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1. 06:26 AM - Tanks leaking (barrynorman@comcast.net)
2. 08:52 AM - What Paint Product Did You Use? (Ron Koval)
3. 09:07 AM - Re: What Paint Product Did You Use? (barrynorman@comcast.net)
4. 09:07 AM - Re: Tanks leaking (David Weaver)
5. 09:24 AM - Re: Tanks leaking (barrynorman@comcast.net)
6. 10:07 AM - Re: What Paint Product Did You Use? (Myron Truex)
7. 10:13 AM - Re: [Pulsar-Aviators] What Paint Product Did You Use? (GREGSMI@aol.com)
8. 10:41 AM - Re: What Paint Product Did You Use? (George Gennuso)
9. 10:48 AM - Pulsar flying video (sonja.englert@juno.com)
10. 11:18 AM - Re: Pulsar flying video (Alex Kozloff)
11. 11:51 AM - Re: Tanks leaking (Jim Fillman)
12. 11:57 AM - Re: Tanks leaking (GREGSMI@aol.com)
13. 11:59 AM - Re: What Paint Product Did You Use? (Larry Eubanks)
14. 01:00 PM - Re: Tanks leaking (barrynorman@comcast.net)
15. 01:02 PM - Re: Pulsar flying video (everettmcollier)
16. 01:21 PM - Re: Tanks leaking (Jim Fillman)
17. 01:40 PM - Re: Pulsar flying video (Keith Palmer)
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Went out to the hanger yesterday to install new main tires and noticed both
tanks had started leaking. One was leaking pretty bad and the other was no
ticeable. The ironic thing is the gas ran down the gear legs and puddled un
der the tires and ruined the tires that were already shot. Thank goodness i
t didn't happen after I put the new tires on.
Anyway, I thought this might be a result of the extreme temps we had over t
he weekend (107 plus and maybe 140+ in the hanger). I inderstand that most
people replaced the sealant after about five years and it's been six for me
. Does anyone know which sealant is best to use? I know AircraftSpruce sell
s a Polysulfide sealant in a 3.5 ounce tube.=C2-Are there any new product
s that work any better?
I haven't taken the wings off yet but was wondering if there are any other
things I should look for in terms of what caused this leak other than seala
nt failure? It appear s to be comming from the endcaps at this point.
Thanks,
Barry Norman
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| Subject: | What Paint Product Did You Use? |
Pulsar Builders,=0A=0AI have a general question for those that painted thei
r Pulsar themselves or =0Athose that had it done for them but know the prod
uct that was used.--What paint =0Afinish product-did you-use?- An
d, were you happy with the results or would you =0Ause something different
if you had to do it all over again?=0A=0AThanks in advance to your response
s.=0A=0ARon
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| Subject: | Re: What Paint Product Did You Use? |
I used Matrix products and was very happy with it. It's held up very well o
ver 6 years.
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Koval" <ronko@att.net>
ups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 11:51:43 AM
Subject: Pulsar-List: What Paint Product Did You Use?
Pulsar Builders,
=C2-
I have a general question for those that painted their Pulsar themselves or
those that had it done for them but know the product that was used.=C2-
=C2-What paint finish product=C2-did you=C2-use?=C2- And, were you
happy with the results or would you use something different if you had to d
o it all over again?
=C2-
Thanks in advance to your responses.
=C2-
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| Subject: | Re: Tanks leaking |
I have had no further problems with fuel tank close out plate sealant since
application of PR-1750 two part sealant from PRC Desoto.- It is availabl
e through distributors such as Bergdahl Associates.- Due to shelf life is
sues and market demand, some distributors may have to order it from PRC Des
oto.- The polysulfide sealants are typically rated for a few hundred degr
ees F.- Current atmospheric temps should not played much of a roll in you
r problem.- I would recommend the longer 4 hour pot life material.- It
is expensive and impervious to fuel containing alcohol.- As far as I know
, age is not a factor as much as substrate preparation for application of a
polysulfide sealant.- How tight are your close out plates to the fuselag
e when wings fully seated?- If you are not sure then you could check with
thin layer of modeling clay applied to suspect area and re seat the wing t
o verify.- The fuel filler ring on the wing tank is an area, due to
dissimilar material intersection with different coefficients of expansion,
requires routine inspection.- Since my wing tanks are sealed with Jeff c
o 9700 (has flexibility issues), I used a more flexible polysulfide coating
to bridge the fuel filler ring transition area.
Regards - Dave Weaver
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From: barrynorman@comcast.net <barrynorman@comcast.net>
Subject: Pulsar-List: Tanks leaking
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Went out to the hanger yesterday to install new main tires and noticed both
tanks had started leaking. One was leaking pretty bad and the other was no
ticeable. The ironic thing is the gas ran down the gear legs and puddled un
der the tires and ruined the tires that were already shot. Thank goodness i
t didn't happen after I put the new tires on.
-
Anyway, I thought this might be a result of the extreme temps we had over t
he weekend (107 plus and maybe 140+ in the hanger). I inderstand that most
people replaced the sealant after about five years and it's been six for me
. Does anyone know which sealant is best to use? I know AircraftSpruce sell
s a Polysulfide sealant in a 3.5 ounce tube.-Are there any new products t
hat work any better?
-
I haven't taken the wings off yet but was wondering if there are any other
things I should look for in terms of what caused this leak other than seala
nt failure? It appears to be comming from the endcaps at this point.
-
Thanks,
Barry Norman
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| Subject: | Re: Tanks leaking |
Thanks David. I think I have plenty of clearance between the plates and the
plane. I used Chemseal CS 3204 when I put the plates on while building. I'
ll check out the PR-1750.
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Weaver" <mortweaver@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 12:06:57 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Tanks leaking
I have had no further problems with fuel tank close out plate sealant since
application of PR-1750 two part sealant from PRC Desoto.=C2- It is avail
able through distributors such as Bergdahl Associates.=C2- Due to shelf l
ife issues and market demand, some distributors may have to order it from P
RC Desoto.=C2- The polysulfide sealants are typically rated for a few hun
dred degrees F.=C2- Current atmospheric temps should not played much of a
roll in your problem.=C2- I would recommend the longer 4 hour pot life m
aterial.=C2- It is expensive and impervious to fuel containing alcohol.
=C2- As far as I know, age is not a factor as much as substrate preparati
on for application of a polysulfide sealant.=C2- How tight are your close
out plates to the fuselage when wings fully seated?=C2- If you are not s
ure then you could check with thin layer of modeling clay applied to suspec
t area and re seat the wing to verify.=C2- The fuel filler ring on the wi
ng tank is an area, due to dissimilar material intersection with different
coefficients of expansion, requires routine inspection.=C2- Since my wing
tanks are sealed with Jeff co 9700 (has flexibility issues), I used a more
flexible polysulfide coating to bridge the fuel filler ring transition are
a.
Regards - Dave Weaver
--- On Thu, 7/5/12, barrynorman@comcast.net <barrynorman@comcast.net> wrote
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From: barrynorman@comcast.net <barrynorman@comcast.net>
Subject: Pulsar-List: Tanks leaking
Went out to the hanger yesterday to install new main tires and noticed both
tanks had started leaking. One was leaking pretty bad and the other was no
ticeable. The ironic thing is the gas ran down the gear legs and puddled un
der the tires and ruined the tires that were already shot. Thank goodness i
t didn't happen after I put the new tires on.
=C2-
Anyway, I thought this might be a result of the extreme temps we had over t
he weekend (107 plus and maybe 140+ in the hanger). I inderstand that most
people replaced the sealant after about five years and it's been six for me
. Does anyone know which sealant is best to use? I know AircraftSpruce sell
s a Polysulfide sealant in a 3.5 ounce tube.=C2-Are there any new product
s that work any better?
=C2-
I haven't taken the wings off yet but was wondering if there are any other
things I should look for in terms of what caused this leak other than seala
nt failure? It appears to be comming from the endcaps at this point.
=C2-
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| Subject: | What Paint Product Did You Use? |
PPG two part epoxy paint. Then color sanded it till it looked like plastic.
Easy to touch up or make major repairs.
_____
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[mailto:owner-pulsar-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Koval
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 8:52 AM
Subject: Pulsar-List: What Paint Product Did You Use?
Pulsar Builders,
I have a general question for those that painted their Pulsar themselves or
those that had it done for them but know the product that was used. What
paint finish product did you use? And, were you happy with the results or
would you use something different if you had to do it all over again?
Thanks in advance to your responses.
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: [Pulsar-Aviators] What Paint Product Did You Use? |
In 1994, my plane was painted with Imron. After 1500 hours of flying, the
paint still looks good.
Greg
In a message dated 7/5/2012 10:51:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
ronko11@yahoo.com writes:
Pulsar Builders,
I have a general question for those that painted their Pulsar themselves
or those that had it done for them but know the product that was used. Wh
at
paint finish product did you use? And, were you happy with the results or
would you use something different if you had to do it all over again?
Thanks in advance to your responses.
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: What Paint Product Did You Use? |
We used PPG Concept 2000 base coat and clear coat.- It's 12 years old and
looks =0Aas good as when we painted it.- If I had to do it over again I
would use a one =0Acoat process, the clear coat just made it heavy, could h
ave saved 10-12 pounds.=0A=0AGeorge=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_________________________
_______=0AFrom: Ron Koval <ronko@att.net>=0ATo: Pulsar Builders <Pulsar-Lis
t@matronics.com>; Pulsar-Aviators@yahoogroups.com=0ASent: Thu, July 5, 2012
8:59:16 AM=0ASubject: Pulsar-List: What Paint Product Did You Use?=0A=0A
=0APulsar Builders,=0A=0AI have a general question for those that painted t
heir Pulsar themselves or =0Athose that had it done for them but know the p
roduct that was used.--What paint =0Afinish product-did you-use?-
And, were you happy with the results or would you =0Ause something differe
nt if you had to do it all over again?=0A=0AThanks in advance to your respo
= =0A
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| Subject: | Pulsar flying video |
Hello All,
I made a small video of flying my Pulsar in the mountains. Take a look at:
http://youtu.be/xgMFGVMpmZ0
Sonja
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| Subject: | Re: Pulsar flying video |
Sonja:
Beautiful pictures and beautiful background music.
Flying is the only way to enjoy Nature's wondrous tapestry and grand
design.
Thank you for sharing.
On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:46:07 -0700, sonja.englert@juno.com
<sonja.englert@juno.com> wrote:
> <sonja.englert@juno.com>
>
> Hello All,
>
> I made a small video of flying my Pulsar in the mountains. Take a look
> at:
>
> http://youtu.be/xgMFGVMpmZ0
>
> Sonja
>
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416 East Santa Maria Street Hangar # 31
Santa Paula, CA 93060 (UPS & FedEx)
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| Subject: | Re: Tanks leaking |
You bet. All should see the correction for the tanks.
In a message dated 7/5/2012 1:52:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
pilot623@gmail.com writes:
Barry,
I have lots of information to give about the fix described by Mark Brown
after he saw the problem I had with my tanks. It would be easiest to give by
phone so give me a ring anytime you like. 512.789.5463
Greg,
This topic might be worth 15 minutes at the fly-in.
Jim
Sent from my Android
barrynorman@comcast.net wrote:
Went out to the hanger yesterday to install new main tires and noticed both
tanks had started leaking. One was leaking pretty bad and the other was
noticeable. The ironic thing is the gas ran down the gear legs and puddled
under the tires and ruined the tires that were already shot. Thank goodness
it didn't happen after I put the new tires on.
Anyway, I thought this might be a result of the extreme temps we had over
the weekend (107 plus and maybe 140+ in the hanger). I inderstand that most
people replaced the sealant after about five years and it's been six for
me. Does anyone know which sealant is best to use? I know AircraftSpruce
sells a Polysulfide sealant in a 3.5 ounce tube. Are there any new products
that work any better?
I haven't taken the wings off yet but was wondering if there are any other
things I should look for in terms of what caused this leak other than
sealant failure? It appears to be comming from the endcaps at this point.
Thanks,
Barry Norman
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| Subject: | Re: What Paint Product Did You Use? |
I have used acrylic urethane for both Cars and planes and it works very
well. Fairly easy to apply and repair if damaged. Minor scrapes can be
buffed out, some chips can be repaired with a brush and color sanded to
new.
The Imron is more for a professional to apply (dangerous stuff)but is
extremely tough and a little more expensive. However if if you bang your
plane hard enough to damage the paint you will probably dent the
fuselage anyway.
My recommendation for do it your self painting is the acrylic urethane
with the clear built in. PPG Concept is on my current Pulsar, Spies
Hecker was used on the first and it was good but expensive. Most brands
are pretty good but it's really the painter and lot's of hard work that
makes them look great.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Koval
To: Pulsar Builders ; Pulsar-Aviators@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 10:51 AM
Subject: Pulsar-List: What Paint Product Did You Use?
Pulsar Builders,
I have a general question for those that painted their Pulsar
themselves or those that had it done for them but know the product that
was used. What paint finish product did you use? And, were you happy
with the results or would you use something different if you had to do
it all over again?
Thanks in advance to your responses.
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Tanks leaking |
I can tell exactly what you did from the pictures. That was a great help. D
o you think I could use structure adhesive mixed with flox instead of the e
poxy? The structural adhesive is very strong and I have plenty of it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Fillman" <pilot623@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 2:50:54 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Tanks leaking
Barry,
I have lots of information to give about the fix described by Mark Brown af
ter he saw the problem I had with my tanks. It would be easiest to give by
phone so give me a ring anytime you like. 512.789.5463
Greg,
This topic might be worth 15 minutes at the fly-in.
Jim
Sent from my Android
barrynorman@comcast.net wrote:
Went out to the hanger yesterday to install new main tires and noticed both
tanks had started leaking. One was leaking pretty bad and the other was no
ticeable. The ironic thing is the gas ran down the gear legs and puddled un
der the tires and ruined the tires that were already shot. Thank goodness i
t didn't happen after I put the new tires on.
=C2-
Anyway, I thought this might be a result of the extreme temps we had over t
he weekend (107 plus and maybe 140+ in the hanger). I inderstand that most
people replaced the sealant after about five years and it's been six for me
. Does anyone know which sealant is best to use? I know AircraftSpruce sell
s a Polysulfide sealant in a 3.5 ounce tube.=C2-Are there any new product
s that work any better?
=C2-
I haven't taken the wings off yet but was wondering if there are any other
things I should look for in terms of what caused this leak other than seala
nt failure? It appears to be comming from the endcaps at this point.
=C2-
Thanks,
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| Subject: | Re: Pulsar flying video |
Thanks Sonja for posting your video. Enjoyed watching it. Wondering when it was
filmed. Still quite a bit of snow.
Everett Collier
Lake Californiaa
On Jul 5, 2012, at 5:46 PM, "sonja.englert@juno.com" <sonja.englert@juno.com> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> I made a small video of flying my Pulsar in the mountains. Take a look at:
>
> http://youtu.be/xgMFGVMpmZ0
>
> Sonja
>
> ____________________________________________________________
> 5 Best Diet Pills of 2012
> Find out which diet pills tested highest for weight loss. Free report.
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| Subject: | Re: Tanks leaking |
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| Subject: | Re: Pulsar flying video |
Hi Sonja,
That was beautifull, I love flying in the Mountains in South
Africa on the wave & I have had free use of a Pilatus B4 glider based in
Invermere, British Columbia and did many hours flying in the Canadian
Rockies - this is just a little north of your home base.
Great Stuff
Rgds
Keith
PS I'll send you some pix
----- Original Message -----
From: <sonja.englert@juno.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 7:46 PM
Subject: Pulsar-List: Pulsar flying video
> <sonja.englert@juno.com>
>
> Hello All,
>
> I made a small video of flying my Pulsar in the mountains. Take a look at:
>
> http://youtu.be/xgMFGVMpmZ0
>
> Sonja
>
> ____________________________________________________________
> 5 Best Diet Pills of 2012
> Find out which diet pills tested highest for weight loss. Free report.
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4ff5d327366d653273597st54duc
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tanks leaking |
Do not use structural adhesive on the fuel tank. The structural adhesive
I tested dissolves in fuel with ethanol. Two things will happen, the
adhesive in solution will get to your filters and carbs and could partiall
y or
fully block fuel flow. And, your tank will leak. None of that is good.
I can tell exactly what you did from the pictures. That was a great help.
Do you think I could use structure adhesive mixed with flox instead of the
epoxy? The structural adhesive is very strong and I have plenty of it.
____________________________________
From: "Jim Fillman" <pilot623@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 2:50:54 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Tanks leaking
Barry,
I have lots of information to give about the fix described by Mark Brown
after he saw the problem I had with my tanks. It would be easiest to give
by
phone so give me a ring anytime you like. 512.789.5463
Greg,
This topic might be worth 15 minutes at the fly-in.
Jim
Sent from my Android
barrynorman@comcast.net wrote:
Went out to the hanger yesterday to install new main tires and noticed both
tanks had started leaking. One was leaking pretty bad and the other was
noticeable. The ironic thing is the gas ran down the gear legs and puddled
under the tires and ruined the tires that were already shot. Thank goodness
it didn't happen after I put the new tires on.
Anyway, I thought this might be a result of the extreme temps we had over
the weekend (107 plus and maybe 140+ in the hanger). I inderstand that most
people replaced the sealant after about five years and it's been six for
me. Does anyone know which sealant is best to use? I know AircraftSpruce
sells a Polysulfide sealant in a 3.5 ounce tube. Are there any new product
s
that work any better?
I haven't taken the wings off yet but was wondering if there are any other
things I should look for in terms of what caused this leak other than
sealant failure? It appears to be comming from the endcaps at this point.
Thanks,
Barry Norman
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| Subject: | Re: Tanks leaking |
I believe Greg is right on this one. I had to repair my fuselage tank
due to the structural adhesive simply disappearing. The shape of it was
still there under the sealer but the adhesive was gone. The strange
thing is I had used very little fuel with ethanol in it.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: GREGSMI@aol.com
To: pulsar-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Tanks leaking
Do not use structural adhesive on the fuel tank. The structural
adhesive I tested dissolves in fuel with ethanol. Two things will
happen, the adhesive in solution will get to your filters and carbs and
could partially or fully block fuel flow. And, your tank will leak. None
of that is good.
I can tell exactly what you did from the pictures. That was a great
help. Do you think I could use structure adhesive mixed with flox
instead of the epoxy? The structural adhesive is very strong and I have
plenty of it.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: "Jim Fillman" <pilot623@gmail.com>
To: pulsar-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 2:50:54 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Tanks leaking
Barry,
I have lots of information to give about the fix described by Mark
Brown after he saw the problem I had with my tanks. It would be easiest
to give by phone so give me a ring anytime you like. 512.789.5463
Greg,
This topic might be worth 15 minutes at the fly-in.
Jim
Sent from my Android
barrynorman@comcast.net wrote:
Went out to the hanger yesterday to install new main tires and
noticed both tanks had started leaking. One was leaking pretty bad and
the other was noticeable. The ironic thing is the gas ran down the gear
legs and puddled under the tires and ruined the tires that were already
shot. Thank goodness it didn't happen after I put the new tires on.
Anyway, I thought this might be a result of the extreme temps we had
over the weekend (107 plus and maybe 140+ in the hanger). I inderstand
that most people replaced the sealant after about five years and it's
been six for me. Does anyone know which sealant is best to use? I know
AircraftSpruce sells a Polysulfide sealant in a 3.5 ounce tube. Are
there any new products that work any better?
I haven't taken the wings off yet but was wondering if there are any
other things I should look for in terms of what caused this leak other
than sealant failure? It appears to be comming from the endcaps at this
point.
Thanks,
Barry Norman
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| Subject: | Re: Tanks leaking |
I agree with Greg also. I never knowingly used ethanol but structural
adhesive just turned to powder around filler neck and outlet line.
Max
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Eubanks
To: pulsar-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Tanks leaking
I believe Greg is right on this one. I had to repair my fuselage tank
due to the structural adhesive simply disappearing. The shape of it was
still there under the sealer but the adhesive was gone. The strange
thing is I had used very little fuel with ethanol in it.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: GREGSMI@aol.com
To: pulsar-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Tanks leaking
Do not use structural adhesive on the fuel tank. The structural
adhesive I tested dissolves in fuel with ethanol. Two things will
happen, the adhesive in solution will get to your filters and carbs and
could partially or fully block fuel flow. And, your tank will leak. None
of that is good.
I can tell exactly what you did from the pictures. That was a
great help. Do you think I could use structure adhesive mixed with flox
instead of the epoxy? The structural adhesive is very strong and I have
plenty of it.
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From: "Jim Fillman" <pilot623@gmail.com>
To: pulsar-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 2:50:54 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Tanks leaking
Barry,
I have lots of information to give about the fix described by Mark
Brown after he saw the problem I had with my tanks. It would be easiest
to give by phone so give me a ring anytime you like. 512.789.5463
Greg,
This topic might be worth 15 minutes at the fly-in.
Jim
Sent from my Android
barrynorman@comcast.net wrote:
Went out to the hanger yesterday to install new main tires and
noticed both tanks had started leaking. One was leaking pretty bad and
the other was noticeable. The ironic thing is the gas ran down the gear
legs and puddled under the tires and ruined the tires that were already
shot. Thank goodness it didn't happen after I put the new tires on.
Anyway, I thought this might be a result of the extreme temps we
had over the weekend (107 plus and maybe 140+ in the hanger). I
inderstand that most people replaced the sealant after about five years
and it's been six for me. Does anyone know which sealant is best to use?
I know AircraftSpruce sells a Polysulfide sealant in a 3.5 ounce tube.
Are there any new products that work any better?
I haven't taken the wings off yet but was wondering if there are
any other things I should look for in terms of what caused this leak
other than sealant failure? It appears to be comming from the endcaps at
this point.
Thanks,
Barry Norman
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Greg,
The tanks were put together with s tructural expoxy (Hysol) from the factor
y. We must be talking about different expoxies.
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: GREGSMI@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 4:59:26 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Tanks leaking
Do not use structural adhesive on the fuel tank. =C2- The structural adhe
sive I tested dissolves in fuel with ethanol. Two things will happen, the a
dhesive in solution will get to your filters and carbs and could partially
or fully block fuel flow. And, your tank will leak. None of that is good.
=C2-
=C2-
I can tell exactly what you did from the pictures. That was a great help. D
o you think I could use structure adhesive mixed with flox instead of the e
poxy? The structural adhesive is very strong and I have plenty of it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Fillman" <pilot623@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 2:50:54 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Tanks leaking
Barry,
I have lots of information to give about the fix described by Mark Brown af
ter he saw the problem I had with my tanks. It would be easiest to give by
phone so give me a ring anytime you like. 512.789.5463
Greg,
This topic might be worth 15 minutes at the fly-in.
Jim
Sent from my Android
barrynorman@comcast.net wrote:
Went out to the hanger yesterday to install new main tires and noticed both
tanks had started leaking. One was leaking pretty bad and the other was no
ticeable. The ironic thing is the gas ran down the gear legs and puddled un
der the tires and ruined the tires that were already shot. Thank goodness i
t didn't happen after I put the new tires on.
=C2-
Anyway, I thought this might be a result of the extreme temps we had over t
he weekend (107 plus and maybe 140+ in the hanger). I inderstand that most
people replaced the sealant after about five years and it's been six for me
. Does anyone know which sealant is best to use? I know AircraftSpruce sell
s a Polysulfide sealant in a 3.5 ounce tube.=C2-Are there any new product
s that work any better?
=C2-
I haven't taken the wings off yet but was wondering if there are any other
things I should look for in terms of what caused this leak other than seala
nt failure? It appears to be comming from the endcaps at this point.
=C2-
Thanks,
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Our EAA 21 Club Fly-Ins now include Saturday Matinee at the Movies, with
free popcorn, in the air-conditioned FBO conference room
We will be preparing Hamburgers, Brats and NATHANS FAMOUS Hot Dogs for
all that fly in.
Just as New York's 21 Club has become known as the HAPPENING PLACE to be
and be seen, EAA 21 Club is the place to be on the first Saturday of
each month.
When: July 7, August 4, September 1, October 6, 2012
10:00 AM till 2:00 PM Central time.
Where: Henderson Kentucky City-County Airport (KEHR)
If KEHR is VFR then we will be cooking the best Gourmet Burgers,
Brats and Dogs this side of Sporty's.
EAA 21 Club is expanding. Watch for the announcement about our new
Third Saturday Fly-Ins at EVV
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Barry, I do not remember what structural adhesive I tested, just know the
results. I would suggest you do some test on your adhesive to make sure. I
do know that adhesive manufactures have changed over the years so could
very well be a different product. Can you still buy Hysol?
In a message dated 7/5/2012 7:46:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
barrynorman@comcast.net writes:
Greg,
The tanks were put together with structural expoxy (Hysol) from the
factory. We must be talking about different expoxies.
Barry
____________________________________
From: GREGSMI@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 4:59:26 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Tanks leaking
Do not use structural adhesive on the fuel tank. The structural adhesive
I tested dissolves in fuel with ethanol. Two things will happen, the
adhesive in solution will get to your filters and carbs and could partiall
y or
fully block fuel flow. And, your tank will leak. None of that is good.
I can tell exactly what you did from the pictures. That was a great help.
Do you think I could use structure adhesive mixed with flox instead of the
epoxy? The structural adhesive is very strong and I have plenty of it.
____________________________________
From: "Jim Fillman" <pilot623@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 2:50:54 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Tanks leaking
Barry,
I have lots of information to give about the fix described by Mark Brown
after he saw the problem I had with my tanks. It would be easiest to give
by
phone so give me a ring anytime you like. 512.789.5463
Greg,
This topic might be worth 15 minutes at the fly-in.
Jim
Sent from my Android
barrynorman@comcast.net wrote:
Went out to the hanger yesterday to install new main tires and noticed
both tanks had started leaking. One was leaking pretty bad and the other wa
s
noticeable. The ironic thing is the gas ran down the gear legs and puddled
under the tires and ruined the tires that were already shot. Thank goodness
it didn't happen after I put the new tires on.
Anyway, I thought this might be a result of the extreme temps we had over
the weekend (107 plus and maybe 140+ in the hanger). I inderstand that most
people replaced the sealant after about five years and it's been six for
me. Does anyone know which sealant is best to use? I know AircraftSpruce
sells a Polysulfide sealant in a 3.5 ounce tube. Are there any new product
s
that work any better?
I haven't taken the wings off yet but was wondering if there are any other
things I should look for in terms of what caused this leak other than
sealant failure? It appears to be comming from the endcaps at this point.
Thanks,
Barry Norman
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