Today's Message Index:
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1. 02:29 AM - Re: Redimple The Skin? (Bruce Swayze)
2. 02:37 AM - Re: Remembrance of 100th anniversary of flight (Mickey Coggins)
3. 05:26 AM - Re: Redimple The Skin? (Phil N)
4. 05:33 AM - Avery "flat" rivet set problem (Phil N)
5. 06:00 AM - Slider unlatched in flight (GreenoL)
6. 06:23 AM - Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to (a flyer)
7. 06:23 AM - Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to celebrate? (Scott Reichel)
8. 06:42 AM - Re: Slider unlatched in flight (Bob U.)
9. 06:48 AM - Headsets (Bill VonDane)
10. 07:22 AM - Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to celebrate? (glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com)
11. 07:36 AM - Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to (David E. Nelson)
12. 08:03 AM - Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today tocelebrate? (Chris Good)
13. 08:10 AM - Re: Slider unlatched in flight (Ed Anderson)
14. 08:14 AM - Re: vortex generators (Matt Jurotich)
15. 08:30 AM - Free Steamboat Condo... (Bill VonDane)
16. 08:49 AM - Futher Reflections (Wheeler North)
17. 08:50 AM - Re: vortex generators (Blanton Fortson)
18. 09:05 AM - TruTrak DFC Tray's (Ross Mickey)
19. 09:19 AM - Re: Dec. 17th 2003 100 years / What did you do today tocelebrate? (Greg Milner)
20. 09:23 AM - Re: vortex generators (Jim Oke)
21. 09:27 AM - Re: Free Steamboat Condo... (C. Rabaut)
22. 09:27 AM - Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to (Laird Owens)
23. 09:38 AM - Re: Futher Reflections (canopy pops) (kempthornes)
24. 09:48 AM - Re: Slider unlatched in flight (Bob)
25. 09:53 AM - Re: The next 100 years? WAS: What did you do today to (kempthornes)
26. 10:04 AM - more on: Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera (Bill VonDane)
27. 10:14 AM - Re: Headsets (Ross Mickey)
28. 10:16 AM - RV7 Electric elevator trim (Steve&Anita Nyman)
29. 10:30 AM - Re: more on: Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera (Gary Liming)
30. 10:35 AM - Pitot Tubes (Don Harker)
31. 10:46 AM - Re: vortex generators (David Carter)
32. 10:56 AM - Re: Headsets (Scott Bilinski)
33. 11:23 AM - Re: Hawaii (HCRV6@aol.com)
34. 11:23 AM - RV-6 / 6a kit for sale (Kuebler, Scott)
35. 11:24 AM - Re: Headsets (David E. Nelson)
36. 11:33 AM - Re: Pitot Tubes (Ross Mickey)
37. 11:46 AM - Re: To Cork or not to Cork? (HCRV6@aol.com)
38. 12:09 PM - Re: Slider unlatched in flight (Boyd Braem)
39. 12:35 PM - Re: Pitot Tubes (Andrew Barker)
40. 12:38 PM - Re: vortex generators (Boyd Braem)
41. 01:03 PM - Re: more on: Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera (Cammie Patch)
42. 01:12 PM - Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to celebrate? (Brian Denk)
43. 01:20 PM - 100th Anniversary of Fitst Flight (Stuart B McCurdy)
44. 01:29 PM - Re: To Cork or not to Cork? (Alex Peterson)
45. 01:32 PM - Re: Avery "flat" rivet set problem (Richard Tasker)
46. 01:43 PM - Re: To Cork or not to Cork? (Joe Forbes)
47. 02:05 PM - Re: Futher Reflections (canopy pops) (Jim Oke)
48. 02:11 PM - Re: Free Steamboat Condo... (Aircraft Technical Book Company)
49. 02:38 PM - Re: To Cork or not to Cork? (linn walters)
50. 03:00 PM - Re: Free Steamboat Condo... (C. Rabaut)
51. 03:01 PM - Re: vortex generators (Blanton Fortson)
52. 03:04 PM - Turn Coordinator (Michael D Hilger)
53. 03:12 PM - Re: To Cork or not to Cork? (kempthornes)
54. 03:35 PM - Re: Re: Dec. 17th 2003 100 years / What did you do today (Blanton Fortson)
55. 03:35 PM - Re: Free Steamboat Condo... (Bill VonDane)
56. 03:41 PM - Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to celebrate? (Michael D Hilger)
57. 03:57 PM - Re: To Cork or not to Cork? (Leesafur@aol.com)
58. 04:05 PM - Gas tank explosion hazard (Was: To Cork or not to Cork?) (Bill Dube)
59. 04:10 PM - Re: RV-List Digest: 56 Msgs - 12/17/03 (John Banks)
60. 04:59 PM - Re: more on: Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
61. 05:11 PM - Re: To Cork or not to Cork? (JOHN STARN)
62. 05:15 PM - Re: Free Steamboat Condo... (Aircraft Technical Book Company)
63. 06:05 PM - Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to celebrate? (Doug Rozendaal)
64. 06:23 PM - Re: Pitot Tubes (Wayne Reese)
65. 07:33 PM - Third World? (Mickey & Paula)
66. 07:52 PM - Re: Free Steamboat Condo... (Laird Owens)
67. 08:01 PM - Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to celebrate? (Curt Reimer)
68. 08:55 PM - Re: more on: Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera (Boyd Braem)
69. 09:15 PM - Re: more on: Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera (David Carter)
70. 09:35 PM - Re: Free Steamboat Condo... (Bill VonDane)
71. 10:48 PM - Dec 17th - The RV grin (Warren W Hurd)
72. 10:55 PM - Flight test reviews (Blanton Fortson)
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| Subject: | Redimple The Skin? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bruce Swayze <swayze@europa.com>
Speaking of the DRDT-1, have any of you guys had any experience with
it? I'm putting my shop tools together, and I'm considering one of these
tools instead of a C-frame. Any comments or input?
Thanks!
At 06:00 PM 12/9/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hassel" <bob@hassel-usa.com>
>
>This thread makes me really excited about my DRDT-1 frame that's on the back
>of a Fed Ex truck headed my way ( http://www.experimentalaero.com/ )!
>
>I've done most of my emp using the standard Avery frame. While it wasn't
>mounted I did have really straight skins and fairly consistent results -
>mostly my arms just wore out :o)
>
>Hence the new dimpling frame.
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| Subject: | Re: Remembrance of 100th anniversary of flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>...
>I've been shocked at how many folks in the office and out at lunch had no appreciation
for the 100th Anniv.celebration nor aviation in general. To them,it might
as well have been National John Deer Tractor day or something.
>
>But, considering the impact of aviation on our economy,our transportation,our
defense,our mobility, and our recreation, it has apparently lost much of its mystique
and appeal to this generation.
>
>Any ideas about what we can do to help motivate the next generation so they will
someday celebrate the 200th anniverary??
Hi Vern,
Actually, this is nothing more than a sign of the incredible
success that aviation enjoys. Those of us in the software
world strive to make systems that the users don't even know
or care are there. We have not gotten there yet, but we've
only been at it for 60 years or so, not 100!
I celebrated the 100th with a nice flight in our club
Cherokee over the Jura mountains here in western Switzerland.
Plenty of snow and cross country skiers to look at,
bright sunshine, and totally smooth air. Looking forward to
a little night VFR this evening!
--
Mickey Coggins
GSM: +41-79-210-3762
FAX: +41-86-079-210-3762
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007
Empennage complete, waiting for wings to arrive
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| Subject: | Redimple The Skin? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil N" <pnewlon@toosan.com>
Thanks to all of you guys that responded to my query. I thought that
there would be a definitive answer to my question, but alas that was not
to be. This could easily become the next "primer war" as there were
evenly split sides as to the structural integriy of a countersunk .032
skin. :-)
I just wanted to relay what I've learned from this.
- Whatever hammer you use, wear hearing protection. It may sound odd,
but I found I was hitting the dimpler softer when I didn't wear
protection - I guess subconsciously I was not liking the loud bang.
- I bought a dead blow plastic hammer (28oz). This solves the noise
problem, you still have to make sure your dimple is sharp (well formed)
though!
- Van's said that there "shouldn't be any problem structurally" with the
partially dimpled/finished with a deburring tool holes. I drilled out
the rivets that stood a little too proud and re-did them so that I
didn't have to shave them, the rest I left as they were.
- I used the Avery pop rivet dimpling tool to improve the dimples on the
ones that I could.
- The second skin will be completely redimpled and re-primed. Lesson
learned.
Phil
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| Subject: | Avery "flat" rivet set problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil N" <pnewlon@toosan.com>
I was having the WORST time with getting the shop head of my squeezed
rivets to not cleat as I squeezed them. I ended up using a gun on quite
a few rivets that should have been done with my rather expensive
squeezer. I finally called Avery and had a discussion with them about
it. It turns out that they had a run of flat sets that the guy who was
doing the finish polishing got a little aggressive about his duty. The
set, instead of being flat had a significant crown to it - thus if you
didn't get the rivet PERFECTLY in the center it would run down the hill
on the set. Let's just say that I am damn good at drilling out rivets
at this point in my RV career!
If you are having trouble that may sound like this, take the flat set
out of your squeezer, hold it up to the light and put the edge of a
steel scale on it. You will see a really bad crown to the set, instead
of it being flat.
Three days after my call, I had a brand new set - problem solved.
Phil
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| Subject: | Slider unlatched in flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: "GreenoL" <GreenoL@roberts.edu>
The other day I took off with my RV-6A canopy unlatched despite using the check-list.
Dumb, but it happened. The canopy was closed but not latched. It took
a few seconds to translate the cold air (New York State) draftiness to the problem.
Short strip; too late to cancel the takeoff. I immediately attempted
to close the canopy as second priority to flying the airplane at all costs.
I had a lot of concern that the canopy would tend to slide rearward and create
more problems. Once at altitude I attempted to slow the aircraft sufficient
to relieve pressure and close the canopy, to no avail. I continued in the pattern
and landed, only releasing a hold on the canopy handle when over the threshold.
No damage other than my pride. Doubt if it will happen again (once is
enough!), but figured other builder/flyers would appreciate the input. I cannot
say enough positive about the aircraft under these circumstances; flew beautifully,
the main challenge being flying with the right hand holding the canopy
latch handle. I felt no tendancy for the canopy to move rearward, despite my
concern that it would. Hope this helps!
Larry Greeno
N446A #24495
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| Subject: | Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to |
celebrate?
--> RV-List message posted by: a flyer <aflyer@direcway.com> celebrate?
> What did you do today to celebrate 100 years of powered flight?
>
> Don Eaves
> doneaves@midsouth.rr.com
> RV 6 Flying 200 + Hrs.
>
> Do Not Archive
Yesterday morning, 9 pilots of the Pagosa Springs pilot assn. flew two
4-ships (with one high cover photo and safety ship) over the runway, then
two passes over town. The weekly paper was holding the presses so we would
make today's edition. It won't be updated on the web 'til Monday, I'll send
a link then.
Orville flight - Lead, C-T210, #2, RV8 (your scribe), #3, RV4, slot, C-414.
Wilbure flight - Lead A36 Bonanza, #2 Piper Turbo Arrow, #3, C-182, slot
C-310
Thank you Wright Brothers !!!
John Huft
RV8, Pagosa Springs, CO
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to celebrate? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Reichel <scott.reichel@cctechnol.com>
I was originally hoping to have my private pilot check ride yesterday
(on the 17th) but instead had to settle for my first long solo
cross-country. Two and a half hours of cruising in severe clear made me
quite grateful to be flying even if it was in a spam-can. In fact, it
was so good, that I put in another 2.4 hours on my first night cross
country. If the day flight was good, then the night was simply awesome!
(My instructor was kinda pissed that it was so clear... he couldn't
get me lost. oops?)
Anyway, I thought it fitting that even though I wasn't able to get my
ticket on the 17th, at least it was a day of firsts for me.
-Scott
Suffering RV7 dreams... (soon to pass the suffering on to my wallet)
do not archive
Don Eaves wrote:
> What did you do today to celebrate 100 years of powered flight?
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| Subject: | Re: Slider unlatched in flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob U." <rv3@comcast.net>
GreenoL wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "GreenoL" <GreenoL@roberts.edu>
>
>The other day I took off with my RV-6A canopy unlatched despite using the check-list.
Dumb, but it happened. The canopy was closed but not latched. It took
a few seconds to translate the cold air (New York State) draftiness to the
problem. Short strip; too late to cancel the takeoff. I immediately attempted
to close the canopy as second priority to flying the airplane at all costs.
I had a lot of concern that the canopy would tend to slide rearward and create
more problems. Once at altitude I attempted to slow the aircraft sufficient
to relieve pressure and close the canopy, to no avail. I continued in the pattern
and landed, only releasing a hold on the canopy handle when over the threshold.
No damage other than my pride. Doubt if it will happen again (once is
enough!), but figured other builder/flyers would appreciate the input. I cannot
say enough positive about the aircraft under these circumstances; flew beautifully,
the main challenge being flying with the r!
>ight hand holding the canopy latch handle. I felt no tendancy for the canopy to
move rearward, despite my concern that it would. Hope this helps!
>
>Larry Greeno
>N446A #24495
>
===============================================
FWIW....
In flight pressure forces my RV-3 slider canopy nearly CLOSED.
Cannot open it more than an inch or two in flight.
Perhaps you have a similar condition or situation?
Bob
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vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Just an opinion...
I had the opportunity to fly with a friend of mine yesterday and wear one of the
new Lightspeed 3G headsets... I'm sorry to say that I didn't like them at all...
The weren't that comfortable and the noise canceling was disappointing...
The aircraft was a BD4 with a 180 C/S, It's a pretty loud aircraft, and the
noise canceling DID work, but it was still very loud...
I have a set of LS QFR Cross Country's and LOVE them! I should have taken a set
in the plane to compare, but didn't think about it... I have had other LS head
sets as well, and still don't think anything compares to the Cross Country's.
I think I am going to upgrade mine to the new CC2's pretty soon... my plane
is so quiet to me that I don't eve think about it, and have had many comments
from pax about how quiet it is...
For the money you cant beat them!
Lightspeed G3: $460
Lightspeed CC2: $275
-Bill VonDane
EAA Tech Counselor
RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
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| Subject: | Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to celebrate? |
12/18/2003 08:41:43 AM
--> RV-List message posted by: glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com
I worked in the used aircraft sales business. (my hobby is my job)
Glenn Williams
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to |
celebrate?
--> RV-List message posted by: "David E. Nelson" <david.nelson@pobox.com>
Myself and another flying buddy took a day off from work and rented two Pipers
from Gergetown, TX (KGTU) and flew over to Burnet, TX (KBMQ) to visit the
flying museum and make a donation. Great day to fly!!
/\/elson
Austin, TX
RV-7A - Emp
Don Eaves wrote:
> What did you do today to celebrate 100 years of powered flight?
--
~~ ** ~~ If you didn't learn anything when you broke it the 1st ~~ ** ~~
time, then break it again.
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| Subject: | Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today tocelebrate? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chris Good" <chrisjgood@lycos.com>
> What did you do today to celebrate 100 years of powered flight?
Took the day off work to celebrate. Got to the airport at 8am. First task was
to scrape a couple of inches of snow from in front of the hangar. Decided the
wheel pants needed to come off (another 'snow' thing).
Plan A was to be upside down at 9:35 (10:35 EST), but it was already 9:15 & the
ceiling was 1200. So switched to Plan B & timed our departure so that we lifted
off at exactly 9:35.
Flew a friend, Bruce, 110 miles northwest to Wausau to pick up the Cessna Cardinal
he had been forced to leave there at the weekend. Stayed VFR at 1000-1500
AGL - it's a good job Wisconsin is flat! Minimal braking effect on ice at Wausau.
The taildraggers were having a tough time taxiing, but no problem for the
6A.
Tops were reported at 3500-4500 with mixed reports of ice & no ice. Decided to
return IFR. After a couple of minutes in the clouds, broke out on top with a
clear blue sky & bright sunshine. Tailwind enabled 180 Kts ground speed at 65%
power at 7000 ft. Not bad without wheel pants. It doesn't get much better.
Both Minneapolis & Chicago Centers were particularly jovial. Vectored into
the clouds for the VOR 13 approach at West Bend & picked up a trace of ice -
maybe 1/8" on the leading edges. Broke out at 1200 AGL, circled to land 31.
By the time Bruce landed, the coffee was brewed. Our final task was to hang the
1/6 scale Wright Flyer model in our Chapter building. A group of us put in
more than 500 hrs constructing this model earlier in the year. It's been on display,
but we wanted to hang it on the centennial anniversary.
We've come long way in 100 years.
Chris Good, http://rv.supermatrix.com
West Bend, WI
RV-6A N86CG, 640 hrs in 3.5 yrs
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| Subject: | Re: Slider unlatched in flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
I had a similar experience with the "Tilt Up" canopy. Shortly after
lift-off there was a pop followed by a tremendous increase in noise level -
seat cushion severely distored. Quickly recognized what the problem was at
approx 110 MPH on climbout. Recalling the many admonizments to "fly the
aircraft" as first priority, I slowed to 85 MPH but continued to 3000 MSL.
There at around 75 mph, I attempted to pull the canopy shut (it was open
approx 3-4" at the roll bar end), even putting my full weight on the canopy
handle I could not quite get it down far enough for the Latch to engage.
Recalling a similar reported incident, I pull full flaps and sure enough it
releived sufficent pressure for me to get the canopy down and latched.
Lesson is the RV-6A will fly quite fine with the canopy open despite the
increased noise level. So as many before have stated, don't worry about the
canopy until you are at a safe altitude to worry about it or simply come
back around and land. I think if you keep the airspeed under 100 MPH and
keep a little increased pad for approach and landing speeds in case the air
distrubance does affect flow over the tail surfaces and you should be just
fine.
Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
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| Subject: | Re: vortex generators |
--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Jurotich <mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov>
Very interesting. Every VG kit I've been able to find just supplies wing
VGs. How does the increased elevator authority affect trim sensitivity
during landing? Any increase in elevator authority during cruise? Did you
use a kit or roll your own? Do you also have vertical stab VGs?
Thanks
--> RV-List message posted by: Blanton Fortson
<<mailto:blanton@alaska.net>blanton@alaska.net>
VG's on both sides of the VS may affect yaw qualities ... they may
create an effect like a "virtually" larger VS. I know the VG's on the
underside of my HS dramatically increased elevator authority as if the
HS and elevator were larger.
B.
Matthew M. Jurotich
NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Swales contractor to the
JWST ISIM Systems Engineer
m/c : 443
e-mail mail to: <mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov>
phone : 301-286-5919
fax : 301-286-1736
JWST URL: <http://ngst1.gsfc.nasa.gov
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| Subject: | Free Steamboat Condo... |
vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Sorry, this is not airplane related...
Ok, so I know this is short notice, but I have a 2br, 2ba condo at Steamboat Springs,
CO available next week, Saturday, December 20th thru Saturday, December
27th, and I am not going to be using it... I hired some company to lease/sell
it for me and they didn't do either, so...
If anyone is interested in using it, just let me know and I will give you the reservation
number and call them and give them your name...
It's FREE, but donations are welcome! :
) Let me know!
-Bill VonDane
EAA Tech Counselor
RV-8A ~ N8WV
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
719-540-1997 / 719-510-0854
do not archive
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| Subject: | Futher Reflections |
--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
I just wanted to add a few more reflections on my thoughts while my canopy
was flapping open in the breeze.
My first instinct when it happened was there is a problem, indentify it and
fix it. I immediately saw the canopy latch was repositioned so I went to
relatch it, and it hit me that now was not the time to be fully diagnosing
the problem when I still had the option to not fly. Since not flying was the
more conservative choice I redjusted my focus and aborted, while notifying
the guy behind me of the change in plans.
This goes back to the discussion of why we make choices. I often make
choices without really considering the criteria of why I made the choice.
This is normal and is often called an autonoimic decision. It saves huge
amounts of time. But in aviation one really must have a criteria for making
most of our choices. For me most things are a binary choice, either this or
that option. Sometimes there are more options in a given choice, but my
criteria is always, which is the most conservative, or safe of the group.
And I have found that I always know which is the safest of the options if I
take the time to study/think about the criteria.
By keeping this simple is was only a short second for me to realize that
aborting the take off was the safer option rather then trying to do
something else while taking off even though that was contrary to my
instincts once I thought I had indentified the problem.
Anyways food for thought.
W
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| Subject: | Re: vortex generators |
--> RV-List message posted by: Blanton Fortson <blanton@alaska.net>
Boyd, with many of the STC'd VG installations on light single general
aviation aircraft in addition to the VG's on the wing you will find
VG's on the underside of the horizontal stabilizer and on both sides of
the vertical stabilizer.
http://www.microaero.com/
As you become comfortable with the slower corner of the envelope, you
may find, depending upon ac type, that the VG's on the wing reduce or
eliminate what was formerly recognizable as a stall. You may find that
aileron authority remains quite good throughout the envelope. Think
about it, Boyd
In answer to your question, do VG's make up for "bad pilot skills", the
answer would have to be "sometimes, yes" in that VG's do save lives.
They save lives of good pilots and bad pilots alike. They are
impartial. They simply extend the envelope and make the corners much
more benign. My Cessna 206 (with too many wing mods to list here) had,
essentially, no stall speed or minimum controllable airspeed. There was
simply an equation... trade forward speed for sink ... dial it in
anyway you choose, very positive 3-axis controls throughout.
That gets us to the point you raise, "--unless you have a Lear jet, why
would you
need VGs on the tail?" ... we'll with the "safe" and slow operating
envelope potentially extended by those clever devices on the wings,
preventing laminar separation and giving those ailerons such delicious
bite, you wouldn't want to loose the opportunity to maintain rudder
and elevator effectiveness at that low speed corner, would you? I
wouldn't. I'd prefer to have very positive (aggressive?) elevator and
rudder authority throughout. That's what those VG's on the underside of
the horizontal and both sides of the elevator do. They prevent the
controls from getting mushy whether you are a good pilot or a bad
pilot! They don't discriminate.
VG's ... more bang for the buck safety and operational flexibility-wise
than any other mod in my experience.
BTW, you guys that like to do a lot of inverted and negative stuff...
have you noticed how some acro planes have VG's on both the upper and
lower surfaces of the wing's leading edge? (everywhere else, too, for
that matter!)
B.
http://homepage.mac.com/blanton
On Dec 17, 2003, at 10:29 PM, Boyd Braem wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>
> No, the VGs are on the wings--unless you have a Lear jet, why would you
> need VGs on the tail?
>
> Do VGs make up for bad pilot skills?
>
>
> On Thursday, December 18, 2003, at 01:35 AM, Blanton Fortson wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Blanton Fortson <blanton@alaska.net>
>>
>> VG's on both sides of the VS may affect yaw qualities ... they may
>> create an effect like a "virtually" larger VS. I know the VG's on the
>> underside of my HS dramatically increased elevator authority as if the
>> HS and elevator were larger.
>>
>> B.
>>
>>
>> On Dec 17, 2003, at 6:01 PM, Boyd Braem wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>>>
>>> I did. You first put them on with tape on the wings. The VGs don't
>>> make any change in the turbulence yaw (that's a rudder/VS
>>> thing)--unless you're going to fly at 60 KIAS, all the time.
>>>
>>> Boyd.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 05:05 PM, John wrote:
>>>
>>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea why it SEEMS to make some difference in yaw
>>>> reduction.
>>>> The
>>>> whole thing is a subjective feeling. The only rough and ready 'test'
>>>> I
>>>> could
>>>> concieve of is to have to fairly identical RV's fly together in the
>>>> same
>>>> conditions and see what difference there is. Unfortunately it isn't
>>>> practical to fly the single plane with the vortex generators and
>>>> then
>>>> without in the same conditions...to awkward and conditions change
>>>> too
>>>> fast.
>>>> Someone else had suggested they noticed a yaw reduction with their
>>>> vortex
>>>> generators; I had rather forgoten about it until I was getting
>>>> kicked
>>>> around
>>>> so much today, and it occured to me how the yaw that I used to see
>>>> just
>>>> wasn't there. Obviously one flight does not a conclusion make, but
>>>> there's
>>>> something going on.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _-
>>>> ====================================================================
>>>> >>>>>>>>> _-> _-
>>>> ====================================================================
>>>> >>>>>>>>> _-
>>>> ====================================================================
>>>> >>>>>>>>> _-
>>>> ====================================================================
>>>> >>>>>>>>> _-
>>>> ====================================================================
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Boyd.
>>> RV-Super 6
>>> Venice, FL
>>>
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>> _-
>>> =====================================================================
>>> >>>>> _-> _-
>>> =====================================================================
>>> >>>>> _-
>>> =====================================================================
>>> >>>>> _-
>>> =====================================================================
>>> >>>>> _-
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>>> >>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> _-
>> ======================================================================
>> >> _-> _-
>> ======================================================================
>> >> _-
>> ======================================================================
>> >> _-
>> ======================================================================
>> >> _-
>> ======================================================================
>> >>>
>>
>>
> Boyd.
> RV-Super 6
> Venice, FL
>
> do not archive
>
>
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
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> _-
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> >
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>
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| Subject: | TruTrak DFC Tray's |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" <rmickey@ix.netcom.com>
I have been troubleshooting an intermittent problem with my TruTrak DFC250
autopilot. It is the one in the standard avionics tray. In talking with
Jim Yonkin, I found out that two years ago they determined that the trays
they were using were very slightly to long which could lead to the contacts
not fully seating. This is the first I had heard about it and pass it along
for any of you with older DFC trays.
Ross Mickey
N9PT
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| Subject: | Re: Dec. 17th 2003 100 years / What did you do today tocelebrate? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Milner" <tldrgred@execpc.com>
>taidraggers were having a tough time taxiing but the 6a had no problem<
I`ve been flying taildraggers in the midwest for 6yrs. and don`t see noserollers
having any advantage. What do they fly in Alaska? Taildraggers rule there.
Greg Milner
RV-4 79KM
Waukesha,Wi. UES
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| Subject: | Re: vortex generators |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
When landing a conventionally configured aircraft, especially with the wing
flaps extended, a lot of "aft stick" is needed to overcome the nose down
pitching moment that slow flight requires plus even more to rotate the nose
upwards to flare the aircraft before touchdown.
Aft stick means the trailing edge of the elevator moves up so the tail
surface becomes a curved, cambered surface producing lift in the downwards
sense. (Think of an upside down wing with the flaps extended.) Anything that
can be done to improve the lifting characteristics of the tailplane-elevator
combination, such as turbulators that will help keep the airflow attached on
the underside of the tail, will provide more downward lift which the pilot
sees as more "nose up" pitch authority when landing.
Turbulators are one method. I recall seeing some aircraft with a reverse
slotted horizontal tail leading edge in the past (one of the higher
performance Cessna singles possibly) that accomplish the same thing. A
British aircraft called the Buccaneer used blowing boundary layer control on
the tailplane to get acceptable landing characteristics for aircraft carrier
use at the cost of considerable plumbing complexity but it worked.
Similar theory would apply to vertical stab turbulators that should provide
better lift characteristics to the fin-rudder combination that provide
restoring forces to yawing motions and so (perhaps) better yaw stability to
the aircraft.
Lots more pilot oriented aerodynamics at http://www.av8n.com/how/
Jim Oke
Wpg., MB
RV-3
RV-6A
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Jurotich" <mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: RV-List: vortex generators
> --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Jurotich <mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov>
>
>
> Very interesting. Every VG kit I've been able to find just supplies wing
> VGs. How does the increased elevator authority affect trim sensitivity
> during landing? Any increase in elevator authority during cruise? Did
you
> use a kit or roll your own? Do you also have vertical stab VGs?
>
> Thanks
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Blanton Fortson
> <<mailto:blanton@alaska.net>blanton@alaska.net>
>
> VG's on both sides of the VS may affect yaw qualities ... they may
> create an effect like a "virtually" larger VS. I know the VG's on
the
> underside of my HS dramatically increased elevator authority as if
the
> HS and elevator were larger.
>
> B.
>
>
> Matthew M. Jurotich
>
> NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
> Swales contractor to the
> JWST ISIM Systems Engineer
>
> m/c : 443
> e-mail mail to: <mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov>
> phone : 301-286-5919
> fax : 301-286-1736
>
>
> JWST URL: <http://ngst1.gsfc.nasa.gov
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Free Steamboat Condo... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Thank you Bill, you are sooo GENEROUS.
I will be happy to take it... I just need you to do a "few" additional
things for me.
#1. Please call my boss (Chief John Gomes 559-935-152?). Gently explain
to him that I have been called away on a family emergency of some sort (I
don't know what kind, just make something up & make it dramatic!).
#2. Please call the airlines (the commercial folks) and get 2 tickets,
round trip from Fresno to Steamboat Springs; for my wife & youngest Sun.
Me & my oldest Sun will take my RV-4 (see I'm saving you some money, isn't
that thoughtful of me?).
#3. Please call a ski-shop in Steamboat Springs (no... I don't know "what"
ski-shop! I've never been to Steamboat Springs; Any ski-shop is FINE...)
and rent 4 sets of skis and 2 sets of snowboarding equipment (me & my Suns
wanta try snow boarding too).
#4. Please call a nice hotel & make arrangements for a "Mr. & Mrs. Smith"
for any 2 nights they have available. Then call a local Escort Service...
now this is important, I like blondes but a red head will do in a pinch!
But no more brunettes! (Don't ask!).
#5. I'll send you the rest of my list later...
Thanks again for being sooo Generous! And take care,
Chuck
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
<vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RV-List: Free Steamboat Condo...
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>
> Sorry, this is not airplane related...
>
> Ok, so I know this is short notice, but I have a 2br, 2ba condo at
Steamboat Springs, CO available next week, Saturday, December 20th thru
Saturday, December 27th, and I am not going to be using it... I hired some
company to lease/sell it for me and they didn't do either, so...
>
> If anyone is interested in using it, just let me know and I will give you
the reservation number and call them and give them your name...
>
> It's FREE, but donations are welcome! :
> ) Let me know!
>
> -Bill VonDane
> EAA Tech Counselor
> RV-8A ~ N8WV
> www.vondane.com
> www.creativair.com
> www.epanelbuilder.com
> 719-540-1997 / 719-510-0854
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to |
celebrate?
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com> celebrate?
The SoCal group had a good day. We got 10 RV's together, formed two
flights of four, and two solos trailing. We did flyovers at 10
airports. Got some nice comments from controllers (and one not so
nice...)
We ended up at Mojave. We got there too late to see Rutan's rocket,
but Burt was in the Cafe, all smiles.
One of our RVer's (Trish) is a school teacher and arranged to have us
overflew her school in the Lake Arrowhead area (very close to the
recent forest fires). You could hear the kids screaming in the
background when she was transmitting to us from the ground. The even
announced it over the school PA, so we had something like 400 kids
watching us go over. Hopefully that will spark some of them.
The day started with a take off at 7:30, and a roll at 7:35. The day
ended up at Trish's hangar for a BBQ. Think I put 4 hours on the RV
:-)
It was a Good Day.
Happy Holidays, everyone.
Laird RV-6
SoCal
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| Subject: | Re: Futher Reflections (canopy pops) |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
I was reading just yesterday but I forgot the acronym already. What I took
away from it was a four step routine when problems arise. I think it went
like this:
Continue to fly the airplane
Analyze the situation
Take action
Land
They made the obvious but apparently often overlooked point that it is
easier and safer to resolve problems while on the ground.
AOPA Pilot I believe. With some strange (erroneous?) pie charts.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK - Three trips to OSH now.
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: Slider unlatched in flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob <panamared2@brier.net>
I too have flown without latching the slider canopy. No problem, flew once
for about 10 minutes to get to a better airfield for landing.
I could not get the canopy latched in flight, but I wonder, can it be
opened in flight for the purpose of bailing out? Using a parachute for
acrobatics is of little use, If I can not get the canopy open. Any
experiences out there?
Bob
RV6 NightFighter
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| Subject: | Re: The next 100 years? WAS: What did you do today to |
celebrate?
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net> celebrate?
At 09:59 AM 12/18/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Chris Good" <chrisjgood@lycos.com>
Hi Chris and all,
>We've come long way in 100 years.
You are right about that.
I flew my Debonair which I seem unable to sell. My Rv6a has no panel as it
is getting updated for IFR.
As I prepare to order my Dynon EFIS and a Trio autopilot, I wonder just how
far will we go in the next 100 years?
I suppose it is inevitable - the pilot will be a chip. We will get in,
touch in our destination and go. The Plasmatron engine will whisk us along
at several times the speed of sound.
Today we are free - while some men travel to the moon, others ride horses
for the fun of it.
I landed just before a beautiful sunset.
The Debonair is for sale see it at www.moonrovers.com
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK - Three trips to OSH now.
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | more on: Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera |
vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
I'm back on this subject... Earlier in the year I bought a HI8 video
camera. A Sony TRV318... It's a nice camera, and had all the features I
wanted (or thought I wanted), including a good price...but I see that it
doesn't have an audio in jack!
Can anyone tell me about any cameras that do have this feature? I am
probably going to get a new one and then sell mine...
Thanks!!
-Bill VonDane
EAA Tech Counselor
RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" <rmickey@ix.netcom.com>
Bill,
The best deal I have found on these is at Avionicswest.com for $270 and
11.67 shipping. Do you have a better source?
Ross Mickey
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
<vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RV-List: Headsets
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>
> Just an opinion...
>
> I had the opportunity to fly with a friend of mine yesterday and wear one
of the new Lightspeed 3G headsets... I'm sorry to say that I didn't like
them at all... The weren't that comfortable and the noise canceling was
disappointing... The aircraft was a BD4 with a 180 C/S, It's a pretty loud
aircraft, and the noise canceling DID work, but it was still very loud...
>
> I have a set of LS QFR Cross Country's and LOVE them! I should have taken
a set in the plane to compare, but didn't think about it... I have had
other LS head sets as well, and still don't think anything compares to the
Cross Country's. I think I am going to upgrade mine to the new CC2's pretty
soon... my plane is so quiet to me that I don't eve think about it, and
have had many comments from pax about how quiet it is...
>
> For the money you cant beat them!
>
> Lightspeed G3: $460
> Lightspeed CC2: $275
>
> -Bill VonDane
> EAA Tech Counselor
> RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs
> www.vondane.com
> www.creativair.com
> www.epanelbuilder.com
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| Subject: | RV7 Electric elevator trim |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve&Anita Nyman" <nyman@bellsouth.net>
It's been awhile since I installed the trim motor and I can't remember exactly
how came up with the length of the rod. My rod is 2 1/8" plus the distance on
each end that it is screwed in to the clevis. Hope that helps.
Steve Nyman
RV7QB
MEM
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| Subject: | Re: more on: Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Liming <gary@liming.org>
At 11:01 AM 12/18/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>
>I'm back on this subject... Earlier in the year I bought a HI8 video
>camera. A Sony TRV318... It's a nice camera, and had all the features I
>wanted (or thought I wanted), including a good price...but I see that it
>doesn't have an audio in jack!
>
>Can anyone tell me about any cameras that do have this feature? I am
>probably going to get a new one and then sell mine...
>
>Thanks!!
Hi Bill,
Many of these cameras (don't know specifically about yours) use the same
audio and video out jacks for audio and video in during recording. Check
the camera manual or their website before going to something different. In
fact, almost zero cameras have a separate audio in jack that I've been able
to find.
Gary Liming
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Don Harker" <dpharker@worldnet.att.net>
Working on RV-7 Wings with a Gertz heated pitot tube (one bay outboard tie
down) and plan on installing a DigiTrack autopilot (servo gets in way). All
this requires running the pitot tubes (static/dynamic) some other way. I am
thinking about "pie-panning" (covering up) for lack of a better word, the
second lightening holes aft of the spar to hold the snap bushings for the
pitot tubes. Anyone done this or have a better suggestion?
Thanks. Happy Holidays
Don Harker
Gurnee ,IL
RV-7A Wings
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| Subject: | Re: vortex generators |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
Nice post, Blanton - polite, to the point, good details, "unflappable".
Just the way I'd like to be. You and "lectric Bob are really good in that
respect.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
David Carter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Blanton Fortson" <blanton@alaska.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: vortex generators
> --> RV-List message posted by: Blanton Fortson <blanton@alaska.net>
>
> Boyd, with many of the STC'd VG installations on light single general
> aviation aircraft in addition to the VG's on the wing you will find
> VG's on the underside of the horizontal stabilizer and on both sides of
> the vertical stabilizer.
>
> http://www.microaero.com/
>
> As you become comfortable with the slower corner of the envelope, you
> may find, depending upon ac type, that the VG's on the wing reduce or
> eliminate what was formerly recognizable as a stall. You may find that
> aileron authority remains quite good throughout the envelope. Think
> about it, Boyd
>
> In answer to your question, do VG's make up for "bad pilot skills", the
> answer would have to be "sometimes, yes" in that VG's do save lives.
> They save lives of good pilots and bad pilots alike. They are
> impartial. They simply extend the envelope and make the corners much
> more benign. <snip>?
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--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Dont forget about ACS, they will beat any price. They will beat the out of
state internet prices too. Earlier this month I bought a GPS. Found the
cheapest price on the Net but still $15 more than ACS. Since I live in
California the ACS spruce price would be more after adding the 8% tax. I
called ACS told them I want to by the GPS for their competitors price ($15
more than ACS) but with no tax. They dropped the price, so that after
adding tax they beat the out of state internet price by $1.00! You cant
beat that!
At 10:11 AM 12/18/03 -0800, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" <rmickey@ix.netcom.com>
>
>Bill,
>
>The best deal I have found on these is at Avionicswest.com for $270 and
>11.67 shipping. Do you have a better source?
>
>Ross Mickey
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rv8list@yahoogroups.com>; "vansairforce"
><vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Headsets
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>>
>> Just an opinion...
>>
>> I had the opportunity to fly with a friend of mine yesterday and wear one
>of the new Lightspeed 3G headsets... I'm sorry to say that I didn't like
>them at all... The weren't that comfortable and the noise canceling was
>disappointing... The aircraft was a BD4 with a 180 C/S, It's a pretty loud
>aircraft, and the noise canceling DID work, but it was still very loud...
>>
>> I have a set of LS QFR Cross Country's and LOVE them! I should have taken
>a set in the plane to compare, but didn't think about it... I have had
>other LS head sets as well, and still don't think anything compares to the
>Cross Country's. I think I am going to upgrade mine to the new CC2's pretty
>soon... my plane is so quiet to me that I don't eve think about it, and
>have had many comments from pax about how quiet it is...
>>
>> For the money you cant beat them!
>>
>> Lightspeed G3: $460
>> Lightspeed CC2: $275
>>
>> -Bill VonDane
>> EAA Tech Counselor
>> RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs
>> www.vondane.com
>> www.creativair.com
>> www.epanelbuilder.com
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
Thanks Dan, good heads up for future reference.
Do not archive
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, firewall forward
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| Subject: | RV-6 / 6a kit for sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kuebler, Scott" <skuebler@CANNONDESIGN.COM>
RV-6 / 6a kit for sale.
Empennage: Complete except for fiberglass tips. Includes electric elevator trim
kit. All parts are alodined and primed with Marhyde primer.
Wings & Phlogiston Spar: Both skeletons assembled. All skins drilled to both
wings, ready for final riveting. Flaps and ailerons complete, but not fitted.
Both tanks are complete and sealed. Includes electric aileron trim kit. All
parts are alodined and primed with Deft epoxy primer (Mil-P-23377G).
Both kits are the pre-punched versions purchased in 1997 & 1998 by myself. Construction
is excellent. Preview plans and Orndorff videos are included for both
kits.
Price: $4750
If all items were purchased separately the price would be more than $6500 for unassembled
kits. The tools are not for sale; I will be keeping them to guarantee
that I will build another RV in the near future!
Happy Holidays,
Scott Kuebler
Buffalo, NY
716-695-1987 home
716-510-0318 cell
skuebler@cannondesign.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: "David E. Nelson" <david.nelson@pobox.com>
Hi Ross,
$269.95 w/ free shipping from:
http://www.flightessentials.net/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=548
I just purchased a Lightspeed 20XL2 w/ free shipping from these folks and it
showed up three days later in Austin, TX.
Regards,
/\/elson
Austin, TX
RV-7A - Emp
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Ross Mickey wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" <rmickey@ix.netcom.com>
>
> Bill,
>
> The best deal I have found on these is at Avionicswest.com for $270 and
> 11.67 shipping. Do you have a better source?
>
> Ross Mickey
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rv8list@yahoogroups.com>; "vansairforce"
> <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Headsets
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
> >
> > Just an opinion...
> >
> > I had the opportunity to fly with a friend of mine yesterday and wear one
> of the new Lightspeed 3G headsets... I'm sorry to say that I didn't like
> them at all... The weren't that comfortable and the noise canceling was
> disappointing... The aircraft was a BD4 with a 180 C/S, It's a pretty loud
> aircraft, and the noise canceling DID work, but it was still very loud...
> >
> > I have a set of LS QFR Cross Country's and LOVE them! I should have taken
> a set in the plane to compare, but didn't think about it... I have had
> other LS head sets as well, and still don't think anything compares to the
> Cross Country's. I think I am going to upgrade mine to the new CC2's pretty
> soon... my plane is so quiet to me that I don't eve think about it, and
> have had many comments from pax about how quiet it is...
> >
> > For the money you cant beat them!
> >
> > Lightspeed G3: $460
> > Lightspeed CC2: $275
> >
> > -Bill VonDane
> > EAA Tech Counselor
> > RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs
> > www.vondane.com
> > www.creativair.com
> > www.epanelbuilder.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
~~ ** ~~ If you didn't learn anything when you broke it the 1st ~~ ** ~~
time, then break it again.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" <rmickey@ix.netcom.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Harker" <dpharker@worldnet.att.net>
> Working on RV-7 Wings with a Gertz heated pitot tube (one bay outboard tie
> down) and plan on installing a DigiTrack autopilot (servo gets in way).
All
> this requires running the pitot tubes (static/dynamic) some other way. I
am
> thinking about "pie-panning" (covering up) for lack of a better word, the
> second lightening holes aft of the spar to hold the snap bushings for the
> pitot tubes. Anyone done this or have a better suggestion?
> Thanks. Happy Holidays
I installed a Piper style P/S just outboard of the access panel and was also
able to install the TruTrak servo. The P/S is aft of the servo. I cut a
new access panel behind the servo so I could access the D sub connector
without removing the servo.
Ross Mickey
RV6A
N9PT
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| Subject: | Re: To Cork or not to Cork? |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
In a message dated 12/17/03 6:22:15 AM Pacific Standard Time,
winterland@rkymtnhi.com writes:
<< If you ever need to remove the cover plates, just take a small propane
torch and lightly heat the pro-seal. >>
No flame intended, but having witnessed several "empty" fuel tank explosions,
this seems pretty high risk to me.
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, firewall forward
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| Subject: | Re: Slider unlatched in flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
I have flown my -6 with the slider canopy intentionally open, "just to
find out..." It acts like a big air brake and you need more power and
forward stick. Below 80 KIAS it seemed fairly easy to close and latch
the canopy, tho don't have any maps or paper in the cockpit.
Boyd.
On Thursday, December 18, 2003, at 01:47 PM, Bob wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bob <panamared2@brier.net>
>
> I too have flown without latching the slider canopy. No problem, flew
> once
> for about 10 minutes to get to a better airfield for landing.
>
> I could not get the canopy latched in flight, but I wonder, can it be
> opened in flight for the purpose of bailing out? Using a parachute for
> acrobatics is of little use, If I can not get the canopy open. Any
> experiences out there?
>
> Bob
> RV6 NightFighter
>
>
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> >
>
>
Boyd.
RV-Super 6
Venice, FL
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Andrew Barker" <Andrew@trutrakap.com>
The TruTrak servo can be mounted in either wing, so that you do not have to
worry about it getting in the way.
Andrew Barker
TruTrak Flight Systems
479-751-0250
www.trutrakap.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ross Mickey" <rmickey@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Pitot Tubes
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" <rmickey@ix.netcom.com>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Harker" <dpharker@worldnet.att.net>
> > Working on RV-7 Wings with a Gertz heated pitot tube (one bay outboard
tie
> > down) and plan on installing a DigiTrack autopilot (servo gets in way).
> All
> > this requires running the pitot tubes (static/dynamic) some other way.
I
> am
> > thinking about "pie-panning" (covering up) for lack of a better word,
the
> > second lightening holes aft of the spar to hold the snap bushings for
the
> > pitot tubes. Anyone done this or have a better suggestion?
> > Thanks. Happy Holidays
>
> I installed a Piper style P/S just outboard of the access panel and was
also
> able to install the TruTrak servo. The P/S is aft of the servo. I cut a
> new access panel behind the servo so I could access the D sub connector
> without removing the servo.
>
> Ross Mickey
> RV6A
> N9PT
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: vortex generators |
--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
The Buccaneer S.2B is an unusual plane. I got some time in one from 12
Squadron, RAF Lossiemouth after spending a bunch of time putting the
pilot's fingers back together when his GIB closed the canopy on his
hand--those silly Scots. Tho, they throw some great parties.
Boyd.
On Thursday, December 18, 2003, at 12:12 PM, Jim Oke wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
>
> A
> British aircraft called the Buccaneer used blowing boundary layer
> control on
> the tailplane to get acceptable landing characteristics for aircraft
> carrier
> use at the cost of considerable plumbing complexity but it worked.
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| Subject: | more on: Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cammie Patch" <cammie@sunvalley.net>
I've spent a lot of time researching cameras lately. My final choice is the
Canon Optura 300, but it sell for around $1000. I really like the Canon line
though, and the ZR70 also looks like a great camera. I believe they all have
an audio out, but double check first.
cammie
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-----Original Message-----
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
I'm back on this subject... Earlier in the year I bought a HI8 video
camera. A Sony TRV318... It's a nice camera, and had all the features I
wanted (or thought I wanted), including a good price...but I see that it
doesn't have an audio in jack!
Can anyone tell me about any cameras that do have this feature? I am
probably going to get a new one and then sell mine...
Thanks!!
-Bill VonDane
EAA Tech Counselor
RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
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| Subject: | Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to celebrate? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:24:27 -0800
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
>celebrate?
>
>The SoCal group had a good day. We got 10 RV's together, formed two
>flights of four, and two solos trailing. We did flyovers at 10
>airports. Got some nice comments from controllers (and one not so
>nice...)
>
>We ended up at Mojave. We got there too late to see Rutan's rocket,
>but Burt was in the Cafe, all smiles.
>
>One of our RVer's (Trish) is a school teacher and arranged to have us
>overflew her school in the Lake Arrowhead area (very close to the
>recent forest fires). You could hear the kids screaming in the
>background when she was transmitting to us from the ground. The even
>announced it over the school PA, so we had something like 400 kids
>watching us go over. Hopefully that will spark some of them.
>
>The day started with a take off at 7:30, and a roll at 7:35. The day
>ended up at Trish's hangar for a BBQ. Think I put 4 hours on the RV
>:-)
>
>It was a Good Day.
>
>Happy Holidays, everyone.
>
>Laird RV-6
>SoCal
Birdman,
You SoCal cats sure know how to party! I went solo, but also had a really
sweet centennial flight. My dad's birthday is also Dec 17. So, off I went
in 94BD to Mesa. Az to say HI, have lunch, and apply an RV grin to "da
kid's" face. As I walked out to my plane after the obligatory pee and swig
of coffee, I saw a local Pitt's driver buddy warming up his Lycosaur. "Are
you here for the same reason I am?" He asked. "Hell yeah! 0835 we take Rwy
22 and salute the boys from Dayton" was my reply.
We did so. Off we went, and formed up on upwind. Man, you have to throttle
Waaaaaaay back to stay tight on a fixed pitch S1S! After a wing wag and a
snappy salute, he rolled over and split-s'ed back towards the airport as I
throttled up for cruise to Mesa. What a glorious day...severe clear, syrupy
smooth air, and showing 195mph groundspeed. Nirvana folks, NIRVANA. An
hour and 45 and I was rolling out on rwy 4R at Falcon Field. Parked at
Anzios restaurant (very nice place I might add) and waited for Pop to show
up. He did, we ate, we laughed, we took pics, then we went to the CAF
Arizona Wing museum. Awesome! The B-17G "Sentimental Journey" was
undergoing year-end refurb and overhaul. I refreshed my memory banks from my
flight in her back in '95. I'll never forget it...especially the time in
the left seat.
The grey haired CAF'ers were doing their usual fabulous job of tweaking,
cleaning, wrenching and polishing. (What WILL WE DO when they're gone?) In
the background was heard Glenn Miller tunes to add to the scene. The SNJ5
was stripped for rewire and gear work. The B-25 is looking great and should
be airworthy soon. I almost wish I could jump ahead to retirement so I can
do this kind of work for free, and immerse myself in "the greatest
generation".
All this I owe to two dreamers from Ohio, and grampa Van. You see, I have
adopted him as my grandpa. Our first born was not my son Skyler, but my
RV8! The next addition to the family will be the RV10. True to form these
days, babies just keep getting bigger!
Peace, folks. Go fly, share your love of flight with others, and don't
forget what it took to make this all possible.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 51
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| Subject: | 100th Anniversary of Fitst Flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: Stuart B McCurdy <sturdy@att.net>
Dec 17 started out cold (below freezing) in the Austin area, but quickly
began to warm, actually and figuratively, with bright blue skies and
nearly calm winds. After telephone and email coordinating with about 25
pilots, Falcon Flight taxied out for runup and waited until 0934 CST. I
then called onto RWY18 at Georgetown for the formation, and at 0935 CST
(100 years after the Wright Bros 1035 EST takeoff at Kitty Hawk) began a
formation takeoff, making a radio call "Falcon Flight is taking off to
celebrate the 100th year of the Wright Bros first flight".
After takeoff, we joined up with three others coming from the north,
rendezvoused with another pilot over another field, and proceeded as a
7-ship to San Marcos. After TV interviews planeside, I briefed the 25
pilots gathered to participate in the flyover. We started engines on a
time hack and taxied out as Centennial Flight consisting of Falcon
Flight of 12, Bonanza Flight of 6, Warbird Flight of 4, Singles Flight
of 4 in trail, and a photo aircraft. After formation takeoffs and a
large circular overhead joinup, Centennial Flight proceeded on course
with Austin Approach monitoring.
Falcon Flight of 12 (10 RVs, a Mustang II, and a T-18) configured into
the shape of a canard airplane to represent the Wright Flyer (see
picture), Bonanza Flight of 6 took a mile spacing and fell into a Delta
configuration, Warbird Flight of 4 (a T-6, T-34, and 2 Yaks) took a
Diamond shape, and Singles Flight (C-177, Skybolt, L-4, and L-5)
followed in a spaced out trail. The Arrow photo airplane flew along
side with the TV videographer.
Centennial Flight flew to the IP and then the Capitol, making the 1235
TOT exactly. A crowd of government officials, TV station and newspaper
photographers, families, and the public viewed the flyover and it made
all 4 TV station evening news broadcasts and the morning Austin
American-Statesman front page, second section. Centennial Flight
proceeded north for another 10 miles before splitting up and heading
back to our home dromes with a sense that we had well celebrated the
100th Anniversary of the first flight. An email debrief of the
formation followed.
Stu McCurdy
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| Subject: | To Cork or not to Cork? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
> << If you ever need to remove the cover plates, just take a
> small propane
> torch and lightly heat the pro-seal. >>
>
> No flame intended, but having witnessed several "empty" fuel
> tank explosions,
> this seems pretty high risk to me.
One time, when I was much younger, I decided that I would braze a leaky
fuel tank on an old car. I had heard that filling it almost up with
water would do the trick. So, with the tank off the car, I filled it
almost completely with water, capped it, and turned it so that the tiny
air space was at the proposed brazing area. About four seconds after I
put the torch to the tank seam, I heard and felt a bang. Yup, all I can
say was I'm glad that the whole thing wasn't empty. Never did get the
darn thing brazed, used epoxy instead.
If one needs to heat the proseal, use a hair dryer or something else.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 424 hours
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
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| Subject: | Re: Avery "flat" rivet set problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
What is a "significant crown"? My flat sets are not flat. I thought
that they had to have some crown or there would be a significant chance
of marking the skin with the edge of the die.
Dick Tasker, 90573
Fuselage
Phil N wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil N" <pnewlon@toosan.com>
>
>I was having the WORST time with getting the shop head of my squeezed
>rivets to not cleat as I squeezed them. I ended up using a gun on quite
>a few rivets that should have been done with my rather expensive
>squeezer. I finally called Avery and had a discussion with them about
>it. It turns out that they had a run of flat sets that the guy who was
>doing the finish polishing got a little aggressive about his duty. The
>set, instead of being flat had a significant crown to it - thus if you
>didn't get the rivet PERFECTLY in the center it would run down the hill
>on the set. Let's just say that I am damn good at drilling out rivets
>at this point in my RV career!
>
>If you are having trouble that may sound like this, take the flat set
>out of your squeezer, hold it up to the light and put the edge of a
>steel scale on it. You will see a really bad crown to the set, instead
>of it being flat.
>
>Three days after my call, I had a brand new set - problem solved.
>
>Phil
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: To Cork or not to Cork? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Joe Forbes <joefrb59@netscape.net>
No flame taken. Why not use a heat gun?
HCRV6@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 12/17/03 6:22:15 AM Pacific Standard Time,
>winterland@rkymtnhi.com writes:
>
><< If you ever need to remove the cover plates, just take a small propane
>torch and lightly heat the pro-seal. >>
>
>No flame intended, but having witnessed several "empty" fuel tank explosions,
>this seems pretty high risk to me.
>
>Harry Crosby
>Pleasanton, California
>RV-6, firewall forward
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Futher Reflections (canopy pops) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
The Canadian glider pilot instruction manual uses the word S.O.A.R. which
stands for:
Situation - recognize what's wrong and what the likely result will be if no
action is taken.
Options - look for practical options to correct what's wrong and select the
best one
Action - put the selected course of action into effect
Reassess - to see if the situation is getting better, if yes continue what
you're doing, if no go back to S and repeat the process.
SOAR is a nice catchy word for glider pilots but the basic philosophy seems
sound for most segments of aviation.
Jim Oke
Wpg, MB
RV-3, RV-6A, ASW-20
----- Original Message -----
From: "kempthornes" <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Futher Reflections (canopy pops)
> --> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
>
> I was reading just yesterday but I forgot the acronym already. What I
took
> away from it was a four step routine when problems arise. I think it went
> like this:
>
> Continue to fly the airplane
>
> Analyze the situation
>
> Take action
>
> Land
>
> They made the obvious but apparently often overlooked point that it is
> easier and safer to resolve problems while on the ground.
>
> AOPA Pilot I believe. With some strange (erroneous?) pie charts.
>
>
> K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
> RV6-a N7HK - Three trips to OSH now.
> PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Free Steamboat Condo... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
Sorry Chuck, but Steamboat is known for its brunettes. Got some nice cliffs
to launch from too - if you know where to find them. Too bad. I guess Bill
will have to give his condo to someone else.
Andy
Winter Park, CO
----- Original Message -----
From: C. Rabaut <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Free Steamboat Condo...
> --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> Thank you Bill, you are sooo GENEROUS.
>
> I will be happy to take it... I just need you to do a "few" additional
> things for me.
> #1. Please call my boss (Chief John Gomes 559-935-152?). Gently
explain
> to him that I have been called away on a family emergency of some sort (I
> don't know what kind, just make something up & make it dramatic!).
> #2. Please call the airlines (the commercial folks) and get 2 tickets,
> round trip from Fresno to Steamboat Springs; for my wife & youngest Sun.
> Me & my oldest Sun will take my RV-4 (see I'm saving you some money, isn't
> that thoughtful of me?).
> #3. Please call a ski-shop in Steamboat Springs (no... I don't know
"what"
> ski-shop! I've never been to Steamboat Springs; Any ski-shop is FINE...)
> and rent 4 sets of skis and 2 sets of snowboarding equipment (me & my Suns
> wanta try snow boarding too).
> #4. Please call a nice hotel & make arrangements for a "Mr. & Mrs. Smith"
> for any 2 nights they have available. Then call a local Escort
Service...
> now this is important, I like blondes but a red head will do in a pinch!
> But no more brunettes! (Don't ask!).
> #5. I'll send you the rest of my list later...
>
> Thanks again for being sooo Generous! And take care,
>
> Chuck
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rv8list@yahoogroups.com>; vansairforce
> <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Free Steamboat Condo...
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
> >
> > Sorry, this is not airplane related...
> >
> > Ok, so I know this is short notice, but I have a 2br, 2ba condo at
> Steamboat Springs, CO available next week, Saturday, December 20th thru
> Saturday, December 27th, and I am not going to be using it... I hired
some
> company to lease/sell it for me and they didn't do either, so...
> >
> > If anyone is interested in using it, just let me know and I will give
you
> the reservation number and call them and give them your name...
> >
> > It's FREE, but donations are welcome! :
> > ) Let me know!
> >
> > -Bill VonDane
> > EAA Tech Counselor
> > RV-8A ~ N8WV
> > www.vondane.com
> > www.creativair.com
> > www.epanelbuilder.com
> > 719-540-1997 / 719-510-0854
> >
> > do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: To Cork or not to Cork? |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Alex Peterson wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
>
>
>
>><< If you ever need to remove the cover plates, just take a
>>small propane
>>torch and lightly heat the pro-seal. >>
>>
>>No flame intended, but having witnessed several "empty" fuel
>>tank explosions,
>>this seems pretty high risk to me.
>>
>>
>
>One time, when I was much younger, I decided that I would braze a leaky
>fuel tank on an old car.
>
Oh, so familiar! Me too! From an MG-B!
> I had heard that filling it almost up with water would do the trick. So, with
the tank off the car, I filled italmost completely with water, capped it, and
turned it so that the tiny
>air space was at the proposed brazing area.
>
Here we have a difference. I didn't cap mine because it worked OK that way.
> About four seconds after I
>put the torch to the tank seam, I heard and felt a bang. Yup, all I can
>say was I'm glad that the whole thing wasn't empty. Never did get the
>darn thing brazed, used epoxy instead.
>
When mine lit off, the water coming out of the filler was pure
propulsion!!! Short flight, though, about 10 feet. That tank looked
like a down pillow when it stopped moving!!!!
linn
>
>If one needs to heat the proseal, use a hair dryer or something else.
>
>Alex Peterson
>Maple Grove, MN
>RV6-A N66AP 424 hours
>www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
>do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Free Steamboat Condo... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Andy, Thanks for the "local perspective". BTW, can I borrow your credit
card number? Bill said O.K., but he just needs a little financial help
with granting my.... "Dreaming of a White Christmas". :-}
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Aircraft Technical Book Company <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Free Steamboat Condo...
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company"
<winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
>
> Sorry Chuck, but Steamboat is known for its brunettes. Got some nice
cliffs
> to launch from too - if you know where to find them. Too bad. I guess
Bill
> will have to give his condo to someone else.
>
> Andy
> Winter Park, CO
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: C. Rabaut <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Free Steamboat Condo...
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> >
> > Thank you Bill, you are sooo GENEROUS.
> >
> > I will be happy to take it... I just need you to do a "few" additional
> > things for me.
> > #1. Please call my boss (Chief John Gomes 559-935-152?). Gently
> explain
> > to him that I have been called away on a family emergency of some sort
(I
> > don't know what kind, just make something up & make it dramatic!).
> > #2. Please call the airlines (the commercial folks) and get 2 tickets,
> > round trip from Fresno to Steamboat Springs; for my wife & youngest Sun.
> > Me & my oldest Sun will take my RV-4 (see I'm saving you some money,
isn't
> > that thoughtful of me?).
> > #3. Please call a ski-shop in Steamboat Springs (no... I don't know
> "what"
> > ski-shop! I've never been to Steamboat Springs; Any ski-shop is
FINE...)
> > and rent 4 sets of skis and 2 sets of snowboarding equipment (me & my
Suns
> > wanta try snow boarding too).
> > #4. Please call a nice hotel & make arrangements for a "Mr. & Mrs.
Smith"
> > for any 2 nights they have available. Then call a local Escort
> Service...
> > now this is important, I like blondes but a red head will do in a pinch!
> > But no more brunettes! (Don't ask!).
> > #5. I'll send you the rest of my list later...
> >
> > Thanks again for being sooo Generous! And take care,
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > do not archive
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rv8list@yahoogroups.com>; vansairforce
> > <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: RV-List: Free Steamboat Condo...
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
> > >
> > > Sorry, this is not airplane related...
> > >
> > > Ok, so I know this is short notice, but I have a 2br, 2ba condo at
> > Steamboat Springs, CO available next week, Saturday, December 20th thru
> > Saturday, December 27th, and I am not going to be using it... I hired
> some
> > company to lease/sell it for me and they didn't do either, so...
> > >
> > > If anyone is interested in using it, just let me know and I will give
> you
> > the reservation number and call them and give them your name...
> > >
> > > It's FREE, but donations are welcome! :
> > > ) Let me know!
> > >
> > > -Bill VonDane
> > > EAA Tech Counselor
> > > RV-8A ~ N8WV
> > > www.vondane.com
> > > www.creativair.com
> > > www.epanelbuilder.com
> > > 719-540-1997 / 719-510-0854
> > >
> > > do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: vortex generators |
--> RV-List message posted by: Blanton Fortson <blanton@alaska.net>
Matthew, you may by now have noted Jim's eloquent post of this
morning:
From: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: RV-List: vortex generators
Date: December 18, 2003 8:12:30 AM AST
To: rv-list@matronics.com
(Jim's notes copied to bottom of page here)
He put it down quite well.
In my experience, the VG "kit's" most worth their salt are of the sort
which Chuck White of Micro-Aero sells. These are test-flown & STC'd but
one could certainly learn from observing and "roll one's own". It may
be that for production/STC's stuff that Mr. White may have a patent on
the wings, HS, VS bit, but in my view that's the way to go. VG's may
not be as prevalent in your neighborhood as up here in Alaska but if
you can find a few AC wearing them, do look closely. Some kits have the
wing VG's nearer to or further back from the leading edge. Once again,
I'd try to emulate the "Micro-Aero" recipe.
http://www.microaero.com/
Regards, Blanton
http://homepage.mac.com/blanton
1051V: wing: Robertson STOL, Sportsman STOL, Wing-X STOL, Deemer's
tips, Micro-Aero VG's on wing, VS, HS (underside, of course) (40'2"
span vs. 36' for most Cessnas, plus significantly increased depth of
chord span-wide due to the Sportsman airfoil being carried through the
custom Wing-X extensions and Deemers tips. Almost forgot the Precise
Flight speed brakes.
"The wing is the thing".
On Dec 18, 2003, at 7:11 AM, Matt Jurotich wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Jurotich <mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov>
>
>
> Very interesting. Every VG kit I've been able to find just supplies
> wing
> VGs. How does the increased elevator authority affect trim sensitivity
> during landing? Any increase in elevator authority during cruise?
> Did you
> use a kit or roll your own? Do you also have vertical stab VGs?
>
> Thanks
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Blanton Fortson
> <<mailto:blanton@alaska.net>blanton@alaska.net>
>
> VG's on both sides of the VS may affect yaw qualities ... they
> may
> create an effect like a "virtually" larger VS. I know the VG's
> on the
> underside of my HS dramatically increased elevator authority as
> if the
> HS and elevator were larger.
>
> B.
>
>
> Matthew M. Jurotich
>
> NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
> Swales contractor to the
> JWST ISIM Systems Engineer
>
> m/c : 443
> e-mail mail to: <mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov>
> phone : 301-286-5919
> fax : 301-286-1736
>
>
> JWST URL: <http://ngst1.gsfc.nasa.gov
>
>
........................................................................
........................................................................
...........................................
> _--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
When landing a conventionally configured aircraft, especially with the
wing
flaps extended, a lot of "aft stick" is needed to overcome the nose down
pitching moment that slow flight requires plus even more to rotate the
nose
upwards to flare the aircraft before touchdown.
Aft stick means the trailing edge of the elevator moves up so the tail
surface becomes a curved, cambered surface producing lift in the
downwards
sense. (Think of an upside down wing with the flaps extended.) Anything
that
can be done to improve the lifting characteristics of the
tailplane-elevator
combination, such as turbulators that will help keep the airflow
attached on
the underside of the tail, will provide more downward lift which the
pilot
sees as more "nose up" pitch authority when landing.
Turbulators are one method. I recall seeing some aircraft with a reverse
slotted horizontal tail leading edge in the past (one of the higher
performance Cessna singles possibly) that accomplish the same thing. A
British aircraft called the Buccaneer used blowing boundary layer
control on
the tailplane to get acceptable landing characteristics for aircraft
carrier
use at the cost of considerable plumbing complexity but it worked.
Similar theory would apply to vertical stab turbulators that should
provide
better lift characteristics to the fin-rudder combination that provide
restoring forces to yawing motions and so (perhaps) better yaw
stability to
the aircraft.
Lots more pilot oriented aerodynamics at http://www.av8n.com/how/
Jim Oke
Wpg., MB
RV-3
RV-6A
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| Subject: | Turn Coordinator |
--> RV-List message posted by: Michael D Hilger <rvsixer@juno.com>
Listers,
I am looking for a turn coordinator. The non-TSO'd one in my RV
lasted
500 hrs. If you have one removed to install an autopilot, etc, contact me
off-list.
TSO'd or not is okay.
Do Not Archive
Mike Hilger
RV-6, N207AM, 500 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: To Cork or not to Cork? |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 07:18 AM 12/14/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company"
><winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
> If you ever need to remove the cover plates,
>just take a small propane torch and lightly heat the pro-seal. The plate
>will come right off.
An even quicker way to get that plate off is to use a big torch and stick
it in the filler hole!
do not do this
hal
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| Subject: | Re: Dec. 17th 2003 100 years / What did you do today |
tocelebrate?
--> RV-List message posted by: Blanton Fortson <blanton@alaska.net> tocelebrate?
>>What do they fly in Alaska? Taildraggers rule there.<<
HEY, both my Alaska bushplanes have been nose-draggers, with the big
Landis fork (and an 8.50x6 nose tire, at least) (Landis PA28/C206 nose
fork for 7.00x6 and larger tires)
On both the 172xp and the 206 (http://homepage.mac.com/blanton) I flew
24" mains and the largest tire I could fit in that big Piper nose fork.
On Dec 18, 2003, at 8:15 AM, Greg Milner wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Milner" <tldrgred@execpc.com>
>
>> taidraggers were having a tough time taxiing but the 6a had no
>> problem<
>
> I`ve been flying taildraggers in the midwest for 6yrs. and don`t see
> noserollers having any advantage. What do they fly in Alaska?
> Taildraggers rule there.
>
> Greg Milner
> RV-4 79KM
> Waukesha,Wi. UES
>
>
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> _-> _-
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| Subject: | Re: Free Steamboat Condo... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
We should just all show up there, throw out money in a pile and drink some
beers!
Merry Christmas!!! HO HO HO!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Free Steamboat Condo...
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Andy, Thanks for the "local perspective". BTW, can I borrow your credit
card number? Bill said O.K., but he just needs a little financial help
with granting my.... "Dreaming of a White Christmas". :-}
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Aircraft Technical Book Company <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Free Steamboat Condo...
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company"
<winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
>
> Sorry Chuck, but Steamboat is known for its brunettes. Got some nice
cliffs
> to launch from too - if you know where to find them. Too bad. I guess
Bill
> will have to give his condo to someone else.
>
> Andy
> Winter Park, CO
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: C. Rabaut <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Free Steamboat Condo...
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> >
> > Thank you Bill, you are sooo GENEROUS.
> >
> > I will be happy to take it... I just need you to do a "few" additional
> > things for me.
> > #1. Please call my boss (Chief John Gomes 559-935-152?). Gently
> explain
> > to him that I have been called away on a family emergency of some sort
(I
> > don't know what kind, just make something up & make it dramatic!).
> > #2. Please call the airlines (the commercial folks) and get 2 tickets,
> > round trip from Fresno to Steamboat Springs; for my wife & youngest Sun.
> > Me & my oldest Sun will take my RV-4 (see I'm saving you some money,
isn't
> > that thoughtful of me?).
> > #3. Please call a ski-shop in Steamboat Springs (no... I don't know
> "what"
> > ski-shop! I've never been to Steamboat Springs; Any ski-shop is
FINE...)
> > and rent 4 sets of skis and 2 sets of snowboarding equipment (me & my
Suns
> > wanta try snow boarding too).
> > #4. Please call a nice hotel & make arrangements for a "Mr. & Mrs.
Smith"
> > for any 2 nights they have available. Then call a local Escort
> Service...
> > now this is important, I like blondes but a red head will do in a pinch!
> > But no more brunettes! (Don't ask!).
> > #5. I'll send you the rest of my list later...
> >
> > Thanks again for being sooo Generous! And take care,
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > do not archive
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rv8list@yahoogroups.com>; vansairforce
> > <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: RV-List: Free Steamboat Condo...
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
> > >
> > > Sorry, this is not airplane related...
> > >
> > > Ok, so I know this is short notice, but I have a 2br, 2ba condo at
> > Steamboat Springs, CO available next week, Saturday, December 20th thru
> > Saturday, December 27th, and I am not going to be using it... I hired
> some
> > company to lease/sell it for me and they didn't do either, so...
> > >
> > > If anyone is interested in using it, just let me know and I will give
> you
> > the reservation number and call them and give them your name...
> > >
> > > It's FREE, but donations are welcome! :
> > > ) Let me know!
> > >
> > > -Bill VonDane
> > > EAA Tech Counselor
> > > RV-8A ~ N8WV
> > > www.vondane.com
> > > www.creativair.com
> > > www.epanelbuilder.com
> > > 719-540-1997 / 719-510-0854
> > >
> > > do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to celebrate? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Michael D Hilger <rvsixer@juno.com>
> What did you do today to celebrate 100 years of powered flight?
The weather here in So.St.Paul, MN was great, temps in the 20's, and
I had the day off.
So out came the -6, and away I flew down Mark Twain's Mississippi past
LaCrosse, WI to
Prairie du Chien. The walls of the FBO are covered with photos of
visiting aircraft (Michael -
Susie-Q was there!) and I had a nice time visiting with the locals and
reflecting on the last
100 years of flight. Then off toward home to start the SECOND 100
years...
Mike Hilger
RV-6, N207AM, 500 hrs
So.St.Paul, Minnesota (SGS)
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| Subject: | Re: To Cork or not to Cork? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Leesafur@aol.com
"No flame intended"
That's such a fitting phrase for this topic :-) But on a serious note the
industry standard for the flash point on gas is -25 to -35 degree witch means
that the gas will flash from the heat source from your heat gun or the spark from
the brushes in your hair dryer will ignite the vapor.
I clean gas tanks for a living and granted were talking about a 30 gal tank
and not a 3 million gal tank but the rules are the same. I=E2=80=99ve heard=20more
stories than you can shake a stick at and would hate to hear another one from the
RV
community.
Lee
Anoka MN
RV-3 Wing
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| Subject: | Gas tank explosion hazard (Was: To Cork or not to Cork?) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
At 02:43 PM 12/18/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 12/17/03 6:22:15 AM Pacific Standard Time,
>winterland@rkymtnhi.com writes:
>
><< If you ever need to remove the cover plates, just take a small propane
>torch and lightly heat the pro-seal. >>
>
>No flame intended, but having witnessed several "empty" fuel tank explosions,
>this seems pretty high risk to me.
The best way I have ever heard to reduce the risk of fire and
explosion is to toss a few cups of dry ice pellets in the tank about twenty
minutes before you begin work.
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List Digest: 56 Msgs - 12/17/03 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Banks" <tinmanjj@ptd.net>
you just might be the next man on the moon
----- Original Message -----
From: "RV-List Digest Server" <rv-list-digest@matronics.com>
Subject: RV-List Digest: 56 Msgs - 12/17/03
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> 1. 02:52 AM - Re: Dec 17. (PSILeD@aol.com)
> 2. 05:02 AM - Re: Jon Johanson (Charles Rowbotham)
> 3. 06:10 AM - Re: Re: Insurance Questions (John Helms)
> 4. 06:16 AM - Re: IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ? (Ronnie Brown)
> 5. 06:19 AM - Re: To Cork or not to Cork? (Aircraft Technical Book
Company)
> 6. 06:34 AM - Re: Fuel tank access cover sealing was To Cork or not
(Charlie Kuss)
> 7. 06:50 AM - pouring rain at Kitty Hawk (Steven Eberhart)
> 8. 06:56 AM - Vacuum shut off valve mcmaster carr (Jeff Dowling)
> 9. 07:09 AM - Re: pouring rain at Kitty Hawk (Jamie D. Painter)
> 10. 07:09 AM - Re: pouring rain at Kitty Hawk (Jamie D. Painter)
> 11. 07:18 AM - Re: To Cork or not to Cork? (Leesafur@aol.com)
> 12. 07:21 AM - Re: Vacuum shut off valve mcmaster carr (Alex
Peterson)
> 13. 07:24 AM - The Wright Stuff (Kosta Lewis)
> 14. 07:48 AM - Re: pouring rain at Kitty Hawk (Craig Warner)
> 15. 07:57 AM - Wright FLyer mission scrubbed (Stewart, Michael (ISS
Atlanta))
> 16. 08:06 AM - Re: pouring rain at Kitty Hawk (Paul Besing)
> 17. 08:26 AM - Re: Digital compass (Richard Tasker)
> 18. 08:29 AM - Re: Hawaii (Dr. Kevin P. Leathers)
> 19. 08:29 AM - Re: pouring rain at Kitty Hawk (Jamie D. Painter)
> 20. 08:41 AM - Re: The Wright Stuff (Hal Rozema)
> 21. 09:24 AM - Salute to the Wright Bros. (John)
> 22. 10:58 AM - Unsubscribing (Elsa & Henry)
> 23. 11:04 AM - vortex generators
(glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com)
> 24. 11:46 AM - RV7 Electric elevator trim (Mark Antenbring)
> 25. 12:01 PM - Dec 17th (Tom Gummo)
> 26. 12:57 PM - Re: Dec 17th (Jim Sears)
> 27. 01:23 PM - Wright Bros Flight... (Bill VonDane)
> 28. 01:36 PM - Re: RV7 Electric elevator trim (Ralph E. Capen)
> 29. 01:41 PM - Re: Wright Bros Flight... (Dana Overall)
> 30. 02:06 PM - Re: vortex generators (John)
> 31. 02:09 PM - Remembrance of 100th anniversary of flight (Vern
Darley,II)
> 32. 02:12 PM - Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to
celebrate? (Don Eaves)
> 33. 02:15 PM - Re: vortex generators (John)
> 34. 02:43 PM - Re: Dec 17th (Keith Vasey)
> 35. 02:45 PM - Re: Wright Bros Flight... (Boss)
> 36. 03:11 PM - Re: vortex generators (Boyd Braem)
> 37. 03:24 PM - Tundra Tires? (Bill Dube)
> 38. 03:31 PM - Re: IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ? (Trampas)
> 39. 03:44 PM - Re: vortex generators (Boyd Braem)
> 40. 04:32 PM - Re: Wright Bros Flight... (Dana Overall)
> 41. 04:36 PM - RV-4 Kit for Sale (Steve Gandy)
> 42. 05:27 PM - Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to
celebrate? (Randy Compton)
> 43. 06:02 PM - Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to
celebrate? (David Taylor)
> 44. 06:14 PM - Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to
celebrate? (Glenn Brasch)
> 45. 06:52 PM - Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to
celebrate? (Don Mack)
> 46. 07:04 PM - Re: vortex generators (Boyd Braem)
> 47. 07:18 PM - 100 years (Wheeler North)
> 48. 07:29 PM - Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to
celebrate? (Joe Hine)
> 49. 08:08 PM - Re: RV7 Electric elevator trim (Karie Daniel)
> 50. 08:51 PM - [ Jim Jewell ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
(Email List Photo Shares)
> 51. 09:01 PM - Re: IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ? (Ross Mickey)
> 52. 09:34 PM - What did you do today to celebrate? (Cammie Patch)
> 53. 10:36 PM - Re: vortex generators (Blanton Fortson)
> 54. 11:32 PM - Re: vortex generators (Boyd Braem)
> 55. 11:41 PM - Re: 100 years (Boyd Braem)
> 56. 11:46 PM - Re: 100 years (Boyd Braem)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
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>
>
> Time: 02:52:06 AM PST US
> From: PSILeD@aol.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Dec 17.
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: PSILeD@aol.com
>
> The Discovery Wings channel shows video of the Dash 80 during that
manuver.
> It is one of their Historical moments and they show it quite frequently.
> Usually show one or the other at the end of each session. Very impressive!
> Paul LeDoux
> RV8-QB
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
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>
>
> Time: 05:02:30 AM PST US
> From: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Jon Johanson
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham"
<crowbotham@hotmail.com>
>
> Eustace,
>
> Thanks for the update.
>
> Chuck
>
>
> >From: "Eustace Bowhay" <ebowhay@jetstream.net>
> >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >To: "rv list" <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RV-List: Jon Johanson
> >Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:46:02 -0800
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Eustace Bowhay" <ebowhay@jetstream.net>
> >
> >Jon is safely back in Australia.
> >
> >Eustace Bowhay
> >
> >
>
> Grab our best dial-up Internet access offer: 6 months @$9.95/month.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
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>
>
> Time: 06:10:38 AM PST US
> From: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Insurance Questions
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
>
> Beware the difference between per person (what AVEMCO offers... limits
> anyone's bodily injury to $100,000) vs what all other companies offer (per
> passenger.... person's outside the plane who are injured aren't limited to
> $100,000).
>
> Also, beware that AVEMCO sublimits family members of yours to 25% of that
> sublimit.
>
> JT
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Oldsfolks@aol.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Re: Insurance Questions
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
>
> I got a quote from the EAA insurance out fit and then found Avemco got me
> the
> same liability for about half the premium for my RV-4. No hull coverage.
>
>
> Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
> RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
> Charleston, Arkansas
> "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
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>
>
> Time: 06:16:50 AM PST US
> From: "Ronnie Brown" <romott@adelphia.net>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ?
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ronnie Brown" <romott@adelphia.net>
>
> I agree - the GRT EIS 4000 is a great value, takes up very little panel
> space (mine is at the bottom of the radio stack), alarms limits can be set
> on about any input, and support is great! The display is very visible in
> any light and the character size is large enough for my old eyes to read
> easily,
>
> I use mine like an educated idiot light. I don't have to scan any engine
> instruments - the EIS lets me know if anything is out of limits. After
110
> hours of flying with it, I haven't found ANYTHING I don't like about it.
It
> is easily customizable, alarms are easily set, and it has an RS232 output
> for recording engine data to a laptop. I just used it to do the GAMI fuel
> injector balance test. It worked perfectly.
>
> The engine leaning functions are described at
> http://hometown.aol.com/enginfosys/leanpage.htm . The digital leaning page
> are easier to read and understand than the fancy bar graphs IMHO.
>
> I had planned on the VM-1000 but glad I didn't pay the additional bucks
and
> take up the additional limited panel space. My understanding is he VM has
> very limited to non existent user customizing available. What see you get
> is what you get.
>
> Ronnie Brown
>
>
> Time: 10:36:32 AM PST US
> From: RV8ter@aol.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ?
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
>
> Thanks Mickey. I didn't know the page was traversable via grip switch.
How
> difficult is it to tailor the info on each page and the actual pages you
> wantto see? How does the leaning function actually work in practice?
>
> thx,
> lucky
>
> In a message dated 12/16/2003 1:13:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> rmickey@ix.netcom.com writes:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" <rmickey@ix.netcom.com>
>
> > Anyone have a strong opinion on using the IK-2000 vs Rocky Mountain
Engine
> > monitor vs the Grand Rapids EIS? Any other brand I left out? I don't
> want
> > to spend $4k+ for engine info so I've been looking at these systems
> without
> > a clear winner coming up.
>
> I went witht e GRT based on value/features. One thing you need to
determine
> is how involved you want to be in monitoring your engine systems. Steam
> gauges show you everything at once and require you to scan them on a
regular
> basis to determine if anything is out-of-whack. Large display solid state
> units let you scan everything at a glace and add the warning feature. I
> decided early on that I wanted the engine monitor to do the scaning for me
> and warn me when something is amiss and I wanted to minimize panel space.
> The GRT 4000 fits the bill. It automatically goes to the appropriate page
> when something is out of range. The customizable first two pages allow
you
> to pick those items you are most interested in seeing right away. My home
> page shows rpm/MP, oil temp and pressure, fuel flow, fuel pressure and
> highest EGT. I have a switch on my Infinity grip that forwards and
reverses
> the pages on the monitor. These two features, customizable pages and
stick
> controlled paging, make the unit extremely efficient to meet my needs.
>
> Ross Mickey
> RV6A
> N9PT
> 18 hours and counting
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
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>
>
> Time: 06:19:53 AM PST US
> From: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: To Cork or not to Cork?
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company"
<winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
>
> I've yet to use a cork gasket that didn't eventually leak. Forget the
cork.
> Just pro-seal the access plates onto the tank using a few sealing rivets
or
> platenuts to cinch it down. If you ever need to remove the cover plates,
> just take a small propane torch and lightly heat the pro-seal. The plate
> will come right off.
>
> Andy
> Builder's Bookstore
> www.buildersbooks.com
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
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>
>
> Time: 06:34:18 AM PST US
> From: Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net> to Cork?
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank access cover sealing was To Cork or not
> to Cork?
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net> to
Cork?
>
> Darwin,
> I used the cork gaskets without any sealer on my fuel tank access plates.
I have
> no leaks. I've even removed and reused the cork gaskets several times with
> out leakage. HOWEVER, I built my tanks using NAS1473-A08 fuel tank
nutplates (available
> at Wicks Aircraft).
> http://www.wicksaircraft.com/gotopage.php?page=88
> If you use the standard K1000 nutplates supplied by Vans, you should
consider
> either applying a sealer to the gasket, using ProSeal to replace the
gasket, or
> obtaining a set of #8 self sealing screws. These screws have a sealing
O-ring
> under the head of the screw. They are available from McMaster-Carr.
> You will need:
> 8-32 x 1/2" Part # 90825A816
> If you prefer to use a 3/4" long unit they are Part # 90825A819
> http://www.mcmaster.com/
> Please note that if you decide to use these screws, they come with
silicone rubber
> o-rings. You will need to request a change to Viton rubber o-rings. The
silicone
> rubber does not hold up to gasoline. Ask them to substitute Viton O-rings
> for the Silicone ones or simply purchase a bag of the appropriate size
Viton
> O-rings (they sell them as well)
> Charlie Kuss
> RV-8A instrument panel
> Boca Raton, Fl.
>
> PS I changed the subject line to make archive searching easier.
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
> >
> >I am ready to secure the plates in the root rib and need to get some
feedback
> on whether to use the cork gaskets or not. The archives were not friendly
on this
> search.
> >
> >Any thoughts?
> >
> >Darwin N. Barrie
> >Chandler AZ
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
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>
>
> Time: 06:50:26 AM PST US
> From: Steven Eberhart <newtech@newtech.com>
> Subject: RV-List: pouring rain at Kitty Hawk
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Steven Eberhart <newtech@newtech.com>
>
> Just turned on C-Span and it is pouring down rain at Kitty Hawk :-(
> Bush is speaking and they haven't said yet what the plans are for the
> flight.
>
> Steve Eberhart
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
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>
>
> Time: 06:56:46 AM PST US
> From: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
> Subject: RV-List: Vacuum shut off valve mcmaster carr
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
>
> Help, recently someone posted a McMaster-Carr valve to use as a vacuum
shut off
> for aerobatics. Does anyone have the part number handy. I couldnt find
it in
> the archives.
>
> Jeff Dowling
> 1.5 hours 6a
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
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>
>
> Time: 07:09:17 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: RV-List: pouring rain at Kitty Hawk
> From: "Jamie D. Painter" <rvbuilder@earthlink.net>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie D. Painter"
<rvbuilder@earthlink.net>
>
> For those of us stuck in the office today, you can watch the activities
> on-line at c-span.org.
>
> On Wed, 2003-12-17 at 09:49, Steven Eberhart wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Steven Eberhart <newtech@newtech.com>
> >
> > Just turned on C-Span and it is pouring down rain at Kitty Hawk :-(
> > Bush is speaking and they haven't said yet what the plans are for the
> > flight.
> >
> > Steve Eberhart
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
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>
>
> Time: 07:09:17 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: RV-List: pouring rain at Kitty Hawk
> From: "Jamie D. Painter" <rvbuilder@earthlink.net>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie D. Painter"
<rvbuilder@earthlink.net>
>
> For those of us stuck in the office today, you can watch the activities
> on-line at c-span.org.
>
> On Wed, 2003-12-17 at 09:49, Steven Eberhart wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Steven Eberhart <newtech@newtech.com>
> >
> > Just turned on C-Span and it is pouring down rain at Kitty Hawk :-(
> > Bush is speaking and they haven't said yet what the plans are for the
> > flight.
> >
> > Steve Eberhart
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 11
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>
>
> Time: 07:18:39 AM PST US
> From: Leesafur@aol.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: To Cork or not to Cork?
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Leesafur@aol.com
>
> "just take a small propane torch"
>
> If your going to do that PLEASE MAKE SURE THE TANK IS DEAD such as steamed
> out or blown down with air till the tank is vapor free
> Just a thought has anyone machined the access cover for O-ring's?
>
> Lee
> Anoka MN
> RV-3 wing
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 12
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>
>
> Time: 07:21:40 AM PST US
> From: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Vacuum shut off valve mcmaster carr
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
>
>
> >
> > Help, recently someone posted a McMaster-Carr valve to use as
> > a vacuum shut off for aerobatics. Does anyone have the part
> > number handy. I couldnt find it in the archives.
> >
> > Jeff Dowling
> > 1.5 hours 6a
> >
>
> Jeff, go to
>
> http://www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson/misc.htm
>
> Alex Peterson
> Maple Grove, MN
> RV6-A N66AP 424 hours
> www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 13
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>
>
> Time: 07:24:20 AM PST US
> From: "Kosta Lewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
> Subject: RV-List: The Wright Stuff
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Kosta Lewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
>
> Following the history of the Wright brothers and the methods of
> discovery and of trial and error they undertook to accomplish what they
> did 100 years ago today makes me proud and amazed. It probably should
> never have happened. But it did. It is their gift to us flyers, now a
> century later, putting together our own flying machines and breaking the
> bonds that held man to earth for tens of thousands of years before the
> first flight. If that doesn't inspire you to get back out into your
> garage/hanger and get to work, you just ain't paying attention.
>
> The wind is blowing here today but you can bet I am going to celebrate
> this amazing century of flight with a flight of my own. It is a great
> honor and privilege to be able to just walk out to the airplane and go
> flying. The wonderful machine Van gave us, the talent I had to put it
> together, the skill I was taught to fly it, the country we have to fly
> in....lots to be thankful for.
>
> Way to go, Orville and Wilber. Thanks.
>
> Michael
> RV-4 232 Suzie Q
>
> Tuned in to CNN, waiting. Doesn't look good for weather today
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 14
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>
>
> Time: 07:48:37 AM PST US
> From: "Craig Warner" <cwarner@twcny.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: pouring rain at Kitty Hawk
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Craig Warner" <cwarner@twcny.rr.com>
>
> They are going to try again at 2:00 pm eastern time.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven Eberhart" <newtech@newtech.com>
> Subject: RV-List: pouring rain at Kitty Hawk
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Steven Eberhart <newtech@newtech.com>
> >
> > Just turned on C-Span and it is pouring down rain at Kitty Hawk :-(
> > Bush is speaking and they haven't said yet what the plans are for the
> > flight.
> >
> > Steve Eberhart
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 15
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>
>
> Time: 07:57:46 AM PST US
> Subject: RV-List: Wright FLyer mission scrubbed
> From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
<mstewart@iss.net>
>
> From boots on the ground.
>
> Wright Flyer scrubbed until 2pm.
>
> They will reevaluate at that time.
>
> They need winds to be 15-22.
>
> Winds are now light and variable but expected to pick up.
>
>
> Thanks to Nomad(Jim Lawrence) for calling me right on the minute to say
> hello from Kitty Hawk(10:35am est). He was thinking about his aviation
> buddies and giving them a call for an up to the minute count of the
> activities.
>
> Cool.
>
>
> And good luck to the Austin Tx flyers flying the capitol today. Wish I
> were there with my RV buds. Instead I am scanning the web for real video
> feeds from Kitty Hawk with no luck.
>
>
> Winds in Atlanta are 28 gust 40. I will fly with my training wheel this
> afternoon, but the taildraggers are grounded:-)
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> Michael Stewart
>
> Quality Assurance
>
> 404.236.3363
>
> GO ISS!
>
>
> "Why is it doing that and how do I make it stop?"
>
> What an old pilot said while learning a new computerized cockpit
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 16
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>
>
> Time: 08:06:54 AM PST US
> From: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: pouring rain at Kitty Hawk
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
>
> I'm on CSpan.org, but i'm getting a call in open forum. No Kitty Hawk
> coverage.
>
> Paul Besing
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jamie D. Painter" <rvbuilder@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: pouring rain at Kitty Hawk
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie D. Painter"
> <rvbuilder@earthlink.net>
> >
> > For those of us stuck in the office today, you can watch the activities
> > on-line at c-span.org.
> >
> > On Wed, 2003-12-17 at 09:49, Steven Eberhart wrote:
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: Steven Eberhart <newtech@newtech.com>
> > >
> > > Just turned on C-Span and it is pouring down rain at Kitty Hawk :-(
> > > Bush is speaking and they haven't said yet what the plans are for the
> > > flight.
> > >
> > > Steve Eberhart
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 17
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>
>
> Time: 08:26:50 AM PST US
> From: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Digital compass
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
>
> Interesting idea, and it actually works (at least in my car) but you can
> get the same thing on Ebay for $50!
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=26436&item=2448975069
>
> Dick Tasker, 90573
> Fuselage
>
> j1j2h3@juno.com wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: j1j2h3@juno.com
> >
> >Brookstone
> >
> >www.brookstone.com
> >
> >has a digital electronic compass for $130. According to their ad, it has
> >a numeric readout with a resolution of 1 degree in addition to the
> >graphic display and can be set to either true or magnetic north. It also
> >displays inside and outside temperature, with an ice alert and has an
> >altimeter.
> >
> >I would want to keep my whiskey compass as a backup, but I'm thinking
> >that this would be a neat addition. It would be easier to read and I
> >think these things are immune to turning and accel/decel errors. The
> >altimeter would also be a backup. Of course the altimeter would not be
> >very accurate, not having an external static source, and I doubt that it
> >can be adjusted for barometric pressure, but it would still be good for
> >maintaining an altitude.
> >
> >Any opinions on this?
> >
> >Jim Hasper - RV-7 just starting empennage (setting up shop in Franklin,
> >Tennessee)
> >
> >Do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 18
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:29:03 AM PST US
> From: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Hawaii
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers"
<DrLeathers@822heal.com>
>
> Hi Pat,
>
> Try 1-360-568-1542 "Fly Hawaii" They were good to me last year. Nice
planes.
>
> Doc
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <RV4PatA@aol.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Hawaii
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: RV4PatA@aol.com
> >
> >
> > Anyone know a good place to rent a cessna on Oahu?
> > do not archive
> > Pat Allender
> > RV-4
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 19
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>
>
> Time: 08:29:25 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: RV-List: pouring rain at Kitty Hawk
> From: "Jamie D. Painter" <rvbuilder@earthlink.net>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie D. Painter"
<rvbuilder@earthlink.net>
>
> Yeah, they were doing live video feeds from Kitty Hawk but cut away
> after the flight was scrubbed. They said they'll be back to the NC feed
> at 2:00 p.m. I'm going to try to find some more feeds.
>
> On Wed, 2003-12-17 at 11:05, Paul Besing wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
> >
> > I'm on CSpan.org, but i'm getting a call in open forum. No Kitty Hawk
> > coverage.
> >
> > Paul Besing
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jamie D. Painter" <rvbuilder@earthlink.net>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: pouring rain at Kitty Hawk
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie D. Painter"
> > <rvbuilder@earthlink.net>
> > >
> > > For those of us stuck in the office today, you can watch the
activities
> > > on-line at c-span.org.
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2003-12-17 at 09:49, Steven Eberhart wrote:
> > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Steven Eberhart <newtech@newtech.com>
> > > >
> > > > Just turned on C-Span and it is pouring down rain at Kitty Hawk :-(
> > > > Bush is speaking and they haven't said yet what the plans are for
the
> > > > flight.
> > > >
> > > > Steve Eberhart
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 20
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:41:38 AM PST US
> From: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: The Wright Stuff
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
>
> I wish the Wright followers well. It's a lot of fun.
>
> Also read, http://www.deepsky.com/~firstflight/
>
> Hal Rozema
> theplanefolks.net
>
> Kosta Lewis wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Kosta Lewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
> >
> > Following the history of the Wright brothers and the methods of
> > discovery and of trial and error they undertook to accomplish what they
> > did 100 years ago today makes me proud and amazed. It probably should
> > never have happened. But it did. It is their gift to us flyers, now a
> > century later, putting together our own flying machines and breaking the
> > bonds that held man to earth for tens of thousands of years before the
> > first flight. If that doesn't inspire you to get back out into your
> > garage/hanger and get to work, you just ain't paying attention.
> >
> > The wind is blowing here today but you can bet I am going to celebrate
> > this amazing century of flight with a flight of my own. It is a great
> > honor and privilege to be able to just walk out to the airplane and go
> > flying. The wonderful machine Van gave us, the talent I had to put it
> > together, the skill I was taught to fly it, the country we have to fly
> > in....lots to be thankful for.
> >
> > Way to go, Orville and Wilber. Thanks.
> >
> > Michael
> > RV-4 232 Suzie Q
> >
> > Tuned in to CNN, waiting. Doesn't look good for weather today
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 21
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>
>
> Time: 09:24:38 AM PST US
> From: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Salute to the Wright Bros.
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> I took the RV6A up for a short (and very bumpy) flight this morning as a
> salute to the two who gave us this great gift of flight. I couldn't help
but
> thnik of the control problems they must have had...even though I was
getting
> a LOT of bumps (even hit my head once) they certainly had more....also for
> what its worth I took care to watch for any change of the plane's tendency
> to yaw in the presence of turbulence to see if the vortex generators I
have
> on the plane made a difference...my conclusion: They do make a big
> difference..very little lateral yaw compared to what I had in the past
prior
> to vortex generator installation.
>
> John at Salida, CO
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 22
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>
>
> Time: 10:58:52 AM PST US
> From: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Unsubscribing
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry"
<elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
>
> To all interested,
> I have unsubscribed from the RV List for the holidays effective today
(17th)
> Happy and safe holidays to all.
>
> Cheers!!---Henry Hore
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 23
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>
>
> Time: 11:04:40 AM PST US
> Subject: RV-List: vortex generators
> From: glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com
> 12/17/2003 12:27:20 PM
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com
>
>
> I need to be educated. I do not see how vortex generators cancel out
> adverse yaw. I understand how the generators keep the airflow attached in
> slow flight and lower stall speed. I do not however see that they make the
> tail "bigger". Is it possible that the v shape induces a stability
> augmentation over the wings to aid in this? i.e. making the wings track
> straighter due to the v shape glued on the wings and assisting in the
> adverse yaw problem?
>
> thanks
> Glenn Williams
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 24
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>
>
> Time: 11:46:05 AM PST US
> From: Mark Antenbring <mantenbring@pangaeainc.com>
> Subject: RV-List: RV7 Electric elevator trim
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Mark Antenbring
<mantenbring@pangaeainc.com>
>
> So far the empennage instructions provide a lot of detail and
hand-holding,
> but when I get to the electric elevator trim, it's a big mystery. I've had
> to make a lot of assumptions in that area so far. The next assumption I
have
> to make is that I have to cut the threaded bolt (trim push rod) to a
proper
> length, unless I want the trim tab sticking up full time. That would cause
> some forward stick pressure eh? Has any one got an accurate method to cut
> this push rod to length? Is a hacksaw ok to use on this rod?
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 25
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>
>
> Time: 12:01:11 PM PST US
> From: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
> "Rocket List" <rocket-list@matronics.com>,
> "SoCal RV List" <socal-rvlist@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Dec 17th
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
>
> The weather at Apple Valley, CA was beautiful this morning. Hopped into
the Rocket
> with my instructor Joe Fitzgerald and completed my biannual. Found a Long
> EZ and did some acro with me in trail. Later switched leads and had him
follow
> me through some light acro. Checked out the mountains and saw lots of
dead
> trees from all those fires. Yelled on the radio "THANK YOU WRIGHT
BROTHERS"
> just had to do it.
>
> Hope you all had a chance to fly today.
>
> Tom Gummo
> Apple Valley, CA
> Harmon Rocket-II
>
> do not archive
>
> http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 26
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>
>
> Time: 12:57:28 PM PST US
> From: Jim Sears <sears@searnet.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Dec 17th
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jim Sears <sears@searnet.com>
>
>
> > Hope you all had a chance to fly today.
> >
>
> It's cold in KY. I went to the airport, untied Scooter, and fired him up.
> Boy, did that engine shake! I quickly realized that some dummy had not
> turned the prop so that water could drain out. Drat! Ice in the
spinner!
> Well, at least I tried. Maybe I didn't do any worse than those at Kitty
> Hawk. Haven't watched the news this afternoon; but, the weather wasn't
that
> great when I watched earlier.
>
> Jim Sears in KY
> RV-6A N198JS
> EAA Tech Counselor
> do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 27
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>
>
> Time: 01:23:01 PM PST US
> From: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Wright Bros Flight...
> vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>
> A small group if us decided to go flying this morning in honor of the
Wright Bros
> first flight...
>
> I did a roll in both directions at the same time as the 100 year
anniversary!!!
> Got some cool video too!
>
> We continued on to Pueblo, CO for breakfast, and I had a flat nose
wheel... Ah
> well, the Wright's had trouble 100 years ago too... Pulled the wheel off,
got
> a ride back to my home airport, after a new tube and fresh grease, got
another
> ride back down to Pueblo...
>
> Now I'm sittin at work thinkin; Even with a flat, I was having more fun
than I
> am now!!! Have a good day all!
>
> -Bill VonDane
> EAA Tech Counselor
> RV-8A ~ N8WV
> www.vondane.com
> www.creativair.com
> www.epanelbuilder.com
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 28
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>
>
> Time: 01:36:32 PM PST US
> From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV7 Electric elevator trim
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
>
> I used the Gretz relocation kit for my 6A. I might suggest that it
> eliminates a lot of the issues that I had with both the manual and stock
> electric trim systems.
>
> my .02...
>
> Ralph Capen
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Antenbring" <mantenbring@pangaeainc.com>
> Subject: RV-List: RV7 Electric elevator trim
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Mark Antenbring
> <mantenbring@pangaeainc.com>
> >
> > So far the empennage instructions provide a lot of detail and
> hand-holding,
> > but when I get to the electric elevator trim, it's a big mystery. I've
had
> > to make a lot of assumptions in that area so far. The next assumption I
> have
> > to make is that I have to cut the threaded bolt (trim push rod) to a
> proper
> > length, unless I want the trim tab sticking up full time. That would
cause
> > some forward stick pressure eh? Has any one got an accurate method to
cut
> > this push rod to length? Is a hacksaw ok to use on this rod?
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 29
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>
>
> Time: 01:41:23 PM PST US
> From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Wright Bros Flight...
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
> Hum, it sure looked the guy pilot drove the flyer into the mud:-)
> Seriously, hope they, male or female, get/got another chance today to get
> it off the ground.
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> Finish kit
> Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
> http://rvflying.tripod.com
> do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 30
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>
>
> Time: 02:06:10 PM PST US
> From: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: vortex generators
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
>
> I have no idea why it SEEMS to make some difference in yaw reduction. The
> whole thing is a subjective feeling. The only rough and ready 'test' I
could
> concieve of is to have to fairly identical RV's fly together in the same
> conditions and see what difference there is. Unfortunately it isn't
> practical to fly the single plane with the vortex generators and then
> without in the same conditions...to awkward and conditions change too
fast.
> Someone else had suggested they noticed a yaw reduction with their vortex
> generators; I had rather forgoten about it until I was getting kicked
around
> so much today, and it occured to me how the yaw that I used to see just
> wasn't there. Obviously one flight does not a conclusion make, but there's
> something going on.
>
> John
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 31
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>
>
> Time: 02:09:01 PM PST US
> From: "Vern Darley,II" <vern@mindspring.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Remembrance of 100th anniversary of flight
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Vern Darley,II" <vern@mindspring.com>
>
> It's been a reflective sort of day as I've done something most unusual for
me-I
> pinned various aviation pins on my tie and wore them all day.( I normally
am
> 'Mr. Decorum' and avoid tacky when I can. )
>
> I've been shocked at how many folks in the office and out at lunch had no
appreciation
> for the 100th Anniv.celebration nor aviation in general. To them,it might
> as well have been National John Deer Tractor day or something.
>
> But, considering the impact of aviation on our economy,our
transportation,our defense,our
> mobility, and our recreation, it has apparently lost much of its mystique
> and appeal to this generation.
>
> Any ideas about what we can do to help motivate the next generation so
they will
> someday celebrate the 200th anniverary??
>
> Today, my pins represented the facets of aviation I've enjoyed in the 50 +
years
> since I took my first ride in a J-3 all those years ago. Almost no one
even
> noticed the odd tie decorations. No one asked what any of them meant to
me. So,
> I'll share some of their meaning with you,my RV family.
>
> One pin represents my first solo at age 16. Another working at the FBO
40-60 hours
> a week all thru college. Another is my USAF wings earned at age 22 and
those
> wonderful young days on active duty. Oh, to be a young Lt. again with
orders
> to 'go put some time on that airplane' again! You never appreciate what
you
> have until you no longer have it, do you?
>
> One pin represented the tumultuous times of airline deregulation and
stress at
> Eastern AIrlines, once the proudest and free world's largest air carrier.
Another
> pin represented the wonderful AF Reserve duties. Caribou's and 130's !
Ground
> school and flying with the late Charlie Burnett. The Citation pin
representing
> the corporate flying days with their busyness.
>
> And the best pin of all, now representing the newest phase of life,where
aviation
> has once again come full circle for me no longer as a 'job', but as fun as
> I've become part of the RV world. Pure and simple fun!
>
> To my pilot father and uncle,to all the instructors, war-story tellers,
hanger-flyers,mechanics
> and lineboys, schedulers,ground school and simulator guys, and
> airport bums who have put up with me all these years-Thanks!
>
> Congratulations on making my 50 years in aviation so wonderful!
>
> Vern
> P.S. I still look up when I hear a plane pass overhead like I did as a
toddler.
> Guess I always will!
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 32
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>
>
> Time: 02:12:08 PM PST US
> From: "Don Eaves" <doneaves@midsouth.rr.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to
celebrate?
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Don Eaves" <doneaves@midsouth.rr.com>
>
> I pulled my RV6 from the hangar and flew to OLV and witnesses the FIRST
flight
> of a Pitts 12.
> I was the Technical counselor on the aircraft for over 4 years.
> The past few weeks have been exciting. What an accomplishment after 4 +
years -
> A first flight on Dec 17 2003. Congratulations Dave Robinson on your 1st
flight!
>
> A TV crew came out from FOX 13 news and interviewed Dave and I was asked
to fly
> the camera man in my RV6 - Now how do you get 2 Grown men and a BIG camera
in
> a RV6 - It was not easy -
> Thanks Orville and Wilbur Wright!
>
> What did you do today to celebrate 100 years of powered flight?
>
> Don Eaves
> doneaves@midsouth.rr.com
> RV 6 Flying 200 + Hrs.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 33
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>
>
> Time: 02:15:06 PM PST US
> From: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: vortex generators
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
>
> Oh, I didn't read Glenn's message too closely...he asked about ADVERSE
yaw -
> well the RV has so little that it is never a consideration...I was
speaking
> of inadvertent yaw caused by flying in turbulence...that's where the
> difference seemed to come in....turning in a 'spam can' where you need
> rudder/aileron coordination to handle adverse yaw is something I don't see
> in my RV. Heavy atmospheric turbulence would normally twist the RV around
> fairly heavily.
>
> John
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 34
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>
>
> Time: 02:43:05 PM PST US
> From: "Keith Vasey" <keith@galvinflying.com>
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Dec 17th
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Keith Vasey" <keith@galvinflying.com>
>
> I don't have my -8 ready this year, so I had to settle for a brand new
> Diamond DA-40. I was privaleged to receive a take-off clearance at 10:32
> (EST) this morning, before the sun came up in Seattle. Too sentimental of
me
> I know, but it felt great to takeoff exactly 100 years from Orville's
event.
>
> Keith Vasey
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Sears
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Dec 17th
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jim Sears <sears@searnet.com>
>
>
> > Hope you all had a chance to fly today.
> >
>
> It's cold in KY. I went to the airport, untied Scooter, and fired him up.
> Boy, did that engine shake! I quickly realized that some dummy had not
> turned the prop so that water could drain out. Drat! Ice in the
spinner!
> Well, at least I tried. Maybe I didn't do any worse than those at Kitty
> Hawk. Haven't watched the news this afternoon; but, the weather wasn't
that
> great when I watched earlier.
>
> Jim Sears in KY
> RV-6A N198JS
> EAA Tech Counselor
> do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 35
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>
>
> Time: 02:45:30 PM PST US
> From: "Boss" <bossone@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Wright Bros Flight...
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Boss" <bossone@cox.net>
>
> To revitalize the interest of the youngsters in aviation there needs to be
a
> house keeping at the FAA. Over the last 30 years they have almost
destroyed
> general aviation. Thae Sport Pilot. It is about money to a favored few and
> has taken over 2 years to do a job that should have been finished in 6
> months. The bureaucrats in there featherbeds are just playing switch...
with
> each other (get my drift?). We, the taxpayers, are paying for this bunch
of
> idiots.Write your congressmen and tell them of your dissatisfaction and if
> he does nothing pack your caucus with like minded people and see that he
is
> not on the next ballot (only seated people can vote). I know that this
works
> as we do not have a "special" fuel tax on general aviation av gas here in
> Texas. It was proposed but died before ever making it to the house floor.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Wright Bros Flight...
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Hum, it sure looked the guy pilot drove the flyer into the mud:-)
> > Seriously, hope they, male or female, get/got another chance today to
get
> > it off the ground.
> >
> >
> > Dana Overall
> > Richmond, KY
> > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> > Finish kit
> > Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
> > http://rvflying.tripod.com
> > do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 36
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>
>
> Time: 03:11:44 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: RV-List: vortex generators
> From: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>
> The RV series (at least the -3, -4, -6) have very little adverse yaw
> (and the wings on the Super 6 are clipped 7 inches)--in fact, if you
> were not a perfectionist you could just keep your feet on the floor.
> Best way to fly with adverse yaw is to fly a glider--swing that tail
> around.
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 05:12 PM, John wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
> >
> > Oh, I didn't read Glenn's message too closely...he asked about ADVERSE
> > yaw -
> > well the RV has so little that it is never a consideration...I was
> > speaking
> > of inadvertent yaw caused by flying in turbulence...that's where the
> > difference seemed to come in....turning in a 'spam can' where you need
> > rudder/aileron coordination to handle adverse yaw is something I don't
> > see
> > in my RV. Heavy atmospheric turbulence would normally twist the RV
> > around
> > fairly heavily.
> >
> > John
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 37
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>
>
> Time: 03:24:29 PM PST US
> From: Bill Dube <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
> Subject: RV-List: Tundra Tires?
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
>
> I've seen pictures of floats on an RV, but has anyone tried Tundra
tires
> on an RV? (I didn't find anything in the archives.)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 38
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>
>
> Time: 03:31:57 PM PST US
> From: "Trampas" <tstern@nc.rr.com>
> Subject: RE: RV-List: IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ?
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Trampas" <tstern@nc.rr.com>
>
> Of course I think that www.sterntech.com has the best, but I designed it.
>
> Regards,
> Trampas
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ronnie Brown
> Subject: Re: RV-List: IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ?
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ronnie Brown" <romott@adelphia.net>
>
> I agree - the GRT EIS 4000 is a great value, takes up very little panel
> space (mine is at the bottom of the radio stack), alarms limits can be set
> on about any input, and support is great! The display is very visible in
> any light and the character size is large enough for my old eyes to read
> easily,
>
> I use mine like an educated idiot light. I don't have to scan any engine
> instruments - the EIS lets me know if anything is out of limits. After
110
> hours of flying with it, I haven't found ANYTHING I don't like about it.
It
> is easily customizable, alarms are easily set, and it has an RS232 output
> for recording engine data to a laptop. I just used it to do the GAMI fuel
> injector balance test. It worked perfectly.
>
> The engine leaning functions are described at
> http://hometown.aol.com/enginfosys/leanpage.htm . The digital leaning page
> are easier to read and understand than the fancy bar graphs IMHO.
>
> I had planned on the VM-1000 but glad I didn't pay the additional bucks
and
> take up the additional limited panel space. My understanding is he VM has
> very limited to non existent user customizing available. What see you get
> is what you get.
>
> Ronnie Brown
>
>
> Time: 10:36:32 AM PST US
> From: RV8ter@aol.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ?
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
>
> Thanks Mickey. I didn't know the page was traversable via grip switch.
How
> difficult is it to tailor the info on each page and the actual pages you
> wantto see? How does the leaning function actually work in practice?
>
> thx,
> lucky
>
> In a message dated 12/16/2003 1:13:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> rmickey@ix.netcom.com writes:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" <rmickey@ix.netcom.com>
>
> > Anyone have a strong opinion on using the IK-2000 vs Rocky Mountain
Engine
> > monitor vs the Grand Rapids EIS? Any other brand I left out? I don't
> want
> > to spend $4k+ for engine info so I've been looking at these systems
> without
> > a clear winner coming up.
>
> I went witht e GRT based on value/features. One thing you need to
determine
> is how involved you want to be in monitoring your engine systems. Steam
> gauges show you everything at once and require you to scan them on a
regular
> basis to determine if anything is out-of-whack. Large display solid state
> units let you scan everything at a glace and add the warning feature. I
> decided early on that I wanted the engine monitor to do the scaning for me
> and warn me when something is amiss and I wanted to minimize panel space.
> The GRT 4000 fits the bill. It automatically goes to the appropriate page
> when something is out of range. The customizable first two pages allow
you
> to pick those items you are most interested in seeing right away. My home
> page shows rpm/MP, oil temp and pressure, fuel flow, fuel pressure and
> highest EGT. I have a switch on my Infinity grip that forwards and
reverses
> the pages on the monitor. These two features, customizable pages and
stick
> controlled paging, make the unit extremely efficient to meet my needs.
>
> Ross Mickey
> RV6A
> N9PT
> 18 hours and counting
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 39
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>
>
> Time: 03:44:34 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: RV-List: vortex generators
> From: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>
> I've had the vortex generators since 2001. They don't do their stuff
> until you get slow--and then--it's pretty much magic--I love flying
> slow (on the edge)--if you don't like it, don't complain--buy a car.
>
> The RV-6, at least, has a yaw problem in turbulence. You can't wish
> it away.
>
>
> Boyd.
> RV-Super 6
> Venice, FL
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 05:05 PM, John wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
> >
> > I have no idea why it SEEMS to make some difference in yaw reduction.
> > The
> > whole thing is a subjective feeling. The only rough and ready 'test' I
> > could
> > concieve of is to have to fairly identical RV's fly together in the
> > same
> > conditions and see what difference there is. Unfortunately it isn't
> > practical to fly the single plane with the vortex generators and then
> > without in the same conditions...to awkward and conditions change too
> > fast.
> > Someone else had suggested they noticed a yaw reduction with their
> > vortex
> > generators; I had rather forgoten about it until I was getting kicked
> > around
> > so much today, and it occured to me how the yaw that I used to see just
> > wasn't there. Obviously one flight does not a conclusion make, but
> > there's
> > something going on.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-> _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > >
> >
> >
> Boyd.
> RV-Super 6
> Venice, FL
>
> do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 40
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>
>
> Time: 04:32:13 PM PST US
> From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Wright Bros Flight...
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
>
> >From: "Boss" <bossone@cox.net>
> >To revitalize the interest of the youngsters in aviation there needs to
be
> >a
> >house keeping at the FAA. We, the taxpayers, are paying for this bunch of
> >idiots.Write your congressmen and tell them of your dissatisfaction and
if
> >he does nothing pack your caucus with like minded people and see that he
is
> >not on the next ballot (only seated people can vote).
>
> Well Boss..........I hope you feel better getting that off your chest:-)
> Although I certainly don't see much wrong with your post, do me a favor
> though, next time change the subject line and drop my quote off the
bottom.
> Deal??
>
>
> Anybody heard when they are going to try it again. As Jim Sears said in a
> private email, that fabric had to be saturated adding extra weight to an
> already marginally flyable machine. Add the water on the rail adding
drag,
> it's no wonder they ran the thing into the mud at the end of the rail.
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> Finish kit
> Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
> http://rvflying.tripod.com
> do not archive
>
> Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home.
> http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 41
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>
>
> Time: 04:36:06 PM PST US
> From: "Steve Gandy" <s.gandy@comcast.net>
> Subject: RV-List: RV-4 Kit for Sale
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Gandy" <s.gandy@comcast.net>
>
> Hi RV List
>
> Some time back I planned to build a RV-4, purchased the wing and
> empennage kit. I started building the horizontal stabilizer, then got
> busy at work and didn't work on it for a couple of years. In 2001 I
> lost my medical, and after more than 2 years of fighting with the FAA I
> got it back in October, but only for 6 months. It has become very
> costly too much trouble to pursue, so I will be applying for the new
> Sport Pilot license. The bottom line is, I need to sell my RV-4 wing
> and empennage kit. The wing kit is the standard RV-4 wing and is
> unopened. The empennage kit is the standard empennage kit with the
> heavy skins and the only work that has been done is on the horizontal
> stabilizer. The skins are drilled, not dimpled. I want to sell the
> wing and empennage kit together and I am asking $4,000 for them. I am
> located in Fresno, CA.
>
> Steve Gandy
> s.gandy@comcast.net
> Aeronca L-3C N48540
> Kitfox 6 N540KF (Building)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 42
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>
>
> Time: 05:27:27 PM PST US
> From: "Randy Compton" <thecomptons@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to
celebrate?
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Compton" <thecomptons@bellsouth.net>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Eaves" <doneaves@midsouth.rr.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to
> celebrate?
>
>
> > What did you do today to celebrate 100 years of powered flight?
> >
> > Don Eaves
> > doneaves@midsouth.rr.com
> > RV 6 Flying 200 + Hrs.
>
> Like others on the "List", I flew today...but I had to settle on flying
the
> Cub. The exhaust pipe on my #4 cylinder broke off at the flange at the
> cylinder head while flying yesterday.
>
> What a picture-perfect day here! Severe VFR with 18 knots of post-cold
> front wind right down the runway. Tower caught on to what I was up to
when
> I hung out in the hold-short for a while before calling for takeoff
> clearance at 1034 1/2 EST. Then, when I also asked for "the option", they
> really were on to me. At 1035 I gave the Cub about half throttle - with
the
> good wind straight on the beak it was in the air VERY quickly - I flew
down
> the runway about 20 feet or so in the air, and after counting 12 seconds I
> eased it back down and taxied back in. Made for a great logbook entry.
>
> So, while I didn't get to fly my RV, I rationalized it away by at least
> knowing I was flying a plane only a few steps improved over the Flyer.
>
> That's what I did today to celebrate 100 years of powered flight...that,
and
> also give thanks to God that this incredible invention has allowed me to
> earn a pretty darn good living all the while having fun doing it!
>
> Randy Compton
> RV-3 N148CW
> Gulf Breeze, FL
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 43
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>
>
> Time: 06:02:04 PM PST US
> From: "David Taylor" <rv7@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to
celebrate?
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "David Taylor" <rv7@cox.net>
>
> I had to work all day (Regular job during the day and reserves at night)
> but I was able to do something to commemorate the day. I ordered my engine
> today (0-360). Since I can't fly I guess I'll go cut some stiffeners for
my
> fuel tank. Isn't aviation wonderful? We've come so far in only 100 years.
> Thanks Orville and Wilbur.
>
> Do not archive
>
> -David Taylor
> Warner Robins, GA
> RV-6A Wings
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Eaves" <doneaves@midsouth.rr.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to
> celebrate?
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Don Eaves" <doneaves@midsouth.rr.com>
> >
> > I pulled my RV6 from the hangar and flew to OLV and witnesses the FIRST
> flight of a Pitts 12.
> > I was the Technical counselor on the aircraft for over 4 years.
> > The past few weeks have been exciting. What an accomplishment after 4 +
> years -
> > A first flight on Dec 17 2003. Congratulations Dave Robinson on your 1st
> flight!
> >
> > A TV crew came out from FOX 13 news and interviewed Dave and I was asked
> to fly the camera man in my RV6 - Now how do you get 2 Grown men and a BIG
> camera in a RV6 - It was not easy -
> > Thanks Orville and Wilbur Wright!
> >
> > What did you do today to celebrate 100 years of powered flight?
> >
> > Don Eaves
> > doneaves@midsouth.rr.com
> > RV 6 Flying 200 + Hrs.
> >
> > Do Not Archive
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 44
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>
>
> Time: 06:14:12 PM PST US
> From: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to
celebrate?
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
>
> Wish I "had to settle" flying a Cub!
> Glenn in Arizona -9A Wings, Fuselage ordered.
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> >
> > > What did you do today to celebrate 100 years of powered flight?
> > >
> > > Don Eaves
> > > doneaves@midsouth.rr.com
> > > RV 6 Flying 200 + Hrs.
> >
> > Like others on the "List", I flew today...but I had to settle on flying
> the
> > Cub.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 45
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>
>
> Time: 06:52:19 PM PST US
> From: "Don Mack" <don@dmack.net>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to
celebrate?
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Don Mack" <don@dmack.net>
>
> It was dark when I went to work, dark when I left work. I flew my IFO park
> flyer in the parking lot.
>
> do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 46
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>
>
> Time: 07:04:12 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: RV-List: vortex generators
> From: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>
> I did. You first put them on with tape on the wings. The VGs don't
> make any change in the turbulence yaw (that's a rudder/VS
> thing)--unless you're going to fly at 60 KIAS, all the time.
>
> Boyd.
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 05:05 PM, John wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
> >
> > I have no idea why it SEEMS to make some difference in yaw reduction.
> > The
> > whole thing is a subjective feeling. The only rough and ready 'test' I
> > could
> > concieve of is to have to fairly identical RV's fly together in the
> > same
> > conditions and see what difference there is. Unfortunately it isn't
> > practical to fly the single plane with the vortex generators and then
> > without in the same conditions...to awkward and conditions change too
> > fast.
> > Someone else had suggested they noticed a yaw reduction with their
> > vortex
> > generators; I had rather forgoten about it until I was getting kicked
> > around
> > so much today, and it occured to me how the yaw that I used to see just
> > wasn't there. Obviously one flight does not a conclusion make, but
> > there's
> > something going on.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-> _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > >
> >
> >
> Boyd.
> RV-Super 6
> Venice, FL
>
> do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 47
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>
>
> Time: 07:18:53 PM PST US
> From: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
> Subject: RV-List: 100 years
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
>
> Well,
>
> today was a great day to celebrate 100 years of powered flight by flying
> around Southern California. I did have one incident though. At about 40
kts
> taking off from Big Bear the canpoy latch popped open. It didn't unlatch
but
> the overcenter was un-overcentered.
>
> The interesting thing was that it made loud pop noise, then things got
> abnormally windy. I saw the handle and went to reclose it, but the plane
was
> still taking off, so I readjusted my priorities and aborted the take-off
as
> I really have no idea, nor any interest in finding out what it would do if
I
> didn't get it re-latched tight.
>
> I apparently didn't get the handle twisted all the way over center when
> closing it, because I could find nothing wrong with it, and it worked fine
> for the rest of the day. It is nice to know that it will talk to you right
> about the time you are thinking about pulling back on the stick.
>
> W
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 48
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>
>
> Time: 07:29:08 PM PST US
> From: "Joe Hine" <joehine@rogers.com>
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to
celebrate?
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Joe Hine" <joehine@rogers.com>
>
> I had to settle as well.. We had a big snow fall two days ago and Weyman
> Airpark where C-FYTQ lives was snowed in. I went to the main airport
(YFC)
> and flew in a PA28 with a friend. Flew over to Weyman and did a low pass
to
> say I was sorry to be flying someone else. I was doing orbits over town
at
> the magic moment in formation with another Cherokee. Spent the whole day
at
> the airport talking with other and generally enjoying the day. Many
pilots
> were there doing some flying to commemorate the day. The weather was
barely
> VFR, so I think it discouraged a few.
>
> Joe Hine
> RV4 C-FYTQ 240hrs....but hibernating for a few months now.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Glenn Brasch
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to
> celebrate?
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
>
> Wish I "had to settle" flying a Cub!
> Glenn in Arizona -9A Wings, Fuselage ordered.
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> >
> > > What did you do today to celebrate 100 years of powered flight?
> > >
> > > Don Eaves
> > > doneaves@midsouth.rr.com
> > > RV 6 Flying 200 + Hrs.
> >
> > Like others on the "List", I flew today...but I had to settle on flying
> the
> > Cub.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 49
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>
>
> Time: 08:08:20 PM PST US
> From: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV7 Electric elevator trim
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
>
> I jacked around with this thing for a couple of hours myself trying to
> figure out full up then full down trim and the correct size to cut the
rod.
> I ultimately moved on but it's on my TO DO list of things I need to come
> back and wrap up. Please share any info you get.
>
> Karie Daniel
> RV-7A
> Sammamish, WA
>
> (jacking around with the wings now) :-)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Antenbring" <mantenbring@pangaeainc.com>
> Subject: RV-List: RV7 Electric elevator trim
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Mark Antenbring
> <mantenbring@pangaeainc.com>
> >
> > So far the empennage instructions provide a lot of detail and
> hand-holding,
> > but when I get to the electric elevator trim, it's a big mystery. I've
had
> > to make a lot of assumptions in that area so far. The next assumption I
> have
> > to make is that I have to cut the threaded bolt (trim push rod) to a
> proper
> > length, unless I want the trim tab sticking up full time. That would
cause
> > some forward stick pressure eh? Has any one got an accurate method to
cut
> > this push rod to length? Is a hacksaw ok to use on this rod?
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 50
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>
>
> Time: 08:51:06 PM PST US
> Subject: RV-List: [ Jim Jewell ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
> From: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares
<pictures@matronics.com>
>
>
> A new Email List Photo Share is available:
>
> Poster: Jim Jewell <jjewell@telus.net>
>
>
> Subject: Homemade Baffle Pass Through Fitting
>
>
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/jjewell@telus.net.12.17.2003/index.html
>
>
> o Main Photo Share Index
>
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
>
> o Submitting a Photo Share
>
> If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include
the
> following information along with your email message and files:
>
> 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to:
> 2) Your Full Name:
> 3) Your Email Address:
> 4) One line Subject description:
> 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic:
> 6) One-line Description of each photo or file:
>
> Email the information above and your files and photos to:
>
> pictures@matronics.com
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 51
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>
>
> Time: 09:01:55 PM PST US
> From: "Ross Mickey" <rmickey@ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ?
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" <rmickey@ix.netcom.com>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <RV8ter@aol.com>
>
> > How difficult is it to tailor the info on each page and the actual
pages
> you
> > want to see?
>
> Not difficult. Greg provides a worksheet that makes it easy to lay out
what
> you want and input into the unit.
>
> > How does the leaning function actually work in practice?
>
> Very well. I can either monitor the actual temp of the hottest cylinder
> that is displayed on my home page or I can go to the leaning page. On the
> first, you have to see what the peak temp is then enrichen till you are
> 50-100 from peak. On the leaning page, the actual temperature changes to
> degrees from peak once the cylinder reaches peak. Makes it a bit easier.
> The unit has other functions to help when you change altitudes and peak
may
> change. I don't use the bar graph function.
>
> Ross
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 52
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>
>
> Time: 09:34:43 PM PST US
> From: "Cammie Patch" <cammie@sunvalley.net>
> Subject: RV-List: What did you do today to celebrate?
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Cammie Patch" <cammie@sunvalley.net>
>
>
> I celebrated the 100 years by giving flight instruction as I do most days.
> Two flights in Cessnas, one in an Archer. The local Boise NBC affiliate
came
> down and interviewed me for my thoughts on aviation and the new licenses.
> They asked me if the new format would in any way discourage terrorists. I
> told them that you don't need any piece of paper (or plastic) to buy and
fly
> an aircraft. Fortunately that was edited out, some people might take it
> wrong. It was hard to put into words just what flying means to me without
> getting choked up a little and looking like a dork. Oh well.
>
> I get to fly around all day in little airplanes. Even after 3 years of
full
> time instructing, it's still a thrill to fling a little airplane around
the
> sky, and especially to share the joy of someone elses first flight, first
> solo, and checkride.
>
> Cammie Patch
> RV7a ailerons
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 53
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>
>
> Time: 10:36:28 PM PST US
> From: Blanton Fortson <blanton@alaska.net>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: vortex generators
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Blanton Fortson <blanton@alaska.net>
>
> VG's on both sides of the VS may affect yaw qualities ... they may
> create an effect like a "virtually" larger VS. I know the VG's on the
> underside of my HS dramatically increased elevator authority as if the
> HS and elevator were larger.
>
> B.
>
>
> On Dec 17, 2003, at 6:01 PM, Boyd Braem wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
> >
> > I did. You first put them on with tape on the wings. The VGs don't
> > make any change in the turbulence yaw (that's a rudder/VS
> > thing)--unless you're going to fly at 60 KIAS, all the time.
> >
> > Boyd.
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 05:05 PM, John wrote:
> >
> >> --> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
> >>
> >> I have no idea why it SEEMS to make some difference in yaw reduction.
> >> The
> >> whole thing is a subjective feeling. The only rough and ready 'test' I
> >> could
> >> concieve of is to have to fairly identical RV's fly together in the
> >> same
> >> conditions and see what difference there is. Unfortunately it isn't
> >> practical to fly the single plane with the vortex generators and then
> >> without in the same conditions...to awkward and conditions change too
> >> fast.
> >> Someone else had suggested they noticed a yaw reduction with their
> >> vortex
> >> generators; I had rather forgoten about it until I was getting kicked
> >> around
> >> so much today, and it occured to me how the yaw that I used to see
> >> just
> >> wasn't there. Obviously one flight does not a conclusion make, but
> >> there's
> >> something going on.
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >>
> >> _-
> >> ======================================================================
> >> >> _-> _-
> >> ======================================================================
> >> >> _-
> >> ======================================================================
> >> >> _-
> >> ======================================================================
> >> >> _-
> >> ======================================================================
> >> >>>
> >>
> >>
> > Boyd.
> > RV-Super 6
> > Venice, FL
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-> _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 54
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>
>
> Time: 11:32:10 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: RV-List: vortex generators
> From: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>
> No, the VGs are on the wings--unless you have a Lear jet, why would you
> need VGs on the tail?
>
> Do VGs make up for bad pilot skills?
>
>
> On Thursday, December 18, 2003, at 01:35 AM, Blanton Fortson wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Blanton Fortson <blanton@alaska.net>
> >
> > VG's on both sides of the VS may affect yaw qualities ... they may
> > create an effect like a "virtually" larger VS. I know the VG's on the
> > underside of my HS dramatically increased elevator authority as if the
> > HS and elevator were larger.
> >
> > B.
> >
> >
> > On Dec 17, 2003, at 6:01 PM, Boyd Braem wrote:
> >
> >> --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
> >>
> >> I did. You first put them on with tape on the wings. The VGs don't
> >> make any change in the turbulence yaw (that's a rudder/VS
> >> thing)--unless you're going to fly at 60 KIAS, all the time.
> >>
> >> Boyd.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 05:05 PM, John wrote:
> >>
> >>> --> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
> >>>
> >>> I have no idea why it SEEMS to make some difference in yaw reduction.
> >>> The
> >>> whole thing is a subjective feeling. The only rough and ready 'test'
> >>> I
> >>> could
> >>> concieve of is to have to fairly identical RV's fly together in the
> >>> same
> >>> conditions and see what difference there is. Unfortunately it isn't
> >>> practical to fly the single plane with the vortex generators and then
> >>> without in the same conditions...to awkward and conditions change too
> >>> fast.
> >>> Someone else had suggested they noticed a yaw reduction with their
> >>> vortex
> >>> generators; I had rather forgoten about it until I was getting kicked
> >>> around
> >>> so much today, and it occured to me how the yaw that I used to see
> >>> just
> >>> wasn't there. Obviously one flight does not a conclusion make, but
> >>> there's
> >>> something going on.
> >>>
> >>> John
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _-
> >>> =====================================================================
> >>> >>>>> _-> _-
> >>> =====================================================================
> >>> >>>>> _-
> >>> =====================================================================
> >>> >>>>> _-
> >>> =====================================================================
> >>> >>>>> _-
> >>> =====================================================================
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Boyd.
> >> RV-Super 6
> >> Venice, FL
> >>
> >> do not archive
> >>
> >>
> >> _-
> >> ======================================================================
> >> >> _-> _-
> >> ======================================================================
> >> >> _-
> >> ======================================================================
> >> >> _-
> >> ======================================================================
> >> >> _-
> >> ======================================================================
> >> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-> _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > >
> >
> >
> Boyd.
> RV-Super 6
> Venice, FL
>
> do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 55
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>
>
> Time: 11:41:06 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: RV-List: 100 years
> From: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>
> With a slider on the -6, I have flown with the canopy open to 80
> KIAS--needs lot of forward stick.
>
> do not archive
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 10:18 PM, Wheeler North wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
> >
> > Well,
> >
> > today was a great day to celebrate 100 years of powered flight by
> > flying
> > around Southern California. I did have one incident though. At about
> > 40 kts
> > taking off from Big Bear the canpoy latch popped open. It didn't
> > unlatch but
> > the overcenter was un-overcentered.
> >
> > The interesting thing was that it made loud pop noise, then things got
> > abnormally windy. I saw the handle and went to reclose it, but the
> > plane was
> > still taking off, so I readjusted my priorities and aborted the
> > take-off as
> > I really have no idea, nor any interest in finding out what it would
> > do if I
> > didn't get it re-latched tight.
> >
> > I apparently didn't get the handle twisted all the way over center when
> > closing it, because I could find nothing wrong with it, and it worked
> > fine
> > for the rest of the day. It is nice to know that it will talk to you
> > right
> > about the time you are thinking about pulling back on the stick.
> >
> > W
> >
> >
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-> _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > >
> >
> >
> Boyd.
> RV-Super 6
> Venice, FL
>
> do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 56
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>
>
> Time: 11:46:57 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: RV-List: 100 years
> From: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>
> 40 KIAS???--Oh--on take-off--my apologies.
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 10:18 PM, Wheeler North wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
> >
> > Well,
> >
> > today was a great day to celebrate 100 years of powered flight by
> > flying
> > around Southern California. I did have one incident though. At about
> > 40 kts
> > taking off from Big Bear the canpoy latch popped open. It didn't
> > unlatch but
> > the overcenter was un-overcentered.
> >
> > The interesting thing was that it made loud pop noise, then things got
> > abnormally windy. I saw the handle and went to reclose it, but the
> > plane was
> > still taking off, so I readjusted my priorities and aborted the
> > take-off as
> > I really have no idea, nor any interest in finding out what it would
> > do if I
> > didn't get it re-latched tight.
> >
> > I apparently didn't get the handle twisted all the way over center when
> > closing it, because I could find nothing wrong with it, and it worked
> > fine
> > for the rest of the day. It is nice to know that it will talk to you
> > right
> > about the time you are thinking about pulling back on the stick.
> >
> > W
> >
> >
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-> _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > >
> >
> >
> Boyd.
> RV-Super 6
> Venice, FL
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: more on: Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera |
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
Video camera "MIC" jack? Audio IN.
My past experience with the "MIC" input to a video camera has been the camera
automatic gain control. If there is no outside noise, the automatic gain
increases to a level that it has noise (static). Probably not a problem with the
engine running, though.
Jim Ayers
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"rocket-list" <rocket-list@matronics.com>
| Subject: | Re: To Cork or not to Cork? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
My Bonnie looked into a gas tank,
The height of its contents to see..
She lit a small match to assist her,
Oh bring back my Bonnie to me.
KABONG. 8*) (GBA) Merry Christmas ya'll.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
P.S.: Got some great video of So. Cal RV's fly over, overhead break and taxi
formation of the 10 RV's at APV. on the 17TH. Will make copies and edit out
my shoes when getting Paul Rays attention during still photo opp. WHATA
SHOW.....
See dare, I did make this post RV related, no accidents so there is no need
to re-build.
- Original Message -----
From: <Leesafur@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: To Cork or not to Cork?
> "No flame intended"
> Lee
> Anoka MN
> RV-3 Wing
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| Subject: | Re: Free Steamboat Condo... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
Hey Bill, how about an RV list party up there some weekend when you will be
around. You know; beers, brunettes (sorry Chuck), hangar talk, sick skiing,
and whatever.... We'll all chip in.
Andy
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Free Steamboat Condo...
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>
> We should just all show up there, throw out money in a pile and drink some
> beers!
>
> Merry Christmas!!! HO HO HO!!!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Free Steamboat Condo...
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> Andy, Thanks for the "local perspective". BTW, can I borrow your
credit
> card number? Bill said O.K., but he just needs a little financial help
> with granting my.... "Dreaming of a White Christmas". :-}
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Aircraft Technical Book Company <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Free Steamboat Condo...
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company"
> <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
> >
> > Sorry Chuck, but Steamboat is known for its brunettes. Got some nice
> cliffs
> > to launch from too - if you know where to find them. Too bad. I guess
> Bill
> > will have to give his condo to someone else.
> >
> > Andy
> > Winter Park, CO
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: C. Rabaut <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Free Steamboat Condo...
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> > >
> > > Thank you Bill, you are sooo GENEROUS.
> > >
> > > I will be happy to take it... I just need you to do a "few"
additional
> > > things for me.
> > > #1. Please call my boss (Chief John Gomes 559-935-152?). Gently
> > explain
> > > to him that I have been called away on a family emergency of some sort
> (I
> > > don't know what kind, just make something up & make it dramatic!).
> > > #2. Please call the airlines (the commercial folks) and get 2
tickets,
> > > round trip from Fresno to Steamboat Springs; for my wife & youngest
Sun.
> > > Me & my oldest Sun will take my RV-4 (see I'm saving you some money,
> isn't
> > > that thoughtful of me?).
> > > #3. Please call a ski-shop in Steamboat Springs (no... I don't know
> > "what"
> > > ski-shop! I've never been to Steamboat Springs; Any ski-shop is
> FINE...)
> > > and rent 4 sets of skis and 2 sets of snowboarding equipment (me & my
> Suns
> > > wanta try snow boarding too).
> > > #4. Please call a nice hotel & make arrangements for a "Mr. & Mrs.
> Smith"
> > > for any 2 nights they have available. Then call a local Escort
> > Service...
> > > now this is important, I like blondes but a red head will do in a
pinch!
> > > But no more brunettes! (Don't ask!).
> > > #5. I'll send you the rest of my list later...
> > >
> > > Thanks again for being sooo Generous! And take care,
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > > do not archive
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
> > > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rv8list@yahoogroups.com>; vansairforce
> > > <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: RV-List: Free Steamboat Condo...
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, this is not airplane related...
> > > >
> > > > Ok, so I know this is short notice, but I have a 2br, 2ba condo at
> > > Steamboat Springs, CO available next week, Saturday, December 20th
thru
> > > Saturday, December 27th, and I am not going to be using it... I hired
> > some
> > > company to lease/sell it for me and they didn't do either, so...
> > > >
> > > > If anyone is interested in using it, just let me know and I will
give
> > you
> > > the reservation number and call them and give them your name...
> > > >
> > > > It's FREE, but donations are welcome! :
> > > > ) Let me know!
> > > >
> > > > -Bill VonDane
> > > > EAA Tech Counselor
> > > > RV-8A ~ N8WV
> > > > www.vondane.com
> > > > www.creativair.com
> > > > www.epanelbuilder.com
> > > > 719-540-1997 / 719-510-0854
> > > >
> > > > do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to celebrate? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
> What did you do today to celebrate 100 years of powered flight?
I stood in the pouring rain, soaked to the skin and listened to the
President.
I watched the EAA first flight clock count down to Zero standing right
beside the replica flyer sitting inside Ford/EAA tent while it poured rain
outside.
I flew my new RV-4 over the Wright Brothers Memorial at Kill Devil Hill.
Wow!
"What I did not do" was fly the Corsair (as advertised here) because it did
not get out of North Dakota. But that is OK, I did fly the Mustang with the
Hornet during Monday's show and it was pretty cool!
On Wednesday they scrubbed all the afternoon flying and then the WX broke.
At the airport they told us, "anybody who wanted to to go fly, go fly down
the runway at First Flight Airport! It was incredible!
In retrospect, we should have organized a group of RVs to do a flyover.
20/20 hindsight......
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
The trip home today from MQI to MCW was a fun one.....7 hours of Ifr, Ice, &
30 to 50 kt headwinds.... I climbed to 12,000 ft to get on top. Still
climbing 600 fpm @ 100 Kias with a half an inch of mixed ice, mostly
clear.... Boy am I glad I don't have a Glasair or a Lancair!!!!
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne Reese" <waynereese@qwest.net>
I put the Trutrak servo in the right wing with Trutrak's right wing kit,
as they suggested.
Wayne
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ross Mickey
Subject: Re: RV-List: Pitot Tubes
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" <rmickey@ix.netcom.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Harker" <dpharker@worldnet.att.net>
> Working on RV-7 Wings with a Gertz heated pitot tube (one bay outboard
tie
> down) and plan on installing a DigiTrack autopilot (servo gets in
way).
All
> this requires running the pitot tubes (static/dynamic) some other way.
I
am
> thinking about "pie-panning" (covering up) for lack of a better word,
the
> second lightening holes aft of the spar to hold the snap bushings for
the
> pitot tubes. Anyone done this or have a better suggestion?
> Thanks. Happy Holidays
I installed a Piper style P/S just outboard of the access panel and was
also
able to install the TruTrak servo. The P/S is aft of the servo. I cut
a
new access panel behind the servo so I could access the D sub connector
without removing the servo.
Ross Mickey
RV6A
N9PT
=
==
==
==
==
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Mickey & Paula" <mimartin@sweetwaterhsa.com>
mimartin@sweetwaterhsa.com
307-382-5621
Dear Sir:
I am writing to you express my concerns with what seems to business as usual with
government agencies. My husband is a private pilot, on February 10, 2003 he
had his physical to renew his medical certificate. He waited several months to
hear from the F.A.A. Then he asked the Experimental Aircraft Association representative
Susan Sedlachek to see if she could find out what was happening. She
told him that F.A.A. wanted additional information which my husband and the
F.A.A. approved physician provided. He then waited another few months until July
24th before he heard that he was being rejected because of hypertension, type
II diabetes and some incorrect information sent by his personal physician.
He wrote a letter with additional information and his personal physician also
wrote a letter explaining errors in original information. He sent this packet
with delivery confirmation request by U.S. Postal Service. The F.A.A. signed
this delivery confirmation card on Sept 19, 2003. This packet of information was
ignored?, misplaced? Now on December 11th he spoke with Susan Sedlachek who
again contacted F.A.A. and they had no record of the information sent in September.
He made copies of everything and resubmitted the packet by fax. We still
have no answer. If this isn't bad enough we know other pilots who have experienced
the same sort of delays and problems. There are businesses who offer to
take your paperwork from desk to desk at the F.A.A. to expedite the process.
Professional pilots have no recourse but to pay this added expense to be sure
they receive the necessary certificate to remain current. Few private pilots can
justify the expense.
In the same way the F.A.A. has now taken over 2 years to decide what rules will
apply to the new 'Sport' pilot classification. The final rule has been delayed
and delayed again, the final rule has yet to be made public.
This is not the only government agency that operates in the same manner. We have
a friend who has paid a lawyer several thousands of dollars to expedite his
application for papers to work and stay in the United States. This lawyer is to
help them understand the forms for the Immigration & Naturalization Service
and to again carry the papers from desk to desk at I.N.S.
This all seems to me very like stories I have read of third world countries where
nothing gets done without a little something the grease the hand. What is becoming
of our country?
RV6 Builder
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| Subject: | Re: Free Steamboat Condo... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>
>We should just all show up there, throw out money in a pile and drink some
>beers!
>
2's IN! You with me Gary (Zilik)?
Laird
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to celebrate? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Curt Reimer" <cgreimer@mb.sympatico.ca>
I didn't have a chance to take a flight in my RV-6 on the 17th due to the
fact that she is all fueled up and ready to launch tomorrow (Friday) morning
for the trip of a lifetime. From Winnipeg, MB Canada I will be heading
southwest though the Dakotas, Nebraska, Kansas, etc. to Tucumcari, NM for
the night, then onto Mesa (FFZ) on Saturday, wx permitting, for Christmas
with my folks. 85 hrs on the bird so far, and this will be my first flight
into the U.S., my first really long cross country and my first encounter
with mountains, although I am planning on flying the "low" route via TCS and
DMN.
Man, am I pumped! Thanks Orville and Wilbur!
Curt
RV-6 C-GACR
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| Subject: | Re: more on: Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera |
--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
I posted this a while back, but if you want to narrate your video...
Get a "lapel" mike (miniature) from Radio Shack and run it under your
headset ear cup. Then, anything you say is automatically recorded and
the ear cup attenuates most of the engine noise.
On Thursday, December 18, 2003, at 07:59 PM, LeastDrag93066@aol.com
wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
>
> Video camera "MIC" jack? Audio IN.
>
> My past experience with the "MIC" input to a video camera has been the
> camera
> automatic gain control. If there is no outside noise, the automatic
> gain
> increases to a level that it has noise (static). Probably not a
> problem with the
> engine running, though.
>
> Jim Ayers
>
>
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> >
>
>
Boyd.
RV-Super 6
Venice, FL
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: more on: Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
We just discussed this a week ago - you need a Radio Shack 42-2142A
"Attenuating Audio Cable" (1/8 mono jacks on each end) plus a 274-325
mono-to-mono Audio Adapter (accepts 1/2" mono phone plug, fits 1/4" mono
phone jack)" It is always the case that aircraft intercom and radio audio
amplitude is too great to be handled by an audio or video recorder which
causes distortion, not static. You have to reduce the amplitude. The cited
attenuating cable has a resister inside that cuts the amplitude going into
the recorder. I just flight tested mine last week and it worked.
David
----- Original Message -----
From: <LeastDrag93066@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: more on: Cockpit "Audio out" to videocamera
> --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
>
> Video camera "MIC" jack? Audio IN.
>
> My past experience with the "MIC" input to a video camera has been the
camera
> automatic gain control. If there is no outside noise, the automatic gain
> increases to a level that it has noise (static). Probably not a problem
with the
> engine running, though.
>
> Jim Ayers
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Free Steamboat Condo... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
sounds like a plan! maybe next year!
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Free Steamboat Condo...
--> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company"
<winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
Hey Bill, how about an RV list party up there some weekend when you will be
around. You know; beers, brunettes (sorry Chuck), hangar talk, sick skiing,
and whatever.... We'll all chip in.
Andy
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Free Steamboat Condo...
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>
> We should just all show up there, throw out money in a pile and drink some
> beers!
>
> Merry Christmas!!! HO HO HO!!!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Free Steamboat Condo...
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> Andy, Thanks for the "local perspective". BTW, can I borrow your
credit
> card number? Bill said O.K., but he just needs a little financial help
> with granting my.... "Dreaming of a White Christmas". :-}
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Aircraft Technical Book Company <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Free Steamboat Condo...
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company"
> <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
> >
> > Sorry Chuck, but Steamboat is known for its brunettes. Got some nice
> cliffs
> > to launch from too - if you know where to find them. Too bad. I guess
> Bill
> > will have to give his condo to someone else.
> >
> > Andy
> > Winter Park, CO
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: C. Rabaut <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Free Steamboat Condo...
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> > >
> > > Thank you Bill, you are sooo GENEROUS.
> > >
> > > I will be happy to take it... I just need you to do a "few"
additional
> > > things for me.
> > > #1. Please call my boss (Chief John Gomes 559-935-152?). Gently
> > explain
> > > to him that I have been called away on a family emergency of some sort
> (I
> > > don't know what kind, just make something up & make it dramatic!).
> > > #2. Please call the airlines (the commercial folks) and get 2
tickets,
> > > round trip from Fresno to Steamboat Springs; for my wife & youngest
Sun.
> > > Me & my oldest Sun will take my RV-4 (see I'm saving you some money,
> isn't
> > > that thoughtful of me?).
> > > #3. Please call a ski-shop in Steamboat Springs (no... I don't know
> > "what"
> > > ski-shop! I've never been to Steamboat Springs; Any ski-shop is
> FINE...)
> > > and rent 4 sets of skis and 2 sets of snowboarding equipment (me & my
> Suns
> > > wanta try snow boarding too).
> > > #4. Please call a nice hotel & make arrangements for a "Mr. & Mrs.
> Smith"
> > > for any 2 nights they have available. Then call a local Escort
> > Service...
> > > now this is important, I like blondes but a red head will do in a
pinch!
> > > But no more brunettes! (Don't ask!).
> > > #5. I'll send you the rest of my list later...
> > >
> > > Thanks again for being sooo Generous! And take care,
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > > do not archive
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
> > > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rv8list@yahoogroups.com>; vansairforce
> > > <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: RV-List: Free Steamboat Condo...
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, this is not airplane related...
> > > >
> > > > Ok, so I know this is short notice, but I have a 2br, 2ba condo at
> > > Steamboat Springs, CO available next week, Saturday, December 20th
thru
> > > Saturday, December 27th, and I am not going to be using it... I hired
> > some
> > > company to lease/sell it for me and they didn't do either, so...
> > > >
> > > > If anyone is interested in using it, just let me know and I will
give
> > you
> > > the reservation number and call them and give them your name...
> > > >
> > > > It's FREE, but donations are welcome! :
> > > > ) Let me know!
> > > >
> > > > -Bill VonDane
> > > > EAA Tech Counselor
> > > > RV-8A ~ N8WV
> > > > www.vondane.com
> > > > www.creativair.com
> > > > www.epanelbuilder.com
> > > > 719-540-1997 / 719-510-0854
> > > >
> > > > do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Dec 17th - The RV grin |
--> RV-List message posted by: Warren W Hurd <warren@ahyup.com>
I celebrated Dec 17th by getting in a RV for the first time.
Seen plenty of RV's but have never been in one. Gave myself a good grin.
See me in a RV at http://ahyup.com/beta/
Warren
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| Subject: | Flight test reviews |
--> RV-List message posted by: Blanton Fortson <blanton@alaska.net>
Has anyone out there got an article in electronic form on an RV-9
flight test or flight review? Or perhaps a pointer to such?
Thanks.
Blanton Fortson
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