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1. 04:43 AM - Re: Recommended RV camping gear? (Dana Overall)
2. 05:19 AM - Re: CD player..Kinda RV related (Bob Japundza)
3. 06:04 AM - Re: Re: CD player..Kinda RV related (Jim Norman)
4. 06:17 AM - Re: EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty Hawk (glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com)
5. 06:44 AM - Re: EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty Hawk (lm4@juno.com)
6. 07:36 AM - rudder cables in cockpit (Frazier, Vincent A)
7. 07:36 AM - Recall: RV-List Digest: 50 Msgs - 06/09/03 (Frazier, Vincent A)
8. 07:36 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 50 Msgs - 06/09/03 (Frazier, Vincent A)
9. 07:48 AM - Re: AFP Boost Pump and Fuel Lines in RV-6 (Mike Robertson)
10. 07:57 AM - Re: This cracks me up! (Andy Karmy)
11. 07:58 AM - Re: CHT & EGT guages. (Brad Benson)
12. 08:01 AM - Re: Re: charging problem (Mike Robertson)
13. 08:03 AM - Re: This cracks me up! (Andy Karmy)
14. 08:06 AM - Re: EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty Hawk (Konrad Werner)
15. 08:11 AM - Re:Oil Pressure measurement (Richard Dudley)
16. 08:15 AM - Re: Re: CD player..Kinda RV related (Doug Rozendaal)
17. 08:31 AM - Re: EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty Hawk (glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com)
18. 08:55 AM - Re: Re: CD player..Kinda RV related (Garry LeGare)
19. 09:08 AM - Re: Re: charging problem (Dave Bristol)
20. 09:24 AM - Re: EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty Hawk (Brad Benson)
21. 09:44 AM - Dynon (Wheeler North)
22. 09:51 AM - Re: EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty Hawk (Glenn Brasch)
23. 10:02 AM - Re: Re: charging problem (Elsa & Henry)
24. 10:03 AM - RV camping (Wheeler North)
25. 10:03 AM - Re: NEW jABIRU 8 CYL ENGINE FLOWN IN rv6 (Wayne R. Couture)
26. 10:10 AM - Re: CHT & EGT guages. (Wayne R. Couture)
27. 10:35 AM - Re: rudder cables in cockpit (SportAV8R@aol.com)
28. 10:46 AM - Re: AFP Boost Pump and Fuel Lines in RV-6 (Jeff Dowling)
29. 10:51 AM - Re: Re: charging problem (Sam Buchanan)
30. 10:51 AM - Re: EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty Hawk (glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com)
31. 10:53 AM - Re: CD player..Kinda RV related (Jeff Dowling)
32. 11:17 AM - Re: Re: charging problem (James E. Clark)
33. 11:39 AM - EAA/SAA ... another view >>Re: EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty Hawk (James E. Clark)
34. 12:30 PM - Re: Re: CD player..Kinda RV related (Laird Owens)
35. 12:30 PM - Home wing flyin (Ross Schlotthauer)
36. 12:35 PM - Control Vision Anywhere Map - Weather (Frank Eldridge)
37. 01:39 PM - Re: So, Mike Stewart, How did you do? (mstewart@qa.butler.com)
38. 03:04 PM - Re: AFP Boost Pump and Fuel Lines in RV-6 (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
39. 03:37 PM - Re: Canadian Consumer Satisfaction? (Jim Jewell)
40. 04:25 PM - Re: Home wing flyin (RV6 Flyer)
41. 04:33 PM - Re: EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty Hawk (Gert)
42. 05:15 PM - Re: Recommended RV camping gear? (Charles Rowbotham)
43. 05:50 PM - Thoughts on Glenn Williams ideas of a new organization (Tom Gummo)
44. 06:02 PM - Composite work. (Dana Overall)
45. 06:13 PM - Re: Home wing flyin (Ross Schlotthauer)
46. 07:28 PM - Re: EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty Hawk (James Connell)
47. 08:01 PM - West Texas 99's (Larry Pardue)
48. 08:45 PM - Camping at OSH (KostaLewis)
49. 08:51 PM - Re: Thoughts on Glenn Williams ideas of a new organization (RV6 Flyer)
50. 09:47 PM - Home Wing RV Fly-In (Randall Henderson)
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| Subject: | Re: Recommended RV camping gear? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
If I may throw out some things I carry. Coleman now makes a real nice
single mantle propane lantern. I used it for the first time at SNF and it
puts out plenty of light outside. I'd go Kyle's route and recommend a
battery light for inside the tent though. To add to propane usage, I now
carry a single burner Coleman to fire up a little pot of water in the
mornings for a couple cups of coffee next to the airplane. Get some coffee
singles and powder creamer, if you so choose, and you are off and running.
I go by a good sporting goods store that carries dried soups for mountain
climbing and pick up a couple. They make some very, very good ones for when
you land later on in the evening and the FBO is closed. I find it is very
easy to find a outside water faucet on the outside of closed FBOs. I'll
second Kyle's remarks again in that I don't carry a sleeping bag. Just a
couple sheets and one blanket. If you do get cold, throw some of your
cloths on top of the blanket. As for a pillow, I use a camp pillow that
rolls up into it's own bag smaller than a loaf of bread but very acceptable.
For added protection from the weather I carry a couple plastic drop cloths
of the 9' X 12' .4 mil net weith 3.31 oz, to be specfic. If rain does come
your way, lay one of these over top of your tent and you are good to go. If
you are going to be spending any time at all, I'm 47 also and don't rough it
quite like I used to, I'd recommend you buy an inflatable matress. Get on
that is plastic on the bottom. This allows you keep all your "stuff", and
you, dry and off the bottom of the tent in case of rain. Buy an inflater
that will go in cig. lighter of your airplane. Most of the inflaters now
have a reverse on them so that when it is time to go, suck all the air out
of the mattress and it does get quite flat. If I am not going to be camping
over 2-3 days I use a self inflating roll out camp pad. Not as comfortable
as the mattress, but again acceptable.
Ol' Huck........I like that comparison!!
BTW, Kyle............you sure can get a lot in your RV after spending some
time at your campsite at SNF. You camping at Oshkosh. Email me off the
list if you are.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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| Subject: | Re: CD player..Kinda RV related |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob Japundza <bjapundza@yahoo.com>
I have a Sony car cd player in mounted in the panel of my RV-6, and wouldn't recommend
going that route. It skips when you put any g-load on the airplane.
Recently I bought a 15gb Apple iPod and I think it is the best thing since sliced
bread. I've gotten very attached to it. I have about 60 cd's loaded on it
right now and am barely using over 3 gb out of the 15 available at 192kbs vbr
encoding rate which is very close to cd quality (my ears can't tell the difference,
but at 128kbs I can). It doesn't skip even when you shake it (it has a
tiny hard drive inside) and I wired up a jack in the panel to plug it in. At
first my wife told me I was crazy for buying what amounted to a $400 walkman
and I had a case of sticker shock initially but that quickly wore off. They are
worth the $$ if you like your music. The software that comes with the iPod
(for windows) is not very good, I use some shareware software to sync the iPod
with my pc, and no commercially-available mp3 encoder can touch eac/lame which
is a combination of freeware mp3 encoding programs.
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying 450hrs, F1 under const.
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| Subject: | Re: CD player..Kinda RV related |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Norman" <jgnorman@tampabay.rr.com>
I have an auto-style Sony AM/FM CD player in my panel. It is one of the best
things I ever did. It works perfectly, never skips (I have even done a few
rolls with it playing and it has not skipped). Just because others say their
CD player skips does not mean that they all do. Mine never has... buy a
better unit???.
I just put a new stereo in my car, however... and THIS is what you should
do: Put one of the car-type in-dash types in, but buy the kind that
supports MP3... so, you have the best of both worlds. Down side: Takes up
panel space that you may need.
My stereo is wired into the stereo intercom, and it is absoultely the
greatest thing. Combined with ANR headphones, it cannot be beat.
jim
tampa
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| Subject: | Re: EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty Hawk |
06/10/2003 07:45:00 AM
--> RV-List message posted by: glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com
I have been doing some serious thinking about establishing another type of
Homebuilt club and one that is dedicated to all builders of any type of
homebuilt and rotor craft to include ultra lites, if the interest is there.
If you have noticed the EAA has determined that the ultra lite and rotor
craft guys are the proverbial red headed step children. This became very
evident to me last year while having a beverage at the red barn, in
Oshkosh. I fully understand that a EAA or AOPA has to make money to stay
around and I am glad they do. However I believe the money has corrupted a
few of the "old timers" and they have gotton away from the foundation and
forgotten their roots. I mean who says that there only has to be the x
number of organizations? Well let me know your thoughts.
Regards
Glenn Williams
A&P
Fort Worth, Tx.
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| Subject: | Re: EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty Hawk |
--> RV-List message posted by: lm4@juno.com
Glen,
A lot of people have noticed that. On the list and
in my Chapter. It now costs a small fortune, on the grounds,
to feed a family at Osh. People on the list have lamented
the damage to thier planes and blame it on EAA for allowing
non-airplane type people on the flight line. And the fact that
EAA has contrived about every way imaginable to ask us for
more money for an ever growing number of programs; some
of which has little or nothing to do with building Airplanes.
recently began coming to life ? Apparantly the founder has
had the name"Sport Aviation Association" on the books as a
legal non-profit for some time but only recently chose to
give it life. It, the SAA, has had a gathering at a field at
Urbaba Ohio in 01. I don't know if there is another scheduled
for this year. You can probably find out by going to thier
website at hhtp://www.sportaviation.org
The thing that gets my attention about it is that the founder's
name is Paul Poberezny. HTH.
Larry Mac Donald
Rochester N.Y.
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On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:31:25 -0500 06/09/2003 02:51:44 PM
glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com writes:
> --> RV-List message posted by:
> glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com
>
>
> I have been noticing for the past several years that the EAA has
> gotton big
> into sponsorship programs for themselves and are starting to be so
> big that
> they are forgetting about the "homebuilders" If you go to Oshkosh
> look at
> all the pepsi and john deere ads.
>
> Just my thoughts
>
> Glenn Williams
> do not archive
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| Subject: | rudder cables in cockpit |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
SNIP What ideas have some of the rest of you used to cover the section of rudder
cable
that runs beside the seats? Is there a good way to hide it behind a panel so
that it will stay out of the way of passenger seat belts etc? Seems like it's
a bit too far away from the wall to simply put a flat interior panel over it.
SNIP
A practical solution to the exposed rudder cables in the cockpit is to sleeve them
with a section of polyethylene tubing before installing. My rudder cables
run in tubing from front to back. The cable cannot rub on anything and the tubing
keeps you from wearing a groove in the snap bushings.
It's easiest to install the tubing over the cable before the ends are swaged on.
However, it is possible to pull the swaged end through the poly tubing by threading
a strong string through the tube, tie to the cable, heat the tubing in
boiling water, then pull the cable through. Of course, you have to start with
a larger tubing size than you can use if you put the tubing on before the cable
ends are installed.
You'll like having the tubing around the cables. You don't hear that "sawing"
noise that exposed cables make and you can stick charts and other items behind
the cable without fear of tangling anything up.
Vince
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| Subject: | Recall: RV-List Digest: 50 Msgs - 06/09/03 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
Frazier, Vincent A would like to recall the message, "RV-List Digest: 50 Msgs -
06/09/03".
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| Subject: | RE: RV-List Digest: 50 Msgs - 06/09/03 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
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Subject: RV-List Digest: 50 Msgs - 06/09/03
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Today's Message Index:
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1. 02:40 AM - Re: Atitude Indicator Interference? ()
2. 04:54 AM - Van's Tachometer (Parker43rp@aol.com)
3. 06:20 AM - Re: Dynon D-10 (lucky macy)
4. 07:10 AM - Re: Van's Tachometer (Scott Brumbelow)
5. 07:15 AM - Re: Dynon D-10 (DJB6A@cs.com)
6. 07:17 AM - Re: Vans Oil Pressure Gauge (Scott Brumbelow)
7. 07:32 AM - Dynon D-10 IFR Advice (Brad Benson)
8. 07:54 AM - Re: Dynon D-10 (James E. Clark)
9. 08:54 AM - CD player..Kinda RV related (Louis Willig)
10. 09:06 AM - Re: Re: Rocket-List: passenger (John Starn)
11. 09:37 AM - Re: CD player..Kinda RV related (Robert Miller)
12. 09:43 AM - Re: Dynon D-10 (lucky macy)
13. 09:43 AM - Re: CD player..Kinda RV related (Jeff Dowling)
14. 09:53 AM - Re: CD player..Kinda RV related (Chris W)
15. 09:55 AM - Recommended RV camping gear? (SportAV8R@aol.com)
16. 09:57 AM - Re: Dynon D-10 IFR Advice (Jeff Point)
17. 10:08 AM - Re: Dynon D-10 IFR Advice (Dan Checkoway)
18. 10:15 AM - Re: CD player..Kinda RV related (Rob Prior)
19. 10:24 AM - Re: Recommended RV camping gear? (Kyle Boatright)
20. 10:30 AM - Re: Dynon D-10 (Jim Jewell)
21. 10:42 AM - This cracks me up! (Andy Karmy)
22. 10:48 AM - Interior Cable protection? (Andy Karmy)
23. 11:05 AM - Re: Interior Cable protection? (Jim Jewell)
24. 11:21 AM - Re: Recommended RV camping gear? (John Starn)
25. 12:27 PM - Re: This cracks me up! (David Carter)
26. 01:25 PM - Re: EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty Hawk (glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com)
27. 01:59 PM - Re: Interior Cable protection? (chris m)
28. 02:06 PM - Re: This cracks me up! (George McNutt)
29. 02:15 PM - Re: CD player..Kinda RV related (Paul Besing)
30. 02:40 PM - Re: Interior Cable protection? (Jeff Point)
31. 02:42 PM - Wing tip mods (Mike Stephenson)
32. 03:25 PM - Why didn't you build a plastic airplane (Ernest Kells)
33. 03:50 PM - Re: This cracks me up! (Kyle Boatright)
34. 04:24 PM - AFP Boost Pump and Fuel Lines in RV-6 (Jordan Grant)
35. 04:30 PM - Re: Interior Cable protection? (Mike Stephenson)
36. 04:38 PM - Re: This cracks me up! (Mike Stephenson)
37. 04:45 PM - CHT & EGT guages. (Dana Overall)
38. 04:57 PM - Re: Wing tip mods (John Starn)
39. 05:03 PM - Re: CD player..Kinda RV related (Larry Bowen)
40. 05:10 PM - Re: AFP Boost Pump and Fuel Lines in RV-6 (Dan Checkoway)
41. 05:16 PM - Re: This cracks me up! (Alex Peterson)
42. 06:50 PM - Re: CD player..Kinda RV related (Paul Besing)
43. 07:29 PM - Re: This cracks me up! (Tom Lutgring)
44. 07:39 PM - Re: Recommended RV camping gear? (SportAV8R@aol.com)
45. 08:25 PM - Transition training - Northern NY? (Steve J Hurlbut)
46. 08:37 PM - Re: charging problem (Larygagnon@aol.com)
47. 08:38 PM - Re: EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty Hawk (kempthornes)
48. 08:39 PM - Re: NEW jABIRU 8 CYL ENGINE FLOWN IN rv6 (kempthornes)
49. 08:43 PM - Re: AFP Boost Pump and Fuel Lines in RV-6 (Gil Alexander)
50. 09:33 PM - Re: Interior Cable protection? (Don Diehl)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 02:40:13 AM PST US
From: <315@cox.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Atitude Indicator Interference?
--> RV-List message posted by: <315@cox.net>
Thanks to all who responded to my query on how to modify teh instrument
panel rib on my RV6A slider. Most everyone did the mod during construction
but I think I can accomplish something similar even though mine is already
flying.
Thanks again,
Ned
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kenneth Beene" <kbeene@citilink.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Atitude Indicator Interference?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Kenneth Beene" <kbeene@citilink.com>
>
> >
> > I bought an RV6A that has a non standard instrument layout.
> > All the standard 6 are there just not in the normal
> > configuration. I was looking at remounting them in the
> > Standard config when I found that there is a longitudinal rib
> > on the back of the panel that prevents mounting the AI in the
> > top center hole. Anyone know how to work around this rib or
> > modify it?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ned
> >
> Ned,
> I don't know if you have a tip up or slider. The slider has a rib that
> will be in the way of the AI. It can be modified to make room but this
> would be difficult on a finished slider if the panel is riveted in
> place. I cut out much of the rib and used an 1/8 inch doubler to
> stiffen the remaining part. You can see the modified rib at
> http://www.mninter.net/~kbeene/building_finishing.html
>
> The instrument layout is shown at
> http://www.mninter.net/~kbeene/
>
> Good luck,
> Ken
>
>
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 04:54:10 AM PST US
From: Parker43rp@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: Van's Tachometer
--> RV-List message posted by: Parker43rp@aol.com
Listers: Thanks for the many replies to my inquiry on the mounting of Van's
tachometer. I mounted the tach generator with its 12in. cable on the firewall
using an angle bracket to match the natural angle of the generator at that
position on the firewall. I fastened the generator through a hole in the
bracket and held it in place with a thinned-down 5/8-18 nut.
Ray
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 06:20:12 AM PST US
From: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon D-10
--> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
Hi Jim,
Did you evaluate it against the IK-2000?
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>From: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon D-10
>Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:28:48 -0700
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
>
>Hi Paul,
>
>It is still $1995.00 USD for the foreseeable future. Worth every penny,
>get
>it with the on board back up battery $129.00 unless you have already got,
>or
>plan on a backup battery scheme incorporated into your system.
>With the internal battery you can turn it on as you pull it out of it's
>box.
>No biggy aside from having a hassle free getting familiar session right up
>front.
>
>Check out their site at Http://www.dynonavionics.com
>
>Jim in Kelowna
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon D-10
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
> >
> > What is the price?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeff Point" <jpoint@mindspring.com>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon D-10
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
> > >
> > > FWIW, Gillian told me that they have no plans to increase the price
> > > anytime soon, even for those who are not "locked in."
> > >
> > > Jeff Point
> > >
> > > Larry Bowen wrote:
> > >
> > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
> > > >
> > > >Yeah, I was on that list too. Not sure it makes a difference or not.
> > > >Maybe it was to protect against a price increase that never happed
> > > >(yet).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 07:10:38 AM PST US
From: Scott Brumbelow <csbrumbelow@fedex.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's Tachometer
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Brumbelow <csbrumbelow@fedex.com>
I had the same questions, and asked Vans about them. Per their instructions, I
did as George recommended to you. Vans suggested simply zip-tying the unit
(which I could do with the oil pressure line right there, but the bracket per
George's suggestion may be a better solution. The risk I see in zip tying is
that once the aircraft is flying, the vibration MAY allow the generator to
rotate around toward the firewall, and then eventually vibrate against it.
For what it's worth...
Scott in MEM
RV-8A baffles to go...
George McNutt wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "George McNutt" <gmcnutt@intergate.ca>
>
> ---
> Has anyone installed Van's tach with the 12in. extension cable? I have
> found that in the installation on my RV-8A, the cable with the tach
> generator
> attached is at least 4in. longer than the distance from the back of the
> engine to the firewall. A straight installation would put it 4in. into the
> front
> baggage compartment. Installation of the generator on the firewall would
> seem to
> require nearly a 90 degree bend in the cable, which in my opinion would
> probably cause premature cable failure. I am considering having the cable
> shortened at an auto shop that repairs speedometers.
>
> Hi Ray
>
> Agreed, poor setup and it will probably shorten life of inner cable. I did
> mount the generator on a bracker about an inch forward of firewall and with
> a 90 degree bend in cable. Kept the bend as gentle as possible over full
> length of cable. No problems so far in 150 hrs.
>
> George McNutt
> Langley B.C.
> 6A - 150 hrs
>
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 07:15:06 AM PST US
From: DJB6A@cs.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon D-10
--> RV-List message posted by: DJB6A@cs.com
Received my unit last week. They had said initially early April, when I
emailed them to confirm they said end of May. Seems like they are getting caught
up
on orders. The remote magnetometer is still to be shipped. If you are
concerned email them, they are very responsive.
I am glad I waited, it is a great piece of equipment.
Dave Burnham
6A Wiring/ Panel
Lincolnshire, IL
________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Time: 07:17:58 AM PST US
From: Scott Brumbelow <csbrumbelow@fedex.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Vans Oil Pressure Gauge
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Brumbelow <csbrumbelow@fedex.com>
Check yours specifically, but I have the same set up and mine is solidly grounded.
Scott in MEM
Neil Henderson wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Neil Henderson" <neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
>
> My sender is mounted on the Van's Transducer Manifold. This is Anodized Alloy.
Not conducive to a good electrical connection. Possible problem?
>
> Neil Henderson RV9-A ( Firewall Foward ) Aylesbury UK
>
________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
Time: 07:32:57 AM PST US
From: "Brad Benson" <brad@cds-inc.com>
Subject: RV-List: Dynon D-10 IFR Advice
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brad Benson" <brad@cds-inc.com>
Hey All,
I'm just getting started on my instrument panel and am planning on putting in a
Dynon D-10. Since I am planning to be able to fly IFR I am thinking I will
use the D-10 to replace only the gyro compass and the attitude indicator, leaving
the rest of the six pack in place (altimeter, turn & bank, ASI, and VSI).
My question for the group is this: Does that seem reasonable? If the D-10 itself
fails, I still have the T&B to fly on (and I do practice partial panel !
:-). If the electrical system fails, the built-in battery backup of the D-10
will keep it going. My feeling is that it is at least as reliable as the suction
instruments (and associated systems) it is replacing.
Does that make sense?
Thanks!
Brad "Sharpie" Benson
RV6AQB underway...
"Please buy my software, it's funding my RV6A project!" - http://www.notamd.com
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
Time: 07:54:59 AM PST US
From: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Dynon D-10
--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
I am not Jim but I will give a short response here ...
The IK-2000 is focussed *primarily* on supplying "engine information"
(temps, rpm etc/)whereas
the D-10 is focussed *primarily* on "flight information" (attitude,
altitude, airspeed, heading).
One could easily have both as they primarily serve *different* functions.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of lucky macy
> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 9:16 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon D-10
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> Did you evaluate it against the IK-2000?
>
>
> do not archive
>
> >From: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
> >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon D-10
> >Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:28:48 -0700
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
> >
> >Hi Paul,
> >
> >It is still $1995.00 USD for the foreseeable future. Worth every penny,
> >get
> >it with the on board back up battery $129.00 unless you have
> already got,
> >or
> >plan on a backup battery scheme incorporated into your system.
> >With the internal battery you can turn it on as you pull it out of it's
> >box.
> >No biggy aside from having a hassle free getting familiar
> session right up
> >front.
> >
> >Check out their site at Http://www.dynonavionics.com
> >
> >Jim in Kelowna
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon D-10
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
> > >
> > > What is the price?
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jeff Point" <jpoint@mindspring.com>
> > > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon D-10
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
> > > >
> > > > FWIW, Gillian told me that they have no plans to increase the price
> > > > anytime soon, even for those who are not "locked in."
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Point
> > > >
> > > > Larry Bowen wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
> > > > >
> > > > >Yeah, I was on that list too. Not sure it makes a
> difference or not.
> > > > >Maybe it was to protect against a price increase that never happed
> > > > >(yet).
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
Time: 08:54:23 AM PST US
From: Louis Willig <larywil@comcast.net>
Subject: RV-List: CD player..Kinda RV related
--> RV-List message posted by: Louis Willig <larywil@comcast.net>
I carry a portable CD player in my RV-4 that is rated as Hi G-resistant to
jolts ( I guess its designed for Joggers). Sometimes the machine skips or
just stops. I have recently seen scratches in the form of uniform swirls on
the outer 1/2 inch of the disk. Now some of the tracks show permanent
damage when inserted in my home CD player. Am I destroying my CD's? Do any
of the CD restorer products work?
-
Louis I Willig
1640 Oakwood Dr.
Penn Valley, PA 19072
610 668-4964
RV-4, N180PF
190HP IO-360, C/S prop
310 exciting Hrs.
________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
Time: 09:06:45 AM PST US
From: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Rocket-List: passenger
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
Having just flown in the SNJ at APV I can tell you that it's light on the
controls, Jim did reduce power as Tom approched for photos. Would not want
to instruct from the backseat however as you can't see s--- forward. We came
over the fence at 75, rotated to flare at 65 and touched down will under the
60 mark, rock steady on roll out, just like the HRII. Handles like a giant
yellow RV. KABONG (GBA)
----- Original Message -----
From: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Rocket-List: passenger
> --> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
>
> Tom:
>
> The RV Flight was glad to particapate at the Air Fair. Maybe next year we
> will have an Large RV and Pitts formation for you. Paul and I talked with
> Jason when they were getting ready to leave.
>
> Sounds like you should have introduced me to the young lady pilot.
>
> Even my very slow 160 HP RV-6 can keep up with a T-6 / SNJ. The only
place
> that the T-6 / SNJ out performs the low HP RVs is on the down line as they
> have a Vne of 260 mph compared to the 210 mph RV. They also will out do
the
> RV at the fuel pump taking on a LOT more gas they we use for the same
> mission. At the Cable Air Fair, ATC told us (RV Flight) to follow the T-6
> flight. They were 3 miles ahead of us and we caught them on downwind.
We
> cut them off on the inside of the turn to catch them but they could not
lose
> us after we were at their 6.
>
> Gary A. Sobek
> "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
> 1,285 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
> http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Re: Rocket-List: passenger
> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 07:49:00 -0700
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
>
> Tom,
>
> I too had a interesting passenger yesterday. We are having a small air
fair
> at my local airport, APV, and have several CAF aircraft on display. A
SNJ,
> Navy version of the AT-6, arrived a day early to give some promotional
> rides. One of the high rollers cancelled and my building partner Jack, or
> KABONG, as he like to call himself got to take his place. I asked the
pilot
> if he would mind if I flew a little formation with him to get a couple of
> pictures. Anyway, besides the pilot a lady crew chief came along and as a
> joke I asked her if she wanted to come along, she did. At first, she
didn't
> believe that I could keep up with the SNJ.
>
> I let the SNJ get completely airborne before I took the runway. After my
> normal TO, at the end of the runway, the rocket was already several
hundred
> feet above the SNJ and about a 1/2 mile back. The rocket quickly closed
the
> gap and I was able to fly formation for a couple of minutes on the SNJ.
> Once the photos were taken, we departed the formation and I decided to
show
> her the plane. I did a couple of aileron rolls to check out her system (I
> don't try to get people sick) and she was doing nice. Next she asked to
do
> a loop. So, I showed her one. Then she asked if she could do one. I
said
> OK but that I would be guarding the stick to make sure things don't go
> wrong. Of course, she didn't pull hard enough at the start of the loop
and
> we got a little slow at the top. At the top, the plane stalled and did
that
> little shake it does under those conditions. I helped her recover and
> finished the loop. While this was happening, she said that both she and
the
> plane had just had an orgasm.
>
> She is a nurse, a pilot, a CAF member, not bad looking, and single. She
is
> even thinking about getting a RV after the ride.
>
> Tom Gummo
> Apple Valley, CA
> Air Boss for today's Air Fair
> Come and see us.
>
>
________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
Time: 09:37:58 AM PST US
From: Robert Miller <rmiller3@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: CD player..Kinda RV related
--> RV-List message posted by: Robert Miller <rmiller3@earthlink.net>
Solution:
You can download your ENTIRE collection of CD's to an Apple iPod.
Sort it any way you wish. Easily.
Manage things more fully on either your PC or Mac (works fine with either).
Sounds great. Beautifully engineered.
Then leave your valuable CD collection at home.
And also works, to a large degree, as an information manager.... (possibly
alleviating your need for a Palm Pilot, at least for addresses, contacts,
etc.)
Geee .... Apple should hire me.
Well, I guess I just really think my iPod does what it does very very well.
Regards,
Robert
Louis Willig wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Louis Willig <larywil@comcast.net>
>
> I carry a portable CD player in my RV-4 that is rated as Hi G-resistant to
> jolts ( I guess its designed for Joggers). Sometimes the machine skips or
> just stops. I have recently seen scratches in the form of uniform swirls on
> the outer 1/2 inch of the disk. Now some of the tracks show permanent
> damage when inserted in my home CD player. Am I destroying my CD's? Do any
> of the CD restorer products work?
>
> -
> Louis I Willig
> 1640 Oakwood Dr.
> Penn Valley, PA 19072
> 610 668-4964
> RV-4, N180PF
> 190HP IO-360, C/S prop
> 310 exciting Hrs.
>
________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________
Time: 09:43:22 AM PST US
From: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Dynon D-10
--> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
yeah, sorry! When I read this the firs time what popped to mind was that
large flat panel display engine monitoring system Van's has been selling in
their catalogue for a while now. Not the D-10 :-)
>From: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Dynon D-10
>Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 10:52:05 -0400
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
>
>I am not Jim but I will give a short response here ...
>
>The IK-2000 is focussed *primarily* on supplying "engine information"
>(temps, rpm etc/)whereas
>the D-10 is focussed *primarily* on "flight information" (attitude,
>altitude, airspeed, heading).
>
>One could easily have both as they primarily serve *different* functions.
>
>James
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of lucky macy
> > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 9:16 AM
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon D-10
> >
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Hi Jim,
> >
> > Did you evaluate it against the IK-2000?
> >
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > >From: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
> > >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > >Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon D-10
> > >Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:28:48 -0700
> > >
> > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
> > >
> > >Hi Paul,
> > >
> > >It is still $1995.00 USD for the foreseeable future. Worth every penny,
> > >get
> > >it with the on board back up battery $129.00 unless you have
> > already got,
> > >or
> > >plan on a backup battery scheme incorporated into your system.
> > >With the internal battery you can turn it on as you pull it out of it's
> > >box.
> > >No biggy aside from having a hassle free getting familiar
> > session right up
> > >front.
> > >
> > >Check out their site at Http://www.dynonavionics.com
> > >
> > >Jim in Kelowna
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
> > >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > >Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon D-10
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing"
><azpilot@extremezone.com>
> > > >
> > > > What is the price?
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jeff Point" <jpoint@mindspring.com>
> > > > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon D-10
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > FWIW, Gillian told me that they have no plans to increase the
>price
> > > > > anytime soon, even for those who are not "locked in."
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff Point
> > > > >
> > > > > Larry Bowen wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
><Larry@bowenaero.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Yeah, I was on that list too. Not sure it makes a
> > difference or not.
> > > > > >Maybe it was to protect against a price increase that never
>happed
> > > > > >(yet).
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________
Time: 09:43:22 AM PST US
From: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: CD player..Kinda RV related
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
I know this doesnt answer your question but have you considered a
jukebox/mp3 player. All of your music in one hand held device that will
plug in just like your cd player.
Jeff Dowling
6a
Do not archive
________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________
Time: 09:53:21 AM PST US
From: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: CD player..Kinda RV related
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
Louis Willig wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Louis Willig <larywil@comcast.net>
>
> I carry a portable CD player in my RV-4 that is rated as Hi G-resistant to
> jolts ( I guess its designed for Joggers). Sometimes the machine skips or
> just stops. I have recently seen scratches in the form of uniform swirls on
> the outer 1/2 inch of the disk. Now some of the tracks show permanent
> damage when inserted in my home CD player. Am I destroying my CD's? Do any
> of the CD restorer products work?
Friends of mine have had good results with the CD polishers to get the
scratches out. However I have a better solution to your problem, actually
two. The first is to record the songs you like from all your CD's to your
computer as MP3's then record them back as standard audio CD's or as MP3's (you
will need to get a portable CD player that will play MP3's if you go that
route, they aren't very expensive any more, $100 or less) then take the
recorded CD's with you in the plane. Eventually the high use and vibration in
a plane is going to get to a CD and when it does just toss it and record it
again. Blank CD's are cheap and you can record a lot more songs (80 min) than
come on the typical CD (about 45 min). If you use MP3's you can get over 10
hours on a CD. All my CD's stay in a box in my closet and I just play the ones
I have recorded, since I only record the songs I like, I don't have to skip
past any songs I don't like. The other solution would be to get a portable
memory based MP3 player. Memory cards are cheap enough now that you can store
several hours of MP3's on one. With no moving parts you will never hear a skip
again.
do not archive
--
Chris Woodhouse
3147 SW 127th St.
Oklahoma City, OK 73170
405-691-5206
chrisw@programmer.net
N35 20.492'
W97 34.342'
"They that can give up essential liberty
to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________
Time: 09:55:28 AM PST US
From: SportAV8R@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: Recommended RV camping gear?
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
I think my wife and I are nearing the point of getting adventurous in our old
age and thinking about how cool it might be to actually travel a bit in our
RV to places where a rental car was not the first necessity upon arrival.
Camping with the plane sounds like a way to recover some of our lost
youthfulness... but so much has changed since we camped as kids or as young parents
in the
80's. Would those of you who are now adventuring in this way give us a heads
up on some of the new hi-tech gear we should be shopping for? Obviously it
has to be able to fit in a -6A, so the lighter and smaller, the better. We are
also into comfort, so I would especially cherish any advice on good sleeping
gear and shelter.
Bill B
at almost 47, not quite the Tom Sawyer / Huck Finn type I once was...
do not archive
________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________
Time: 09:57:16 AM PST US
From: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon D-10 IFR Advice
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
That sounds reasonable to me. I am doing a similar panel, but with 2
1/2 inch gauges for the backups, and no VSI. I think you are on the
right track to say that the EFIS is at least as reliable as the vacuum
gyro system. With regards to an "electric system failure" I suggest
that you buy Electric Bob's book before you start wiring, and you'll
realize that with a properly designed electrical system, "total electric
failure" is up there with "wing just falling off" in terms of probability.
Jeff Point
RV-6 FWF
Milwaukee WI
Brad Benson wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Brad Benson" <brad@cds-inc.com>
>
>Hey All,
>
>I'm just getting started on my instrument panel and am planning on putting in
a Dynon D-10. Since I am planning to be able to fly IFR I am thinking I will
use the D-10 to replace only the gyro compass and the attitude indicator, leaving
the rest of the six pack in place (altimeter, turn & bank, ASI, and VSI).
>
>My question for the group is this: Does that seem reasonable? If the D-10 itself
fails, I still have the T&B to fly on (and I do practice partial panel !
:-). If the electrical system fails, the built-in battery backup of the D-10
will keep it going. My feeling is that it is at least as reliable as the
suction instruments (and associated systems) it is replacing.
>
>Does that make sense?
>
>Thanks!
>Brad "Sharpie" Benson
>RV6AQB underway...
>"Please buy my software, it's funding my RV6A project!" - http://www.notamd.com
>
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________
Time: 10:08:52 AM PST US
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon D-10 IFR Advice
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
That's *exactly* what I'm doing. I added a vertical card compass to the mix
as well, so that I'll always have a heading reference regardless of the
state of everything else.
And when all else fails, a Garmin 196 seems to be a good last resort
fallback.
Just say no to moving parts... 8-)
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Benson" <brad@cds-inc.com>
Subject: RV-List: Dynon D-10 IFR Advice
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brad Benson" <brad@cds-inc.com>
>
> Hey All,
>
> I'm just getting started on my instrument panel and am planning on putting
in a Dynon D-10. Since I am planning to be able to fly IFR I am thinking I
will use the D-10 to replace only the gyro compass and the attitude
indicator, leaving the rest of the six pack in place (altimeter, turn &
bank, ASI, and VSI).
>
> My question for the group is this: Does that seem reasonable? If the
D-10 itself fails, I still have the T&B to fly on (and I do practice partial
panel ! :-). If the electrical system fails, the built-in battery backup
of the D-10 will keep it going. My feeling is that it is at least as
reliable as the suction instruments (and associated systems) it is
replacing.
>
> Does that make sense?
>
> Thanks!
> Brad "Sharpie" Benson
> RV6AQB underway...
> "Please buy my software, it's funding my RV6A project!" -
http://www.notamd.com
>
>
________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________
Time: 10:15:59 AM PST US
From: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
Subject: Re: RV-List: CD player..Kinda RV related
--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
Robert Miller wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Robert Miller <rmiller3@earthlink.net>
>
> You can download your ENTIRE collection of CD's to an Apple iPod.
> Sort it any way you wish. Easily.
> Manage things more fully on either your PC or Mac (works fine with either).
> Sounds great. Beautifully engineered.
> Then leave your valuable CD collection at home.
> And also works, to a large degree, as an information manager.... (possibly
> alleviating your need for a Palm Pilot, at least for addresses, contacts,
> etc.)
Solution #2: Archos Jukebox Multimedia (www.archos.com)
Archos makes a few different models of the Multimedia Jukebox, that have
some additional features over the iPod, at the same price points. My
JBMM 20 (20GB of storage) has a 1.5" Color LCD, and can play back MP3's
as well as Pictures and AVI movies. It also comes with a Compact Flash
adapter that allows you to download the pictures from your digital
camera when the card gets full, a 1.3MP camera module that lets you
record stills and AVI movies (with sound) straight to the HD, USB 2.0,
Firewire optional, and AV cable to connect to your home stereo/VCR.
Not to put anything down on the iPod, it's a beautiful device. It's a
little smaller and lighter than the JBMM, has a nicer user interface,
and Apple's strong brand and service organization. But the JBMM does a
fair bit more for about the same amount of money.
(Disclaimer: I work for neither Archos nor Apple. I'm just a happy
Archos owner.)
-Rob
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Louis Willig <larywil@comcast.net>
>>
>>I carry a portable CD player in my RV-4 that is rated as Hi G-resistant to
>>jolts ( I guess its designed for Joggers). Sometimes the machine skips or
>>just stops. I have recently seen scratches in the form of uniform swirls on
>>the outer 1/2 inch of the disk. Now some of the tracks show permanent
>>damage when inserted in my home CD player. Am I destroying my CD's? Do any
>>of the CD restorer products work?
________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________
Time: 10:24:12 AM PST US
From: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Recommended RV camping gear?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
I camp at each Oshkosh and SnF. I carry enough stuff for myself and a
buddy, and we camp fairly comfortably. My "starter" set includes the
following:
1) Therm-a-rest self-inflating camp pads. Get the wide, long, thick ones.
You'll be glad you did. They are very comfortable, relatively light weight,
and take up much less space than foam pads. Here's mine:
http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?productId=9130173&storeId=800
0&catalogId=40000008000&langId=-1
2) Unless the weather is COLD, I don't bring a sleeping bag. Instead, I
carry a pair of old top sheets from a single bed and a fleece blanket.
Easier to modulate the amount of insulation you need, and packs better too.
3) A lightweight 2-3 person tent. Currently, I'm using a two person tent
which has an exterior vestibule where I can store stuff. It was ~$100 from
Galyans. A three person tent is MUCH larger inside and you can have your
clothes and food in the tent with you if you're not camping immediately
beside your flying storage unit... Of course, the three person tent is much
heavier. I couldn't find the one I have on-line, but here's a link to a
similar tent from REI:
http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?productId=47592792&storeId=80
00&catalogId=40000008000&langId=-1
4) A flexible cooler. Nice for keeping a dozen drinks and some sandwich
meat cool. Also doubles as a backup carry-bag for the trip home when you've
consumed all the consumables, but bought three t-shirts, a book, and a
thingamajig that don't fit in your bags...
Beyond that, get a good light. Coleman makes a nice battery powered
lantern. Good for in-tent reading at night. Also, it will light up a fair
sized campsite.
KB
----- Original Message -----
From: <SportAV8R@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Recommended RV camping gear?
> --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
>
> I think my wife and I are nearing the point of getting adventurous in our
old
> age and thinking about how cool it might be to actually travel a bit in
our
> RV to places where a rental car was not the first necessity upon arrival.
> Camping with the plane sounds like a way to recover some of our lost
> youthfulness... but so much has changed since we camped as kids or as
young parents in the
> 80's. Would those of you who are now adventuring in this way give us a
heads
> up on some of the new hi-tech gear we should be shopping for? Obviously
it
> has to be able to fit in a -6A, so the lighter and smaller, the better.
We are
> also into comfort, so I would especially cherish any advice on good
sleeping
> gear and shelter.
>
> Bill B
> at almost 47, not quite the Tom Sawyer / Huck Finn type I once was...
>
> do not archive
>
>
________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________
Time: 10:30:22 AM PST US
From: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon D-10
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi Lucky,
The Dynon D-10 is an electronic flight information system (EFIS).
I bought and built the two Rocky Mountain Instruments (RMI) their "uEncoder"
and "uMonitor" a while back. Aside from the many other features it offers, I
intend to use the uEncoder as a digital back up for Heading, Airspeed, VSI
etc.. I also have a separate altitude and airspeed gages on the panel, So I
guess I have both beltand suspenders and also my Wellys (gum boots). (g-)!
The RMI uMonitor will be used for digital engine monitoring. the IK-2000
came out quite a while after I chose the RMI equipment.
So far I am satisfied with and like the RMI products and I highly recommend
Ron and company any time. Their products work as described and they are very
pleasant helpful people. Things ordered and or sent in for repairs (owner
damaged in my case) or warranty are very promptly returned.
Good product, Good service, good backing, great people!! Happy customers are
made of this!
Opinion:
I like the idea of full engine monitoring, graphic or digital, your choice.
I also know that many aircraft have flown without the aid of such modern
things as electrical systems etc.. None the less, Information provided and
used correctly in a timely fashion offers the opportunity to have more time
for other things such as looking out for what is coming at us {;-)!
The IK-2000 looks good and if it lives up to expectations will do well in
the instrumentation market.
Hmmm I've got room on the panel still....?!!.....Nah, Enough already!
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon D-10
> --> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> Did you evaluate it against the IK-2000?
>
>
> do not archive
>
> >From: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
> >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon D-10
> >Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:28:48 -0700
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
> >
> >Hi Paul,
> >
> >It is still $1995.00 USD for the foreseeable future. Worth every penny,
> >get
> >it with the on board back up battery $129.00 unless you have already got,
> >or
> >plan on a backup battery scheme incorporated into your system.
> >With the internal battery you can turn it on as you pull it out of it's
> >box.
> >No biggy aside from having a hassle free getting familiar session right
up
> >front.
> >
> >Check out their site at Http://www.dynonavionics.com
> >
> >Jim in Kelowna
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon D-10
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
> > >
> > > What is the price?
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jeff Point" <jpoint@mindspring.com>
> > > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon D-10
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
> > > >
> > > > FWIW, Gillian told me that they have no plans to increase the price
> > > > anytime soon, even for those who are not "locked in."
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Point
> > > >
> > > > Larry Bowen wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
> > > > >
> > > > >Yeah, I was on that list too. Not sure it makes a difference or
not.
> > > > >Maybe it was to protect against a price increase that never happed
> > > > >(yet).
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________
Time: 10:42:12 AM PST US
From: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
Subject: RV-List: This cracks me up!
--> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
FYI... here's what I have been up to recently...
http://www.karmy.com/rv9a/pictures/cracks/cracks.htm
- Andy (85hrs TT)
________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________
Time: 10:48:39 AM PST US
From: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
Subject: RV-List: Interior Cable protection?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
What ideas have some of the rest of you used to cover the section of rudder cable
that runs beside the seats? Is there a good way to hide it behind a panel so
that it will stay out of the way of passenger seat belts etc? Seems like it's
a bit too far away from the wall to simply put a flat interior panel over it.
- Andy Karmy
RV9A Seattle WA
Do Not Archive
________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________
Time: 11:05:10 AM PST US
From: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Interior Cable protection?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi Andy,
You could run a length of PVC or Vinyl tubing between the formers for the
cable to lay or run inside of.
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
Subject: RV-List: Interior Cable protection?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
>
> What ideas have some of the rest of you used to cover the section of
rudder cable that runs beside the seats? Is there a good way to hide it
behind a panel so that it will stay out of the way of passenger seat belts
etc? Seems like it's a bit too far away from the wall to simply put a flat
interior panel over it.
>
> - Andy Karmy
> RV9A Seattle WA
> Do Not Archive
>
>
________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________
Time: 11:21:09 AM PST US
From: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Recommended RV camping gear?
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
I assume you have the wing tip mod. for extra storage. A two person tent
fits into one tip with room left over. Jackets and other light but bulkly
items into the other. If not get a hold of me off-list and I'll send you
some photos, etc. of same. KABONG (GBA) HRII N561FS
----- Original Message -----
From: <SportAV8R@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Recommended RV camping gear?
> --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
>
> I think my wife and I are nearing the point of getting adventurous in our
old
> age and thinking about how cool it might be to actually travel a bit in
our
> RV to places where a rental car was not the first necessity upon arrival.
> Camping with the plane sounds like a way to recover some of our lost
> youthfulness... but so much has changed since we camped as kids or as
young parents in the
> 80's. Would those of you who are now adventuring in this way give us a
heads
> up on some of the new hi-tech gear we should be shopping for? Obviously
it
> has to be able to fit in a -6A, so the lighter and smaller, the better.
We are
> also into comfort, so I would especially cherish any advice on good
sleeping
> gear and shelter.
>
> Bill B
> at almost 47, not quite the Tom Sawyer / Huck Finn type I once was...
>
> do not archive
>
>
________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________
Time: 12:27:30 PM PST US
From: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: This cracks me up!
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
Looks like your dimples are too deep, which could be a factor in creating
"extra" stress. Also, by the sharp edges of flush rivets being down inside
the dimple, there could be some "sharp edge stress/wear" going on.
David
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
Subject: RV-List: This cracks me up!
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
>
> FYI... here's what I have been up to recently...
>
> http://www.karmy.com/rv9a/pictures/cracks/cracks.htm
>
> - Andy (85hrs TT)
>
>
________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________
Time: 01:25:02 PM PST US
Subject: Re: RV-List: EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty Hawk
From: glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com
06/09/2003 02:51:44 PM
--> RV-List message posted by: glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com
I have been noticing for the past several years that the EAA has gotton big
into sponsorship programs for themselves and are starting to be so big that
they are forgetting about the "homebuilders" If you go to Oshkosh look at
all the pepsi and john deere ads.
Just my thoughts
Glenn Williams
do not archive
________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________
Time: 01:59:27 PM PST US
From: "chris m" <vhmum@bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Interior Cable protection?
--> RV-List message posted by: "chris m" <vhmum@bigpond.com>
Andy you realy dont need anything there. If your taking a non pilot for a
ride strap them in so they dont get tangledin the cable. Other than that it
is a non issue. Remember the more stuff you put in the more weight you
have...and it does add up.
Only my thoughts.
Chris and Susie 156hours
VH-MUM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
Subject: RV-List: Interior Cable protection?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
>
> What ideas have some of the rest of you used to cover the section of
rudder cable that runs beside the seats? Is there a good way to hide it
behind a panel so that it will stay out of the way of passenger seat belts
etc? Seems like it's a bit too far away from the wall to simply put a flat
interior panel over it.
>
> - Andy Karmy
> RV9A Seattle WA
> Do Not Archive
>
>
________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________
Time: 02:06:40 PM PST US
From: "George McNutt" <gmcnutt@intergate.ca>
Subject: RE: RV-List: This cracks me up!
--> RV-List message posted by: "George McNutt" <gmcnutt@intergate.ca>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
FYI... here's what I have been up to recently...
http://www.karmy.com/rv9a/pictures/cracks/cracks.htm
- Andy (85hrs TT)
Hi Andy
Not sure this can be done, but after looking at the pictures I thought if it
was my aircraft I would experiment and use a small hypodermic (sp) needle to
inject some expanding foam insulation through the stop drill holes to try
and bond both sides of the skin together and prevent oil canning or any
tuning fork type vibrations.
No cracks at 150 hrs on my .016 skins but I have one rivet at the aft end of
my rudder that seems loose, I applied Locktite studlocker and it seems to be
holding it secure. (studlocker took paint off)
Good luck,
George McNutt
Langley, B.C.
________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________
Time: 02:15:10 PM PST US
From: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: CD player..Kinda RV related
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
The MP3 players are the way to go. No skipping, easy to use, customized
playlists, etc. Plus, the title of all the songs appear on the LCD screen,
so you can scroll though all of the songs to the one you want without
listening to the beginning of each or looking at a legend that you put on
the CD or CD case.
Can't beat the price nowadays. I got the portable one so I could use it
while exercising, flying in other airplanes, etc. I have 128MB model that
has an additional capabilty of 128MB. 256MB total gives you several hours
of music without changing CD's.
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold (Waiting on RV-10)
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Kitlog Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________
Time: 02:40:33 PM PST US
From: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Interior Cable protection?
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Check any boat store, they sell a vinyl split tubing (usually in white)
used to cover the lines on boats. Very light, cheap (about $2 for a 6
foot length) and improves the looks. For this price tear it off and
replace it during each annual, to inspect the cables.
Jeff Point
RV-6 FWF
Milwaukee WI
Andy Karmy wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
>
>What ideas have some of the rest of you used to cover the section of rudder cable
that runs beside the seats? Is there a good way to hide it behind a panel
so that it will stay out of the way of passenger seat belts etc? Seems like it's
a bit too far away from the wall to simply put a flat interior panel over it.
>
>- Andy Karmy
> RV9A Seattle WA
> Do Not Archive
>
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________
Time: 02:42:00 PM PST US
From: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
Subject: RV-List: Wing tip mods
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
Could you provide a link or other reference to these wing tip mods/
Thank You
Mike Stephenson
Lubbock, TX
RV-6A (about 1/2 way)
> I assume you have the wing tip mod. for extra storage. A two person tent
> fits into one tip with room left over. Jackets and other light but bulkly
> items into the other. If not get a hold of me off-list and I'll send you
> some photos, etc. of same. KABONG (GBA) HRII N561FS
________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________
Time: 03:25:31 PM PST US
From: "Ernest Kells" <ernest.kells@sympatico.ca>
Subject: RV-List: Why didn't you build a plastic airplane
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ernest Kells" <ernest.kells@sympatico.ca>
For those of you on the List still second guessing about building that slick
plastic plane should read the following post on the Aerolectric List.
NOTE: This question is only about using plastic ties ! ! !
The question:
> I'm building a fiberglass airplane. I'd like to use cable ties to hold
most
> of the wire. What is everyone using for cable tie mounts? Lanciar uses
> click-bond at $1.65 each. Panduit has some for 90 cents each. Both
appear
> easy to install but expensive.
One of the simple answers:
>> The stick on type just don't hold up. I remove the adhesive from the
back, drill several small holes around the edge of the base, then 5 minute
epoxy them in place with a strip of duct tape over them to hold in place.
Without the small holes to give some tooth for the epoxy they can pull off
since the epoxy does not bond well to the plastic. <<
________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________
Time: 03:50:29 PM PST US
From: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: This cracks me up!
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
Subject: RV-List: This cracks me up!
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
>
> FYI... here's what I have been up to recently...
>
> http://www.karmy.com/rv9a/pictures/cracks/cracks.htm
>
> - Andy (85hrs TT)
>
>
Andy,
Did you deburr your rivet holes?
Enquiring minds and all that...
KB
Do not archive.
________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________
Time: 04:24:00 PM PST US
From: "Jordan Grant" <jgrant@sw.rr.com>
Subject: RV-List: AFP Boost Pump and Fuel Lines in RV-6
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jordan Grant" <jgrant@sw.rr.com>
The RV-6/A builders out there:
I am pondering my Airflow Performance boost pump installation and
fuel line routing for my RV-6. Can some of you that have done this
alreay give me a short description of what you did? A search of the
archives yielded some info, but not a clear answer on a good way to do
this.
My working theory right now is to adapt the high-pressure boost pump
mounting stuff that Van's makes for the RV-7. I'm not sure how this will
work because of the differences in the RV-7's wing spar carrythrough
bulkhead design. Has anyone out there made this work in the RV-6?
Thanks,
Jordan Grant
Working on panel and thinking about fuel lines
________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________
Time: 04:30:47 PM PST US
From: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Interior Cable protection?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
Several of the RV's around Lubbock have covered the rudder cable with a
white plastic tube that is sold by boating companies. It is slit long wise
and fits the cable. It moves with the cable. It keeps from wearing the
uphostery.
Mike Stephenson
________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________
Time: 04:38:12 PM PST US
From: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: This cracks me up!
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
I talked to Ken at Van's 3 days ago on this topic. He says DO NOT USE
EXPANDING FOAM. It will trap moisture and cause corrosion and when sitting
in the sun, will begin expanding again until the rudder is round. He
actually did it on a rudder on another brand of kitplane. He is not guessing
about the outcome. DO NOT USE EXPANDING FOAM !
I got to thinking later, and wished I had asked Ken, why not fill the rudder
full of the Styrofoam peanuts you use to package items for shipping? No
weight, no vibration and costs about 2 cents. :)
Mike Stephenson
> Not sure this can be done, but after looking at the pictures I thought if
it
> was my aircraft I would experiment and use a small hypodermic (sp) needle
to
> inject some expanding foam insulation through the stop drill holes to try
> and bond both sides of the skin together and prevent oil canning or any
> tuning fork type vibrations.
________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________
Time: 04:45:18 PM PST US
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: CHT & EGT guages.
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
I'm making up my big money list in preparation to drop a load.............of
money, course I might drop the other kind of load when I write the check
very shortly, and have a question for the list.
My panel will have a Dynon unit along with TC, VSI, AI, ALT and Verital card
compass. I've decided to forgo the nice wiz bang engine monitering systems
in leiu of simple guages for MP, OP, OT and CHT, EGT. I'll use the money
saved to buy my Tru Track. I'm putting in a Garmin GNC 300XL approach
certified GPS/COM unless I can find a used 430. I want to view all four
CHTs and EGTs at the same time. I don't want to use a switch and only one
head for each EGT & CHT. Has anyone used the Westach Quad guages for EGT
and CHT? If so, how do you like them. If you are doing something somewhat
the same........but different, what did you use?
Anyone know of a good source for used approach certified GPS/COMs. I'd just
like to kill two birds with one stone and am familiar with the Garmin 300XL
as I have that installed in my Bonanza.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________
Time: 04:57:21 PM PST US
From: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Wing tip mods
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
My digital camera is junk. Will take some detailed photos, maybe a drawing,
go to Costco and get them developed on a disk. Will forward them as soon as
possible. Do Not Archive KABONG (GBA)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
Subject: RV-List: Wing tip mods
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
>
> Could you provide a link or other reference to these wing tip mods/
>
> Thank You
> Mike Stephenson
> Lubbock, TX
> RV-6A (about 1/2 way)
>
> > I assume you have the wing tip mod. for extra storage. A two person tent
> > fits into one tip with room left over. Jackets and other light but
bulkly
> > items into the other. If not get a hold of me off-list and I'll send you
> > some photos, etc. of same. KABONG (GBA) HRII N561FS
________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________
Time: 05:03:15 PM PST US
From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: CD player..Kinda RV related
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
Which one do you have? I like the few that have the MP3 and FM
capability. I think Nomad is one brand. Should these be able to plug
into an intercom directly or will an amp or something be needed?
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
2003 - The year of flight!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Besing
> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 5:12 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: CD player..Kinda RV related
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
>
> The MP3 players are the way to go. No skipping, easy to use,
> customized playlists, etc. Plus, the title of all the songs
> appear on the LCD screen, so you can scroll though all of the
> songs to the one you want without listening to the beginning
> of each or looking at a legend that you put on the CD or CD case.
>
> Can't beat the price nowadays. I got the portable one so I
> could use it while exercising, flying in other airplanes,
> etc. I have 128MB model that has an additional capabilty of
> 128MB. 256MB total gives you several hours of music without
> changing CD's.
>
> Paul Besing
> RV-6A Sold (Waiting on RV-10)
> http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
> Kitlog Builder's Log Software
> http://www.kitlog.com
>
________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________
Time: 05:10:40 PM PST US
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: AFP Boost Pump and Fuel Lines in RV-6
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
I would think the adaptability of the RV-7 AFP kit for the RV-6 would
largely depend on the width of the center cabin cover (space between the two
inboard floor stiffeners). I think the biggest value of the install kit
that Van's sells is that you have a pre-fab platform and cover shroud for
mounting the pump and filter. If that wasn't going to fit in the RV-6 then
I wouldn't bother with the install kit, just make your own.
FWIW, on my RV-7 the space between those floor stiffeners is 8". Is that
the same on the RV-6?
Looks like the price of the kit is about $70 more than just buying the pump
& filter alone. I don't know...looking back, it seems like it would be
pretty easy to make an .040 mounting base, cut some slots...and clamps,
rubber channel, tubing and fittings are cheap. The cover shroud would be
pretty easy to make as well.
Easy for me to say...coming from an RV-7 builder. But hopefully this info
helps in some way. Good luck!
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jordan Grant" <jgrant@sw.rr.com>
Subject: RV-List: AFP Boost Pump and Fuel Lines in RV-6
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jordan Grant" <jgrant@sw.rr.com>
>
> The RV-6/A builders out there:
> I am pondering my Airflow Performance boost pump installation and
> fuel line routing for my RV-6. Can some of you that have done this
> alreay give me a short description of what you did? A search of the
> archives yielded some info, but not a clear answer on a good way to do
> this.
> My working theory right now is to adapt the high-pressure boost pump
> mounting stuff that Van's makes for the RV-7. I'm not sure how this will
> work because of the differences in the RV-7's wing spar carrythrough
> bulkhead design. Has anyone out there made this work in the RV-6?
>
> Thanks,
> Jordan Grant
> Working on panel and thinking about fuel lines
>
>
________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________
Time: 05:16:55 PM PST US
From: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: This cracks me up!
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
Andy, this is interesting. I doubt your problems are workmanship, but
rather, the floating stiffener design. A couple of questions about the
9A:
1. What is the skin thickness on the 9's?
2. Do the stiffeners float, i.e., do they attach only to the skins (and
not to any other structure) as do the earlier models?
3. Did Van recommend to put RTV in the area of the trailing edge? He
did in the 6's, at least in my 93 vintage plans.
4. What engine/prop do you have?
If you are going to rebuild them, I would absolutely find a way to tie
the stiffeners to the spar on the front edge and use some goop to keep
the aft edges stabilized. That is what I'm going to do on the
inevitable rebuild.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 310 hours
www.rvforum.org
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
>
> FYI... here's what I have been up to recently...
>
http://www.karmy.com/rv9a/pictures/cracks/cracks.htm
- Andy (85hrs TT)
________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________
Time: 06:50:48 PM PST US
From: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: CD player..Kinda RV related
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
I have the Creative Labs Nomad II. Works flawlessly for the last year. It
doesn't have the FM radio, but there is a model that does.
do not archive
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold (Waiting on RV-10)
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Kitlog Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: CD player..Kinda RV related
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
>
> Which one do you have? I like the few that have the MP3 and FM
> capability. I think Nomad is one brand. Should these be able to plug
> into an intercom directly or will an amp or something be needed?
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
> 2003 - The year of flight!
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Besing
> > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 5:12 PM
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: CD player..Kinda RV related
> >
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
> >
> > The MP3 players are the way to go. No skipping, easy to use,
> > customized playlists, etc. Plus, the title of all the songs
> > appear on the LCD screen, so you can scroll though all of the
> > songs to the one you want without listening to the beginning
> > of each or looking at a legend that you put on the CD or CD case.
> >
> > Can't beat the price nowadays. I got the portable one so I
> > could use it while exercising, flying in other airplanes,
> > etc. I have 128MB model that has an additional capabilty of
> > 128MB. 256MB total gives you several hours of music without
> > changing CD's.
> >
> > Paul Besing
> > RV-6A Sold (Waiting on RV-10)
> > http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
> > Kitlog Builder's Log Software
> > http://www.kitlog.com
> >
>
>
________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________
Time: 07:29:39 PM PST US
Subject: Re: RV-List: This cracks me up!
From: Tom Lutgring <rv9abldr@juno.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Tom Lutgring <rv9abldr@juno.com>
Andy, Thank you for sharing this with us. I was reading your post below
from April 28, where you were describing some stall techniques. I am
curious If Vans had any input as to whether they felt this may be too
aggressive for the 9A. Possibly overstress the rudder? Maybe your
workmanship is perfect. The skins may need to be thicker with the
floating stiffener design. I guess it will take time and a few more
examples flying to see how much of a problem this will be. Are the 4 and
6 skins .016?
good luck, Tom RV-9A fuselage
>As for stalls, if you want to have some fun with them. Roll over into a
80 degree 4G level turn, then pull back until it stalls. It happens at
about 90mph and throws you to level. Or another fun one is fully cross
controlled rudder & aileron, pull into a stall and bam you're inverted!
Nice... Don't try this on the base to final turn that's for sure. But
like Ivo said you have to really try to get this type of behaviour out of
the RV9, it's not in the standard flight conditions that you will find
it.
>Q: Are any aerobatic maneuvers permitted in the 9A?
>Has anyone tried some?
Define permitted... Remember these are homebuilts, they have limits that
must be obeyed, they don't have "restrictions" per say... :)
Lots of sky turning can be had within +4.4G -1.7G Utility category limits
that the RV9 is built to.
- Andy
________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________
Time: 07:39:40 PM PST US
From: SportAV8R@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Recommended RV camping gear?
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
In a message dated 6/9/2003 2:22:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jhstarn@earthlink.net writes:
> I assume you have the wing tip mod. for extra storage. A two person tent
> fits into one tip with room left over. Jackets and other light but bulkly
> items into the other
Nah; I thought about it but decided that's where the antennas go... I don't
really know how much it helps, but I know you won't find an antenna in the
slipstream anywhere on my plane anymore. I put the last two inside the wingtips
last week. GPS antenna is on the glareshield, ELT antenna in the baggage
window, XPDR antenna in the wheelpant, Comm ant. in one wingtip, 2 meter ham in
the
other. It may not increase speed, but it makes it much easier on the hands
to wash and wax the plane :-)
Never had any problem fitting anything I truly needed for a trip into the
baggage hold, but with camping gear, one does have to watch the weight and volume
add up.
Tell me more about stoves, coolers, chairs, etc...
-Bill B
do not archive
________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________
Time: 08:25:48 PM PST US
From: "Steve J Hurlbut" <sjhdcl@kingston.net>
"RV-7 YAHOO" <RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>, <rv-list@matronics.com>
Subject: RV-List: Transition training - Northern NY?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve J Hurlbut" <sjhdcl@kingston.net>
I hope to fly my RV7A within the next month or so.
I'm looking for an RV to do transition training in. I live 1 hour north of
Watertown, NY, or
3 hours east of Toronto, and would be willing to drive a few hours and pay
for some hours during a
weekend visit.
Thank you
Steve Hurlbut
Kingston, Ontario
RV7A
________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________
Time: 08:37:53 PM PST US
From: Larygagnon@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: Re: charging problem
--> RV-List message posted by: Larygagnon@aol.com
Well, I thought I had solved my charging problem when the adjustable voltage
regulator checked out bad at a local repair shop. I had the field wire to the
alternator plugged into the E terminal on the alternator instead of the field
terminal during the first engine run and figured that fried the regulator. I
put a new regulator in and was told by the shop to connect the unused yellow
wire from the regulator to switched 12 volts from the alternator switch in the
panel. I'm using the control vision EXP bus to supply power to the field of
the alternator. My Vision VM 1000 unit shows 12.7 to 13.3 volts but 25 to 39
amps output from the alternator. This is from Van's 35 amp alternator with
just lighting (strobes, nav and landing lights) on. Any thoughts on where to
look for a problem? What should my amp output be at 1000 RPM with just minimal
lighting on? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. First flight as soon as
I get this sorted out.
Larry.
________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________
Time: 08:38:02 PM PST US
From: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty Hawk
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
I'm with you Glenn.
I wonder if there is evidence that the AOPA is moving toward the high end,
business jets and other expensive stuff and EAA is flowing into the small
aircraft vacuum that is left. I also wonder if most of AOPAs membership
isn't owners of airplanes under $250,000? Where would they be without
us? Where would EAA be without homebuilt aircraft builders and owners?
The answer is they would both collapse.
Do we need to organize?
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
At 08:31 AM 6/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com
>
>I have been noticing for the past several years that the EAA has gotton big
>into sponsorship programs for themselves and are starting to be so big that
>they are forgetting about the "homebuilders" If you go to Oshkosh look at
>all the pepsi and john deere ads.
>
>Just my thoughts
>
>Glenn Williams
>do not archive
________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________
Time: 08:39:36 PM PST US
From: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: NEW jABIRU 8 CYL ENGINE FLOWN IN rv6
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 11:39 AM 6/9/2003 +1000, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "MICK MULLER" <MULLERPHARM@bigpond.com>
>
>For those who are interested, Jabiru have put 5 hours test flying in their
>8 cylinder jabiru powered RV6. Another engine option for RVers.
>
>http://www.jabiru.net.au/engines/8cylin.html
How much? Wouldn't an eight fly nice and smooth!! Like an electric motor.
do not archive
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________
Time: 08:43:23 PM PST US
From: Gil Alexander <gilalex@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: AFP Boost Pump and Fuel Lines in RV-6
--> RV-List message posted by: Gil Alexander <gilalex@earthlink.net>
I just fitted this RV-7/9 central cover in my RV-6A. The floor channels
are the same distance apart. The front match to the firewall recess may be
slightly different... my early Vans firewall recess (bent to shape) seems
to be deeper than the present recess, so the top of the area that forms the
"heat plenum" may need to be trimmed a bit.
The aft end is different, since the RV-6A has a "V" shape on the floor just
ahead of the spar, while the RV-7/9 is flat in this area. So the fuel
selector support probably won't fit.
Except for the floor profile, everything else seems the same...
gil in Tucson
>I would think the adaptability of the RV-7 AFP kit for the RV-6 would
>largely depend on the width of the center cabin cover (space between the two
>inboard floor stiffeners). I think the biggest value of the install kit
>that Van's sells is that you have a pre-fab platform and cover shroud for
>mounting the pump and filter. If that wasn't going to fit in the RV-6 then
>I wouldn't bother with the install kit, just make your own.
>
>FWIW, on my RV-7 the space between those floor stiffeners is 8". Is that
>the same on the RV-6?
>
> > The RV-6/A builders out there:
> > I am pondering my Airflow Performance boost pump installation and
> > fuel line routing for my RV-6. Can some of you that have done this
> > alreay give me a short description of what you did? A search of the
> > archives yielded some info, but not a clear answer on a good way to do
> > this.
> > My working theory right now is to adapt the high-pressure boost pump
> > mounting stuff that Van's makes for the RV-7. I'm not sure how this will
> > work because of the differences in the RV-7's wing spar carrythrough
> > bulkhead design. Has anyone out there made this work in the RV-6?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jordan Grant
> > Working on panel and thinking about fuel lines
> >
> >
>
>
RV-6A, #20701 .. fitting out firewall...
77 Tiger N28478 at 57AZ
________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________
Time: 09:33:55 PM PST US
Subject: Re: RV-List: Interior Cable protection?
From: Don Diehl <diehldon@attbi.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Don Diehl <diehldon@attbi.com>
>>
>>
>> What ideas have some of the rest of you used to cover the section of
> rudder cable that runs beside the seats? Is there a good way to hide it
> behind a panel so that it will stay out of the way of passenger seat
> belts
> etc?
>
>
> You could run a length of PVC or Vinyl tubing between the formers for
> the
> cable to lay or run inside of.
>
> Jim in Kelowna
>
To straighten the curl in the as-purchased plastic tubing:
Insert a long rod then pour hot water through the tube.
Allow to cool. Remove the rod.
Don Diehl
Bremerton WA
RV-4, N28EW, With neat rudder cables.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: AFP Boost Pump and Fuel Lines in RV-6 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
Jordan,
I have been working on this recently for an RV-6A that I am helping build.
We wanted to do this because the cover used going from the fuel selector
panel forward covers the fuel lines and gives a good place for the wiring to
go forward also. It all adapted well with two exceptions. The first is
that if you use the deep firewall box the forward portion of the cover that
is inteded to be the defusseer for the cabin heat doesn't fit well. It
could be trimmed and made to fit without too much work. The second thing,
and closer to what you were asking is that the new fuel selector tower
doesn't fit the same because of the different style of spar. This was
fixted quite easily with a little bent aluminum attached to the front of the
spar and bent down to fit under the fuel selector tower. It then fit pretty
good.
It isa interesting to not that we have adapted the RV-7 high pressure fuel
mount to the RV-9A I am also working on. On this one everything fit like a
charm.
Good luck,
Mike Robertson
RV-8A, 6A, and 9A
>From: "Jordan Grant" <jgrant@sw.rr.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: AFP Boost Pump and Fuel Lines in RV-6
>Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:21:13 -0500
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jordan Grant" <jgrant@sw.rr.com>
>
>The RV-6/A builders out there:
> I am pondering my Airflow Performance boost pump installation and
>fuel line routing for my RV-6. Can some of you that have done this
>alreay give me a short description of what you did? A search of the
>archives yielded some info, but not a clear answer on a good way to do
>this.
> My working theory right now is to adapt the high-pressure boost pump
>mounting stuff that Van's makes for the RV-7. I'm not sure how this will
>work because of the differences in the RV-7's wing spar carrythrough
>bulkhead design. Has anyone out there made this work in the RV-6?
>
> Thanks,
> Jordan Grant
> Working on panel and thinking about fuel lines
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: This cracks me up! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
Responses below...
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
>1. What is the skin thickness on the 9's?
.016 for rudder .020 for elevators
>2. Do the stiffeners float, i.e., do they attach only to the
>skins (and not to any other structure) as do the earlier models?
Yep Same design
>3. Did Van recommend to put RTV in the area of the trailing edge?
>He did in the 6's, at least in my 93 vintage plans.
Nope. But later it was recomended to proseal the TE wedge part in place during
construction.
>4. What engine/prop do you have?
0-320-D2A Sensenich metal
>use some goop to keep the aft edges stabilized.
I decided to proseal the entire length of the stiffener to the .016 skins and back
rivet them wet (just like tank building) Worked great, they came out nice
and smooth and that should secure the ends of the stiffeners. Now the plan is
to put proseal over the ends also while closing up the surface. I really do think
that much of my problem was build quality. I suspect I over deburred, over
dimpled (hit too hard) and then finished it off by over riveting... You know
how it goes, you learn as you go and the parts get better the closer to the front
of the plane you look!
- Andy
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| Subject: | Re: CHT & EGT guages. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brad Benson" <brad@cds-inc.com>
Hi Dana,
I can't help you with CHT/EGT stuff, but I do know of a couple of good sources
for GPS/COMMs: ebay.com and jaair.com. The later often sells through the former,
but also sells equipment outright. In my case, I just wanted the capability
to do a GPS approach if needed and decided on a King KLN89B. I got it,
with a new mounting kit and antenna, for $945 including shipping. I've seen
GNC300XLs there for around $2000, and GNS430s for between $5000 and $6000 (all
refurb or used & tagged).
Also, unless you get the GNS430, you'll need an annunciator control panel of some
kind. I've seen the Mid Continent units go on ebay for anywhere from $225
to $675. I think new from Spruce they were around $800. I don't know if JAAir
has those or not; I already had one before I bought the GPS unit.
Cheers!
Brad "Sharpie" Benson
RV6AQB underway...
"Please buy my software, it's funding my RV6A project!" - http://www.notamd.com
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
On 6/9/2003 at 7:41 PM Dana Overall wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
>I'm making up my big money list in preparation to drop a
>load.............of
>money, course I might drop the other kind of load when I write the check
>very shortly, and have a question for the list.
>
>My panel will have a Dynon unit along with TC, VSI, AI, ALT and Verital
>card
>compass. I've decided to forgo the nice wiz bang engine monitering
>systems
>in leiu of simple guages for MP, OP, OT and CHT, EGT. I'll use the money
>saved to buy my Tru Track. I'm putting in a Garmin GNC 300XL approach
>certified GPS/COM unless I can find a used 430. I want to view all four
>CHTs and EGTs at the same time. I don't want to use a switch and only one
>head for each EGT & CHT. Has anyone used the Westach Quad guages for EGT
>and CHT? If so, how do you like them. If you are doing something
>somewhat
>the same........but different, what did you use?
>
>Anyone know of a good source for used approach certified GPS/COMs. I'd
>just
>like to kill two birds with one stone and am familiar with the Garmin
>300XL
>as I have that installed in my Bonanza.
>
>
>Dana Overall
>Richmond, KY
>RV-7 slider/fuselage
>http://rvflying.tripod.com
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: charging problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
Larry,
Not knowing how your system is exactly installed, I would suggerst to first
eliminate the lights first and see what the amp reading is. Possibly the
problem now exists with lights. Fire up the beast with no load and see what
you reading is. Then briefly turn off the battery switch and see what the
reading is. Possibly the battery is low. It is not unusual to see a high
amp reading for a couple of minutes while the battery is re-charging after a
start. If everything is ok at that point then turn on one thing at a time
to see where the load is going. The possibility exists that there may be a
short in one of the wires. I have also seen where a shielded wire has
somehow gotten a single strand of the shield wire crossed to the load wire.
Good luck,
Mike Robertson
>From: Larygagnon@aol.com
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Re: charging problem
>Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 23:34:21 EDT
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Larygagnon@aol.com
>
>Well, I thought I had solved my charging problem when the adjustable
>voltage
>regulator checked out bad at a local repair shop. I had the field wire to
>the
>alternator plugged into the E terminal on the alternator instead of the
>field
>terminal during the first engine run and figured that fried the regulator.
>I
>put a new regulator in and was told by the shop to connect the unused
>yellow
>wire from the regulator to switched 12 volts from the alternator switch in
>the
>panel. I'm using the control vision EXP bus to supply power to the field
>of
>the alternator. My Vision VM 1000 unit shows 12.7 to 13.3 volts but 25 to
>39
>amps output from the alternator. This is from Van's 35 amp alternator with
>just lighting (strobes, nav and landing lights) on. Any thoughts on where
>to
>look for a problem? What should my amp output be at 1000 RPM with just
>minimal
>lighting on? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. First flight as soon
>as
>I get this sorted out.
>
>Larry.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: This cracks me up! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
I can't think of anything I can do with the plane that would put more stress on
the rudder than a full slip to landing! I would have to imagine that it should
be an allowable thing to do...
Also remember that the RV9 rudder is the same one that the RV7 uses now!
As far as I have been able to find out no one else has yet had a problem. The RV9A
prototype has 750 hours on it with no cracks, however they did tell me that
they did some work on the TE due to skin movement and that's where the recomendation
to proseal the wedge in place came from.
- Andy
--> RV-List message posted by: Tom Lutgring <rv9abldr@juno.com>
Andy, Thank you for sharing this with us. I was reading your post below
from April 28, where you were describing some stall techniques. I am
curious If Vans had any input as to whether they felt this may be too
aggressive for the 9A. Possibly overstress the rudder? Maybe your
workmanship is perfect. The skins may need to be thicker with the
floating stiffener design. I guess it will take time and a few more
examples flying to see how much of a problem this will be. Are the 4 and
6 skins .016?
good luck, Tom RV-9A fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty Hawk |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
Dear Larry,
Go there for info on this years meeting of the SAA (held this coming weekend),
June 13 - 15
http://www.sportaviation.org/urbana.html
Greetings,
Konrad
----- Original Message -----
From: lm4@juno.com
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty Hawk
--> RV-List message posted by: lm4@juno.com
Glen,
A lot of people have noticed that. On the list and
in my Chapter. It now costs a small fortune, on the grounds,
to feed a family at Osh. People on the list have lamented
the damage to thier planes and blame it on EAA for allowing
non-airplane type people on the flight line. And the fact that
EAA has contrived about every way imaginable to ask us for
more money for an ever growing number of programs; some
of which has little or nothing to do with building Airplanes.
recently began coming to life ? Apparantly the founder has
had the name"Sport Aviation Association" on the books as a
legal non-profit for some time but only recently chose to
give it life. It, the SAA, has had a gathering at a field at
Urbaba Ohio in 01. I don't know if there is another scheduled
for this year. You can probably find out by going to thier
website at hhtp://www.sportaviation.org
The thing that gets my attention about it is that the founder's
name is Paul Poberezny. HTH.
Larry Mac Donald
Rochester N.Y.
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On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:31:25 -0500 06/09/2003 02:51:44 PM
glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com writes:
> --> RV-List message posted by:
> glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com
>
>
> I have been noticing for the past several years that the EAA has
> gotton big
> into sponsorship programs for themselves and are starting to be so
> big that
> they are forgetting about the "homebuilders" If you go to Oshkosh
> look at
> all the pepsi and john deere ads.
>
> Just my thoughts
>
> Glenn Williams
> do not archive
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| Subject: | re:Oil Pressure measurement |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
Thanks for the responses.
The solution: 9/16" box end wrench; cut end open 1/2"; bend shank about
75 degrees.
RHDudley
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| Subject: | Re: CD player..Kinda RV related |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
Rozendaal, like Van Grunsven, is Dutch. For those not versed in the ways of
us with wooden shoes, you need to know that copper wire was invented when
two Dutchman found a penny......
I had a "cheap" portable CD player in the panther and it skipped too. It
was not related to G load, just vibration. When I put it on my lap it
worked great, so I cut out a piece of foam rubber 3x3x1/2 and put velcro on
each side and stick it between the CD player and the floor and it works
perfect.
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
Wooden Head, Wooden Shoes, Wouldn't Listen!
>Snip
At first my wife told me I was crazy for buying what amounted to a $400
walkman and I had a case of sticker shock initially but that quickly wore
off. They are worth the $$ if you like your music. The software that comes
with the iPod (for windows) is not very good, I use some shareware software
to sync the iPod with my pc, and no commercially-available mp3 encoder can
touch eac/lame which is a combination of freeware mp3 encoding programs.
>
> Bob Japundza
> RV-6 flying 450hrs, F1 under const.
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| Subject: | Re: EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty Hawk |
06/10/2003 09:59:04 AM
--> RV-List message posted by: glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com
I have found that Paul and Tom have become very political figures and after
listening to some of their conversations away from the "CROWD", I believe
it is time for the movement to move on. Dont get me wrong. I firmly believe
that a lot of the programs have helped us become a safer and more aligned
gruop. I totally love the Oshkosh gathering and the airshows around the
country that bring us together and make us all feel part of a large group
with the same interest/ hobby. I just feel that when you go to a group
gathering it should be void of sponsorships that are detrimental to the
sport. When I go to a meet if I want to drink a Coke I want coke not pepsi.
I am fully aware that these sponsors are pouring big money at the
Poberanzies, and am also aware that they are making fortunes from them and
us. It is not a non-profit organization any more. I see them flying P-51's
and other non homebuilt aircraft these days. they totally put Van on the
back shelf when he donated his pride and joy. It just sure seems to me that
they have gotton too big for us.
what I am looking for is an event that gets back to basics and away from
commercialsim. If you have to have sponsors make it where the sponsors are
a "silent" partner and not a venue to sell/show your product.
I am tired of hearing over the loud speakers about sponsorships products, I
want to hear about the latest and greatest products that our members are
marketing and selling to make the hobby better.
again these are my thoughts. How do you feel?
Glenn Williams
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: CD player..Kinda RV related |
--> RV-List message posted by: Garry LeGare <versadek@earthlink.net>
I've got a Automotive Sony AM/FM CD player as well, it's never skipped.
Casper
Jim Norman wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Norman" <jgnorman@tampabay.rr.com>
>
>I have an auto-style Sony AM/FM CD player in my panel. It is one of the best
>things I ever did. It works perfectly, never skips (I have even done a few
>rolls with it playing and it has not skipped). Just because others say their
>CD player skips does not mean that they all do. Mine never has... buy a
>better unit???.
>
>I just put a new stereo in my car, however... and THIS is what you should
>do: Put one of the car-type in-dash types in, but buy the kind that
>supports MP3... so, you have the best of both worlds. Down side: Takes up
>panel space that you may need.
>
>My stereo is wired into the stereo intercom, and it is absoultely the
>greatest thing. Combined with ANR headphones, it cannot be beat.
>
>jim
>tampa
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: charging problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
Larry,
After the battery is charged the current should equal the load. That is,
whatever you have turned on plus the master relay.
Dave
Larygagnon@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Larygagnon@aol.com
>
>Well, I thought I had solved my charging problem when the adjustable voltage
>regulator checked out bad at a local repair shop. I had the field wire to the
>alternator plugged into the E terminal on the alternator instead of the field
>terminal during the first engine run and figured that fried the regulator. I
>put a new regulator in and was told by the shop to connect the unused yellow
>wire from the regulator to switched 12 volts from the alternator switch in the
>panel. I'm using the control vision EXP bus to supply power to the field of
>the alternator. My Vision VM 1000 unit shows 12.7 to 13.3 volts but 25 to 39
>amps output from the alternator. This is from Van's 35 amp alternator with
>just lighting (strobes, nav and landing lights) on. Any thoughts on where to
>look for a problem? What should my amp output be at 1000 RPM with just minimal
>lighting on? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. First flight as soon as
>I get this sorted out.
>
>Larry.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty Hawk |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brad Benson" <brad@cds-inc.com>
Wow. I agree.
<OPINION>
I've only been working on my plane for a couple of years, and it was a year before
that I attended my first Oshkosh gathering. After hearing my uncle (who
built two Tailwinds and a Pietenpol) talk about how great Oshkosh (and Rockford,
before that) was, I was surprised to find that it was more like a big trade
show than a large scale fly-in. Sure, it's still a blast, but there is an awful
lot of ....stuff.... that isn't even aviation related. I didn't pay money
to get in to look at the latest John Deere tractors. If Beech/Cessna/Eclipse/Pilatus/etc.
want to have sales pavillions there, great - but put them in the
back corner and drop the RVs / Lancairs / Glassairs / Zeniths / etc. where
all the sales stuff is now. Either that, or drop the price of admission a bit.
</OPINION>
I've never been to Sun'n'Fun - is it pretty much the same as Oshkosh i.e. over-commercialized?
Thanks!
Brad "Sharpie" Benson
RV6AQB underway...
"Please buy my software, it's funding my RV6A project!" - http://www.notamd.com
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
On 6/10/2003 at 10:01 AM glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com
>
>
>I have found that Paul and Tom have become very political figures and after
>listening to some of their conversations away from the "CROWD", I believe
>it is time for the movement to move on. Dont get me wrong. I firmly believe
>that a lot of the programs have helped us become a safer and more aligned
>gruop. I totally love the Oshkosh gathering and the airshows around the
>country that bring us together and make us all feel part of a large group
>with the same interest/ hobby. I just feel that when you go to a group
>gathering it should be void of sponsorships that are detrimental to the
>sport. When I go to a meet if I want to drink a Coke I want coke not pepsi.
>I am fully aware that these sponsors are pouring big money at the
>Poberanzies, and am also aware that they are making fortunes from them and
>us. It is not a non-profit organization any more. I see them flying P-51's
>and other non homebuilt aircraft these days. they totally put Van on the
>back shelf when he donated his pride and joy. It just sure seems to me that
>they have gotton too big for us.
>
>what I am looking for is an event that gets back to basics and away from
>commercialsim. If you have to have sponsors make it where the sponsors are
>a "silent" partner and not a venue to sell/show your product.
>
>I am tired of hearing over the loud speakers about sponsorships products, I
>want to hear about the latest and greatest products that our members are
>marketing and selling to make the hobby better.
>
>again these are my thoughts. How do you feel?
>
>Glenn Williams
>
>do not archive
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Been using the latest dynon rev since it was first posted, just fixed a few
things like the aux displays reseting to off when the unit was cycled down.
The unit continues to work flawlessly, I highly suggest its worth the wait,
and I am slowly getting used to flying it along with the other gauges,
rather than playing with the pretty new toy but flying on the steam units.
Bummed I missed APV fair, was in nocal at another party. Stopped at MCE
antique flyin, was great as usual. Speaking of oil, I had a very small seep
turn into a bigger leak, so I got into it yesterday and the right mag had
come slightly loose, not enough to rotate, but it was leaking. So off with
its head and a new gasket underneath, and she's good as new.
I'm gonna try to fly from Furnace Creek CA direct to Leadville CO this
thursday. I may stop by APV for a visit on the way up in the late afternoon
on Wednesday. Is there any lodging close by? or a good place to campout?
Seems like Furnace Creek has been in the 117s the last few days, so I only
want to be there when the sun isn't.
The other problem is fuel. It seems they are only open for fuel at Furnace
Creek from 8-5, but I want to take off there at O-Dark early, and have no
desire to be there between 8-5. I haven't worked this out fully but it looks
like I'll fill at APV or DAG and then carry a five gallon jug for top off at
FC. The downside is I don't want to keep the gas can on board after I empty
it, yet I'm too cheap to just throw it away... any ideas?
W
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty Hawk |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
Second! Glenn in Arizona -9A emp.
----- Original Message -----
From: <glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty Hawk
> --> RV-List message posted by: glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com
>
>
> I have found that Paul and Tom have become very political figures and
after
> listening to some of their conversations away from the "CROWD", I believe
> it is time for the movement to move on. Dont get me wrong. I firmly
believe
> that a lot of the programs have helped us become a safer and more aligned
> gruop. I totally love the Oshkosh gathering and the airshows around the
> country that bring us together and make us all feel part of a large group
> with the same interest/ hobby. I just feel that when you go to a group
> gathering it should be void of sponsorships that are detrimental to the
> sport. When I go to a meet if I want to drink a Coke I want coke not
pepsi.
> I am fully aware that these sponsors are pouring big money at the
> Poberanzies, and am also aware that they are making fortunes from them and
> us. It is not a non-profit organization any more. I see them flying P-51's
> and other non homebuilt aircraft these days. they totally put Van on the
> back shelf when he donated his pride and joy. It just sure seems to me
that
> they have gotton too big for us.
>
> what I am looking for is an event that gets back to basics and away from
> commercialsim. If you have to have sponsors make it where the sponsors are
> a "silent" partner and not a venue to sell/show your product.
>
> I am tired of hearing over the loud speakers about sponsorships products,
I
> want to hear about the latest and greatest products that our members are
> marketing and selling to make the hobby better.
>
> again these are my thoughts. How do you feel?
>
> Glenn Williams
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: charging problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
Larry,
Unless the manufacturer of Van's adjustable regulator has changed his
regulator circuit since I dissected the bad one,( that I mentioned in my
post of 6/2/03), the yellow wire ties directly to the red wire input but
with a diode and a 56 ohm resistor in series. The diode drops the input
voltage by .55 volts plus whatever is dropped by the resistor. Can't imagine
why your shop would tell you to connect it as stated (presumably you have
the red wire connected to same the same point?) Essentially if you have the
red wire to the alternator switch point also, the diode-resistor pair in the
regulator are shorted out by the red wire. I believe the yellow wire is used
in automobile applications where it would be connected to ground to protect
the regulator from negative spikes that could be induced by other auto
systems on shut-down.
Cheers!!---Henry Hore
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Bill,
Go to any backpackers store. Buy anything and everything except for the
backpack.
I would suggest all airshows as a good place to start practicing your RV
camping skills. This gives you plenty opportunity to get it down without
being miserable because your brand new chair left you sitting on the ground,
like mine did this weekend at Merced. But be aware, at most shows/camp
grounds, if you need it you better bring it.
Also get used to the temps being very different from where you are as the RV
gets a long ways away in a short while. Layers are the key to this.
W
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| Subject: | Re: NEW jABIRU 8 CYL ENGINE FLOWN IN rv6 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture" <commando@cox-internet.com>
I talked to them at the SWR fly-in and it was 18k!
Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: "kempthornes" <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: NEW jABIRU 8 CYL ENGINE FLOWN IN rv6
> --> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
>
> At 11:39 AM 6/9/2003 +1000, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "MICK MULLER" <MULLERPHARM@bigpond.com>
> >
> >For those who are interested, Jabiru have put 5 hours test flying in
their
> >8 cylinder jabiru powered RV6. Another engine option for RVers.
> >
> >http://www.jabiru.net.au/engines/8cylin.html
>
> How much? Wouldn't an eight fly nice and smooth!! Like an electric
motor.
> do not archive
>
> K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
> RV6-a N7HK flying!
> PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CHT & EGT guages. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture" <commando@cox-internet.com>
You can get a new GNS430 from John Stark for $ 5800.00!
Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Benson" <brad@cds-inc.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: CHT & EGT guages.
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brad Benson" <brad@cds-inc.com>
>
> Hi Dana,
>
> I can't help you with CHT/EGT stuff, but I do know of a couple of good
sources for GPS/COMMs: ebay.com and jaair.com. The later often sells
through the former, but also sells equipment outright. In my case, I just
wanted the capability to do a GPS approach if needed and decided on a King
KLN89B. I got it, with a new mounting kit and antenna, for $945 including
shipping. I've seen GNC300XLs there for around $2000, and GNS430s for
between $5000 and $6000 (all refurb or used & tagged).
>
> Also, unless you get the GNS430, you'll need an annunciator control panel
of some kind. I've seen the Mid Continent units go on ebay for anywhere
from $225 to $675. I think new from Spruce they were around $800. I
don't know if JAAir has those or not; I already had one before I bought the
GPS unit.
>
> Cheers!
> Brad "Sharpie" Benson
> RV6AQB underway...
> "Please buy my software, it's funding my RV6A project!" -
http://www.notamd.com
>
> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
>
> On 6/9/2003 at 7:41 PM Dana Overall wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> >
> >I'm making up my big money list in preparation to drop a
> >load.............of
> >money, course I might drop the other kind of load when I write the check
> >very shortly, and have a question for the list.
> >
> >My panel will have a Dynon unit along with TC, VSI, AI, ALT and Verital
> >card
> >compass. I've decided to forgo the nice wiz bang engine monitering
> >systems
> >in leiu of simple guages for MP, OP, OT and CHT, EGT. I'll use the money
> >saved to buy my Tru Track. I'm putting in a Garmin GNC 300XL approach
> >certified GPS/COM unless I can find a used 430. I want to view all four
> >CHTs and EGTs at the same time. I don't want to use a switch and only
one
> >head for each EGT & CHT. Has anyone used the Westach Quad guages for EGT
> >and CHT? If so, how do you like them. If you are doing something
> >somewhat
> >the same........but different, what did you use?
> >
> >Anyone know of a good source for used approach certified GPS/COMs. I'd
> >just
> >like to kill two birds with one stone and am familiar with the Garmin
> >300XL
> >as I have that installed in my Bonanza.
> >
> >
> >Dana Overall
> >Richmond, KY
> >RV-7 slider/fuselage
> >http://rvflying.tripod.com
> >do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: rudder cables in cockpit |
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
I enclosed mine in 1/2 inch beige CPVC pipe. This passes easily over the
swaged cable ends and the 1/2" pipe couplings fit over the protruding ends of the
snap bushings, locking the CPVC in place. The pipes and cables traverse
through side pockets in my interior upholstery, and cause little if any
interference with the usefulness of these map pockets.
-Bill B
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| Subject: | Re: AFP Boost Pump and Fuel Lines in RV-6 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
I installed the 7 bp/filter on my 6 a couple of months ago. It took quite a
bit of tinkering. The floor attachment is no problem since the 8 inch
spacing is the same. The modification comes in when you try to attatch the
box vans sends you to your fuel sel valve. I made a base for my fuel sel
that resembles the 7. It attaches to the box and seat pants with nutplates.
I plumbed the fuel lines staight forward to the batt box and then around the
right of the box and thru the firewall. You'll definitely need a tube
bender to put it all together. All in all, it was kinda fun. Just took
longer than I thought.
Jeff
6a
----- Original Message -----
From: Jordan Grant <jgrant@sw.rr.com>
Subject: RV-List: AFP Boost Pump and Fuel Lines in RV-6
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jordan Grant" <jgrant@sw.rr.com>
>
> The RV-6/A builders out there:
> I am pondering my Airflow Performance boost pump installation and
> fuel line routing for my RV-6. Can some of you that have done this
> alreay give me a short description of what you did? A search of the
> archives yielded some info, but not a clear answer on a good way to do
> this.
> My working theory right now is to adapt the high-pressure boost pump
> mounting stuff that Van's makes for the RV-7. I'm not sure how this will
> work because of the differences in the RV-7's wing spar carrythrough
> bulkhead design. Has anyone out there made this work in the RV-6?
>
> Thanks,
> Jordan Grant
> Working on panel and thinking about fuel lines
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: charging problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
This is old news for many RV builders, but a mid-1970's Ford automotive
regulator (less than $10 at your local auto parts store) works like a
charm on our planes. The parts number often referenced is VR166, but any
Ford car regulator (any brand) for 1970-1985 will work fine, and if you
have trouble on the road, a replacement is as close as the local
AutoZone. I have nearly 500hrs on my cheapie regulator, and at my
suggestion, several local fliers have gone to the Ford unit after their
high-dollar regulators flaked out.
Sam Buchanan
=================
Elsa & Henry wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
>
> Larry,
> Unless the manufacturer of Van's adjustable regulator has changed his
> regulator circuit since I dissected the bad one,( that I mentioned in my
> post of 6/2/03), the yellow wire ties directly to the red wire input but
> with a diode and a 56 ohm resistor in series. The diode drops the input
> voltage by .55 volts plus whatever is dropped by the resistor. Can't imagine
> why your shop would tell you to connect it as stated (presumably you have
> the red wire connected to same the same point?) Essentially if you have the
> red wire to the alternator switch point also, the diode-resistor pair in the
> regulator are shorted out by the red wire. I believe the yellow wire is used
> in automobile applications where it would be connected to ground to protect
> the regulator from negative spikes that could be induced by other auto
> systems on shut-down.
>
> Cheers!!---Henry Hore
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| Subject: | Re: EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty Hawk |
06/10/2003 12:19:47 PM
--> RV-List message posted by: glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com
Sun-n-Fun is getting that way too. I believe as far as admission goes to
one of our "BIG" events that an existing member should always recieve the
utmost respect regardless if he or she has flown in or not. When you let
people pay to become members for the week just so they can have access to
the flight line in my opinion is malarky. I totally agree that the
"factory" aircraft should take a back seat to the experimental side of the
house after all that is the main drive of the show, to focus on the
achievements of the experimental side of the hobby. I understand that the
factory guys pay big bucks for prime real estate to show their products.
However I see a trend from the EAA that disturbs me greatly and that is
during the shows the Experimental guys are taking a back seat to the
sponors that the EAA has signed with. I am all for trade show market (read
fly in market/ flea market) if it has to do with aircraft and associated
parts ans surplus. I do not want to buy a guitar during Oshkosh. If and
when I get the new show on the road here are a few guidelines I would like
to see implemented.
1. let people become members of the organization and if they subscribe
during a "show week" and desire access to the flight line they pay extra
for that priviledge.
existing members do not pay.
2. factory aircraft are the back seat of the show. The experimental side is
the focus and the reason why we are there.
3. flying. Although I believe it is nice to have Shawn and Patty at an
airshow I want more experimental aircraft in the air to display their
achievements. Not neccesarily an aerobatic performance but a flyby by all
those who have flown in and have a desire to show their aircrafts aspects
to perspective builders.
4. not be restricted by sponsors, i.e. keep the grup fluid and allow for
new ideas to emerge and be able to implement new ideas without
restrictions.
5. members have a direct say in the organization not just a proxy vote. but
be able to interact with members and officers. Have a leadership body that
is not family owned but owned by the members.
These are just some of the preliminary thoughts and I have plenty more and
am looking for new ideas and a way to implement a new group. I forsee this
taking awhile to get off the gruond but if there are enough people
interested I think it is viable.
Regards
Glenn Williams
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: CD player..Kinda RV related |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
I have the archos jukebox. It holds 10 gb, as opposed to 2hundred
something. They're now up to 20gb.
Its a hard drive that can also store data and hooks up to your computer via
usb. Its a great idea but mine has been a little bit unreliable. I would
go with a jukebox instead of a straight mp3 player. I plug it into old
stereos via cassete tape adapter. Newer ones have dig inputs. I bought a
car stereo for under 200 bucks with a dig in on the front. Havent flown
with it yet though but Ive had it on my boat and car and havent had a prob
yet due to movement. Just a pesky lcd screen that sometimes doesnt like to
work.
Jeff Dowling
6a
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bowen <Larry@bowenaero.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: CD player..Kinda RV related
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
>
> Which one do you have? I like the few that have the MP3 and FM
> capability. I think Nomad is one brand. Should these be able to plug
> into an intercom directly or will an amp or something be needed?
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
> 2003 - The year of flight!
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Besing
> > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 5:12 PM
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: CD player..Kinda RV related
> >
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
> >
> > The MP3 players are the way to go. No skipping, easy to use,
> > customized playlists, etc. Plus, the title of all the songs
> > appear on the LCD screen, so you can scroll though all of the
> > songs to the one you want without listening to the beginning
> > of each or looking at a legend that you put on the CD or CD case.
> >
> > Can't beat the price nowadays. I got the portable one so I
> > could use it while exercising, flying in other airplanes,
> > etc. I have 128MB model that has an additional capabilty of
> > 128MB. 256MB total gives you several hours of music without
> > changing CD's.
> >
> > Paul Besing
> > RV-6A Sold (Waiting on RV-10)
> > http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
> > Kitlog Builder's Log Software
> > http://www.kitlog.com
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: charging problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Hmmm.
Your alternator is proving 25-39 amps!!!? We have that alternator and the
EXP-BUS. Our alternator does NOT supply that much (at least for sure not at
anything near idle).
If I turn on the lights etc while at pattern speed, the voltage will start
creeping down and eventually I get a "low voltage" warning and an indication
of about 12 volts ... going down.
If in fact it is producing that much, consider that part a good thing. Does
it do this right after startup? On another plane I notice upwars of 50 amps
being delivered to recharge the battery and then it settles down after a few
minutes. You can even notice it needing less and less as the battery gets
charged.
Does you voltage *ever* get over 14 volts? If not, something is wrong with
either the battery, alternator, regulator etc.
I would let it run for a while with nothing on and see of the battery seems
to take on a charge (voltage going up, current required going down).
Best wishes,
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> Larygagnon@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 11:34 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Re: charging problem
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Larygagnon@aol.com
>
> Well, I thought I had solved my charging problem when the
> adjustable voltage
> regulator checked out bad at a local repair shop. I had the
> field wire to the
> alternator plugged into the E terminal on the alternator instead
> of the field
> terminal during the first engine run and figured that fried the
> regulator. I
> put a new regulator in and was told by the shop to connect the
> unused yellow
> wire from the regulator to switched 12 volts from the alternator
> switch in the
> panel. I'm using the control vision EXP bus to supply power to
> the field of
> the alternator. My Vision VM 1000 unit shows 12.7 to 13.3 volts
> but 25 to 39
> amps output from the alternator. This is from Van's 35 amp
> alternator with
> just lighting (strobes, nav and landing lights) on. Any thoughts
> on where to
> look for a problem? What should my amp output be at 1000 RPM
> with just minimal
> lighting on? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. First
> flight as soon as
> I get this sorted out.
>
> Larry.
>
>
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| Subject: | EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty |
Hawk
--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Glenn, I went to the SAA website and it looks like, for some time now, Paul
P has had in mind what you are talking about and is in fact trying to do
something about it.
Sounds to me that he is trying to do just what you mentioned so it might be
a good idea to spur that effort on.
Also, it seems to me that there are in fact *several* such gatherings
underway already. From the reports we get, the one in Waco (I think) this
past weekend was just such an event. And there is another coming up this
weekend. Though these are not all "EAA" events, they are vents for our kind
of planes for the most part.
Let's face it, "Oshkosh"/"Airventure" has become a BIG *aviation-related*
"sports" event that includes custom-built and factory-built planes. It is
large and once something gets that large, it tends to both attract and need
the Fords and John Deeres of the world to support same.
I also like the diversity of offerings at OSH. If I want, I can spend all my
time talking and/or gawking RV. Or in the big "commercial" buildings. Or at
ultralights or antique/classic/contemporary or warbirds or the slick new
commercial offerings.
Yup, I have in fact spent (with real interest) in each of these places. My
problem is that I have not taken ENOUGH time to visit all the stuff I wanted
to see.
James
... glad we have a "big event" like OSH as well as the "little events" being
discussed.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:01 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty Hawk
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com
>
>
> I have found that Paul and Tom have become very political figures
> and after
> listening to some of their conversations away from the "CROWD", I believe
> it is time for the movement to move on. Dont get me wrong. I
> firmly believe
> that a lot of the programs have helped us become a safer and more aligned
> gruop. I totally love the Oshkosh gathering and the airshows around the
> country that bring us together and make us all feel part of a large group
> with the same interest/ hobby. I just feel that when you go to a group
> gathering it should be void of sponsorships that are detrimental to the
> sport. When I go to a meet if I want to drink a Coke I want coke
> not pepsi.
> I am fully aware that these sponsors are pouring big money at the
> Poberanzies, and am also aware that they are making fortunes from them and
> us. It is not a non-profit organization any more. I see them flying P-51's
> and other non homebuilt aircraft these days. they totally put Van on the
> back shelf when he donated his pride and joy. It just sure seems
> to me that
> they have gotton too big for us.
>
> what I am looking for is an event that gets back to basics and away from
> commercialsim. If you have to have sponsors make it where the sponsors are
> a "silent" partner and not a venue to sell/show your product.
>
> I am tired of hearing over the loud speakers about sponsorships
> products, I
> want to hear about the latest and greatest products that our members are
> marketing and selling to make the hobby better.
>
> again these are my thoughts. How do you feel?
>
> Glenn Williams
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CD player..Kinda RV related |
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
I've been flying my RV with my iPod for a year and a half. I love
it. Matter of fact, I just upgraded to the new 15gig as a present to
myself. One of the best gadgets I own.
There's a picture of my installation of my iPod at the bottom of the page at:
http://members3.clubphoto.com/socal230330/429050/guest.phtml
Laird
Do Not Archive
>--> RV-List message posted by: Bob Japundza <bjapundza@yahoo.com>
>
>I have a Sony car cd player in mounted in the panel of my RV-6, and
>wouldn't recommend going that route. It skips when you put any
>g-load on the airplane.
>
>Recently I bought a 15gb Apple iPod and I think it is the best thing
>since sliced bread. I've gotten very attached to it. I have about
>60 cd's loaded on it right now and am barely using over 3 gb out of
>the 15 available at 192kbs vbr encoding rate which is very close to
>cd quality (my ears can't tell the difference, but at 128kbs I can).
>It doesn't skip even when you shake it (it has a tiny hard drive
>inside) and I wired up a jack in the panel to plug it in. At first
>my wife told me I was crazy for buying what amounted to a $400
>walkman and I had a case of sticker shock initially but that quickly
>wore off. They are worth the $$ if you like your music. The
>software that comes with the iPod (for windows) is not very good, I
>use some shareware software to sync the iPod with my pc, and no
>commercially-available mp3 encoder can touch eac/lame which is a
>combination of freeware mp3 encoding programs.
>
>Bob Japundza
>RV-6 flying 450hrs, F1 under const.
>
>
>---------------------------------
>Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM).
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Ross Schlotthauer <rdschlotthauer@yahoo.com>
Is anyone out there planning on attending the home
wing flyin this weekend that will be traveling through
North Idaho/Eastern washington? If so I would love to
catch a ride and split some fuel.
Ross Schlotthauer
RV7 Finishing Fuse
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Control Vision Anywhere Map - Weather |
--> RV-List message posted by: Frank Eldridge <eldridge@legis.state.ga.us>
I am contemplating buying Anywhere Weather for use in an RV. Would love
to hear from anybody that's had experience with Anywhere Map - Weather.
We are in the middle of a thunderstorm season in the Southeast and this
looks like the best, i.e. less expensive, way of getting weather to the
cockpit. Please let me hear your experiences or opinions.
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| Subject: | So, Mike Stewart, How did you do? |
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--> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
Sorry for the delay response. Just got back from Waco and some business.
Well funny you should ask. This was my first race, and I came in a
respectable 7th of 8. I carried the kitplanes editor, hence the shot in the
magazine. My average speed was 202mph. Remember this is from a standing
start. I was satisfied for my first run. Now it is time to make a few mods,
and run year after year to make improvements. I have already picked up a
couple of knots. Worst part of the race was getting beat by my good friend
Danny kight by 2 mph in his 160hp 6 dragger vs my 180 training wheel. Best
part was beating my buddy Clay smith in his 180hp rv-4 (he was 8th). I can
not tell you how much fun it was for all of us. Quite a rush.
Now that I have a benchmark, I can make changes each year and make a go of
it.
Thanks for asking.
Do not archive
Mike Stewart
-----Original Message-----
From: BBreckenridge@att.net [mailto:BBreckenridge@att.net]
Subject: RV-List: So, Mike Stewart, How did you do?
--> RV-List message posted by: BBreckenridge@att.net
Mike;
Nice mug shot on Page 40 of the July issue of Kitplanes! Any idea what your
average
speed was? And, if you aren't too embarrassed to reveal how you placed as a
"first-
timer", how was it? and, how did you do?
Bruce Breckenridge
Clackamas ,OR
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| Subject: | Re: AFP Boost Pump and Fuel Lines in RV-6 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
Jordan...
I bought this kit but ended up fabbing my own pieces anyway. Van's is
designed to use the stock fuel selector turned backwards, but I chose the Andair
valve so couldn't do that. Wasn't that hard a project though. Makes it even easier
if you have electric trim so no cable to get in the way. I will say that the
hi pressure boost pump and filter combo sure has enough connections, about 18
or so, each one a potential leaker, so caution with the flare tool is advised.
I have pix if you need any.
Jerry Cochran
<<Time: 04:24:00 PM PST US
From: "Jordan Grant" <jgrant@sw.rr.com>
Subject: RV-List: AFP Boost Pump and Fuel Lines in RV-6
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jordan Grant" <jgrant@sw.rr.com>
The RV-6/A builders out there:
I am pondering my Airflow Performance boost pump installation and
fuel line routing for my RV-6. Can some of you that have done this
alreay give me a short description of what you did? A search of the
archives yielded some info, but not a clear answer on a good way to do
this.
My working theory right now is to adapt the high-pressure boost pump
mounting stuff that Van's makes for the RV-7. I'm not sure how this will
work because of the differences in the RV-7's wing spar carrythrough
bulkhead design. Has anyone out there made this work in the RV-6?
Thanks,
Jordan Grant
Working on panel and thinking about fuel lines>>
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| Subject: | Re: Canadian Consumer Satisfaction? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
This is intended to reach out across the Canadian Homebuilder community:
I have been listening to homebuilt aircraft builder people's comments regarding
the inspection process that they are required to follow.
It occurred to me that It might be good to get and share a more general scan
of builders experiances and reactions.
If you are happy say how and why here.
If you are not happy say how and why here.
Suggestions?
Jim in Kelowna
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| Subject: | Re: Home wing flyin |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
Ross:
If weather is good at 7 AM, I will be traveling from SoCAL to Sacramento to
pick up a pax and fuel then on to SPB. RON in the Portland area (TBD) then
return to RIU (Sacramento) and SoCAL (CCB) Sunday .
Sorry that I am not in eastern WA area and without a PAX.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,285 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
----Original Message Follows----
From: Ross Schlotthauer <rdschlotthauer@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: Home wing flyin
--> RV-List message posted by: Ross Schlotthauer <rdschlotthauer@yahoo.com>
Is anyone out there planning on attending the home
wing flyin this weekend that will be traveling through
North Idaho/Eastern washington? If so I would love to
catch a ride and split some fuel.
Ross Schlotthauer
RV7 Finishing Fuse
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| Subject: | Re: EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty Hawk |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
Just take a look at that conglomoration of sales tents. Used to be that
every 'street' on the market place had a hardware tent. last year I
counted 2 places I could buy AN hardware in a decent variety. but
generators, bagage, pots pans,sunglasses, hats, chairs, etc. was rampand.
One of the reasons I go to OSH is to stock up on hardware and aluminum.
Even that's now becoming an extinc thing. Another spot to be taken over
by food processors and cutlery sales.
glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com
>
>
> I have found that Paul and Tom have become very political figures and after
> listening to some of their conversations away from the "CROWD", I believe
> it is time for the movement to move on. Dont get me wrong. I firmly believe
> that a lot of the programs have helped us become a safer and more aligned
> gruop. I totally love the Oshkosh gathering and the airshows around the
> country that bring us together and make us all feel part of a large group
> with the same interest/ hobby. I just feel that when you go to a group
> gathering it should be void of sponsorships that are detrimental to the
> sport. When I go to a meet if I want to drink a Coke I want coke not pepsi.
> I am fully aware that these sponsors are pouring big money at the
> Poberanzies, and am also aware that they are making fortunes from them and
> us. It is not a non-profit organization any more. I see them flying P-51's
> and other non homebuilt aircraft these days. they totally put Van on the
> back shelf when he donated his pride and joy. It just sure seems to me that
> they have gotton too big for us.
>
> what I am looking for is an event that gets back to basics and away from
> commercialsim. If you have to have sponsors make it where the sponsors are
> a "silent" partner and not a venue to sell/show your product.
>
> I am tired of hearing over the loud speakers about sponsorships products, I
> want to hear about the latest and greatest products that our members are
> marketing and selling to make the hobby better.
>
> again these are my thoughts. How do you feel?
>
> Glenn Williams
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500
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| Subject: | Re: Recommended RV camping gear? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Bill,
We puchased a Serria Designs Clip 3 tent (although it suppose to be for 3
it's really a 2 peron tent. The tent is great high quality and I expect it
to last. The good news ot weiths in at 5.5 lbs and is baged in a cylinder
shape about 1' long. The ouch is it's $175 on the net (but that is not bad
for a quality tent.
You may want to rent a good tent and try camping - I enjoyed it before you
take the plung.
Chuck Rowbotham
RV-8A
>From: SportAV8R@aol.com
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Recommended RV camping gear?
>Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 12:51:30 EDT
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
>
>I think my wife and I are nearing the point of getting adventurous in our
>old
>age and thinking about how cool it might be to actually travel a bit in our
>RV to places where a rental car was not the first necessity upon arrival.
>Camping with the plane sounds like a way to recover some of our lost
>youthfulness... but so much has changed since we camped as kids or as young
>parents in the
>80's. Would those of you who are now adventuring in this way give us a
>heads
>up on some of the new hi-tech gear we should be shopping for? Obviously it
>has to be able to fit in a -6A, so the lighter and smaller, the better. We
>are
>also into comfort, so I would especially cherish any advice on good
>sleeping
>gear and shelter.
>
>Bill B
>at almost 47, not quite the Tom Sawyer / Huck Finn type I once was...
>
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| Subject: | Thoughts on Glenn Williams ideas of a new organization |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
Do not archive
Has to do with homebuilders and building and not RVs.
One mans opinion on EAA and AOPA etc.
First, let me tell you where I am coming from. I got my pilot certificate
at 18 and flew about 200 hours while working at Piper Aircraft in Lock
Haven, PA. I went into the Air Force after college and flew F-4s and
OV-10s. After twenty years, I was asked to retire (one of those down-sizing
of the military periods). I didnt fly much (read that spam cans are dull)
but didnt want to stop flying. Took matters into my own hands and started
to build a RV-4. Before too far into the kit, the Harmon Rocket II came
along. Modified the tail a little and build the rest into a Rocket. I love
that plane.
Back to the main subject, I want to have at least one MAJOR organization,
which is looking out for the rights of the private pilots, local airports,
and general aviation.
The two I know of are the AOPA and the EAA. I am not a member of the AOPA
but from the outside looking in: their magazine covers general aviation
pretty good but I dont see much or almost nothing for the homebuilders. As
far as their lobby efforts go, I might rate them better than EAA.
Next the EAA, their magazine used to be very good at covering the homebuilt
and builders but lately, they seem to cover more of the high end kits which
are out of the reach of the average builder. While they have lobby efforts
too, I think the AOPA is more effective. WHAT I HATE ABOUT THE EAA, IS MY
PERCEPTION THAT MY DUES ARE USED BY PAUL AND TOM TO FLY P-51s AND OTHERWISE
LIVE LARGE. At the local level, I am a chapter president. The chapter
members volunteer their time, efforts, and money and receive nothing in
return except the knowledge that we worked hard to support general aviation.
I want the EAA to be a volunteer organization, where my dues are used to
support general aviation, and not pay large salaries, build large and fancy
offices, etc, etc.
I only have so many dollars I can put into aviation. I cant just throw
money at both organizations. I have to pick one. I will currently stay
with the EAA.
However, I have seen a couple of emails on this RV-List that have wanted to
start another organization. I will be watching as I am not happy with my
current choices. Sorry, I cant help with money at this time but let me
know if I can help in another way.
Tom Gummo
President EAA Chapter 768
Apple Valley, CA
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
After looking at several 7s, 8s and a couple of 9s under construction and
completed, there was one area of this pre punch that I was not happy with.
Once again, I'm only talking about the pre punch crowd. The joint between
the .032 fuel tank and the .025 outboard leading edge left much to be
desired on several airplanes I have seen, mine included. It carried over to
the leading edge, making the joint look out of sync with everything else
that fits so nicely on the pre punch. In that I am painting my airplane
black and it has been so graciously pointed out that all "imperfections", as
in "stinken", will be seen, I undertook a very easy fix. Seeing that my
first airplane was of the plastic variety and I have done several forums on
Smooth Prime and Super Fil this seemed like a non event project to
undertake.
I scuffed up the outboard leading edge and laid a piece of removable
painting tape on the fuel tank side of the joint. Next I simply trowel in
some Super Fil, going over the edge of the tape. I then removed the tape
and used a razor knife to cut the line back between the tank and outboard
leading edge. I didn't want to seal this joint if I ever have to remove the
tank. The tape thickness allowed the Super Fil to build up on the outboard
leading edge, leaving a nice thickness to sand back down. I ended up
repeating this process about three time. The final product turned out very
nice.
I don't know if this is just a problematic area on the 7s but it would have
been something I would have just looked at all the
time....................anal............probably, but preparation H, or in
this case, Super Fil solved the itch.
I've got some pics showing the difference before and after, if anyone wants
to see the fix. Email me off the list if you want.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Home wing flyin |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ross Schlotthauer <rdschlotthauer@yahoo.com>
Thanks Gary, I will have to catch up with you when I
have N703RV flying.
-Ross
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--- RV6 Flyer <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer"
> <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
>
> Ross:
>
> If weather is good at 7 AM, I will be traveling from
> SoCAL to Sacramento to
> pick up a pax and fuel then on to SPB. RON in the
> Portland area (TBD) then
> return to RIU (Sacramento) and SoCAL (CCB) Sunday .
>
> Sorry that I am not in eastern WA area and without a
> PAX.
>
> Gary A. Sobek
> "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
> 1,285 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
> http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: Ross Schlotthauer <rdschlotthauer@yahoo.com>
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Home wing flyin
> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:27:53 -0700 (PDT)
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ross Schlotthauer
> <rdschlotthauer@yahoo.com>
>
> Is anyone out there planning on attending the home
> wing flyin this weekend that will be traveling
> through
> North Idaho/Eastern washington? If so I would love
> to
> catch a ride and split some fuel.
>
> Ross Schlotthauer
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| Subject: | Re: EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty Hawk |
--> RV-List message posted by: James Connell <conneljr@bigpond.net.au>
This is a very timely thread. Have attended about twenty Osh.events,starting
[ with pregnant wife ] at Rockford in 1972. From a homebuilders prspective
thing have steadily regressed shortly after the move to OSH. Costs & quality
of foods & beverages are unacceptable, ditto admission charges. Time to
remove the food concessionaires & throw open provending contract to new
blood, similarly remove most of the large overtly commercial elements (
Eclipse etc.) . Let us hope that SAA.can fill this obvious vaccum. James
Connell.
----- Original Message -----
From: <glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: EAA- 25 pilots to Kitty Hawk
> --> RV-List message posted by: glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com
>
>
> Sun-n-Fun is getting that way too. I believe as far as admission goes to
> one of our "BIG" events that an existing member should always recieve the
> utmost respect regardless if he or she has flown in or not. When you let
> people pay to become members for the week just so they can have access to
> the flight line in my opinion is malarky. I totally agree that the
> "factory" aircraft should take a back seat to the experimental side of the
> house after all that is the main drive of the show, to focus on the
> achievements of the experimental side of the hobby. I understand that the
> factory guys pay big bucks for prime real estate to show their products.
> However I see a trend from the EAA that disturbs me greatly and that is
> during the shows the Experimental guys are taking a back seat to the
> sponors that the EAA has signed with. I am all for trade show market (read
> fly in market/ flea market) if it has to do with aircraft and associated
> parts ans surplus. I do not want to buy a guitar during Oshkosh. If and
> when I get the new show on the road here are a few guidelines I would like
> to see implemented.
>
> 1. let people become members of the organization and if they subscribe
> during a "show week" and desire access to the flight line they pay extra
> for that priviledge.
> existing members do not pay.
>
> 2. factory aircraft are the back seat of the show. The experimental side
is
> the focus and the reason why we are there.
>
> 3. flying. Although I believe it is nice to have Shawn and Patty at an
> airshow I want more experimental aircraft in the air to display their
> achievements. Not neccesarily an aerobatic performance but a flyby by all
> those who have flown in and have a desire to show their aircrafts aspects
> to perspective builders.
>
> 4. not be restricted by sponsors, i.e. keep the grup fluid and allow for
> new ideas to emerge and be able to implement new ideas without
> restrictions.
>
> 5. members have a direct say in the organization not just a proxy vote.
but
> be able to interact with members and officers. Have a leadership body that
> is not family owned but owned by the members.
>
> These are just some of the preliminary thoughts and I have plenty more and
> am looking for new ideas and a way to implement a new group. I forsee this
> taking awhile to get off the gruond but if there are enough people
> interested I think it is viable.
>
> Regards
> Glenn Williams
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
Listers:
I'm not usually the promotional type, and I know I've harped on this before,
but I just feel like a lot of you folks are missing out on something. This
time I took some pictures to give a better idea.
The 99's Breakfast at El Paso West Texas Airport is FUN!
http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/WestTex.htm
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Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm
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--> RV-List message posted by: "KostaLewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
I crafted an article about camping at OSH last year. It's in the
archives. Message 99850, Apr 10, 2002. Randall Henderson actually sent
it to the archives. If you are interested, head to the search engine and
look it up.
See you there............
Michael
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on Glenn Williams ideas of a new organization |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
As I understand it, EAA is actually 3 organizations.
EAA that publishes the magazine gets its funds from Dues and supports GA and
Chapters.
AirVenture is another organizations that charges admission to the world
largest fly-in and is the convention for the above organization. It pays
for itself by charging admission. None of the EAA funds paid in our dues
goes to support AirVenture or the regional fly-ins.
EAA Aviation Foundation is the 3rd organization. It is a non-profit
organization that has the museum and owns the P-51 that Paul use to fly.
This is an over simplification of the legal organizations that we call EAA.
If I have any of the major facts wrong that can be put in more simple terms
without writing a book, please advise.
I believe that EAA has taken in other "Sport Aviation" interests to give it
more clout. The AB-DAR is a benefit that EAA has gotten for the Homebuilt
movement. With out getting some of the other Sport Aviation interests
together, EAA would not have had the clout for this and other legislative
efforts that are on going.
Tom's salary may be more than I make but for someone that is in-charge of an
organization the size of EAA, it would be higher in a commercial business of
the same size.
Gary A. Sobek
EAA Lifetime Member
AOPA Member
NRA Lifetime Member
CRPA Lifetime Member
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,285 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
Subject: RV-List: Thoughts on Glenn Williams ideas of a new organization
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
Do not archive
Has to do with homebuilders and building and not RVs.
One mans opinion on EAA and AOPA etc.
First, let me tell you where I am coming from. I got my pilot certificate
at 18 and flew about 200 hours while working at Piper Aircraft in Lock
Haven, PA. I went into the Air Force after college and flew F-4s and
OV-10s. After twenty years, I was asked to retire (one of those down-sizing
of the military periods). I didnt fly much (read that spam cans are dull)
but didnt want to stop flying. Took matters into my own hands and started
to build a RV-4. Before too far into the kit, the Harmon Rocket II came
along. Modified the tail a little and build the rest into a Rocket. I love
that plane.
Back to the main subject, I want to have at least one MAJOR organization,
which is looking out for the rights of the private pilots, local airports,
and general aviation.
The two I know of are the AOPA and the EAA. I am not a member of the AOPA
but from the outside looking in: their magazine covers general aviation
pretty good but I dont see much or almost nothing for the homebuilders. As
far as their lobby efforts go, I might rate them better than EAA.
Next the EAA, their magazine used to be very good at covering the homebuilt
and builders but lately, they seem to cover more of the high end kits which
are out of the reach of the average builder. While they have lobby efforts
too, I think the AOPA is more effective. WHAT I HATE ABOUT THE EAA, IS MY
PERCEPTION THAT MY DUES ARE USED BY PAUL AND TOM TO FLY P-51s AND OTHERWISE
LIVE LARGE. At the local level, I am a chapter president. The chapter
members volunteer their time, efforts, and money and receive nothing in
return except the knowledge that we worked hard to support general aviation.
I want the EAA to be a volunteer organization, where my dues are used to
support general aviation, and not pay large salaries, build large and fancy
offices, etc, etc.
I only have so many dollars I can put into aviation. I cant just throw
money at both organizations. I have to pick one. I will currently stay
with the EAA.
However, I have seen a couple of emails on this RV-List that have wanted to
start another organization. I will be watching as I am not happy with my
current choices. Sorry, I cant help with money at this time but let me
know if I can help in another way.
Tom Gummo
President EAA Chapter 768
Apple Valley, CA
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| Subject: | Home Wing RV Fly-In |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
Reminder:
This coming Saturday June 14 is the Twelfth Annual Home Wing Fly-In. Don't
miss it! For details go to www.vanshomewing.org.
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