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1. 04:58 AM - Re: Re: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions (Bernard Wilder)
2. 06:27 AM - Re: Re: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions (Jim Fillman)
3. 06:46 AM - Re: Re: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions (barrynorman@comcast.net)
4. 07:37 AM - Re: Re: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions (barrynorman@comcast.net)
5. 10:16 AM - Re: Re: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions (HUGH COULTER)
6. 01:28 PM - Re: Re: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions (Brian Anderson)
7. 02:32 PM - Re: Re: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions (Bernard Wilder)
8. 02:35 PM - Re: Re: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions (Bernard Wilder)
9. 02:47 PM - Re: Re: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions (Ray Wilhelm)
10. 03:10 PM - Re: Re: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions (Dennis Adams)
11. 04:24 PM - Re: Re: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions (pilot623)
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| Subject: | Re: RE: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions |
This series I,,II,,III,, or whatever always confused me. Aero Designs sold
a "Pulsar". Then a "Pulsar XP". Then a "Turbo Pulsar".
I have kit number 390- - - a Pulsar XP - with a composite spar fast build
wing kit. I haven't the slighterst idea whether it is a I,, II ,,, III or
whatever. Don't really care. As sold to me, it was and remains a "Pulsar
XP", not a series I,, II,,,or III..
I am away from home right now so I can't refer to my files but I seem to
remember that the gross weight that I was given was less than 1,200 - - - -
around 1,100 something.
I suspect that the records don't exist but the most helpful way to address
the issue of the evolujtion of gross weights would be to do it by kit
number if it is an Aero Designs kit. After that Pulsars could be
identified by a series number given to them by the new owners but to give
Aero Designs produced kits a series number is like putting tits on a boar.
Happy flying to all in whatever it is ! ! ! ! ! !
Bernie Wilder
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 10:27 PM, pilot623 <pilot623@gmail.com> wrote:
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> As one of the few AD Series 2 Pulsar owners, I will add that the Series 2
> carries a max gross weight of 1200 pounds.
>
> Jim
>
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:16 PM
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> *Subject:* [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions
>
>
> All the discussion on Pulsar gross weights got me back into the manuals,
> news letters, and finally discussions with my favorite air craft designer
.
> I know there has been some confusion about this, and if you have a plane
> that was purchased and built in stages, then this can be very confusing.
> So, here is the simple explanation.
>
> Early Pulsar kits had a sitka spruce wood spar. Spar caps of
> unidirectional glass were added to the top and bottom of the spar for
> strength. On the earliest wood spars, the spar caps did not go all the wa
y
> to the wing tip. The gross weight of a Pulsar built with these spars is 8
70
> pounds. Latter in the program, the spar caps were extended to almost the
> wing tip. With that, the gross weight was upped to 900 pounds. 900 pounds
> is the max for the wood spar. This is exactly as stated by Alan Gill for
> Pulsar aircraft in the UK.
>
> Later Pulsars had the composite spar and gross weight was increased to
> 1060 pounds.
>
> Please note, gross weight limitation is solely determined by the spar
> material and spar caps. Composite wing skins and added glass to the spar
> sides does not increase the max gross weight.
>
> I have looked in the Skystar manuals and not found the numbers for their
> aircraft, so will limit my comments to the Aerodesigns kits.
>
> Flying an airplane over it's design limit is like driving a car, with
> smooth tires, at high speed on a wet surface. You may get away with it,
> until you hit a puddle, or in our case, turbulence. Turbulence adds G
> loading, and if you are over design limits, the wing could fail, not a go
od
> situation.
>
> Needless to say, this is a major safety issue, and thus my concern. If yo
u
> have any questions about this, please get back to me and I will try to ge
t
> an answer for you.
>
> Fly safe,
> See you at Oshkosh,
> Greg
> Jabiru 2200 Pulsar
> 1500 hours
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It's also 1200 for the Series III. Not sure if there was any difference in
spar design from the II to the III. I know the S eries III was heavier, min
e came in at 711 with a 912 and a bit heavier for those that had the 914. I
can't fly mine under 1200 pounds gross with full fuel, my wife and I and 6
0 pounds of luggage. That puts it at 1320.
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "pilot623" <pilot623@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:27:23 PM
Subject: Pulsar-List: RE: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions
As one of the few AD Series 2 Pulsar owners, I will add that the Series 2 c
arries a max gross weight of 1200 pounds.
=C2-
Jim
=C2-
From: Pulsar-Aviators@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Pulsar-Aviators@yahoogroups.c
om] On Behalf Of gregsmi@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:16 PM
Subject: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions
=C2-
All the discussion on Pulsar gross weights got me back into the manuals, ne
ws letters, and finally discussions with my favorite air craft designer. I
know there has been some confusion about this, and if you have a plane that
was purchased and built in stages, then this can be very confusing. So, he
re is the simple explanation.
=C2-
Early Pulsar kits had a sitka spruce wood spar. Spar caps of unidirectional
glass=C2-were added to the top and bottom of the spar for strength. On t
he earliest wood spars, the spar caps did not go all the way to the wing ti
p. The gross weight of a Pulsar built with these spars is 870 pounds. Latte
r in the program, the spar caps were extended to almost the wing tip. With
that, the gross weight was upped to 900 pounds. 900 pounds is the max for t
he wood spar. This is exactly as stated by Alan Gill for Pulsar aircraft in
the UK.
=C2-
Later Pulsars had the composite spar and gross weight was increased to 1060
pounds.
=C2-
Please note, gross weight limitation is solely determined by the spar mater
ial and spar caps. Composite wing skins and=C2-added glass to the spar si
des does not increase the max gross weight. =C2-
=C2-
I have looked in the Skystar manuals and not found the numbers for their ai
rcraft, so will limit my comments to the Aerodesigns kits.
=C2-
Flying an airplane over it's design limit is like driving a car, with smoot
h tires,=C2-at high speed on a wet surface. You may get away with it, unt
il you hit a puddle, or in our case, turbulence. Turbulence adds G loading,
and if you are over design limits, the wing could fail, not a good situati
on.
=C2-
Needless to say, this is a major safety issue, and thus my concern. If you
have any questions about this, please get back to me and I will try to get
an answer for you.
=C2-
Fly safe,
See you at Oshkosh,
Greg
Jabiru 2200 Pulsar
1500 hours
All the discussion on Pulsar gross weights got me back into the manuals, ne
ws letters, and finally discussions with my favorite air craft designer. I
know there has been some confusion about this, and if you have a plane that
was purchased and built in stages, then this can be very confusing. So, he
re is the simple explanation.
=C2-
Early Pulsar kits had a sitka spruce wood spar. Spar caps of unidirectional
glass=C2-were added to the top and bottom of the spar for strength. On t
he earliest wood spars, the spar caps did not go all the way to the wing ti
p. The gross weight of a Pulsar built with these spars is 870 pounds. Latte
r in the program, the spar caps were extended to almost the wing tip. With
that, the gross weight was upped to 900 pounds. 900 pounds is the max for t
he wood spar. This is exactly as stated by Alan Gill for Pulsar aircraft in
the UK.
=C2-
Later Pulsars had the composite spar and gross weight was increased to 1060
pounds.
=C2-
Please note, gross weight limitation is solely determined by the spar mater
ial and spar caps. Composite wing skins and=C2-added glass to the spar si
des does not increase the max gross weight. =C2-
=C2-
I have looked in the Skystar manuals and not found the numbers for their ai
rcraft, so will limit my comments to the Aerodesigns kits.
=C2-
Flying an airplane over it's design limit is like driving a car, with smoot
h tires,=C2-at high speed on a wet surface. You may get away with it, unt
il you hit a puddle, or in our case, turbulence. Turbulence adds G loading,
and if you are over design limits, the wing could fail, not a good situati
on.
=C2-
Needless to say, this is a major safety issue, and thus my concern. If you
have any questions about this, please get back to me and I will try to get
an answer for you.
=C2-
Fly safe,
See you at Oshkosh,
Greg
Jabiru 2200 Pulsar
1500 hours
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Series III is also 1200 max gross weight.
Barry=C2-
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From: "pilot623" <pilot623@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:27:23 PM
Subject: Pulsar-List: RE: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions
As one of the few AD Series 2 Pulsar owners, I will add that the Series 2 c
arries a max gross weight of 1200 pounds.
=C2-
Jim
=C2-
From: Pulsar-Aviators@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Pulsar-Aviators@yahoogroups.c
om] On Behalf Of gregsmi@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:16 PM
Subject: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions
=C2-
All the discussion on Pulsar gross weights got me back into the manuals, ne
ws letters, and finally discussions with my favorite air craft designer. I
know there has been some confusion about this, and if you have a plane that
was purchased and built in stages, then this can be very confusing. So, he
re is the simple explanation.
=C2-
Early Pulsar kits had a sitka spruce wood spar. Spar caps of unidirectional
glass=C2-were added to the top and bottom of the spar for strength. On t
he earliest wood spars, the spar caps did not go all the way to the wing ti
p. The gross weight of a Pulsar built with these spars is 870 pounds. Latte
r in the program, the spar caps were extended to almost the wing tip. With
that, the gross weight was upped to 900 pounds. 900 pounds is the max for t
he wood spar. This is exactly as stated by Alan Gill for Pulsar aircraft in
the UK.
=C2-
Later Pulsars had the composite spar and gross weight was increased to 1060
pounds.
=C2-
Please note, gross weight limitation is solely determined by the spar mater
ial and spar caps. Composite wing skins and=C2-added glass to the spar si
des does not increase the max gross weight. =C2-
=C2-
I have looked in the Skystar manuals and not found the numbers for their ai
rcraft, so will limit my comments to the Aerodesigns kits.
=C2-
Flying an airplane over it's design limit is like driving a car, with smoot
h tires,=C2-at high speed on a wet surface. You may get away with it, unt
il you hit a puddle, or in our case, turbulence. Turbulence adds G loading,
and if you are over design limits, the wing could fail, not a good situati
on.
=C2-
Needless to say, this is a major safety issue, and thus my concern. If you
have any questions about this, please get back to me and I will try to get
an answer for you.
=C2-
Fly safe,
See you at Oshkosh,
Greg
Jabiru 2200 Pulsar
1500 hours
All the discussion on Pulsar gross weights got me back into the manuals, ne
ws letters, and finally discussions with my favorite air craft designer. I
know there has been some confusion about this, and if you have a plane that
was purchased and built in stages, then this can be very confusing. So, he
re is the simple explanation.
=C2-
Early Pulsar kits had a sitka spruce wood spar. Spar caps of unidirectional
glass=C2-were added to the top and bottom of the spar for strength. On t
he earliest wood spars, the spar caps did not go all the way to the wing ti
p. The gross weight of a Pulsar built with these spars is 870 pounds. Latte
r in the program, the spar caps were extended to almost the wing tip. With
that, the gross weight was upped to 900 pounds. 900 pounds is the max for t
he wood spar. This is exactly as stated by Alan Gill for Pulsar aircraft in
the UK.
=C2-
Later Pulsars had the composite spar and gross weight was increased to 1060
pounds.
=C2-
Please note, gross weight limitation is solely determined by the spar mater
ial and spar caps. Composite wing skins and=C2-added glass to the spar si
des does not increase the max gross weight. =C2-
=C2-
I have looked in the Skystar manuals and not found the numbers for their ai
rcraft, so will limit my comments to the Aerodesigns kits.
=C2-
Flying an airplane over it's design limit is like driving a car, with smoot
h tires,=C2-at high speed on a wet surface. You may get away with it, unt
il you hit a puddle, or in our case, turbulence. Turbulence adds G loading,
and if you are over design limits, the wing could fail, not a good situati
on.
=C2-
Needless to say, this is a major safety issue, and thus my concern. If you
have any questions about this, please get back to me and I will try to get
an answer for you.
=C2-
Fly safe,
See you at Oshkosh,
Greg
Jabiru 2200 Pulsar
1500 hours
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Berney and all
Your kit is a Pulsar XP, there never was a Series I. Many
started calling the XP a Series I after the Series II and
III came out.
Your gross weight is 1060. I know this because my kit is
452, after yours.
Skystar set the gross for the III at 1200. The II should
be the same.
Clarke
On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 07:50:08 -0400
Bernard Wilder <bernard.wilder2@gmail.com> wrote:
> This series I,,II,,III,, or whatever always confused me.
> Aero Designs sold
> a "Pulsar". Then a "Pulsar XP". Then a "Turbo Pulsar".
>
> I have kit number 390- - - a Pulsar XP - with a
>composite spar fast build
> wing kit. I haven't the slighterst idea whether it is a
>I,, II ,,, III or
> whatever. Don't really care. As sold to me, it was and
> remains a "Pulsar
> XP", not a series I,, II,,,or III..
>
> I am away from home right now so I can't refer to my
>files but I seem to
> remember that the gross weight that I was given was less
>than 1,200 - - - -
> around 1,100 something.
>
> I suspect that the records don't exist but the most
>helpful way to address
> the issue of the evolujtion of gross weights would be to
>do it by kit
> number if it is an Aero Designs kit. After that Pulsars
>could be
> identified by a series number given to them by the new
>owners but to give
> Aero Designs produced kits a series number is like
>putting tits on a boar.
>
> Happy flying to all in whatever it is ! ! ! ! ! !
>
> Bernie Wilder
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 10:27 PM, pilot623
><pilot623@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> **
>> As one of the few AD Series 2 Pulsar owners, I will add
>>that the Series 2
>> carries a max gross weight of 1200 pounds.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Pulsar-Aviators@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
>> Pulsar-Aviators@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of
>>*gregsmi@aol.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:16 PM
>> *To:* Pulsar-Aviators@yahoogroups.com;
>>pulsar-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions
>>
>>
>>
>> All the discussion on Pulsar gross weights got me back
>>into the manuals,
>> news letters, and finally discussions with my favorite
>>air craft designer.
>> I know there has been some confusion about this, and if
>>you have a plane
>> that was purchased and built in stages, then this can be
>>very confusing.
>> So, here is the simple explanation.
>>
>> Early Pulsar kits had a sitka spruce wood spar. Spar
>>caps of
>> unidirectional glass were added to the top and bottom of
>>the spar for
>> strength. On the earliest wood spars, the spar caps did
>>not go all the way
>> to the wing tip. The gross weight of a Pulsar built with
>>these spars is 870
>> pounds. Latter in the program, the spar caps were
>>extended to almost the
>> wing tip. With that, the gross weight was upped to 900
>>pounds. 900 pounds
>> is the max for the wood spar. This is exactly as stated
>>by Alan Gill for
>> Pulsar aircraft in the UK.
>>
>> Later Pulsars had the composite spar and gross weight
>>was increased to
>> 1060 pounds.
>>
>> Please note, gross weight limitation is solely
>>determined by the spar
>> material and spar caps. Composite wing skins and added
>>glass to the spar
>> sides does not increase the max gross weight.
>>
>> I have looked in the Skystar manuals and not found the
>>numbers for their
>> aircraft, so will limit my comments to the Aerodesigns
>>kits.
>>
>> Flying an airplane over it's design limit is like
>>driving a car, with
>> smooth tires, at high speed on a wet surface. You may
>>get away with it,
>> until you hit a puddle, or in our case, turbulence.
>>Turbulence adds G
>> loading, and if you are over design limits, the wing
>>could fail, not a good
>> situation.
>>
>> Needless to say, this is a major safety issue, and thus
>>my concern. If you
>> have any questions about this, please get back to me and
>>I will try to get
>> an answer for you.
>>
>> Fly safe,
>> See you at Oshkosh,
>> Greg
>> Jabiru 2200 Pulsar
>> 1500 hours
>>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions |
Bernie et al,
Mine is kit #456. It was one of the later kits produced by Aero Designs,
designated Pulsar XP, composite spars, composite wing skins, and
supplied in the kit were hydraulic brakes.
The documentation specifies MAUW 1060 lbs.
Brian
On 18/07/2012, at 11:50 PM, Bernard Wilder wrote:
> This series I,,II,,III,, or whatever always confused me. Aero Designs
sold a "Pulsar". Then a "Pulsar XP". Then a "Turbo Pulsar".
>
> I have kit number 390- - - a Pulsar XP - with a composite spar fast
build wing kit. I haven't the slighterst idea whether it is a I,, II ,,,
III or whatever. Don't really care. As sold to me, it was and remains
a "Pulsar XP", not a series I,, II,,,or III..
>
> I am away from home right now so I can't refer to my files but I seem
to remember that the gross weight that I was given was less than 1,200 -
- - - around 1,100 something.
>
> I suspect that the records don't exist but the most helpful way to
address the issue of the evolujtion of gross weights would be to do it
by kit number if it is an Aero Designs kit. After that Pulsars could be
identified by a series number given to them by the new owners but to
give Aero Designs produced kits a series number is like putting tits on
a boar.
>
> Happy flying to all in whatever it is ! ! ! ! ! !
>
> Bernie Wilder
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 10:27 PM, pilot623 <pilot623@gmail.com> wrote:
> As one of the few AD Series 2 Pulsar owners, I will add that the
Series 2 carries a max gross weight of 1200 pounds.
>
> Jim
>
>
> From: Pulsar-Aviators@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Pulsar-Aviators@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gregsmi@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:16 PM
> To: Pulsar-Aviators@yahoogroups.com; pulsar-list@matronics.com
> Subject: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions
>
>
>
> All the discussion on Pulsar gross weights got me back into the
manuals, news letters, and finally discussions with my favorite air
craft designer. I know there has been some confusion about this, and if
you have a plane that was purchased and built in stages, then this can
be very confusing. So, here is the simple explanation.
>
> Early Pulsar kits had a sitka spruce wood spar. Spar caps of
unidirectional glass were added to the top and bottom of the spar for
strength. On the earliest wood spars, the spar caps did not go all the
way to the wing tip. The gross weight of a Pulsar built with these spars
is 870 pounds. Latter in the program, the spar caps were extended to
almost the wing tip. With that, the gross weight was upped to 900
pounds. 900 pounds is the max for the wood spar. This is exactly as
stated by Alan Gill for Pulsar aircraft in the UK.
>
> Later Pulsars had the composite spar and gross weight was increased to
1060 pounds.
>
> Please note, gross weight limitation is solely determined by the spar
material and spar caps. Composite wing skins and added glass to the spar
sides does not increase the max gross weight.
>
> I have looked in the Skystar manuals and not found the numbers for
their aircraft, so will limit my comments to the Aerodesigns kits.
>
> Flying an airplane over it's design limit is like driving a car, with
smooth tires, at high speed on a wet surface. You may get away with it,
until you hit a puddle, or in our case, turbulence. Turbulence adds G
loading, and if you are over design limits, the wing could fail, not a
good situation.
>
> Needless to say, this is a major safety issue, and thus my concern. If
you have any questions about this, please get back to me and I will try
to get an answer for you.
>
> Fly safe,
> See you at Oshkosh,
> Greg
> Jabiru 2200 Pulsar
> 1500 hours
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions |
Jim,
Doesn't your plane have the cooling intakes in the wings ? ? ? ? ?
I thought that was a Sky Star innovation.
Now II am really confused.
Bernie Wilder
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Jim Fillman <pilot623@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Bernie ,
>
> The various designations have always confused me but my kit from AD was
> definitely billed as a Series 2. The AD turbo pulsar demomstrator was a
> Series 2 with a 914.
>
> Jim
> Sent from my Android
>
>
> Bernard Wilder <bernard.wilder2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This series I,,II,,III,, or whatever always confused me. Aero Designs
> sold a "Pulsar". Then a "Pulsar XP". Then a "Turbo Pulsar".
>
> I have kit number 390- - - a Pulsar XP - with a composite spar fast build
> wing kit. I haven't the slighterst idea whether it is a I,, II ,,, III o
r
> whatever. Don't really care. As sold to me, it was and remains a "Pulsar
> XP", not a series I,, II,,,or III..
>
> I am away from home right now so I can't refer to my files but I seem to
> remember that the gross weight that I was given was less than 1,200 - - -
-
> around 1,100 something.
>
> I suspect that the records don't exist but the most helpful way to addres
s
> the issue of the evolujtion of gross weights would be to do it by kit
> number if it is an Aero Designs kit. After that Pulsars could be
> identified by a series number given to them by the new owners but to giv
e
> Aero Designs produced kits a series number is like putting tits on a boar
.
>
> Happy flying to all in whatever it is ! ! ! ! ! !
>
> Bernie Wilder
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 10:27 PM, pilot623 <pilot623@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> **
>> As one of the few AD Series 2 Pulsar owners, I will add that the Series
>> 2 carries a max gross weight of 1200 pounds.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Pulsar-Aviators@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
>> Pulsar-Aviators@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *gregsmi@aol.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:16 PM
>> *To:* Pulsar-Aviators@yahoogroups.com; pulsar-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions
>>
>>
>>
>> All the discussion on Pulsar gross weights got me back into the manuals,
>> news letters, and finally discussions with my favorite air craft designe
r.
>> I know there has been some confusion about this, and if you have a plane
>> that was purchased and built in stages, then this can be very confusing.
>> So, here is the simple explanation.
>>
>> Early Pulsar kits had a sitka spruce wood spar. Spar caps of
>> unidirectional glass were added to the top and bottom of the spar for
>> strength. On the earliest wood spars, the spar caps did not go all the w
ay
>> to the wing tip. The gross weight of a Pulsar built with these spars is
870
>> pounds. Latter in the program, the spar caps were extended to almost the
>> wing tip. With that, the gross weight was upped to 900 pounds. 900 pound
s
>> is the max for the wood spar. This is exactly as stated by Alan Gill for
>> Pulsar aircraft in the UK.
>>
>> Later Pulsars had the composite spar and gross weight was increased to
>> 1060 pounds.
>>
>> Please note, gross weight limitation is solely determined by the spar
>> material and spar caps. Composite wing skins and added glass to the spar
>> sides does not increase the max gross weight.
>>
>> I have looked in the Skystar manuals and not found the numbers for their
>> aircraft, so will limit my comments to the Aerodesigns kits.
>>
>> Flying an airplane over it's design limit is like driving a car, with
>> smooth tires, at high speed on a wet surface. You may get away with it,
>> until you hit a puddle, or in our case, turbulence. Turbulence adds G
>> loading, and if you are over design limits, the wing could fail, not a g
ood
>> situation.
>>
>> Needless to say, this is a major safety issue, and thus my concern. If
>> you have any questions about this, please get back to me and I will try
to
>> get an answer for you.
>>
>> Fly safe,
>> See you at Oshkosh,
>> Greg
>> Jabiru 2200 Pulsar
>> 1500 hours
>>
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Barry,
Who did you buy your kit from ? ? ? ? ? Aero Designs or Sky Star.
Did antbody buy a kit from Soley ? ? ? ? ? ?
Bernie Wilder
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 9:45 AM, <barrynorman@comcast.net> wrote:
> It's also 1200 for the Series III. Not sure if there was any difference
> in spar design from the II to the III. I know the Series III was heavier,
> mine came in at 711 with a 912 and a bit heavier for those that had the
> 914. I can't fly mine under 1200 pounds gross with full fuel, my wife and
I
> and 60 pounds of luggage. That puts it at 1320.
>
>
> Barry
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From: *"pilot623" <pilot623@gmail.com>
> *To: *Pulsar-Aviators@yahoogroups.com, pulsar-list@matronics.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:27:23 PM
> *Subject: *Pulsar-List: RE: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions
>
> As one of the few AD Series 2 Pulsar owners, I will add that the Series
> 2 carries a max gross weight of 1200 pounds.
>
> Jim
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Pulsar-Aviators@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
> Pulsar-Aviators@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *gregsmi@aol.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:16 PM
> *To:* Pulsar-Aviators@yahoogroups.com; pulsar-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions
>
>
> All the discussion on Pulsar gross weights got me back into the manuals,
> news letters, and finally discussions with my favorite air craft designer
.
> I know there has been some confusion about this, and if you have a plane
> that was purchased and built in stages, then this can be very confusing.
> So, here is the simple explanation.
>
> Early Pulsar kits had a sitka spruce wood spar. Spar caps of
> unidirectional glass were added to the top and bottom of the spar for
> strength. On the earliest wood spars, the spar caps did not go all the wa
y
> to the wing tip. The gross weight of a Pulsar built with these spars is 8
70
> pounds. Latter in the program, the spar caps were extended to almost the
> wing tip. With that, the gross weight was upped to 900 pounds. 900 pounds
> is the max for the wood spar. This is exactly as stated by Alan Gill for
> Pulsar aircraft in the UK.
>
> Later Pulsars had the composite spar and gross weight was increased to
> 1060 pounds.
>
> Please note, gross weight limitation is solely determined by the spar
> material and spar caps. Composite wing skins and added glass to the spar
> sides does not increase the max gross weight.
>
> I have looked in the Skystar manuals and not found the numbers for their
> aircraft, so will limit my comments to the Aerodesigns kits.
>
> Flying an airplane over it's design limit is like driving a car, with
> smooth tires, at high speed on a wet surface. You may get away with it,
> until you hit a puddle, or in our case, turbulence. Turbulence adds G
> loading, and if you are over design limits, the wing could fail, not a go
od
> situation.
>
> Needless to say, this is a major safety issue, and thus my concern. If yo
u
> have any questions about this, please get back to me and I will try to ge
t
> an answer for you.
>
> Fly safe,
> See you at Oshkosh,
> Greg
> Jabiru 2200 Pulsar
> 1500 hours
>
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They III has the cooler intakes at the wing roots only if you installed a
Rotax.
Ray Pulsar III/JAB3300
From: owner-pulsar-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pulsar-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Wilder
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: RE: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions
Jim,
Doesn't your plane have the cooling intakes in the wings ? ? ? ? ?
I thought that was a Sky Star innovation.
Now II am really confused.
Bernie Wilder
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Jim Fillman <pilot623@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Bernie ,
The various designations have always confused me but my kit from AD was
definitely billed as a Series 2. The AD turbo pulsar demomstrator was a
Series 2 with a 914.
Jim
Sent from my Android
Bernard Wilder <bernard.wilder2@gmail.com> wrote:
This series I,,II,,III,, or whatever always confused me. Aero Designs sold
a "Pulsar". Then a "Pulsar XP". Then a "Turbo Pulsar".
I have kit number 390- - - a Pulsar XP - with a composite spar fast build
wing kit. I haven't the slighterst idea whether it is a I,, II ,,, III or
whatever. Don't really care. As sold to me, it was and remains a "Pulsar
XP", not a series I,, II,,,or III..
I am away from home right now so I can't refer to my files but I seem to
remember that the gross weight that I was given was less than 1,200 - - - -
around 1,100 something.
I suspect that the records don't exist but the most helpful way to address
the issue of the evolujtion of gross weights would be to do it by kit number
if it is an Aero Designs kit. After that Pulsars could be identified by a
series number given to them by the new owners but to give Aero Designs
produced kits a series number is like putting tits on a boar.
Happy flying to all in whatever it is ! ! ! ! ! !
Bernie Wilder
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 10:27 PM, pilot623 <pilot623@gmail.com> wrote:
As one of the few AD Series 2 Pulsar owners, I will add that the Series 2
carries a max gross weight of 1200 pounds.
Jim
_____
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[mailto:Pulsar-Aviators@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gregsmi@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:16 PM
Subject: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions
All the discussion on Pulsar gross weights got me back into the manuals,
news letters, and finally discussions with my favorite air craft designer. I
know there has been some confusion about this, and if you have a plane that
was purchased and built in stages, then this can be very confusing. So, here
is the simple explanation.
Early Pulsar kits had a sitka spruce wood spar. Spar caps of unidirectional
glass were added to the top and bottom of the spar for strength. On the
earliest wood spars, the spar caps did not go all the way to the wing tip.
The gross weight of a Pulsar built with these spars is 870 pounds. Latter in
the program, the spar caps were extended to almost the wing tip. With that,
the gross weight was upped to 900 pounds. 900 pounds is the max for the wood
spar. This is exactly as stated by Alan Gill for Pulsar aircraft in the UK.
Later Pulsars had the composite spar and gross weight was increased to 1060
pounds.
Please note, gross weight limitation is solely determined by the spar
material and spar caps. Composite wing skins and added glass to the spar
sides does not increase the max gross weight.
I have looked in the Skystar manuals and not found the numbers for their
aircraft, so will limit my comments to the Aerodesigns kits.
Flying an airplane over it's design limit is like driving a car, with smooth
tires, at high speed on a wet surface. You may get away with it, until you
hit a puddle, or in our case, turbulence. Turbulence adds G loading, and if
you are over design limits, the wing could fail, not a good situation.
Needless to say, this is a major safety issue, and thus my concern. If you
have any questions about this, please get back to me and I will try to get
an answer for you.
Fly safe,
See you at Oshkosh,
Greg
Jabiru 2200 Pulsar
1500 hours
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| Subject: | Re: RE: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions |
Brian,
My kit is an XP number 464 and has the same 1060 load limit. I believe
this is one of the very last AD Pulsars shipped.
Dennis
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Brian Anderson <briana@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> Bernie et al,
>
> Mine is kit #456. It was one of the later kits produced by Aero Designs,
> designated Pulsar XP, composite spars, composite wing skins, and supplied
> in the kit were hydraulic brakes.
>
> The documentation specifies MAUW 1060 lbs.
>
> Brian
>
>
> On 18/07/2012, at 11:50 PM, Bernard Wilder wrote:
>
> This series I,,II,,III,, or whatever always confused me. Aero Designs
> sold a "Pulsar". Then a "Pulsar XP". Then a "Turbo Pulsar".
>
> I have kit number 390- - - a Pulsar XP - with a composite spar fast build
> wing kit. I haven't the slighterst idea whether it is a I,, II ,,, III o
r
> whatever. Don't really care. As sold to me, it was and remains a "Pulsar
> XP", not a series I,, II,,,or III..
>
> I am away from home right now so I can't refer to my files but I seem to
> remember that the gross weight that I was given was less than 1,200 - - -
-
> around 1,100 something.
>
> I suspect that the records don't exist but the most helpful way to addres
s
> the issue of the evolujtion of gross weights would be to do it by kit
> number if it is an Aero Designs kit. After that Pulsars could be
> identified by a series number given to them by the new owners but to giv
e
> Aero Designs produced kits a series number is like putting tits on a boar
.
>
> Happy flying to all in whatever it is ! ! ! ! ! !
>
> Bernie Wilder
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 10:27 PM, pilot623 <pilot623@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> **
>> As one of the few AD Series 2 Pulsar owners, I will add that the Series
2
>> carries a max gross weight of 1200 pounds.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Pulsar-Aviators@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
>> Pulsar-Aviators@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *gregsmi@aol.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:16 PM
>> *To:* Pulsar-Aviators@yahoogroups.com; pulsar-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions
>>
>>
>>
>> All the discussion on Pulsar gross weights got me back into the manuals,
>> news letters, and finally discussions with my favorite air craft designe
r.
>> I know there has been some confusion about this, and if you have a plane
>> that was purchased and built in stages, then this can be very confusing.
>> So, here is the simple explanation.
>>
>> Early Pulsar kits had a sitka spruce wood spar. Spar caps of
>> unidirectional glass were added to the top and bottom of the spar for
>> strength. On the earliest wood spars, the spar caps did not go all the w
ay
>> to the wing tip. The gross weight of a Pulsar built with these spars is
870
>> pounds. Latter in the program, the spar caps were extended to almost the
>> wing tip. With that, the gross weight was upped to 900 pounds. 900 pound
s
>> is the max for the wood spar. This is exactly as stated by Alan Gill for
>> Pulsar aircraft in the UK.
>>
>> Later Pulsars had the composite spar and gross weight was increased to
>> 1060 pounds.
>>
>> Please note, gross weight limitation is solely determined by the spar
>> material and spar caps. Composite wing skins and added glass to the spar
>> sides does not increase the max gross weight.
>>
>> I have looked in the Skystar manuals and not found the numbers for their
>> aircraft, so will limit my comments to the Aerodesigns kits.
>>
>> Flying an airplane over it's design limit is like driving a car, with
>> smooth tires, at high speed on a wet surface. You may get away with it,
>> until you hit a puddle, or in our case, turbulence. Turbulence adds G
>> loading, and if you are over design limits, the wing could fail, not a g
ood
>> situation.
>>
>> Needless to say, this is a major safety issue, and thus my concern. If
>> you have any questions about this, please get back to me and I will try
to
>> get an answer for you.
>>
>> Fly safe,
>> See you at Oshkosh,
>> Greg
>> Jabiru 2200 Pulsar
>> 1500 hours
>>
>>
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| Subject: | RE: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions |
You have a very good memory. I incorporated several Skystar Series 3
improvements into my AD Series 2 including the wing root air inlets and I
used a Skystar FWF package. That's why I often refer to my plane as a Series
2.75.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-pulsar-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Wilder
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: RE: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions
Jim,
Doesn't your plane have the cooling intakes in the wings ? ? ? ? ?
I thought that was a Sky Star innovation.
Now II am really confused.
Bernie Wilder
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Jim Fillman <pilot623@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Bernie ,
The various designations have always confused me but my kit from AD was
definitely billed as a Series 2. The AD turbo pulsar demomstrator was a
Series 2 with a 914.
Jim
Sent from my Android
Bernard Wilder <bernard.wilder2@gmail.com> wrote:
This series I,,II,,III,, or whatever always confused me. Aero Designs sold
a "Pulsar". Then a "Pulsar XP". Then a "Turbo Pulsar".
I have kit number 390- - - a Pulsar XP - with a composite spar fast build
wing kit. I haven't the slighterst idea whether it is a I,, II ,,, III or
whatever. Don't really care. As sold to me, it was and remains a "Pulsar
XP", not a series I,, II,,,or III..
I am away from home right now so I can't refer to my files but I seem to
remember that the gross weight that I was given was less than 1,200 - - - -
around 1,100 something.
I suspect that the records don't exist but the most helpful way to address
the issue of the evolujtion of gross weights would be to do it by kit number
if it is an Aero Designs kit. After that Pulsars could be identified by a
series number given to them by the new owners but to give Aero Designs
produced kits a series number is like putting tits on a boar.
Happy flying to all in whatever it is ! ! ! ! ! !
Bernie Wilder
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 10:27 PM, pilot623 <pilot623@gmail.com> wrote:
As one of the few AD Series 2 Pulsar owners, I will add that the Series 2
carries a max gross weight of 1200 pounds.
Jim
_____
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[mailto:Pulsar-Aviators@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gregsmi@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:16 PM
Subject: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions
All the discussion on Pulsar gross weights got me back into the manuals,
news letters, and finally discussions with my favorite air craft designer. I
know there has been some confusion about this, and if you have a plane that
was purchased and built in stages, then this can be very confusing. So, here
is the simple explanation.
Early Pulsar kits had a sitka spruce wood spar. Spar caps of unidirectional
glass were added to the top and bottom of the spar for strength. On the
earliest wood spars, the spar caps did not go all the way to the wing tip.
The gross weight of a Pulsar built with these spars is 870 pounds. Latter in
the program, the spar caps were extended to almost the wing tip. With that,
the gross weight was upped to 900 pounds. 900 pounds is the max for the wood
spar. This is exactly as stated by Alan Gill for Pulsar aircraft in the UK.
Later Pulsars had the composite spar and gross weight was increased to 1060
pounds.
Please note, gross weight limitation is solely determined by the spar
material and spar caps. Composite wing skins and added glass to the spar
sides does not increase the max gross weight.
I have looked in the Skystar manuals and not found the numbers for their
aircraft, so will limit my comments to the Aerodesigns kits.
Flying an airplane over it's design limit is like driving a car, with smooth
tires, at high speed on a wet surface. You may get away with it, until you
hit a puddle, or in our case, turbulence. Turbulence adds G loading, and if
you are over design limits, the wing could fail, not a good situation.
Needless to say, this is a major safety issue, and thus my concern. If you
have any questions about this, please get back to me and I will try to get
an answer for you.
Fly safe,
See you at Oshkosh,
Greg
Jabiru 2200 Pulsar
1500 hours
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