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1. 07:48 AM - Re: 912 for sale (Otto Souta)
2. 09:41 AM - Re: 912 for sale (N3300P)
3. 10:55 AM - Re: 912 for sale (Lance Goddard)
4. 04:58 PM - Re: 912 for sale (mike mccann)
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| Subject: | Re: 912 for sale |
Hi Bernie,
I admire your decision, you are brave man. I am in a small way into EV, I
build e-bikes and scooters, Li-ion batteries etc. On the surface it looks
simple, but... have look at the Pipistrel electric. You will need very deep
pockets, and even when you succeed, you will end up with 1 hour flying time
with long time between recharges. There is much more than meets the eye,
apart from the motor, controller, BMS, battery and charger. There are huge
currents and voltages involved, smallest accident can end up in huge fire
and meltdown. I know, I melted my Breitling titanium bracelet on the LI-ion
battery.
I think, for our Pulsars the Rotax 912/S is still the best option,
lightweight, powerful, reasonably reliable and cheap, even when Rotax spare
parts are rip-off.
Please don't think of me as a spoil sport, before you embark on it, build
an e-bike to see in a small scale what is involved.
best
otto
OK NAZ 20
[image: Pulsar1.jpg]
On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 at 21:28, N3300P <n3300p@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Bernie,
> I may be interested in your 912 and Pulsar stuff. Where is the engine
> locates? I=99m curious if there would be any chance of shipping if
it is far
> from Oklahoma?
> Thank you,
> Ned
>
> On Jan 24, 2019, at 1:56 PM, Bernard Wilder <bernard.wilder2@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I have asperations of electrifying my Pulsar XP. I have pulled the engine
> and everything associated with it. That is, the oil sump, radiator, oil
> cooler, fuel selector valve, fuel filter, condenser fuel cell level
> sensors, fuel gauge, voltage regulator, mufflers, exhaust pipes, carbs an
d
> air filters, EIS system and all sensors, auxiliary electric fuel pump, fu
el
> filter, everything associated with the 912 which has 700 hours on it.
>
> All above for sale as a package for $8,000.00
>
> When I stopped flying 390XP I didn't have the heart to sell it. I pulled
> the wings and put it in my garage where it was born. I liked looking at
> it. After a year or so I realized I needed an excuse for keeping it. Hen
ce
> the electrification project.
>
> Stripped of the 912 and every thing related to it I think the bare air
> frame weighs a little less than 500 pounds. About a 50 KVA motor should d
o
> it. I am now researching and searching for the right combination of motor
,
> controller and batteries for the job. Not getting very far. Am going to
> S-n-F to talk to whomever will listen.
>
> I have a repairman's certificate so when I find what I need I will do a
> simple powerplant switch, put the wings back on and go flying. Simple,, n
o
> ? ? ? Probably no. But I will face that when it comes up,,, if I ever g
et
> that far.
>
> Bernie Wilder
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| Subject: | Re: 912 for sale |
Hi Otto,
I=99m with you on electrification especially concerning airplanes. Wit
hout government subsidies the electrification of cars would not be able to c
ompete with gasoline cars. There has been decades of indoctrination concerni
ng =9Cgreen=9D but electricity does not come close to competing w
ith the energy one can get from a gallon of gasoline. In the U.S. 70% of our
electrical power is produced by hydrocarbons so when one steps back to look
at the overall effect electric cars provide no =9Cgreen=9D bene
fit over gas power. This may change when oil runs out but that date has been
predicted for a hundred years and the petroleum industry just keeps finding
more reserves!
It=99s a bit of a novelty and by all means if one Bernie wants to do i
t I say by all means pursue your hobby. But as far as practical flying goes i
t=99s not....
Best regards,
Ned
On Jan 26, 2019, at 9:46 AM, Otto Souta <otto@otamat.com> wrote:
Hi Bernie,
I admire your decision, you are brave man. I am in a small way into EV, I bu
ild e-bikes and scooters, Li-ion batteries etc. On the surface it looks simp
le, but... have look at the Pipistrel electric. You will need very deep pock
ets, and even when you succeed, you will end up with 1 hour flying time with
long time between recharges. There is much more than meets the eye, apart f
rom the motor, controller, BMS, battery and charger. There are huge currents
and voltages involved, smallest accident can end up in huge fire and meltdo
wn. I know, I melted my Breitling titanium bracelet on the LI-ion battery.
I think, for our Pulsars the Rotax 912/S is still the best option, lightweig
ht, powerful, reasonably reliable and cheap, even when Rotax spare parts are
rip-off.
Please don't think of me as a spoil sport, before you embark on it, build an
e-bike to see in a small scale what is involved.
best
otto
OK NAZ 20
> On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 at 21:28, N3300P <n3300p@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Bernie,
> I may be interested in your 912 and Pulsar stuff. Where is the engine loca
tes? I=99m curious if there would be any chance of shipping if it is f
ar from Oklahoma?
> Thank you,
> Ned
>
> On Jan 24, 2019, at 1:56 PM, Bernard Wilder <bernard.wilder2@gmail.com> wr
ote:
>
> I have asperations of electrifying my Pulsar XP. I have pulled the engine a
nd everything associated with it. That is, the oil sump, radiator, oil coole
r, fuel selector valve, fuel filter, condenser fuel cell level sensors, fuel
gauge, voltage regulator, mufflers, exhaust pipes, carbs and air filters, E
IS system and all sensors, auxiliary electric fuel pump, fuel filter, everyt
hing associated with the 912 which has 700 hours on it.
>
> All above for sale as a package for $8,000.00
>
> When I stopped flying 390XP I didn't have the heart to sell it. I pulled t
he wings and put it in my garage where it was born. I liked looking at it.
After a year or so I realized I needed an excuse for keeping it. Hence the e
lectrification project.
>
> Stripped of the 912 and every thing related to it I think the bare air fra
me weighs a little less than 500 pounds. About a 50 KVA motor should do it. I
am now researching and searching for the right combination of motor, contro
ller and batteries for the job. Not getting very far. Am going to S-n-F to
talk to whomever will listen.
>
> I have a repairman's certificate so when I find what I need I will do a s
imple powerplant switch, put the wings back on and go flying. Simple,, no ? ?
? Probably no. But I will face that when it comes up,,, if I ever get tha
t far.
>
> Bernie Wilder
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| Subject: | Re: 912 for sale |
I=99m very sorely tempted to refute all of Ned=99s
statements, but instead will request that this forum remain dedicated to
the Pulsar airplane. There are many other forums more suitable for such
discussion and debate.
Lance Goddard
> On Jan 26, 2019, at 9:37 AM, N3300P <n3300p@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Otto,
> I=99m with you on electrification especially concerning
airplanes. Without government subsidies the electrification of cars
would not be able to compete with gasoline cars. There has been decades
of indoctrination concerning =9Cgreen=9D but electricity
does not come close to competing with the energy one can get from a
gallon of gasoline. In the U.S. 70% of our electrical power is produced
by hydrocarbons so when one steps back to look at the overall effect
electric cars provide no =9Cgreen=9D benefit over gas power.
This may change when oil runs out but that date has been predicted for a
hundred years and the petroleum industry just keeps finding more
reserves!
> It=99s a bit of a novelty and by all means if one Bernie wants
to do it I say by all means pursue your hobby. But as far as practical
flying goes it=99s not....
> Best regards,
> Ned
>
> On Jan 26, 2019, at 9:46 AM, Otto Souta <otto@otamat.com
<mailto:otto@otamat.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Bernie,
> I admire your decision, you are brave man. I am in a small way into
EV, I build e-bikes and scooters, Li-ion batteries etc. On the surface
it looks simple, but... have look at the Pipistrel electric. You will
need very deep pockets, and even when you succeed, you will end up with
1 hour flying time with long time between recharges. There is much more
than meets the eye, apart from the motor, controller, BMS, battery and
charger. There are huge currents and voltages involved, smallest
accident can end up in huge fire and meltdown. I know, I melted my
Breitling titanium bracelet on the LI-ion battery.
>
> I think, for our Pulsars the Rotax 912/S is still the best option,
lightweight, powerful, reasonably reliable and cheap, even when Rotax
spare parts are rip-off.
> Please don't think of me as a spoil sport, before you embark on it,
build an e-bike to see in a small scale what is involved.
> best
> otto
> OK NAZ 20
>
>
>
> On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 at 21:28, N3300P <n3300p@gmail.com
<mailto:n3300p@gmail.com>> wrote:
<mailto:n3300p@gmail.com>>
>
> Hi Bernie,
> I may be interested in your 912 and Pulsar stuff. Where is the engine
locates? I=99m curious if there would be any chance of shipping if
it is far from Oklahoma?
> Thank you,
> Ned
>
> On Jan 24, 2019, at 1:56 PM, Bernard Wilder <bernard.wilder2@gmail.com
<mailto:bernard.wilder2@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I have asperations of electrifying my Pulsar XP. I have pulled the
engine and everything associated with it. That is, the oil sump,
radiator, oil cooler, fuel selector valve, fuel filter, condenser fuel
cell level sensors, fuel gauge, voltage regulator, mufflers, exhaust
pipes, carbs and air filters, EIS system and all sensors, auxiliary
electric fuel pump, fuel filter, everything associated with the 912
which has 700 hours on it.
>
> All above for sale as a package for $8,000.00
>
> When I stopped flying 390XP I didn't have the heart to sell it. I
pulled the wings and put it in my garage where it was born. I liked
looking at it. After a year or so I realized I needed an excuse for
keeping it. Hence the electrification project.
>
> Stripped of the 912 and every thing related to it I think the bare air
frame weighs a little less than 500 pounds. About a 50 KVA motor should
do it. I am now researching and searching for the right combination of
motor, controller and batteries for the job. Not getting very far. Am
going to S-n-F to talk to whomever will listen.
>
> I have a repairman's certificate so when I find what I need I will do
a simple powerplant switch, put the wings back on and go flying.
Simple,, no ? ? ? Probably no. But I will face that when it comes
up,,, if I ever get that far.
>
> Bernie Wilder
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| Subject: | Re: 912 for sale |
Otto, don't have any comments on the electric plane issue, however, just
wanted to compliment you on the very nice looking Pulsar you're flying in
the photo. Appears to be silver in color...don't see many in that paint
scheme. Safe flying.
Mike McCann
Pulsar 1 - 582
RV9-A
On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 8:51 AM Otto Souta <otto@otamat.com> wrote:
> Hi Bernie,
> I admire your decision, you are brave man. I am in a small way into EV, I
> build e-bikes and scooters, Li-ion batteries etc. On the surface it looks
> simple, but... have look at the Pipistrel electric. You will need very de
ep
> pockets, and even when you succeed, you will end up with 1 hour flying ti
me
> with long time between recharges. There is much more than meets the eye,
> apart from the motor, controller, BMS, battery and charger. There are hug
e
> currents and voltages involved, smallest accident can end up in huge fire
> and meltdown. I know, I melted my Breitling titanium bracelet on the LI-i
on
> battery.
>
> I think, for our Pulsars the Rotax 912/S is still the best option,
> lightweight, powerful, reasonably reliable and cheap, even when Rotax spa
re
> parts are rip-off.
> Please don't think of me as a spoil sport, before you embark on it, build
> an e-bike to see in a small scale what is involved.
> best
> otto
> OK NAZ 20
>
> [image: Pulsar1.jpg]
>
> On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 at 21:28, N3300P <n3300p@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Bernie,
>> I may be interested in your 912 and Pulsar stuff. Where is the engine
>> locates? I=99m curious if there would be any chance of shipping if
it is far
>> from Oklahoma?
>> Thank you,
>> Ned
>>
>> On Jan 24, 2019, at 1:56 PM, Bernard Wilder <bernard.wilder2@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I have asperations of electrifying my Pulsar XP. I have pulled the engin
e
>> and everything associated with it. That is, the oil sump, radiator, oil
>> cooler, fuel selector valve, fuel filter, condenser fuel cell level
>> sensors, fuel gauge, voltage regulator, mufflers, exhaust pipes, carbs a
nd
>> air filters, EIS system and all sensors, auxiliary electric fuel pump, f
uel
>> filter, everything associated with the 912 which has 700 hours on it.
>>
>> All above for sale as a package for $8,000.00
>>
>> When I stopped flying 390XP I didn't have the heart to sell it. I pulle
d
>> the wings and put it in my garage where it was born. I liked looking at
>> it. After a year or so I realized I needed an excuse for keeping it. He
nce
>> the electrification project.
>>
>> Stripped of the 912 and every thing related to it I think the bare air
>> frame weighs a little less than 500 pounds. About a 50 KVA motor should
do
>> it. I am now researching and searching for the right combination of moto
r,
>> controller and batteries for the job. Not getting very far. Am going t
o
>> S-n-F to talk to whomever will listen.
>>
>> I have a repairman's certificate so when I find what I need I will do a
>> simple powerplant switch, put the wings back on and go flying. Simple,,
no
>> ? ? ? Probably no. But I will face that when it comes up,,, if I ever
get
>> that far.
>>
>> Bernie Wilder
>> ==========
>> ar-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pulsar-List
>> ==========
>> FORUMS -
>> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
>> ==========
>> WIKI -
>> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com
>> ==========
>> b Site -
>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributi
on
>> ==========
>>
>>
>>
>>
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