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1. 06:06 AM - Re: Tanks leaking (dougwitkowski@netscape.net)
2. 06:24 AM - Re: Tanks leaking (Gose, Eddie)
3. 06:25 AM - Re: Tanks leaking (barrynorman@comcast.net)
4. 08:01 AM - Re: Tanks leaking (Larry Eubanks)
5. 08:06 AM - Re: Tanks leaking (David Weaver)
6. 08:06 AM - Re: Pulsar flying video (Orv/Lorraine Krohn)
7. 12:33 PM - Re: Tanks leaking (barrynorman@comcast.net)
8. 12:46 PM - Re: Tanks leaking (Larry Eubanks)
9. 03:05 PM - Re: Tanks leaking (pilot623)
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| Subject: | Re: Tanks leaking |
Didn't we use structural epoxy on the header tanks to close out the firewal
l?? And to install the filler cap? Last time I looked (a few years ago), i
t was all still there. Anyone inspect their header tanks lately?
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Eubanks <leubanks@sunflower.com>
Sent: Thu, Jul 5, 2012 4:20 pm
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Tanks leaking
I believe Greg is right on this one. I had to repair my fuselage tank due t
o the structural adhesive simply disappearing. The shape of it was still th
ere under the sealer but the adhesive was gone. The strange thing is I had
used very little fuel with ethanol in it.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: GREGSMI@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Tanks leaking
Do not use structural adhesive on the fuel tank. The structural adhesive I
tested dissolves in fuel with ethanol. Two things will happen, the adhesiv
e in solution will get to your filters and carbs and could partially or ful
ly block fuel flow. And, your tank will leak. None of that is good.
I can tell exactly what you did from the pictures. That was a great help. D
o you think I could use structure adhesive mixed with flox instead of the e
poxy? The structural adhesive is very strong and I have plenty of it.
From: "Jim Fillman" <pilot623@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 2:50:54 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Tanks leaking
Barry,
I have lots of information to give about the fix described by Mark Brown af
ter he saw the problem I had with my tanks. It would be easiest to give by
phone so give me a ring anytime you like. 512.789.5463
Greg,
This topic might be worth 15 minutes at the fly-in.
Jim
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barrynorman@comcast.net wrote:
Went out to the hanger yesterday to install new main tires and noticed both
tanks had started leaking. One was leaking pretty bad and the other was no
ticeable. The ironic thing is the gas ran down the gear legs and puddled un
der the tires and ruined the tires that were already shot. Thank goodness i
t didn't happen after I put the new tires on.
Anyway, I thought this might be a result of the extreme temps we had over t
he weekend (107 plus and maybe 140+ in the hanger). I inderstand that most
people replaced the sealant after about five years and it's been six for me
. Does anyone know which sealant is best to use? I know AircraftSpruce sell
s a Polysulfide sealant in a 3.5 ounce tube. Are there any new products tha
t work any better?
I haven't taken the wings off yet but was wondering if there are any other
things I should look for in terms of what caused this leak other than seala
nt failure? It appears to be comming from the endcaps at this point.
Thanks,
Barry Norman
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| Subject: | Re: Tanks leaking |
I believe the structural epoxy used on the earlier Pulsars were different f
rom Hysol. They still sell Hysol and its supposed to be highly resistant to
fuels (I just looked at the data sheet). It's exactly the same stuff suppl
ied with the kit.=C2- Mine has been exposed to fuel with ethanol in it fo
r years and I have never noticed any problems other than slight shrinkage a
t contact points but that's normal for epoxies as they cure. Never noticed
anything abnormal in filters or while checking fuel. I was planning on coat
ing it with tank sealer as a precaution. I'll do more research and let you
know what I find out.=C2- Thanks for the info.
=C2-
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: GREGSMI@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 11:14:46 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Tanks leaking
Barry, I do not remember what structural adhesive=C2-I tested, just know
the results. I would suggest you do some test on your adhesive=C2-to make
sure. I do know that adhesive manufactures have changed over the years so
could very well be a different product. Can you still buy Hysol?
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=C2-
In a message dated 7/5/2012 7:46:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time, barrynorman
@comcast.net writes:
Greg,
=C2-
The tanks were put together with structural expoxy (Hysol) from the factory
. We must be talking about different expoxies.
=C2-
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: GREGSMI@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 4:59:26 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Tanks leaking
Do not use structural adhesive on the fuel tank. =C2- The structural adhe
sive I tested dissolves in fuel with ethanol. Two things will happen, the a
dhesive in solution will get to your filters and carbs and could partially
or fully block fuel flow. And, your tank will leak. None of that is good.
=C2-
=C2-
<blockquote>
I can tell exactly what you did from the pictures. That was a great help. D
o you think I could use structure adhesive mixed with flox instead of the e
poxy? The structural adhesive is very strong and I have plenty of it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Fillman" <pilot623@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 2:50:54 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Tanks leaking
Barry,
I have lots of information to give about the fix described by Mark Brown af
ter he saw the problem I had with my tanks. It would be easiest to give by
phone so give me a ring anytime you like. 512.789.5463
Greg,
This topic might be worth 15 minutes at the fly-in.
Jim
Sent from my Android
barrynorman@comcast.net wrote:
Went out to the hanger yesterday to install new main tires and noticed both
tanks had started leaking. One was leaking pretty bad and the other was no
ticeable. The ironic thing is the gas ran down the gear legs and puddled un
der the tires and ruined the tires that were already shot. Thank goodness i
t didn't happen after I put the new tires on.
=C2-
Anyway, I thought this might be a result of the extreme temps we had over t
he weekend (107 plus and maybe 140+ in the hanger). I inderstand that most
people replaced the sealant after about five years and it's been six for me
. Does anyone know which sealant is best to use? I know AircraftSpruce sell
s a Polysulfide sealant in a 3.5 ounce tube.=C2-Are there any new product
s that work any better?
=C2-
I haven't taken the wings off yet but was wondering if there are any other
things I should look for in terms of what caused this leak other than seala
nt failure? It appears to be comming from the endcaps at this point.
=C2-
Thanks,
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| Subject: | Re: Tanks leaking |
According to the builders manual for fuselage tanks it was wet micro for
the closeout. I am pretty sure that was epoxy and microballoons. The
structural adhesive was a 1 to 1 mix by volume and was used on the fuel
valve area, the fill cap flange and where the vent went through the
bottom of the tank. All of those went awol in my tank but the closeout
seemed fine. There was some possible confusion too as the pictures just
said micro or micro and glass but the written instructions say
structural adhesive mixed with micro. Some builders may have used epoxy
for this instead by mistake and may have had better luck in the long
run.
The only reference I can find for a description or brand is 9922
structural adhesive. Hexcel still makes one like this and is sold by
Aircraft Spruce.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: dougwitkowski@netscape.net
To: pulsar-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Tanks leaking
Didn't we use structural epoxy on the header tanks to close out the
firewall?? And to install the filler cap? Last time I looked (a few
years ago), it was all still there. Anyone inspect their header tanks
lately?
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| Subject: | Re: Tanks leaking |
Yes I have inspected my header tank lately.=C2- It is a tank that has bee
n a lot of grief until I got the right coating in place.=C2- Now I do not
care what epoxy resin system was used to construct it as it is pointless w
ith the right sealant in place.=C2- I am not going to tear the tank out a
nd start over when the obvious solution is to use the correct sealant.=C2
- I am approaching 300 hours on my 912 UL engine with almost 100%=C2-us
age of=C2-87 octane auto fuel and would not cosider changing...also like
watching others sump their tanks for water!=C2-
Dave Weaver
--- On Fri, 7/6/12, dougwitkowski@netscape.net <dougwitkowski@netscape.net>
wrote:
From: dougwitkowski@netscape.net <dougwitkowski@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Tanks leaking
Didn't we use structural epoxy on the header tanks to close out the firewal
l?? And to install the filler cap?=C2- Last time I looked (a few years ag
o), it was all still there.=C2- Anyone inspect their header tanks lately?
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Eubanks <leubanks@sunflower.com>
Sent: Thu, Jul 5, 2012 4:20 pm
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Tanks leaking
I believe Greg is right on this one. I had to repair my fuselage tank due t
o the structural adhesive simply disappearing. The shape of it was still th
ere under the sealer but the adhesive was gone. The strange thing is I had
used very little fuel with ethanol in it.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: GREGSMI@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Tanks leaking
Do not use structural adhesive on the fuel tank.=C2- The structural adhes
ive I tested dissolves in fuel with ethanol. Two things will happen, the ad
hesive in solution will get to your filters and carbs and could partially o
r fully block fuel flow. And, your tank will leak. None of that is good.
=C2-
=C2-
I can tell exactly what you did from the pictures. That was a great help. D
o you think I could use structure adhesive mixed with flox instead of the e
poxy? The structural adhesive is very strong and I have plenty of it.
From: "Jim Fillman" <pilot623@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 2:50:54 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Tanks leaking
Barry,
I have lots of information to give about the fix described by Mark Brown af
ter he saw the problem I had with my tanks. It would be easiest to give by
phone so give me a ring anytime you like. 512.789.5463
Greg,
This topic might be worth 15 minutes at the fly-in.
Jim
Sent from my Android
barrynorman@comcast.net wrote:
Went out to the hanger yesterday to install new main tires and noticed both
tanks had started leaking. One was leaking pretty bad and the other was no
ticeable. The ironic thing is the gas ran down the gear legs and puddled un
der the tires and ruined the tires that were already shot. Thank goodness i
t didn't happen after I put the new tires on.
=C2-
Anyway, I thought this might be a result of the extreme temps we had over t
he weekend (107 plus and maybe 140+ in the hanger). I inderstand that most
people replaced the sealant after about five years and it's been six for me
. Does anyone know which sealant is best to use? I know AircraftSpruce sell
s a Polysulfide sealant in a 3.5 ounce tube.=C2-Are there any new product
s that work any better?
=C2-
I haven't taken the wings off yet but was wondering if there are any other
things I should look for in terms of what caused this leak other than seala
nt failure? It appears to be comming from the endcaps at this point.
=C2-
Thanks,
Barry Norman
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| Subject: | Pulsar flying video |
Sonja - Great flying video! Thanks for sharing! Will you be video-ing your
trip to Oshkosh this year? If so, please share. Thanks.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pulsar-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pulsar-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
sonja.englert@juno.com
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 11:46 AM
Subject: Pulsar-List: Pulsar flying video
<sonja.englert@juno.com>
Hello All,
I made a small video of flying my Pulsar in the mountains. Take a look at:
http://youtu.be/xgMFGVMpmZ0
Sonja
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Jim,
=C2-
When you were doing this fix for the leaking tanks, did you consider moving
the sump hole and the fuel pickup farther into the wing to give more clear
ance for=C2-a thicker=C2-fillet ?
=C2-
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Fillman" <pilot623@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 4:18:51 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Tanks leaking
I think you could use structural adhesive mixed with flox.
Sent from my Android
barrynorman@comcast.net wrote:
I can tell exactly what you did from the pictures. That was a great help. D
o you think I could use structure adhesive mixed with flox instead of the e
poxy? The structural adhesive is very strong and I have plenty of it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Fillman" <pilot623@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 2:50:54 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Tanks leaking
Barry,
I have lots of information to give about the fix described by Mark Brown af
ter he saw the problem I had with my tanks. It would be easiest to give by
phone so give me a ring anytime you like. 512.789.5463
Greg,
This topic might be worth 15 minutes at the fly-in.
Jim
Sent from my Android
barrynorman@comcast.net wrote:
Went out to the hanger yesterday to install new main tires and noticed both
tanks had started leaking. One was leaking pretty bad and the other was no
ticeable. The ironic thing is the gas ran down the gear legs and puddled un
der the tires and ruined the tires that were already shot. Thank goodness i
t didn't happen after I put the new tires on.
=C2-
Anyway, I thought this might be a result of the extreme temps we had over t
he weekend (107 plus and maybe 140+ in the hanger). I inderstand that most
people replaced the sealant after about five years and it's been six for me
. Does anyone know which sealant is best to use? I know AircraftSpruce sell
s a Polysulfide sealant in a 3.5 ounce tube.=C2-Are there any new product
s that work any better?
=C2-
I haven't taken the wings off yet but was wondering if there are any other
things I should look for in terms of what caused this leak other than seala
nt failure? It appears to be comming from the endcaps at this point.
=C2-
Thanks,
Barry Norman 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
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| Subject: | Re: Tanks leaking |
Dave
I had over 800 hours and thought I was the one with the perfect sealant.
It was this really good flexible Polysulfide sealant, Oh wait isn't
that what you used too? Lets talk in another 500 hours.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: David Weaver
To: pulsar-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Tanks leaking
Yes I have inspected my header tank lately. It is a tank that
has been a lot of grief until I got the right coating in place. Now I
do not care what epoxy resin system was used to construct it as it is
pointless with the right sealant in place. I am not going to tear the
tank out and start over when the obvious solution is to use the correct
sealant. I am approaching 300 hours on my 912 UL engine with almost
100% usage of 87 octane auto fuel and would not cosider changing...also
like watching others sump their tanks for water!
Dave Weaver
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No, I routed out troughs in the fillet for the sump and pickup.
_____
From: owner-pulsar-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pulsar-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
barrynorman@comcast.net
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Tanks leaking
Jim,
When you were doing this fix for the leaking tanks, did you consider
moving the sump hole and the fuel pickup farther into the wing to give
more clearance for a thicker fillet ?
Barry
_____
From: "Jim Fillman" <pilot623@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 4:18:51 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Tanks leaking
I think you could use structural adhesive mixed with flox.
Sent from my Android
barrynorman@comcast.net wrote:
I can tell exactly what you did from the pictures. That was a great
help. Do you think I could use structure adhesive mixed with flox
instead of the epoxy? The structural adhesive is very strong and I have
plenty of it.
_____
From: "Jim Fillman" <pilot623@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 2:50:54 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Tanks leaking
Barry,
I have lots of information to give about the fix described by Mark Brown
after he saw the problem I had with my tanks. It would be easiest to
give by phone so give me a ring anytime you like. 512.789.5463
Greg,
This topic might be worth 15 minutes at the fly-in.
Jim
Sent from my Android
barrynorman@comcast.net wrote:
Went out to the hanger yesterday to install new main tires and noticed
both tanks had started leaking. One was leaking pretty bad and the other
was noticeable. The ironic thing is the gas ran down the gear legs and
puddled under the tires and ruined the tires that were already shot.
Thank goodness it didn't happen after I put the new tires on.
Anyway, I thought this might be a result of the extreme temps we had
over the weekend (107 plus and maybe 140+ in the hanger). I inderstand
that most people replaced the sealant after about five years and it's
been six for me. Does anyone know which sealant is best to use? I know
AircraftSpruce sells a Polysulfide sealant in a 3.5 ounce tube. Are
there any new products that work any better?
I haven't taken the wings off yet but was wondering if there are any
other things I should look for in terms of what caused this leak other
than sealant failure? It appears to be comming from the endcaps at this
point.
Thanks,
Barry Norman
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