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UNSUBSCRIBE=0A=0A=0AJulio Salazar Cerda=0ANO TEMAS; SOLAMENTE TEN FE=0ASan
Lucas 8, 50=0A=9COnly when the last tree has died, the last river has
been poisoned, and the last fish has been caught will =0Awe realize we can
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--------=0A>=0A>=C2- =C2- 1. 01:40 PM - Re: 912ULS starts missing at c
ruise power=C2- (Phil)=0A>=C2- =C2- 2. 02:44 PM - Re: 912ULS starts
missing at cruise power=C2- (chris davis)=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>________________
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_=0A>=0A>=0A>Time: 01:40:14 PM PST US=0A>From: Phil <phactor9@yahoo.com>=0A
>Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: 912ULS starts missing at cruise power=0A>
=0A>You can test for ethanol laden gas (if you should ever doubt the source
you=0A>bought from) by adding 10% water to a small, tall, thin container o
f gas, =0A>shaking, and watching to see if the 10% mark increases.=0A>=0A>I
f the level of the water (at the bottom) stays the same, you have ethanol-
=0A>free gas. If it increases to, say, roughly 15%, that means you have 10%
alc=0A>ohol in the gas - I read that in a test like this, only half the et
hanol wi=0A>ll "disolved down into the water; the other 5% will stay suspen
ded in the g=0A>as.=0A>=0A>Phil H=0A>FF11-4-00076; still building=0A>CRE mz
201 626cc=0A>maiden voyage hopefully the first week of May.=0A>=0A>=0A>---
On Wed, 4/25/12, bjones@dmv.com <bjones@dmv.com> wrote:=0A>=0A>From: bjones
@dmv.com <bjones@dmv.com>=0A>Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: 912ULS starts
missing at cruise power=0A>=0A>=0A>Someone with technical expertise might o
ffer comments on the risk of phase=0A>seperation of ethanol and water from
mo gas with a big decrease in temp at=0A>altitude.=0A>When I have experienc
ed phase seperation, the full ten percent (roughly)=0A>of the fuel that is
ethanol & water settled to the bottom of the tanks and=0A>the engines would
not run on the settleout. So the idea of a little bit of=0A>settleout does
not fit my experience.=0A>Love to hear from someone in the fuel science in
dustry.=0A>My prevetive measure is to use ethanol free auto gas from marina
's and by=0A>checking puregas.com when traveling to find gas stations with
ethanol free=0A>gas.=0A>BJ=0A>Kitfox IV 912=0A>old fiberglass tanks so can
not use gasahol=0A>=0A>> <jason@trek-tech.com>=0A>>=0A>> I though I might t
hrow this out for the group to ponder.- I was out fly=0A>ing=0A>> yesterday
and I had just leveled off at 8500 feet when the engine started=0A>> to mi
ss.- I reduced power (to 5000) and the miss went away.- Increase=0A>> power
again and it was back.- I pulled the power back and went the long=0A>> saf
e way around the mountains instead of over as I had intended.- When =0A>I
=0A>> got closer to home, I could run the engine at extended high power and
no=0A>> miss.- The miss is just like when I discovered some water in the f
loat=0A>> bowls.- My theory is that when I climbed to 8500ft, the temperatu
re was=0A>a=0A>> full 40 degrees less than- when I took off and that caused
water to=0A>> condense out of the fuel.- When I got close to home, the tem
perature wa=0A>s=0A>> 80 degrees and the water went back in solution and th
e problem went away.=0A>> I am using premium mo gas with 10 percent ethanol
.=0A>>=0A>> Jason=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> Read this topic online here:=0A>>=0A>> htt
p://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=371723#371723=0A>>=0A>>=0A>=0A>
=0A>le, List Admin.=0A>=0A>=0A>________________________________=C2- Messa
ge 2=C2- _____________________________________=0A>=0A>=0A>Time: 02:44:27
PM PST US=0A>From: chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com>=0A>Subject: Re: RotaxE
ngines-List: 912ULS starts missing at cruise power=0A>=0A>Phil Your buildin
g is going well if you are going to fly the first-week o=0A>f may! Good luc
k hope that 201 is a smooth strong runner=0AChris Davis=0AKX=0A>P 503 4
92 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly=0A=0A
=0A>=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Phil <phactor9@yahoo.co
m>=0ATo:=0A>rotaxengines-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, April 26
, 2012 4:37 PM=0A>=0ASubject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: 912ULS starts missin
g at cruise power=0A=0A>=0AYou can test for ethanol laden gas (if you s
hould ever doubt the source =0A>you bought from) by adding 10% water to a s
mall, tall, thin container of ga=0A>s, shaking, and watching to see if the
10% mark increases.=0A=0AIf the leve=0A>l of the water (at the bottom)
stays the same, you have ethanol-free gas. I=0A>f it increases to, say, rou
ghly 15%, that means you have 10% alcohol in the=0A>gas - I read that in a
test like this, only half the ethanol will "disolve=0A>d down into the wate
r; the other 5% will stay suspended in the gas.=0A=0APh=0A>il H=0AFF1
1-4-00076; still building=0ACRE mz201 626cc=0Amaiden voyage hopef=0A>ul
ly the first week of May.=0A=0A=0A=0A--- On Wed, 4/25/12, bjones@dm
v.com =0A><bjones@dmv.com> wrote:=0A=0A=0A>From: bjones@dmv.com <bjon
es@dmv.com>=0A>S=0A>ubject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: 912ULS starts missing
at cruise power=0A>To:=0A>rotaxengines-list@matronics.com=0A>Date: Wedn
esday, April 25, 2012, 10:42 =0A>e with technical expertise might offer com
ments on the risk of phaseseperat=0A>ion of ethanol and water from mo gas w
ith a big decrease in temp ataltitude=0A>.When I have experienced phase sep
eration, the full ten percent (roughly)of=0A>the fuel that is ethanol & wat
er settled to the bottom of the tanks andthe=0A>engines would not run on th
e settleout. So the idea of a little bit ofsett=0A>leout does not fit my ex
perience.Love to hear from someone in the fuel scie=0A>nce industry.My prev
etive measure is to use ethanol free auto gas from mari=0A>na's and bycheck
ing puregas.com when traveling to find gas stations with et=0A>hanol freega
s.BJKitfox IV 912old fiberglass tanks so can not use gasahol> -=0A>.com>>>
I though I might throw this out for the group to ponder.- I was o=0A>ut fly
ing> yesterday and I had just leveled off at 8500 feet when the engin=0A>e
=0A>started> to miss.- I reduced power (to 5000) and the miss went away.-
=0A>Increase> power again and it was back.- I pulled the power back and wen
t =0A>the long> safe way around the mountains instead of over as I had inte
nded.=0A>- When I> got closer to home, I could run the engine at extended h
igh pow=0A>er and no> miss.- The miss is just like when I discovered some w
ater in t=0A>he float> bowls.- My theory is that when I climbed to 8500ft,
the tempera=0A>ture was a> full 40 degrees less than- when I took off and t
hat caused wa=0A>ter to> condense out of the fuel.- When I got close to hom
e, the temperat=0A>ure was> 80 degrees and the water went back in solution
and the problem wen=0A>t away.> I am using premium mo gas with 10 percent e
thanol.>> Jason>>>>> Re=0A>ad this topic online here:>> http://forums.matro
nics.com/viewtopic.php?p==0A>371723#371723>>>>>>> http://www.matronics.co
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