignor my last (Tom Gibbons)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:34:40 AM PST US
    Subject: A real request not a test
    From: martin board <martin.board1950@googlemail.com>
    Do any of my UK owner/builder friends have any small amounts of composite sheet I could buy? I have bought a new Jabiru engine for my Pulsar and it is proving a little difficult to retrofit into my Jabiru bed mount - my old engine was very early and there are now numerous changes to be made. I need the composite to build a box behind the firewall to take in a new air intake system that is yet to be invented! I expect the box will be 4ins wide by 2ins deep and 10 ins long and will be coverered by a similar stainless box in the firewall itself. I know I can make some composite but with all of the other changes it is just a job too far. The engine arrived just before Xmas and I have been worried about all the changes to be made - largely because of a changed induction system and larger carb.. The induction system fouls the subframe and the carb is now very close to the firewall. I have read lots about have tight bends near to the carb inlet and that is the reason for going back into the plane. It looks like my carb heat system will have to go in favour of an electic heater - I think that will simplify some of the plumbing anyhow. I am taking the plane less wings to the welder on Thursday and I hope I will not have to cut too much away of the front cowl for access for welding - I am well away from the bearers so it will be a largely cosmetic issue to sort out when glassing bits back in. The exhaust header pipes all have to be modified as Jabiru have changed their design but luckily they have gone for stainless this time which may mean the current pipes can be mated to the new. The most involved issue is removing the firewall, wiring etc etc and in a cold damp hanger its a bit of a drag. I hope if I do it in small stages with lots of photos to remind me where everything goes back, everything will eventually fall into place. Wish me luck Martin


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    Time: 06:53:30 AM PST US
    From: "sonja.englert@juno.com" <sonja.englert@juno.com>
    Subject: Re: Cross-Wind Component allowed for Pulsar I
    I would say your speeds are about 10 kts faster than what I usually do, I only slow it to <60 kts on short final. It can handle 20 kts crosswind, but it depends on how gusty or steady it is. If it is real gusty, even less can get you into trouble. Sonja ____________________________________________________________ Mortgage Rates Hit 2.99% If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Gov't Refi Programs http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d23337fbe5ff969e52st05duc


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    Time: 07:49:13 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: test
    From: Bert Reynolds <sosbert@gmail.com>
    got the test. Thanks Bert On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Larry Eubanks <leubanks@sunflower.com>wrote: > test > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 08:01:00 AM PST US
    From: Casey King <cking@lifesize.com>
    Subject: Re: Cross-Wind Component allowed for Pulsar I
    The worst crosswind component that I landed in was somewhere in Oklahoma at a short, deserted strip. I was in my plane and Doug was in his plane. It was an adventure and I'd have to look in my logbook because I put it in there as a special note. I want to say it was 17 kts. But this was the 90 degree component. Based on your description, the component was in the 7-14 kt range. ck On Jan 4, 2011, at 8:48 AM, sonja.englert@juno.com wrote: > > I would say your speeds are about 10 kts faster than what I usually do, I only slow it to <60 kts on short final. It can handle 20 kts crosswind, but it depends on how gusty or steady it is. If it is real gusty, even less can get you into trouble. > > Sonja > > ____________________________________________________________ > Mortgage Rates Hit 2.99% > If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Gov't Refi Programs > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d23337fbe5ff969e52st05duc > > > > >


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    Time: 08:38:50 AM PST US
    From: Lance Goddard <lancegoddard@me.com>
    Subject: Re: A real request not a test
    In case you should want it, a non-European source for composite materials is ACP in Livermore, CA. Composite panels, tubes, and rods for a variety of industries including medical and aerospace: ACP Composites Good luck, Martin. Lance Goddard On Jan 4, 2011, at 3:31 AM, martin board wrote: > Do any of my UK owner/builder friends have any small amounts of > composite sheet I could buy? I have bought a new Jabiru engine for > my Pulsar and it is proving a little difficult to retrofit into my > Jabiru bed mount - my old engine was very early and there are now > numerous changes to be made. I need the composite to build a box > behind the firewall to take in a new air intake system that is yet > to be invented! I expect the box will be 4ins wide by 2ins deep and > 10 ins long and will be coverered by a similar stainless box in the > firewall itself. I know I can make some composite but with all of > the other changes it is just a job too far. > > The engine arrived just before Xmas and I have been worried about > all the changes to be made - largely because of a changed induction > system and larger carb.. The induction system fouls the subframe and > the carb is now very close to the firewall. I have read lots about > have tight bends near to the carb inlet and that is the reason for > going back into the plane. It looks like my carb heat system will > have to go in favour of an electic heater - I think that will > simplify some of the plumbing anyhow. > I am taking the plane less wings to the welder on Thursday and I > hope I will not have to cut too much away of the front cowl for > access for welding - I am well away from the bearers so it will be a > largely cosmetic issue to sort out when glassing bits back in. The > exhaust header pipes all have to be modified as Jabiru have changed > their design but luckily they have gone for stainless this time > which may mean the current pipes can be mated to the new. > The most involved issue is removing the firewall, wiring etc etc and > in a cold damp hanger its a bit of a drag. I hope if I do it in > small stages with lots of photos to remind me where everything goes > back, everything will eventually fall into place. > > Wish me luck > > Martin > >


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    Time: 08:50:56 AM PST US
    From: "pilot623" <pilot623@gmail.com>
    Subject: Catching up
    Greetings Pulsar People and Happy New Year! N623JF is still hangared in San Marcos while I search for a job in the Houston area. Hangar space is hard to find but I think space might soon become available at Southwest Houston Airport. I've been parking my plane in a maintenance hangar when it stays with me in Houston (Pearland Municipal) but the double hangar rent is getting old. We've done several shorter trips of 90 minutes of less. My mom now lives in Alice, TX near Corpus Christi so I much prefer flying 90 minutes to driving 4+ hours each way. I now have 60 hours on the new engine. Bob, that little video on drag makes me want to clean up the gear legs and finish the inside covers for the wheel pants to get the brake hardware out of the airstream. Rhonda and I were married on the beach in Hawaii in late October and life just keeps on getting better and better. Happy flying, Jim & Rhonda Fillman


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    Time: 10:49:02 AM PST US
    From: Brian Anderson <briana@xtra.co.nz>
    Subject: Re: A real request not a test
    Martin, I've just made an air intake, and an electric carb heat system for the Jabiru 220o that is going in my Flitzer. Wondering if these might help. There are photos on the Jabiru Engines Yahoo group, but maybe you are not signed in there. The issue of being close to the firewall sounds similar, so there is not much room for an air intake box. The electric carb heat system, I'm hoping, will be OK for NZ conditions, especially for flying an open single seat biplane. UK conditions might require more attention to carb heat, although it is probably pretty warm under the Pulsar cowling. I've attached a couple of photos. Can send more details if you are interested. Brian


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    Time: 11:50:35 AM PST US
    From: Coleman <pulsar331@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Test
    Just testing the system.- Extra nice to have a new system for me as I hav e not =0Abeen able to get on the old system for over a year.=0A=0A=0ABill C oleman=0AN331BP- Pulsar XP=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFro m: Herbert Schmaderer <herbert.schmaderer@aon.at>=0ATo: pulsar-list@matroni cs.com=0ASent: Sun, January 2, 2011 9:36:22 AM=0ASubject: Pulsar-List: test -======================== ================== =0A


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    Time: 02:09:28 PM PST US
    From: Casey King <cking@lifesize.com>
    Subject: Re: Catching up
    Didn't know you were moving to Houston. Sounds like things are going well. Is my engine hoist still available or is there a time period when it becomes yours? ;). Casey On Jan 4, 2011, at 10:47 AM, pilot623 wrote: Greetings Pulsar People and Happy New Year! N623JF is still hangared in San Marcos while I search for a job in the Houston area. Hangar space is hard to find but I think space might soon become available at Southwest Houston Airport. I've been parking my plane in a maintenance hangar when it stays with me in Houston (Pearland Municipal) but the double hangar rent is getting old. We've done several shorter trips of 90 minutes of less. My mom now lives in Alice, TX near Corpus Christi so I much prefer flying 90 minutes to driving 4+ hours each way. I now have 60 hours on the new engine. Bob, that little video on drag makes me want to clean up the gear legs and finish the inside covers for the wheel pants to get the brake hardware out of the airstream. Rhonda and I were married on the beach in Hawaii in late October and life just keeps on getting better and better. Happy flying, Jim & Rhonda Fillman


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    Time: 03:01:13 PM PST US
    From: "pilot623" <pilot623@gmail.com>
    Subject: Catching up
    Casey, I've been storing your engine hoist (at no charge ;)) with the idea that it would eventually be going home. Here's hoping my need for it has passed permanently. Let me know when you want it and I'll either deliver it to you or get you into my hangar if I'm not around. Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-pulsar-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pulsar-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Casey King Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 4:03 PM Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Catching up Didn't know you were moving to Houston. Sounds like things are going well. Is my engine hoist still available or is there a time period when it becomes yours? ;). Casey On Jan 4, 2011, at 10:47 AM, pilot623 wrote: Greetings Pulsar People and Happy New Year! N623JF is still hangared in San Marcos while I search for a job in the Houston area. Hangar space is hard to find but I think space might soon become available at Southwest Houston Airport. I've been parking my plane in a maintenance hangar when it stays with me in Houston (Pearland Municipal) but the double hangar rent is getting old. We've done several shorter trips of 90 minutes of less. My mom now lives in Alice, TX near Corpus Christi so I much prefer flying 90 minutes to driving 4+ hours each way. I now have 60 hours on the new engine. Bob, that little video on drag makes me want to clean up the gear legs and finish the inside covers for the wheel pants to get the brake hardware out of the airstream. Rhonda and I were married on the beach in Hawaii in late October and life just keeps on getting better and better. Happy flying, Jim & Rhonda Fillman


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    Time: 08:06:57 PM PST US
    From: Ray Thurman <raythur@gvtc.com>
    Subject: Re: Nice to see all the traffic ... even if it is just test
    msgs ;) Test number 37 :-) Casey, thanks for the inquiry. Bob Hartunian (uncle Bob) spent two weeks at our place last winter and helped get the 912 fired up and running. Since then I had a couple of EAA tech advisors look over the project and made numerous recommendations. I pulled the engine back out, made some changes, reinstalled engine, wired up the EIS, wired up more panel parts, repaired the brakes (with help from Terry Armstrong and Kent Roberts), and then nothing. Well not quite nothing, I'm wiring up the audio so when I start taxi testing I'll hear the other pilots yelling at me. Condo in Austin???? Funny, we just bought a home in Colorado. Now I understand why you northerners don't work on your planes in the winter time (Tom, etc). We had a wind chill of neg 36 a couple days ago. I head back to our place in San Antonio in a few days and then I can (hopefully) resume work on the plane. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Casey King" <cking@lifesize.com> Sent: Monday, January 3, 2011 5:35:07 PM Subject: Pulsar-List: Nice to see all the traffic ... even if it is just test msgs ;) So I know there are at least 50 active participants of the 300, since we've seen the test messages ;). How about some "non-test" msg content? Like flying trips over the holidays, what people are working on. Ray, where are you? As for me: - the plane has been in the hangar way too long (but did see it when I picked up the xmas tree) - our son is freshman at Lawrence University (interesting because it's 15 miles from Oshkosh!!!) - working too much at LifeSize which was bought by Logitech a year ago - no RV trips lately - basically been a slug - bought a downtown condo in Austin (... so who wants to visit ...?) So let the harassment start ;). -Casey


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    Time: 08:47:30 PM PST US
    From: "Jerry Eastman" <jerry@craftworks.biz>
    Subject: Nice to see all the traffic ... even if it is just test
    msgs ;) TEST MESSAGE #406 AHHHHH, TOM AND RAY, THAT REMINDS ME OF A FLIGHT IN 2003, WHEN RICK THOMASON AND I FLEW TOM AND RAY FROM WASHINGTON DC DOWN TO THE WRIGHT MEMORIAL TO SEE WHERE IT ALL HAPPENED 100 YEARS AGO AND THEY PROCLAIMED IN FRONT OF GOD AND THE WRIGHTS, DON'T KNOW WHO IS MORE IMPORTANT IN THIS INSTANCE, THAT THEY WERE EXCITED AND WERE GOING HOME AND FINISH THEIRS PLANES..... GUESS WE WILL FIND OUT AT THE NEXT 100 YEAR CELEBRATION OF FLIGHT? RICK, REMEMBER THAT FLIGHT SOOOOO MANY YEARS AGO? JERRY N6184N -----ORIGINAL MESSAGE----- FROM: OWNER-PULSAR-LIST-SERVER@MATRONICS.COM [MAILTO:OWNER-PULSAR-LIST-SERVER@MATRONICS.COM] ON BEHALF OF RAY THURMAN SENT: TUESDAY, JANUARY 04, 2011 11:01 PM SUBJECT: RE: PULSAR-LIST: NICE TO SEE ALL THE TRAFFIC ... EVEN IF IT IS JUST TEST MSGS ;) --> PULSAR-LIST MESSAGE POSTED BY: RAY THURMAN <RAYTHUR@GVTC.COM> TEST NUMBER 37 :-) CASEY, THANKS FOR THE INQUIRY. BOB HARTUNIAN (UNCLE BOB) SPENT TWO WEEKS AT OUR PLACE LAST WINTER AND HELPED GET THE 912 FIRED UP AND RUNNING. SINCE THEN I HAD A COUPLE OF EAA TECH ADVISORS LOOK OVER THE PROJECT AND MADE NUMEROUS RECOMMENDATIONS. I PULLED THE ENGINE BACK OUT, MADE SOME CHANGES, REINSTALLED ENGINE, WIRED UP THE EIS, WIRED UP MORE PANEL PARTS, REPAIRED THE BRAKES (WITH HELP FROM TERRY ARMSTRONG AND KENT ROBERTS), AND THEN NOTHING. WELL NOT QUITE NOTHING, I'M WIRING UP THE AUDIO SO WHEN I START TAXI TESTING I'LL HEAR THE OTHER PILOTS YELLING AT ME. CONDO IN AUSTIN???? FUNNY, WE JUST BOUGHT A HOME IN COLORADO. NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU NORTHERNERS DON'T WORK ON YOUR PLANES IN THE WINTER TIME (TOM, ETC). WE HAD A WIND CHILL OF NEG 36 A COUPLE DAYS AGO. I HEAD BACK TO OUR PLACE IN SAN ANTONIO IN A FEW DAYS AND THEN I CAN (HOPEFULLY) RESUME WORK ON THE PLANE. RAY ----- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ----- FROM: "CASEY KING" <CKING@LIFESIZE.COM> SENT: MONDAY, JANUARY 3, 2011 5:35:07 PM SUBJECT: PULSAR-LIST: NICE TO SEE ALL THE TRAFFIC ... EVEN IF IT IS JUST TEST MSGS ;) --> PULSAR-LIST MESSAGE POSTED BY: CASEY KING <CKING@LIFESIZE.COM> SO I KNOW THERE ARE AT LEAST 50 ACTIVE PARTICIPANTS OF THE 300, SINCE WE'VE SEEN THE TEST MESSAGES ;). HOW ABOUT SOME "NON-TEST" MSG CONTENT? LIKE FLYING TRIPS OVER THE HOLIDAYS, WHAT PEOPLE ARE WORKING ON. RAY, WHERE ARE YOU? AS FOR ME: - THE PLANE HAS BEEN IN THE HANGAR WAY TOO LONG (BUT DID SEE IT WHEN I PICKED UP THE XMAS TREE) - OUR SON IS FRESHMAN AT LAWRENCE UNIVERSITY (INTERESTING BECAUSE IT'S 15 MILES FROM OSHKOSH!!!) - WORKING TOO MUCH AT LIFESIZE WHICH WAS BOUGHT BY LOGITECH A YEAR AGO - NO RV TRIPS LATELY - BASICALLY BEEN A SLUG - BOUGHT A DOWNTOWN CONDO IN AUSTIN (... SO WHO WANTS TO VISIT ...?) SO LET THE HARASSMENT START ;). -CASEY


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    Time: 10:00:04 PM PST US
    From: "Tom Gibbons" <TomisFlyingby@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Nice to see all the traffic ... even if it is just test
    msgs ;) Will never forget that trip!!!!!!! Still dreaming I guess! Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Eastman" <jerry@craftworks.biz> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:43 PM Subject: RE: Pulsar-List: Nice to see all the traffic ... even if it is just test msgs ;) > > TEST MESSAGE #406 > AHHHHH, TOM AND RAY, THAT REMINDS ME OF A FLIGHT IN 2003, WHEN RICK > THOMASON AND I FLEW TOM AND RAY FROM WASHINGTON DC DOWN TO THE WRIGHT > MEMORIAL TO SEE WHERE IT ALL HAPPENED 100 YEARS AGO AND THEY PROCLAIMED IN > FRONT OF GOD AND THE WRIGHTS, DON'T KNOW WHO IS MORE IMPORTANT IN THIS > INSTANCE, THAT THEY WERE EXCITED AND WERE GOING HOME AND FINISH THEIRS > PLANES..... GUESS WE WILL FIND OUT AT THE NEXT 100 YEAR CELEBRATION OF > FLIGHT? RICK, REMEMBER THAT FLIGHT SOOOOO MANY YEARS AGO? JERRY N6184N > > -----ORIGINAL MESSAGE----- > FROM: OWNER-PULSAR-LIST-SERVER@MATRONICS.COM > [MAILTO:OWNER-PULSAR-LIST-SERVER@MATRONICS.COM] ON BEHALF OF RAY THURMAN > SENT: TUESDAY, JANUARY 04, 2011 11:01 PM > TO: PULSAR-LIST@MATRONICS.COM > SUBJECT: RE: PULSAR-LIST: NICE TO SEE ALL THE TRAFFIC ... EVEN IF IT IS > JUST TEST MSGS ;) > > --> PULSAR-LIST MESSAGE POSTED BY: RAY THURMAN <RAYTHUR@GVTC.COM> > > TEST NUMBER 37 :-) > > CASEY, THANKS FOR THE INQUIRY. BOB HARTUNIAN (UNCLE BOB) SPENT TWO WEEKS > AT OUR PLACE LAST WINTER AND HELPED GET THE 912 FIRED UP AND RUNNING. > SINCE THEN I HAD A COUPLE OF EAA TECH ADVISORS LOOK OVER THE PROJECT AND > MADE NUMEROUS RECOMMENDATIONS. I PULLED THE ENGINE BACK OUT, MADE SOME > CHANGES, REINSTALLED ENGINE, WIRED UP THE EIS, WIRED UP MORE PANEL PARTS, > REPAIRED THE BRAKES (WITH HELP FROM TERRY ARMSTRONG AND KENT ROBERTS), AND > THEN NOTHING. WELL NOT QUITE NOTHING, I'M WIRING UP THE AUDIO SO WHEN I > START TAXI TESTING I'LL HEAR THE OTHER PILOTS YELLING AT ME. > > CONDO IN AUSTIN???? FUNNY, WE JUST BOUGHT A HOME IN COLORADO. NOW I > UNDERSTAND WHY YOU NORTHERNERS DON'T WORK ON YOUR PLANES IN THE WINTER > TIME (TOM, ETC). WE HAD A WIND CHILL OF NEG 36 A COUPLE DAYS AGO. I HEAD > BACK TO OUR PLACE IN SAN ANTONIO IN A FEW DAYS AND THEN I CAN (HOPEFULLY) > RESUME WORK ON THE PLANE. > > > RAY > > > ----- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ----- > FROM: "CASEY KING" <CKING@LIFESIZE.COM> > TO: PULSAR-LIST@MATRONICS.COM > SENT: MONDAY, JANUARY 3, 2011 5:35:07 PM > SUBJECT: PULSAR-LIST: NICE TO SEE ALL THE TRAFFIC ... EVEN IF IT IS JUST > TEST MSGS ;) > > --> PULSAR-LIST MESSAGE POSTED BY: CASEY KING <CKING@LIFESIZE.COM> > > SO I KNOW THERE ARE AT LEAST 50 ACTIVE PARTICIPANTS OF THE 300, SINCE > WE'VE SEEN THE TEST MESSAGES ;). > > HOW ABOUT SOME "NON-TEST" MSG CONTENT? LIKE FLYING TRIPS OVER THE > HOLIDAYS, WHAT PEOPLE ARE WORKING ON. RAY, WHERE ARE YOU? > > AS FOR ME: > - THE PLANE HAS BEEN IN THE HANGAR WAY TOO LONG (BUT DID SEE IT WHEN I > PICKED UP THE XMAS TREE) > - OUR SON IS FRESHMAN AT LAWRENCE UNIVERSITY (INTERESTING BECAUSE IT'S 15 > MILES FROM OSHKOSH!!!) > - WORKING TOO MUCH AT LIFESIZE WHICH WAS BOUGHT BY LOGITECH A YEAR AGO > - NO RV TRIPS LATELY > - BASICALLY BEEN A SLUG > - BOUGHT A DOWNTOWN CONDO IN AUSTIN (... SO WHO WANTS TO VISIT ...?) > > SO LET THE HARASSMENT START ;). > > -CASEY > > >


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    Time: 10:06:04 PM PST US
    From: "Tom Gibbons" <TomisFlyingby@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Catching up
    Catching upHey Jim, Hang in there, life is good with that beautiful lady you have there! You may want to tell her that I finally went out with a girl on Christmas Day when she called me to go see a movie. Nice gal and I got two kisses from her. We'll see how things go but knowing me, I will fall fast but hopefully for the right reasons. Been a long time for me for this. One bad thing maybe is that now I better get my plane painted before anything serious happens! Take care and Happy New Year to you and Rhonda! Give her a kiss for me! Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: pilot623 To: Pulsar List Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:47 AM Subject: Pulsar-List: Catching up Greetings Pulsar People and Happy New Year! N623JF is still hangared in San Marcos while I search for a job in the Houston area. Hangar space is hard to find but I think space might soon become available at Southwest Houston Airport. I've been parking my plane in a maintenance hangar when it stays with me in Houston (Pearland Municipal) but the double hangar rent is getting old. We've done several shorter trips of 90 minutes of less. My mom now lives in Alice, TX near Corpus Christi so I much prefer flying 90 minutes to driving 4+ hours each way. I now have 60 hours on the new engine. Bob, that little video on drag makes me want to clean up the gear legs and finish the inside covers for the wheel pants to get the brake hardware out of the airstream. Rhonda and I were married on the beach in Hawaii in late October and life just keeps on getting better and better. Happy flying, Jim & Rhonda Fillman


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    Time: 10:46:10 PM PST US
    From: "Tom Gibbons" <TomisFlyingby@comcast.net>
    Subject: Ignor my last
    Ok........oops!!! Ignor my last message to the group! I guess it works from this end! Sorry Jim! Red faced Tom




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