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1. 12:54 PM - Strong Smelling Cockpit Remedy? (triumphrider)
2. 02:22 PM - Re: Strong Smelling Cockpit Remedy? (Brian Anderson)
3. 05:06 PM - Re: Strong Smelling Cockpit Remedy? (Esa Lehto)
4. 05:28 PM - Re: Strong Smelling Cockpit Remedy? (pulsar331@sbcglobal.net)
5. 05:55 PM - Re: Strong Smelling Cockpit Remedy? (Keith Palmer)
6. 06:18 PM - Re: Strong Smelling Cockpit Remedy? (Brian Anderson)
7. 06:41 PM - Re: Strong Smelling Cockpit Remedy? (Keith Palmer)
8. 06:44 PM - Re: Strong Smelling Cockpit Remedy? (Brian Anderson)
9. 10:14 PM - Re: Strong Smelling Cockpit Remedy? (Esa Lehto)
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| Subject: | Strong Smelling Cockpit Remedy? |
I have a Pulsar XP (860 TT on 912UL 80 HP) and the cockpit has a distinct mechanical/
fuel smell. Nothing is leaking at the fuel line connectors to the fuel
tank selection switch. However, I do have a wee bit of very light moisture that
has become evident at the joint of the left wing to the fuselage-at the joint
I have 1.5 Inch 3M tape I've used to close the gap as gap tape and it's getting
a little tacky on the underside. Can't tell if it's from the fuel tank check
valve or at the joint of the wing. But, no fuel drips on the hanger floor
( I have a Carbon Monoxide alarm-so, the smell is not of exhaust or fumes. It
just smells like the cotton fabric sound covering on the walls has taken a lot
of smell over the past 14 years. Incidentally, I have not taken the wings off,
nor did the previous owner. But, I think it's plausible that it's a fuel line
connector.
Any thoughts on this? Had a similar situation. Is a Glades Fresh Scent plug-in
the answer? (If It was my wife's plane it would smell like lavender when you
pushed open the canopy! Ha!)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390552#390552
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| Subject: | Re: Strong Smelling Cockpit Remedy? |
A number of us have had fuel smells in the cockpit in the past, due primarily to
inexplicable percolation of stuff through rubber fuel hoses in the cockpit.
This issue was discussed at length a few years ago both on the web group at at
the gathering in Kansas.
If this is the problem that you have then a solution is to change the hoses out
for teflon hoses. A number of us have done that successfully. Some years back
I did a little power point presentation on the issue for the Kansas gathering.
Happy to send you a copy if you would like.
Brian
On 17/12/2012, at 9:54 AM, triumphrider <investmentsalesconsultant@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have a Pulsar XP (860 TT on 912UL 80 HP) and the cockpit has a distinct mechanical/
fuel smell. Nothing is leaking at the fuel line connectors to the fuel
tank selection switch. However, I do have a wee bit of very light moisture
that has become evident at the joint of the left wing to the fuselage-at the joint
I have 1.5 Inch 3M tape I've used to close the gap as gap tape and it's
getting a little tacky on the underside. Can't tell if it's from the fuel tank
check valve or at the joint of the wing. But, no fuel drips on the hanger floor
( I have a Carbon Monoxide alarm-so, the smell is not of exhaust or fumes.
It just smells like the cotton fabric sound covering on the walls has taken a
lot of smell over the past 14 years. Incidentally, I have not taken the wings
off, nor did the previous owner. But, I think it's plausible that it's a fuel
line connector.
>
> Any thoughts on this? Had a similar situation. Is a Glades Fresh Scent plug-in
the answer? (If It was my wife's plane it would smell like lavender when you
pushed open the canopy! Ha!)
>
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>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390552#390552
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| Subject: | Re: Strong Smelling Cockpit Remedy? |
Hi Brian,=0A=0APlease share your presentation with all of us by posting it
to Pulsar Yahoo group.=0A=0AEsa,=0APulsar XP=0ARotax 912 UL=0A=0A=0A=0A____
____________________________=0A From: Brian Anderson <briana@xtra.co.nz>=0A
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Strong Smelling Cockpit Remedy?=0A =0A--> Pulsar-
List message posted by: Brian Anderson <briana@xtra.co.nz>=0A=0AA number of
us have had fuel smells in the cockpit in the past, due primarily to inexp
licable percolation of stuff through rubber fuel hoses in the cockpit. This
issue was discussed at length a few years ago both on the web group at at
the gathering in Kansas.=0A=0AIf this is the problem that you have then a s
olution is to change the hoses out for teflon hoses. A number of us have do
ne that successfully. Some years back I did a little power point presentati
on on the issue for the Kansas gathering. Happy to send you a copy if you w
ould like.=0A=0ABrian=0A=0A=0AOn 17/12/2012, at 9:54 AM, triumphrider <inve
stmentsalesconsultant@gmail.com> wrote:=0A=0A> --> Pulsar-List message post
ed by: "triumphrider" <investmentsalesconsultant@gmail.com>=0A> =0A> I have
a Pulsar XP- (860 TT on 912UL 80 HP) and the cockpit has a distinct mech
anical/ fuel smell. Nothing is leaking at the fuel line connectors to the f
uel tank selection switch. However, I do have a wee bit of very light moist
ure that has become evident at the joint of the left wing to the fuselage-a
t the joint I have 1.5 Inch- 3M tape I've used to close the gap as gap ta
pe and it's getting a little tacky on the underside. Can't tell if it's fro
m the fuel tank check valve or at the joint of the wing. But, no fuel drips
on the hanger floor ( I have a Carbon Monoxide alarm-so, the smell is not
of exhaust or fumes. It just smells like the cotton fabric sound covering o
n the walls has taken a lot of smell over the past 14 years. Incidentally,
I have not taken the wings off, nor did the previous owner. But, I think it
's plausible that it's a fuel line connector.=0A> =0A> Any thoughts on this
? Had a similar situation. Is a Glades Fresh Scent plug-in the answer?- (
If It was my wife's plane it would smell like lavender when you pushed open
the canopy! Ha!)=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic online here:=0A>
=0A> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390552#390552=0A> =0A>
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| Subject: | Re: Strong Smelling Cockpit Remedy? |
If you have the original resistance fuel Level sending units, don't forget t
o check the electrical connection terminal packing seal. That fiber gasket/
seal eventually dries out and leaks just enough to get wet and cause a smell
.
On Dec 16, 2012, at 8:05 PM, Esa Lehto <esalehto@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Brian,
>
> Please share your presentation with all of us by posting it to Pulsar Yaho
o group.
>
> Esa,
> Pulsar XP
> Rotax 912 UL
>
> From: Brian Anderson <briana@xtra.co.nz>
> To: pulsar-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 2:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Strong Smelling Cockpit Remedy?
>
>
> A number of us have had fuel smells in the cockpit in the past, due primar
ily to inexplicable percolation of stuff through rubber fuel hoses in the co
ckpit. This issue was discussed at length a few years ago both on the web gr
oup at at the gathering in Kansas.
>
> If this is the problem that you have then a solution is to change the hose
s out for teflon hoses. A number of us have done that successfully. Some yea
rs back I did a little power point presentation on the issue for the Kansas g
athering. Happy to send you a copy if you would like.
>
> Brian
>
>
> On 17/12/2012, at 9:54 AM, triumphrider <investmentsalesconsultant@gmail.c
om> wrote:
>
tant@gmail.com>
> >
> > I have a Pulsar XP (860 TT on 912UL 80 HP) and the cockpit has a distin
ct mechanical/ fuel smell. Nothing is leaking at the fuel line connectors to
the fuel tank selection switch. However, I do have a wee bit of very light m
oisture that has become evident at the joint of the left wing to the fuselag
e-at the joint I have 1.5 Inch 3M tape I've used to close the gap as gap ta
pe and it's getting a little tacky on the underside. Can't tell if it's from
the fuel tank check valve or at the joint of the wing. But, no fuel drips o
n the hanger floor ( I have a Carbon Monoxide alarm-so, the smell is not of e
xhaust or fumes. It just smells like the cotton fabric sound covering on the
walls has taken a lot of smell over the past 14 years. Incidentally, I hav
e not taken the wings off, nor did the previous owner. But, I think it's pla
usible that it's a fuel line connector.
> >
> > Any thoughts on this? Had a similar situation. Is a Glades Fresh Scent p
lug-in the answer? (If It was my wife's plane it would smell like lavender w
hen you pushed open the canopy! Ha!)
> >
> >
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> > Read this topic online here:
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> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390552#390552
> >
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> >
> > www.homebuilthelp com/Navigator?Pulsar-List" target=
"_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navig - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
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| Subject: | Re: Strong Smelling Cockpit Remedy? |
After 14 years I would go along with Brian's theory of deteriating fuel
hoses.
K'd
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Anderson" <briana@xtra.co.nz>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Strong Smelling Cockpit Remedy?
>
> A number of us have had fuel smells in the cockpit in the past, due
> primarily to inexplicable percolation of stuff through rubber fuel hoses
> in the cockpit. This issue was discussed at length a few years ago both on
> the web group at at the gathering in Kansas.
>
> If this is the problem that you have then a solution is to change the
> hoses out for teflon hoses. A number of us have done that successfully.
> Some years back I did a little power point presentation on the issue for
> the Kansas gathering. Happy to send you a copy if you would like.
>
> Brian
>
>
> On 17/12/2012, at 9:54 AM, triumphrider
> <investmentsalesconsultant@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> <investmentsalesconsultant@gmail.com>
>>
>> I have a Pulsar XP (860 TT on 912UL 80 HP) and the cockpit has a
>> distinct mechanical/ fuel smell. Nothing is leaking at the fuel line
>> connectors to the fuel tank selection switch. However, I do have a wee
>> bit of very light moisture that has become evident at the joint of the
>> left wing to the fuselage-at the joint I have 1.5 Inch 3M tape I've used
>> to close the gap as gap tape and it's getting a little tacky on the
>> underside. Can't tell if it's from the fuel tank check valve or at the
>> joint of the wing. But, no fuel drips on the hanger floor ( I have a
>> Carbon Monoxide alarm-so, the smell is not of exhaust or fumes. It just
>> smells like the cotton fabric sound covering on the walls has taken a lot
>> of smell over the past 14 years. Incidentally, I have not taken the wings
>> off, nor did the previous owner. But, I think it's plausible that it's a
>> fuel line connector.
>>
>> Any thoughts on this? Had a similar situation. Is a Glades Fresh Scent
>> plug-in the answer? (If It was my wife's plane it would smell like
>> lavender when you pushed open the canopy! Ha!)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390552#390552
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Strong Smelling Cockpit Remedy? |
Hi Keith,
The issue we had was actually with new fuel hoses- - - gates and other brands of
hose as well. Anyhow the teflon types immediately solved the problem.
Brian
On 17/12/2012, at 2:54 PM, "Keith Palmer" <kdpalmer@mweb.co.za> wrote:
>
> After 14 years I would go along with Brian's theory of deteriating fuel hoses.
>
> K'd
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Anderson" <briana@xtra.co.nz>
> To: <pulsar-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 12:21 AM
> Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Strong Smelling Cockpit Remedy?
>
>
>>
>> A number of us have had fuel smells in the cockpit in the past, due primarily
to inexplicable percolation of stuff through rubber fuel hoses in the cockpit.
This issue was discussed at length a few years ago both on the web group at
at the gathering in Kansas.
>>
>> If this is the problem that you have then a solution is to change the hoses
out for teflon hoses. A number of us have done that successfully. Some years back
I did a little power point presentation on the issue for the Kansas gathering.
Happy to send you a copy if you would like.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>> On 17/12/2012, at 9:54 AM, triumphrider <investmentsalesconsultant@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I have a Pulsar XP (860 TT on 912UL 80 HP) and the cockpit has a distinct
mechanical/ fuel smell. Nothing is leaking at the fuel line connectors to the
fuel tank selection switch. However, I do have a wee bit of very light moisture
that has become evident at the joint of the left wing to the fuselage-at the
joint I have 1.5 Inch 3M tape I've used to close the gap as gap tape and it's
getting a little tacky on the underside. Can't tell if it's from the fuel tank
check valve or at the joint of the wing. But, no fuel drips on the hanger floor
( I have a Carbon Monoxide alarm-so, the smell is not of exhaust or fumes.
It just smells like the cotton fabric sound covering on the walls has taken
a lot of smell over the past 14 years. Incidentally, I have not taken the wings
off, nor did the previous owner. But, I think it's plausible that it's a fuel
line connector.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on this? Had a similar situation. Is a Glades Fresh Scent plug-in
the answer? (If It was my wife's plane it would smell like lavender when
you pushed open the canopy! Ha!)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390552#390552
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Strong Smelling Cockpit Remedy? |
Brian ,
I also go along with the brand problem - another problem I have
experienced is swelling of hoses internally causeing a restriction - this
also applies to hydraulic hoses because of the high pressure with hydraulics
it allows fluid through but doesn't allow the fluid to return when the
brakes are released causeing drag & wear.
K'd
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Anderson" <briana@xtra.co.nz>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 4:17 AM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Strong Smelling Cockpit Remedy?
>
> Hi Keith,
>
> The issue we had was actually with new fuel hoses- - - gates and other
> brands of hose as well. Anyhow the teflon types immediately solved the
> problem.
>
> Brian
>
>
> On 17/12/2012, at 2:54 PM, "Keith Palmer" <kdpalmer@mweb.co.za> wrote:
>
>>
>> After 14 years I would go along with Brian's theory of deteriating fuel
>> hoses.
>>
>> K'd
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Anderson" <briana@xtra.co.nz>
>> To: <pulsar-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 12:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Strong Smelling Cockpit Remedy?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> A number of us have had fuel smells in the cockpit in the past, due
>>> primarily to inexplicable percolation of stuff through rubber fuel hoses
>>> in the cockpit. This issue was discussed at length a few years ago both
>>> on the web group at at the gathering in Kansas.
>>>
>>> If this is the problem that you have then a solution is to change the
>>> hoses out for teflon hoses. A number of us have done that successfully.
>>> Some years back I did a little power point presentation on the issue for
>>> the Kansas gathering. Happy to send you a copy if you would like.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17/12/2012, at 9:54 AM, triumphrider
>>> <investmentsalesconsultant@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <investmentsalesconsultant@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> I have a Pulsar XP (860 TT on 912UL 80 HP) and the cockpit has a
>>>> distinct mechanical/ fuel smell. Nothing is leaking at the fuel line
>>>> connectors to the fuel tank selection switch. However, I do have a wee
>>>> bit of very light moisture that has become evident at the joint of the
>>>> left wing to the fuselage-at the joint I have 1.5 Inch 3M tape I've
>>>> used to close the gap as gap tape and it's getting a little tacky on
>>>> the underside. Can't tell if it's from the fuel tank check valve or at
>>>> the joint of the wing. But, no fuel drips on the hanger floor ( I have
>>>> a Carbon Monoxide alarm-so, the smell is not of exhaust or fumes. It
>>>> just smells like the cotton fabric sound covering on the walls has
>>>> taken a lot of smell over the past 14 years. Incidentally, I have not
>>>> taken the wings off, nor did the previous owner. But, I think it's
>>>> plausible that it's a fuel line connector.
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts on this? Had a similar situation. Is a Glades Fresh Scent
>>>> plug-in the answer? (If It was my wife's plane it would smell like
>>>> lavender when you pushed open the canopy! Ha!)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390552#390552
>>>>
>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Strong Smelling Cockpit Remedy? |
Esa,
I've just uploaded the file, called - - - Fuel Smell.ppt
Brian
On 17/12/2012, at 2:05 PM, Esa Lehto <esalehto@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Brian,
>
> Please share your presentation with all of us by posting it to Pulsar
Yahoo group.
>
> Esa,
> Pulsar XP
> Rotax 912 UL
>
> From: Brian Anderson <briana@xtra.co.nz>
> To: pulsar-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 2:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Strong Smelling Cockpit Remedy?
>
>
> A number of us have had fuel smells in the cockpit in the past, due
primarily to inexplicable percolation of stuff through rubber fuel hoses
in the cockpit. This issue was discussed at length a few years ago both
on the web group at at the gathering in Kansas.
>
> If this is the problem that you have then a solution is to change the
hoses out for teflon hoses. A number of us have done that successfully.
Some years back I did a little power point presentation on the issue for
the Kansas gathering. Happy to send you a copy if you would like.
>
> Brian
>
>
> On 17/12/2012, at 9:54 AM, triumphrider
<investmentsalesconsultant@gmail.com> wrote:
>
<investmentsalesconsultant@gmail.com>
> >
> > I have a Pulsar XP (860 TT on 912UL 80 HP) and the cockpit has a
distinct mechanical/ fuel smell. Nothing is leaking at the fuel line
connectors to the fuel tank selection switch. However, I do have a wee
bit of very light moisture that has become evident at the joint of the
left wing to the fuselage-at the joint I have 1.5 Inch 3M tape I've
used to close the gap as gap tape and it's getting a little tacky on the
underside. Can't tell if it's from the fuel tank check valve or at the
joint of the wing. But, no fuel drips on the hanger floor ( I have a
Carbon Monoxide alarm-so, the smell is not of exhaust or fumes. It just
smells like the cotton fabric sound covering on the walls has taken a
lot of smell over the past 14 years. Incidentally, I have not taken the
wings off, nor did the previous owner. But, I think it's plausible that
it's a fuel line connector.
> >
> > Any thoughts on this? Had a similar situation. Is a Glades Fresh
Scent plug-in the answer? (If It was my wife's plane it would smell
like lavender when you pushed open the canopy! Ha!)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390552#390552
> >
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> > www.homebuilthelp com/Navigator?Pulsar-List"
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| Subject: | Re: Strong Smelling Cockpit Remedy? |
Thanks Brian! I read it, good information on the presentation.=0A=0A-Esa=0A
=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Brian Anderson <briana@x
tra.co.nz>=0ATo: pulsar-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, December 16, 20
12 6:43 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pulsar-List: Strong Smelling Cockpit Remedy?=0A
=0A=0AEsa,=0A=0AI've just uploaded the file, called - - - -Fuel Smell.ppt
=0A=0ABrian=0A=0A=0A=0AOn 17/12/2012, at 2:05 PM, Esa Lehto <esalehto@yahoo
.com> wrote:=0A=0AHi Brian,=0A>=0A>=0A>Please share your presentation with
all of us by posting it to Pulsar Yahoo group.=0A>=0A>=0A>Esa,=0A>Pulsar XP
=0A>Rotax 912 UL=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>________________________________=0A> From:
Brian Anderson <briana@xtra.co.nz>=0A>To: pulsar-list@matronics.com =0A>Sen
t: Sunday, December 16, 2012 2:21 PM=0A>Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Strong Sm
erson <briana@xtra.co.nz>=0A>=0A>A number of us have had fuel smells in the
cockpit in the past, due primarily to inexplicable percolation of stuff th
rough rubber fuel hoses in the cockpit. This issue was discussed at length
a few years ago both on the web group at at the gathering in Kansas.=0A>=0A
>If this is the problem that you have then a solution is to change the hose
s out for teflon hoses. A number of us have done that successfully. Some ye
ars back I did a little power point presentation on the issue for the Kansa
s gathering. Happy to send you a copy if you would like.=0A>=0A>Brian=0A>
=0A>=0A>On 17/12/2012, at 9:54 AM, triumphrider <investmentsalesconsultant@
gmail.com> wrote:=0A>=0A>> --> Pulsar-List=0A message posted by: "triumphri
der" <investmentsalesconsultant@gmail.com>=0A>> =0A>> I have a Pulsar XP-
(860 TT on 912UL 80 HP) and the cockpit has a distinct mechanical/ fuel sm
ell. Nothing is leaking at the fuel line connectors to the fuel tank select
ion switch. However, I do have a wee bit of very light moisture that has be
come evident at the joint of the left wing to the fuselage-at the joint I h
ave 1.5 Inch- 3M tape I've used to close the gap as gap tape and it's get
ting a little tacky on the underside. Can't tell if it's from the fuel tank
check valve or at the joint of the wing. But, no fuel drips on the hanger
floor ( I have a Carbon Monoxide alarm-so, the smell is not of exhaust or f
umes. It just smells like the cotton fabric sound covering on the walls has
taken a lot of smell over the past 14 years. Incidentally,=0A I have not t
aken the wings off, nor did the previous owner. But, I think it's plausible
that it's a fuel line connector.=0A>> =0A>> Any thoughts on this? Had a si
milar situation. Is a Glades Fresh Scent plug-in the answer?- (If It was
my wife's plane it would smell like lavender when you pushed open the canop
y! Ha!)=0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> Read this topic online here:=0A>> =0A>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390552#390552=0A>> =0A>>
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