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1. 05:09 AM - Re: Re-Engine a Pulsar 582 to 912UL (aaajay)
2. 06:44 AM - Re: Re: Re-Engine a Pulsar 582 to 912UL (GREGSMI@aol.com)
3. 09:14 AM - Firewall (rockford67)
4. 10:18 AM - Re: Firewall (sonja.englert@juno.com)
5. 10:57 AM - Re: Firewall (Coleman)
6. 05:53 PM - Re: Re: Gross Weight increase (HUGH COULTER)
7. 05:58 PM - Re: Re: Gross Weight increase (HUGH COULTER)
8. 06:04 PM - Re: Re-Engine a Pulsar 582 to 912UL (HUGH COULTER)
9. 07:55 PM - Re: Re: Gross Weight increase (Bob Heiser)
10. 08:46 PM - Re: Gross Weight increase (rockford67)
11. 08:47 PM - Re: Firewall (rockford67)
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| Subject: | Re: Re-Engine a Pulsar 582 to 912UL |
Hello Greg,
I don't have the serial number handy but it is an older kit (circa 1990). The spar
is a combination of both wood and glass. The fuel tank is behind the instrument
panel. The seller said he was sure we could put in a 912 for what its worth.
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| Subject: | Re: Re-Engine a Pulsar 582 to 912UL |
Well, wood spars and fuselage tank eliminate the possibility of a 912. It
is also a good possibility that the composite structure is made with 6 oz.
glass, which again eliminates any possibility of safely installing a 912.
That is the bad news
Now for the good. If you are really intent on replacing the 582, others,
including myself have installed the Jabiru 2200. Jabiru makes a firewall
forward kit for the Pulsar.
Greg
In a message dated 7/21/2011 7:09:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
jrienas@gmail.com writes:
--> Pulsar-List message posted by: "aaajay" <jrienas@gmail.com>
Hello Greg,
I don't have the serial number handy but it is an older kit (circa 1990).
The spar is a combination of both wood and glass. The fuel tank is behind
the instrument panel. The seller said he was sure we could put in a 912 for
what its worth.
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Hey Builders,
Was there any specific instruction on installing a firewall in the pulsar xp? Mine
seems to have an aluminum one, but I MUST have something proven to be fire
rated. My inspector suggests that a lot of glass planes used fibrefax on the
firewall which may suffice, and with the aluminum on top would be fine, however,
I can't seem to find anything in the manuals and logs describing any specific
application. What did most of you do?
The standard acceptable firewall here is Stainless steel. My plan is to add a stainless
layer over top of the aluminum one as it appears to be bonded in and
I'd prefer not to remove it. Of course, if there is fibrefax behind as part of
the original fuse kit then I'm good too...
Any thoughts?
Thanks
Chris
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I have a stainless steel firewall. It would make sense to remove the aluminum,
it does nothing but add weight.
Sonja
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I used Fiberfax with aluminum over it.- The aluminum not only slows down
any =0Afire damage but keeps the Fiberfax clean and in place.- It seemed
to be a pretty =0Apopular way to go back-when Pulsars were being built (s
orry Tom) so yours may =0Aalready have it installed behind the aluminum.=0A
=0ABill=0AN331BP=0APulsar XP=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A
From: rockford67 <cphorsten@yahoo.ca>=0ATo: pulsar-list@matronics.com=0ASen
t: Thu, July 21, 2011 12:13:16 PM=0ASubject: Pulsar-List: Firewall=0A=0A-->
Pulsar-List message posted by: "rockford67" <cphorsten@yahoo.ca>=0A=0AHey
Builders,=0A=0AWas there any specific instruction on installing a firewall
in the pulsar xp? =0AMine seems to have an aluminum one, but I MUST have so
mething proven to be fire =0Arated. My inspector suggests that a lot of gla
ss planes used fibrefax on the =0Afirewall which may suffice, and with the
aluminum on top would be fine, however, =0AI can't seem to find anything in
the manuals and logs describing any specific =0Aapplication. What did most
of you do?=0A=0AThe standard acceptable firewall here is Stainless steel.
My plan is to add a =0Astainless layer over top of the aluminum one as it a
ppears to be bonded in and =0AI'd prefer not to remove it. Of course, if th
ere is fibrefax behind as part of =0Athe original fuse kit then I'm good to
o...=0A=0AAny thoughts?=0AThanks=0AChris=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic onli
ne here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347314#347314
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| Subject: | Re: Gross Weight increase |
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 07:16:47 -0700
"rockford67" <cphorsten@yahoo.ca> wrote:
><cphorsten@yahoo.ca>
>
> Well, it seems there is no great desire to increase the
>load on the Pulsar's out there. My local inspector
>suggested that if the right calculations could be done,
>reducing the G limits could allow for more weight. I
>guess no one has done it. The higher G limits of the
>Pulsar suggest that there is some margin there but I'm
>not about to be the test pilot. Have to wonder about what
>the heavier examples are doing though? Mine weighs an
>unconfirmed 620 lbs which I think is heavy, but have a
>look at the one on Barnstormers for sale which weighs in
>at 800-something with a 1200 gross. After full fuel he
>has less than 250lbs left.
>
> So, maybe the right question should be, what sort of
>things will reduce the empty weight? With a vacuum pump
>and a six pack, plus a radio and transponder there is
>definitely room to shed a few pounds, but I'd like to
>keep all these! A Dynon is a possibility and it would
>eliminate the pump. Some lighter radios are possible. But
>all this comes at great expense. I'd like to get the
>weight to 600lb but is that realistic? How many owners
>have Pulsars that weigh in at 600lbs or less? And if they
>do, what sort of equipment do they have?
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347029#347029
>
>
> My XP Series I is 600 lbs. I understand the Series III comes in at about 700.
Mark Browns 582 is under 500.
Clarke
>
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>Forums!
>Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Gross Weight increase |
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:08:51 -0400
Bernard Wilder <bernard.wilder2@gmail.com> wrote:
> There are people who are flying their Pulsars a little
>heavy. Haven't
> heard of one breaking yet.
>
> Of more concern to me was the CG calculation. With my
>XP if I load to max
> gross and then run the wing fuel cells way down, I bust
>the aft CG limit.
>
> Bernie Wilder
>
> Bernie Wilder
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 11:49 AM, pilot623
><pilot623@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>><pilot623@gmail.com>
>>
>> Chris,
>>
>> For weight comparisons, you need to know the exact model
>>and possibly the
>> serial number of the other planes. I don't have the info
>>but I'm sure
>> someone here can tell you when and how the various
>>models changed and how
>> that relates to expected empty weight. Mine is a Series
>>2 with Rotax 912S
>> and weighed in at 685 lbs empty when first built. Like
>>most planes, it has
>> gained weight over time with the addition of another
>>auto pilot, CS prop,
>> fire repairs, etc. To compensate, I have lost a little
>>weight.
>>
>> Jim
>>
With me and my wife and 2 galons of fuel ( worst case) we
can only have 30 lbs of luggage or we go aft CG.
Clarke
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pulsar-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pulsar-list-server@matronics.com] On
>>Behalf Of rockford67
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 9:17 AM
>> To: pulsar-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Pulsar-List: Re: Gross Weight increase
>>
>><cphorsten@yahoo.ca>
>>
>> Well, it seems there is no great desire to increase the
>>load on the
>> Pulsar's
>> out there. My local inspector suggested that if the
>>right calculations
>> could
>> be done, reducing the G limits could allow for more
>>weight. I guess no one
>> has done it. The higher G limits of the Pulsar suggest
>>that there is some
>> margin there but I'm not about to be the test pilot.
>>Have to wonder about
>> what the heavier examples are doing though? Mine weighs
>>an unconfirmed 620
>> lbs which I think is heavy, but have a look at the one
>>on Barnstormers for
>> sale which weighs in at 800-something with a 1200 gross.
>>After full fuel he
>> has less than 250lbs left.
>>
>> So, maybe the right question should be, what sort of
>>things will reduce the
>> empty weight? With a vacuum pump and a six pack, plus a
>>radio and
>> transponder there is definitely room to shed a few
>>pounds, but I'd like to
>> keep all these! A Dynon is a possibility and it would
>>eliminate the pump.
>> Some lighter radios are possible. But all this comes at
>>great expense. I'd
>> like to get the weight to 600lb but is that realistic?
>>How many owners have
>> Pulsars that weigh in at 600lbs or less? And if they do,
>>what sort of
>> equipment do they have?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347029#347029
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Re-Engine a Pulsar 582 to 912UL |
On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 09:29:11 -0700
"aaajay" <jrienas@gmail.com> wrote:
><jrienas@gmail.com>
>
> Hello,
>
> I recently purchased a Pulsar with a brand new 582
>engine but I've got a colleague who has a 912UL for sale
>that I would be very interested in purchasing if I would
>be able to install it in my aircraft. I'd be much happier
>having the extra power in the 912 v. the 582 so if it's
>possible, I'd love to get feedback on the installation or
>any modifications to the engine mounts etc that would be
>required. I'd obviously then be selling the 582.
>
> Thanks so much!
>
> Jay
>
You need to find out more about your PULSAR. Some of the
582's had a gross weight of 900 lbs.
Clarke
> jrienas@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347183#347183
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Un/Subscription,
>Forums!
>Admin.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gross Weight increase |
*Pulsar XP N12RV composite wings and spars VFR panel w autopilot 570 lb
empty.
I was careful when building to use just enough resin to wet the glass
and used peel ply paper towels and sand bags to absorb the extra resin
whenever possible.
Most of the extra weight is likely extra resin - hard to remove now.
*
*God Bless
Bob Heiser*
On 7/21/2011 7:52 PM, HUGH COULTER wrote:
> <ccoulter@wavecable.com>
>
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 07:16:47 -0700
> "rockford67" <cphorsten@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Well, it seems there is no great desire to increase the load on the
>> Pulsar's out there. My local inspector suggested that if the right
>> calculations could be done, reducing the G limits could allow for
>> more weight. I guess no one has done it. The higher G limits of the
>> Pulsar suggest that there is some margin there but I'm not about to
>> be the test pilot. Have to wonder about what the heavier examples are
>> doing though? Mine weighs an unconfirmed 620 lbs which I think is
>> heavy, but have a look at the one on Barnstormers for sale which
>> weighs in at 800-something with a 1200 gross. After full fuel he has
>> less than 250lbs left.
>> So, maybe the right question should be, what sort of things will
>> reduce the empty weight? With a vacuum pump and a six pack, plus a
>> radio and transponder there is definitely room to shed a few pounds,
>> but I'd like to keep all these! A Dynon is a possibility and it would
>> eliminate the pump. Some lighter radios are possible. But all this
>> comes at great expense. I'd like to get the weight to 600lb but is
>> that realistic? How many owners have Pulsars that weigh in at 600lbs
>> or less? And if they do, what sort of equipment do they have?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347029#347029
>>
>>
>> My XP Series I is 600 lbs. I understand the Series III comes in at
>> about 700. Mark Browns 582 is under 500.
>
> Clarke
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Un/Subscription,
>> Forums!
>> Admin.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gross Weight increase |
Bob I think you are right about the resin. Possibly one of the single biggest weight
problems. Always been a metal airplane guy, but now that I've this glass
bird I'm watching some you tube videos about layups etc. Seems the important
thing is to use as little resin as possible. The extra resin doesn't add any strength.
Wish I could still buy a new Pulsar kit. Would be fun to give it a try
from scratch.
C
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sonja.englert(at)juno.com wrote:
> I have a stainless steel firewall. It would make sense to remove the aluminum,
it does nothing but add weight.
>
> Sonja
>
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Sonja,
I'm going to see what behind the aluminum first, and if its fibrefax leave it alone
if that's okay with my inspector. If not, I'll probably pull it off as you
suggest. I might shave a couple pounds off in the process.
C
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