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1. 07:44 AM - Hydraulic Brake Options (Ron Koval)
2. 08:01 AM - Re: Hydraulic Brake Options (Herbert Schmaderer)
3. 08:36 AM - Re: Hydraulic Brake Options (GREGSMI@aol.com)
4. 08:46 AM - Re: Hydraulic Brake Options (Alex Kozloff)
5. 08:46 AM - Re: Hydraulic Brake Options (GREGSMI@aol.com)
6. 11:05 AM - Re: Hydraulic Brake Options (Brian Anderson)
7. 11:38 AM - Re: Hydraulic Brake Options (Crowley, Kelly P)
8. 12:05 PM - I think your all on drugs! (Jerry Eastman)
9. 12:09 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brake Options (Ron Koval)
10. 12:38 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brake Options (Crowley, Kelly P)
11. 02:54 PM - Re: I think your all on drugs! (George Gennuso)
12. 03:53 PM - Re: I think your all on drugs! (Dennis Adams)
13. 07:34 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brake Options (MyronTruex)
14. 10:33 PM - Re: personal update from John Schussler (Tom Gibbons)
15. 11:00 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brake Options (Tom Gibbons)
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| Subject: | Hydraulic Brake Options |
Pulsar Enthusiasts,=0A=0AI am in the process of converting my band brakes t
o hydraulics.- I got the =0Amaster cylinder installation well along, but
haven't purchased a brake system =0Afor the main wheels yet.=0A=0AHere are
the options I am very aware of.---First the most popular Matco =0AWHL
W50CC.75 wheel and internal caliper with WHLAXLE7 axle.- The other option
I =0Ahave found which would use my current AZUSA 5" wheels is the Great Pl
ains brake =0Akit http://www.greatplainsas.com/schbrakes.html-which I don
't know of anybody =0Athat has used this system.- I also called Tracy Obr
ien about his C90 brakes =0Awhich also works with the AZUSA 5" wheels, but
he did not have any in stock and =0Aseemed reluctant to commit to an order.
=0A=0AOutside of the Matco system, is there anybody that has had success wi
th one of =0Athese other or another wheel/hydraulic brake system?=0A=0ABest
regards,=0A=0ARon Koval=0AN1037L
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| Subject: | Re: Hydraulic Brake Options |
Cleveland 5.00
no problems since 10 years
Herbert
OE-CHS
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Koval
To: Pulsar Builders ; Pulsar-Aviators@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 4:41 PM
Subject: Pulsar-List: Hydraulic Brake Options
Pulsar Enthusiasts,
I am in the process of converting my band brakes to hydraulics. I got
the master cylinder installation well along, but haven't purchased a
brake system for the main wheels yet.
Here are the options I am very aware of. First the most popular
Matco WHLW50CC.75 wheel and internal caliper with WHLAXLE7 axle. The
other option I have found which would use my current AZUSA 5" wheels is
the Great Plains brake kit http://www.greatplainsas.com/schbrakes.html
which I don't know of anybody that has used this system. I also called
Tracy Obrien about his C90 brakes which also works with the AZUSA 5"
wheels, but he did not have any in stock and seemed reluctant to commit
to an order.
Outside of the Matco system, is there anybody that has had success
with one of these other or another wheel/hydraulic brake system?
Best regards,
Ron Koval
N1037L
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| Subject: | Re: Hydraulic Brake Options |
Ron,
I have flown 800 hours on a 582 with the band brakes and the 5 inch lamb
tires. The tires were cheap($12 each) but lasted less than 6 months. When I
converted to the Jabiru, I changed the tires to Michelin 5X5. I decided I
wanted more stopping power and opted for the Tracy brakes, which were
marginally better but still subject to fade if they got hot. I next tried a set
of
original Matcos that were shipped with the 912 Pulsar. They provided mush
better stopping power, but still, not what I wanted. I talked with Matco,
at Oshkosh, and they had replaced the orignal wheel calibers with larger
ones and recommended I buy those. I did, and they work. I can now do full
power run ups and hold the aircraft with the brakes.
Now, the down side, I am not sure how much additional heat I am generating
when I do those 60 MPH finals, land on the numbers, and make the first tire
off. But, I have been able to leave skid marks, so the brakes are working
great. Excess heat will melt a fiberglass gear leg, not a good thing, so I
try to be very careful with the brakes, but it is nice to know, I can stop
quickly, if needed, and not have brake fade.
One other thing, I try to hold the nose off when applying the brakes, to
avoid undue stress on it.
So my recommendation, Matco. They know the Pulsar and are eager to work
with you and are very helpful. I would not use any other kind. My next plane
will have Matco brakes, in fact, already bought the whole setup, including
tires, from Matco.
Greg Smith
1400 hours Pulsar\Jabiru 2200
In a message dated 1/10/2011 9:45:25 A.M. Central Standard Time,
ronko@att.net wrietes:
Pulsar Enthusiasts,
I am in the process of converting my band brakes to hydraulics. I got the
master cylinder installation well along, but haven't purchased a brake
system for the main wheels yet.
Here are the options I am very aware of. First the most popular Matco
WHLW50CC.75 wheel and internal caliper with WHLAXLE7 axle. The other option
I have found which would use my current AZUSA 5" wheels is the Great Plains
brake kit _http://www.greatplainsas.com/schbrakes.html_
(http://www.greatplainsas.com/schbrakes.html) which I don't know of anybody that has used
this system. I also called Tracy Obrien about his C90 brakes which also works
with the AZUSA 5" wheels, but he did not have any in stock and seemed
reluctant to commit to an order.
Outside of the Matco system, is there anybody that has had success with
one of these other or another wheel/hydraulic brake system?
Best regards,
Ron Koval
N1037L
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pulsar-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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| Subject: | Re: Hydraulic Brake Options |
Ron:
I've tried the Matco brakes for my 582 powered Pulsar I; but replaced
them with the Great Planes product.
N190AK is a 500 # empty weight tail dragger and these brakes just barely
hold the craft at 6,200 Rpm static.
Stronger brakes, I understand, might cause the nose to pitch over at
maximum static Rpm.
Of the three (3) brake systems I've tried so far , I like these the best.
--
Alex Kozloff
P.O. Box 866
Santa Paula, CA 93061
(949) 400-6364 Cell
(805) 525-1415 Office
_!_
O-O-(_)-O-O
On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:41:02 -0800, Ron Koval <ronko@att.net> wrote:
> Pulsar Enthusiasts,
>
> I am in the process of converting my band brakes to hydraulics. I got
> the
> master cylinder installation well along, but haven't purchased a brake
> system
> for the main wheels yet.
>
> Here are the options I am very aware of. First the most popular Matco
> WHLW50CC.75 wheel and internal caliper with WHLAXLE7 axle. The other
> option I
> have found which would use my current AZUSA 5" wheels is the Great
> Plains brake
> kit http://www.greatplainsas.com/schbrakes.html which I don't know of
> anybody
> that has used this system. I also called Tracy Obrien about his C90
> brakes
> which also works with the AZUSA 5" wheels, but he did not have any in
> stock and
> seemed reluctant to commit to an order.
>
> Outside of the Matco system, is there anybody that has had success with
> one of
> these other or another wheel/hydraulic brake system?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Ron Koval
> N1037L
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| Subject: | Re: Hydraulic Brake Options |
Okay, original Matcos were much better, not mush, and it is first turn
off, not tire off. My fingers must be too far from brain.
Got to go shovel snow.
Greg
In a message dated 1/10/2011 10:37:19 A.M. Central Standard Time,
GREGSMI@aol.com writes:
Ron,
I have flown 800 hours on a 582 with the band brakes and the 5 inch lamb
tires. The tires were cheap($12 each) but lasted less than 6 months. When I
converted to the Jabiru, I changed the tires to Michelin 5X5. I decided I
wanted more stopping power and opted for the Tracy brakes, which were
marginally better but still subject to fade if they got hot. I next tried a set
of original Matcos that were shipped with the 912 Pulsar. They provided mush
better stopping power, but still, not what I wanted. I talked with Matco,
at Oshkosh, and they had replaced the orignal wheel calibers with larger
ones and recommended I buy those. I did, and they work. I can now do full
power run ups and hold the aircraft with the brakes.
Now, the down side, I am not sure how much additional heat I am generating
when I do those 60 MPH finals, land on the numbers, and make the first
tire off. But, I have been able to leave skid marks, so the brakes are working
great. Excess heat will melt a fiberglass gear leg, not a good thing, so I
try to be very careful with the brakes, but it is nice to know, I can stop
quickly, if needed, and not have brake fade.
One other thing, I try to hold the nose off when applying the brakes, to
avoid undue stress on it.
So my recommendation, Matco. They know the Pulsar and are eager to work
with you and are very helpful. I would not use any other kind. My next plane
will have Matco brakes, in fact, already bought the whole setup, including
tires, from Matco.
Greg Smith
1400 hours Pulsar\Jabiru 2200
In a message dated 1/10/2011 9:45:25 A.M. Central Standard Time,
ronko@att.net wrietes:
Pulsar Enthusiasts,
I am in the process of converting my band brakes to hydraulics. I got the
master cylinder installation well along, but haven't purchased a brake
system for the main wheels yet.
Here are the options I am very aware of. First the most popular Matco
WHLW50CC.75 wheel and internal caliper with WHLAXLE7 axle. The other option
I have found which would use my current AZUSA 5" wheels is the Great Plains
brake kit _http://www.greatplainsas.com/schbrakes.html_
(http://www.greatplainsas.com/schbrakes.html) which I don't know of anybody that has used
this system. I also called Tracy Obrien about his C90 brakes which also works
with the AZUSA 5" wheels, but he did not have any in stock and seemed
reluctant to commit to an order.
Outside of the Matco system, is there anybody that has had success with
one of these other or another wheel/hydraulic brake system?
Best regards,
Ron Koval
N1037L
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| Subject: | Re: Hydraulic Brake Options |
Ah Ha - - - what is the next plane that you are storing the brakes for
??
Brian
On 11/01/2011, at 5:43 AM, GREGSMI@aol.com wrote:
> Okay, original Matcos were much better, not mush, and it is first turn
off, not tire off. My fingers must be too far from brain.
>
> Got to go shovel snow.
>
> Greg
>
> In a message dated 1/10/2011 10:37:19 A.M. Central Standard Time,
GREGSMI@aol.com writes:
> Ron,
> I have flown 800 hours on a 582 with the band brakes and the 5 inch
lamb tires. The tires were cheap($12 each) but lasted less than 6
months. When I converted to the Jabiru, I changed the tires to Michelin
5X5. I decided I wanted more stopping power and opted for the Tracy
brakes, which were marginally better but still subject to fade if they
got hot. I next tried a set of original Matcos that were shipped with
the 912 Pulsar. They provided mush better stopping power, but still, not
what I wanted. I talked with Matco, at Oshkosh, and they had replaced
the orignal wheel calibers with larger ones and recommended I buy those.
I did, and they work. I can now do full power run ups and hold the
aircraft with the brakes.
>
> Now, the down side, I am not sure how much additional heat I am
generating when I do those 60 MPH finals, land on the numbers, and make
the first tire off. But, I have been able to leave skid marks, so the
brakes are working great. Excess heat will melt a fiberglass gear leg,
not a good thing, so I try to be very careful with the brakes, but it is
nice to know, I can stop quickly, if needed, and not have brake fade.
>
> One other thing, I try to hold the nose off when applying the brakes,
to avoid undue stress on it.
>
> So my recommendation, Matco. They know the Pulsar and are eager to
work with you and are very helpful. I would not use any other kind. My
next plane will have Matco brakes, in fact, already bought the whole
setup, including tires, from Matco.
> Greg Smith
> 1400 hours Pulsar\Jabiru 2200
>
> In a message dated 1/10/2011 9:45:25 A.M. Central Standard Time,
ronko@att.net wrietes:
> Pulsar Enthusiasts,
>
> I am in the process of converting my band brakes to hydraulics. I got
the master cylinder installation well along, but haven't purchased a
brake system for the main wheels yet.
>
> Here are the options I am very aware of. First the most popular
Matco WHLW50CC.75 wheel and internal caliper with WHLAXLE7 axle. The
other option I have found which would use my current AZUSA 5" wheels is
the Great Plains brake kit http://www.greatplainsas.com/schbrakes.html
which I don't know of anybody that has used this system. I also called
Tracy Obrien about his C90 brakes which also works with the AZUSA 5"
wheels, but he did not have any in stock and seemed reluctant to commit
to an order.
>
> Outside of the Matco system, is there anybody that has had success
with one of these other or another wheel/hydraulic brake system?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Ron Koval
> N1037L
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Hydraulic Brake Options |
Hey, anybody out there looking for a very nice Pulsar III project...?
Kelly
Kelly Crowley
787 Mid-Body Cell 40 Sr Manager
Boeing Charleston, S.C.
Cell: 316-304-5711
e-mail: kelly.p.crowley@boeing.com
DREAM?LINER
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From: owner-pulsar-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pulsar-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Anderson
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Hydraulic Brake Options
Ah Ha - - - what is the next plane that you are storing the brakes for ??
Brian
On 11/01/2011, at 5:43 AM, GREGSMI@aol.com<mailto:GREGSMI@aol.com> wrote:
Okay, original Matcos were much better, not mush, and it is first turn off,
not tire off. My fingers must be too far from brain.
Got to go shovel snow.
Greg
In a message dated 1/10/2011 10:37:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, GREGSMI@a
ol.com<mailto:GREGSMI@aol.com> writes:
Ron,
I have flown 800 hours on a 582 with the band brakes and the 5 inch lamb ti
res. The tires were cheap($12 each) but lasted less than 6 months. When I c
onverted to the Jabiru, I changed the tires to Michelin 5X5. I decided I wa
nted more stopping power and opted for the Tracy brakes, which were margina
lly better but still subject to fade if they got hot. I next tried a set of
original Matcos that were shipped with the 912 Pulsar. They provided mush
better stopping power, but still, not what I wanted. I talked with Matco, a
t Oshkosh, and they had replaced the orignal wheel calibers with larger one
s and recommended I buy those. I did, and they work. I can now do full powe
r run ups and hold the aircraft with the brakes.
Now, the down side, I am not sure how much additional heat I am generating
when I do those 60 MPH finals, land on the numbers, and make the first tire
off. But, I have been able to leave skid marks, so the brakes are working
great. Excess heat will melt a fiberglass gear leg, not a good thing, so I
try to be very careful with the brakes, but it is nice to know, I can stop
quickly, if needed, and not have brake fade.
One other thing, I try to hold the nose off when applying the brakes, to av
oid undue stress on it.
So my recommendation, Matco. They know the Pulsar and are eager to work wit
h you and are very helpful. I would not use any other kind. My next plane w
ill have Matco brakes, in fact, already bought the whole setup, including t
ires, from Matco.
Greg Smith
1400 hours Pulsar\Jabiru 2200
In a message dated 1/10/2011 9:45:25 A.M. Central Standard Time, ronko@att.
net<mailto:ronko@att.net> wrietes:
Pulsar Enthusiasts,
I am in the process of converting my band brakes to hydraulics. I got the
master cylinder installation well along, but haven't purchased a brake syst
em for the main wheels yet.
Here are the options I am very aware of. First the most popular Matco WHL
W50CC.75 wheel and internal caliper with WHLAXLE7 axle. The other option I
have found which would use my current AZUSA 5" wheels is the Great Plains
brake kit http://www.greatplainsas.com/schbrakes.html which I don't know of
anybody that has used this system. I also called Tracy Obrien about his C
90 brakes which also works with the AZUSA 5" wheels, but he did not have an
y in stock and seemed reluctant to commit to an order.
Outside of the Matco system, is there anybody that has had success with one
of these other or another wheel/hydraulic brake system?
Best regards,
Ron Koval
N1037L
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| Subject: | I think your all on drugs! |
I still have the original band brakes and think you all need all this
hydraulic stuff to stop the extra weight of your braking system! I do admit
that at high speed the bands do fade but a good pilot doesn't need to worry
about that, we just land on the numbers and let it roll out and use the
brakes to turn. The bands will hold you at full power when cold but won't
stop you at 70mph, but with over 1,200 hours on the plane the only thing I
really want to change is how the cable hooks to the band. Maybe a lever
that hooks to the band and the cable hooks to the lever.. I'm working on
it.about 2 years now but I'll figure out something. The entire band braking
system weighs about 4lbs total, what does the fluid squirting system weigh?
Jerry
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What kind of brakes does it have?=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________________________
_____=0AFrom: "Crowley, Kelly P" <kelly.p.crowley@boeing.com>=0ATo: "pulsar
-list@matronics.com" <pulsar-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Mon, January 10, 2
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Hey, anybody out there looking for a very nice Pulsar III project...?=0A-
=0A-=0AKelly=0A-=0AKelly Crowley =0A787 Mid-Body Cell 40 Sr Manager =0A
Boeing Charleston, S.C. =0ACell: 316-304-5711 =0Ae-mail: kelly.p.crowley@bo
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2011 2:03 PM=0ATo: pulsar-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pulsar-List: H
ydraulic Brake Options=0A=0AAh Ha - - - what is the next plane that you are
storing the brakes for ?? =0A=0ABrian=0A=0A=0A=0AOn 11/01/2011, at 5:43 AM
, GREGSMI@aol.com wrote:=0A=0AOkay, original Matcos were much better, not m
ush, and it is first turn off, not =0Atire off. My fingers must be too far
from brain.=0A>=0A>Got to go shovel snow.=0A>=0A>Greg=0A>=0A>In a message d
ated 1/10/2011 10:37:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, =0A>GREGSMI@aol.com wri
tes:=0A>Ron,=0A>>I have flown 800 hours on a 582 with the band brakes and t
he 5 inch lamb tires. =0A>>The tires were cheap($12 each) but lasted less t
han 6 months. When I converted =0A>>to the Jabiru, I changed the tires to M
ichelin 5X5. I decided I wanted more =0A>>stopping power and opted for the
Tracy brakes, which were marginally better but =0A>>still subject to fade i
f they got hot. I next tried a set of original Matcos =0A>>that were shippe
d with the 912 Pulsar. They provided mush better stopping power, =0A>>but s
till, not what I wanted. I talked with Matco, at Oshkosh, and they had =0A>
>replaced the orignal wheel calibers with larger ones and recommended I buy
=0A>>those. I did, and they work. I can now do full power run ups and hold
the =0A>>aircraft with the brakes. =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Now, the down side, I am
not sure how much additional heat I am generating when =0A>>I do those 60
MPH finals, land on the numbers, and make the first tire off. But, =0A>>I h
ave been able to leave skid marks, so the brakes are working great. Excess
=0A>>heat will melt a fiberglass gear leg, not a good thing, so I try to be
very =0A>>careful with the brakes, but it is nice to know, I can stop quic
kly, if needed, =0A>>and not have brake fade.=0A>>=0A>>One other thing, I t
ry to hold the nose off when applying the brakes, to avoid =0A>>undue stres
s on it.=0A>>=0A>>So my recommendation, Matco. They know the Pulsar and are
eager to work with you =0A>>and are very helpful. I would not use any othe
r kind. My next plane will have =0A>>Matco brakes, in fact, already bought
the whole setup, including tires, from =0A>>Matco.=0A>>Greg Smith=0A>>1400
hours Pulsar\Jabiru 2200=0A>>=0A>>In a message dated 1/10/2011 9:45:25 A.M.
Central Standard Time, ronko@att.net =0A>>wrietes:=0A>>Pulsar Enthusiasts,
=0A>>>=0A>>>I am in the process of converting my band brakes to hydraulics.
- I got the =0A>>>master cylinder installation well along, but haven't pu
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HLW50CC.75 wheel and internal caliper with WHLAXLE7 axle.- The other opti
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at Plains brake =0A>>>kit http://www.greatplainsas.com/schbrakes.html-whi
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d Tracy Obrien about his C90 brakes =0A>>>which also works with the AZUSA 5
" wheels, but he did not have any in stock and =0A>>>seemed reluctant to co
mmit to an order.=0A>>>=0A>>>Outside of the Matco system, is there anybody
that has had success with one of =0A>>>these other or another wheel/hydraul
ic brake system?=0A>>>=0A>>>Best regards,=0A>>>=0A>>>Ron Koval=0A>>>N1037L
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Hydraulic....
Kelly Crowley
787 Mid-Body Cell 40 Sr Manager
Boeing Charleston, S.C.
Cell: 316-304-5711
e-mail: kelly.p.crowley@boeing.com
DREAM?LINER
________________________________
From: owner-pulsar-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pulsar-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Koval
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Hydraulic Brake Options
What kind of brakes does it have?
________________________________
From: "Crowley, Kelly P" <kelly.p.crowley@boeing.com>
Sent: Mon, January 10, 2011 1:25:03 PM
Subject: RE: Pulsar-List: Hydraulic Brake Options
Hey, anybody out there looking for a very nice Pulsar III project...?
Kelly
Kelly Crowley
787 Mid-Body Cell 40 Sr Manager
Boeing Charleston, S.C.
Cell: 316-304-5711
e-mail: kelly.p.crowley@boeing.com
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From: owner-pulsar-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pulsar-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Anderson
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Hydraulic Brake Options
Ah Ha - - - what is the next plane that you are storing the brakes for ??
Brian
On 11/01/2011, at 5:43 AM, GREGSMI@aol.com<mailto:GREGSMI@aol.com> wrote:
Okay, original Matcos were much better, not mush, and it is first turn off,
not tire off. My fingers must be too far from brain.
Got to go shovel snow.
Greg
In a message dated 1/10/2011 10:37:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, GREGSMI@a
ol.com<mailto:GREGSMI@aol.com> writes:
Ron,
I have flown 800 hours on a 582 with the band brakes and the 5 inch lamb ti
res. The tires were cheap($12 each) but lasted less than 6 months. When I c
onverted to the Jabiru, I changed the tires to Michelin 5X5. I decided I wa
nted more stopping power and opted for the Tracy brakes, which were margina
lly better but still subject to fade if they got hot. I next tried a set of
original Matcos that were shipped with the 912 Pulsar. They provided mush
better stopping power, but still, not what I wanted. I talked with Matco, a
t Oshkosh, and they had replaced the orignal wheel calibers with larger one
s and recommended I buy those. I did, and they work. I can now do full powe
r run ups and hold the aircraft with the brakes.
Now, the down side, I am not sure how much additional heat I am generating
when I do those 60 MPH finals, land on the numbers, and make the first tire
off. But, I have been able to leave skid marks, so the brakes are working
great. Excess heat will melt a fiberglass gear leg, not a good thing, so I
try to be very careful with the brakes, but it is nice to know, I can stop
quickly, if needed, and not have brake fade.
One other thing, I try to hold the nose off when applying the brakes, to av
oid undue stress on it.
So my recommendation, Matco. They know the Pulsar and are eager to work wit
h you and are very helpful. I would not use any other kind. My next plane w
ill have Matco brakes, in fact, already bought the whole setup, including t
ires, from Matco.
Greg Smith
1400 hours Pulsar\Jabiru 2200
In a message dated 1/10/2011 9:45:25 A.M. Central Standard Time, ronko@att.
net<mailto:ronko@att.net> wrietes:
Pulsar Enthusiasts,
I am in the process of converting my band brakes to hydraulics. I got the
master cylinder installation well along, but haven't purchased a brake syst
em for the main wheels yet.
Here are the options I am very aware of. First the most popular Matco WHL
W50CC.75 wheel and internal caliper with WHLAXLE7 axle. The other option I
have found which would use my current AZUSA 5" wheels is the Great Plains
brake kit http://www.greatplainsas.com/schbrakes.html which I don't know of
anybody that has used this system. I also called Tracy Obrien about his C
90 brakes which also works with the AZUSA 5" wheels, but he did not have an
y in stock and seemed reluctant to commit to an order.
Outside of the Matco system, is there anybody that has had success with one
of these other or another wheel/hydraulic brake system?
Best regards,
Ron Koval
N1037L
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I'm with Jerry, I have the band brakes and they are working pretty good.=C2
- Plane =0Aweights 482 lbs.=0A=0AGeorge=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________________
_____________=0AFrom: Jerry Eastman <jerry@craftworks.biz>=0ATo: Pulsar bui
lders <pulsar-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Mon, January 10, 2011 12:03:14 PM
=0ASubject: Pulsar-List: I think your all on drugs!=0A=0A=0AI still have th
e original band brakes and think you all need all this hydraulic =0Astuff t
o stop the extra weight of your braking system!=C2- I do admit that at hi
gh =0Aspeed the bands do fade but a good pilot doesn=99t need to worr
y about that, we =0Ajust land on the numbers and let it roll out and use th
e brakes to turn.=C2- The =0Abands will hold you at full power when cold
but won=99t stop you at 70mph, but =0Awith over 1,200 hours on the pl
ane the only thing I really want to change is how =0Athe cable hooks to the
band.=C2- Maybe a lever that hooks to the band and the cable =0Ahooks to
the lever. I=99m working on itabout 2 years now bu
t I=99ll figure out =0Asomething.=C2- The entire band braking syste
m weighs about 4lbs total, what does =0Athe fluid squirting system weigh?
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All,
In my experience Matco was really great to work with. My XP kit was
purchased in 1996 with a hydraulic Matco kit. When testing after sign off
in 2007 and after a couple of trips down the runway, the brakes literally
fell apart. Pads were disintegrated and the disks were ruined.
I called the Matco owner, George. He explained to me that before he
purchased the company materials used were not well sourced and what ever wa
s
on the shelf was used and delivered to customers. Since that time he tests
materials used and he has a much better product.
Although he was not obligated, he gave me a very good price on upgraded
calipers, disks and pads. They work great and they are wearing quite well
with minimal wear on the pads.
My big problem was getting the air out of the system. In the standard
configuration with the XP, the master cylinders are inverted so you end up
trying to push bubbles down hill. I had to get on my belly under the panel
and disconnect the master cylinders, invert them and then pressure fill the
fluid through the system. It was a job and even then it was not easy.
I recommend Matco.
Dennis Adams
375CM
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 3:43 PM, George Gennuso <pulsar1@sbcglobal.net>wrot
e:
> I'm with Jerry, I have the band brakes and they are working pretty good.
> Plane weights 482 lbs.
>
> George
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Jerry Eastman <jerry@craftworks.biz>
> *To:* Pulsar builders <pulsar-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Mon, January 10, 2011 12:03:14 PM
> *Subject:* Pulsar-List: I think your all on drugs!
>
> I still have the original band brakes and think you all need all this
> hydraulic stuff to stop the extra weight of your braking system! I do ad
mit
> that at high speed the bands do fade but a good pilot doesn=92t need to w
orry
> about that, we just land on the numbers and let it roll out and use the
> brakes to turn. The bands will hold you at full power when cold but won
=92t
> stop you at 70mph, but with over 1,200 hours on the plane the only thing
I
> really want to change is how the cable hooks to the band. Maybe a lever
> that hooks to the band and the cable hooks to the lever=85. I=92m working
on
> it=85about 2 years now but I=92ll figure out something. The entire band
braking
> system weighs about 4lbs total, what does the fluid squirting system weig
h?
> Jerry
>
> **
>
> *
>
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> *
>
>
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What is this snow stuff ? Don't laugh though. My pool "freeze
protection" just started the pumps. It is only 7 pm here. My plants look
like they were nuked with roundup in the night. No brass monkeys hanging
around here. Why the hell am I hanging around here?
Oh, and Matco sold me a brake upgrade because the originals were
designed for ultra lights at 600 lbs gross as I recall. The upgrade let
me easily hold the plane with full power. I ruined two sets of pads in
about 30 hours on the first set of brakes.
----- Original Message -----
From: GREGSMI@aol.com
To: pulsar-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Hydraulic Brake Options
Okay, original Matcos were much better, not mush, and it is first turn
off, not tire off. My fingers must be too far from brain.
Got to go shovel snow.
Greg
In a message dated 1/10/2011 10:37:19 A.M. Central Standard Time,
GREGSMI@aol.com writes:
Ron,
I have flown 800 hours on a 582 with the band brakes and the 5 inch
lamb tires. The tires were cheap($12 each) but lasted less than 6
months. When I converted to the Jabiru, I changed the tires to Michelin
5X5. I decided I wanted more stopping power and opted for the Tracy
brakes, which were marginally better but still subject to fade if they
got hot. I next tried a set of original Matcos that were shipped with
the 912 Pulsar. They provided mush better stopping power, but still, not
what I wanted. I talked with Matco, at Oshkosh, and they had replaced
the orignal wheel calibers with larger ones and recommended I buy those.
I did, and they work. I can now do full power run ups and hold the
aircraft with the brakes.
Now, the down side, I am not sure how much additional heat I am
generating when I do those 60 MPH finals, land on the numbers, and make
the first tire off. But, I have been able to leave skid marks, so the
brakes are working great. Excess heat will melt a fiberglass gear leg,
not a good thing, so I try to be very careful with the brakes, but it is
nice to know, I can stop quickly, if needed, and not have brake fade.
One other thing, I try to hold the nose off when applying the
brakes, to avoid undue stress on it.
So my recommendation, Matco. They know the Pulsar and are eager to
work with you and are very helpful. I would not use any other kind. My
next plane will have Matco brakes, in fact, already bought the whole
setup, including tires, from Matco.
Greg Smith
1400 hours Pulsar\Jabiru 2200
In a message dated 1/10/2011 9:45:25 A.M. Central Standard Time,
ronko@att.net wrietes:
Pulsar Enthusiasts,
I am in the process of converting my band brakes to hydraulics. I
got the master cylinder installation well along, but haven't purchased a
brake system for the main wheels yet.
Here are the options I am very aware of. First the most popular
Matco WHLW50CC.75 wheel and internal caliper with WHLAXLE7 axle. The
other option I have found which would use my current AZUSA 5" wheels is
the Great Plains brake kit http://www.greatplainsas.com/schbrakes.html
which I don't know of anybody that has used this system. I also called
Tracy Obrien about his C90 brakes which also works with the AZUSA 5"
wheels, but he did not have any in stock and seemed reluctant to commit
to an order.
Outside of the Matco system, is there anybody that has had success
with one of these other or another wheel/hydraulic brake system?
Best regards,
Ron Koval
N1037L
ef="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pulsar-List">http://www.matronic
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Hey John,
Good to hear from you and know your Pulsar is doing fine! Do you talk to
Rick T. at all nowadays?
Take care,
Tom Gibbons
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Schussler" <n345js@verizon.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 11:55 AM
Subject: Pulsar-List: personal update from John Schussler
>
> I have not posted in a year or 2, but still have my XP (N345JS) and fly it
> once or twice a month. Last August 29th I flew to celebrate the 10th
> anniversary of my first flight. It took me several years to work out the
> bugs and get really comfortable with the plane. I used to spend more time
> working on it than flying, now I can just hop in and fly. The Pulsar has
> been very reliable; no damage or serious maintenance issues.
>
>
> The water based paint I had used failed, so I to remove it all with a
> razor blade and Polyfiber gave me replacement Aerothane. This was applied
> just before I moved to FL in 2005. It took about 4 months to get the
> airplane to FL, so I only flew it 17 hours that year. Now fly about 30-40
> hours per year, not really enuf to justify ownership costs, especially
> high hangar rental rates here. Have 500 hours TT on my Pulsar. But I
> can't imagine selling it, even thought I want to buy a small sailboat. Two
> holes to throw money into. Still work at the local airport as Properties
> Director.
>
>
> Came close to hitting some big birds in flight, and discussed that issue
> on this list in 2009. Bought a new Prince P-tip prop in 2009 and believe
> it may survive bird strike that the original GSC prop would not. Am happy
> with new prop.
>
>
> John Schussler
>
> 4431 Winston Lane S.
>
> Sarasota, FL 34235
>
> johnschussler@verizon.net
>
> 941-358-6568 home
>
>
>
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Myron,
Wanna see snow and freeze!! Come on up to Minnesota!
It's a daily thing!
Sheese!!!
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: MyronTruex
To: pulsar-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Hydraulic Brake Options
What is this snow stuff ? Don't laugh though. My pool "freeze
protection" just started the pumps. It is only 7 pm here. My plants look
like they were nuked with roundup in the night. No brass monkeys hanging
around here. Why the hell am I hanging around here?
Oh, and Matco sold me a brake upgrade because the originals were
designed for ultra lights at 600 lbs gross as I recall. The upgrade let
me easily hold the plane with full power. I ruined two sets of pads in
about 30 hours on the first set of brakes.
----- Original Message -----
From: GREGSMI@aol.com
To: pulsar-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Hydraulic Brake Options
Okay, original Matcos were much better, not mush, and it is first
turn off, not tire off. My fingers must be too far from brain.
Got to go shovel snow.
Greg
In a message dated 1/10/2011 10:37:19 A.M. Central Standard Time,
GREGSMI@aol.com writes:
Ron,
I have flown 800 hours on a 582 with the band brakes and the 5
inch lamb tires. The tires were cheap($12 each) but lasted less than 6
months. When I converted to the Jabiru, I changed the tires to Michelin
5X5. I decided I wanted more stopping power and opted for the Tracy
brakes, which were marginally better but still subject to fade if they
got hot. I next tried a set of original Matcos that were shipped with
the 912 Pulsar. They provided mush better stopping power, but still, not
what I wanted. I talked with Matco, at Oshkosh, and they had replaced
the orignal wheel calibers with larger ones and recommended I buy those.
I did, and they work. I can now do full power run ups and hold the
aircraft with the brakes.
Now, the down side, I am not sure how much additional heat I am
generating when I do those 60 MPH finals, land on the numbers, and make
the first tire off. But, I have been able to leave skid marks, so the
brakes are working great. Excess heat will melt a fiberglass gear leg,
not a good thing, so I try to be very careful with the brakes, but it is
nice to know, I can stop quickly, if needed, and not have brake fade.
One other thing, I try to hold the nose off when applying the
brakes, to avoid undue stress on it.
So my recommendation, Matco. They know the Pulsar and are eager to
work with you and are very helpful. I would not use any other kind. My
next plane will have Matco brakes, in fact, already bought the whole
setup, including tires, from Matco.
Greg Smith
1400 hours Pulsar\Jabiru 2200
In a message dated 1/10/2011 9:45:25 A.M. Central Standard Time,
ronko@att.net wrietes:
Pulsar Enthusiasts,
I am in the process of converting my band brakes to hydraulics.
I got the master cylinder installation well along, but haven't purchased
a brake system for the main wheels yet.
Here are the options I am very aware of. First the most
popular Matco WHLW50CC.75 wheel and internal caliper with WHLAXLE7 axle.
The other option I have found which would use my current AZUSA 5"
wheels is the Great Plains brake kit
http://www.greatplainsas.com/schbrakes.html which I don't know of
anybody that has used this system. I also called Tracy Obrien about his
C90 brakes which also works with the AZUSA 5" wheels, but he did not
have any in stock and seemed reluctant to commit to an order.
Outside of the Matco system, is there anybody that has had
success with one of these other or another wheel/hydraulic brake system?
Best regards,
Ron Koval
N1037L
ef="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pulsar-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Pulsar-List
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