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1. 12:27 AM - Re: Wing tanks in wood wing? (mjb777)
2. 01:12 AM - Re: Fw: R: Pulsar XP bladder fuel tanks (Keith Palmer)
3. 01:16 AM - Re: Fw: R: Pulsar XP bladder fuel tanks (Barry J Edwards)
4. 02:00 AM - Re: Re: Wing tanks in wood wing? (Keith Palmer)
5. 02:18 AM - Re: Fw: R: Pulsar XP bladder fuel tanks (Keith Palmer)
6. 02:22 AM - Re: Re: Wing tanks in wood wing? (Matt Brock)
7. 07:53 AM - Re: Fw: R: Pulsar XP bladder fuel tanks (Sonja Englert)
8. 07:58 AM - Re: Fw: R: Pulsar XP bladder fuel tanks (Bernard Wilder)
9. 08:39 AM - Re: Pulsar-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 01/28/14 (Bob Hartunian)
10. 02:35 PM - Re: Fw: R: Pulsar XP bladder fuel tanks (GREGSMI@aol.com)
11. 03:10 PM - Re: Lower Cowl Mold (mjb777)
12. 03:41 PM - Re: Lower Cowl Mold (PreCompTech)
13. 03:47 PM - Re: Lower Cowl Mold (PreCompTech)
14. 07:07 PM - 912 fuel pump (Brian Anderson)
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| Subject: | Re: Wing tanks in wood wing? |
Everett,
If you still have not built your wings, what is the thickness of the foam core
in the fuel tank leading edge section?
Regards,
Matt.
[quote="everettmcollier(at)yahoo."]I have a 582 Pulsar I with wing tanks. I have
the wood spar with the xp type glass skins. Had to make new ribs to do this.
The spare is coated with 45 degree S glass to strengthen it and protect it
from the fuel. Coated with Jeffco 9700. Okay so far as I know.
Everett
Sent from my iPad.
> On Jan 29, 2014, at 8:13 AM, Sonja Englert wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello Group,
>
> Has anyone made wing tanks for a Pulsar 1 (wood wing)?
>
> Sonja
>
>
>
>
> Matt,
>
> I suggest we ask the group if anyone has made wing tanks for a wood
> wing before. Maybe it is not necessary to reinvent the wheel.
>
> Sonja
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Matthew Brock
> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 21:15:34 +0400
> Subject: RE: Results
> To: Sonja Englert
>
> Wow Sonja,
>
> That was nice and fast!
>
> I'll put together what I'm thinking of doing regarding a wing tank upgrade/
> modification of the wood-wood wing, so you can let me know your thoughts.
> Would you be happy to have a similar arrangement as we had for the Fuselage/
> Wing structural modifications, as perhaps there are guys out there with kits
> who would like this option also?
>
> Again thanks so much for your work and input.
>
> Regards,
>
> Matt.
>
>
>
> --
--------
Pulsar 1 TD Kit.
Captain B777.
Licenced Aircraft Maintenance Engineer.
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| Subject: | Fw: R: Pulsar XP bladder fuel tanks |
We used to put much long bladders into our glider wings for water
ballast which was very easy, with flexible bladders you don=99t
need a vent because they collapse as they empty . No Problem.
Keith
From: owner-pulsar-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pulsar-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard
Wilder
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Fw: R: Pulsar XP bladder fuel tanks
Before I recoated my fuel cells I explored bladders. There is a company
in Wisc. that makes bladders. Initial estimate was $500.00.
Installation at building time would have been easy. Installation into a
completed wing was complicated - lining up the fill hole, vent,
supporting the bladder (you can't just stick it in),,,,etc.
Bernie Wilder
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Barry J Edwards <barry@connisbeare.com>
wrote:
I=99ve just had the following back from Merin in Italy. They are
offering bladder style tanks for the XP at 1800 Euros per pair. That
doesn=99t seem too bad to me and maybe if a couple more folks in
the UK were interested we might get an even better price.
Thoughts anyone?
Barry
G-XPXP UK
OFFER 4946
- Safety fuel tank, anti-crash and anti-explosion for your
aircraft Pulsar XP, manufactured according our standard (find leaflet
attached). In order to be certain of your specific need, we would
appreciate a drawing, if possible.
Price: =82=AC 1.800,00 (LH + RH wing tanks)
General Terms & Conditions
Delivery: 45 days from order
Transport: not included
Payment: before shipment
For any further info, please do not hesitate to contact us personally.
Is our pleasure to improve not only our services but also customer
satisfaction, which we cannot do without your help, observations,
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Da: Barry J Edwards [mailto:barry@connisbeare.com]
Inviato: gioved=C3=AC 30 gennaio 2014 10:15
A: Tania Macaluso
Oggetto: Pulsar XP bladder fuel tanks
Good morning,
Could you let me know the cost of your bladder fuel tanks for the Pulsar
XP please?
Thank you,
Barry Edwards
Pulsar XP G-XPXP UK.
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: R: Pulsar XP bladder fuel tanks |
If a vent is needed, I would think a simple small bore tube rising from
the fuel cap and bent 90 degrees forward into the airflow would be
sufficient.
Barry
From: Keith Palmer
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 9:11 AM
Subject: RE: Pulsar-List: Fw: R: Pulsar XP bladder fuel tanks
We used to put much long bladders into our glider wings for water
ballast which was very easy, with flexible bladders you don=99t
need a vent because they collapse as they empty . No Problem.
Keith
From: owner-pulsar-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pulsar-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard
Wilder
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Fw: R: Pulsar XP bladder fuel tanks
Before I recoated my fuel cells I explored bladders. There is a company
in Wisc. that makes bladders. Initial estimate was $500.00.
Installation at building time would have been easy. Installation into a
completed wing was complicated - lining up the fill hole, vent,
supporting the bladder (you can't just stick it in),,,,etc.
Bernie Wilder
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Barry J Edwards <barry@connisbeare.com>
wrote:
I=99ve just had the following back from Merin in Italy. They are
offering bladder style tanks for the XP at 1800 Euros per pair. That
doesn=99t seem too bad to me and maybe if a couple more folks in
the UK were interested we might get an even better price.
Thoughts anyone?
Barry
G-XPXP UK
OFFER 4946
- Safety fuel tank, anti-crash and anti-explosion for your
aircraft Pulsar XP, manufactured according our standard (find leaflet
attached). In order to be certain of your specific need, we would
appreciate a drawing, if possible.
Price: =82=AC 1.800,00 (LH + RH wing tanks)
General Terms & Conditions
Delivery: 45 days from order
Transport: not included
Payment: before shipment
For any further info, please do not hesitate to contact us personally.
Is our pleasure to improve not only our services but also customer
satisfaction, which we cannot do without your help, observations,
requests and/or questions.
Best regards,
Follow us on
Da: Barry J Edwards [mailto:barry@connisbeare.com]
Inviato: gioved=C3=AC 30 gennaio 2014 10:15
A: Tania Macaluso
Oggetto: Pulsar XP bladder fuel tanks
Good morning,
Could you let me know the cost of your bladder fuel tanks for the Pulsar
XP please?
Thank you,
Barry Edwards
Pulsar XP G-XPXP UK.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing tanks in wood wing? |
Matt,
Mine were straight glass fiber with no core.
K'd
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pulsar-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pulsar-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mjb777
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 10:27 AM
Subject: Pulsar-List: Re: Wing tanks in wood wing?
Everett,
If you still have not built your wings, what is the thickness of the foam
core in the fuel tank leading edge section?
Regards,
Matt.
[quote="everettmcollier(at)yahoo."]I have a 582 Pulsar I with wing tanks. I
have the wood spar with the xp type glass skins. Had to make new ribs to do
this. The spare is coated with 45 degree S glass to strengthen it and
protect it from the fuel. Coated with Jeffco 9700. Okay so far as I know.
Everett
Sent from my iPad.
> On Jan 29, 2014, at 8:13 AM, Sonja Englert wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello Group,
>
> Has anyone made wing tanks for a Pulsar 1 (wood wing)?
>
> Sonja
>
>
>
>
> Matt,
>
> I suggest we ask the group if anyone has made wing tanks for a wood
> wing before. Maybe it is not necessary to reinvent the wheel.
>
> Sonja
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Matthew Brock
> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 21:15:34 +0400
> Subject: RE: Results
> To: Sonja Englert
>
> Wow Sonja,
>
> That was nice and fast!
>
> I'll put together what I'm thinking of doing regarding a wing tank
upgrade/
> modification of the wood-wood wing, so you can let me know your thoughts.
> Would you be happy to have a similar arrangement as we had for the
Fuselage/
> Wing structural modifications, as perhaps there are guys out there with
kits
> who would like this option also?
>
> Again thanks so much for your work and input.
>
> Regards,
>
> Matt.
>
>
>
> --
--------
Pulsar 1 TD Kit.
Captain B777.
Licenced Aircraft Maintenance Engineer.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417932#417932
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| Subject: | Fw: R: Pulsar XP bladder fuel tanks |
No Problem =93 we could dump 100 liters of water in a minute or
two without any vent.
K=99d
From: owner-pulsar-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pulsar-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry J
Edwards
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Fw: R: Pulsar XP bladder fuel tanks
If a vent is needed, I would think a simple small bore tube rising from
the fuel cap and bent 90 degrees forward into the airflow would be
sufficient.
Barry
From: Keith Palmer <mailto:kdpalmer@mweb.co.za>
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 9:11 AM
Subject: RE: Pulsar-List: Fw: R: Pulsar XP bladder fuel tanks
We used to put much long bladders into our glider wings for water
ballast which was very easy, with flexible bladders you don=99t
need a vent because they collapse as they empty . No Problem.
Keith
From: owner-pulsar-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pulsar-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard
Wilder
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Fw: R: Pulsar XP bladder fuel tanks
Before I recoated my fuel cells I explored bladders. There is a company
in Wisc. that makes bladders. Initial estimate was $500.00.
Installation at building time would have been easy. Installation into a
completed wing was complicated - lining up the fill hole, vent,
supporting the bladder (you can't just stick it in),,,,etc.
Bernie Wilder
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Barry J Edwards <barry@connisbeare.com>
wrote:
I=99ve just had the following back from Merin in Italy. They are
offering bladder style tanks for the XP at 1800 Euros per pair. That
doesn=99t seem too bad to me and maybe if a couple more folks in
the UK were interested we might get an even better price.
Thoughts anyone?
Barry
G-XPXP UK
OFFER 4946
- Safety fuel tank, anti-crash and anti-explosion for your
aircraft Pulsar XP, manufactured according our standard (find leaflet
attached). In order to be certain of your specific need, we would
appreciate a drawing, if possible.
Price: =82=AC 1.800,00 (LH + RH wing tanks)
General Terms & Conditions
Delivery: 45 days from order
Transport: not included
Payment: before shipment
For any further info, please do not hesitate to contact us personally.
Is our pleasure to improve not only our services but also customer
satisfaction, which we cannot do without your help, observations,
requests and/or questions.
Best regards,
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Da: Barry J Edwards [mailto:barry@connisbeare.com]
Inviato: gioved=C3=AC 30 gennaio 2014 10:15
A: Tania Macaluso
Oggetto: Pulsar XP bladder fuel tanks
Good morning,
Could you let me know the cost of your bladder fuel tanks for the Pulsar
XP please?
Thank you,
Barry Edwards
Pulsar XP G-XPXP UK.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing tanks in wood wing? |
Interesting Keith. It is surprising how many different combinations of skins, spars
and fuel tanks there are in the 'fleet'!
It would seem the biggest issue overall is the ethanol problem. There must be a
product out there that is 100% suitable for sealing fiberglass tanks against
ethanol. I know that boat manufacturers are now claiming to be building 100% ethanol
resistant fiberglass tanks. Google Hightide Marine for example. I have
asked them if they will share details of the resin system they use.
Regards,
Matt Brock.
+971507052665.
Original Message
From: Keith Palmer
Sent: Friday, 31 January 2014 18:02
Reply To: pulsar-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pulsar-List: Re: Wing tanks in wood wing?
Matt,
Mine were straight glass fiber with no core.
K'd
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pulsar-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pulsar-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mjb777
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 10:27 AM
Subject: Pulsar-List: Re: Wing tanks in wood wing?
Everett,
If you still have not built your wings, what is the thickness of the foam
core in the fuel tank leading edge section?
Regards,
Matt.
[quote="everettmcollier(at)yahoo."]I have a 582 Pulsar I with wing tanks. I
have the wood spar with the xp type glass skins. Had to make new ribs to do
this. The spare is coated with 45 degree S glass to strengthen it and
protect it from the fuel. Coated with Jeffco 9700. Okay so far as I know.
Everett
Sent from my iPad.
> On Jan 29, 2014, at 8:13 AM, Sonja Englert wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello Group,
>
> Has anyone made wing tanks for a Pulsar 1 (wood wing)?
>
> Sonja
>
>
>
>
> Matt,
>
> I suggest we ask the group if anyone has made wing tanks for a wood
> wing before. Maybe it is not necessary to reinvent the wheel.
>
> Sonja
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Matthew Brock
> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 21:15:34 +0400
> Subject: RE: Results
> To: Sonja Englert
>
> Wow Sonja,
>
> That was nice and fast!
>
> I'll put together what I'm thinking of doing regarding a wing tank
upgrade/
> modification of the wood-wood wing, so you can let me know your thoughts.
> Would you be happy to have a similar arrangement as we had for the
Fuselage/
> Wing structural modifications, as perhaps there are guys out there with
kits
> who would like this option also?
>
> Again thanks so much for your work and input.
>
> Regards,
>
> Matt.
>
>
>
> --
--------
Pulsar 1 TD Kit.
Captain B777.
Licenced Aircraft Maintenance Engineer.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417932#417932
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: R: Pulsar XP bladder fuel tanks |
Do you have ribs in the tank?? I don't. They are not required if the
wing leading edge structure is sized for it.
Sonja
On 1/30/14, GREGSMI@aol.com <GREGSMI@aol.com> wrote:
> One other problem, the bladders may require you to remove the ribs in the
> tank. This is a structural issue. The ribs are required to spread the load
> to the spar. Without them, the end close out rib will take too much shear
> load, and we already know the end ribs will leak, the additional load will
>
> cause issues.
>
> Greg
>
>
> In a message dated 1/30/2014 9:30:34 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> bernard.wilder2@gmail.com writes:
>
>
> Before I recoated my fuel cells I explored bladders. There is a company
> in Wisc. that makes bladders. Initial estimate was $500.00. Installation
>
> at building time would have been easy. Installation into a completed wing
>
> was complicated - lining up the fill hole, vent, supporting the bladder
> (you can't just stick it in),,,,etc.
>
>
> Bernie Wilder
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Barry J Edwards <_barry@connisbeare.com_
> (mailto:barry@connisbeare.com) > wrote:
>
>
> I've just had the following back from Merin in Italy. They are offering
> bladder style tanks for the XP at 1800 Euros per pair. That doesn't seem
> too
> bad to me and maybe if a couple more folks in the UK were interested we
> might get an even better price.
>
>
> Thoughts anyone?
>
>
> Barry
>
>
> G-XPXP UK
>
>
> OFFER 4946
> - Safety fuel tank, anti-crash and anti-explosion for your
> aircraft Pulsar XP, manufactured according our standard (find leaflet
> attached).
> In order to be certain of your specific need, we would appreciate a
> drawing, if possible.
> Price: EURO 1.800,00 (LH + RH wing tanks)
> General Terms & Conditions
> Delivery: 45 days from order
> Transport: not included
> Payment: before shipment
> For any further info, please do not hesitate to contact us personally. Is
> our pleasure to improve not only our services but also customer
> satisfaction, which we cannot do without your help, observations, requests
> and/or
> questions.
> Best regards,
>
> Follow us on
> (http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=197375985&trk=hb_tab_pro_top)
> (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Merin-srl/199334633477083?ref=hl)
> (https://twitter.com/MERINsrl)
>
>
> Da: Barry J Edwards [mailto:_barry@connisbeare.com_
> (mailto:barry@connisbeare.com) ]
> Inviato: gioved 30 gennaio 2014 10:15
> A: Tania Macaluso
> Oggetto: Pulsar XP bladder fuel tanks
>
>
> Good morning,
>
>
> Could you let me know the cost of your bladder fuel tanks for the Pulsar
> XP please?
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> Barry Edwards
>
> Pulsar XP G-XPXP UK.
>
>
> ____________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: R: Pulsar XP bladder fuel tanks |
No ribs in my tank - XP #390.
Bernie Wilder
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Sonja Englert <paqs345@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Do you have ribs in the tank?? I don't. They are not required if the
> wing leading edge structure is sized for it.
>
> Sonja
>
> On 1/30/14, GREGSMI@aol.com <GREGSMI@aol.com> wrote:
>> One other problem, the bladders may require you to remove the ribs in the
>> tank. This is a structural issue. The ribs are required to spread the load
>> to the spar. Without them, the end close out rib will take too much shear
>> load, and we already know the end ribs will leak, the additional load will
>>
>> cause issues.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 1/30/2014 9:30:34 A.M. Central Standard Time,
>> bernard.wilder2@gmail.com writes:
>>
>>
>> Before I recoated my fuel cells I explored bladders. There is a company
>> in Wisc. that makes bladders. Initial estimate was $500.00. Installation
>>
>> at building time would have been easy. Installation into a completed wing
>>
>> was complicated - lining up the fill hole, vent, supporting the bladder
>> (you can't just stick it in),,,,etc.
>>
>>
>> Bernie Wilder
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Barry J Edwards <_barry@connisbeare.com_
>> (mailto:barry@connisbeare.com) > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I've just had the following back from Merin in Italy. They are offering
>> bladder style tanks for the XP at 1800 Euros per pair. That doesn't seem
>> too
>> bad to me and maybe if a couple more folks in the UK were interested we
>> might get an even better price.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts anyone?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Barry
>>
>>
>> G-XPXP UK
>>
>>
>>
>> OFFER 4946
>> - Safety fuel tank, anti-crash and anti-explosion for your
>> aircraft Pulsar XP, manufactured according our standard (find leaflet
>> attached).
>> In order to be certain of your specific need, we would appreciate a
>> drawing, if possible.
>> Price: EURO 1.800,00 (LH + RH wing tanks)
>> General Terms & Conditions
>> Delivery: 45 days from order
>> Transport: not included
>> Payment: before shipment
>> For any further info, please do not hesitate to contact us personally. Is
>> our pleasure to improve not only our services but also customer
>> satisfaction, which we cannot do without your help, observations, requests
>> and/or
>> questions.
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Follow us on
>> (http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=197375985&trk=hb_tab_pro_top)
>> (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Merin-srl/199334633477083?ref=hl)
>> (https://twitter.com/MERINsrl)
>>
>>
>>
>> Da: Barry J Edwards [mailto:_barry@connisbeare.com_
>> (mailto:barry@connisbeare.com) ]
>> Inviato: gioved 30 gennaio 2014 10:15
>> A: Tania Macaluso
>> Oggetto: Pulsar XP bladder fuel tanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Good morning,
>>
>>
>>
>> Could you let me know the cost of your bladder fuel tanks for the Pulsar
>> XP please?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>>
>> Barry Edwards
>>
>> Pulsar XP G-XPXP UK.
>>
>>
>>
>> ____________________________________
>>
>> Nessun virus nel messaggio.
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>> Versione: 2014.0.4259 / Database dei virus: 3684/7043 - Data di rilascio:
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>> 29/01/2014
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pulsar-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 01/28/14 |
All organic materials will eventually be effected by solvents. The degree of
dissolution is a function of the specific materials involved and the
solvent's chemical activity, concentration and time and temp. For polymers
like epoxies, the degree of cross-linking determines the tendency to
dissolve and if it is a thermoset, the cross-linking density is higher so
dissolution is slower, measured in years of exposure. The higher the initial
cure temp, the better solvent resistance. A 350F cured epoxy resin will be
considered uneffected by gasoline with ethanol for years of exposure but a
room temp curing epoxy adhesive will begin the degradation process quicker.
When you have a structure that requires room temp construction (Pulsar
kits), those cured materials have a lower chemical resistance to direct
solvent exposure. The easiest remedy is to put a sacrificial coating of
higher solvent resistance material over the weaker base to keep the solvent
off the more susceptible material, and that's what the Jeffco novolac does.
Given years of constant exposure, that too will gradually degrade and will
need recoating to provide a new, resistant surface.
So this problem is systemic when fuels with solvent are exposed to epoxies
and you just coat the surfaces periodically to keep the underlying structure
sound. It's like painting a wood home every ten years.
Or you construct the tank from a metallic material that is uneffected by
solvent. It's too late to redesign and construct metal tanks in flying
Pulsar planes, so the protective coating, inspected and maintained, will
keep the wing structure from degrading.
Bob H
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> 1. 08:10 AM - Pulsar 1 to Pulsar XP conversion (Sonja Englert)
> 2. 09:32 AM - Re: Re: Fw: Jeffco Epoxy (Bernard Wilder)
> 3. 04:07 PM - Shock Strut Attach Bracket (PreCompTech)
> 4. 04:57 PM - Re: Shock Strut Attach Bracket (pilot623)
> 5. 05:03 PM - Re: Shock Strut Attach Bracket (PreCompTech)
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> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
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>
> Time: 08:10:52 AM PST US
> Subject: Pulsar-List: Pulsar 1 to Pulsar XP conversion
> From: Sonja Englert <paqs345@gmail.com>
>
>
> Hi Group,
>
> A number of Pulsar 1 kit owners have expressed the wish to upgrade
> their Pulsar to a 4-stroke engine. This is generally not possible due
> to the higher weight of the engine and the low gross weight their
> structure was designed for.
>
> I have now examined the wood wing and fuselage structure in detail,
> calculated the loads for a gross weight increase and came up with a
> number of reinforcements which brings the kit up to the same strength
> as the Pulsar XP. This allows the use of a Rotax 912 engine and
> increases all other limitations to those of a Pulsar XP.
> The reinforcements can only be incorporated before any assembly of the
> kit has taken place. It is not possible to upgrade a Pulsar 1 after it
> has been built.
>
> I am making the documentation available to Pulsar builders, please see
> my web site http://www.caro-engineering.com under 'Pulsar Builder's
> Support' for details.
>
> Sonja
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
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> Time: 09:32:37 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Re: Fwd: Jeffco Epoxy
> From: Bernard Wilder <bernard.wilder2@gmail.com>
>
>
> Jeffco 9700 is now Rhino 9700.(( Rhino of pick-up truck liner fame
> bought them out.)) Google the manufacturers spec sheet and you will
> find that it is a high quality cement paint with no mention of any
> aircraft applications. I used it on my XP and found that after 13
> years ethanol had almost completely dissolved it all away. I could
> find no better material so I recoated my fuel cells with it again. I
> keep a couple pieces of panel coated with 9700 in a quart jar filled
> with MoGas. Every time I fly I give the jar a good shake. When the
> coating on the piece in the jar gets thin I will know that it is time
> to recoat my fuel cells.
>
> BTW Rhino also makes a line of epoxy cements.
>
> Bernie Wilder
>
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 1:05 AM, PreCompTech <pctllc1@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> We've used Jeffco 9700 Tank Sealer for many years with great results on
>> aircraft
> running jet fuel to standard gas.
>>
>> Biggest tip I can give is to make sure ALL pinholes and edges are sealed.
>>
>> --------
>> Kris Anderson, Owner
>> Precision Composites Technologies, LLC
>> 509-521-7564
>> www.precomptech.com
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417742#417742
>>
>>
>
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> ________________________________ Message 3
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> Time: 04:07:17 PM PST US
> Subject: Pulsar-List: Shock Strut Attach Bracket
> From: "PreCompTech" <pctllc1@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Part number AD355-A
>
> Does anyone have an extra one of these around?
>
> If not, I'm assuming it's made from 4130 steel and I can have my welder make
> it.
> Easier if one is on a shelf somewhere.
>
> --------
> Kris Anderson, Owner
> Precision Composites Technologies, LLC
> 509-521-7564
> www.precomptech.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417794#417794
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> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
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>
> Time: 04:57:43 PM PST US
> From: "pilot623" <pilot623@gmail.com>
> Subject: RE: Pulsar-List: Shock Strut Attach Bracket
>
>
> What is this part?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pulsar-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pulsar-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PreCompTech
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 6:07 PM
> Subject: Pulsar-List: Shock Strut Attach Bracket
>
>
> Part number AD355-A
>
> Does anyone have an extra one of these around?
>
> If not, I'm assuming it's made from 4130 steel and I can have my welder make
> it. Easier if one is on a shelf somewhere.
>
> --------
> Kris Anderson, Owner
> Precision Composites Technologies, LLC
> 509-521-7564
> www.precomptech.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417794#417794
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> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:03:52 PM PST US
> Subject: Pulsar-List: Re: Shock Strut Attach Bracket
> From: "PreCompTech" <pctllc1@hotmail.com>
>
>
> As stated, it's the Shock Strut Attach Bracket (Ad355-A)
>
> --------
> Kris Anderson, Owner
> Precision Composites Technologies, LLC
> 509-521-7564
> www.precomptech.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417800#417800
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: R: Pulsar XP bladder fuel tanks |
Well, apparently ribs were only used in tanks on the 914 model and maybe
Skystar used them. Would like to hear from those owners. It's really too ba
d
we do not have the the factory documentation for things like this.
Obviously, if there are no ribs then bladders will work well in the leading
edge.
I remember talking to a vendor at Oshkosh several years ago about bladders
for another airplane.
I would still follow the sealing with Jeffco and PRC. One person has
suggested using 1.7 oz. glass in the Jeffco to reduce the possibility of
cracking.
When I talked to the guy at Oshkosh, he was wanting a mold or tank to work
with to make the bladders. I think if we could give him the end ribs and
length, he could take it from there.
Greg
In a message dated 1/31/2014 9:53:15 A.M. Central Standard Time,
paqs345@gmail.com writes:
--> Pulsar-List message posted by: Sonja Englert <paqs345@gmail.com>
Do you have ribs in the tank?? I don't. They are not required if the
wing leading edge structure is sized for it.
Sonja
On 1/30/14, GREGSMI@aol.com <GREGSMI@aol.com> wrote:
> One other problem, the bladders may require you to remove the ribs in th
e
> tank. This is a structural issue. The ribs are required to spread the
load
> to the spar. Without them, the end close out rib will take too much
shear
> load, and we already know the end ribs will leak, the additional load
will
>
> cause issues.
>
> Greg
>
>
> In a message dated 1/30/2014 9:30:34 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> bernard.wilder2@gmail.com writes:
>
>
> Before I recoated my fuel cells I explored bladders. There is a compan
y
> in Wisc. that makes bladders. Initial estimate was $500.00.
Installation
>
> at building time would have been easy. Installation into a completed
wing
>
> was complicated - lining up the fill hole, vent, supporting the bladde
r
> (you can't just stick it in),,,,etc.
>
>
> Bernie Wilder
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Barry J Edwards <_barry@connisbeare.com
_
> (mailto:barry@connisbeare.com) > wrote:
>
>
> I've just had the following back from Merin in Italy. They are offering
> bladder style tanks for the XP at 1800 Euros per pair. That doesn't see
m
> too
> bad to me and maybe if a couple more folks in the UK were interested we
> might get an even better price.
>
>
> Thoughts anyone?
>
>
> Barry
>
>
> G-XPXP UK
>
>
> OFFER 4946
> - Safety fuel tank, anti-crash and anti-explosion for your
> aircraft Pulsar XP, manufactured according our standard (find leaflet
> attached).
> In order to be certain of your specific need, we would appreciate a
> drawing, if possible.
> Price: EURO 1.800,00 (LH + RH wing tanks)
> General Terms & Conditions
> Delivery: 45 days from order
> Transport: not included
> Payment: before shipment
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> Da: Barry J Edwards [mailto:_barry@connisbeare.com_
> (mailto:barry@connisbeare.com) ]
> Inviato: gioved=EC 30 gennaio 2014 10:15
> A: Tania Macaluso
> Oggetto: Pulsar XP bladder fuel tanks
>
>
> Good morning,
>
>
> Could you let me know the cost of your bladder fuel tanks for the Pulsa
r
> XP please?
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> Barry Edwards
>
> Pulsar XP G-XPXP UK.
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| Subject: | Re: Lower Cowl Mold |
Very nice! How much are you asking for a lower cowl? I am building with a normal
style focal engine mount so the cowl will not be structural.
Does anyone have a mold for the upper also? I need both.
Regards,
Matt.
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| Subject: | Re: Lower Cowl Mold |
I don't have pricing as of yet. These parts can be done in one of two ways, either
prepreg or resin infused. The one I'm doing for this plane will be resin infused.
I'm waiting on pricing for the foam from another company, which is the
least cost of the expenses.
Note that the return flanges can be removed for those not wanting to do the triangular
return flange of the cowl and opting for a standard joggle for using camlocks.
The joggle itself would have to be a layup performed against the upper
cowl.
--------
Kris Anderson, Owner
Precision Composites Technologies, LLC
509-521-7564
www.precomptech.com
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| Subject: | Re: Lower Cowl Mold |
There was also initial discussion of using the existing upper cowl to make a plug
and mold, but we'd rather not mess with the finished paint already on it per
the customer. If anyone has one that we could utilize that's in perfect shape
and would like to offer its use as a plug and returned afterward, we could do
this.
--------
Kris Anderson, Owner
Precision Composites Technologies, LLC
509-521-7564
www.precomptech.com
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The recent Rotax SB on swapping out the fuel pump got me thinking. While
my engine serial number was not one included in this SB it is a pretty
old engine. It=92s been flying now for 13 years, although only just 500
hours. It still had the original fuel pump.
I decided that it was time to change to the new design. Fitting the new
one was easy, although because it is slightly different in shape from
the original, I had to relieve a little area inside the cowling to
provide clearance. I suspect my engine is actually mounted perhaps 1/4"
further forward than necessary, making the fuel pump clearance to the
front of the cowling very minimal. Mmm - - note to myself, next time I
have the engine out make two new engine mounts, i.e. the angle aluminium
pieces bolted directly to the engine sump, and shift the whole engine
back just a smidgen.
Out of curiosity I cut the old fuel pump open to check the state of the
diaphram. It still looks pretty good. There is clearly some
discolouration of the diaphragm, but it is still perfectly flexible. Of
course I can=92t compare it to a new one, but it still looked to have a
deal of life left in it.
Here=92s a pic of the disassembled unit.
Brian
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