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My kit came from Skystar, kit number 563.
Barry
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From: "Bernard Wilder" <bernard.wilder2@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 5:32:59 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: RE: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions
Barry,
Who did you buy your kit from ? ? ? ? ? Aero Designs or Sky Star.
=C2-
Did antbody buy a kit from Soley ? ? ? ? ? ?
=C2-
Bernie Wilder
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 9:45 AM, < barrynorman@comcast.net > wrote:
It's also 1200 for the Series III. Not sure if there was any difference in
spar design from the II to the III. I know the Series III was heavier, mine
came in at 711 with a 912 and a bit heavier for those that had the 914. I
can't fly mine under 1200 pounds gross with full fuel, my wife and I and 60
pounds of luggage. That puts it at 1320.
=C2-
Barry
From: "pilot623" < pilot623@gmail.com >
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:27:23 PM
Subject: Pulsar-List: RE: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions
As one of the few AD Series 2 Pulsar owners, I will add that the Series 2 c
arries a max gross weight of 1200 pounds.
=C2-
Jim
=C2-
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From: Pulsar-Aviators@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Pulsar-Aviators@yahoogroups.
com ] On Behalf Of gregsmi@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:16 PM
Subject: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions
=C2-
All the discussion on Pulsar gross weights got me back into the manuals, ne
ws letters, and finally discussions with my favorite air craft designer. I
know there has been some confusion about this, and if you have a plane that
was purchased and built in stages, then this can be very confusing. So, he
re is the simple explanation.
=C2-
Early Pulsar kits had a sitka spruce wood spar. Spar caps of unidirectional
glass=C2-were added to the top and bottom of the spar for strength. On t
he earliest wood spars, the spar caps did not go all the way to the wing ti
p. The gross weight of a Pulsar built with these spars is 870 pounds. Latte
r in the program, the spar caps were extended to almost the wing tip. With
that, the gross weight was upped to 900 pounds. 900 pounds is the max for t
he wood spar. This is exactly as stated by Alan Gill for Pulsar aircraft in
the UK.
=C2-
Later Pulsars had the composite spar and gross weight was increased to 1060
pounds.
=C2-
Please note, gross weight limitation is solely determined by the spar mater
ial and spar caps. Composite wing skins and=C2-added glass to the spar si
des does not increase the max gross weight. =C2-
=C2-
I have looked in the Skystar manuals and not found the numbers for their ai
rcraft, so will limit my comments to the Aerodesigns kits.
=C2-
Flying an airplane over it's design limit is like driving a car, with smoot
h tires,=C2-at high speed on a wet surface. You may get away with it, unt
il you hit a puddle, or in our case, turbulence. Turbulence adds G loading,
and if you are over design limits, the wing could fail, not a good situati
on.
=C2-
Needless to say, this is a major safety issue, and thus my concern. If you
have any questions about this, please get back to me and I will try to get
an answer for you.
=C2-
Fly safe,
See you at Oshkosh,
Greg
Jabiru 2200 Pulsar
1500 hours
All the discussion on Pulsar gross weights got me back into the manuals, ne
ws letters, and finally discussions with my favorite air craft designer. I
know there has been some confusion about this, and if you have a plane that
was purchased and built in stages, then this can be very confusing. So, he
re is the simple explanation.
=C2-
Early Pulsar kits had a sitka spruce wood spar. Spar caps of unidirectional
glass=C2-were added to the top and bottom of the spar for strength. On t
he earliest wood spars, the spar caps did not go all the way to the wing ti
p. The gross weight of a Pulsar built with these spars is 870 pounds. Latte
r in the program, the spar caps were extended to almost the wing tip. With
that, the gross weight was upped to 900 pounds. 900 pounds is the max for t
he wood spar. This is exactly as stated by Alan Gill for Pulsar aircraft in
the UK.
=C2-
Later Pulsars had the composite spar and gross weight was increased to 1060
pounds.
=C2-
Please note, gross weight limitation is solely determined by the spar mater
ial and spar caps. Composite wing skins and=C2-added glass to the spar si
des does not increase the max gross weight. =C2-
=C2-
I have looked in the Skystar manuals and not found the numbers for their ai
rcraft, so will limit my comments to the Aerodesigns kits.
=C2-
Flying an airplane over it's design limit is like driving a car, with smoot
h tires,=C2-at high speed on a wet surface. You may get away with it, unt
il you hit a puddle, or in our case, turbulence. Turbulence adds G loading,
and if you are over design limits, the wing could fail, not a good situati
on.
=C2-
Needless to say, this is a major safety issue, and thus my concern. If you
have any questions about this, please get back to me and I will try to get
an answer for you.
=C2-
Fly safe,
See you at Oshkosh,
Greg
Jabiru 2200 Pulsar
1500 hours
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I got another update on the series II. Bob Bye has s/n 505. Gross is 1200.
He says the vertical tail is 6 inches longer than the series I. It also has
the removable bottom cowl and larger wing tanks. But, as noted
by others, the empty weight is 630 pounds. Bob has installed a Jabiru 2200
and loves it, has over 200 hours of flying fun.
Greg
In a message dated 7/18/2012 6:25:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
pilot623@gmail.com writes:
You have a very good memory. I incorporated several Skystar Series 3
improvements into my AD Series 2 including the wing root air inlets and I
used a
Skystar FWF package. That's why I often refer to my plane as a Series 2.75
.
Jim
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Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: RE: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions
Jim,
Doesn't your plane have the cooling intakes in the wings ? ? ? ? ?
I thought that was a Sky Star innovation.
Now II am really confused.
Bernie Wilder
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Jim Fillman <_pilot623@gmail.com_
(mailto:pilot623@gmail.com) > wrote:
Hi Bernie ,
The various designations have always confused me but my kit from AD was
definitely billed as a Series 2. The AD turbo pulsar demomstrator was a
Series 2 with a 914.
Jim
Sent from my Android
Bernard Wilder <_bernard.wilder2@gmail.com_
(mailto:bernard.wilder2@gmail.com) > wrote:
This series I,,II,,III,, or whatever always confused me. Aero Designs
sold a "Pulsar". Then a "Pulsar XP". Then a "Turbo Pulsar".
I have kit number 390- - - a Pulsar XP - with a composite spar fast build
wing kit. I haven't the slighterst idea whether it is a I,, II ,,, III or
whatever. Don't really care. As sold to me, it was and remains a "Pulsar
XP", not a series I,, II,,,or III..
I am away from home right now so I can't refer to my files but I seem to
remember that the gross weight that I was given was less than 1,200 - - -
-
around 1,100 something.
I suspect that the records don't exist but the most helpful way to address
the issue of the evolujtion of gross weights would be to do it by kit
number if it is an Aero Designs kit. After that Pulsars could be identifi
ed by
a series number given to them by the new owners but to give Aero Designs
produced kits a series number is like putting tits on a boar.
Happy flying to all in whatever it is ! ! ! ! ! !
Bernie Wilder
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 10:27 PM, pilot623 <_pilot623@gmail.com_
(mailto:pilot623@gmail.com) > wrote:
As one of the few AD Series 2 Pulsar owners, I will add that the Series 2
carries a max gross weight of 1200 pounds.
Jim
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Subject: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions
All the discussion on Pulsar gross weights got me back into the manuals,
news letters, and finally discussions with my favorite air craft designer.
I
know there has been some confusion about this, and if you have a plane
that was purchased and built in stages, then this can be very confusing. S
o,
here is the simple explanation.
Early Pulsar kits had a sitka spruce wood spar. Spar caps of
unidirectional glass were added to the top and bottom of the spar for stre
ngth. On the
earliest wood spars, the spar caps did not go all the way to the wing tip.
The gross weight of a Pulsar built with these spars is 870 pounds. Latter
in
the program, the spar caps were extended to almost the wing tip. With
that, the gross weight was upped to 900 pounds. 900 pounds is the max for
the
wood spar. This is exactly as stated by Alan Gill for Pulsar aircraft in t
he
UK.
Later Pulsars had the composite spar and gross weight was increased to
1060 pounds.
Please note, gross weight limitation is solely determined by the spar
material and spar caps. Composite wing skins and added glass to the spar s
ides
does not increase the max gross weight.
I have looked in the Skystar manuals and not found the numbers for their
aircraft, so will limit my comments to the Aerodesigns kits.
Flying an airplane over it's design limit is like driving a car, with
smooth tires, at high speed on a wet surface. You may get away with it, un
til
you hit a puddle, or in our case, turbulence. Turbulence adds G loading, a
nd
if you are over design limits, the wing could fail, not a good situation.
Needless to say, this is a major safety issue, and thus my concern. If you
have any questions about this, please get back to me and I will try to get
an answer for you.
Fly safe,
See you at Oshkosh,
Greg
Jabiru 2200 Pulsar
1500 hours
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We are headed to Oshkosh. We already have a camp spot saved, the same place
we camped last year. The private camp ground is across Knapp street from
the ultralight red barn. We will have the big blue and white motor home
parked against the fence that separates camp Scholler from the private camp
ground. This is the south fence of camp Scholler, close to the John Deere
trolley maintenance facility. Exit the ultralight area at the red barn and walk
west to Knapp st. Turn right and walk north up Knapp st. to the private
camp ground entrance, on the West side of the road. After entering the camp
ground, walk north to the fence, then follow the fence west to our site.
We will host a Pulsar meeting Friday, July 27, starting right after the air
show. Hot dogs, chips, and drinks will be on hand, plus lots of airplane
talk. Please stop by, we are looking forward to seeing everyone.
If you need help finding us, give us a call at 210-639-5764.
Let me know if you are coming so we can be looking for you.
See you there,
Greg
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I got the kit right after Bob, S/N 506
Jim
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Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: RE: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions
I got another update on the series II. Bob Bye has s/n 505. Gross is 1200.
He says the vertical tail is 6 inches longer than the series I. It also has
the removable bottom cowl and larger wing tanks. But, as noted
by others, the empty weight is 630 pounds. Bob has installed a Jabiru 2200
and loves it, has over 200 hours of flying fun.
Greg
In a message dated 7/18/2012 6:25:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
pilot623@gmail.com writes:
You have a very good memory. I incorporated several Skystar Series 3
improvements into my AD Series 2 including the wing root air inlets and I
used a Skystar FWF package. That's why I often refer to my plane as a Series
2.75.
Jim
_____
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[mailto:owner-pulsar-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Wilder
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: RE: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions
Jim,
Doesn't your plane have the cooling intakes in the wings ? ? ? ? ?
I thought that was a Sky Star innovation.
Now II am really confused.
Bernie Wilder
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Jim Fillman <pilot623@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Bernie ,
The various designations have always confused me but my kit from AD was
definitely billed as a Series 2. The AD turbo pulsar demomstrator was a
Series 2 with a 914.
Jim
Sent from my Android
Bernard Wilder <bernard.wilder2@gmail.com> wrote:
This series I,,II,,III,, or whatever always confused me. Aero Designs sold
a "Pulsar". Then a "Pulsar XP". Then a "Turbo Pulsar".
I have kit number 390- - - a Pulsar XP - with a composite spar fast build
wing kit. I haven't the slighterst idea whether it is a I,, II ,,, III or
whatever. Don't really care. As sold to me, it was and remains a "Pulsar
XP", not a series I,, II,,,or III..
I am away from home right now so I can't refer to my files but I seem to
remember that the gross weight that I was given was less than 1,200 - - - -
around 1,100 something.
I suspect that the records don't exist but the most helpful way to address
the issue of the evolujtion of gross weights would be to do it by kit number
if it is an Aero Designs kit. After that Pulsars could be identified by a
series number given to them by the new owners but to give Aero Designs
produced kits a series number is like putting tits on a boar.
Happy flying to all in whatever it is ! ! ! ! ! !
Bernie Wilder
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 10:27 PM, pilot623 <pilot623@gmail.com> wrote:
As one of the few AD Series 2 Pulsar owners, I will add that the Series 2
carries a max gross weight of 1200 pounds.
Jim
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Subject: [Pulsar-Aviators] Pulsar weight restrictions
All the discussion on Pulsar gross weights got me back into the manuals,
news letters, and finally discussions with my favorite air craft designer. I
know there has been some confusion about this, and if you have a plane that
was purchased and built in stages, then this can be very confusing. So, here
is the simple explanation.
Early Pulsar kits had a sitka spruce wood spar. Spar caps of unidirectional
glass were added to the top and bottom of the spar for strength. On the
earliest wood spars, the spar caps did not go all the way to the wing tip.
The gross weight of a Pulsar built with these spars is 870 pounds. Latter in
the program, the spar caps were extended to almost the wing tip. With that,
the gross weight was upped to 900 pounds. 900 pounds is the max for the wood
spar. This is exactly as stated by Alan Gill for Pulsar aircraft in the UK.
Later Pulsars had the composite spar and gross weight was increased to 1060
pounds.
Please note, gross weight limitation is solely determined by the spar
material and spar caps. Composite wing skins and added glass to the spar
sides does not increase the max gross weight.
I have looked in the Skystar manuals and not found the numbers for their
aircraft, so will limit my comments to the Aerodesigns kits.
Flying an airplane over it's design limit is like driving a car, with smooth
tires, at high speed on a wet surface. You may get away with it, until you
hit a puddle, or in our case, turbulence. Turbulence adds G loading, and if
you are over design limits, the wing could fail, not a good situation.
Needless to say, this is a major safety issue, and thus my concern. If you
have any questions about this, please get back to me and I will try to get
an answer for you.
Fly safe,
See you at Oshkosh,
Greg
Jabiru 2200 Pulsar
1500 hours
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