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1. 01:56 AM - Re: Website / Builder Log Template (Nick N)
2. 02:56 AM - Re: Back to "RV" based debates (Nick N)
3. 04:15 AM - Re: Checkerboarding experiment (LarryRobertHelming)
4. 05:09 AM - Moving an RV (Fesenbek, Gary)
5. 05:33 AM - Re: Checkerboarding experiment (Steven Eberhart)
6. 06:18 AM - Re: Microair 760 VHF users (P M Condon)
7. 06:21 AM - Re: Checkerboarding experiment (John Huft)
8. 06:42 AM - Re: Checkerboarding experiment (Greg Young)
9. 06:43 AM - Re: Back to "RV" based debates (Bill VonDane)
10. 07:12 AM - Re: Back to "RV" based debates (Brian Denk)
11. 07:12 AM - Re: Back to "RV" based debates (Scott Vanartsdalen)
12. 07:13 AM - Re: Checkerboarding experiment (Scott Vanartsdalen)
13. 07:21 AM - Re: Re: RV-10 Update (Brian Denk)
14. 07:28 AM - Re: Checkerboarding experiment (Ken Simmons)
15. 07:46 AM - Re: Back to "RV" based debates (John Starn)
16. 07:49 AM - Re: Back to "RV" based debates (C. Rabaut)
17. 07:50 AM - Re: Re: RV List: Back to "RV" based debates (C. Rabaut)
18. 07:59 AM - Dimpling Stainless (terence.gannon@telus.net)
19. 08:07 AM - Re: Checkerboarding experiment (Dana Overall)
20. 08:15 AM - Re: Dimpling Stainless (Abwaldal@aol.com)
21. 08:28 AM - Re: Dimpling Stainless (Jaye and Scott Jackson)
22. 08:33 AM - Happy Birdie, Henry! (Ken Brooks)
23. 08:34 AM - Re: Checkerboarding experiment (Boyd C. Braem)
24. 08:38 AM - Re: Re: RV List: Back to "RV" based debates (RV_8 Pilot)
25. 09:06 AM - Re: Re: RV List: Back to "RV" based debates (C. Rabaut)
26. 09:06 AM - Re: Microair 760 VHF users (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
27. 09:33 AM - Re: Back to "RV" based debates (Jaye and Scott Jackson)
28. 09:42 AM - Re: Re: RV-10 Update (KostaLewis)
29. 09:46 AM - Fw: Microair 760 VHF users (Elsa & Henry)
30. 10:09 AM - Re: Re: RV-10 Update (Scott Vanartsdalen)
31. 10:28 AM - Re: Dimpling Stainless (HCRV6@aol.com)
32. 10:37 AM - Re: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out - Please Re ad) (Gonzalez, Manuel)
33. 11:13 AM - #8 FUEL TANK SCREWS + WAVEY METAL (Scott Bilinski)
34. 11:34 AM - Skymap IIIC (Bill VonDane)
35. 11:43 AM - Re: Microair 760 VHF users (Pat Perry)
36. 11:49 AM - Re: steenking batches!! (Greg Young)
37. 12:31 PM - Re: Microair 760 VHF users (Pat Perry)
38. 12:50 PM - Re: Skymap IIIC (Stein Bruch)
39. 12:50 PM - OT Quotation (was: Checkerboarding experiment) (Bill Dube)
40. 12:52 PM - Re: Microair 760 VHF users (Pat Perry)
41. 12:52 PM - Re:Enough now !! (Bert Forero)
42. 01:00 PM - Re: Dimpling Stainless (Elsa & Henry)
43. 01:09 PM - Re: Dimpling Stainless (terence.gannon@telus.net)
44. 01:35 PM - Re: Skymap IIIC (Scott Bilinski)
45. 02:15 PM - Re: Skymap IIIC (RGray67968@aol.com)
46. 02:17 PM - Re: Checkerboarding experiment-stinking update (Dana Overall)
47. 02:38 PM - Drilling stainless (was: Dimpling Stainless) (Bill Dube)
48. 02:52 PM - Re: Checkerboarding experiment (RW)
49. 02:53 PM - Re: Skymap IIIC (James E. Clark)
50. 04:13 PM - Re: Handy dictionary -- was Dimpling Stainless (Canyon)
51. 06:19 PM - Re: Checkerboarding experiment (James Freeman)
52. 07:06 PM - Badges (Paul Besing)
53. 07:25 PM - Re: Dimpling Stainless (Dave Bristol)
54. 07:27 PM - Re: Badges (sdavis12)
55. 07:51 PM - Re: Dimpling Stainless (Jim Norman)
56. 08:02 PM - Re: Rudder mounting (Allen Checca)
57. 09:19 PM - Re: Circuit Breakers (Curt Reimer)
58. 09:52 PM - Re: Rudder mounting (thomas a. sargent)
59. 10:56 PM - Extra wing tanks. (Rob W M Shipley)
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| Subject: | Website / Builder Log Template |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Nick N" <rvator@nicknaf.com>
As far as space goes, several listers have offered webspace on there
servers free of charge. I'm part of that crowd. :-) You can have as
much as you want (lets try not to get over 2 or 3 Gig shall we? :D )
Template? Don't have one, but might be able to figure something out
depending on what look you are shooting for.
Send me a email off-list if interested.
Nick
Lincoln, NE
rvator@nicknaf.com
www.nicknaf.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
tx_jayhawk@excite.com
Subject: RV-List: Website / Builder Log Template
--> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
Do Not Archive
Sorry for the somewhat off-topic post, but can anyone recommend a good
web "template" or freebie domain host with any significant space?
I have been "HTMLing it" manually through tables, and it is taking
longer than I have time for (i.e. website not getting updated). Are
most of the web-savvy users using frames with a pre-defined template?
Thanks for the help...trying to keep an accurate web log on the project.
Thanks,
Scott
Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com
The most personalized portal on the Web!
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| Subject: | Back to "RV" based debates |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Nick N" <rvator@nicknaf.com>
That's it. I'm convincing Doug he needs to adopt me. :-)
Nick
Lincoln, NE
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Rozendaal
Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
>
> Chuck,
>
> After twenty years of flying a supersonic jet fighter - the F-4G -,
the
> P-51 is small potatoes (can't believe I really had the nerve to type
that)
> :-) .
WHOA there big guy!!!!! Them is fightn' words!!!! "P-51 is small
potatoes"
you say!!!!!
Well you jump in that Rocket and you blast out here and we will do a
little
one V one......
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
RV-4 (and P-51 on weekends.....)
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| Subject: | Re: Checkerboarding experiment |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
I suggest Dana make the checkerboard pattern small, so small it is hard to
determine what it is until you get within 5 feet of it. It will be unique
as I can't say I have seen anyone else do that. You surely will get the
small checkerboard aware award or something at every flyin. And if you put
in the shadow effect so it looks like it is waved, you will be just about
guaranteed to get an aware award. I am jealous that I didn't do this first.
That could keep you busy for a few months or so while you wait for the fuse
kit to arrive. Do Not Archive.
Larry in Indiana, RV7 Tip-up O-360 3XG reserved.
Working on Canopy of Finish Kit
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Fesenbek, Gary" <Gary.Fesenbek@mkcorp.com>
I moved my partially completed RV6A from Ronaoke, VA to Dallas, TX. I
wound up getting a Ryder truck because of the fact that in my area they
were in much better shape and they didn't have wheel humps in the back.
The wheel humps really aren't a problem for the fuselage but it's
problematic for storing the wings. I left my airplane on the gear and
as another user mentioned put the engine on a tire to make the trip. I
think if you bring a lot of rope, carboard boxes and tiedowns you will
be fine. You can put blankets between stuff but I think putting
cardboard between the stuff works better. You can tape it into place a
little easier.
My drive was 17 hours and I rented the truck one way. I found a really
good coupon so I think I only paid something like $300 for the truck
with plenty enough mileage to make the trip.
Gary Fesenbek
RV6A
Dallas, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Checkerboarding experiment |
--> RV-List message posted by: Steven Eberhart <newtech@newtech.com>
Cool idea. My company's logo has a checkered flag like that
http://www.newtech.com
Dana, if you are interested I have the master artwork for the flag in a
.jpg file. I had the logo before Microsoft invented their flag so the
"hungry lawyers" shouldn't get involved :-) JD's don't eat their own do
they?
I also wonder how silk screening might work
Steve Eberhart
Just a bunch of aluminum out in the garage that will someday have the
tail number N14SE and go real fast
LarryRobertHelming wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
>
> I suggest Dana make the checkerboard pattern small, so small it is hard to
> determine what it is until you get within 5 feet of it. It will be unique
> as I can't say I have seen anyone else do that. You surely will get the
> small checkerboard aware award or something at every flyin. And if you put
> in the shadow effect so it looks like it is waved, you will be just about
> guaranteed to get an aware award. I am jealous that I didn't do this first.
>
> That could keep you busy for a few months or so while you wait for the fuse
> kit to arrive. Do Not Archive.
>
> Larry in Indiana, RV7 Tip-up O-360 3XG reserved.
> Working on Canopy of Finish Kit
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Microair 760 VHF users |
--> RV-List message posted by: P M Condon <pcondon@mitre.org>
I am unable to understand why changing a antenna solved your problems
?? "Radiating RF junk" is hardly your problem or a apt description of
the problem. An antenna is a radiating element, cut and matched to the
frequency you want to x-mit or receive on. As such, the antenna is a
passive element. Faulty connectors, bad coax, wrong coax, ground
problems I can understand. Was there any other replaced items, or
faults found to correctly identify your radio problem....???
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| Subject: | Checkerboarding experiment |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Huft" <aflyer@direcway.com>
How about going to the sign shop, and getting a checkerboard paint mask.
They have a cutter than works like a pen plotter, and should be able to cut
out a very accurate checkerboard. Buy two of them, apply one and paint one
color, then offset the other mask and paint the other color.
I did this with my N-number and "no-step" signs on my flaps and it worked
well.
Have fun, John Huft, RV8, Pagosa Springs, CO
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dana Overall
Subject: Re: RV-List: Checkerboarding experiment
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Imperfections..........we don't need no stinking imperfections (that is
except for that one non standard shop rivet head), you had to see Blazing
Saddles to know that statement:-).
BTW, the rudder is already primed........bring on the ideas you want me to
experiment with and I'll post the results.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
>From: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Checkerboarding experiment
>Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:18:07 -0600
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
>
>At 03:20 PM 4/30/2003, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> >
> >OK, gang here's your chance to try your ideas on rudder checkerboarding
>at
> >no expense too you.
>
> I would think that it would be fun to Alodine (Iridite) in a
>checkerboard pattern and leave the rest bare alclad (or very light
>Alodine.) Very lightweight. Should look very sharp.
>
> One could get fancy and do horizontal stripes in one light pass,
>then do vertical stripes in a second "coat" of Alodine. The final effect
>would have alternating dark and light Alodine squares, if you know what I
>mean.
>
> One could do something similar with "candy" type paint. Or one
>could overcoat with candy paint, letting the gold and silver pattern shine
>through.
>
>
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| Subject: | Checkerboarding experiment |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
Ahhh, but Blazing Saddles got the line from an old western who's title
eludes me (CRS again).
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
> Imperfections..........we don't need no stinking imperfections (that is
> except for that one non standard shop rivet head), you had to see Blazing
> Saddles to know that statement:-).
>
>
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Back to "RV" based debates |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
New tailwheel
Part Number = U TAIL WHEEL 6"
Price = $27.00
Nose Gear Tire
Part Number = U LAMB TIRE
Price = $25.00
Knowing that nose draggers are better than a$$ draggers..... PRICELESS!
8-)
-Bill VonDane - RV-8A
www.vondane.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Yeah, but tail wheels are cheaper to re-place than mains... so nah nah.
Chuck
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
>
> Oh yeah?! Well I can do wheel landings just as well as any A$$ dragger
out
> there! I may have a nose wheel, but it's rarely on the ground!
>
> -Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Back to "RV" based debates |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
>
>New tailwheel
>Part Number = U TAIL WHEEL 6"
>Price = $27.00
>
>Nose Gear Tire
>Part Number = U LAMB TIRE
>Price = $25.00
WHAT ABOUT THE TUBE?!???? Apples to apples ole boy!!! :)
>
Brian Denk
RV8...TAILwheel....until the RV-10....with girly nosewheel...then I start
squatting to pee too.
do NOT archive!
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| Subject: | Re: Back to "RV" based debates |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
That's okay Chuck, I think $2 is a small price to pay for the swagger we get to
walk with after we valt out of our taildraggers. :-)
Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com> wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane"
New tailwheel
Part Number = U TAIL WHEEL 6"
Price = $27.00
Nose Gear Tire
Part Number = U LAMB TIRE
Price = $25.00
Knowing that nose draggers are better than a$$ draggers..... PRICELESS!
8-)
-Bill VonDane - RV-8A
www.vondane.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "C. Rabaut"
Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut"
Yeah, but tail wheels are cheaper to re-place than mains... so nah nah.
Chuck
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill VonDane
Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane"
>
> Oh yeah?! Well I can do wheel landings just as well as any A$$ dragger
out
> there! I may have a nose wheel, but it's rarely on the ground!
>
> -Bill
--
RV-4
N311SV, FLYING!!
bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you
Luke 6:28, NAS
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| Subject: | Checkerboarding experiment |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Treasure of the Sierra Madre Batches?! We don't need no steenking batches!! (read
it out loud it will make more sense)
Greg Young <gyoung@cs-sol.com> wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young"
Ahhh, but Blazing Saddles got the line from an old western who's title
eludes me (CRS again).
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall"
>
> Imperfections..........we don't need no stinking imperfections (that is
> except for that one non standard shop rivet head), you had to see Blazing
> Saddles to know that statement:-).
>
>
do not archive
--
RV-4
N311SV, FLYING!!
bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you
Luke 6:28, NAS
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Update |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
-> RV-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
<bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
>Anybody got any idea what the little square hatch is in the top of the
>cabin? It's visible in multiple pictures and one of the windshield install
>pictures shows it with a hinged door.
>
I can only guess that it may be an air vent relief port...to allow full
airflow through the cabin when the eyeball vents are opened up. Don't want
those back seaters to get stuffy!
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV-10 in the future...maybe.
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| Subject: | Checkerboarding experiment |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
That would be "Treasure of Sierra Madre" with Humphry Bogart.
Ken
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Greg Young
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:42 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Checkerboarding experiment
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
>
> Ahhh, but Blazing Saddles got the line from an old western who's title
> eludes me (CRS again).
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Imperfections..........we don't need no stinking imperfections (that is
> > except for that one non standard shop rivet head), you had to
> see Blazing
> > Saddles to know that statement:-).
> >
> >
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Back to "RV" based debates |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
It was my understanding that the swagger (or stagger) came from the tail
wheel being implanted upon landing and the included "pucker" factor. They
don't call a "tail" wheel only because it's at the rear, opps there another
backside referance, opps ...dang I did it again. 8+) KABONG (GBA) Do Not
Archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Vanartsdalen" <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
> That's okay Chuck, I think $2 is a small price to pay for the swagger we
get to walk with after we valt out of our taildraggers. :-)
>
> Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com> wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill
VonDane"
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| Subject: | Re: Back to "RV" based debates |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Tom,
You "Wild Weasel" jockeys are just lookin' for a practical way to strap
a cruise missile to your a**es... Cuz' it would remind you of your stick
time in the F-4's. (don't pay any attention to me, I'm just jealous)
Chuck
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Gummo <t.gummo@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
>
> Chuck,
>
> After twenty years of flying a supersonic jet fighter - the F-4G -, the
> P-51 is small potatoes (can't believe I really had the nerve to type that)
> :-) .
>
> I took a novel approach. I started with a RV-4 tail kit. Had to fight
with
> my co-workers for several months about the Rocket but one hundred
hamburger
> flight to Bakersfield changed their minds and work on the rocket started.
>
> Flys great.
>
> Tom
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> >
> > John,
> >
> > I thought you "Rocket Scientists" started with a P-51 and cut it
down?
> > At least that's what the Bakersfield Bunch told me.
> >
> > Chuck
> > do not archive
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: John Starn <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rocket-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
> > >
> > > Regardless of where the third wheel is located its basic function is a
> > > "taxi/steering" wheel not part of the "landing" gear.
> > > As for the "hardest" to build you left out the RV "derivative" (Van's
> > quote
> > > from RVator) from Bakersfield, John Harmons HRII. You start with an
> RV-4
> > > and then get into some serious building to make it into a Rocket.
HRII
> > 115
> > > hrs N561FS. Waiting for the RV-10. KABONG (GBA) Do Not Archive
> > >
> > > > Oh yeah?! Well I can do wheel landings just as well as any A$$
> dragger
> > > out
> > > > there! I may have a nose wheel, but it's rarely on the ground!
> > > >
> > > > -Bill
> > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> > >
> > > > it, the RV-4 is the best, the sexiest, the hardest to build, and all
> the
> > > > Chuck
> > > > do not archive
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV List: Back to "RV" based debates |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Good one Dave!
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
> I agree that it's a lot harder to build and maintain a training wheel
airplane, but you "-A" builders did have a "CHOICE" and now you gotta pay.
It probably would have been easier to just learn how to fly! :-)
>
> Dave RV6, So Cal
> please, DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> Elsa & Henry wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry"
<elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
> >
> > Hey Chuck!
> > **The hardest to build---?? You tail draggers!! You are a spoilt bunch!
You plug in your gear legs into sockets conveniently provided in the engine
mount, you have unobstructed access to the bolts that hold the wing spars
and the RV-4 has a screwed in-panel nose skin for easy access behind the
instrument panel---etc, etc. I'd like to see you go through the contortions
us slow-build, non prepunched, RV-6A builders had to endure, like installing
and torquing the 76 bolts that hold the wing spars and the main gear leg
weldments to the main bulk-head with practically impossible access under the
weldments, and then crawl under the instrument sub-panel to buck the rivets
securing the nose-skin to the main longerons requiring butchered bucking
bars to reach the tight places!! Give me a break!
> >
> > Cheers!!-----Henry Hore
> >
> > > Just admit it, the RV-4 is the best, the sexiest, **(the hardest to
build,) and all the
> > >other RV's wish they were RV-4's (except for the RV-3's, they are like
the
> > >little brother of the RV-4).----
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Dimpling Stainless |
--> RV-List message posted by: terence.gannon@telus.net
'Listers -- in the plans, they call for all flush riveting all of the firewell
stiffeners etc., in order to provide a smooth surface to mount all of the FWF
items. I'm assuming that they expect you to dimple the stainless and machine
countersink the stiffeners etc. Being a much harder material, I'm assuming
that the stainless will beat the H-E-'double hockey sticks' out of those
rather pricey dimple dies. I was wondering what other's experience and/or
recommendations were in this regard. Thanks in advance for any advice...
Regards...
Terry in Calgary
RV-6 S/N 22414
"Firewall"
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| Subject: | Re: Checkerboarding experiment |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
I had the logo before Microsoft invented their flag so the
>"hungry lawyers" shouldn't get involved :-) JD's don't eat their own do
>they?
Nah, professional courtesy.
Keep em' coming, I'm going by the sign store today to lay out some different
designs.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Dimpling Stainless |
--> RV-List message posted by: Abwaldal@aol.com
Good morning Terry
You can put your hockey sticks away and start dimpling. You'll find that
the stainless steel is as soft as butter when you dimple it. Matter of fact
I've been disapointed to as how soft it really is. I've dimpled my whole
plane and still have the same dies.
Good luck Art
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Dimpling Stainless |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jaye and Scott Jackson <jayeandscott@shaw.ca>
The Firewall-also known as the razor blade-for reasons you'll soon find out,
is actually extremely thin material.
Dimpling it should be no problem.
Scott in VAncouver
----- Original Message -----
From: <terence.gannon@telus.net>
Subject: RV-List: Dimpling Stainless
> --> RV-List message posted by: terence.gannon@telus.net
>
> 'Listers -- in the plans, they call for all flush riveting all of the
firewell
> stiffeners etc., in order to provide a smooth surface to mount all of the
FWF
> items. I'm assuming that they expect you to dimple the stainless and
machine
> countersink the stiffeners etc. Being a much harder material, I'm
assuming
> that the stainless will beat the H-E-'double hockey sticks' out of those
> rather pricey dimple dies. I was wondering what other's experience and/or
> recommendations were in this regard. Thanks in advance for any advice...
>
> Regards...
>
> Terry in Calgary
> RV-6 S/N 22414
> "Firewall"
>
>
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| Subject: | Happy Birdie, Henry! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Brooks" <kenbrooks@charter.net>
Many Happy Returns, Henry! I've enjoyed your informative posts over the
years. Keep up the good work!
Ken Brooks
Roscoe, IL
RV-8QB in progress
Christian and thankful (not proud)
DO NOT ARCHIVE
"Tomorrow (May 1) I celebrate my "trombone" birthday! Still flying---
Cheers!!------Henry
("Seventy Six Trombones were at the big parade--tra-la--")"
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| Subject: | Re: Checkerboarding experiment |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem@comcast.net>
Dana--
Nope, not "Treasure of the Sierra Madre", either.
Actually, the origin of that quote is from Humphrey Bogart, in one of his
first (and probably silliest) roles, playing a "mexican" bandito in the Erroll
Flyn movie "Virginia City"---Humph and his boys are robbing a stagecoach and
they tell their victims that they are a sheriff's posse--one of the victims
then asks to see their badges--"Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges!"
Dana Overall wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
> Imperfections..........we don't need no stinking imperfections (that is
> except for that one non standard shop rivet head), you had to see Blazing
> Saddles to know that statement:-).
>
> BTW, the rudder is already primed........bring on the ideas you want me to
> experiment with and I'll post the results.
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY
> RV-7 slider/fuselage
> http://rvflying.tripod.com
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RV List: Back to "RV" based debates |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Are we forgetting the -8? let's compare this gear installation with *any*
RV model?!
do not archive
Tailwheel endorsed
Bryan Jones -8
Pearland, Texas
> > > **The hardest to build---?? You tail draggers!! You are a spoilt
>bunch!
>You plug in your gear legs into sockets conveniently provided in the engine
>mount, you have unobstructed access to the bolts that hold the wing spars
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| Subject: | Re: RV List: Back to "RV" based debates |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Now this is the kind of "hot debates" I like.
Chuck
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: RV_8 Pilot <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV List: Back to "RV" based debates
> --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>
> Are we forgetting the -8? let's compare this gear installation with *any*
> RV model?!
>
> do not archive
>
> Tailwheel endorsed
>
> Bryan Jones -8
> Pearland, Texas
>
> > > > **The hardest to build---?? You tail draggers!! You are a spoilt
> >bunch!
> >You plug in your gear legs into sockets conveniently provided in the
engine
> >mount, you have unobstructed access to the bolts that hold the wing spars
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Microair 760 VHF users |
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
In a message dated 05/01/2003 6:19:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
pcondon@mitre.org writes:
> I am unable to understand why changing a antenna solved your problems
> ?? "Radiating RF junk" is hardly your problem or a apt description of
> the problem. An antenna is a radiating element, cut and matched to the
> frequency you want to x-mit or receive on. As such, the antenna is a
> passive element.
If you really believe this, then please give Bob Archer a call at (310)
316-8796.
Not all antenna's are created equal.
Jim Ayers
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| Subject: | Re: Back to "RV" based debates |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jaye and Scott Jackson <jayeandscott@shaw.ca>
Now THAT'S what I'd call a signature!
Enjoy reading that sort of stuff....
Scott in Vancouver
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
>
> Doug,
>
> It might be interesting. I was talking to John Harmon the other day and
he
> stated that he was able to hold his own with a couple of P-51s which have
> crossed his path. Of course, I have the slowest Rocket flying so I may
have
> the disadvantage .
>
> It would be interesting to see which of us would get a religious
experience
> from the one V one. (Can I say that anymore under the new rules?)
>
> do not archive
>
> Take care,
> Anyway, stop by APV and get a Rocket ride.
>
> Tom Gummo
> "GummiBear"
> Wild Weasel Society Number 1573
> Major, USAF, Retired
> F-4G Instructor Pilot
> Combat Pilot during Gulf War I, was shot at but they missed :-)
> OV-10 Forward Air Controller, missed Vietnam (OK didn't miss anything)
> Part Time Instructor of Chemistry at Victor Valley Community College
> BS - Chemistry from Cal Ploy Pomona in 1970
> Masters Degree in Computer Science from CSUSB in 2001
> (so why am I teaching chem - don't ask me but a pay check is a pay check.)
> EAA Number 0321966
> Pres of EAA Chapter 768
> "Air Boss" for the upcoming Apple Valley Air Fair - June 8th - BE THERE
> Harmon Rocket II - N561FS, Flying 120 hours
> Slowest, Ugliest Rocket, but it is mine and payed for
> AND ALL ROUND NICE GUY
>
> How is that for a signature??????
>
> Please do not archive
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
> > >
> > > Chuck,
> > >
> > > After twenty years of flying a supersonic jet fighter - the F-4G -,
the
> > > P-51 is small potatoes (can't believe I really had the nerve to type
> that)
> > > :-) .
> >
> > WHOA there big guy!!!!! Them is fightn' words!!!! "P-51 is small
> potatoes"
> > you say!!!!!
> >
> > Well you jump in that Rocket and you blast out here and we will do a
> little
> > one V one......
> >
> > Tailwinds,
> > Doug Rozendaal
> > RV-4 (and P-51 on weekends.....)
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Update |
--> RV-List message posted by: "KostaLewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
Oh, no! The cabin top is made of
fabbb........fubbb........fiberberber.........not aluminum!
This could be a cool looking airplane. Of course.
Michael
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Microair 760 VHF users |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
If the antenna is a lousy match or the connection to it is bad you will get
a high VSWR (Voltage Standing Wave Ratio) and power will get reflected back
to the transmitter, the magnitude depending how bad the match is. The co-ax
cable can then become a radiator inside the aircraft and play merry hell
with sensitive equipment.
Cheers!! -------Henry Hore
----- Original Message -----
From: "P M Condon" <pcondon@mitre.org>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Microair 760 VHF users
> --> RV-List message posted by: P M Condon <pcondon@mitre.org>
>
> I am unable to understand why changing a antenna solved your problems
> ?? "Radiating RF junk" is hardly your problem or a apt description of
> the problem. An antenna is a radiating element, cut and matched to the
> frequency you want to x-mit or receive on. As such, the antenna is a
> passive element. Faulty connectors, bad coax, wrong coax, ground
> problems I can understand. Was there any other replaced items, or
> faults found to correctly identify your radio problem....???
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Update |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
I guess we'll have to stop heckling those Glasair and Lancair guys so much now.
KostaLewis <mikel@dimensional.com> wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: "KostaLewis"
Oh, no! The cabin top is made of
fabbb........fubbb........fiberberber.........not aluminum!
This could be a cool looking airplane. Of course.
Michael
Do not archive
--
RV-4
N311SV, FLYING!!
bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you
Luke 6:28, NAS
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| Subject: | Re: Dimpling Stainless |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
In a message dated 5/1/03 8:00:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
terence.gannon@telus.net writes:
<< Listers -- in the plans, they call for all flush riveting all of the
firewall
stiffeners etc., in order to provide a smooth surface to mount all of the
FWF
items. I'm assuming that they expect you to dimple the stainless and
machine
countersink the stiffeners etc. Being a much harder material, I'm assuming
that the stainless will beat the H-E-'double hockey sticks' out of those
rather pricey dimple dies. I was wondering what other's experience and/or
recommendations were in this regard. Thanks in advance for any advice...
>>
On the contrary, stainless sheet like the firewall is very ductile and
dimples with very little effort. When I built my firewall (predrilled "mine
your own aluminum oxide" kit) I found that my only problem was remembering to
use a lighter hammer blow on the C frame tool. The pop rivet tool dimple die
(from Avery or Cleveland) works very well for dimpling the firewall later for
miscellaneous attachments. Having said that, stainless does raise bloody
hell with drill bits very quickly.
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, firewall forward
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| Subject: | Re: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out - Please |
Re ad)
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gonzalez, Manuel" <manuel.gonzalez@lmco.com>
As a long-time airplane owner I have had the experience of participating in
several Internet based special topics lists/chat rooms. These lists always
begin with a few people who are genuinely and intensely interested in some
aviation subject be it airframes, engines, avionics, or whatever. Then as
the membership increases, and because of the anonymity and lack of control
granted to us by the Internet, folks who would never be able to get the
floor in a real face-to-face meeting, and would simply be told to shut-up,
will all of the sudden begin to bring up their favorite fantasies and
interfere with the original objectives of the group. Too bad. I hope this
list does not go that way, and I applaud Matt Dralle for his message. Thank
you Matt.
Manuel Gonzalez
Mooney driver, and RV-7A builder
-----Original Message-----
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Subject: RV-List Digest: 96 Msgs - 04/30/03
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Today's Message Index:
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1. 03:49 AM - Re: Faith-based content (RV8ter@aol.com)
2. 05:02 AM - fairings (romeo.victor@t-online.de)
3. 05:37 AM - Re: doo-hickeys (John Banks)
4. 05:57 AM - Re: Rebuilding your engine (Charlie Kuss)
5. 05:57 AM - Long Dynon Thoughts (Larry Pardue)
6. 06:19 AM - Re: Microair 760 VHF users (Pat Perry)
7. 06:22 AM - Re: Offending Signatures : was- EAA Chapter 90 (Peter
Laurence)
8. 07:00 AM - Re: Microair 760 VHF users (David Carter)
9. 07:45 AM - Re: Faith-based content (david.keck@amd.com)
10. 07:53 AM - Re: Faith-based content (lucky macy)
11. 08:12 AM - Re: Microair 760 VHF users (Mark Phillips)
12. 08:16 AM - Off Topic RV Airplane-was Faith Based Content (Glenn
Brasch)
13. 08:17 AM - Re: Microair 760 VHF users (Scott Vanartsdalen)
14. 08:19 AM - Re: Faith-based content (SCOTT MORGAN)
15. 08:30 AM - Re: Off Topic RV Airplane-was Faith Based Content (lucky
macy)
16. 08:34 AM - Re: Faith-based content (SportAV8R@aol.com)
17. 08:53 AM - Re: Off Topic RV Airplane-was Faith Based Content (Glenn
Brasch)
18. 09:00 AM - Re: Off Topic RV Airplane-was Faith Based Content
(Konrad Werner)
19. 09:21 AM - faith based e-mail (glenn williams)
20. 09:29 AM - Re: Long Dynon Thoughts (Larry Pardue)
21. 09:30 AM - Re: BUILDING ON THE CHEAP! (kempthornes)
22. 09:44 AM - Re: Long Dynon Thoughts (WALTER KERR)
23. 09:49 AM - the "RV-List" versus "Faith Based e-mail" (C. Rabaut)
24. 10:03 AM - Re: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out - (Matt
Dralle)
25. 10:03 AM - Re: faith based e-mail (Kysh)
26. 10:10 AM - Enough now !! (Konrad Werner)
27. 10:13 AM - Re: faith based e-mail (Brian Denk)
28. 10:24 AM - Re: BUILDING ON THE CHEAP! (C. Rabaut)
29. 10:24 AM - Re: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out - Please
Read) (Jim Jewell)
30. 10:31 AM - Re: the "RV-List" versus "Faith Based e-mail (Wiethe,
Philip (P.J.))
31. 10:34 AM - Recall: Re: the "RV-List" versus "Faith Based e-mail
(Wiethe, Philip (P.J.))
32. 10:47 AM - Bakersfield Peace Wing & Ride Fly-In @ L45
(MeangreenRV4@aol.com)
33. 10:50 AM - Re: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out -Please
Read) (Miller Robert)
34. 10:53 AM - Re: faith based e-mail (alexoas)
35. 11:12 AM - Re: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out -Please
(Canyon)
36. 11:25 AM - Re: faith based e-mail & microair 760 (lucky macy)
37. 11:26 AM - Re: faith based e-mail (Mike Stephenson)
38. 11:40 AM - Back to "RV" based debates (C. Rabaut)
39. 11:42 AM - Re: faith based e-mail (DELETE NOW :-)
(SportAV8R@aol.com)
40. 11:50 AM - Re: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out - Please
Read) (Dr. Kevin P. Leathers)
41. 12:15 PM - Re: Microair 760 VHF users (Peter Laurence)
42. 12:22 PM - Re: Back to "RV" based debates (Bill VonDane)
43. 12:25 PM - Re: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out -Please
Read) (Dr. Kevin P. Leathers)
44. 12:45 PM - Faith, Christianity, and wheel pants (Phil Sisson,
Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
45. 01:09 PM - Re: trailering my RV-4 (RW)
46. 01:49 PM - Re: Back to "RV" based debates (John Starn)
47. 01:54 PM - tire sizes (Evan and Megan Johnson)
48. 01:59 PM - Langley RV Fly-in 2003 (Tedd McHenry)
49. 02:21 PM - Checkerboarding experiment (Dana Overall)
50. 02:29 PM - Re: Back to "RV" based debates (Tedd McHenry)
51. 02:35 PM - Re: Back to "RV" based debates (C. Rabaut)
52. 02:38 PM - RV-6A transporting advise needed (Mike Stephenson)
53. 02:40 PM - Re: Back to "RV" based debates (C. Rabaut)
54. 02:43 PM - Re: Back to "RV" based debates (Michael McGee)
55. 02:59 PM - Re: Checkerboarding experiment (Larygagnon@aol.com)
56. 03:04 PM - Re: RV-6A transporting advise needed (John)
57. 03:07 PM - Re: Checkerboarding experiment (Scott Bilinski)
58. 03:18 PM - Re: Checkerboarding experiment (Bill Dube)
59. 03:19 PM - Re: Faith, Christianity, and wheel pants (Tracy Crook)
60. 03:33 PM - Re: RV List: Back to "RV" based debates (Elsa & Henry)
61. 04:17 PM - Re: Faith, Christianity, and wheel pants (Phil Sisson,
Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
62. 04:22 PM - Re: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out - Please
Read) (Charles Rowbotham)
63. 04:33 PM - Re: Checkerboarding experiment (Dr. Kevin P. Leathers)
64. 04:34 PM - RV Builders Class (Ralph Koger)
65. 04:36 PM - Boone, IA RVators Fly-in (Ralph Koger)
66. 04:43 PM - Re: tire sizes (Greg Young)
67. 05:00 PM - Re: Re: RV List: Back to "RV" based debates (Phil
Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
68. 05:27 PM - Re: Back to "RV" based debates (Tom Gummo)
69. 06:15 PM - Re: Checkerboarding experiment (Dana Overall)
70. 06:30 PM - Re: pattern for stick boot 2ND POST (WPAerial@aol.com)
71. 06:30 PM - Re: Re: RV List: Back to "RV" based debates (Dave
Bristol)
72. 06:37 PM - Re: RV List: Back to "RV" based debates (Elsa & Henry)
73. 06:52 PM - Re: RV-10 Update (Bob Hassel)
74. 07:04 PM - Re : Checkerboarding experiment (Martin Hone)
75. 07:11 PM - RV10 (Mr Christopher McGough)
76. 07:16 PM - WTB Electric Turn Coodinator (James Bond)
77. 07:19 PM - Re: pattern for stick boot 2ND POST (Dave Bristol)
78. 07:24 PM - RE : BUILDING ON THE CHEAP (Martin Hone)
79. 07:28 PM - Re: Back to "RV" based debates (Doug Rozendaal)
80. 07:29 PM - Re: Back to "RV" based debates (Dougpsr@aol.com)
81. 07:30 PM - Re: pattern for stick boot 2ND POST (Doug Weiler)
82. 07:36 PM - Re: RV-6A transporting advise needed (Al Mojzisik)
83. 08:03 PM - Re: Back to "RV" based debates (John Starn)
84. 08:10 PM - Tools (Chris W)
85. 08:16 PM - Re: RV-6A transporting advise needed (Charlie & Tupper
England)
86. 08:17 PM - Re: Back to "RV" based debates (John Starn)
87. 08:47 PM - Re: RV-10 Update (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
88. 08:54 PM - Re: pattern for stick boot 2ND POST (kempthornes)
89. 08:56 PM - Re: RV-6A transporting advise needed (kempthornes)
90. 08:58 PM - Re: Tools (kempthornes)
91. 09:03 PM - Re: RV-6A transporting advise needed (James E. Clark)
92. 09:17 PM - Re: RV-6A transporting advise needed (Mike Stephenson)
93. 09:46 PM - Re: tire sizes (Randall Henderson)
94. 09:54 PM - Re: Faith, Christianity, and wheel pants (Tracy Crook)
95. 10:49 PM - Re: Re: RV List: Back to "RV" based debates (Jim Oke)
96. 10:50 PM - Re: Back to "RV" based debates (Tom Gummo)
________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
Time: 03:49:16 AM PST US
From: RV8ter@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Faith-based content
--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
Skipped school the years they taught tolerance? You pressing your
anti-religious waving views on the list came across to me as way more
annoying and hackle raising than anything previous.
If you lack the skill or imagination to see what some others can see,
instead
of acting out of frustration and annoying others yourself (some I'm sure are
actually laughing at you as I am), hit the delete key - I'm sure someone
out
there can prove to you it exists.
Relax and let others live their life their way - as long as it doesn't raise
your taxes ,c ause traffic jams or take away airports.
do not archive,
lucky
In a message dated 4/29/2003 10:08:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
bicyclop@pacbell.net writes:
> Faith-based content is inappropriate to this list. Being holier than
> thou and/or waving your beliefs around like a flag is at best annoying
> and usually comes across as proselytizing which nobody much likes. And
> yes, it raises some hackles.
________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
Time: 05:02:28 AM PST US
Subject: RV-List: fairings
From: romeo.victor@t-online.de
--> RV-List message posted by: romeo.victor@t-online.de
Dear RV builders,
I am airborne with my 8 since 15.04.2003. A couple of things have to be
completed.
For example all the plastic covers and fairings. I tried to fabricate gear
leg fairings by myself two times, and, failed. This is not my work. Is there
anybody who has a form, which he or she can borrow me to produce these
items?
I would pay for the shipping costs to Europe and back.
Thanks indeed
Yours sincerely
--
RV8 flying
Stephan Servatius
Untere Hauptstr. 3
85461 Bockhorn
Germany
Tel. +49 (0) 8122 48383
Fax +49 (0) 8122 902188
Mobil +49 (0) 179 105 9749
________________________________ Message 3
_____________________________________
Time: 05:37:56 AM PST US
From: "John Banks" <tinmanjj@ptd.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: doo-hickeys
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Banks" <tinmanjj@ptd.net>
plumbers call then cock hole covers
________________________________ Message 4
_____________________________________
Time: 05:57:01 AM PST US
From: Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Rebuilding your engine
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net>
Mark,
Please share the below mentioned drilling "trick" with us. Imagine, an
honest
to gosh, RV building tip!! What a concept! :-)
Charlie Kuss
>--> RV-List message posted by: Mark McGee <MarkMcGee@comcast.net>
>
>snipped
>When I majored my O-235, I had to drill an additional oil
>passage in the accessory case to lube the new, improved oil pump which had
a
>rotating shaft to replace the old fixed shaft. Drilling the oil passage was
>covered in a Service Instruction and I would not have known about it
without
>the Service Instruction. When I read that I had to drill into my engine, I
>was disturbed at the thought, so I called Lycoming. A tech assured me that
I
>would have to drill the hole and he told me a trick they use to align the
>drill. I did it and it worked out fine.
>
>Mark McGee
>Loganville, GA
>RV-4 Fuselage almost skinned
________________________________ Message 5
_____________________________________
Time: 05:57:13 AM PST US
From: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
Subject: RV-List: Long Dynon Thoughts
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
Listers:
I had not been following the development of the Dynon EFIS-D10. There are
many things under development that sound good but never come to fruition.
However, when actual flight reports started showing up it was impossible for
even me to ignore this device any longer.
I have a vacuum system powering an attitude indicator and heading indicator.
Although I have gloated on this list about the fact my gyro instruments were
still working despite quite a bit of aerobatic flight, this is no longer
true. For the last 50 or so hours the attitude indicator has been
intermittently slow to erect. Sometimes it would not erect until 15 minutes
into a flight, sometimes it would erect upon engine start. This alone, was
enough to make it useless for IFR flight for me. On a recent flight the AI
erected fine, but during the flight the horizon bar very gradually crept
upward (showing a nose down attitude), during level flight. Finally it went
so high it was out of the adjustment range of the instrument. Later in the
flight it tumbled. On the next flight it worked fine. My heading indicator
seems about typical. On some flights it may not need adjustment for 40
minutes while other times it seems to need to be reset every 5 minutes.
RPM, heading? I don't know why it acts this way. My rate of turn
indication is my Navaid Devices autopilot. I love the instrument, for its
price, but this indication is inaccurate on mine. It is determined by the
strength of two different springs that oppose one another. Apparently the
springs are not perfectly balanced.
These types of problems, which are very common in my experience, along with
a vacuum pump that may or may not be at around its mtbf, make some features
of the D10 very appealing. Having both of the gyros overhauled and
replacing the pump would be very near the cost of the D10. I do not have
confidence that the overhauled AI, a mechanical nightmare of high speeds and
precision bearings, would have a long and healthy life. So being able to
shelve these heavy, mechanical monstrosities, along with an undependable
vacuum pump, lots of hose, fittings, a large firewall penetration, a filter,
and a regulator has considerable appeal at this time.
I love the ideal of stabilized heading indication (equivalent to a slaved
gyro system?). To me this has always been one of those deluxe things that
are great when you are flying an expensive airplane that has it, but is too
costly to buy for your own airplane. The problem is that it is not
available yet. I want to see how well it works. I am not encouraged too
much by the talk in the manual about inputting your local dip. Is it only
going to work at that location? These things are for traveling. One would
hope it would work acceptably over a reasonably large area. If the remote
sensor is necessary, it seems like using adhesive to attach it to the floor,
back in the tail, would be a simple option.
I don't think the heading display is near as useful as a standard heading
indicator, where you can determine direction relationships at a glance.
Things like reciprocals, 45's and 90's. I would miss this but could live
with it if the heading function works well. It is great that the D10 has a
heading bug, but once again, I think it is not as useful as the one on a
standard heading indicator, where you can quickly spin the knob. On the
D10, you have to select the bug through menus. Doesn't sound very practical
on an ILS approach.
With the internal backup battery, I would be very confident using the D10 to
replace the heading and attitude instruments, which is all I am interested
in. Intuitively a failure of the D10 would be a kablooey type failure,
where it just quits working. The typical gradual failure of a gyro
intrument is hard to recognize and potentially more dangerous, I think. I
would retain my mechanical airspeed indicator and altimeter and continue
using the encoder in my Rocky Mountain Instruments microEncoder.
It doesn't sound like the attitude indication errors will be significant in
the D10. I just looked at my FAA "Instrument Flying Handbook." It lists
about half a page of errors inherent in the mechanical instrument. A turn
precesses the instrument toward the inside of the turn and errors in both
pitch and bank occur during normal turns. During acceleration a climb is
indicated and the opposite is shown during deceleration. A 3 to 5 degree
error is common.
Much lighter, no moving parts, no tumbling, no wear. It sure sounds great.
Like another lister, my main worry would be being stuck with unsupported,
broken hardware, although if this thing is as successful as it seems like it
should be, I would expect competitors to spring up. I would sure hate to
reinstall all that junk I have now!
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm
________________________________ Message 6
_____________________________________
Time: 06:19:54 AM PST US
From: "Pat Perry" <pperryrv@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Microair 760 VHF users
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Perry" <pperryrv@hotmail.com>
I'm using the 760 in my RV-4 and I'm happy. I use the intercom also and
don't have any problems. The only thing I would change on my installation
would be to add a toggle to leave the intercom on for long conversations.
I would suggest mounting the thing eye level near something you can rest
your hand on when operating the buttons. It's so small it can be difficult
to read at an angle and controls are tough to deal with in rough air if you
don't have something to steady your hand against.
I recently changed my antenna to get rid of a whole bunch of issues I had
that I thought were related to the ELT. It turned out to be a cheap antenna
that was transmitting RF junk everywhere. It caused squealing in the
headset, false ELT trips, and background noise. The new antenna fixed all
of the issues.
Pat Perry
Dallas, PA
RV-4 N154PK Flies great!
>From: "Al Grajek" <algrajek@msn.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv8-list@matronics.com, rv8list@yahoogroups.com, rv-list@matronics.com,
> vansairforce@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RV-List: Microair 760 VHF users
>Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:48:10 -0400
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Al Grajek" <algrajek@msn.com>
>
>
>Listers:
>Is anyone out there using the Microair 760 VHF transreciever? If so, Are
>you
>using their intercom system, and if you are, are you happy with it? I am
>trying to decide whether I should use it or install a different intercom
>system.
>Thanks in advance for your comments.
>Al Grajek
>RV8
>
>
________________________________ Message 7
_____________________________________
Time: 06:22:33 AM PST US
From: Peter Laurence <dr.laurence@mbdi.org>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Offending Signatures : was- EAA Chapter 90
sponsoringOakdale Airport Appreciation Day
--> RV-List message posted by: Peter Laurence <dr.laurence@mbdi.org>
OK Guys
I think this is enough!
You have to realize that some of us subscribe to more than one list. The
bandwidth gets excessive and one might get 300 hundred messages a day.
Please stick to the subject, I.E. RVs.
Do not arcive
Peter Laurence
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris W" <chrisw3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Offending Signatures : was- EAA Chapter 90
sponsoringOakdale Airport Appreciation Day
> --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
>
> I want to respond to everybody so instead of sending out several messages
I'll put it all in this one. Please note the smelly face thingamagigs
before you react to the raw text.
>
> Scott, where did you get that odd ball translation, stick with King James
;)
>
> GV, the existence of a god can neither be proven or disprove . A
scientist who tries to disprove the existence of a god is an idiot. A
religious person who tries to prove the existence of a god just doesn't get
it.
>
> Chuck, very funny :)
>
> Steve, sharing your beliefs or interests in a signature is not trying to
convince anyone of anything. It is simply an attempt to tell a little about
yourself, what is important to you, and I can't think of any less obtrusive
way of doing that.
>
> Terry, if you are offended by bible passages and christians I suggest you
avoid going near or interacting with people who live in north america,
unless of course you like to be offended. If you consider a signature to be
confronting. . . I just don't know what to say to
> that. GV is the one who started a confrontation, not Scott. Comparing
religion to a fad or superstition is what is offensive. Your statement, "We
aren't all American and we aren't all male and we sure as hell aren't all
Christian." Speaks volumes about you.
>
> John, a signature quoting a scripture is "imposing" views on others? Be
serious.
>
> Todd, great point!
>
> Kevin, I think that Matt is asking not to use signatures of "excessive"
length (I don't think 4 lines is excessive). Also I think he wants us to
trim all the garbage when we reply to messages on the list. After a few
replies to a message that junk that gets included over
> and over again can add up. I try to remember to delete everything that
isn't relevant to what I am replying about.
>
> Jim, I totally agree, 100%!
>
> Bill, see John above and replace "imposing" with "forcing".
>
> Jeff, Dumb idea :) But seriously, I have noticed that "noise" on mailing
lists and newsgroups go away MUCH faster when it is ignored. From my
observations, all voiced attempts to quiet it, just result in more noise.
>
> Tell me, who reads those stupid signatures anyway ;) ;) I'm surprised no
one has complained about mine.
>
> I almost forgot, do not archive
>
> --
> Chris Woodhouse
> 3147 SW 127th St.
> Oklahoma City, OK 73170
> 405-691-5206
> chrisw@programmer.net
> N35 20.492'
> W97 34.342'
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty
> to obtain a little temporary safety
> deserve neither liberty nor safety."
> -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
>
>
________________________________ Message 8
_____________________________________
Time: 07:00:01 AM PST US
From: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Microair 760 VHF users
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
What was the "cheap antenna" that was causing the problems?
What did you replace it with?
David
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Perry" <pperryrv@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Microair 760 VHF users
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Perry" <pperryrv@hotmail.com>
>
>
> I'm using the 760 in my RV-4 and I'm happy. I use the intercom also and
> don't have any problems. The only thing I would change on my installation
> would be to add a toggle to leave the intercom on for long conversations.
>
> I would suggest mounting the thing eye level near something you can rest
> your hand on when operating the buttons. It's so small it can be
difficult
> to read at an angle and controls are tough to deal with in rough air if
you
> don't have something to steady your hand against.
>
> I recently changed my antenna to get rid of a whole bunch of issues I had
> that I thought were related to the ELT. It turned out to be a cheap
antenna
> that was transmitting RF junk everywhere. It caused squealing in the
> headset, false ELT trips, and background noise. The new antenna fixed all
> of the issues.
>
>
> Pat Perry
> Dallas, PA
> RV-4 N154PK Flies great!
>
________________________________ Message 9
_____________________________________
Time: 07:45:35 AM PST US
From: david.keck@amd.com
Subject: RE: RV-List: Faith-based content
--> RV-List message posted by: david.keck@amd.com
Looks like you skipped those years too, eh?
-----Original Message-----
From: RV8ter@aol.com [mailto:RV8ter@aol.com]
Subject: Re: RV-List: Faith-based content
--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
Skipped school the years they taught tolerance? You pressing your
anti-religious waving views on the list came across to me as way more
annoying and hackle raising than anything previous.
If you lack the skill or imagination to see what some others can see,
instead
of acting out of frustration and annoying others yourself (some I'm sure are
actually laughing at you as I am), hit the delete key - I'm sure someone
out
there can prove to you it exists.
Relax and let others live their life their way - as long as it doesn't raise
your taxes ,c ause traffic jams or take away airports.
do not archive,
lucky
In a message dated 4/29/2003 10:08:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
bicyclop@pacbell.net writes:
> Faith-based content is inappropriate to this list. Being holier than
> thou and/or waving your beliefs around like a flag is at best annoying
> and usually comes across as proselytizing which nobody much likes. And
> yes, it raises some hackles.
________________________________ Message 10
____________________________________
Time: 07:53:02 AM PST US
From: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Faith-based content
--> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
Thank Budda, Allah, God, the devil, etc, I did not. How about you?
ps, don't have your panties in such a wad you forget to use
do not archive
>From: david.keck@amd.com
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Faith-based content
>Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:44:12 -0500
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: david.keck@amd.com
>
>Looks like you skipped those years too, eh?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: RV8ter@aol.com [mailto:RV8ter@aol.com]
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Faith-based content
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
>
>Skipped school the years they taught tolerance? You pressing your
>anti-religious waving views on the list came across to me as way more
>annoying and hackle raising than anything previous.
>
>If you lack the skill or imagination to see what some others can see,
>instead
>of acting out of frustration and annoying others yourself (some I'm sure
>are
>actually laughing at you as I am), hit the delete key - I'm sure someone
>out
>there can prove to you it exists.
>
>Relax and let others live their life their way - as long as it doesn't
>raise
>your taxes ,c ause traffic jams or take away airports.
>
>do not archive,
>lucky
>
>In a message dated 4/29/2003 10:08:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>bicyclop@pacbell.net writes:
>
> > Faith-based content is inappropriate to this list. Being holier than
> > thou and/or waving your beliefs around like a flag is at best annoying
> > and usually comes across as proselytizing which nobody much likes. And
> > yes, it raises some hackles.
>
>
________________________________ Message 11
____________________________________
Time: 08:12:42 AM PST US
From: Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Microair 760 VHF users
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net>
Hi Pat-
What antenna did you have and what did you replace it with? I've got the
760
and a cheap bent whip I plan to stick on the belly and would like to learn
from
your experience! Are you reasonably confident the original antenna
installation
was sound?
From The PossumWorks
Mark
Pat Perry wrote:
> I recently changed my antenna to get rid of a whole bunch of issues I had
> that I thought were related to the ELT. It turned out to be a cheap
antenna
> that was transmitting RF junk everywhere. It caused squealing in the
> headset, false ELT trips, and background noise. The new antenna fixed all
> of the issues.
________________________________ Message 12
____________________________________
Time: 08:16:28 AM PST US
From: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: Off Topic RV Airplane-was Faith Based Content
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
Is it possible for us to get back to the topic of the Van's RV Aircraft on
this list. For those of you that may have forgotten, it is this little 2
place vehicle that most of us: 1. Wish we had, 2. Have parts of, or for
those very lucky ones 3. Have one flying...... Anyone else agree?
Glenn in Arizona -9A Emp. DO NOT ARCHIVE
________________________________ Message 13
____________________________________
Time: 08:17:52 AM PST US
From: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Microair 760 VHF users
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
This is the configuration I have as well Mark. I've had several comments
that
my transmissions were very clear. I haven't had any reception or
transmission
problems. I'm a little concerned about what he was saying about noise and
tripping
the ELT and so forth. The only other problem I've had with my MicroAir
is the display periodicly goes nuts. Blank display or Kanji characters.
MicroAir
has not return any emails yet.
Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net> wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: Mark
Phillips
Hi Pat-
What antenna did you have and what did you replace it with? I've got the 760
and a cheap bent whip I plan to stick on the belly and would like to learn
from
your experience! Are you reasonably confident the original antenna
installation
was sound?
From The PossumWorks
Mark
Pat Perry wrote:
> I recently changed my antenna to get rid of a whole bunch of issues I had
> that I thought were related to the ELT. It turned out to be a cheap
antenna
> that was transmitting RF junk everywhere. It caused squealing in the
> headset, false ELT trips, and background noise. The new antenna fixed all
> of the issues.
--
RV-4
N311SV, FLYING!!
bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you
Luke 6:28, NAS
---------------------------------
________________________________ Message 14
____________________________________
Time: 08:19:41 AM PST US
From: SCOTT MORGAN <sdmorgan@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Faith-based content
--> RV-List message posted by: SCOTT MORGAN <sdmorgan@prodigy.net>
To all the non believers.............I will be more than happy to collect
those
"worthless pieces of paper from your wallet that say in God we Trust!"
Anyone
intersted in easing their burden, contact me off list!
RV8ter@aol.com wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
Skipped school the years they taught tolerance? You pressing your
anti-religious waving views on the list came across to me as way more
annoying and hackle raising than anything previous.
If you lack the skill or imagination to see what some others can see,
instead
of acting out of frustration and annoying others yourself (some I'm sure are
actually laughing at you as I am), hit the delete key - I'm sure someone out
there can prove to you it exists.
Relax and let others live their life their way - as long as it doesn't raise
your taxes ,c ause traffic jams or take away airports.
do not archive,
lucky
In a message dated 4/29/2003 10:08:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
bicyclop@pacbell.net writes:
> Faith-based content is inappropriate to this list. Being holier than
> thou and/or waving your beliefs around like a flag is at best annoying
> and usually comes across as proselytizing which nobody much likes. And
> yes, it raises some hackles.
________________________________ Message 15
____________________________________
Time: 08:30:20 AM PST US
From: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Off Topic RV Airplane-was Faith Based Content
--> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
man, you just stepped on some RV3 and RV-10 toes.
do not archive
>From: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Off Topic RV Airplane-was Faith Based Content
>Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:17:27 -0700
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
>
>Is it possible for us to get back to the topic of the Van's RV Aircraft on
>this list. For those of you that may have forgotten, it is this little 2
>place vehicle that most of us: 1. Wish we had, 2. Have parts of, or for
>those very lucky ones 3. Have one flying...... Anyone else agree?
>Glenn in Arizona -9A Emp. DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
________________________________ Message 16
____________________________________
Time: 08:34:02 AM PST US
From: SportAV8R@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Faith-based content
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
In a message dated 04/29/2003 10:08:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bicyclop@pacbell.net writes:
> >>We all worship at the aluminum alter. <<
Not all of us, Ed. I think I get your drift, but "worship" does not apply
to
me (and perhaps others) in this context. (Assuming your reference is to an
"altar," not an "alter." It describes an activity reserved for a truly
worthy object, and the airplane ain't Him :-)
>>Faith-based content is inappropriate to this list. Being holier than
thou and/or waving your beliefs around like a flag is at best annoying<<
Ed, who's waving their beliefs around, now? You know, the belief that says
"faith-based content is inappropriate, etc. etc." And you're right, it
really can be annoying to some of us when you do that.
>>You'll never
convince anybody to think your way - you'll just piss 'em off.<<
Obviously this is meant to apply to everyone on the list except you, right -
the "personal exemption privilege" is being invoked here? Do you take your
own advice?
>>Let's talk about airplanes.<<
Now, there's a reasonable suggestion. Let's do. But let's give each other
the grace and civility to talk about airplanes from out of who we really
are,
not from behind some cyber-persona-mask. I think that's part of what sig
lines are all about, Ed, an attempt to say more about who we are, to go
beyond what can otherwise across in electronic discourse. I don't use a sig
line myself, but I live peacably here with those who choose to, even if it
reflects views very different from my own. A few years ago, someone on the
list said "children are not blessings from a god, but..." I disagree
profoundly with that world view, but I didn't jump his case for expressing
it; after all, we each have a world view we live from, whether we admit it
or
not. This has not altered my ability to have pleasant exchanges with anyone
on the list with the initials GV, because of how I have chosen to "deal with
it." Maybe that's an example worth following, Ed. You decide.
If you want to identify yourself as an RV-list member with a thin skin and
an
axe to grind about people of faith, go for it. I wish you well. It is not
possible fo you to offend me by doing that; you don't have my permission to
offend me. (This makes life on the web _so_ much easier!) In turn, I will
write my posts as one who has long since gotten over caring what mere men
think of me, and you, for your part, will be dutifully tolerant of it, as
you
expect me to be of you, right? The golden rule in action...
>>And yes, it raises some hackles. <<
(So could your obvious antagonism towards list members whose lives and
character are actually informed by their beliefs and aren't afraid to let it
show...)
Guess I've made my point, or at least tried to lay it out. It's been an
interesting diversion this morning. Now back to patient care...
...do not archive as it is not "aluminum" enough to be the stuff of archival
legend...
-Bill B
________________________________ Message 17
____________________________________
Time: 08:53:50 AM PST US
From: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Off Topic RV Airplane-was Faith Based Content
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
forgive me Father for I have sinned! :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Off Topic RV Airplane-was Faith Based Content
> --> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
>
> man, you just stepped on some RV3 and RV-10 toes.
>
> do not archive
>
>
> >From: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
> >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RV-List: Off Topic RV Airplane-was Faith Based Content
> >Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:17:27 -0700
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
> >
> >Is it possible for us to get back to the topic of the Van's RV Aircraft
on
> >this list. For those of you that may have forgotten, it is this little 2
> >place vehicle that most of us: 1. Wish we had, 2. Have parts of, or for
> >those very lucky ones 3. Have one flying...... Anyone else agree?
> >Glenn in Arizona -9A Emp. DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________ Message 18
____________________________________
Time: 09:00:45 AM PST US
From: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Off Topic RV Airplane-was Faith Based Content
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
I DO AGREE WITH YOU !!!
Konrad
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: Off Topic RV Airplane-was Faith Based Content
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
>
> Is it possible for us to get back to the topic of the Van's RV Aircraft on
> this list. For those of you that may have forgotten, it is this little 2
> place vehicle that most of us: 1. Wish we had, 2. Have parts of, or for
> those very lucky ones 3. Have one flying...... Anyone else agree?
> Glenn in Arizona -9A Emp. DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
________________________________ Message 19
____________________________________
Time: 09:21:30 AM PST US
From: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: faith based e-mail
--> RV-List message posted by: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
All: you who know my previous e-mails know that I am
very religious and where I stand on the issue. That
said I am tired of pulling punches for you
non-believers. So listen up and let me offend you.
1. You have a chance to be saved. (read John 3:16)
2. you have a chance to go to hell. (read the Bible)
these are your choices. An after life of pleasure or
eternal pain. God wants to save all who will listen
but if you dont that's okay too as God will turn away
from you and sentence you to an eternity of Weeping
and gnashing of teeth. Those that want Salvation seek
and ye shall find, those that dont, dont. It is your
choice always has been and always will be. Now that we
understand each other, dont e-mail me about not saying
anything religious on this list. I will delete you and
I dont care if it makes you mad. You feel free to
express your opinion against religion and I feel free
to preach it so we are at a crossroads. You non
believers will one day bow at the feet of Jesus Christ
and try to get into heaven and he will say to you
"depart from me, I never knew you" now the question of
the day. DO YOU WANT TO HEAR THOSE WORDS? Some of you
are going to try and say oh look Glenn is Holier than
thou. I am not, what I am trying to get through to all
of you is, this is America, Americas values were and
are based on Christian values and because of perople
like you we are slowly but surely getting away from
being able to voice an opinion beacuase it is not
politically correct or it offends you. Well so what I
am excersizing my right of the freedom of speech. I am
a proud member of the armed forces reserves an rv8A
builder and the last time I checked an all American
patriot and lover of freedom. And I just exercised it.
well I am off my soap box flame away. And if your
going to flame do it publically not privately as we
are all on this list.
Glenn Williams
do not archive
=====
Glenn Williams
8A
A&P
N81GW
__________________________________
http://search.yahoo.com
________________________________ Message 20
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Time: 09:29:36 AM PST US
Subject: RV-List: Re: Long Dynon Thoughts
From: Larry Pardue <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
Listers:
The following mail was sent to me in response to my earlier post about
the Dyon EFIS. It answers a couple of questions I had. Used with
permission.
>Subject: Re: Long Dynon Thoughts
>Sent: 4/27/20 5:43 AM
>Received: 4/30/03 9:46 AM
>From: Doug Medema, doug@dynondevelopment.com
>To: n5lp@carlsbad.net
>
>Hi Larry,
>
>I saw your post on the RV list this morning and thought a couple
>of comments were appropriate.
>
>First, we only use the magnetic dip angle during the magnetic
>calibration process. We use the dip angle to determine the
>"ideal" values we would see in an environment with no inter-
>ference. We then determine the transform that goes between the
>magnetic sensor values we measure in your installation and the
>corresponding ideal values. Once we have the transform, it will
>work over quite a large geographic range.
>
>The heading determination has been much tougher than we
>anticipated, but that seems to have been the case with just
>about every part of the instrument. Right now, we believe we
>will have a +/- 5 degree compass and are pushing to get it
>in the +/- 2 degree range. Most planes will require the
>external magnetometer.
>
>Doug Medema
>Dynon Avionics
>---
>Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/2003
>
________________________________ Message 21
____________________________________
Time: 09:30:07 AM PST US
From: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: BUILDING ON THE CHEAP!
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
Hi all,
I understand the motivation to build cheap. Most of us have limited
resources one of which is money but the other is time.
When a manufacturer sets out to produce a complex product, like an RV, they
set up a list of specifications which says what the product must be like to
appeal to the market. Such things as price, performance, beauty, quality,
durability, reliability and so on are considered. Some build down to price
and others build up to quality etc. We get to decide whether to be Aero
Trainer quality or Michelin.
Depending on the value of one's time, many things can be made rather than
bought. It is hard to make a com radio but easy to make the antenna. How
to value your time is a big subject all in itself.
At least all this rambling doesn't go off into religion. Please don't put
religious words in your valued emails as my filter shitcans such drivel.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
________________________________ Message 22
____________________________________
Time: 09:44:57 AM PST US
From: "WALTER KERR" <kerrjb@msn.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Long Dynon Thoughts
--> RV-List message posted by: "WALTER KERR" <kerrjb@msn.com>
Hi Larry,
Gosh it was good to get a message about flying or building on the rv list.
I think you have all the right questions and I am going to order one as soon
as the AOA is available. It just sounds almost too good to be true. They
have promised to give us early interested signer uppers advance notice
before they up the price. Hopefully they will take some tips from Van and
only make a reasonable return on their investment. Everything points to some
savy folks making decisions for the company since they did hold off
deliveries until it was apparently working in most situations.
You guys that are flying, please keep us posted on how the D-10 is
performing.
Bernie Kerr, 6A flying, 9A rotary building
May God bless each and everyone of you!!
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
Subject: RV-List: Long Dynon Thoughts
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
>
> Listers:
>
> I had not been following the development of the Dynon EFIS-D10. There are
> many things under development that sound good but never come to fruition.
> However, when actual flight reports started showing up it was impossible
for
> even me to ignore this device any longer.
>
> I have a vacuum system powering an attitude indicator and heading
indicator.
> Although I have gloated on this list about the fact my gyro instruments
were
> still working despite quite a bit of aerobatic flight, this is no longer
> true. For the last 50 or so hours the attitude indicator has been
> intermittently slow to erect. Sometimes it would not erect until 15
minutes
> into a flight, sometimes it would erect upon engine start. This alone,
was
> enough to make it useless for IFR flight for me. On a recent flight the
AI
> erected fine, but during the flight the horizon bar very gradually crept
> upward (showing a nose down attitude), during level flight. Finally it
went
> so high it was out of the adjustment range of the instrument. Later in
the
> flight it tumbled. On the next flight it worked fine. My heading
indicator
> seems about typical. On some flights it may not need adjustment for 40
> minutes while other times it seems to need to be reset every 5 minutes.
> RPM, heading? I don't know why it acts this way. My rate of turn
> indication is my Navaid Devices autopilot. I love the instrument, for its
> price, but this indication is inaccurate on mine. It is determined by the
> strength of two different springs that oppose one another. Apparently the
> springs are not perfectly balanced.
>
> These types of problems, which are very common in my experience, along
with
> a vacuum pump that may or may not be at around its mtbf, make some
features
> of the D10 very appealing. Having both of the gyros overhauled and
> replacing the pump would be very near the cost of the D10. I do not have
> confidence that the overhauled AI, a mechanical nightmare of high speeds
and
> precision bearings, would have a long and healthy life. So being able to
> shelve these heavy, mechanical monstrosities, along with an undependable
> vacuum pump, lots of hose, fittings, a large firewall penetration, a
filter,
> and a regulator has considerable appeal at this time.
>
> I love the ideal of stabilized heading indication (equivalent to a slaved
> gyro system?). To me this has always been one of those deluxe things that
> are great when you are flying an expensive airplane that has it, but is
too
> costly to buy for your own airplane. The problem is that it is not
> available yet. I want to see how well it works. I am not encouraged too
> much by the talk in the manual about inputting your local dip. Is it only
> going to work at that location? These things are for traveling. One
would
> hope it would work acceptably over a reasonably large area. If the remote
> sensor is necessary, it seems like using adhesive to attach it to the
floor,
> back in the tail, would be a simple option.
>
> I don't think the heading display is near as useful as a standard heading
> indicator, where you can determine direction relationships at a glance.
> Things like reciprocals, 45's and 90's. I would miss this but could live
> with it if the heading function works well. It is great that the D10 has
a
> heading bug, but once again, I think it is not as useful as the one on a
> standard heading indicator, where you can quickly spin the knob. On the
> D10, you have to select the bug through menus. Doesn't sound very
practical
> on an ILS approach.
>
> With the internal backup battery, I would be very confident using the D10
to
> replace the heading and attitude instruments, which is all I am interested
> in. Intuitively a failure of the D10 would be a kablooey type failure,
> where it just quits working. The typical gradual failure of a gyro
> intrument is hard to recognize and potentially more dangerous, I think. I
> would retain my mechanical airspeed indicator and altimeter and continue
> using the encoder in my Rocky Mountain Instruments microEncoder.
>
> It doesn't sound like the attitude indication errors will be significant
in
> the D10. I just looked at my FAA "Instrument Flying Handbook." It lists
> about half a page of errors inherent in the mechanical instrument. A turn
> precesses the instrument toward the inside of the turn and errors in both
> pitch and bank occur during normal turns. During acceleration a climb is
> indicated and the opposite is shown during deceleration. A 3 to 5 degree
> error is common.
>
> Much lighter, no moving parts, no tumbling, no wear. It sure sounds
great.
>
> Like another lister, my main worry would be being stuck with unsupported,
> broken hardware, although if this thing is as successful as it seems like
it
> should be, I would expect competitors to spring up. I would sure hate to
> reinstall all that junk I have now!
>
> Larry Pardue
> Carlsbad, NM
>
> RV-6 N441LP Flying
> http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm
>
>
________________________________ Message 23
____________________________________
Time: 09:49:04 AM PST US
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Subject: RV-List: the "RV-List" versus "Faith Based e-mail"
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Well... it took awhile to shake Glenn out of his tree, but now he's out with
a vengeance.
Chuck
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: faith based e-mail
> --> RV-List message posted by: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
>
> All: you who know my previous e-mails know that I am
> very religious and where I stand on the issue. That
> said I am tired of pulling punches for you
> non-believers. So listen up and let me offend you.
>
> 1. You have a chance to be saved. (read John 3:16)
> 2. you have a chance to go to hell. (read the Bible)
>
> these are your choices. An after life of pleasure or
> eternal pain. God wants to save all who will listen
> but if you dont that's okay too as God will turn away
> from you and sentence you to an eternity of Weeping
> and gnashing of teeth. Those that want Salvation seek
> and ye shall find, those that dont, dont. It is your
> choice always has been and always will be. Now that we
> understand each other, dont e-mail me about not saying
> anything religious on this list. I will delete you and
> I dont care if it makes you mad. You feel free to
> express your opinion against religion and I feel free
> to preach it so we are at a crossroads. You non
> believers will one day bow at the feet of Jesus Christ
> and try to get into heaven and he will say to you
> "depart from me, I never knew you" now the question of
> the day. DO YOU WANT TO HEAR THOSE WORDS? Some of you
> are going to try and say oh look Glenn is Holier than
> thou. I am not, what I am trying to get through to all
> of you is, this is America, Americas values were and
> are based on Christian values and because of perople
> like you we are slowly but surely getting away from
> being able to voice an opinion beacuase it is not
> politically correct or it offends you. Well so what I
> am excersizing my right of the freedom of speech. I am
> a proud member of the armed forces reserves an rv8A
> builder and the last time I checked an all American
> patriot and lover of freedom. And I just exercised it.
>
> well I am off my soap box flame away. And if your
> going to flame do it publically not privately as we
> are all on this list.
>
> Glenn Williams
>
> do not archive
>
>
> =====
> Glenn Williams
> 8A
> A&P
> N81GW
>
> __________________________________
> http://search.yahoo.com
>
>
________________________________ Message 24
____________________________________
Time: 10:03:36 AM PST US
From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out -
Please Read)
--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Okay guys, this is getting a little out of hand. First, let me
unequivocally state that as a Christian myself, I am in no way offended by
anyone's faith-based signature lines.
HOWEVER, the RV-List is *not* the place for continuing discussions of faith
or religious debates. Reading over the List Usage Guidelines, you will
find the all posts are to be related to RVs in some way (please refer to
http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm ).
The bottom line is, I don't care what people put in their signatures as
long as it isn't obviously offensive. Com'on, we all know what that
means. What I do ask is that people trim their signatures down to a
smallish-size for the sake of the Archive file.
Now, let's get back to RV discussions... Really, I insist...
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin
At 09:21 AM 4/30/2003 Wednesday, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
>
>All: you who know my previous e-mails know that I am
>very religious and where I stand on the issue. That
><...>
>Glenn Williams
>
>do not archive
>
>
>=====
>Glenn Williams
>8A
>A&P
>N81GW
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
There's three sides to every story, babe. There's your's;
there's mine; and there's the cold, hard truth...
Don Henley
Long Way Home, 1982
________________________________ Message 25
____________________________________
Time: 10:03:36 AM PST US
From: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
Subject: Re: RV-List: faith based e-mail
--> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
As glenn williams was saying:
> --> RV-List message posted by: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
>
> non-believers. So listen up and let me offend you.
>
> 1. You have a chance to be saved. (read John 3:16)
> 2. you have a chance to go to hell. (read the Bible)
My religion says that christians will be rendered down for their
fat and tortured eternally by malevolent demons.
The way I see it, you have two choices:
1. Convert to Kyshaism
2. Die and suffer an everlasting pall of agony and horror.
It's all written in a book, too, so it's gotta be real.
I pity you poor non-believers, and fear for your souls; I only want to
convert you because I care.
-Kysh
--
"And the beast shall be made legion. Its numbers shall be increased a
thousand
thousand
fold. The din of a million keyboards like unto a great storm shall cover the
earth,
and
the followers of Mammon shall tremble."
The Book of Mozilla, 3:31
(Red Letter Edition)
do not archive
(I'm very sorry for continuing this- I agree it's off topic, but my 'hackles
are
raised')
________________________________ Message 26
____________________________________
Time: 10:10:14 AM PST US
From: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
Subject: RV-List: Enough now !!
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
PLEASE,
Everyone now S T O P this ongoing NOISE & CLUTTERING UP OF SPACE, as it
really detracts from the original purpose of Matt's List's!
Do Not Archive this either!
________________________________ Message 27
____________________________________
Time: 10:13:14 AM PST US
From: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: faith based e-mail
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Whatever happened to a good old fashioned primer or fixed vs. constant speed
debate?
I miss the old days. *sigh*
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
(insert personal belief here, or at least rent one first and see if you like
it)
do not fold, spindle, mutilate, render, blaspheme, debase or archive this
meager attempt at comic relief
>--> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
>
>As glenn williams was saying:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
> >
> > non-believers. So listen up and let me offend you.
> >
> > 1. You have a chance to be saved. (read John 3:16)
> > 2. you have a chance to go to hell. (read the Bible)
>
>My religion says that christians will be rendered down for their
>fat and tortured eternally by malevolent demons.
>
>The way I see it, you have two choices:
>
>1. Convert to Kyshaism
>2. Die and suffer an everlasting pall of agony and horror.
>
>It's all written in a book, too, so it's gotta be real.
>
>I pity you poor non-believers, and fear for your souls; I only want to
>convert you because I care.
>
>-Kysh
>
>--
>
>"And the beast shall be made legion. Its numbers shall be increased a
>thousand thousand
>fold. The din of a million keyboards like unto a great storm shall cover
>the earth, and
>the followers of Mammon shall tremble."
>
> The Book of Mozilla, 3:31
> (Red Letter Edition)
>
>
>do not archive
>(I'm very sorry for continuing this- I agree it's off topic, but my
>'hackles are raised')
>
>
________________________________ Message 28
____________________________________
Time: 10:24:00 AM PST US
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: BUILDING ON THE CHEAP!
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Okay, I'll fess up.... I've got tons of "Spare Parts" (I've already given
away starters, carbs, ASI's, ELT's, Circuit breakers, etc... for free and
still have some left {lots of circuit breakers}). But I've also got a
Lycoming O-320 D1A with only 200 hours TTSN (total time since new) comes
with Slick-Mags, Precision-Carb, & fuel pump from the factory. It is
currently "pickled" in Aero-Shell preservative oil with desiccant plugs
(Coalinga, Cal. is very dry, but just being careful) and is stored in my
hanger. Asking price is $16-k, new it cost over $23-k, and I think the
current prices are even higher. I haven't advertised it anywhere yet
because I wasn't in a hurry to sell it, but with the weather improving (& my
wife not liking me spending $$ on my current plane), I may put it in
Trade-a-Plane and/or on EBAY soon.
Chuck
daytime phone (559) 935-1525 ext. 139
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: BUILDING ON THE CHEAP!
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
>
> I bought my 1500 hr O320 for $6000 complete including shipping, and the
> prop was used but never flow for $450 I think...
>
> One thing I can say about building on a budget is that it is very easy to
> keep it light, and man do these things fly nice when they are light!
>
> -Bill Vondane - RV-8A
> www.vondane.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Bristol" <bj034@lafn.org>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: BUILDING ON THE CHEAP!
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
>
> Very true Scott, I found my "midtime first overhaul" O-360 in a old
friends
> hangar for 4k! Some instruments from similar sources and a radio from a
> destroyed
> Cherokee. The radio was in need of resurrection but I can do that stuff
> myself.
> My RV6 came in just under 30k and of course I've put another 6-7k worth of
> goodies into it since but 29,000+ gave me a fantastic full panel airplane.
> And the only thing that I paid anyone else to do for me was sewing the
seat
> cushions. I only had one skin of leather and I'm a 50% waste kind of
> upholsterer!
>
> Dave, RV6, So Cal
>
>
> Scott Bilinski wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
> <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
> >
> > I have noticed several builders have mentioned the cost of building.
Some
> > are in the low 30k range others in the low 20 range!!!! I think we need
to
> > document how this is done. Here is what little I can add:
> >
> > I have found that there is real network of people at airports and the
more
> > of them you know the cheaper you can build a plane. For example I have
> seen
> > hundreds of instruments in various hangers which I knowt hey would just
> > about give away. So what I am saying is who you know can make a BIG
> > difference in the cost of building.
> >
> > Anyone else?
> >
> > Scott Bilinski
> > Eng dept 305
> > Phone (858) 657-2536
> > Pager (858) 502-5190
> >
>
>
________________________________ Message 29
____________________________________
Time: 10:24:26 AM PST US
From: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out - Please
Read)
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Thank you for that Matt!
Do not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out - Please
Read)
> --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>
>
> Okay guys, this is getting a little out of hand. First, let me
> unequivocally state that as a Christian myself, I am in no way offended by
> anyone's faith-based signature lines.
>
> HOWEVER, the RV-List is *not* the place for continuing discussions of
faith
> or religious debates. Reading over the List Usage Guidelines, you will
> find the all posts are to be related to RVs in some way (please refer to
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm ).
>
> The bottom line is, I don't care what people put in their signatures as
> long as it isn't obviously offensive. Com'on, we all know what that
> means. What I do ask is that people trim their signatures down to a
> smallish-size for the sake of the Archive file.
>
> Now, let's get back to RV discussions... Really, I insist...
>
> Matt Dralle
> Email List Admin
>
>
> At 09:21 AM 4/30/2003 Wednesday, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
> >
> >All: you who know my previous e-mails know that I am
> >very religious and where I stand on the issue. That
> ><...>
> >Glenn Williams
> >
> >do not archive
> >
> >
> >=====
> >Glenn Williams
> >8A
> >A&P
> >N81GW
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> There's three sides to every story, babe. There's your's;
> there's mine; and there's the cold, hard truth...
>
> Don Henley
> Long Way Home, 1982
>
>
________________________________ Message 30
____________________________________
Time: 10:31:22 AM PST US
From: "Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)" <pwiethe@ford.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re: the "RV-List" versus "Faith Based e-mail
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)" <pwiethe@ford.com>
Whatever happened to the idea of not discussing religion or politics in
strange
company.
For those that care...I wouldn't...I went to parochial schools for 12 years,
so
I had the bible read to me backwords, forwards and sideways, and I don't
suscribe
to this list to hear about it anymore. There are plenty of nice religion
discussion forums on yahoo, etc., so I'd rather not have to filter through
this
list to extract out the RV information...that's the point of having a topic
for the list. Free speech is fine, but let's not turn this list into "The
Tower
of Babble" we know what happened to that...
Phil
RV-8A wings
________________________________ Message 31
____________________________________
Time: 10:34:32 AM PST US
From: "Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)" <pwiethe@ford.com>
Subject: RV-List: Recall: Re: the "RV-List" versus "Faith Based e-mail
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)" <pwiethe@ford.com>
Wiethe, Philip (P.J.) would like to recall the message, "Re: the "RV-List"
versus
"Faith Based e-mail".
________________________________ Message 32
____________________________________
Time: 10:47:49 AM PST US
From: MeangreenRV4@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: Bakersfield Peace Wing & Ride Fly-In @ L45
--> RV-List message posted by: MeangreenRV4@aol.com
Saturday May 3rd
Its a possibility the weather might suck on Saturday but if it doesn't fly
in
to Bakersfield Municipal airport (L45) Hot Rods, Motorcycles, Live Band, BBQ
and some of the hottest airplanes in the valley....see you there!
Tim Barnes
Meangreen RV4
________________________________ Message 33
____________________________________
Time: 10:50:21 AM PST US
From: Miller Robert <rmiller3@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out -Please
Read)
--> RV-List message posted by: Miller Robert <rmiller3@earthlink.net>
Matt Dralle wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>
> Okay guys, this is getting a little out of hand. First, let me
> unequivocally state that as a Christian myself, I am in no way offended by
> anyone's faith-based signature lines.
>
> HOWEVER, the RV-List is *not* the place for continuing discussions of
faith
> or religious debates. Reading over the List Usage Guidelines, you will
> find the all posts are to be related to RVs in some way
<snip>
Matt,
I, like most of the other silent RV listers, have been waiting and hoping
for
you to take the list back from the religious wars.
Thank you for doing so.
I would suggest, though, that no religious information of any sort is
helpful
to the list, even in a signature.
All list members have their own religious beliefs.... or have no such
beliefs.
All and everyone deserve respect.
The multicultural, multiethnic, and multireligious nature of America is
reflected in the list.
All list members participate because of a shared interest in RV's.
Therefore, anyone writing about their own religious beliefs on this list,
signature or not, does two things:
1. Invite those who differ to express their own beliefs.
2. Tacitly (or not so tacitly) suggest that their words should apply to
all.
Neither of these is appropriate, repectful, or helpful.
So, can we simply not have any further religious expression on the RV list?
Just one man's humble opinion.
Robert
________________________________ Message 34
____________________________________
Time: 10:53:00 AM PST US
From: "alexoas" <alexoas21@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: faith based e-mail
--> RV-List message posted by: "alexoas" <alexoas21@hotmail.com>
Greetings Glenn,
Life is too short not to engage in some banter from time to time.
The jest of your post according to you and I quote, is ." I am not, what I
am trying to get through to all of you is, this is America, Americas values
were and are based on Christian values and because of perople like you we
are slowly but surely getting away from being able to voice an opinion
beacuase it is not politically correct or it offends you. Well so what I am
excersizing my right of the freedom of speech. I am a proud member of the
armed forces reserves an rv8A builder and the last time I checked an all
American patriot and lover of freedom. And I just exercised it." .
First, I am very pleased for you that you perceive yourself as a "proud
American, member of the US reserve, a RV8A builder and an all American
patriot," God knows that we need more people like you so the rest of the
world can have adequate opportunity to acquire and practice compassion and
tolerance for others.
Your message serves to reveal to us the practical consequences of following
in the unique footsteps of your beliefs and personal faith.
My choice is not to measure Americans, members of the US Reserve, builders
and aviators of RVs and all other homebuilts, and patriots of America or
other nations of this global village by your testament or point of view.
I neither intend to flame nor delete you. The spirit of this newsletter, is
to have a forum where individuals can voice and share their interests and
knowledge. Those that use an open mind to honestly discuss, debate and
evolve the group understanding provide a service and value for us all. There
is nothing wrong with having a passionate and dedicated conviction that
your strategy and practice is best. However, any sensible and prudent
aviator would best base their choices on real facts and performance records
before they adapt their aircraft or flying practices based on what someone
claims to be the truth, the whole truth.
So in closing, I am truly pleased for you Glenn that you are so happy and
completed by your individual beliefs and convictions. And especially that
your words and manner manifest such an exemplary standard of understanding
and compassion for others of differing views and other cultures. Now if
you would please post your plans and performance specs in this newsletter
so we each can view and consider the value and merit of your claims. After
all you won't advise a VFR pilot to follow an un-proven instructor into an
IFR condition just based on their belief and a promise, would you?
Be well Glenn.
Orest Sokil
----- Original Message -----
From: "glenn williams" <willig10@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: faith based e-mail
> --> RV-List message posted by: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
>
> All: you who know my previous e-mails know that I am
> very religious and where I stand on the issue. That
> said I am tired of pulling punches for you
> non-believers. So listen up and let me offend you.
>
> 1. You have a chance to be saved. (read John 3:16)
> 2. you have a chance to go to hell. (read the Bible)
>
> these are your choices. An after life of pleasure or
> eternal pain. God wants to save all who will listen
> but if you dont that's okay too as God will turn away
> from you and sentence you to an eternity of Weeping
> and gnashing of teeth. Those that want Salvation seek
> and ye shall find, those that dont, dont. It is your
> choice always has been and always will be. Now that we
> understand each other, dont e-mail me about not saying
> anything religious on this list. I will delete you and
> I dont care if it makes you mad. You feel free to
> express your opinion against religion and I feel free
> to preach it so we are at a crossroads. You non
> believers will one day bow at the feet of Jesus Christ
> and try to get into heaven and he will say to you
> "depart from me, I never knew you" now the question of
> the day. DO YOU WANT TO HEAR THOSE WORDS? Some of you
> are going to try and say oh look Glenn is Holier than
> thou. I am not, what I am trying to get through to all
> of you is, this is America, Americas values were and
> are based on Christian values and because of perople
> like you we are slowly but surely getting away from
> being able to voice an opinion beacuase it is not
> politically correct or it offends you. Well so what I
> am excersizing my right of the freedom of speech. I am
> a proud member of the armed forces reserves an rv8A
> builder and the last time I checked an all American
> patriot and lover of freedom. And I just exercised it.
>
> well I am off my soap box flame away. And if your
> going to flame do it publically not privately as we
> are all on this list.
>
> Glenn Williams
>
> do not archive
>
>
> =====
> Glenn Williams
> 8A
> A&P
> N81GW
>
> __________________________________
> http://search.yahoo.com
>
>
________________________________ Message 35
____________________________________
Time: 11:12:51 AM PST US
From: Canyon <steve.canyon@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out -Please
Read)
--> RV-List message posted by: Canyon <steve.canyon@verizon.net>
Matt,
I would like to second Robert's motion and suggest you add politics to
it as well. We need to concentrate on the RV topics and all gain what
we can from this great resource without the inevitable off topic wars
both these subjects incite.
Respectfully,
Steve
Miller Robert wrote:
>All list members participate because of a shared interest in RV's.
>
>Therefore, anyone writing about their own religious beliefs on this list,
>signature or not, does two things:
>1. Invite those who differ to express their own beliefs.
>2. Tacitly (or not so tacitly) suggest that their words should apply
>to all.
>
>Neither of these is appropriate, repectful, or helpful.
>
>So, can we simply not have any further religious expression on the RV
>list?
>
>Just one man's humble opinion.
>
>Robert
---
________________________________ Message 36
____________________________________
Time: 11:25:19 AM PST US
From: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: faith based e-mail & microair 760
--> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
Can the microair 760 monitor the standby freq and do you have to install a
separate intercom to conveniently communicate with the back seater?
Is there something else under a grand which does monitor standby freq and
doesn't way 20 pounds and take up a quarter of the 8 panel space?
do not archive
>From: "alexoas" <alexoas21@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: faith based e-mail
>Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:53:49 -0700
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "alexoas" <alexoas21@hotmail.com>
>
>To: Glenn Williams
>Greetings Glenn,
>
>Life is too short not to engage in some banter from time to time.
>
>The jest of your post according to you and I quote, is ." I am not, what I
>am trying to get through to all of you is, this is America, Americas values
>were and are based on Christian values and because of perople like you we
>are slowly but surely getting away from being able to voice an opinion
>beacuase it is not politically correct or it offends you. Well so what I am
>excersizing my right of the freedom of speech. I am a proud member of the
>armed forces reserves an rv8A builder and the last time I checked an all
>American patriot and lover of freedom. And I just exercised it." .
>
>First, I am very pleased for you that you perceive yourself as a "proud
>American, member of the US reserve, a RV8A builder and an all American
>patriot," God knows that we need more people like you so the rest of
>the
>world can have adequate opportunity to acquire and practice compassion and
>tolerance for others.
>
>Your message serves to reveal to us the practical consequences of
>following
>in the unique footsteps of your beliefs and personal faith.
>
>My choice is not to measure Americans, members of the US Reserve, builders
>and aviators of RVs and all other homebuilts, and patriots of America or
>other nations of this global village by your testament or point of view.
>
>I neither intend to flame nor delete you. The spirit of this newsletter,
>is
>to have a forum where individuals can voice and share their interests and
>knowledge. Those that use an open mind to honestly discuss, debate and
>evolve the group understanding provide a service and value for us all.
>There
>is nothing wrong with having a passionate and dedicated conviction that
>your strategy and practice is best. However, any sensible and prudent
>aviator would best base their choices on real facts and performance
>records
>before they adapt their aircraft or flying practices based on what someone
>claims to be the truth, the whole truth.
>
>So in closing, I am truly pleased for you Glenn that you are so happy and
>completed by your individual beliefs and convictions. And especially that
>your words and manner manifest such an exemplary standard of understanding
>and compassion for others of differing views and other cultures. Now if
>you would please post your plans and performance specs in this
>newsletter
>so we each can view and consider the value and merit of your claims. After
>all you won't advise a VFR pilot to follow an un-proven instructor into
>an
>IFR condition just based on their belief and a promise, would you?
>
>Be well Glenn.
>
>Orest Sokil
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "glenn williams" <willig10@yahoo.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: faith based e-mail
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
> >
> > All: you who know my previous e-mails know that I am
> > very religious and where I stand on the issue. That
> > said I am tired of pulling punches for you
> > non-believers. So listen up and let me offend you.
> >
> > 1. You have a chance to be saved. (read John 3:16)
> > 2. you have a chance to go to hell. (read the Bible)
> >
> > these are your choices. An after life of pleasure or
> > eternal pain. God wants to save all who will listen
> > but if you dont that's okay too as God will turn away
> > from you and sentence you to an eternity of Weeping
> > and gnashing of teeth. Those that want Salvation seek
> > and ye shall find, those that dont, dont. It is your
> > choice always has been and always will be. Now that we
> > understand each other, dont e-mail me about not saying
> > anything religious on this list. I will delete you and
> > I dont care if it makes you mad. You feel free to
> > express your opinion against religion and I feel free
> > to preach it so we are at a crossroads. You non
> > believers will one day bow at the feet of Jesus Christ
> > and try to get into heaven and he will say to you
> > "depart from me, I never knew you" now the question of
> > the day. DO YOU WANT TO HEAR THOSE WORDS? Some of you
> > are going to try and say oh look Glenn is Holier than
> > thou. I am not, what I am trying to get through to all
> > of you is, this is America, Americas values were and
> > are based on Christian values and because of perople
> > like you we are slowly but surely getting away from
> > being able to voice an opinion beacuase it is not
> > politically correct or it offends you. Well so what I
> > am excersizing my right of the freedom of speech. I am
> > a proud member of the armed forces reserves an rv8A
> > builder and the last time I checked an all American
> > patriot and lover of freedom. And I just exercised it.
> >
> > well I am off my soap box flame away. And if your
> > going to flame do it publically not privately as we
> > are all on this list.
> >
> > Glenn Williams
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> > =====
> > Glenn Williams
> > 8A
> > A&P
> > N81GW
> >
> > __________________________________
> > http://search.yahoo.com
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________ Message 37
____________________________________
Time: 11:26:49 AM PST US
From: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: faith based e-mail
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
Well,
I am sure glad I joined this list 2 days ago. I would hate to think I
missed all of the helpful ideas relating the the RV6-A I'm building.
God Bless,
Mike Stephenson
Lubbock, TX
fuselage
________________________________ Message 38
____________________________________
Time: 11:40:02 AM PST US
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Subject: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Okay all you "Nose Draggers", Us "Tail Draggers" have got you beat hands
down. In our Primered, fixed pitched, Beautiful RV-4's we can make a One
Point Landing, drag it down the length of the runway, and take-off without
ever even scuffing our mains. Let's see you "A" types do that. Just admit
it, the RV-4 is the best, the sexiest, the hardest to build, and all the
other RV's wish they were RV-4's (except for the RV-3's, they are like the
little brother of the RV-4).
There now that should get us back on track.
Chuck
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Denk <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: faith based e-mail
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
> Whatever happened to a good old fashioned primer or fixed vs. constant
speed
> debate?
>
> I miss the old days. *sigh*
>
> Brian Denk
> RV8 N94BD
> (insert personal belief here, or at least rent one first and see if you
like
> it)
>
> do not fold, spindle, mutilate, render, blaspheme, debase or archive this
> meager attempt at comic relief
>
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
> >
> >As glenn williams was saying:
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > non-believers. So listen up and let me offend you.
> > >
> > > 1. You have a chance to be saved. (read John 3:16)
> > > 2. you have a chance to go to hell. (read the Bible)
> >
> >My religion says that christians will be rendered down for their
> >fat and tortured eternally by malevolent demons.
> >
> >The way I see it, you have two choices:
> >
> >1. Convert to Kyshaism
> >2. Die and suffer an everlasting pall of agony and horror.
> >
> >It's all written in a book, too, so it's gotta be real.
> >
> >I pity you poor non-believers, and fear for your souls; I only want to
> >convert you because I care.
> >
> >-Kysh
> >
> >--
> >
> >"And the beast shall be made legion. Its numbers shall be increased a
> >thousand thousand
> >fold. The din of a million keyboards like unto a great storm shall cover
> >the earth, and
> >the followers of Mammon shall tremble."
> >
> > The Book of Mozilla, 3:31
> > (Red Letter Edition)
> >
> >
> >do not archive
> >(I'm very sorry for continuing this- I agree it's off topic, but my
> >'hackles are raised')
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________ Message 39
____________________________________
Time: 11:42:52 AM PST US
From: SportAV8R@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: faith based e-mail (DELETE NOW :-)
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
In a message dated 04/30/2003 1:57:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
alexoas21@hotmail.com writes:
> Now if
> you would please post your plans and performance specs in this
> newsletter
> so we each can view and consider the value and merit of your claims.
After
> all you won't advise a VFR pilot to follow an un-proven instructor into
> an
> IFR condition just based on their belief and a promise, would you?
>
Glenn (if I may speak for him) has posted his hypothesis already. Within
the
next hundred years, both you and he will experimentally test and verify or
debunk his premise. If he is wrong, neither of you will even be conscious
to
know about it, nor will either of you, having croaked, be hardly any worse
off for it. If he is right, it's a whole different (and unimaginably long)
ballgame. I have a feeling that Glenn would hardly consider his Instructor
to be "un-proven."
A Google search under "Josh McDowell" and "Lee Strobels" might turn up some
interesting reading that could let you address this topic with a tad more
intellectual honesty that the bluster and fluff arguments I've seen here so
far.
do not archive
________________________________ Message 40
____________________________________
Time: 11:50:27 AM PST US
From: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out - Please
Read)
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers"
<DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Finally, Thanks Matt!!! My check is in the mail!!
DOC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out - Please
Read)
> --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>
>
> Okay guys, this is getting a little out of hand. First, let me
> unequivocally state that as a Christian myself, I am in no way offended by
> anyone's faith-based signature lines.
>
> HOWEVER, the RV-List is *not* the place for continuing discussions of
faith
> or religious debates. Reading over the List Usage Guidelines, you will
> find the all posts are to be related to RVs in some way (please refer to
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm ).
>
> The bottom line is, I don't care what people put in their signatures as
> long as it isn't obviously offensive. Com'on, we all know what that
> means. What I do ask is that people trim their signatures down to a
> smallish-size for the sake of the Archive file.
>
> Now, let's get back to RV discussions... Really, I insist...
>
> Matt Dralle
> Email List Admin
>
>
> At 09:21 AM 4/30/2003 Wednesday, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
> >
> >All: you who know my previous e-mails know that I am
> >very religious and where I stand on the issue. That
> ><...>
> >Glenn Williams
> >
> >do not archive
> >
> >
> >=====
> >Glenn Williams
> >8A
> >A&P
> >N81GW
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> There's three sides to every story, babe. There's your's;
> there's mine; and there's the cold, hard truth...
>
> Don Henley
> Long Way Home, 1982
>
>
________________________________ Message 41
____________________________________
Time: 12:15:37 PM PST US
From: Peter Laurence <dr.laurence@mbdi.org>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Microair 760 VHF users
--> RV-List message posted by: Peter Laurence <dr.laurence@mbdi.org>
What kind of antenna was it?
Peter Laurence
----- Original Message -----
:
>
>
> I'm using the 760 in my RV-4 and I'm happy. I use the intercom also and
> don't have any problems. The only thing I would change on my installation
> would be to add a toggle to leave the intercom on for long conversations.
>
> I would suggest mounting the thing eye level near something you can rest
> your hand on when operating the buttons. It's so small it can be
difficult
> to read at an angle and controls are tough to deal with in rough air if
you
> don't have something to steady your hand against.
>
> I recently changed my antenna to get rid of a whole bunch of issues I had
> that I thought were related to the ELT. It turned out to be a cheap
antenna
> that was transmitting RF junk everywhere. It caused squealing in the
> headset, false ELT trips, and background noise. The new antenna fixed all
> of the issues.
>
>
> Pat Perry
> Dallas, PA
> RV-4 N154PK Flies great!
>
>
> >From: "Al Grajek" <algrajek@msn.com>
> >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >To: rv8-list@matronics.com, rv8list@yahoogroups.com,
rv-list@matronics.com,
> > vansairforce@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: RV-List: Microair 760 VHF users
> >Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:48:10 -0400
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Al Grajek" <algrajek@msn.com>
> >
> >
> >Listers:
> >Is anyone out there using the Microair 760 VHF transreciever? If so, Are
> >you
> >using their intercom system, and if you are, are you happy with it? I am
> >trying to decide whether I should use it or install a different intercom
> >system.
> >Thanks in advance for your comments.
> >Al Grajek
> >RV8
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________ Message 42
____________________________________
Time: 12:22:50 PM PST US
From: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Oh yeah?! Well I can do wheel landings just as well as any A$$ dragger out
there! I may have a nose wheel, but it's rarely on the ground!
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Subject: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Okay all you "Nose Draggers", Us "Tail Draggers" have got you beat hands
down. In our Primered, fixed pitched, Beautiful RV-4's we can make a One
Point Landing, drag it down the length of the runway, and take-off without
ever even scuffing our mains. Let's see you "A" types do that. Just admit
it, the RV-4 is the best, the sexiest, the hardest to build, and all the
other RV's wish they were RV-4's (except for the RV-3's, they are like the
little brother of the RV-4).
There now that should get us back on track.
Chuck
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Denk <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: faith based e-mail
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
> Whatever happened to a good old fashioned primer or fixed vs. constant
speed
> debate?
>
> I miss the old days. *sigh*
>
> Brian Denk
> RV8 N94BD
> (insert personal belief here, or at least rent one first and see if you
like
> it)
>
> do not fold, spindle, mutilate, render, blaspheme, debase or archive this
> meager attempt at comic relief
>
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
> >
> >As glenn williams was saying:
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > non-believers. So listen up and let me offend you.
> > >
> > > 1. You have a chance to be saved. (read John 3:16)
> > > 2. you have a chance to go to hell. (read the Bible)
> >
> >My religion says that christians will be rendered down for their
> >fat and tortured eternally by malevolent demons.
> >
> >The way I see it, you have two choices:
> >
> >1. Convert to Kyshaism
> >2. Die and suffer an everlasting pall of agony and horror.
> >
> >It's all written in a book, too, so it's gotta be real.
> >
> >I pity you poor non-believers, and fear for your souls; I only want to
> >convert you because I care.
> >
> >-Kysh
> >
> >--
> >
> >"And the beast shall be made legion. Its numbers shall be increased a
> >thousand thousand
> >fold. The din of a million keyboards like unto a great storm shall cover
> >the earth, and
> >the followers of Mammon shall tremble."
> >
> > The Book of Mozilla, 3:31
> > (Red Letter Edition)
> >
> >
> >do not archive
> >(I'm very sorry for continuing this- I agree it's off topic, but my
> >'hackles are raised')
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________ Message 43
____________________________________
Time: 12:25:11 PM PST US
From: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out -Please
Read)
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers"
<DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Well said Robert!
Now, on to airplane stuff. My good friends at Harvey Field in Snohomish WA
called today to remind me that the annual "Spring Fling" takes place at
Harvey Field (S43). This is a really fun little event and attracts some very
nice planes, classics and hotrods. I wouldn't miss it!
DOC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Miller Robert" <rmiller3@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out -Please
Read)
> --> RV-List message posted by: Miller Robert <rmiller3@earthlink.net>
>
> Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
> >
> > > >
> > HOWEVER, the RV-List is *not* the place for continuing discussions of
faith
> > or religious debates. Reading over the List Usage Guidelines, you will
> > find the all posts are to be related to RVs in some way
>
> <snip>
>
> Matt,
>
> I, like most of the other silent RV listers, have been waiting and hoping
for
> you to take the list back from the religious wars.
> Thank you for doing so.
>
> I would suggest, though, that no religious information of any sort is
helpful
> to the list, even in a signature.
>
>>
> So, can we simply not have any further religious expression on the RV
list?
>
>
> Robert
>
>
________________________________ Message 44
____________________________________
Time: 12:45:59 PM PST US
From: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
Subject: RV-List: Faith, Christianity, and wheel pants
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club"
<sisson@consolidated.net>
If everyone posts something it will get back on track.
I am mounting the bracket that holds the wheel pants on.
There are some little aluminum spacers that hold the bracket away from the
brakes.
I am having a hard time reading my plans, but it looks like it is 13/32"
I made them that length and the brake disk very lightly rubs the bracket. I
added a washer and there is clearance.
Question is: I am not sure if it is 13/32" or some other number as the plans
are
very hard to read. Anyone been there lately?
Phil Sisson at Litchfield, IL
________________________________ Message 45
____________________________________
Time: 01:09:23 PM PST US
From: "RW" <chiefs@teleport.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: trailering my RV-4
--> RV-List message posted by: "RW" <chiefs@teleport.com>
Ron,
Go to your local auto towing company. The tilt tow truck is just perfect
match to the RV.
Dick White
RV-8 N94DW flying
Old Crow
Newport, OR
Do not archive
________________________________ Message 46
____________________________________
Time: 01:49:24 PM PST US
From: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
Regardless of where the third wheel is located its basic function is a
"taxi/steering" wheel not part of the "landing" gear.
As for the "hardest" to build you left out the RV "derivative" (Van's quote
from RVator) from Bakersfield, John Harmons HRII. You start with an RV-4
and then get into some serious building to make it into a Rocket. HRII 115
hrs N561FS. Waiting for the RV-10. KABONG (GBA) Do Not Archive
> Oh yeah?! Well I can do wheel landings just as well as any A$$ dragger
out
> there! I may have a nose wheel, but it's rarely on the ground!
>
> -Bill
> --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> it, the RV-4 is the best, the sexiest, the hardest to build, and all the
> Chuck
> do not archive
________________________________ Message 47
____________________________________
Time: 01:54:25 PM PST US
From: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
Subject: RV-List: tire sizes
--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson"
<evmeg@snowcrest.net>
I need a quick lesson on sizing tires and tubes...
I think that "11.4 x 5" means an 11 inch diameter x 4 ply x 5" inside
diameter.
Did I get it right?
thanks in advance...
Evan Johnson at proseal HQ
www.evansaviationproducts.com
________________________________ Message 48
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Time: 01:59:07 PM PST US
From: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
Subject: RV-List: Langley RV Fly-in 2003
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing and the Langley Aero Club are holding
the
second annual Langley RV Fly-in on Saturday, June 7, 2003 at Langley airport
(CYNJ), Langley, British Columbia. Langley is about 20 nm north of
Bellingham,
WA. It will be essentially identical to last year's fly-in, only with
better
weather. Keep an eye on the Fly-in web page for details,
http://www.vansairforce.org/CYNJ
For U.S. visitors, the web page has details on the border crossing
procedures.
It's really quite straightforward, and worth the trouble. As Randall
Henderson
of the Home Wing said, "Overcome whatever reservations you have -- its worth
it! Not only for Langley but in general, once you've done the crossing a
time
or two it becomes routine, and what you find out is that there's a whole
other
COUNTRY to explore up there! I can't wait to get back up and do some more
exploring north of the border this summer." (Thanks for the quote,
Randall.)
There will be a seminar on RVs by Eustace Bowhay, and an "Introduction to RV
Building" seminar by me. There's also a People's Choice award for the best
RV,
and a Furthest RV award for the RV that comes from the furthest away. The
Fraser Blues, a local Navion formation team, will do a demonstration. We'll
also have hot dogs and chilli, tours of the Canadian Museum of Flight, free
camping on the field, and lots of RVs to look at. You can come for the day,
camp on the field, or stay in one of the hotels near the airport. There are
links to the local Travelodge on the web page.
Naturally, we're encouraging anyone who wants to fly in, regardless of what
type of airplane they have.
---
Tedd McHenry
Van's Air Force
Western Canada Wing
tedd@vansairforce.org
www.vansairforce.org
________________________________ Message 49
____________________________________
Time: 02:21:03 PM PST US
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: Checkerboarding experiment
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
OK, gang here's your chance to try your ideas on rudder checkerboarding at
no expense too you. Since I have already built the small RV rudder and have
the new rudder about 1/2 way done, I am going to paint the small rudder and
try different techniques in checkerboarding. I plan on splitting the
checkerboard up into four sections and try four different ways to paint it.
One plan is to have a client in the sign business, make me a bunch of vinyl
squares to adhere onto the Imron, paint in the missing squares and remove
the vinyl. The second is to use tape, mask and paint that 1/4 along with
the vinyl stick-on 1/4 in one sitting. Here's where the group comes in:
Does anyone have a technique they want tried? If so, let me know how you
want it done and with what material. I will be checkerboarding gold Imron
over black Imron. I've checked the archives but if anyone has a tried and
proven way let me know, I will want to try that also.
Forget it......just like the Relig word, you can't change my mind about
painting the airplane black:-) Already talked with a couple builders who
have been down that road........the only comment in common was....."You'll
love it". Black exterior, gold trim, gold interior, carbon fiber panel
overlay (remember my first airplane was plastic), black leather
seats.............HOT in more ways than one.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
________________________________ Message 50
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Time: 02:29:50 PM PST US
From: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
> Regardless of where the third wheel is located its basic function is a
> "taxi/steering" wheel not part of the "landing" gear.
You've obviously never seen any of my landings.
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC
-6 wings
________________________________ Message 51
____________________________________
Time: 02:35:28 PM PST US
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Yeah, but tail wheels are cheaper to re-place than mains... so nah nah.
Chuck
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
>
> Oh yeah?! Well I can do wheel landings just as well as any A$$ dragger
out
> there! I may have a nose wheel, but it's rarely on the ground!
>
> -Bill
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> Okay all you "Nose Draggers", Us "Tail Draggers" have got you beat hands
> down. In our Primered, fixed pitched, Beautiful RV-4's we can make a One
> Point Landing, drag it down the length of the runway, and take-off
without
> ever even scuffing our mains. Let's see you "A" types do that. Just
admit
> it, the RV-4 is the best, the sexiest, the hardest to build, and all the
> other RV's wish they were RV-4's (except for the RV-3's, they are like the
> little brother of the RV-4).
>
> There now that should get us back on track.
>
> Chuck
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian Denk <akroguy@hotmail.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: faith based e-mail
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Whatever happened to a good old fashioned primer or fixed vs. constant
> speed
> > debate?
> >
> > I miss the old days. *sigh*
> >
> > Brian Denk
> > RV8 N94BD
> > (insert personal belief here, or at least rent one first and see if you
> like
> > it)
> >
> > do not fold, spindle, mutilate, render, blaspheme, debase or archive
this
> > meager attempt at comic relief
> >
> >
> > >--> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
> > >
> > >As glenn williams was saying:
> > > > --> RV-List message posted by: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
> > > >
> > > > non-believers. So listen up and let me offend you.
> > > >
> > > > 1. You have a chance to be saved. (read John 3:16)
> > > > 2. you have a chance to go to hell. (read the Bible)
> > >
> > >My religion says that christians will be rendered down for their
> > >fat and tortured eternally by malevolent demons.
> > >
> > >The way I see it, you have two choices:
> > >
> > >1. Convert to Kyshaism
> > >2. Die and suffer an everlasting pall of agony and horror.
> > >
> > >It's all written in a book, too, so it's gotta be real.
> > >
> > >I pity you poor non-believers, and fear for your souls; I only want to
> > >convert you because I care.
> > >
> > >-Kysh
> > >
> > >--
> > >
> > >"And the beast shall be made legion. Its numbers shall be increased a
> > >thousand thousand
> > >fold. The din of a million keyboards like unto a great storm shall
cover
> > >the earth, and
> > >the followers of Mammon shall tremble."
> > >
> > > The Book of Mozilla, 3:31
> > > (Red Letter Edition)
> > >
> > >
> > >do not archive
> > >(I'm very sorry for continuing this- I agree it's off topic, but my
> > >'hackles are raised')
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________ Message 52
____________________________________
Time: 02:38:46 PM PST US
From: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
Subject: RV-List: RV-6A transporting advise needed
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
<< If everyone posts something it will get back on track.>>
2 days ago I purchased an incomplete RV-6A kit. All the skin work is
complete, but the tail feathers,wings and cowling are not mounted. The panel
is complete. Canopy frame on but canopy Plexiglas not on. No engine nor prop
(I looking to buy)
I need to get it from Wisconsin to West Texas. Should I haul it on the gear
or off.
My choices are to fly up and rent a one way truck for $ 1,200.00 or go get
it with flat bed trailer and build crates to protect it from the rain and
hail.
What has been your experience?
Regards,
Mike Stephenson
Lubbock, TX
________________________________ Message 53
____________________________________
Time: 02:40:27 PM PST US
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
John,
I thought you "Rocket Scientists" started with a P-51 and cut it down?
At least that's what the Bakersfield Bunch told me.
Chuck
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: John Starn <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
>
> Regardless of where the third wheel is located its basic function is a
> "taxi/steering" wheel not part of the "landing" gear.
> As for the "hardest" to build you left out the RV "derivative" (Van's
quote
> from RVator) from Bakersfield, John Harmons HRII. You start with an RV-4
> and then get into some serious building to make it into a Rocket. HRII
115
> hrs N561FS. Waiting for the RV-10. KABONG (GBA) Do Not Archive
>
> > Oh yeah?! Well I can do wheel landings just as well as any A$$ dragger
> out
> > there! I may have a nose wheel, but it's rarely on the ground!
> >
> > -Bill
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> > it, the RV-4 is the best, the sexiest, the hardest to build, and all the
> > Chuck
> > do not archive
>
>
________________________________ Message 54
____________________________________
Time: 02:43:48 PM PST US
From: Michael McGee <jmpcrftr@teleport.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
--> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee <jmpcrftr@teleport.com>
Sorry dude...it just ain't the same.........P-)
Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, aka J3-with-speed-kit
Hillsboro, OR
13B in gestation mode
At 13:22 2003-04-30 -0600, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
>
>Oh yeah?! Well I can do wheel landings just as well as any A$$ dragger out
>there! I may have a nose wheel, but it's rarely on the ground!
>
>-Bill
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
>Okay all you "Nose Draggers", Us "Tail Draggers" have got you beat hands
>down. In our Primered, fixed pitched, Beautiful RV-4's we can make a One
>Point Landing, drag it down the length of the runway, and take-off without
>ever even scuffing our mains. Let's see you "A" types do that. Just
admit
>it, the RV-4 is the best, the sexiest, the hardest to build, and all the
>other RV's wish they were RV-4's (except for the RV-3's, they are like the
>little brother of the RV-4).
>
>There now that should get us back on track.
>
> Chuck
>do not archive
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Brian Denk <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: faith based e-mail
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Whatever happened to a good old fashioned primer or fixed vs. constant
>speed
> > debate?
> >
> > I miss the old days. *sigh*
> >
> > Brian Denk
> > RV8 N94BD
> > (insert personal belief here, or at least rent one first and see if you
>like
> > it)
> >
> > do not fold, spindle, mutilate, render, blaspheme, debase or archive
this
> > meager attempt at comic relief
________________________________ Message 55
____________________________________
Time: 02:59:24 PM PST US
From: Larygagnon@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Checkerboarding experiment
--> RV-List message posted by: Larygagnon@aol.com
I just finished painting my 6 with a checkerboard pattern on the rudder and
underside of stab and wing. It was a time intensive effort to mask, shoot,
remask, shoot second color (blue and silver on white) and then clear. I
went
to a single stage paint (PPG Concept) when my head cleared and I came to my
senses and it made the fuselage stripes much easier. I probably should
have
masked off the area for checkerboard and painted it all silver then mask off
the squares and with the rest of the wing still masked spray the darker
blue,
it would have saved a lot of time and materials to not have to mask and
remask a number of times. If I had it to do over I'd have used the vinyl
graphics. If you grow tired of your trim design it's possible to change it
without the problems of repainting. I've seen some really sharp paint jobs
with checkerboards but after trying to lay them out myself and not being
happy with the results I kept it pretty simple. Good luck, I'll follow this
thread but I wish you'd started this some months ago. ;-)
Larry Gagnon RV6 N6LG at airport
Kitfox N102LG 220 hrs for sale (need room)
________________________________ Message 56
____________________________________
Time: 03:04:51 PM PST US
From: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-6A transporting advise needed
--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
1. Hitch hike to Wisconsin.
2. Camp there while completing RV
3. Fly home.
________________________________ Message 57
____________________________________
Time: 03:07:08 PM PST US
From: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Checkerboarding experiment
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Other than temp issues, dark colors show up the surface imperfections far
better (or is that worse) than light colors. You might say it magnifies,
dings, ripples, waves, etc.
At 05:20 PM 4/30/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
>OK, gang here's your chance to try your ideas on rudder checkerboarding at
>no expense too you. Since I have already built the small RV rudder and
have
>the new rudder about 1/2 way done, I am going to paint the small rudder and
>try different techniques in checkerboarding. I plan on splitting the
>checkerboard up into four sections and try four different ways to paint it.
>One plan is to have a client in the sign business, make me a bunch of vinyl
>squares to adhere onto the Imron, paint in the missing squares and remove
>the vinyl. The second is to use tape, mask and paint that 1/4 along with
>the vinyl stick-on 1/4 in one sitting. Here's where the group comes in:
>Does anyone have a technique they want tried? If so, let me know how you
>want it done and with what material. I will be checkerboarding gold Imron
>over black Imron. I've checked the archives but if anyone has a tried and
>proven way let me know, I will want to try that also.
>
>Forget it......just like the Relig word, you can't change my mind about
>painting the airplane black:-) Already talked with a couple builders who
>have been down that road........the only comment in common was....."You'll
>love it". Black exterior, gold trim, gold interior, carbon fiber panel
>overlay (remember my first airplane was plastic), black leather
>seats.............HOT in more ways than one.
>
>
>Dana Overall
>Richmond, KY
>RV-7 slider/fuselage
>http://rvflying.tripod.com
>do not archive
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
________________________________ Message 58
____________________________________
Time: 03:18:28 PM PST US
From: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Checkerboarding experiment
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
At 03:20 PM 4/30/2003, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
>OK, gang here's your chance to try your ideas on rudder checkerboarding at
>no expense too you.
I would think that it would be fun to Alodine (Iridite) in a
checkerboard pattern and leave the rest bare alclad (or very light
Alodine.) Very lightweight. Should look very sharp.
One could get fancy and do horizontal stripes in one light pass,
then do vertical stripes in a second "coat" of Alodine. The final effect
would have alternating dark and light Alodine squares, if you know what I
mean.
One could do something similar with "candy" type paint. Or one
could overcoat with candy paint, letting the gold and silver pattern shine
through.
________________________________ Message 59
____________________________________
Time: 03:19:45 PM PST US
From: "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Faith, Christianity, and wheel pants
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club"
<sisson@consolidated.net>
>
> If everyone posts something it will get back on track.
>
> I am mounting the bracket that holds the wheel pants on.
>
> There are some little aluminum spacers that hold the bracket away from the
> brakes.
>
> I am having a hard time reading my plans, but it looks like it is 13/32"
>
> I made them that length and the brake disk very lightly rubs the bracket.
I
> added a washer and there is clearance.
>
> Question is: I am not sure if it is 13/32" or some other number as the
plans are
> very hard to read. Anyone been there lately?
>
> Phil Sisson at Litchfield, IL
Don't have the absolute answer but for all those operating off grass strips,
I would suggest throwing away the aluminum spacer stock that came with the
kit (RV-4 anyway) and getting some steel material. My brackets (and
wheelpants) were constantly getting loose & floppy until I switched to
steel.
Tracy Crook
________________________________ Message 60
____________________________________
Time: 03:33:20 PM PST US
From: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re: RV List: Back to "RV" based debates
--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
Hey Chuck!
**The hardest to build---?? You tail draggers!! You are a spoilt bunch! You
plug
in your gear legs into sockets conveniently provided in the engine mount,
you
have unobstructed access to the bolts that hold the wing spars and the RV-4
has a screwed in-panel nose skin for easy access behind the instrument
panel---etc,
etc. I'd like to see you go through the contortions us slow-build, non
prepunched, RV-6A builders had to endure, like installing and torquing the
76
bolts that hold the wing spars and the main gear leg weldments to the main
bulk-head
with practically impossible access under the weldments, and then crawl
under the instrument sub-panel to buck the rivets securing the nose-skin to
the
main longerons requiring butchered bucking bars to reach the tight places!!
Give me a break!
Cheers!!-----Henry Hore
> Just admit it, the RV-4 is the best, the sexiest, **(the hardest to
build,) and
all the
>other RV's wish they were RV-4's (except for the RV-3's, they are like the
>little brother of the RV-4).----
________________________________ Message 61
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Time: 04:17:55 PM PST US
From: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Faith, Christianity, and wheel pants
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club"
<sisson@consolidated.net>
> Thanks Tracy,
> Do you have the big "pressure recovery pants"? I use steel on my Pitts
and it
> is never loose. Only three 3/16 bolts holding them on, two on inside
(front
> and back of axle) and one on outside in the center of the axle. Never lost
a
> wheel pant yet, even in Lomcevacs.
Phil
>
>
> Don't have the absolute answer but for all those operating off grass
strips,
> I would suggest throwing away the aluminum spacer stock that came with the
> kit (RV-4 anyway) and getting some steel material. My brackets (and
> wheelpants) were constantly getting loose & floppy until I switched to
> steel.
>
> Tracy Crook
>
________________________________ Message 62
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Time: 04:22:51 PM PST US
From: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out - Please
Read)
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Matt,
Thanks,
Chuck
>From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out - Please
>Read)
>Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:03:28 -0700
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>
>
>Okay guys, this is getting a little out of hand. First, let me
>unequivocally state that as a Christian myself, I am in no way offended by
>anyone's faith-based signature lines.
>
>HOWEVER, the RV-List is *not* the place for continuing discussions of faith
>or religious debates. Reading over the List Usage Guidelines, you will
>find the all posts are to be related to RVs in some way (please refer to
>http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm ).
>
>The bottom line is, I don't care what people put in their signatures as
>long as it isn't obviously offensive. Com'on, we all know what that
>means. What I do ask is that people trim their signatures down to a
>smallish-size for the sake of the Archive file.
>
>Now, let's get back to RV discussions... Really, I insist...
>
>Matt Dralle
>Email List Admin
>
>
>At 09:21 AM 4/30/2003 Wednesday, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
> >
> >All: you who know my previous e-mails know that I am
> >very religious and where I stand on the issue. That
> ><...>
> >Glenn Williams
> >
> >do not archive
> >
> >
> >=====
> >Glenn Williams
> >8A
> >A&P
> >N81GW
>
>
>Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> There's three sides to every story, babe. There's your's;
> there's mine; and there's the cold, hard truth...
>
> Don Henley
> Long Way Home, 1982
>
>
________________________________ Message 63
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Time: 04:33:26 PM PST US
From: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Checkerboarding experiment
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers"
<DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Very true, but as George Barris once said, "If it is perfect, paint it
black!" There's no doubt about it, black is cool!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Bilinski" <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Checkerboarding experiment
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
> Other than temp issues, dark colors show up the surface imperfections far
> better (or is that worse) than light colors. You might say it magnifies,
> dings, ripples, waves, etc.
>
>
> At 05:20 PM 4/30/03 -0400, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> >
> > >
> >Forget it......just like the Relig word, you can't change my mind about
> >painting the airplane black:-) Already talked with a couple builders who
> >have been down that road........the only comment in common
was....."You'll
> >love it". Black exterior, gold trim, gold interior, carbon fiber panel
> >overlay (remember my first airplane was plastic), black leather
> >seats.............HOT in more ways than one.
> >
> >
> >Dana Overall
> >Richmond, KY
> >RV-7 slider/fuselage
> >http://rvflying.tripod.com
> >do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
> Scott Bilinski
> Eng dept 305
> Phone (858) 657-2536
> Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
________________________________ Message 64
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Time: 04:34:35 PM PST US
From: "Ralph Koger" <rhkoger@fbx.com>
Subject: RV-List: RV Builders Class
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph Koger" <rhkoger@fbx.com>
> RV Builders Class!!!
>
> Sign up for Cleaveland Aircraft Tool's first structured class to be held
> Friday, June 20th in Boone, Iowa.
>
> The class will last one day and focus on RV metalworking techniques.
>
> Cost for this class will be $100, half of what the following classes will
> be.
>
> After the class stick around for the Boone Area RVators Fly-In on Saturday
> June 21st.
> There is usually 25-30 RVs, and have several projects going together on
the
> field.
>
>
________________________________ Message 65
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Time: 04:36:25 PM PST US
From: "Ralph Koger" <rhkoger@fbx.com>
Subject: RV-List: Boone, IA RVators Fly-in
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph Koger" <rhkoger@fbx.com>
> Boone RVators Fly-In on Saturday June 21st.
>
> The Boone Area RVators will host the annual fly in on Saturday June 21st
in
> Boone Iowa (BNW). We usually have 25-30 RVs fly in, kick tires in the
> morning and have lunch at noon. This year there are three RV projects
being
> assembled in one hangar at the airport. It is a great opportunity for
> finished builders to get together and for beginners to see projects in
> various stages of completion.
>
> See www.cleavelandtool.com for more information.
>
>
________________________________ Message 66
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Time: 04:43:38 PM PST US
From: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: tire sizes
--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
The quick answer is that it would probably be 11.4 inch diameter on a 5 inch
dia. wheel. There are several different numbering conventions. Download this
Goodyear data book from the Desser site and you'll get more info on sizes
than you thought possible.
http://www.desser.com/gydatabook.pdf
It's about a 1mb PDF.
Regards,
Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson"
> --> <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
>
> I need a quick lesson on sizing tires and tubes...
> I think that "11.4 x 5" means an 11 inch diameter x 4 ply x
> 5" inside diameter. Did I get it right?
>
> thanks in advance...
>
> Evan Johnson at proseal HQ
> www.evansaviationproducts.com
>
________________________________ Message 67
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Time: 05:00:22 PM PST US
From: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV List: Back to "RV" based debates
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club"
<sisson@consolidated.net>
Elsa & Henry wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry"
<elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
>
> Hey Chuck!
> **The hardest to build---?? You tail draggers!! You are a spoilt bunch!
You plug
in your gear legs into sockets conveniently provided in the engine mount,
you have unobstructed access to the bolts that hold the wing spars and the
RV-4
has a screwed in-panel nose skin for easy access behind the instrument
panel---etc,
etc. I'd like to see you go through the contortions us slow-build, non
prepunched, RV-6A builders had to endure, like installing and torquing the
76
bolts that hold the wing spars and the main gear leg weldments to the main
bulk-head
with practically impossible access under the weldments, and then crawl
under the instrument sub-panel to buck the rivets securing the nose-skin to
the main longerons requiring butchered bucking bars to reach the tight
places!!
Give me a break!
>
> Cheers!!-----Henry Hore
>
> > Just admit it, the RV-4 is the best, the sexiest, **(the hardest to
build,)
and all the
> >other RV's wish they were RV-4's (except for the RV-3's, they are like
the
> >little brother of the RV-4).----
>
I agree Henry, it ain't easy being easy........... Phil
________________________________ Message 68
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Time: 05:27:51 PM PST US
From: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
Chuck,
After twenty years of flying a supersonic jet fighter - the F-4G -, the
P-51 is small potatoes (can't believe I really had the nerve to type that)
:-) .
I took a novel approach. I started with a RV-4 tail kit. Had to fight with
my co-workers for several months about the Rocket but one hundred hamburger
flight to Bakersfield changed their minds and work on the rocket started.
Flys great.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
> --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> John,
>
> I thought you "Rocket Scientists" started with a P-51 and cut it down?
> At least that's what the Bakersfield Bunch told me.
>
> Chuck
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Starn <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rocket-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Regardless of where the third wheel is located its basic function is a
> > "taxi/steering" wheel not part of the "landing" gear.
> > As for the "hardest" to build you left out the RV "derivative" (Van's
> quote
> > from RVator) from Bakersfield, John Harmons HRII. You start with an
RV-4
> > and then get into some serious building to make it into a Rocket. HRII
> 115
> > hrs N561FS. Waiting for the RV-10. KABONG (GBA) Do Not Archive
> >
> > > Oh yeah?! Well I can do wheel landings just as well as any A$$
dragger
> > out
> > > there! I may have a nose wheel, but it's rarely on the ground!
> > >
> > > -Bill
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> >
> > > it, the RV-4 is the best, the sexiest, the hardest to build, and all
the
> > > Chuck
> > > do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________ Message 69
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Time: 06:15:51 PM PST US
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Checkerboarding experiment
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Imperfections..........we don't need no stinking imperfections (that is
except for that one non standard shop rivet head), you had to see Blazing
Saddles to know that statement:-).
BTW, the rudder is already primed........bring on the ideas you want me to
experiment with and I'll post the results.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
>From: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Checkerboarding experiment
>Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:18:07 -0600
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
>
>At 03:20 PM 4/30/2003, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> >
> >OK, gang here's your chance to try your ideas on rudder checkerboarding
>at
> >no expense too you.
>
> I would think that it would be fun to Alodine (Iridite) in a
>checkerboard pattern and leave the rest bare alclad (or very light
>Alodine.) Very lightweight. Should look very sharp.
>
> One could get fancy and do horizontal stripes in one light pass,
>then do vertical stripes in a second "coat" of Alodine. The final effect
>would have alternating dark and light Alodine squares, if you know what I
>mean.
>
> One could do something similar with "candy" type paint. Or one
>could overcoat with candy paint, letting the gold and silver pattern shine
>through.
>
>
________________________________ Message 70
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Time: 06:30:40 PM PST US
From: WPAerial@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: pattern for stick boot 2ND POST
--> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com
i need a pateren for control stick boot? any ideas?
jerry wilken
albany oregon
rv6a n699wp
________________________________ Message 71
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Time: 06:30:46 PM PST US
From: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV List: Back to "RV" based debates
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
I agree that it's a lot harder to build and maintain a training wheel
airplane,
but you "-A" builders did have a "CHOICE" and now you gotta pay. It probably
would have been easier to just learn how to fly! :-)
Dave RV6, So Cal
please, DO NOT ARCHIVE
Elsa & Henry wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry"
<elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
>
> Hey Chuck!
> **The hardest to build---?? You tail draggers!! You are a spoilt bunch!
You plug
in your gear legs into sockets conveniently provided in the engine mount,
you have unobstructed access to the bolts that hold the wing spars and the
RV-4
has a screwed in-panel nose skin for easy access behind the instrument
panel---etc,
etc. I'd like to see you go through the contortions us slow-build, non
prepunched, RV-6A builders had to endure, like installing and torquing the
76
bolts that hold the wing spars and the main gear leg weldments to the main
bulk-head
with practically impossible access under the weldments, and then crawl
under the instrument sub-panel to buck the rivets securing the nose-skin to
the main longerons requiring butchered bucking bars to reach the tight
places!!
Give me a break!
>
> Cheers!!-----Henry Hore
>
> > Just admit it, the RV-4 is the best, the sexiest, **(the hardest to
build,)
and all the
> >other RV's wish they were RV-4's (except for the RV-3's, they are like
the
> >little brother of the RV-4).----
>
________________________________ Message 72
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Time: 06:37:35 PM PST US
From: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re: RV List: Back to "RV" based debates
--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
And what I forgot to say in my original post is that I was at the ripe old
age of 75 when I did those "contortions"! Tomorrow (May 1) I celebrate my
"trombone" birthday! Still flying---
Cheers!!------Henry
("Seventy Six Trombones were at the big parade--tra-la--")
----- Original Message -----
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Subject: Fw: RV-List: Re: RV List: Back to "RV" based debates
> Henry,
>
> You got me. But notice I'm only admitting this in "private".
>
> Chuck
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elsa & Henry <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
> To: Matronics RV List <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 5:31 PM
> Subject: RV-List: Re: RV List: Back to "RV" based debates
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry"
> <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
> >
> > Hey Chuck!
> > **The hardest to build---?? You tail draggers!! You are a spoilt bunch!
> You plug in your gear legs into sockets conveniently provided in the
engine
> mount, you have unobstructed access to the bolts that hold the wing spars
> and the RV-4 has a screwed in-panel nose skin for easy access behind the
> instrument panel---etc, etc. I'd like to see you go through the
contortions
> us slow-build, non prepunched, RV-6A builders had to endure, like
installing
> and torquing the 76 bolts that hold the wing spars and the main gear leg
> weldments to the main bulk-head with practically impossible access under
the
> weldments, and then crawl under the instrument sub-panel to buck the
rivets
> securing the nose-skin to the main longerons requiring butchered bucking
> bars to reach the tight places!! Give me a break!
> >
> > Cheers!!-----Henry Hore
> >
> > > Just admit it, the RV-4 is the best, the sexiest, **(the hardest to
> build,) and all the
> > >other RV's wish they were RV-4's (except for the RV-3's, they are like
> the
> > >little brother of the RV-4).----
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________ Message 73
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Time: 06:52:28 PM PST US
From: "Bob Hassel" <bob@hassel-usa.com>
Subject: RV-List: RE: RV-10 Update
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hassel" <bob@hassel-usa.com>
New update on the RV-10 on Van's website!
Bob Hassel
________________________________ Message 74
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Time: 07:04:19 PM PST US
Subject: RV-List: Re : Checkerboarding experiment
From: "Martin Hone" <martin.hone@tradergroup.com.au>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Martin Hone"
<martin.hone@tradergroup.com.au>
I am in the process of doing just that. I have decided on vinyl gaphics for
the
fuse but will be painting those for the wings - just in case it decides to
lift
off....
My graphics guy suggests using a low-tack vinyl called Spraymask which comes
off
easy and leaves no residue - made by Polyfilm or Aslan - for masking the
checkers
I will be spray painting over.
Cheers
Martin in Oz
________________________________ Message 75
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Time: 07:11:34 PM PST US
From: "Mr Christopher McGough" <vhmum@bigpond.com>
Subject: RV-List: RV10
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mr Christopher McGough" <vhmum@bigpond.com>
New RV10 stuff posted Vans website!!
Chris and Susie
VH-MUM
________________________________ Message 76
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Time: 07:16:31 PM PST US
From: James Bond <rvflyingisfun@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: WTB Electric Turn Coodinator
--> RV-List message posted by: James Bond <rvflyingisfun@yahoo.com>
If you know where I can get an Turn Coodinator let me know ThanksJames
Bondrvflyingisfun@yahoo.com
---------------------------------
________________________________ Message 77
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Time: 07:19:30 PM PST US
From: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
Subject: Re: RV-List: pattern for stick boot 2ND POST
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
Jerry,
Just get a piece of heavy cloth and a pair of scissors and start cutting.
When you get the shape you want, you've got your pattern. It's really pretty
easy and not critical at all.
Dave
WPAerial@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com
>
> i need a pateren for control stick boot? any ideas?
>
> jerry wilken
> albany oregon
> rv6a n699wp
>
________________________________ Message 78
____________________________________
Time: 07:24:06 PM PST US
Subject: RV-List: RE : BUILDING ON THE CHEAP
From: "Martin Hone" <martin.hone@tradergroup.com.au>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Martin Hone"
<martin.hone@tradergroup.com.au>
The art of scrounging is a definite plus if building to a budget, or you can
get
just plane (pun intended) lucky like a guy I heard of.
He picked up a brand new O-320 D1A and CS prop for AUD$10,000 - that is
around
US$6000 !!! Seems that there was an outfit gearing up to produce some
drones
for the military but folded. I guess we all hear of stories like this....
Cheers
Martin in Oz
________________________________ Message 79
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Time: 07:28:59 PM PST US
From: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
>
> Chuck,
>
> After twenty years of flying a supersonic jet fighter - the F-4G -, the
> P-51 is small potatoes (can't believe I really had the nerve to type that)
> :-) .
WHOA there big guy!!!!! Them is fightn' words!!!! "P-51 is small potatoes"
you say!!!!!
Well you jump in that Rocket and you blast out here and we will do a little
one V one......
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
RV-4 (and P-51 on weekends.....)
________________________________ Message 80
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Time: 07:29:13 PM PST US
From: Dougpsr@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
--> RV-List message posted by: Dougpsr@aol.com
OK Tom, put on your flak suit. The P-51 is #1 in my book.
Doug Preston
RV8 N127EK
________________________________ Message 81
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Time: 07:30:05 PM PST US
From: "Doug Weiler" <dougweil@pressenter.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: pattern for stick boot 2ND POST
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" <dougweil@pressenter.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com
>
> i need a pateren for control stick boot? any ideas?
>
> jerry wilken
> albany oregon
> rv6a n699wp
I had DJ Lauritsen make them for me. Cheap and first class quality.
Doug Weiler
Hudson, WI
N722DW, RV-4
________________________________ Message 82
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Time: 07:36:41 PM PST US
From: Al Mojzisik <prober@iwaynet.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-6A transporting advise needed
--> RV-List message posted by: Al Mojzisik <prober@iwaynet.net>
Thanks John, I needed that.... ;-) AL ( do not archive )
At 04:03 PM 4/30/03 -0600, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
>
>1. Hitch hike to Wisconsin.
>2. Camp there while completing RV
>3. Fly home.
>
>
________________________________ Message 83
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Time: 08:03:49 PM PST US
From: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
Are we to be happy you don't fly a 'craft with "suckem up feet" ?.
(Retractable for those of you in Rio Linda). 8+) Do Not Archive. KABONG
(GBA)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tedd McHenry" <tedd@vansairforce.org>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
> --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
>
> > Regardless of where the third wheel is located its basic function is a
> > "taxi/steering" wheel not part of the "landing" gear.
>
> You've obviously never seen any of my landings.
>
> Tedd McHenry
> Surrey, BC
> -6 wings
________________________________ Message 84
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Time: 08:10:02 PM PST US
From: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
Subject: RV-List: Tools
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
Has anyone used these flat/thin offset drill attachments? They look
like they might come in more handy than a right angle drill?
http://www.usatco.com/drill_extensions_03.asp
--
Chris Woodhouse
3147 SW 127th St.
Oklahoma City, OK 73170
405-691-5206
chrisw@programmer.net
N35 20.492'
W97 34.342'
"They that can give up essential liberty
to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
________________________________ Message 85
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Time: 08:16:33 PM PST US
From: Charlie & Tupper England <cengland@netdoor.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-6A transporting advise needed
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England
<cengland@netdoor.com>
Mike Stephenson wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
>
>
><< If everyone posts something it will get back on track.>>
>
>2 days ago I purchased an incomplete RV-6A kit. All the skin work is
>complete, but the tail feathers,wings and cowling are not mounted. The
panel
>is complete. Canopy frame on but canopy Plexiglas not on. No engine nor
prop
>(I looking to buy)
>
>I need to get it from Wisconsin to West Texas. Should I haul it on the gear
>or off.
>
>My choices are to fly up and rent a one way truck for $ 1,200.00 or go get
>it with flat bed trailer and build crates to protect it from the rain and
>hail.
>
>What has been your experience?
>
>Regards,
>Mike Stephenson
>Lubbock, TX
>
Have you priced round-trip or local (unlimited mileage) rental? It's
usually far cheaper than 1-way. You can also sometimes get a fairly
large truck at the small truck price by picking a location that doesn't
have the smaller trucks on the lot. Ask for the smallest size they have
& they might offer the size you need for the lower price.
If you have access to a full size pickup, you might be able to transport
the project on the pickup itself. I once helped a guy disassemble & load
a flyable Smith Miniplane (biplane) on a mid-size pickup. He hauled it
from Jackson MS to Oklahoma City, around 600 miles.
You could also check the want ads in Wisconsin for used trailers. You
might be able to buy the trailer you need for about the price of a 1 way
truck rental.
Charlie
________________________________ Message 86
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Time: 08:17:17 PM PST US
From: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
NAW ! ! ! ! That would have been way too easy. To start with that much
extra work room it would have made the job a breeze. The "open" spaces from
the firewall foward are measured in 16th's of an inch. Do Not Archive. "Why
Yes, as a matter of fact, N561FS is Rocket Science". KABONG (GBA)
----- Original Message -----
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
> --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> John,
>
> I thought you "Rocket Scientists" started with a P-51 and cut it down?
> At least that's what the Bakersfield Bunch told me.
>
> Chuck
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Starn <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rocket-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Regardless of where the third wheel is located its basic function is a
> > "taxi/steering" wheel not part of the "landing" gear.
> > As for the "hardest" to build you left out the RV "derivative" (Van's
> quote
> > from RVator) from Bakersfield, John Harmons HRII. You start with an
RV-4
> > and then get into some serious building to make it into a Rocket. HRII
> 115
> > hrs N561FS. Waiting for the RV-10. KABONG (GBA) Do Not Archive
> >
> > > Oh yeah?! Well I can do wheel landings just as well as any A$$
dragger
> > out
> > > there! I may have a nose wheel, but it's rarely on the ground!
> > >
> > > -Bill
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> >
> > > it, the RV-4 is the best, the sexiest, the hardest to build, and all
the
> > > Chuck
> > > do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________ Message 87
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Time: 08:47:10 PM PST US
Subject: RV-List: Re: RV-10 Update
From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
<bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Anybody got any idea what the little square hatch is in the top of the
cabin?
It's visible in multiple pictures and one of the windshield install pictures
shows
it with a hinged door.
________________________________ Message 88
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Time: 08:54:18 PM PST US
From: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: pattern for stick boot 2ND POST
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 09:29 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>I had DJ Lauritsen make them for me. Cheap and first class quality.
I visited with Mrs Lauritsen at Oshkosh and ordered two stick boots for my
6a. When they came I was impressed with the quality and all but not
entirely pleased. That whole family are great people!
They were too thick and heavy subduing the feel. I would prefer something
of ripstop nylon or some such. I'll ask my wife if she can still get in
touch with "Ripstop Rose".
Ripstop is made for mountain climbers etc. Light weight, no feel, wind
proof. Perfect.
hal
________________________________ Message 89
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Time: 08:56:46 PM PST US
From: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-6A transporting advise needed
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 10:36 PM 4/30/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Al Mojzisik <prober@iwaynet.net>
Rent out Texas and live in Wisconsin.?
hal
Paying thru the nose in California. Can you believe, sales tax on
insurance???
Faith, God, Crap.
>Thanks John, I needed that.... ;-) AL ( do not archive )
>
>At 04:03 PM 4/30/03 -0600, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
> >
> >1. Hitch hike to Wisconsin.
> >2. Camp there while completing RV
> >3. Fly home.
________________________________ Message 90
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Time: 08:58:58 PM PST US
From: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Tools
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 10:10 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
>
>Has anyone used these flat/thin offset drill attachments? They look
>like they might come in more handy than a right angle drill?
I got all my RV built using a Terry $45 offset attachment. I recommend
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
________________________________ Message 91
____________________________________
Time: 09:03:52 PM PST US
From: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-6A transporting advise needed
--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Moved a project like that from Ohio to South Carolina once.
1. Rented truck in SC (Ryder/U-Haul/Budget ... I forget but check the
archives for the best model)
2. Along with 2 others drove to Ohio
3. Loaded it all up that night (don't forget many blankets and plenty of
rope). If there was an engine you'd need an old tire or two.
4. Drove to hotel on the interstate and got some zzzz's.
5. Drove it all home the next day.
Save yourself some headache and agony. Get the RIGHT truck that will protect
your cargo via a somewhat cushioned ride, out of the rain etc, that is easy
to drive for the long distance.
Get a friens or two to make the trip with you.
Enjoy the ride.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Stephenson
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 5:36 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: RV-6A transporting advise needed
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
>
>
> << If everyone posts something it will get back on track.>>
>
> 2 days ago I purchased an incomplete RV-6A kit. All the skin work is
> complete, but the tail feathers,wings and cowling are not
> mounted. The panel
> is complete. Canopy frame on but canopy Plexiglas not on. No
> engine nor prop
> (I looking to buy)
>
> I need to get it from Wisconsin to West Texas. Should I haul it
> on the gear
> or off.
>
> My choices are to fly up and rent a one way truck for $ 1,200.00 or go get
> it with flat bed trailer and build crates to protect it from the rain and
> hail.
>
> What has been your experience?
>
> Regards,
> Mike Stephenson
> Lubbock, TX
>
>
________________________________ Message 92
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Time: 09:17:49 PM PST US
From: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-6A transporting advise needed
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
Thanks Charlie, several good ideas.
Mike Stephenson
> Have you priced round-trip or local (unlimited mileage) rental? It's
> usually far cheaper than 1-way. You can also sometimes get a fairly
> large truck at the small truck price by picking a location that doesn't
> have the smaller trucks on the lot. Ask for the smallest size they have
> & they might offer the size you need for the lower price.
>
> If you have access to a full size pickup, you might be able to transport
> the project on the pickup itself. I once helped a guy disassemble & load
> a flyable Smith Miniplane (biplane) on a mid-size pickup. He hauled it
> from Jackson MS to Oklahoma City, around 600 miles.
>
> You could also check the want ads in Wisconsin for used trailers. You
> might be able to buy the trailer you need for about the price of a 1 way
> truck rental.
>
> Charlie
________________________________ Message 93
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Time: 09:46:56 PM PST US
From: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: tire sizes
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
> I need a quick lesson on sizing tires and tubes...
> I think that "11.4 x 5" means an 11 inch diameter x 4 ply x 5" inside
diameter.
> Did I get it right?
Okay I have to ask.... which RV are you going to put these "tundra tires"
on? That I'd like to see!
do not archive
________________________________ Message 94
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Time: 09:54:42 PM PST US
From: "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Faith, Christianity, and wheel pants
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club"
<sisson@consolidated.net>
>
> > Thanks Tracy,
>
> > Do you have the big "pressure recovery pants"? I use steel on my Pitts
and it
> > is never loose. Only three 3/16 bolts holding them on, two on inside
(front
> > and back of axle) and one on outside in the center of the axle. Never
lost a
> > wheel pant yet, even in Lomcevacs.
>
> Phil
Yes, using the two piece pressure recovery pants on the -4. I had the same
problem with the old one piece pants though. Don't think the mild
aerobatics I do was a problem but my grass strip played havoc with them.
Get real good tire life on my cheap aerotrainers though. 1300+ hours and
only recently put my third set of tires on.
The -8 I'm building has much better bracket attach scheme using no spacers
so I don't expect to get 'loose pants' on it.
Tracy
________________________________ Message 95
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Time: 10:49:51 PM PST US
From: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV List: Back to "RV" based debates
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
Hi Henry;
We RV-6A builders do have to take a truly "flexible" outlook on life when
tackling those 76 wing bolts, don't we. Shame that RV-7A and beyond builders
will be missing the real centre section bolts experience.
Maybe there should have a special sub-group in the RV culture called "The
Spirit of 76" or similar for -6A builders. (Oops, think that name was used
for something else a few years back south of the border.)
Jim Oke
Winnipeg, Man.
RV-3 C-FIZM
RV-6A C-GKGZ (taxi testing)
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re: RV List: Back to "RV" based debates
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry"
<elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
>
> Hey Chuck!
> **The hardest to build---?? You tail draggers!! You are a spoilt bunch!
You plug in your gear legs into sockets conveniently provided in the engine
mount, you have unobstructed access to the bolts that hold the wing spars
and the RV-4 has a screwed in-panel nose skin for easy access behind the
instrument panel---etc, etc. I'd like to see you go through the contortions
us slow-build, non prepunched, RV-6A builders had to endure, like installing
and torquing the 76 bolts that hold the wing spars and the main gear leg
weldments to the main bulk-head with practically impossible access under the
weldments, and then crawl under the instrument sub-panel to buck the rivets
securing the nose-skin to the main longerons requiring butchered bucking
bars to reach the tight places!! Give me a break!
>
> Cheers!!-----Henry Hore
>
> > Just admit it, the RV-4 is the best, the sexiest, **(the hardest to
build,) and all the
> >other RV's wish they were RV-4's (except for the RV-3's, they are like
the
> >little brother of the RV-4).----
>
>
________________________________ Message 96
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Time: 10:50:36 PM PST US
From: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
Doug,
It might be interesting. I was talking to John Harmon the other day and he
stated that he was able to hold his own with a couple of P-51s which have
crossed his path. Of course, I have the slowest Rocket flying so I may have
the disadvantage .
It would be interesting to see which of us would get a religious experience
from the one V one. (Can I say that anymore under the new rules?)
do not archive
Take care,
Anyway, stop by APV and get a Rocket ride.
Tom Gummo
"GummiBear"
Wild Weasel Society Number 1573
Major, USAF, Retired
F-4G Instructor Pilot
Combat Pilot during Gulf War I, was shot at but they missed :-)
OV-10 Forward Air Controller, missed Vietnam (OK didn't miss anything)
Part Time Instructor of Chemistry at Victor Valley Community College
BS - Chemistry from Cal Ploy Pomona in 1970
Masters Degree in Computer Science from CSUSB in 2001
(so why am I teaching chem - don't ask me but a pay check is a pay check.)
EAA Number 0321966
Pres of EAA Chapter 768
"Air Boss" for the upcoming Apple Valley Air Fair - June 8th - BE THERE
Harmon Rocket II - N561FS, Flying 120 hours
Slowest, Ugliest Rocket, but it is mine and payed for
AND ALL ROUND NICE GUY
How is that for a signature??????
Please do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
> >
> > Chuck,
> >
> > After twenty years of flying a supersonic jet fighter - the F-4G -, the
> > P-51 is small potatoes (can't believe I really had the nerve to type
that)
> > :-) .
>
> WHOA there big guy!!!!! Them is fightn' words!!!! "P-51 is small
potatoes"
> you say!!!!!
>
> Well you jump in that Rocket and you blast out here and we will do a
little
> one V one......
>
> Tailwinds,
> Doug Rozendaal
> RV-4 (and P-51 on weekends.....)
>
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| Subject: | #8 FUEL TANK SCREWS + WAVEY METAL |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
I found a way to remove 85% of the wave, bump, bow, rise, (what ever you
want to call it) of metal between each screw which attaches the tank to the
spar. It really worked for me but sounds a little harsh. What you do is
install all the #8 screws top and bottom, then hit around the head of each
screw with a hammer, after doing a few you will know exactly how to do it,
yes its a little loud. I showed this to a guy at the airport and sure
enough worked for him too.
This area where the tank mounts to the wing really shows, and getting it to
sit down was a priority in my book but nothing I cam up with worked, then
right before paint the 10 watt bulb came on and I tried it and could not
beleive how well it worked. I only had about .020 rise, wave, bump worst
case but now have flush +-.005.
It really worked for me, try it on the bottom of the wing frst. Report back
and let me know how it worked for you. This is my BIG contribution to the
builders group.
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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"vansairforce" <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Anyone flying the Skymap IIIC?
How do you like it?
How did you mount it?
How do you update it?
Thanks!
-Bill VonDane - RV-8A
www.vondane.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Microair 760 VHF users |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Perry" <pperryrv@hotmail.com>
The original was a $40 bent whip with threaded stud connection - available
from Aircraft Spruce. It was replaced by a bent whip with BNC connection.
I don't know the manufacturer of either.
Pat P
>From: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Microair 760 VHF users
>Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:59:34 -0500
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
>
>What was the "cheap antenna" that was causing the problems?
>
>What did you replace it with?
>
>David
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Pat Perry" <pperryrv@hotmail.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Microair 760 VHF users
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Perry" <pperryrv@hotmail.com>
> >
> >
> > I'm using the 760 in my RV-4 and I'm happy. I use the intercom also and
> > don't have any problems. The only thing I would change on my
>installation
> > would be to add a toggle to leave the intercom on for long
>conversations.
> >
> > I would suggest mounting the thing eye level near something you can rest
> > your hand on when operating the buttons. It's so small it can be
>difficult
> > to read at an angle and controls are tough to deal with in rough air if
>you
> > don't have something to steady your hand against.
> >
> > I recently changed my antenna to get rid of a whole bunch of issues I
>had
> > that I thought were related to the ELT. It turned out to be a cheap
>antenna
> > that was transmitting RF junk everywhere. It caused squealing in the
> > headset, false ELT trips, and background noise. The new antenna fixed
>all
> > of the issues.
> >
> >
> > Pat Perry
> > Dallas, PA
> > RV-4 N154PK Flies great!
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | steenking batches!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
That's it. Gracias amigos!
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
>
> That would be "Treasure of Sierra Madre" with Humphry Bogart.
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
>
> Treasure of the Sierra Madre Batches?! We don't need no
> steenking batches!! (read it out loud it will make more sense)
>
> Greg Young <gyoung@cs-sol.com> wrote:--> RV-List message
> posted by: "Greg Young"
>
> Ahhh, but Blazing Saddles got the line from an old western
> who's title eludes me (CRS again).
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall"
> >
> > Imperfections..........we don't need no stinking
> imperfections (that
> > is except for that one non standard shop rivet head), you
> had to see
> > Blazing Saddles to know that statement:-).
> >
> >
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Microair 760 VHF users |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Perry" <pperryrv@hotmail.com>
The problem was probably coming from the connection on the old antenna. I'm
not sure exactly what was happening but the way the antenna was connected to
the coax left an exposed connection behind the ground plane. There was also
the likelyhood the ground plane to shield connection was capacitive also.
There was good continuity through the ground connection but I have no tool
to check reactance through the connection.
the whole story:
From the first week of flight I had problems with in-flight trips of my
ACK-E01 ELT. The Microair 760 worked great and transmitted clear but my
headset was getting lots of background noise that I blamed on the loud
little space I was sitting in. I added a better muff to the electrit mic to
try an cut the background noise in the intercom.
Everyone complemented on how loud and clear my comm radio sounded.
The false trips on the ELT happened when a nearby aircraft xmitted or when I
transmitted. I assumed the electronic latch circuit in the ELT was an even
fraction of a 122.X.Mhz wavelength and was floating high enough to latch up
during a xmit.
Troubleshooting steps:
-Removed all external wiring from ELT (ant, panel reset) and tested with
multiple triggers of the comm.
-cleaned all ground to cable connections associated with the ELT.
-Tested with a different ELT same model
-Sent ELT back to ACK after explaining the issue with them. They said thay
had heard of this problem before and that adding ferrite beads cleared it
up.
-posted multiple messages on the list to see if anyone had suggestions or
some better ideas. I'm an EE but don't do much with RF.
none of these things helped.
After still having the problem when I got the ELT back from ACK I thought
that the antenna location may be the problem so I borrowed a handheld and
tried transmitting from different areas around the plane to see where it was
most sensitive. I couldn't get it to trip with the hand held so I pulled the
antenna off the handheld and plugged it into the Microair. Again no
tripping. I plugged the plane antenna into the handheld and got the glow on
the ELT remote that always indicated near trip. Once I did that it all
started making more sense.
A friend of mine had given me a better antenna right after I had already
installed the one I was using. Pulled it out of the trunk of the car and
plugged it in and didn't see any problems so I took a few hours the next
week and mounted the new antenna.
After using the new antenna I noticed there was very little background noise
in the intercom or when I transmitted. The occasional squeal in the headset
during transmitions went away also. THe ELT hasn't tripped once either.
The old antenna is the same one I see on alot of other planes, it's a bent
tappered rod threaded at one end. There are two halves of procellan
clamshell to insulate the rod from the skin and a ground tab that fits
between the shells with a connection for the ouside of the coax.
Pat Perry
Dallas, PA
RV-4 N154PK Flies great!
>From: P M Condon <pcondon@mitre.org>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Microair 760 VHF users
>Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 09:22:25 -0400
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: P M Condon <pcondon@mitre.org>
>
>I am unable to understand why changing a antenna solved your problems
>?? "Radiating RF junk" is hardly your problem or a apt description of
>the problem. An antenna is a radiating element, cut and matched to the
>frequency you want to x-mit or receive on. As such, the antenna is a
>passive element. Faulty connectors, bad coax, wrong coax, ground
>problems I can understand. Was there any other replaced items, or
>faults found to correctly identify your radio problem....???
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Hi Bill,
I have the IIIC mounted on my panel, and I absolutely love it. I'm working
on another RV6, and will probably put the same GPS in, since it's about the
best "bang for the buck". Nice moving map, easy to use even in bumpy
weather, and wonderful flight planning, etc.. functionality. It works fine
in the sun, but with polarized sun-glasses if you tilt you head wrong it's
hard to read.
I mounted it in my radio stack, since it's just the right width to fit using
the rather expensive flush mount kit from king and a few of my own
brackets.
I haven't updated mine, mainly because I'm cheap and just use it as
reference anyway!
If you'd like more details, contact me off list and we can chat!
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
RV6, N664SB - 102Hrs.
RV6, ??? - Wings almost done
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill VonDane
Subject: RV-List: Skymap IIIC
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Anyone flying the Skymap IIIC?
How do you like it?
How did you mount it?
How do you update it?
Thanks!
-Bill VonDane - RV-8A
www.vondane.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | OT Quotation (was: Checkerboarding experiment) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
At 07:42 AM 5/1/2003, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
>
>Ahhh, but Blazing Saddles got the line from an old western who's title
>eludes me (CRS again).
"Treasure of the Sierra Madre"
Bogart : " If you are the militia, where are your badges?"
Head Bandito: "Badges? Badges? We don't need no stinking badges."
And then the shooting starts.
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| Subject: | Re: Microair 760 VHF users |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Perry" <pperryrv@hotmail.com>
Passive elements are things like resistors. Last I knew antennas were
electrically similar (not the same though) to reactive elements like
capacitors and inductors. The length changes the reactive properties and
causes a resonance at various frequencies relative to wavelength. Any
irregularity in the surface i.e. nuts bolts threads etc. could cause
reflective waves that get send back down the cable into the radio. They may
get amplified and sent out again... and so on and so on....becomming "RF
junk" spraying into the atmosphere like a leaking hose.
If I remeber right, the best antenna is a highly polished surface with no
edges.
Does anyone have any idea how other planes were able to trip my ELT? Please
explain! I still don't understand how that was happening and would like an
RF refresher. Maybe it's all those cheap antennas out there dirtying up the
spectrum.
Pat Perry
Dallas, PA
RV-4 N154PK Flies great!
>From: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Microair 760 VHF users
>Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 12:06:01 EDT
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 05/01/2003 6:19:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>pcondon@mitre.org writes:
>
>
> > I am unable to understand why changing a antenna solved your problems
> > ?? "Radiating RF junk" is hardly your problem or a apt description of
> > the problem. An antenna is a radiating element, cut and matched to the
> > frequency you want to x-mit or receive on. As such, the antenna is a
> > passive element.
>
>If you really believe this, then please give Bob Archer a call at (310)
>316-8796.
>
>Not all antenna's are created equal.
>
>Jim Ayers
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Enough now !! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bert Forero" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
OK BOSS.....
Bert
Do Not Archive
Sign up for Internet Service under $10 dollars a month, at http://isp.BlueLight.com
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| Subject: | Re: Dimpling Stainless |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
When I built the Firewall, after drilling all the holes into the back-up
frame I thought, what the hell, lets see what a countersinked* hole through
SS panel and frame looks like.- Being well aware of the thin gauge of the SS
panel, I used the microstop-countersink to get the holes countersinked so
that the rivet heads were not quite fully flush thus allowing some meat to
hold the panel well. Worked out fine for me to do the whole fire wall that
way. Saved the dimpling operation and separate countersinking of the angles
that way. The rivet heads really look and feel flush. Cleaveland's #30
countersink stood up very well!
Cheers!!-----Henry Hore
*-Countersinked, or Countersunk?? Advice please?
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| Subject: | Re: Dimpling Stainless |
--> RV-List message posted by: terence.gannon@telus.net
Thank you, Henry, Scott, Harry and Art for your useful tips...they are all
very much appreciated. For Henry's benefit, try;
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=countersink
Darn near the most useful utility on the web! Thanks again, all...cheers...TCG
do not archive
Quoting Elsa & Henry <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
>
> When I built the Firewall, after drilling all the holes into the back-up
<snip>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
These GPS's are pushing 3 G's. You mentioned they are the best for the
buck. Are you sure there is nothing cheaper that works just as good? I
would think there is, but am not familiar enough with GPS's over $1800.00.
What about that Anywhere map?
At 02:57 PM 5/1/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>
>Hi Bill,
>
>I have the IIIC mounted on my panel, and I absolutely love it. I'm working
>on another RV6, and will probably put the same GPS in, since it's about the
>best "bang for the buck". Nice moving map, easy to use even in bumpy
>weather, and wonderful flight planning, etc.. functionality. It works fine
>in the sun, but with polarized sun-glasses if you tilt you head wrong it's
>hard to read.
>
>I mounted it in my radio stack, since it's just the right width to fit using
>the rather expensive flush mount kit from king and a few of my own
>brackets.
>
>I haven't updated mine, mainly because I'm cheap and just use it as
>reference anyway!
>
>If you'd like more details, contact me off list and we can chat!
>
>Cheers,
>Stein Bruch
>RV6, N664SB - 102Hrs.
>RV6, ??? - Wings almost done
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill VonDane
>To: rv-list@matronics.com; rv8list@yahoogroups.com; vansairforce
>Subject: RV-List: Skymap IIIC
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
>
>Anyone flying the Skymap IIIC?
>How do you like it?
>How did you mount it?
>How do you update it?
>
>Thanks!
>
>-Bill VonDane - RV-8A
>www.vondane.com
>
>do not archive
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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--> RV-List message posted by: RGray67968@aol.com
Hi Bill!!
> Anyone flying the Skymap IIIC?
Yup - lots of 'em flying in RV's
> How do you like it?
I LOVE mine (every chance I get).
> How did you mount it?
'Rack Mount' and you CAN recess it so it's on the same plain as the rest of
your stack. I mention this cause lots of folks leave the unit 'sticking out'
about 5/8" farther than the radios.......so, mount it flush with the radios
with the rack mount. BTW......the rack mount will let you remove the GPS from
the panel in about 8 seconds (or less) to transfer info to/from your PC.
> How do you update it?
>
Just purchase a 'new' card (was $200 at Sun 'n Fun). They mail it to ya', you
change it out (about 1 minute) and mail them the 'old' card in the package
provided.
>
> Thanks!
Anytime Bill - get the enhanced version and you will LOVE the topo. I paid
$1900 for mine about 2 years ago from Gulf Coast - probably cheaper now.
Would I buy it again - yup.....in a heartbeat. EVERYONE who flys in my plane
compliments me on the GPS.........EVERYONE.....period!! ......I just set
myself up now didn't I :
)
Rick Gray RV6 in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm (forward to Rosie - as he's been
flying his for about 1300 plus hours and he's not on the list)
please archive
>
> -Bill VonDane - RV-8A
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| Subject: | Re: Checkerboarding experiment-stinking update |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Well, I've got good news and bad news. Statements made by builders saying
don't use vinyl as a masking agent were confirmed by my sign making client.
Vinyl is made to stick, not come off while the paint is still tackey. With
that said, it looks like two choices have risen to the top of the heap. The
sticky transfer tape that you squeegee vinyl transfers onto a surface work
great for masking. As you know, if you have applied vinyl, this stuff if
made to peel off. I have a partially used up roll to experiment more with.
This tape is called Conform Series 4075-RLA. The roll I have is 6" wide, so
if you want 6" block checkerboard this may be the stuff for you. I'll let
all know how it works.
The better choice, it appears, is a product that is made for masking. He is
looking up the product names, again I will post this. This product is made
to go through a sign manufacturer's plotter/cutter. We played around with
checkerboarding on his computer. We pulled it, distorted it and generally
drug the image all differnet ways. This could be really cool. The steps
would be to come up with a final design, run the masking product through the
plotter/cutter, apply this overlay to the rudder and paint away, let the
paint tack up and remove the masking. The trick is going to see just how
tight we can make the 90s where cutouts are cut. If all else fails, he can
just cut a bunch of masking squares based on the .jpg design and I'll have
to lay them out.
"Mongo like alum."
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | Drilling stainless (was: Dimpling Stainless) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
>. Having said that, stainless does raise bloody
>hell with drill bits very quickly.
The key to drilling stainless is to use low rpm. You also must
apply enough pressure to generate a good chip. The drill bit won't last if
you don't use lubricant.
Aluminum will cut well up at 600 surface feet per minute using
ordinary high-speed tool steel drill bits. Stainless steel, on the other
hand, requires that you slow down to 60 or sometimes as low 30 feet per
minute, depending on the alloy. For example, using a 1/4 inch drill in
aluminum, you can spin it at 9000 RPM and get away with it. The same 1/4
inch drill in stainless will burn up if you go much over 800 RPM in stainless.
If you double the drill diameter, you must turn 1/2 as fast. If
you halve the drill diameter, you can turn twice as fast.
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| Subject: | Re: Checkerboarding experiment |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RW" <chiefs@teleport.com>
john etal,
I did checkerboard on the nose of my RV-8. It wasn't a lot of fun, but
interesting and tedious. I tried most of what has been mentenioned so
far... without success. I finally painted the area I wanted checkers a base
color. In my case red. Then I masked the red and painted yellow checkers
over the red.
Dick White
RV-8 N94DW flying
Old Crow
Newport, OR
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--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Scott,
I am an AnyWhereMap owner from "way back".
We have the KMD-150 in our RV6
My RV flying buddy in the hangar next door has the SkyMap IIIC.
With that as background ...
The KMD-150 is about $2850 and is built to be panel mounted. Comes with
ability to attach stormscope.
The SkyMap III-C (same user interface/different packaging/display technology
and NO external interface) is a bit less (don't have the numbers before me
but think roughly $1000 less. It is "portable" (though not "built-in battery
operated") and requires ship's power.
Both units are large displays that have buttons and a "joystick" that makes
selecting items in bumpy air quite easy.
AnyWhereMap is in a different category ... smaller, harder to use in rough
air. AnywhereMap **IS** more innovative and supplies a lot more "slick
stuff" (I mean that positively).
We concluded that the KMD-150 (or SkyMap IIIC), KT76A, SL40 combination is
about the best setup one can get if "bang for buck" is considered **and**
you want at least that level of functionality. [Display size, 2nd frequency
monitoring, generally available (though old) transponder]
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott Bilinski
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 4:35 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Skymap IIIC
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
> <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
> These GPS's are pushing 3 G's. You mentioned they are the best for the
> buck. Are you sure there is nothing cheaper that works just as good? I
> would think there is, but am not familiar enough with GPS's over $1800.00.
> What about that Anywhere map?
>
>
> At 02:57 PM 5/1/03 -0500, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
> >
> >Hi Bill,
> >
> >I have the IIIC mounted on my panel, and I absolutely love it.
> I'm working
> >on another RV6, and will probably put the same GPS in, since
> it's about the
> >best "bang for the buck". Nice moving map, easy to use even in bumpy
> >weather, and wonderful flight planning, etc.. functionality. It
> works fine
> >in the sun, but with polarized sun-glasses if you tilt you head
> wrong it's
> >hard to read.
> >
> >I mounted it in my radio stack, since it's just the right width
> to fit using
> >the rather expensive flush mount kit from king and a few of my own
> >brackets.
> >
> >I haven't updated mine, mainly because I'm cheap and just use it as
> >reference anyway!
> >
> >If you'd like more details, contact me off list and we can chat!
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Stein Bruch
> >RV6, N664SB - 102Hrs.
> >RV6, ??? - Wings almost done
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill VonDane
> >To: rv-list@matronics.com; rv8list@yahoogroups.com; vansairforce
> >Subject: RV-List: Skymap IIIC
> >
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
> >
> >Anyone flying the Skymap IIIC?
> >How do you like it?
> >How did you mount it?
> >How do you update it?
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >-Bill VonDane - RV-8A
> >www.vondane.com
> >
> >do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
> Scott Bilinski
> Eng dept 305
> Phone (858) 657-2536
> Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Handy dictionary -- was Dimpling Stainless |
--> RV-List message posted by: Canyon <steve.canyon@verizon.net>
terence.gannon@telus.net wrote:
>http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=countersink
>
>Darn near the most useful utility on the web! Thanks again,
>all...cheers...TCG
>
>do not archive
---
Here's a freebie dictionary resident utility I also find extremely
useful and complete: http://wordweb.info
Just hilite any word on screen anywhere and invoke Wrdweb with a hotkey
or a click and it'll tell all you ever wanted to know about the word.
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Checkerboarding experiment |
--> RV-List message posted by: James Freeman <flyeyes@bellsouth.net>
On Thursday, May 1, 2003, at 10:06 AM, Boyd C. Braem wrote:
>
> Dana--
>
> Nope, not "Treasure of the Sierra Madre", either.
>
> Actually, the origin of that quote is from Humphrey Bogart, in one of
> his
> first (and probably silliest) roles, playing a "mexican" bandito in
> the Erroll
> Flyn movie "Virginia City"---Humph and his boys are robbing a
> stagecoach and
> they tell their victims that they are a sheriff's posse--one of the
> victims
> then asks to see their badges--"Badges? We don't need no stinkin'
> badges!"
>
> Dana Overall wrote:
Oh boy, as much as I hate to do this (wincing)
do not archive
see:
http://www.darryl.com/badges/
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
Thanks, Doc....Always wondered how many places "Stinking Badges" was said.
How have you been? I'm busting my tail down here at Fort Rucker. Hope to
get a long weekend and head up to Memphis sometime soon. I'd love to get
some fixed wing time for a change sometime!
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Freeman" <flyeyes@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Checkerboarding experiment
> --> RV-List message posted by: James Freeman <flyeyes@bellsouth.net>
>
>
> On Thursday, May 1, 2003, at 10:06 AM, Boyd C. Braem wrote:
>
> >
> > Dana--
> >
> > Nope, not "Treasure of the Sierra Madre", either.
> >
> > Actually, the origin of that quote is from Humphrey Bogart, in one of
> > his
> > first (and probably silliest) roles, playing a "mexican" bandito in
> > the Erroll
> > Flyn movie "Virginia City"---Humph and his boys are robbing a
> > stagecoach and
> > they tell their victims that they are a sheriff's posse--one of the
> > victims
> > then asks to see their badges--"Badges? We don't need no stinkin'
> > badges!"
> >
> > Dana Overall wrote:
>
> Oh boy, as much as I hate to do this (wincing)
>
> do not archive
>
> see:
>
> http://www.darryl.com/badges/
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dimpling Stainless |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
I'd be very concerned about countersinking instead of dimpling the firewall. To
countersink for a #4 rivet you must have at least a .050 sheet. I know,
stainless is stronger than aluminum but the rivet is still aluminum and is
hanging on by the "skin of its teeth" (wonder where that saying came from?). And
for me, dimpling is easier than countersinking anyway.
Dave RV6 So Cal
EAA Technical Counselor
Elsa & Henry wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
>
> When I built the Firewall, after drilling all the holes into the back-up
> frame I thought, what the hell, lets see what a countersinked* hole through
> SS panel and frame looks like.- Being well aware of the thin gauge of the SS
> panel, I used the microstop-countersink to get the holes countersinked so
> that the rivet heads were not quite fully flush thus allowing some meat to
> hold the panel well. Worked out fine for me to do the whole fire wall that
> way. Saved the dimpling operation and separate countersinking of the angles
> that way. The rivet heads really look and feel flush. Cleaveland's #30
> countersink stood up very well!
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--> RV-List message posted by: "sdavis12" <sdavis12@midsouth.rr.com>
BADGES!!! oh no not again!!!!
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
Subject: RV-List: Badges
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
>
> Thanks, Doc....Always wondered how many places "Stinking Badges" was said.
> How have you been? I'm busting my tail down here at Fort Rucker. Hope to
> get a long weekend and head up to Memphis sometime soon. I'd love to get
> some fixed wing time for a change sometime!
>
> Paul
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Freeman" <flyeyes@bellsouth.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Checkerboarding experiment
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: James Freeman <flyeyes@bellsouth.net>
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, May 1, 2003, at 10:06 AM, Boyd C. Braem wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Dana--
> > >
> > > Nope, not "Treasure of the Sierra Madre", either.
> > >
> > > Actually, the origin of that quote is from Humphrey Bogart, in one of
> > > his
> > > first (and probably silliest) roles, playing a "mexican" bandito in
> > > the Erroll
> > > Flyn movie "Virginia City"---Humph and his boys are robbing a
> > > stagecoach and
> > > they tell their victims that they are a sheriff's posse--one of the
> > > victims
> > > then asks to see their badges--"Badges? We don't need no stinkin'
> > > badges!"
> > >
> > > Dana Overall wrote:
> >
> > Oh boy, as much as I hate to do this (wincing)
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > see:
> >
> > http://www.darryl.com/badges/
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Dimpling Stainless |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Norman" <jgnorman@tampabay.rr.com>
Agreed. This is NOT structurally sound.
"Danger Will Robinson!"
jim
Tampa
6A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dave Bristol
Subject: Re: RV-List: Dimpling Stainless
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
I'd be very concerned about countersinking instead of dimpling the firewall.
To
countersink for a #4 rivet you must have at least a .050 sheet. I know,
stainless is stronger than aluminum but the rivet is still aluminum and is
hanging on by the "skin of its teeth" (wonder where that saying came from?).
And
for me, dimpling is easier than countersinking anyway.
Dave RV6 So Cal
EAA Technical Counselor
Elsa & Henry wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry"
<elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
>
> When I built the Firewall, after drilling all the holes into the back-up
> frame I thought, what the hell, lets see what a countersinked* hole
through
> SS panel and frame looks like.- Being well aware of the thin gauge of the
SS
> panel, I used the microstop-countersink to get the holes countersinked so
> that the rivet heads were not quite fully flush thus allowing some meat to
> hold the panel well. Worked out fine for me to do the whole fire wall that
> way. Saved the dimpling operation and separate countersinking of the
angles
> that way. The rivet heads really look and feel flush. Cleaveland's #30
> countersink stood up very well!
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Allen Checca" <achecca@concentric.net>
I just did this and what I did was make a 55 degree template using the
protractor on my table saw and cardboard. Them I put the template on
the elevator and moved the rudder over until it toughed. The short edge
of the template was parallel to the rivet lines on the elevator and the
hypotenuse was against the rudder.
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of emrath
Subject: RV-List: Rudder mounting
--> RV-List message posted by: emrath <emrath@comcast.net>
The instructions, Section 15, of my RV-6A manual state the Rudder is to
be
mounted and stops put on the fuselage so that there is 35 degree
movement
from side to side. Can someone tell me how to measure this movement?
It
seems a template cut to fit the side of the VS and Rudder modified to
make a
35 degree swing out is in order. However, the swing point is either the
center line of the VS and so the fuselage, or it is the forward side
edge of
the rudder. Can anyone (and everyone) explain how they did this?
Marty in Brentwood TN, Having fun putting the big pieces together.
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| Subject: | Re: Circuit Breakers |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Curt Reimer" <cgreimer@mb.sympatico.ca>
Anyone contemplating the use of fuses would do well to read "The
AeroElectric Connection" to get the whole story on modern aircraft
electrical system design.
To do it right, you must design your electrical system so that blowing a
fuse in flight does not impact the safety of the flight. You do this by
having backup systems. For example, the use of an essential bus and a main
bus and, for example, instrument post lights and flood lights each on a
separate circuit on a different fuse on a different bus. Having two radios
on different circuits, etc. or whatever else you deem critical to the safety
of the flight.
Many of the "saved by resetting the circuit breaker" stories that I have
heard are cases of older spam can aircraft with non-redundant systems.
Having fused redundant systems beats the pants off single-points-of-failure
protected by circuit breakers in terms of reliability and safety.
There are many other factors to consider. There is much more to it than just
fuses vs. breakers. The book tells all.
Curt
> >Fuses are cheaper still - and better.
>
> Fuses are "different" but not necessarily "better."
>
> I had electrical failures in two different aircraft. One plane
had
> fuses and the other had circuit breakers. It was completely impossible for
> me to find the bad fuse and to change it while in flight (especially at
> night with the lights not working.) I put the flashlight in my mouth and
> landed the plane with no lights. Definitely no fun at all.
>
> Conversely, finding the tripped breaker and resetting it was no
> problem at all. I could have done it by feel in the dark if need be. I had
> to reset it twice, actually, to get the gear to come down. This would have
> been very very difficult, if not impossible, with fuses.
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder mounting |
--> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
Sorry to see your email a few days too late, but I haven't check my
email in a while. I just did the rudder angle measurement. Normally
when I mount the rudder, elevator, or aileron, since I know I'm not
mounting it for the last time, I don't use a bolt. I use a tapered pin
made from a short piece of 3/16 rod from the hardware store. I wrap a
few turns of masking tape around one end it to keep it from sliding all
the way thru the mounting hole. To measure the rudder angle, I replaced
the pin in the top rudder rod-end bearing with one about 8 inches long,
so it stuck up an inch or so above the top of the VS.
Then I took a piece of poster board and drew out a straight line
that points forward along the long axis of the plane and a few other
lines pointing aft at 35, 34, 33, degrees either side of the line.
Where the 3 lines intersect, I punched a 3/16 hole. Then I mounted this
ontop of the rudder by sliding it down on the elongated 3/16 rod
described above. You'll need a step ladder so you can look down on it
all from the top.
Cut the forward dimension of the poster board so it is 1/4" or so
short of the forward tip of the VS. You can now rotate the posterboard
so the forward end of the line points precisely to the forward edge of
the VS. The portion of the poster board that is aft of the 3/16 rod
should be cut to a radius about the 3/16 rod that is just long enough to
almost cover up the aft tip of the rudder. The aft tip of the rudder
should be sticking out a 1/4" or so beyond the cardboard. So, you now
have a protractor mounted to the VS and can swing the rudder side to
side to see if it swings far enough and where to position the stops.
emrath wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: emrath <emrath@comcast.net>
>
>Can someone tell me how to measure this movement? It
>seems a template cut to fit the side of the VS and Rudder modified to make a
>35 degree swing out is in order. However, the swing point is either the
>center line of the VS and so the fuselage, or it is the forward side edge of
>the rudder. Can anyone (and everyone) explain how they did this?
>
>Marty in Brentwood TN, Having fun putting the big pieces together.
>
>
>
>
--
Tom Sargent
RV-6A
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| Subject: | Extra wing tanks. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob W M Shipley" <Rob@RobsGlass.com>
"Brian" <bsowell@digitex.net wrote-
"Subject: Re: Structural Question
There are some guys in Dallas I think that have engineered a tube
tank that adds 8 gallons total to the 9a. It is a 5 or 6 inch 6061
tube that slides into the leading edge ribs of each wing (4 gallons
each) and is secured in place. A pressure input (from bottom-of-the-
wing pressure) forces the fuel into the main tanks. They've tested
it to 9 G's, I think. I read about this on their website, but I
don't remember what the address is. "
If these guys have tested their tank that's fine but what is required is g testing
of the WING with the tank installed and filled to capacity. Anything else
is misleading and dangerous.
Rob
Rob W M Shipley
RV9A N919RV Fuselage - now a canoe!!!
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