RV-List Digest Archive

Fri 05/02/03


Total Messages Posted: 42



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 05:20 AM - LRI system on a RV9A (Williams Hildred)
     2. 05:28 AM - AvWebs picture of the Week (mstewart@qa.butler.com)
     3. 06:54 AM - Re: tire sizes (Evan and Megan Johnson)
     4. 06:54 AM - checkerboard painting (Frazier, Vincent A)
     5. 07:11 AM - RV's are for sissies :-) (Frazier, Vincent A)
     6. 08:00 AM - Re: Skymap IIIC (Chris Good)
     7. 08:18 AM -  Dimpling Stainless (Elsa & Henry)
     8. 08:57 AM - Re: RV's are for sissies :-) (John Starn)
     9. 09:17 AM - MakingAnAlternatorPulley (DAVID REEL)
    10. 09:46 AM - Re: Dimpling Stainless (Jim Jewell)
    11. 09:46 AM - Re: rv-list: skymap III (Crosley, Rich)
    12. 10:00 AM - WTB Electric Turn and Bank Coordinator. (James Bond)
    13. 10:16 AM - Re: Dimpling Stainless (Jim Jewell)
    14. 10:44 AM - Re: MakingAnAlternatorPulley (Elsa & Henry)
    15. 11:41 AM - Re: RV-6A transporting advise needed (engines)
    16. 11:50 AM - Re: Dimpling Stainless (Rob Prior)
    17. 12:36 PM - Re: skymap III (Stein Bruch)
    18. 01:38 PM - pics of RV8A airplane paint job (Dwpetrus@aol.com)
    19. 01:42 PM - Web Site builder documentation of RV projects - Chris Good's (David Carter)
    20. 02:21 PM - Alternative to rudder pedals (Chris W)
    21. 02:34 PM - Re: Alternative to rudder pedals (Kyle Boatright)
    22. 02:45 PM - Re: Alternative to rudder pedals (Dan Checkoway)
    23. 02:50 PM - Re: skymap III (Scott Reichel)
    24. 02:58 PM - Re: Alternative to rudder pedals (Terry Watson)
    25. 02:58 PM - Re: Alternative to rudder pedals (Chris W)
    26. 03:20 PM - Re: RV-6A transporting advise needed (Mike Stephenson)
    27. 04:18 PM - Re: Alternative to rudder pedals (Michael McGee)
    28. 06:49 PM - SL30 & GX60 for Sale (Gary Coonan)
    29. 06:56 PM - Re: Rudder mounting (emrath)
    30. 07:06 PM - GX60 & SL30 for sale (Gary Coonan)
    31. 07:15 PM - radio tran prob (WPAerial@aol.com)
    32. 08:08 PM - Re: MakingAnAlternatorPulley (James E. Clark)
    33. 08:37 PM - Lightspeed Electronic Ignition O-320-H2AD, mounting bracket plans (Robert Blum)
    34. 08:48 PM - Re: MakingAnAlternatorPulley (Denis Walsh)
    35. 09:05 PM - Langley BC Fly-In June 7th (BBreckenridge@att.net)
    36. 09:21 PM - Re: MakingAnAlternatorPulley (Jim Jewell)
    37. 09:21 PM - Re: radio tran prob (kempthornes)
    38. 09:33 PM - Re: Langley BC Fly-In June 7th (Jim Jewell)
    39. 09:37 PM - Re: Alternative to rudder pedals (Vanremog@aol.com)
    40. 09:46 PM - Re: Alternative to rudder pedals (Jerry Springer)
    41. 10:01 PM - Re: Alternative to rudder pedals (Doug Shenk)
    42. 11:42 PM - Rebuilding engines (Gordon Robertson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:20:49 AM PST US
    From: "Williams Hildred" <WilliamsJrHildred@JohnDeere.com>
    Subject: LRI system on a RV9A
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Williams Hildred" <WilliamsJrHildred@JohnDeere.com> I am helping a friend install the LRI on a RV9A. When the probe is inserted into the angle and plate supplied with the kit, there is an 'open area' in front of the probe. This 'open area' will also be cut into the center wing inspection cover, if the LRI template is used to cut the center wing inspection cover. Should the 'cut out' slot ONLY allow the probe to be inserted thru the probe plate and the inspection cover. OR Should the 'cutout' in the inspection cover be cut the same size as the cutout in the probe plate?? Should the extra 'cutout' hole be filled or closed after the correct angle is determined?? Will the 'open area' create a problem in the flying or flight characteristic of the wing?? Thank you in advance for your help. Hildred Williams WilliamsJrHildred@JohnDeere.com


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    Time: 05:28:28 AM PST US
    From: mstewart@qa.butler.com
    Subject: AvWebs picture of the Week
    tests=AWL,HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME,USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.53 --> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com Check out the AvWEB photo of the week. I think I know those guys! Team RV, Echelon Rt, spaced for photo. Lead Paul Stratman #2 Mike Stewart #3 Danny Kight #4 Greg Hunsicker http://www.avweb.com/potw/ <http://www.avweb.com/potw/> Mike Stewart <style> <!-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} tt {font-family:"Courier New";} span.EmailStyle17 {font-family:Arial; color:windowtext;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style> <tt><span style='font-size: 10.0pt'>Check out the AvWEB photo of the week. I think I know those guys!</tt> <tt><span style='font-size: 10.0pt'>Team RV, Echelon Rt, spaced for photo.</tt> <tt><span style='font-size: 10.0pt'>Lead Paul Stratman</tt> <tt><span style='font-size: 10.0pt'>#2 Mike Stewart</tt> <tt><span style='font-size: 10.0pt'>#3 Danny Kight</tt> <tt><span style='font-size: 10.0pt'>#4 Greg Hunsicker</tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> <tt><a href="http://www.avweb.com/potw/">http://www.avweb.com/potw/</tt> <span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial'> <span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial'>Mike Stewart <span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>


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    Time: 06:54:46 AM PST US
    From: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
    Subject: Re: tire sizes
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net> They are not going on any RV, I just made it up.....I was just trying to figure out how the sizing designation works.. Thanks guys...Evan www.evansaviationproducts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com> Subject: Re: RV-List: tire sizes > --> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com> > > > I need a quick lesson on sizing tires and tubes... > > I think that "11.4 x 5" means an 11 inch diameter x 4 ply x 5" inside > diameter. > > Did I get it right? > > Okay I have to ask.... which RV are you going to put these "tundra tires" > on? That I'd like to see! > > do not archive > >


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    Time: 06:54:49 AM PST US
    Subject: checkerboard painting
    From: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu> SNIP How about going to the sign shop, and getting a checkerboard paint mask. They have a cutter than works like a pen plotter, and should be able to cut out a very accurate checkerboard. Buy two of them, apply one and paint one color, then offset the other mask and paint the other color. SNIP You don't need 2 masks unless your are a masochist to save 0.1oz of paint weight. Just paint the base color over the entire area, your rudder for example, and then apply the checkeboard mask, scuff the area to be painted carefully with scotchbrite, and apply the contrasting color. Peel the mask off when dry, crack open a beer and marvel at how awesome it will look at 200mph. Vince


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    Time: 07:11:58 AM PST US
    Subject: RV's are for sissies :-)
    From: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu> SNIP > > **The hardest to build---?? You tail draggers!! You are a spoilt bunch! You plug in your gear legs into sockets conveniently provided in the engine mount, you have unobstructed access to the bolts that hold the wing spars and the RV-4 has a screwed in-panel nose skin for easy access behind the instrument panel---etc, etc. I'd like to see you go through the contortions us slow-build, non prepunched, RV-6A builders had to endure, like installing and torquing the 76 bolts that hold the wing spars and the main gear leg weldments to the main bulk-head with practically impossible access under the weldments, and then crawl under the instrument sub-panel to buck the rivets securing the nose-skin to the main longerons requiring butchered bucking bars to reach the tight places!! Give me a break! > > > > Cheers!!-----Henry Hore > > > > > Just admit it, the RV-4 is the best, the sexiest, **(the hardest to build,) and all the > > >other RV's wish they were RV-4's (except for the RV-3's, they are like the > > >little brother of the RV-4).---- SNIP You guys are killing me. I've built or helped build a 4,6,7,8,9 and a Rocket. (yes, a self-proclaimed expert!) If you think just getting access to a few bolts makes a project tough, for goodness sakes don't try to build a Rocket. You'll wet your pants just looking over the 2 (or 3) sets of non-coordinating plans. Then when you see that giant pile of NOT prepunched metal that is 100% full of parts that almost fit, you'll have a heart attack on the spot. :-) I must be crazy because I've almost got the F-1H airframe finished. I can't look at it without softly singing that old Johnny Cash song "I got it one piece at a time, and it cost me all my dimes. You'll know it's me when I roar o'er your town." Vince Crazy airplane builder.... bbbb, bbbbll, bbbll, bbbb (flip lips with finger) P.S. Keep building... you're gonna love it, regardless of what RV it is!!!!!!!!!!


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    Time: 08:00:17 AM PST US
    From: "Chris Good" <chrisjgood@lycos.com>
    Subject: Re: Skymap IIIC
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Chris Good" <chrisjgood@lycos.com> Bill, I have been flying with a Skymap IIIC in my panel for nearly 3 yrs. I had it updated at Oshkosh a couple of years ago to add the terrain features (excellent, but not too useful in flat Wisconsin!). I used the rack mount hardware to integrate it with my radio stack, although as someone else noted, it wouldn't be too hard to fabricate a custom mount. I'm very happy with the unit. I mounted a Gretz GPS antenna on the glare shield & have never had the unit lose it's GPS position. It's connected to my Navaid A/P, via the Porcine coupler built in to the Navaid (that's an option). I can set up a flight plan (the Skymap can store ~99 plans) with multiple legs & the Navaid will follow it perfectly, including the turns. The "Systems" section on my website includes a wiring drawing for the Skymap & Navaid, but it's not complicated. Also, there's a photo at the end of the "photo-log" "panel" page. Bendix King has the Skymap IIIC user manual available for free download, if you're interested: http://bendixking.com/static/bk_club/pilotguides/techpubs/1100110431_8.pdf I really like the Skymap! Regards, Chris Good, West Bend, WI RV-6A N86CG 530 hrs flying http://rv.supermatrix.com -- On Thu, 1 May 2003 12:32:39 Bill VonDane wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com> > >Anyone flying the Skymap IIIC? >How do you like it? >How did you mount it? >How do you update it? > >Thanks! > >-Bill VonDane - RV-8A >www.vondane.com > Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail!


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    Time: 08:18:53 AM PST US
    From: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
    Subject: Dimpling Stainless
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com> You are right about the required thickness of a sheet for countersinking #4 rivet but in reviewing the plans, I took into consideration that the firewall was acting like a shield and it would be further held to the frame by all items like the engine mounts which are bolted right through it. The frame stiffening gussets would still be anchored by the rivets set into the countersunk holes in the aluminum angles. With the exception of fuel line penetration elbow and cable penetration shields, I have no massive items hanging from the SS panel itself. The brackets holding my oil cooler, the sensors manifold, etc, are all bolted right through into the frame angles providing further anchoring of the SS panel. I have my gascolator mounted inside the port wing root. Nice and cool there Cheers! Henry Hore. --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org> >I'd be very concerned about countersinking instead of dimpling the firewall. To >countersink for a #4 rivet you must have at least a .050 sheet. I know, >stainless is stronger than aluminum but the rivet is still aluminum and is >hanging on by the "skin of its teeth" (wonder where that saying came from?). And >for me, dimpling is easier than countersinking anyway. > >Dave RV6 So Cal >EAA Technical Counselor


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    Time: 08:57:16 AM PST US
    From: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: RV's are for sissies :-)
    --> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net> Dang.. Vince if ya'll keep talken 'bout Rockets and Johnny Cash days (RV pre-punch types) is a gonna tink all Rocket types are from Bakersfield, we's all ben dare done dat. "Why Yes, as a matter of fact, N561FS is Rocket Science" Do Not Archive 8+) KABONG. (GBA) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu> Subject: RV-List: RV's are for sissies :-) (yes, a self-proclaimed expert!) see that giant pile of NOT prepunched metal that is 100% full of parts that almost fit, you'll have a heart attack on the spot. :-) I must be crazy because I've almost got the F-1H airframe finished. I can't look at it without softly singing that old Johnny Cash song "I got it one piece at a time, and it cost me all my dimes. You'll know it's me when I roar o'er your town." Vince Crazy airplane builder.... bbbb, bbbbll, bbbll, bbbb (flip lips with finger) P.S. Keep building... you're gonna love it, regardless of what RV it is!!!!!!!!!!


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    Time: 09:17:33 AM PST US
    From: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
    Subject: MakingAnAlternatorPulley
    --> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net> To improve the reliability of Vans 35amp alternator, which I calculate will turn 10,500rpm at full throttle with the standard pulley, I'm thinking of machining one myself on a lathe. Our EAA chapter has a lathe but most of my experience, aside from one shop class long ago, has been on a wood lathe. Once I get the cowling positioned & make a foot to prevent it from rising, I'll fill the rest of the space with the biggest pulley that will fit. I'm not worried about the alternator turning too slow as other posts have convinced me it'll be turning faster than it did in it's automotive application with any reasonable size that will fit. Could those of you with machining experience suggest the type and source of steel billet material suitable for a pulley of say 4" in diameter or less? Would aluminum be good? The existing pulley weighs 11oz. Is there a book that would familiarize me with the correct proceedures/problems? A local chapter member can show me how to use the lathe, but I don't know what to aim for. Dave Reel - RV8A


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    Time: 09:46:26 AM PST US
    From: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
    Subject: Re: Dimpling Stainless
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net> Hi Henry, I this case I strongly advise you to contact Van's engineering dept. You could be running the risk of straying more than just a bit away from the designer's primary structural requirements. In my opinion' the countersinking process you describe will create a whole lot of knife edged cutters on a structure that serves multi functions. Functions such as: fire barrier, equipment mounting plate for firewall forward and cabin interior, and most important 'the primary forward most diagonal fuselage structural member'. My understanding of the dimple's purpose in this application is to mechanically lock the stainless steel sheeting into it's structural framework in sheer so as to eliminate any movement under loads. I realize that there are a lot of reasons to think that the engine mount etc. provides diagonal strength etc.but there are other forces at play here. For instance, one that concerns me is the effects of hi, low and harmonic vibrations and how they might act on all those little very sharp stainless steel "cutters". In my minds eye I can imagine a lot of smoking rivets showing up in time. I am not expert enough and unwilling to pretend that I comprehend 'all' the ramifications of veering away from the designer's requirements in this way and in this case. Please take the contents of this this email as a friendly note of caution from a concerned list member with only the best intent in mind. Jim in Kelowna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com> Subject: RV-List: Dimpling Stainless > --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com> > > > You are right about the required thickness of a sheet for countersinking #4 > rivet but in reviewing the plans, I took into consideration that the > firewall was acting like a shield and it would be further held to the frame > by all items like the engine mounts which are bolted right through it. The > frame stiffening gussets would still be anchored by the rivets set into the > countersunk holes in the aluminum angles. With the exception of fuel line > penetration elbow and cable penetration shields, I have no massive items > hanging from the SS panel itself. The brackets holding my oil cooler, the > sensors manifold, etc, are all bolted right through into the frame angles > providing further anchoring of the SS panel. I have my gascolator mounted > inside the port wing root. Nice and cool there > > Cheers! Henry Hore. > > --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org> > > >I'd be very concerned about countersinking instead of dimpling the > firewall. To > >countersink for a #4 rivet you must have at least a .050 sheet. I know, > >stainless is stronger than aluminum but the rivet is still aluminum and is > >hanging on by the "skin of its teeth" (wonder where that saying came > from?). And > >for me, dimpling is easier than countersinking anyway. > > > >Dave RV6 So Cal > >EAA Technical Counselor > >


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    Time: 09:46:32 AM PST US
    From: "Crosley, Rich" <RCROSLEY@HRTEXTRON.TEXTRON.COM>
    Subject: re: rv-list: skymap III
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Crosley, Rich" <RCROSLEY@HRTEXTRON.TEXTRON.COM> Yesterday I called Pacific Coast Avionics to ask about the SkymapIIIC and the KMD-150. What's the difference, besides the price? The KMD-150 is about $700 more than the Skymap, but from the ads it's hard to tell what the difference is. Both are color. Evidently, they have about the same features the primary difference is that the Skymap is designed as a portable unit and the KMD-150 is designed for panel installation. The Skymap can be panel mounted but you have to buy a special kit and, I believe, you need a permanent mount GPS antenna too. By the time you buy the extra stuff the cost will be pretty much the same and the KMD-150 looks better on the panel. I am going to go with the KMD-150. Rich Crosley RV-8, engine, panel Palmdale, CA


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    Time: 10:00:13 AM PST US
    From: James Bond <rvflyingisfun@yahoo.com>
    Subject: WTB Electric Turn and Bank Coordinator.
    --> RV-List message posted by: James Bond <rvflyingisfun@yahoo.com> WTB Electric Turn and Bank Coordinator. Anyone have one for sale. ThanksJames Bondrvflyingisfun@yahoo.com ---------------------------------


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    Time: 10:16:52 AM PST US
    From: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
    Subject: Re: Dimpling Stainless
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net> As an added note because I forgot to include it in the last email: One of the other loads that will be experienced by the firewall will be buffeting caused by the pressurized cooling air passing through the cowling area. the loading rates and temperature changes will vary considerably. Jim in Kelowna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com> Subject: RV-List: Dimpling Stainless > --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com> > > > You are right about the required thickness of a sheet for countersinking #4 > rivet but in reviewing the plans, I took into consideration that the > firewall was acting like a shield and it would be further held to the frame > by all items like the engine mounts which are bolted right through it. The > frame stiffening gussets would still be anchored by the rivets set into the > countersunk holes in the aluminum angles. With the exception of fuel line > penetration elbow and cable penetration shields, I have no massive items > hanging from the SS panel itself. The brackets holding my oil cooler, the > sensors manifold, etc, are all bolted right through into the frame angles > providing further anchoring of the SS panel. I have my gascolator mounted > inside the port wing root. Nice and cool there > > Cheers! Henry Hore. > > --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org> > > >I'd be very concerned about countersinking instead of dimpling the > firewall. To > >countersink for a #4 rivet you must have at least a .050 sheet. I know, > >stainless is stronger than aluminum but the rivet is still aluminum and is > >hanging on by the "skin of its teeth" (wonder where that saying came > from?). And > >for me, dimpling is easier than countersinking anyway. > > > >Dave RV6 So Cal > >EAA Technical Counselor > >


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    Time: 10:44:10 AM PST US
    From: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
    Subject: Re: MakingAnAlternatorPulley
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com> For that same high RPM reason, I bought a 4" dia one that fits Van's alternator, made of aluminum, nicely machined, from Spruce, Part # P/N 07-06828. See my Post 4/21/03 re Alt Cooling Air Required? Cheers!!---Henry Hore


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    Time: 11:41:25 AM PST US
    From: "engines" <engines@a-e-r-o.com>
    Subject: Re: RV-6A transporting advise needed
    --> RV-List message posted by: "engines" <engines@a-e-r-o.com> I HAVE HELPED HAUL SEVERAL AIRPLANES ON OPEN TRAILERS.TAKE LOTS OF CARPET PADING AND A LARGE ROOL OF PLASTIC WRAP. I KNOW WHERE THERE IS A COUPLE OF MID TIME ENGINES OR POSSIBLE SET YOU UP WITH A NEW ONE.LET ME KNOW WHAT SPECIFIC ENGINE YOU ARE LOOKING FOR.WE HAVE TWO OF THE 180 HP FRONT FUEL INJECTED AVAILABLE. JESSE ROBINSON A.E.R.O. AVIATION ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com> > > ><< If everyone posts something it will get back on track.>> > >2 days ago I purchased an incomplete RV-6A kit. All the skin work is >complete, but the tail feathers,wings and cowling are not mounted. The panel >is complete. Canopy frame on but canopy Plexiglas not on. No engine nor prop >(I looking to buy) > >I need to get it from Wisconsin to West Texas. Should I haul it on the gear >or off. > >My choices are to fly up and rent a one way truck for $ 1,200.00 or go get >it with flat bed trailer and build crates to protect it from the rain and >hail. > >What has been your experience? > >Regards, >Mike Stephenson >Lubbock, TX > >


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    Time: 11:50:38 AM PST US
    From: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
    Subject: Re: Dimpling Stainless
    --> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca> Jim Jewell wrote: > In this case I strongly advise you to contact Van's engineering dept. You > could be running the risk of straying more than just a bit away from the > designer's primary structural requirements. While i'm just starting my RV, I did take a few courses at university on light aircraft design and structures... I too would be *very* concerned about countersinking the firewall vs. dimpling, and would urge you to discuss this with Vans A/C before you proceed further. Henry Hore wrote: >>You are right about the required thickness of a sheet for countersinking >>#4 rivet but ... That "but" is a *very* large BUT. There's a reason there's a required thickness of sheet for countersinking. If the sheet is too thin, you end up with, as Jim says, a Stainless Steel cutter that will slice right through your rivets as vibration and thermal expansion and contration work on them. Keep in mind that a dimpled joint is a different animal than a flat riveted joint. In the former, the dimpled skins share the shear load at that joint with the rivet (although off the top of my head I don't know the exact distribution). In the latter, the rivet is taking 100% of the shear load at that joint, and the load is only concentrated by counter- sinking the harder/stronger metal on one side. Again, I urge you to contact Vans and discuss the construction of your firewall if it doesn't match the drawings/instructions. Van is a very capable engineer, who probably doesn't want to make the job any harder for us than it already is, so the dimples are probably there for a reason. All that being said, it's entirely possible that the loading at this location is such that countersinking is acceptable. But without either having it analyzed professionally or getting confirmation from Van that it was okay, I would not recommend changing the design at such a critical location in the structure. -Rob P rv7 "at" b4 "dot" ca


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    Time: 12:36:10 PM PST US
    From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
    Subject: skymap III
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com> Rich, You bring up a good point. If you buy a SKYMAPIIC for list price, then tack on the "permanent" antenna, the panel mount, etc.. the price ends up in the neighborhood of a KMD-150. That being said, you can routinely pick up the IIIC's on the internet for $1500-1800.00 which is SIGNIFICANTLY less than a KMD-150. Also, the cost of the antenna is a mute point, because you have to buy it for the KMD-150 also. The supplied antenna for the IIIC works fine. It's mounted flat on my glarshield and is only 3/4" tall, 2x2" square and is conveniently colored black. I agree the KMD-150 is a great unit, but there is no reason you can't have a IIIC completely installed for $1000.00 less than the KMD. Not much money for those who already have lots of it, but for some of us it buys a radio! (Or half a Dynon Unit)! Cheers, Stein Bruch RV6 Minneapolis. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Crosley, Rich Subject: RV-List: re: rv-list: skymap III --> RV-List message posted by: "Crosley, Rich" <RCROSLEY@HRTEXTRON.TEXTRON.COM> Yesterday I called Pacific Coast Avionics to ask about the SkymapIIIC and the KMD-150. What's the difference, besides the price? The KMD-150 is about $700 more than the Skymap, but from the ads it's hard to tell what the difference is. Both are color. Evidently, they have about the same features the primary difference is that the Skymap is designed as a portable unit and the KMD-150 is designed for panel installation. The Skymap can be panel mounted but you have to buy a special kit and, I believe, you need a permanent mount GPS antenna too. By the time you buy the extra stuff the cost will be pretty much the same and the KMD-150 looks better on the panel. I am going to go with the KMD-150. Rich Crosley RV-8, engine, panel Palmdale, CA


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    Time: 01:38:38 PM PST US
    From: Dwpetrus@aol.com
    Subject: pics of RV8A airplane paint job
    al@vtc.net, HWDJAD@aol.com, rdugas@bayou.com, Elrod3794@aol.com, jandgf@iamerica.net, jdgummere@dow.com, bobhalsell@yahoo.com, bobby.hargrave@att.net, Travlnbus@aol.com, cjohnson@jpjcpa.com, biff@mchsi.com, KellyRHoward@aol.com, PSILeD@aol.com, lois_memaw@yahoo.com, SIDLOVE@INU.NET, jeffnaul@msn.com, rentmoor@rochelle.net, capetrus@hotmail.com, Dwpetrus@aol.com, PRYORE@aol.com, rrogersjr@jam.rr.com, crogers1@jam.rr.com, RV-LIST@matronics.com, RV8-LIST@matronics.com, DerFlieger@aol.com, miketerry@kjlo.com, info@vansaircraft.com, WALLB@OIBANK.COM --> RV-List message posted by: Dwpetrus@aol.com The paint and graphics were completed today. Check out the attached airplane. Wayne Petrus RV8A West Monroe, LA


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    Time: 01:42:05 PM PST US
    From: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
    Subject: Web Site builder documentation of RV projects - Chris Good's
    --> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net> Chris Good, Thanks for calling attention to your excellent website. I've looked at others (not all, by any means) and have seen others who have posted "some" info on their RV - but your site is absolutely fabulous! Total documentation of anything I could think of to look up. - I highly recommend this web site to anyone building an RV!! Just yesterday I got my courage up again and did the first update/practice on my own primitive website since Nov 2000. I've changed computers since then and had to find and learn how to use a different FTP uploader pgm, and made a new checklist on how to add "daily" (periodic) update pages to the site. Now the wife & I need to learn how to download pictures from our digital camera we bought last Fall and have never downloaded. I am at the stage of creating schematics and wiring diagrams for my RV-6 electrical system, and plan to use IntelliCAD (open architecture clone of, and compatible with, Autocad ), starting off with, and modifying, Bob Nuckoll's drawings and symbols. I noticed your nice wiring info - color, etc. What program did you use to create such elegantly simple and clear graphic info? About your website, did you copy source code from someone else - like I do - and modify it? Or, did you have a professional web site person design it for you? I have the 27 page "NCSA - A Beginner's Guide to HTML" document that I printed off the internet - I use it for my main reference for HTML stuff . I create & edit web documents with Notepad, the simplest text editor. Any tips for us new guys to "web site documentation of our projects"? David Carter http://www.datarecall.net/~dcarter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Good" <chrisjgood@lycos.com> Subject: Re: RV-List: Skymap IIIC > --> RV-List message posted by: "Chris Good" <chrisjgood@lycos.com> > > Bill, > > I have been flying with a Skymap IIIC in my panel for nearly 3 yrs. <snip>> <snip> The "Systems" section on my website includes a wiring drawing for the Skymap & Navaid, but it's not complicated. Also, there's a photo at the end of the "photo-log" "panel" page. > <snip> > Regards, > > Chris Good, > West Bend, WI > RV-6A N86CG 530 hrs flying > http://rv.supermatrix.com


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    Time: 02:21:41 PM PST US
    From: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
    Subject: Alternative to rudder pedals
    --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net> As I was looking into what it is going to take to get my PPL with my handicap, I read about paraplegics flying using some kind of contraption to work the rudder pedals with their hands. I don't even want to think about the complexity of the use and design of that mechanism with a yoke type control. While I don't need any modification to the standard controls, this got me thinking, and I think I have an idea for a similar adaptation for an RV or most any stick controlled airplane. At or near the top of the stick you could have two handles welded to the stick on both sides. Then you could have it setup so it could twist inside it's mount. Then down at the pivot point you could have some kind of connection to the rudder cables. Then to activate the rudder, you would just use the handles to twist the stick. It would take some work to design the connection to the rudder cables, but rigging it up to twist and welding the handles to the sides of the stick would be pretty easy. I don't know if anyone knows some one that could benefit form some thing like this but I thought I would throw it out there just in case. do not archive Chris W BTW I resisted sending more comments on the recent off topic discussion and on off topic discussion in general. and instead posted my comments to my web site if anyone is interested. http://cdw.homelinux.com:8088/Diatribes.html


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    Time: 02:34:16 PM PST US
    From: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
    Subject: Re: Alternative to rudder pedals
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net> Chris, This has already been done on an RV. There was an article covering it in Sport Aviation several (5?) years ago. You might track down that builder and use his ideas. KB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris W" <chrisw3@cox.net> Subject: RV-List: Alternative to rudder pedals > --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net> > > As I was looking into what it is going to take to get my PPL with my > handicap, I read about paraplegics flying using some kind of contraption > to work the rudder pedals with their hands. I don't even want to think > about the complexity of the use and design of that mechanism with a yoke > type control. While I don't need any modification to the standard > controls, this got me thinking, and I think I have an idea for a similar > adaptation for an RV or most any stick controlled airplane. At or near > the top of the stick you could have two handles welded to the stick on > both sides. Then you could have it setup so it could twist inside it's > mount. Then down at the pivot point you could have some kind of > connection to the rudder cables. Then to activate the rudder, you would > just use the handles to twist the stick. It would take some work to > design the connection to the rudder cables, but rigging it up to twist > and welding the handles to the sides of the stick would be pretty easy. > I don't know if anyone knows some one that could benefit form some thing > like this but I thought I would throw it out there just in case. > > do not archive > > Chris W > > BTW I resisted sending more comments on the recent off topic discussion > and on off topic discussion in general. and instead posted my comments > to my web site if anyone is interested. > http://cdw.homelinux.com:8088/Diatribes.html > >


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    Time: 02:45:59 PM PST US
    From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
    Subject: Re: Alternative to rudder pedals
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com> Chris, I admire your determination! You should also consider the need for differential braking in your design. Hand brake levers on each "handle" or something like that. Unless you will always fly with a "brake operator" in the right seat, in either model (tailwheel or nosewheel) differential braking is absolutely critical for ground ops. do not archive )_( Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris W" <chrisw3@cox.net> Subject: RV-List: Alternative to rudder pedals > --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net> > > As I was looking into what it is going to take to get my PPL with my > handicap, I read about paraplegics flying using some kind of contraption > to work the rudder pedals with their hands. I don't even want to think > about the complexity of the use and design of that mechanism with a yoke > type control. While I don't need any modification to the standard > controls, this got me thinking, and I think I have an idea for a similar > adaptation for an RV or most any stick controlled airplane. At or near > the top of the stick you could have two handles welded to the stick on > both sides. Then you could have it setup so it could twist inside it's > mount. Then down at the pivot point you could have some kind of > connection to the rudder cables. Then to activate the rudder, you would > just use the handles to twist the stick. It would take some work to > design the connection to the rudder cables, but rigging it up to twist > and welding the handles to the sides of the stick would be pretty easy. > I don't know if anyone knows some one that could benefit form some thing > like this but I thought I would throw it out there just in case. > > do not archive > > Chris W > > BTW I resisted sending more comments on the recent off topic discussion > and on off topic discussion in general. and instead posted my comments > to my web site if anyone is interested. > http://cdw.homelinux.com:8088/Diatribes.html > >


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    Time: 02:50:40 PM PST US
    From: Scott Reichel <scott.reichel@cctechnol.com>
    Subject: skymap III
    --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Reichel <scott.reichel@cctechnol.com> While I'm all for saving money, I'm curious about the outputs of the Skymap IIIC versus those of the KMD-150, most specifically the output rate... I've found in the Skymap manual that it outputs nav info at a rate of once every two seconds. The manual for the KMD-150 doesn't seem to mention the output rate. I have no experience with this interfacing autopilots and GPS units in vehicles as fast as RVs are. Is once every two seconds is enough to keep an autopilot from weaving around the chosen course? In smooth air, that shouldn't be an issue, but what about bumpy air? -Scott Suffering imminent wallet failure due to dreams of a RV-7 Lafayette, LA At 02:41 PM 5/2/2003 -0500, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com> > >Rich, > >You bring up a good point. If you buy a SKYMAPIIC for list price, then tack >on the "permanent" antenna, the panel mount, etc.. the price ends up in the >neighborhood of a KMD-150. > >That being said, you can routinely pick up the IIIC's on the internet for >$1500-1800.00 which is SIGNIFICANTLY less than a KMD-150. > >Also, the cost of the antenna is a mute point, because you have to buy it >for the KMD-150 also. The supplied antenna for the IIIC works fine. It's >mounted flat on my glarshield and is only 3/4" tall, 2x2" square and is >conveniently colored black. > >I agree the KMD-150 is a great unit, but there is no reason you can't have a >IIIC completely installed for $1000.00 less than the KMD. Not much money >for those who already have lots of it, but for some of us it buys a radio! >(Or half a Dynon Unit)! > >Cheers, >Stein Bruch >RV6 Minneapolis.


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    Time: 02:58:53 PM PST US
    From: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
    Subject: Alternative to rudder pedals
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com> Chris, There was an RV-6 builder/pilot at Arlington last year who uses a wheelchair. I believe he had suffered his injuries in Vietnam. I remember seeing an article about him in the lasts year or so, probably in Van's Rvator. I'm sure others on the list know him, if his controls and experience would be applicable to your situation. Terry -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris W Subject: RV-List: Alternative to rudder pedals --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net> As I was looking into what it is going to take to get my PPL with my handicap, I read about paraplegics flying using some kind of contraption to work the rudder pedals with their hands. I don't even want to think about the complexity of the use and design of that mechanism with a yoke type control. While I don't need any modification to the standard controls, this got me thinking, and I think I have an idea for a similar adaptation for an RV or most any stick controlled airplane. At or near the top of the stick you could have two handles welded to the stick on both sides. Then you could have it setup so it could twist inside it's mount. Then down at the pivot point you could have some kind of connection to the rudder cables. Then to activate the rudder, you would just use the handles to twist the stick. It would take some work to design the connection to the rudder cables, but rigging it up to twist and welding the handles to the sides of the stick would be pretty easy. I don't know if anyone knows some one that could benefit form some thing like this but I thought I would throw it out there just in case. do not archive Chris W


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    Time: 02:58:59 PM PST US
    From: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Alternative to rudder pedals
    --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net> Kyle Boatright wrote: > Chris, > > This has already been done on an RV. There was an article covering it in > Sport Aviation several (5?) years ago. You might track down that builder > and use his ideas. I hate it when I come up with an idea that someone else already thought of, oh well. -- Chris Woodhouse 3147 SW 127th St. Oklahoma City, OK 73170 405-691-5206 chrisw@programmer.net N35 20.492' W97 34.342' "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania


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    Time: 03:20:37 PM PST US
    From: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
    Subject: Re: RV-6A transporting advise needed
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com> Hello Jesse, the IO-360 180hp is my first choice. Where are you located? I need the times, details and cost on what you have. I'm going to pick up the kit next Thursday. The route is Amarillo, Oklahoma City, Tulsa, St Louis and Chicago. I will stop it you are on my way. Regards, Mike Stephenson Lubbock, TX 806-794-4595 RV-List message posted by: "engines" <engines@a-e-r-o.com> > > I HAVE HELPED HAUL SEVERAL AIRPLANES ON OPEN TRAILERS.TAKE LOTS OF CARPET PADING AND A LARGE ROOL OF PLASTIC WRAP. > I KNOW WHERE THERE IS A COUPLE OF MID TIME ENGINES OR POSSIBLE SET YOU UP WITH A NEW ONE.LET ME KNOW WHAT SPECIFIC ENGINE YOU ARE LOOKING FOR.WE HAVE TWO OF THE 180 HP FRONT FUEL INJECTED AVAILABLE. > > > JESSE ROBINSON > A.E.R.O. AVIATION > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com> > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:36:16 -0500 > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com> > > > > > ><< If everyone posts something it will get back on track.>> > > > >2 days ago I purchased an incomplete RV-6A kit. All the skin work is > >complete, but the tail feathers,wings and cowling are not mounted. The panel > >is complete. Canopy frame on but canopy Plexiglas not on. No engine nor prop > >(I looking to buy) > > > >I need to get it from Wisconsin to West Texas. Should I haul it on the gear > >or off. > > > >My choices are to fly up and rent a one way truck for $ 1,200.00 or go get > >it with flat bed trailer and build crates to protect it from the rain and > >hail. > > > >What has been your experience? > > > >Regards, > >Mike Stephenson > >Lubbock, TX > > > > > >


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    Time: 04:18:24 PM PST US
    From: Michael McGee <jmpcrftr@teleport.com>
    Subject: Re: Alternative to rudder pedals
    --> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee <jmpcrftr@teleport.com> His name is Carl Hey and he lives in the Portland Oregon area. I've ridden in the plane with him and it's a real slick setup. Not the way you describe but with a pair of "control sticks in the middle of his RV-6 (taildragger) just aft of where the throttle quadrant would be. It works great, I got one of my first rides with Carl about 8 years ago. He's a parapalegic from a Bonanza accident so he knew how to fly before he built the plane. He's since toured the country with it and has been a speaker at many events/forums/workshops for the handicapped including Special Olympics. There have been a few RV's modified for folks with one arm (motorcycle throttle), this is the only one I've known with full hand controls. The writeup is in Sport Aviation a few years back, I'll try to look it up tonight. Mike Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, Hillsboro, OR 13B in gestation mode At 17:33 2003-05-02 -0400, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net> > >Chris, > >This has already been done on an RV. There was an article covering it in >Sport Aviation several (5?) years ago. You might track down that builder >and use his ideas. > >KB > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chris W" <chrisw3@cox.net> >To: "RV-list" <rv-list@matronics.com> >Subject: RV-List: Alternative to rudder pedals > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net> > > > > As I was looking into what it is going to take to get my PPL with my > > handicap, I read about paraplegics flying using some kind of contraption > > to work the rudder pedals with their hands. I don't even want to think > > about the complexity of the use and design of that mechanism with a yoke > > type control. While I don't need any modification to the standard > > controls, this got me thinking, and I think I have an idea for a similar > > adaptation for an RV or most any stick controlled airplane. At or near > > the top of the stick you could have two handles welded to the stick on > > both sides. Then you could have it setup so it could twist inside it's > > mount. Then down at the pivot point you could have some kind of > > connection to the rudder cables. Then to activate the rudder, you would > > just use the handles to twist the stick. It would take some work to > > design the connection to the rudder cables, but rigging it up to twist > > and welding the handles to the sides of the stick would be pretty easy. > > I don't know if anyone knows some one that could benefit form some thing > > like this but I thought I would throw it out there just in case. > > > > do not archive > > > > Chris W


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    Time: 06:49:23 PM PST US
    From: Gary Coonan <gcoonan@comcast.net>
    Subject: SL30 & GX60 for Sale
    aeroelectric-list@matronics.com, lancair-list@matronics.com, glasair-list@matronics.com, avionics-list@matronics.com --> RV-List message posted by: Gary Coonan <gcoonan@comcast.net> I had lots of inquires on the UPS SL30 & GX60 I posted for sale, but I accidentally deleted the responses when I was trying to get rid of all the nonsense threads of late. So here it is again. Brand new never mounted or powered. Purchased in Sept 02 and 26 month warranty is transferable (confirmed by UPS) Sell Price Spruce List GPS GX-60 $ 3,550 $ 3,795 $ 5,195 NAV/COM SL-30 $ 2,850 $ 3,125 $ 4,155 Annunciator ACU $ - $ 625 $ 695 $ 6,400 $ 7,545 $ 10,045 w/ GPSS - GPS steering for autopilots I prefer to sell them together, so I will give priority to anyone who wants both. My primary purpose is to sell the GX60, so I will not sell the SL30 before the GX60. Gary M. Coonan . RV-7 Avionics <mailto:gcoonan@comcast.net> gcoonan@comcast.net Do Not Archive


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    Time: 06:56:59 PM PST US
    From: emrath <emrath@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Rudder mounting
    --> RV-List message posted by: emrath <emrath@comcast.net> This is essentially what I did. Thanks Thomas for the input and to all the other reply, most honorable mention is the idea of dropping "PLUMB" lines through the rudder hinge points and maring a line from there to one created by the point of a plumb bob dropped from the trailing edge of the rudder itself. Then by swinging the rudder out to the side marking the angle made on the floor between the original "in-trail" position and the full right or left rudder position. I ended up at 34 degrees, once the rudder stops were drilled. Thanks to everyone who responded. I've been on this list for nearly 6 years and don't recall seeing this before. A sign I'm getting older. Marty in Brentwood RV-6A Time: 09:52:09 PM PST US From: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Rudder mounting --> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net> Sorry to see your email a few days too late, but I haven't check my email in a while. I just did the rudder angle measurement. Normally when I mount the rudder, elevator, or aileron, since I know I'm not mounting it for the last time, I don't use a bolt. I use a tapered pin made from a short piece of 3/16 rod from the hardware store. I wrap a few turns of masking tape around one end it to keep it from sliding all the way thru the mounting hole. To measure the rudder angle, I replaced the pin in the top rudder rod-end bearing with one about 8 inches long, so it stuck up an inch or so above the top of the VS. Then I took a piece of poster board and drew out a straight line that points forward along the long axis of the plane and a few other lines pointing aft at 35, 34, 33, degrees either side of the line. Where the 3 lines intersect, I punched a 3/16 hole. Then I mounted this ontop of the rudder by sliding it down on the elongated 3/16 rod described above. You'll need a step ladder so you can look down on it all from the top. Cut the forward dimension of the poster board so it is 1/4" or so short of the forward tip of the VS. You can now rotate the posterboard so the forward end of the line points precisely to the forward edge of the VS. The portion of the poster board that is aft of the 3/16 rod should be cut to a radius about the 3/16 rod that is just long enough to almost cover up the aft tip of the rudder. The aft tip of the rudder should be sticking out a 1/4" or so beyond the cardboard. So, you now have a protractor mounted to the VS and can swing the rudder side to side to see if it swings far enough and where to position the stops. emrath wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: emrath <emrath@comcast.net> > >Can someone tell me how to measure this movement? It >seems a template cut to fit the side of the VS and Rudder modified to make a >35 degree swing out is in order. However, the swing point is either the >center line of the VS and so the fuselage, or it is the forward side edge of >the rudder. Can anyone (and everyone) explain how they did this? > >Marty in Brentwood TN, Having fun putting the big pieces together. > > > > -- Tom Sargent RV-6A


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    Time: 07:06:05 PM PST US
    From: Gary Coonan <gcoonan@comcast.net>
    Subject: GX60 & SL30 for sale
    --> RV-List message posted by: Gary Coonan <gcoonan@comcast.net> I had lots of inquires on the UPS SL30 & GX60 I posted for sale, but I accidentally deleted the responses when I was trying to get rid of all the nonsense threads of late. So here it is again. Brand new never mounted or powered. Purchased in Sept 02 and 26 month warranty is transferable (confirmed by UPS) Sell GPS GX60 w/GPSS $3,550 $3,795 $ 5,195 NAV/COM SL30 $2,850 $3,125 $ 4,155 Annunciator ACU $ 0 $ 625 $ 695 $6,400 $7,545 $10,045 I prefer to sell them together, so I will give priority to anyone who wants both. My primary purpose is to sell the GX60, so I will not sell the SL30 before the GX60. Gary M. Coonan . RV-7 Avionics gcoonan@comcast.net Do Not Archive


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    Time: 07:15:48 PM PST US
    From: WPAerial@aol.com
    Subject: radio tran prob
    --> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com My I com 200 checks out okay. Worked on the way to sun n fun but on way home it would receive okay but push the ppt and the amp meter pegs all the way over negative. both ppt do this. any ideas where to start trouble shooting? Jerry Wilken Albany Oregon N699WP


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    Time: 08:08:37 PM PST US
    From: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
    Subject: MakingAnAlternatorPulley
    --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com> Dave (and others), This may not be of great concern to you now but please consider what the amperage output of the alternator will be and the lower RPMs. Personally, I think it is too low as it is already. Unless the engine is up around 2500 RPM (I think) you ***MIGHT** be disappointed if you are expecting 30-35 amps. James > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DAVID REEL > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 12:17 PM > To: rvlist > Subject: RV-List: MakingAnAlternatorPulley > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net> > > To improve the reliability of Vans 35amp alternator, which I > calculate will turn 10,500rpm at full throttle with the standard > pulley, I'm thinking of machining one myself on a lathe. Our EAA > chapter has a lathe but most of my experience, aside from one > shop class long ago, has been on a wood lathe. Once I get the > cowling positioned & make a foot to prevent it from rising, I'll > fill the rest of the space with the biggest pulley that will fit. > I'm not worried about the alternator turning too slow as other > posts have convinced me it'll be turning faster than it did in > it's automotive application with any reasonable size that will fit. > > Could those of you with machining experience suggest the type and > source of steel billet material suitable for a pulley of say 4" > in diameter or less? Would aluminum be good? The existing > pulley weighs 11oz. Is there a book that would familiarize me > with the correct proceedures/problems? A local chapter member > can show me how to use the lathe, but I don't know what to aim for. > > Dave Reel - RV8A > >


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    Time: 08:37:25 PM PST US
    From: Robert Blum <bob@theblums.net>
    Subject: Lightspeed Electronic Ignition O-320-H2AD, mounting bracket
    plans --> RV-List message posted by: Robert Blum <bob@theblums.net> Does anyone have any plans or drawings for mounting brackets to mount the crank sensor for a Lightspeed electronic ignition on the engine immediately behind the flywheel on an H2AD? Thanks Bob Blum


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    Time: 08:48:30 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: MakingAnAlternatorPulley
    From: Denis Walsh <denis.walsh@attbi.com>
    --> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh <denis.walsh@attbi.com> > --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com> > > Dave (and others), > > This may not be of great concern to you now but please consider what the > amperage output of the alternator will be and the lower RPMs. > > Personally, I think it is too low as it is already. Unless the engine is up > around 2500 RPM (I think) you ***MIGHT** be disappointed if you are > expecting 30-35 amps. > > James > > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >> > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DAVID REEL >> > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 12:17 PM >> > To: rvlist >> > Subject: RV-List: MakingAnAlternatorPulley >> > >> > >> > --> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net> >> > >> > To improve the reliability of Vans 35amp alternator, which I >> > calculate will turn 10,500rpm at full throttle with the standard >> > pulley, I'm thinking of machining one myself on a lathe. Our EAA >> > chapter has a lathe but most of my experience, aside from one >> > shop class long ago, has been on a wood lathe. Once I get the >> > cowling positioned & make a foot to prevent it from rising, I'll >> > fill the rest of the space with the biggest pulley that will fit. >> > I'm not worried about the alternator turning too slow as other >> > posts have convinced me it'll be turning faster than it did in >> > it's automotive application with any reasonable size that will fit. >> > >> > Could those of you with machining experience suggest the type and >> > source of steel billet material suitable for a pulley of say 4" >> > in diameter or less? Would aluminum be good? The existing >> > pulley weighs 11oz. Is there a book that would familiarize me >> > with the correct proceedures/problems? A local chapter member >> > can show me how to use the lathe, but I don't know what to aim for. >> > >> > Dave Reel - RV8A >> > >> > > > Mark Landoll sells such a pulley at a reasonable price. I have one and it is beautiful, turned out of aluminum and with lightening holes. . I have not used it as I decided the =B3stock=B2 auto pulleys seem about right, for the modern alternators. Denis Walsh


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    Time: 09:05:46 PM PST US
    From: BBreckenridge@att.net
    Subject: Langley BC Fly-In June 7th
    --> RV-List message posted by: BBreckenridge@att.net I blew it. After planning to go (by car) to the RV fly-in in Langley, BC (http:// www.vansairforce.org/CYNJ/), my student pilot wife is unable to get away. I live in Clackamas, OR, about 20 minutes north of Van's in Aurora. IF there is anyone local who'd like a non-pilot passenger in his RV and would like to attend, I'll cover the room cost (2 double beds, already booked) for Friday and Saturday night and split the AvGas! Please contact me off list and we'll see if it'll work out. I know, this appears to be nothing but a cheesy way to get a ride in an RV - I already got my ONE ride at Van's...! Bruce Breckenridge Got the pneumatic squeezer and paint gun, no rivets, no paint... Do Not Archive


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    Time: 09:21:15 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
    Subject: Re: MakingAnAlternatorPulley
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net> As I understand it: Alternators can run easily at 16,000 RPM and in fact they will operate quite effectively at RPMs that go much higher than that. At 'very high' RPMs that are closer to and into the 20,000 RPM range the belt flexing can cause heat to build up that could or will contribute to early in service failure. The more modern thinner glass fiber multi-groove belts can stand the higher RPMs and or the smaller diameter alternator pulleys that are found in the more recent auto production years. The need for higher alternator RPM at the lower engine RPMs has become increasingly important with the advent ever more complex and higher running loads of modern vehicles. The alternators in these new vehicles are very unlikely to ever reach high RPMs that could cause damage from over speed conditions. Consider the engine RPM that some of the exotic sport vehicles reach and estimate the alternator speeds that can be created with potential sustained engine speeds that would kill our average driveway hog's engines. If anyone can add to, update or otherwise correct any misinformation that they find here please do so. Do not archive Jim in Kelowna ... just yet :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com> Subject: RE: RV-List: MakingAnAlternatorPulley > --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com> > > Dave (and others), > > This may not be of great concern to you now but please consider what the > amperage output of the alternator will be and the lower RPMs. > > Personally, I think it is too low as it is already. Unless the engine is up > around 2500 RPM (I think) you ***MIGHT** be disappointed if you are > expecting 30-35 amps. > > James > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DAVID REEL > > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 12:17 PM > > To: rvlist > > Subject: RV-List: MakingAnAlternatorPulley > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net> > > > > To improve the reliability of Vans 35amp alternator, which I > > calculate will turn 10,500rpm at full throttle with the standard > > pulley, I'm thinking of machining one myself on a lathe. Our EAA > > chapter has a lathe but most of my experience, aside from one > > shop class long ago, has been on a wood lathe. Once I get the > > cowling positioned & make a foot to prevent it from rising, I'll > > fill the rest of the space with the biggest pulley that will fit. > > I'm not worried about the alternator turning too slow as other > > posts have convinced me it'll be turning faster than it did in > > it's automotive application with any reasonable size that will fit. > > > > Could those of you with machining experience suggest the type and > > source of steel billet material suitable for a pulley of say 4" > > in diameter or less? Would aluminum be good? The existing > > pulley weighs 11oz. Is there a book that would familiarize me > > with the correct proceedures/problems? A local chapter member > > can show me how to use the lathe, but I don't know what to aim for. > > > > Dave Reel - RV8A > > > > > >


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    Time: 09:21:19 PM PST US
    From: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: radio tran prob
    --> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net> At 10:15 PM 5/2/2003 -0400, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com > >My I com 200 checks out okay. Worked on the way to sun n fun but on way home >it would receive okay but push the ppt and the amp meter pegs all the way >over negative. both ppt do this. any ideas where to start trouble shooting? PPT? You mean PTT push to talk switch I bet. Can you find someone with same radio to substitute? This of course, is the real easy way. Otherwise, check connection from radio connecting pin to ground by removing radio and probing it with a test bulb connected to B+. Lite should lite when PTT switch is pushed and not otherwise. K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne RV6-a N7HK flying! PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)


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    Time: 09:33:25 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
    Subject: Re: Langley BC Fly-In June 7th
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net> Bruce, Cheesy!? not at all! I kind of thought your offer showed a noticeable touch of class. I'm sorry to say I don't live down your way and that my RV is not flyable (not finished yet). If I was in your vicinity I would be glad to go out of my way to provide the kind of transport you seek. I expect you will have a number of calls and good offers. Jim in Kelowna Do not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: <BBreckenridge@att.net> Subject: RV-List: Langley BC Fly-In June 7th > --> RV-List message posted by: BBreckenridge@att.net > > I blew it. After planning to go (by car) to the RV fly-in in Langley, BC (http:// > www.vansairforce.org/CYNJ/), my student pilot wife is unable to get away. I live in > Clackamas, OR, about 20 minutes north of Van's in Aurora. IF there is anyone local > who'd like a non-pilot passenger in his RV and would like to attend, I'll cover the room > cost (2 double beds, already booked) for Friday and Saturday night and split the AvGas! > Please contact me off list and we'll see if it'll work out. I know, this appears to be nothing > but a cheesy way to get a ride in an RV - I already got my ONE ride at Van's...! > > Bruce Breckenridge > Got the pneumatic squeezer and paint gun, no rivets, no paint... > > Do Not Archive > >


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    Time: 09:37:34 PM PST US
    From: Vanremog@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Alternative to rudder pedals
    --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com In a message dated 5/2/2003 2:59:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, terry@tcwatson.com writes: > There was an RV-6 builder/pilot at Arlington last year who uses a > wheelchair. I believe he had suffered his injuries in Vietnam. I remember > seeing an article about him in the lasts year or so, probably in Van's > Rvator. I'm sure others on the list know him, if his controls and > experience would be applicable to your situation. > The gentleman's name is Bruce Cruikshank. He flies an RV-4 that he built and engineered for sans legs. He is a great guy, is building an RV-9A currently and can be reached thru the <A HREF="www.ksavionics.com">www.ksavionics.com website. -GV (RV-6A N1GV 600hrs) "The church says the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the church." -Ferdinand Magellan


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    Time: 09:46:35 PM PST US
    From: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Alternative to rudder pedals
    --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net> Actually the RV-6 builder/pilot is Carl Hay he belongs to our EAA chapter. He is at Arlington every year. Jerry do not archive Vanremog@aol.com wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com > > In a message dated 5/2/2003 2:59:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > terry@tcwatson.com writes: > > >>There was an RV-6 builder/pilot at Arlington last year who uses a >>wheelchair. I believe he had suffered his injuries in Vietnam. I remember >>seeing an article about him in the lasts year or so, probably in Van's >>Rvator. I'm sure others on the list know him, if his controls and >>experience would be applicable to your situation. >> > > > The gentleman's name is Bruce Cruikshank. He flies an RV-4 that he built and > engineered for sans legs. He is a great guy, is building an RV-9A currently > and can be reached thru the <A HREF="www.ksavionics.com">www.ksavionics.com website. > > -GV (RV-6A N1GV 600hrs) > > "The church says the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have > seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the > church." > -Ferdinand Magellan > > > > > > >


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    Time: 10:01:37 PM PST US
    From: Doug Shenk <dshenk3@attbi.com>
    Subject: Re: Alternative to rudder pedals
    --> RV-List message posted by: Doug Shenk <dshenk3@attbi.com> Chris, Carl's setup is very functional and he would be a good source of info. He took me my first ride in his RV-6 a few years ago and the rest, as they say, is history. If you don't find him, let me know off list and I will see if I can find his number. Doug Shenk, using the "slow-build" technique on a RV-6A quickbuild kit. Michael McGee wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee <jmpcrftr@teleport.com> > >His name is Carl Hey and he lives in the Portland Oregon area. I've ridden >in the plane with him and it's a real slick setup. Not the way you >describe but with a pair of "control sticks in the middle of his RV-6 >(taildragger) just aft of where the throttle quadrant would be. It works >great, I got one of my first rides with Carl about 8 years ago. > >He's a parapalegic from a Bonanza accident so he knew how to fly before he >built the plane. He's since toured the country with it and has been a >speaker at many events/forums/workshops for the handicapped including >Special Olympics. > >There have been a few RV's modified for folks with one arm (motorcycle >throttle), this is the only one I've known with full hand controls. The >writeup is in Sport Aviation a few years back, I'll try to look it up tonight. > >Mike >Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, Hillsboro, OR >13B in gestation mode > > >At 17:33 2003-05-02 -0400, you wrote: > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net> >> >>Chris, >> >>This has already been done on an RV. There was an article covering it in >>Sport Aviation several (5?) years ago. You might track down that builder >>and use his ideas. >> >>KB >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Chris W" <chrisw3@cox.net> >>To: "RV-list" <rv-list@matronics.com> >>Subject: RV-List: Alternative to rudder pedals >> >> >> >> >>>--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net> >>> >>>As I was looking into what it is going to take to get my PPL with my >>>handicap, I read about paraplegics flying using some kind of contraption >>>to work the rudder pedals with their hands. I don't even want to think >>>about the complexity of the use and design of that mechanism with a yoke >>>type control. While I don't need any modification to the standard >>>controls, this got me thinking, and I think I have an idea for a similar >>>adaptation for an RV or most any stick controlled airplane. At or near >>>the top of the stick you could have two handles welded to the stick on >>>both sides. Then you could have it setup so it could twist inside it's >>>mount. Then down at the pivot point you could have some kind of >>>connection to the rudder cables. Then to activate the rudder, you would >>>just use the handles to twist the stick. It would take some work to >>>design the connection to the rudder cables, but rigging it up to twist >>>and welding the handles to the sides of the stick would be pretty easy. >>>I don't know if anyone knows some one that could benefit form some thing >>>like this but I thought I would throw it out there just in case. >>> >>>do not archive >>> >>>Chris W >>> >>> > > > >


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    Time: 11:42:06 PM PST US
    From: "Gordon Robertson" <res0rlvx@verizon.net>
    Subject: Rebuilding engines
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon Robertson" <res0rlvx@verizon.net> It is great to get some real RV information coming in again. Thanks guys! A few days ago, a thread appeared on rebuilding a 320 engine. I asked whether that impacted the insurability of the aircraft, but nobody had any answer. John Helms, are you still here? Has anybody who built up his own engine had any problems with insuring it (assuming they told the insurance company, of course)? It also applies to the XP360 kit engine. I am sure a lot of us would love to save the $$ and enjoy the building if we could be sure that the insurance companies would accept it. Gordon Robertson RV-8




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