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1. 02:47 AM - Re: Re: New Member Pulsar Builder (Simon)
2. 07:27 AM - Re: New Member Pulsar Builder (Yellowhammer)
3. 07:31 AM - Re: New Member Pulsar Builder (Yellowhammer)
4. 09:30 AM - Re: New Member Pulsar Builder (Eclat2)
5. 09:59 AM - Re: Re: New Member Pulsar Builder (N3300P)
6. 11:58 AM - 912 for sale (Bernard Wilder)
7. 12:41 PM - Re: 912 for sale (George Gennuso)
8. 01:30 PM - Re: 912 for sale (N3300P)
9. 04:06 PM - Re: Re: New Member Pulsar Builder (chuck Van Thomme)
10. 04:41 PM - Pulsar 582 Ramp Weight (donnc@inebraska.com)
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| Subject: | Re: New Member Pulsar Builder |
Re fin cracking: I used the composite fin spar and omitted the uni reinforce
d bulkhead,linking down to the bottom of the fuselage is a much better engin
eering solution ,the standard build can only be as strong as the bond betwee
n the various skin layers and the core material, which when you work with th
e bulkheads etc you'll find can be peeled of quite easily.
Sent from my iPad
> On 23 Jan 2019, at 20:29, N3300P <n3300p@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Clyde,
> Years ago I started a yahoo Pulsar Group and there were lots of good files
and pictures on it. I just checked and it is still there although inactive.
You might want to take a look as there is some good info there
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/PulsarBuilders
> Let me know if you have any problems logging into it
>
> Here are pictures of pulsars, articles and factory brochures
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/PulsarBuilders/photos/photostream
>
> Ned
>
> On Jan 23, 2019, at 2:19 PM, N3300P <n3300p@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Clyde,
> I=99d like to contribute but my files are hard to get to and it
=99s been several years since I sold my kit. I do recall some 582 kits being
converted to 912. Initially, I think there were few upgrades but as has bee
n pointed out over some time changes were made like additional plies of fibe
rglass on certain areas of the fuselage. I want to say that two plies of 9 o
unce were added around the cockpit sides and some uni like tapes were added t
o the forward sides...but don=99t quite trust those old brain cells...
need to find my notes. After several 912=99s were flying a cracking is
sue came up where the vertical attaches to the fuselage and additional plies
were called for there. This was beefed up again with the Pulsar II / III wi
th the spar in the vertical stabilizer extended to reach and be bonded to th
e floor of the fuselage. The reason discovered for the cracking was because t
he 912 starter produced a jerk with its increased starter torque which ended
in the tail shaking the vertical side to side causing the cracking.
>
> The composite spars as I recall were developed for the 912 kit and with ti
me were used in all the kits. I actually have a spare composite wing skin. N
ot sure if just one side like the top or bottom or one side both top and bot
tom...have to check.
>
> I have a complete 912 firewall forward with cowls radiators etc. I have a j
abiru 2200 mount and cowls. Wheel pants and other Pulsar stuff all in deep s
torage....and haven=99t completely given up on building a Pulsar somed
ay myself....
>
> Gregg Smith converted from a 582 to a 2200 and I believe there is a video w
here he discusses this at length...https://youtu.be/reIlSdj0xOg
>
> I think it is the perfect replacement for the 582 two cycle, it not having
gear reduction and sounds more like an aircraft than a mixer;)
>
> If you are able to talk to Mark Brown he would prolly be the best source o
f how your serial number was built as in schedule of plies and such and with
figuring out how to upgrade if needed for the 912.
>
> Don=99t get big like I did while building my Pulsar else you will fi
nd the plane shrunk and you barely can get into it...
>
> I=99ll try and find my notes and get back but it may take some time
> Best of luck,
> Ned
>
> On Jan 23, 2019, at 1:46 PM, Yellowhammer <coyler@sthpk-12.net> wrote:
>
>
> Fellow Member's,
>
> First, I want to thank each and every one who has replied to my questions.
I am so blessed to have found such a group of people that are as willing to
help as you all have been!
>
> I tried to respond to each one of your posts but somehow I was not allowed
to do it so I am responding to everyone with this reply.
>
> First of all thank you to each of you that have replied to my questions. N
o words could express my gratitude.
>
> Engine Selection:
>
> I will only be installing an approved engine. That will be the Rotax 582 a
t this point unless there is a miracle out there I don't know about.
>
>
> Spar:
>
> My Spar is a composite.
> (The gentleman I acquired the kit from i a retired F-16 and Delta Airlines
pilot. He completed less than 10 percent of the build.
> Basically all he had done was join the fuselage halves, cut all the bulkhe
ads, and completed the Vertical Stabilizer.).
> I have checked for any defects personally and have determined the spars bo
th fit for service.
>
> Wing Skins:
>
> I have the wooden Wing Skins.
>
> Ribs:
> Blue type but will substitute for the brown type (clegicell).
>
> Landing Gear Configuration:
> I will be employing the Tricycle type.
>
> Nose Gear:
>
> I will not be using the stock nose gear. I have read too many horror stori
es about them and one member suggested that I contact Kitfox as a reliable s
ubstitute and the member also said that it would be most difficult to find t
he later design the Aero Designs began to use.
> Any thoughts on this subject will be most appreciated!
>
> Re: Sonja Englert:
>
> I have spoken with Ms./Mrs. Englert on two occasions via email regarding t
he conversion to the 912. She has told me the same thing and I value and res
pect her input as well.
>
> Note:
>
> I will be following the plans so I can build with confidence! I have recei
ved some VERY valuable and useful information regarding some additional thin
gs some builders have done to their Pulsar's and I am very happy to have bee
n educated on these matters.
>
> More Question's:
>
> Does anyone know the size limits or limitations of the add on windows I ha
ve seen most Pulsar builders incorporate over the baggage compartment?
>
> I would certainly like to make them as large as the design will allow. I a
m very ignorant on the subject and all the information I have gathered have b
een through the years of Pulsar Newsletters I acquired along with my kit.
>
> The main reason I would like to install the largest windows allowable is f
or added visibility. I learned to fly in the Evektor Sportstar which has the
best visibility of any aircraft I have ever flown in making clearing turns a
non issue.
>
> Any and all thoughts, words, of wisdom, and or guidance will certainly be a
ppreciated.
>
> Again, Thaks to everyone for their support and willingness to take the tim
e to help me out!
>
> Clyde Oyler
> "Yellowhammer"
>
> --------
> J.M. Oyler
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487210#487210
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| Subject: | Re: New Member Pulsar Builder |
pilot623(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Yellowhammer,
>
> Where are you located?
>
> Jim
>
> --
Mr. Jim,
I am located in Franklinton, Louisiana. About 50 mies due north of New Orleans.
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| Subject: | Re: New Member Pulsar Builder |
n3300p(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Here is the Aero Designs original marketing video
> https://youtu.be/y8laPh_Sw1k (https://youtu.be/y8laPh_Sw1k)
>
> On Jan 23, 2019, at 2:32 PM, N3300P wrote:
>
>
>
> Example of a picture on the old yahoo site this of a support gusset for countering
the starter torque caused cracking
> [img]cid:4D391576-4115-4BD9-BA20-4D9A840756F2[/img]
>
> On Jan 23, 2019, at 2:29 PM, N3300P wrote:
>
>
>
> Clyde,
> Years ago I started a yahoo Pulsar Group and there were lots of good files and
pictures on it. I just checked and it is still there although inactive. You
might want to take a look as there is some good info there
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/PulsarBuilders (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/PulsarBuilders/files)
> Let me know if you have any problems logging into it
>
>
> Here are pictures of pulsars, articles and factory brochures
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/PulsarBuilders/photos/photostream (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/PulsarBuilders/photos/photostream)
>
>
> Ned
>
> On Jan 23, 2019, at 2:19 PM, N3300P wrote:
>
>
> Clyde,
> Id like to contribute but my files are hard to get to and its been several years
since I sold my kit. I do recall some 582 kits being converted to 912. Initially,
I think there were few upgrades but as has been pointed out over some
time changes were made like additional plies of fiberglass on certain areas of
the fuselage. I want to say that two plies of 9 ounce were added around the cockpit
sides and some uni like tapes were added to the forward sides...but dont
quite trust those old brain cells...need to find my notes. After several 912s
were flying a cracking issue came up where the vertical attaches to the fuselage
and additional plies were called for there. This was beefed up again with
the Pulsar II / III with the spar in the vertical stabilizer extended to reach
and be bonded to the floor of the fuselage. The reason discovered for the cracking
was because the 912 starter produced a jerk with its increased starter
torque which ended in the tail shaking the vertical side to side causing the cracking.
>
> The composite spars as I recall were developed for the 912 kit and with time
were used in all the kits. I actually have a spare composite wing skin. Not sure
if just one side like the top or bottom or one side both top and bottom...have
to check.
>
> I have a complete 912 firewall forward with cowls radiators etc. I have a jabiru
2200 mount and cowls. Wheel pants and other Pulsar stuff all in deep storage....and
havent completely given up on building a Pulsar someday myself....
>
> Gregg Smith converted from a 582 to a 2200 and I believe there is a video where
he discusses this at length...https://youtu.be/reIlSdj0xOg (https://youtu.be/reIlSdj0xOg)
>
> I think it is the perfect replacement for the 582 two cycle, it not having gear
reduction and sounds more like an aircraft than a mixer;)
>
> If you are able to talk to Mark Brown he would prolly be the best source of how
your serial number was built as in schedule of plies and such and with figuring
out how to upgrade if needed for the 912.
>
> Dont get big like I did while building my Pulsar else you will find the plane
shrunk and you barely can get into it...
>
> Ill try and find my notes and get back but it may take some time
> Best of luck,
> Ned
>
> On Jan 23, 2019, at 1:46 PM, Yellowhammer wrote:
>
>
> Fellow Member's,
>
> First, I want to thank each and every one who has replied to my questions. I
am so blessed to have found such a group of people that are as willing to help
as you all have been!
>
> I tried to respond to each one of your posts but somehow I was not allowed to
do it so I am responding to everyone with this reply.
>
> First of all thank you to each of you that have replied to my questions. No words
could express my gratitude.
>
> Engine Selection:
>
> I will only be installing an approved engine. That will be the Rotax 582 at this
point unless there is a miracle out there I don't know about.
>
>
> Spar:
>
> My Spar is a composite.
> (The gentleman I acquired the kit from i a retired F-16 and Delta Airlines pilot.
He completed less than 10 percent of the build.
> Basically all he had done was join the fuselage halves, cut all the bulkheads,
and completed the Vertical Stabilizer.).
> I have checked for any defects personally and have determined the spars both
fit for service.
>
> Wing Skins:
>
> I have the wooden Wing Skins.
>
> Ribs:
> Blue type but will substitute for the brown type (clegicell).
>
> Landing Gear Configuration:
> I will be employing the Tricycle type.
>
> Nose Gear:
>
> I will not be using the stock nose gear. I have read too many horror stories
about them and one member suggested that I contact Kitfox as a reliable substitute
and the member also said that it would be most difficult to find the later
design the Aero Designs began to use.
> Any thoughts on this subject will be most appreciated!
>
> Re: Sonja Englert:
>
> I have spoken with Ms./Mrs. Englert on two occasions via email regarding the
conversion to the 912. She has told me the same thing and I value and respect
her input as well.
>
> Note:
>
> I will be following the plans so I can build with confidence! I have received
some VERY valuable and useful information regarding some additional things some
builders have done to their Pulsar's and I am very happy to have been educated
on these matters.
>
> More Question's:
>
> Does anyone know the size limits or limitations of the add on windows I have
seen most Pulsar builders incorporate over the baggage compartment?
>
> I would certainly like to make them as large as the design will allow. I am very
ignorant on the subject and all the information I have gathered have been
through the years of Pulsar Newsletters I acquired along with my kit.
>
> The main reason I would like to install the largest windows allowable is for
added visibility. I learned to fly in the Evektor Sportstar which has the best
visibility of any aircraft I have ever flown in making clearing turns a non issue.
>
> Any and all thoughts, words, of wisdom, and or guidance will certainly be appreciated.
>
> Again, Thaks to everyone for their support and willingness to take the time to
help me out!
>
> Clyde Oyler
> "Yellowhammer"
>
> --------
> J.M. Oyler
>
> I have tried and tried to access and join the yahoo group but to no avail,
> Any help with that would be appreciated.
> Thanks for all for your help!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487210#487210 (http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487210#487210)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Member Pulsar Builder |
n3300p(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Years ago I started a yahoo Pulsar Group and there were lots of good files and
pictures on it. I just checked and it is still there although inactive. You
might want to take a look as there is some good info there
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/PulsarBuilders (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/PulsarBuilders/files)
> Let me know if you have any problems logging into it
"PulsarBuilders" on YahooGroups is non-responsive. The main page as well as the
Files, Photos and Conversations tabs all reply with a blank screen and, "Oops!
You need to be a member to perform this action." But the blank screen provides
no option for subscribing/ joining. If you're the group owner, is there
something you can do to kick-start it.
"Pulsar Aviators" on YahooGroups is still operational. I just now logged in for
a browse, and it's all there.
Regards,
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: New Member Pulsar Builder |
Hi Tim,
I attempted to make it a public group but it wasn=99t allowed. It did c
hange from private to Restricted which should make it a bit easier to access
. We had a lot of trouble with spam back then and that is why it became a pr
ivate group. I=99ll work with y=99all to get the files and pictu
res copied out then prolly just delete it in the near future. Lots of good i
nfo to be shared there
Please try again and ask to become a member and I=99ll try and prospec
ts ASAP
Thanks for bringing it to my attention,
Ned
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/PulsarBuilders
On Jan 24, 2019, at 11:29 AM, Eclat2 <TSEngel@comcast.net> wrote:
n3300p(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Years ago I started a yahoo Pulsar Group and there were lots of good files
and pictures on it. I just checked and it is still there although inactive.
You might want to take a look as there is some good info there
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/PulsarBuilders (https://groups.yahoo.c
om/neo/groups/PulsarBuilders/files)
> Let me know if you have any problems logging into it
"PulsarBuilders" on YahooGroups is non-responsive. The main page as well a
s the Files, Photos and Conversations tabs all reply with a blank screen and
, "Oops! You need to be a member to perform this action." But the blank sc
reen provides no option for subscribing/ joining. If you're the group owne
r, is there something you can do to kick-start it.
"Pulsar Aviators" on YahooGroups is still operational. I just now logged i
n for a browse, and it's all there.
Regards,
Tim
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I have asperations of electrifying my Pulsar XP. I have pulled the engine
and everything associated with it. That is, the oil sump, radiator, oil
cooler, fuel selector valve, fuel filter, condenser fuel cell level
sensors, fuel gauge, voltage regulator, mufflers, exhaust pipes, carbs and
air filters, EIS system and all sensors, auxiliary electric fuel pump, fuel
filter, everything associated with the 912 which has 700 hours on it.
All above for sale as a package for $8,000.00
When I stopped flying 390XP I didn't have the heart to sell it. I pulled
the wings and put it in my garage where it was born. I liked looking at
it. After a year or so I realized I needed an excuse for keeping it. Hence
the electrification project.
Stripped of the 912 and every thing related to it I think the bare air
frame weighs a little less than 500 pounds. About a 50 KVA motor should do
it. I am now researching and searching for the right combination of motor,
controller and batteries for the job. Not getting very far. Am going to
S-n-F to talk to whomever will listen.
I have a repairman's certificate so when I find what I need I will do a
simple powerplant switch, put the wings back on and go flying. Simple,, no
? ? ? Probably no. But I will face that when it comes up,,, if I ever get
that far.
Bernie Wilder
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| Subject: | Re: 912 for sale |
Hi Bernard, I have a Pulsar 582 and I would also like to use an electric m
otor. I have done some research Trying to find a suitable electric motor, c
ontroller and batteries. I contacted Chip W Erwin of Aeromarine who is sayi
ng he has a combination that will work. BUT, I gave him a small deposit to
get a position in line to purchase his electric system and have not heard f
rom him in many many months. I would be very interested in what you find in
your search.=C2-ThanksGeorge
On Thursday, January 24, 2019, 12:05:56 PM PST, Bernard Wilder <bernard
.wilder2@gmail.com> wrote:
I have asperations of electrifying my Pulsar XP. I have pulled the engine
and everything associated with it. That is, the oil sump, radiator, oil coo
ler, fuel selector valve, fuel filter, condenser fuel cell level sensors, f
uel gauge, voltage regulator, mufflers, exhaust pipes, carbs and air filter
s, EIS system and all sensors, auxiliary electric fuel pump, fuel filter, e
verything associated with the 912=C2- which has 700 hours on it.
All above for sale as a package for $8,000.00=C2-
When I stopped flying 390XP I didn't have the heart to sell it.=C2- I pul
led the wings and put it in my garage where it was born.=C2- I liked look
ing at it.=C2- After a year or so I realized I needed an excuse for keepi
ng it. Hence the electrification project.=C2-
Stripped of the 912 and every thing related to it I think the bare air fram
e weighs a little less than 500 pounds. About a 50 KVA motor should do it.
I am now researching and searching for the right combination of motor, cont
roller and batteries for the job.=C2- Not=C2- getting very far. Am goin
g to S-n-F to talk to whomever will listen.
I have a repairman's=C2- certificate so when I find what I need I will do
a simple powerplant switch, put the wings back on and go flying. Simple,,
no ? ? ? =C2- Probably no. But I will face that when it comes up,,, if I
ever get that far.
Bernie Wilder
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| Subject: | Re: 912 for sale |
Hi Bernie,
I may be interested in your 912 and Pulsar stuff. Where is the engine locates?
Im curious if there would be any chance of shipping if it is far from Oklahoma?
Thank you,
Ned
On Jan 24, 2019, at 1:56 PM, Bernard Wilder <bernard.wilder2@gmail.com> wrote:
I have asperations of electrifying my Pulsar XP. I have pulled the engine and everything
associated with it. That is, the oil sump, radiator, oil cooler, fuel
selector valve, fuel filter, condenser fuel cell level sensors, fuel gauge,
voltage regulator, mufflers, exhaust pipes, carbs and air filters, EIS system
and all sensors, auxiliary electric fuel pump, fuel filter, everything associated
with the 912 which has 700 hours on it.
All above for sale as a package for $8,000.00
When I stopped flying 390XP I didn't have the heart to sell it. I pulled the wings
and put it in my garage where it was born. I liked looking at it. After
a year or so I realized I needed an excuse for keeping it. Hence the electrification
project.
Stripped of the 912 and every thing related to it I think the bare air frame weighs
a little less than 500 pounds. About a 50 KVA motor should do it. I am now
researching and searching for the right combination of motor, controller and
batteries for the job. Not getting very far. Am going to S-n-F to talk to whomever
will listen.
I have a repairman's certificate so when I find what I need I will do a simple
powerplant switch, put the wings back on and go flying. Simple,, no ? ? ? Probably
no. But I will face that when it comes up,,, if I ever get that far.
Bernie Wilder
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| Subject: | Re: New Member Pulsar Builder |
I joined the Yahoo Pulsar Group about 3 months ago.=C2- Its the BEST thi
ng I've ever done.=C2- There is new info there every day.=C2- Tons of p
ictures./=C2- Lots of conversation , and all the Manuals, Service Bulleti
ns , and everything you would ever want to know about a Pulsar.=C2- If yo
u own a Pulsar, it is a must to join.=C2- Go to the site.=C2- Scroll to
bottom , and click on SUBSCRIBE
On =8EThursday=8E, =8EJanuary=8E =8E24
=8E, =8E2019=8E =8E12=8E:=8E40=8E:
=8E01=8E =8EPM=8E =8EEST, Eclat2 <TSEngel@com
cast.net> wrote:
n3300p(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Years ago I started a yahoo Pulsar Group and there were lots of good file
s and pictures on it. I just checked and it is still there although inactiv
e. You might want to take a look as there is some good info there
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/PulsarBuilders (https://groups.yahoo.
com/neo/groups/PulsarBuilders/files)
> Let me know if you have any problems logging into it
"PulsarBuilders" on YahooGroups is non-responsive.=C2- The main page as w
ell as the Files, Photos and Conversations tabs all reply with a blank scre
en and, "Oops! You need to be a member to perform this action."=C2- But t
he blank screen provides no option for subscribing/ joining.=C2- If you'r
e the group owner, is there something you can do to kick-start it.
"Pulsar Aviators" on YahooGroups is still operational.=C2- I just now log
ged in for a browse, and it's all there.
Regards,
Tim
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| Subject: | Pulsar 582 Ramp Weight |
Hello Matronics members,
Haven't found the ramp weight for the Pulsar 582 engine yet. Obviously,
some of that would depend on which of the several gearbox extensions
were used. The combined weight of the engine and the particular gearbox
used varies considerably. Rotax says the dry weight is approximately 110
lbs. Does anyone have any additional information concerning the wet
weight on the ramp Pulsar 582? Surprisingly, Zenith Aircraft has stated
in their alternate engine literature the ramp weight of the Rotax 582
and the Rotax 912 are the same. Can anyone attest to that? Thanks for
considering my inquiry. Donn C
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