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1. 05:17 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 07/27/04 (GreenoL)
2. 05:34 AM - Re: First flight (richard dudley)
3. 07:00 AM - Update on the left stick, right stick question. (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
4. 07:07 AM - RV-List Removing swirls @ micro scratches from canopy (Philip Condon)
5. 07:30 AM - Re: Pledge? (RV_8 Pilot)
6. 07:38 AM - Delivery of your Quickbuild Kit? (Mike Nellis)
7. 07:51 AM - Re: Delivery of your Quickbuild Kit? (Doug Brinlee)
8. 07:58 AM - experimental aircraft presentation (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
9. 08:24 AM - osk kosh product update (lucky macy)
10. 08:38 AM - Re: Pledge? (David E. Nelson)
11. 09:17 AM - Builders risk insurance (YonderRDC@aol.com)
12. 09:35 AM - Re: [SPAM] osk kosh product update (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
13. 11:29 AM - Canopy crack repair question (HCRV6@aol.com)
14. 11:38 AM - Re: Canopy crack repair question (JusCash@aol.com)
15. 06:49 PM - Re: osk kosh product update (Eustace Bowhay)
16. 09:18 PM - RV -7 kit wanted (Doug Brinlee)
17. 10:33 PM - Re: RV -7 kit wanted (Laird Owens)
18. 10:58 PM - Re: Canopy crack repair question (linn walters)
19. 11:46 PM - Re: Canopy crack repair question (Mickey Coggins)
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| Subject: | RE: RV-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 07/27/04 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "GreenoL" <GreenoL@roberts.edu>
Re: CHT's - Opening bottom cowl
Jason; I built and fly an RV-6A with an O-320 160hp; 140 plus hrs. on
it. CHT and oil temp have always been high on hot, humid days (CHT
200-240 Celcius; OT 200-210 Celcius). Only recently I opened up the
bottom of the cowl where all the nosewheel gear tubing exits. This was
done on the recommendation of a fellow RV-6A pilot who had done
similarly with his 6A with very positive results. Upon next flight I
immediately observed an approximate 15-20 degree Cecius drop in OT, and
Similar results in CHT. My 6A has a single CHT probe, currently located
on #3, but fixtures allow moving the probe to each cylinder, which I've
yet to do. All this is preliminary, but I am convinced that more
opening was needed at the exit and the initial results are very
encouraging.
RV-6A N446A EAA Chapter 44
Rochester, NY
-----Original Message-----
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Subject: RV-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 07/27/04
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Total Messages Posted Tue 07/27/04: 17
Today's Message Index:
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1. 03:58 AM - Fuse Blocks on a slider. (Dana Overall)
2. 04:05 AM - RV9A wing tip pictures (Danny Lawhon)
3. 05:57 AM - Re: Fuse Blocks on a slider. (Ralph E. Capen)
4. 06:27 AM - Blast tubes - Necessary or not? (RV_8 Pilot)
5. 07:50 AM - Re: Pledge? (steve blackwell)
6. 08:36 AM - Re: Cylinder Head temps (Matt Jurotich)
7. 09:45 AM - Re: Pledge? (Larry Bowen)
8. 10:17 AM - First flight (PGLong@aol.com)
9. 10:33 AM - Re: Pledge? (Scott Vanartsdalen)
10. 11:00 AM - Re: Pledge? (George P. Tyler)
11. 01:07 PM - Re: Pledge? (Brian Denk)
12. 01:09 PM - Re: CHT temperatures (John Furey)
13. 04:23 PM - Hooker Harness Seat Belts (Tommy Walker)
14. 05:27 PM - Painting the Dynon pitot tube (Leland)
15. 05:28 PM - Re: CHT tempatures (Kyle Boatright)
16. 07:01 PM - RV-List Digest: 28 Msgs - 07/26/04
(YonderRDC@aol.com)
17. 08:26 PM - Re: First flight (Charles Rowbotham)
________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
Time: 03:58:27 AM PST US
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: Fuse Blocks on a slider.
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Does anyone know a good website showing picture locations for a battery,
main and essential set of blocks for a 6 or 7 slider?
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg
do not archive
________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
Time: 04:05:37 AM PST US
From: Danny Lawhon <dlawhon@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: RV9A wing tip pictures
--> RV-List message posted by: Danny Lawhon <dlawhon@yahoo.com>
Trying to figure out how the wing tips get connected
using 913 & 914 brackets anyone have picture of
when they were doing that , I am building the
landing lights (wing tip type) and running wire
ect.. wanted to get a heads up before I mess
something up.. its a RV9
Danny RV9A WINGS
__________________________________
http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
________________________________ Message 3
_____________________________________
Time: 05:57:21 AM PST US
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuse Blocks on a slider.
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
I don't have a website - but I do have photos of my install that might
help.
Zap me direct.
Ralph
RV6AQB slider
-----Original Message-----
From: Dana Overall <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: Fuse Blocks on a slider.
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Does anyone know a good website showing picture locations for a battery,
main and essential set of blocks for a 6 or 7 slider?
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg
do not archive
________________________________ Message 4
_____________________________________
Time: 06:27:24 AM PST US
From: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: Blast tubes - Necessary or not?
0.2 FROM_HAS_ULINE_NUMS From: contains an underline and
numbers/letters
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
The answer is not black and white. Increased heat kills (reduces the
life
of) electronics and mechanisms. The closer you are to warm lattitudes,
the
more you'll need this - generally speaking.
The only one I'd question would be the gascolator. When I've seen
pressure
problems in the fuel system due to heat, it's been on the ground on a
hot
day with a hot engine and little airflow through the cowl. Blast tube
wouldn't help much in this case, IMO.
I have a tube on the alt. Had one previously on the mags when I had
Bendix
- need to reinstall one on my new Slicks. Nothing on the fuel
components.
>1) Alternator
>
>2) Mag
>
>3) Gascolator
>
>How necessary are any of these?
Bryan Jones -8 640 hrs
www.LoneStarSquadron.com
Houston, Texas
________________________________ Message 5
_____________________________________
Time: 07:50:42 AM PST US
From: "steve blackwell" <n10557@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Pledge?
--> RV-List message posted by: "steve blackwell" <n10557@hotmail.com>
(blue shop towels - not paper towels)
After much testing over the years - I use blue shop towels.
They don't use a cellulose binder but rather a latex binder
and have never scratched my aircraft or sunglasses.
We buy them in a pack of 12 rolls at CostCo.
I also started with pledge but long ago switched to plexus.
It will somehow clean and polish better that anything else I have tried.
>From: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Pledge?
>Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:56:36 -0400
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
>
>David Burton wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" <dburton@nwlink.com>
> >
> >Is there anything you like using other then paper towels to clean
your
> >canopy?
> >
>Never, ever, use paper towels to clean your windshield! It's a tree!!!
>Baby diapers work very well ..... use 'em and wash 'em. Any soft cloth
>will be OK for your windshield.
>Linn
>
> > I'd like to find something less likely to scratch and disposable so
> >I can pitch it after one use...
> >
>Well, the baby diapers aren't really disposable ..... but if it's
>disposable, it's probably rougher than a cob.
>
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "linn walters" <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Pledge?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
> >>
> >>JusCash@aol.com wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>--> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com
> >>>
> >>>Maybe an "old wives tale," I was told years ago not to use the
lemon
> >>>
> >>>
> >version
> >
> >
> >>>because of some reaction with the plastic. Have been using the
regular
> >>>
> >>>
> >for 20
> >
> >
> >>>years with no problem.
> >>>
> >>>Cash Copeland
> >>>RV-6 150hrs and counting
> >>>Hayward, Ca
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>You don't want to use anything with ammonia in it. Like Windex etc.
> >>Haven't heard anything against the 'lemon' .... which may nt be real
> >>anyway!!!
> >>Linn
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>In a message dated 6/28/2004 6:38:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> >>>Larry@bowenaero.com writes:
> >>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
> >>>
> >>>Is lemon pledge still the favorite cleaner for the canopy?
> >>>
> >>>-
> >>>Larry Bowen
> >>>Larry@BowenAero.com
> >>>http://BowenAero.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________ Message 6
_____________________________________
Time: 08:36:33 AM PST US
From: Matt Jurotich <mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov>
Subject: RV-List: Re: Cylinder Head temps
--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Jurotich <mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov>
Do an archive search on casting flash. Read the first hit carefully,
then
examine your cylinders for casting flash. You might be surprised to
find
your baffling is fine and your cylinders need work.
________________________________ Message 7
_____________________________________
Time: 09:45:14 AM PST US
From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Pledge?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
What is a popular cleaner for the rest of the plane? Prop and leading
edges, etc....
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: steve blackwell [mailto:n10557@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 10:50 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Pledge?
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "steve blackwell" <n10557@hotmail.com>
>
> (blue shop towels - not paper towels)
>
> After much testing over the years - I use blue shop towels.
> They don't use a cellulose binder but rather a latex binder
> and have never scratched my aircraft or sunglasses. We buy
> them in a pack of 12 rolls at CostCo. I also started with
> pledge but long ago switched to plexus. It will somehow clean
> and polish better that anything else I have tried.
________________________________ Message 8
_____________________________________
Time: 10:17:30 AM PST US
From: PGLong@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: First flight
--> RV-List message posted by: PGLong@aol.com
Hi Group
Well, This is your official notification of my news today. My RV4, Kit
#656,
N120PL took it's first flight and all things worked well. As near as I
could
tell anyway. Talk about half scared and half nervous. Glad the first
flight
is over and we got it up and down successfully. It was just a 20 minute
ride
and I stayed over the airport (3CM) in case the engine quite or
something
went wrong. Can't wait to do it again and check more of the systems
out. Enjoyed
flying with Mike Seager in Three Rivers, Michigan last week and am sure
glad
I waited to get his transition training! Thanks to Van's for building
awesome kits! And to all the folks that answered my questions along
the way.
Would have been tough without all the knowledge that these RV group
members have
helped me with. Thanks again!
Pat Long
_PGLong@aol.com_ (mailto:PGLong@aol.com)
N120PL
RV-4
Bay City, Michigan
3CM
________________________________ Message 9
_____________________________________
Time: 10:33:06 AM PST US
From: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Pledge?
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
I always use old bathroom towels. And sometimes some not so old
bathroom towels.
Nice and soft on the canopy.
steve blackwell <n10557@hotmail.com> wrote:--> RV-List message posted
by: "steve
blackwell"
(blue shop towels - not paper towels)
After much testing over the years - I use blue shop towels.
They don't use a cellulose binder but rather a latex binder
and have never scratched my aircraft or sunglasses.
We buy them in a pack of 12 rolls at CostCo.
I also started with pledge but long ago switched to plexus.
It will somehow clean and polish better that anything else I have tried.
>From: linn walters
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Pledge?
>Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:56:36 -0400
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters
>
>David Burton wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton"
> >
> >Is there anything you like using other then paper towels to clean
your
> >canopy?
> >
>Never, ever, use paper towels to clean your windshield! It's a tree!!!
>Baby diapers work very well ..... use 'em and wash 'em. Any soft cloth
>will be OK for your windshield.
>Linn
>
> > I'd like to find something less likely to scratch and disposable so
> >I can pitch it after one use...
> >
>Well, the baby diapers aren't really disposable ..... but if it's
>disposable, it's probably rougher than a cob.
>
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "linn walters"
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Pledge?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters
> >>
> >>JusCash@aol.com wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>--> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com
> >>>
> >>>Maybe an "old wives tale," I was told years ago not to use the
lemon
> >>>
> >>>
> >version
> >
> >
> >>>because of some reaction with the plastic. Have been using the
regular
> >>>
> >>>
> >for 20
> >
> >
> >>>years with no problem.
> >>>
> >>>Cash Copeland
> >>>RV-6 150hrs and counting
> >>>Hayward, Ca
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>You don't want to use anything with ammonia in it. Like Windex etc.
> >>Haven't heard anything against the 'lemon' .... which may nt be real
> >>anyway!!!
> >>Linn
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>In a message dated 6/28/2004 6:38:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> >>>Larry@bowenaero.com writes:
> >>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
> >>>
> >>>Is lemon pledge still the favorite cleaner for the canopy?
> >>>
> >>>-
> >>>Larry Bowen
> >>>Larry@BowenAero.com
> >>>http://BowenAero.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
--
Scott VanArtsdalen
RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!!
When a man does all he can
though it succeeds not well,
blame not him that did it."
-- George Washington
________________________________ Message 10
____________________________________
Time: 11:00:01 AM PST US
From: "George P. Tyler" <gptyler@metrocast.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Pledge?
--> RV-List message posted by: "George P. Tyler" <gptyler@metrocast.net>
Since I don't have water available at my hangar, my plane has never been
cleaned with anything other than Fantastic, I buy it in a concentrated
form.
It seems to work great for me.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Pledge?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
> What is a popular cleaner for the rest of the plane? Prop and leading
> edges, etc....
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: steve blackwell [mailto:n10557@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 10:50 AM
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Pledge?
> >
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "steve blackwell"
<n10557@hotmail.com>
> >
> > (blue shop towels - not paper towels)
> >
> > After much testing over the years - I use blue shop towels.
> > They don't use a cellulose binder but rather a latex binder
> > and have never scratched my aircraft or sunglasses. We buy
> > them in a pack of 12 rolls at CostCo. I also started with
> > pledge but long ago switched to plexus. It will somehow clean
> > and polish better that anything else I have tried.
>
>
________________________________ Message 11
____________________________________
Time: 01:07:01 PM PST US
From: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Pledge?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
>What is a popular cleaner for the rest of the plane? Prop and leading
>edges, etc....
>
>-
>Larry Bowen
>Larry@BowenAero.com
MORE PLEDGE! I must have the freshest smelling RV in the state. I use
Simple Green on the belly to get rid of the breather hose splooge.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51 tailcone
http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
________________________________ Message 12
____________________________________
Time: 01:09:12 PM PST US
From: "John Furey" <john@fureychrysler.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: CHT temperatures
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Furey" <john@fureychrysler.com>
My O-320 has similar issues. #3 hits 450 in climb, 390 in cruise. I
cleaned
the flashing around the cylinders(can only reach one side of each cyl
without taking off the baffels) and have not had the chance to determine
precisely what effect it had but it looks like about 10~15 degree drop.
I'll
report as soon as I can verify.
John Furey
RV6A O-320 Ohio
________________________________ Message 13
____________________________________
Time: 04:23:07 PM PST US
From: "Tommy Walker" <twsurveyor@msn.com>
Subject: RV-List: Hooker Harness Seat Belts
Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:23:34 -0500
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twsurveyor@msn.com>
From time to time, on this list as well as others, Hooker has received
bad press
about long delays for seat belt orders. My "first flight" being a few
months
away, I decided to go ahead and order my belts from Hooker so I would
have them
in "due time". Long story short, I ordered them on 7/23 and to my
surprise
they were delivered today!
They are truly a work of art. Hooker did a great job on them and with
the 4 day
service, I don't think they can be beat!
Just wanted to pass this along to those of you needing seat belts. "Give
Hooker
a Look"!
Tommy Walker
Ridgetop, TN
6A, Finishing
________________________________ Message 14
____________________________________
Time: 05:27:24 PM PST US
From: Leland <Federigo@pacbell.net>
Subject: RV-List: Painting the Dynon pitot tube
--> RV-List message posted by: Leland <Federigo@pacbell.net>
I would like to paint or anodize (or at least Alodyne) an unheated Dynon
pitot tube but am a little afraid to take it apart. There is a hex-head
screw on the bottom and the nose looks like it might screw off, but
portions seems to be potted with RTV. Can anyone on this list tell me
how they finished their probe?
Leland in Pleasanton, California
gettin' close to the end with an RV9AQB
________________________________ Message 15
____________________________________
Time: 05:28:36 PM PST US
From: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: CHT tempatures
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright"
<kboatright1@comcast.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Sneed" <n242ds@cox.net>
Subject: RV-List: CHT tempatures
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jason Sneed <n242ds@cox.net>
>
> I am in North West florida and lately we have had hot 87-94 degree
very
> humid days. I have noticed that if I do a hot start and take off from
> an airport with an OAT of 86 degrees or more I am seeing in the climb
> the following data:
>
> climb (hot 85 degree day) Climb only went to 2,500
> RF 380-395
> LF 395-405
> RB 405-445
> LB 365-380
>
> cruise (6000 feet 72-75 OAT)
> RF 400
> LF 410
> RB 425
> LB 370
>
> I checked the probes, they are very accurate.
>
> At about 2000 feet I start seeing 445 on the EIS at this point I level
> off and fly for a while to cool the engine (I climb at 140 mph). This
> is very aggregating because ATC does not like to see me stop climbing,
> I am sweating my but off and my passenger is pale white watching the
> birds and television towers go by. I understand that with a 90 degree
> OAT it is hard to cool an engine but are these numbers correct? Is
this
> normal? My oil cooler is behind #4 and oil temps never bust 225 they
> are around 195 in cruise. I have experimented with opening the
baffling
> sealing the cowl seal ect... The only thing I have not done is make
the
> air exit hole bigger in the bottom of the cowl. I think redline is
475
> I wonder if it is better to just climb until I hit 475 and level off.
I
> am also not leaning on these hot days which I think is bad for carbon
> buildup and bad on my wallet. Any help would be great.
>
> Has anyone noticed a big difference enlarging the air exit hole at the
> bottom of the cowl where the exhaust exits the bottom cowl?
>
> RV-6
> o-360 with airflow performance fuel injection
> 9.1 pistons
>
>
> Thanks again,
> Jason
>
Your post brings to mind many questions:
1) What is your cruise power setting? You didn't give it.
2) Is the mixture set correctly? You should see a 25-50 rpm increase
initially as you pull the mixture from full rich to lean while the
aircraft
idles. Otherwise, the mixture is too lean.
3) Have you checked the timing on the engine?
4) Is the CHT gauge accurate? The senders can be good, but the gauge
could
be the problem.
5) How many hours on the engine?
I'd worry about the overall high temps first, then use a cylinder
blocker on
the #1 (right front) cylinder head to balance out the temperatures once
you
get the overall problem solved.
My guess is that there is something unique about your installation that
is
causing your CHT problem.
KB
________________________________ Message 16
____________________________________
Time: 07:01:08 PM PST US
From: YonderRDC@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: RV-List Digest: 28 Msgs - 07/26/04
--> RV-List message posted by: YonderRDC@aol.com
I will pick up my -8 kit in AUG from Vans, and wondered if JT(?) would
give
me a call or E-mail to discuss builders risk insurance for the kit while
building and perhapps also for the trip home from Vans on a
trailer....JT???? or
if
anyone has a better idea???? David @......Yonderrdc@aol.com or cell is
252-350-2798. H is 360-825-6995 Thanks all......David
________________________________ Message 17
____________________________________
Time: 08:26:06 PM PST US
From: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: First flight
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham"
<crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Pat,
CONGRATULATIONS and WELL DONE !!
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A
>From: PGLong@aol.com
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: Rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: First flight
>Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:16:59 EDT
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: PGLong@aol.com
>
>
>Hi Group
>
>Well, This is your official notification of my news today. My RV4, Kit
>#656,
>N120PL took it's first flight and all things worked well. As near as I
>could
>tell anyway. Talk about half scared and half nervous. Glad the first
>flight
>is over and we got it up and down successfully. It was just a 20
minute
>ride
>and I stayed over the airport (3CM) in case the engine quite or
something
>went wrong. Can't wait to do it again and check more of the systems
out.
>Enjoyed
>flying with Mike Seager in Three Rivers, Michigan last week and am
sure
>glad
>I waited to get his transition training! Thanks to Van's for building
>awesome kits! And to all the folks that answered my questions along
the
>way.
>Would have been tough without all the knowledge that these RV group
>members have
>helped me with. Thanks again!
>
>
>Pat Long
>_PGLong@aol.com_ (mailto:PGLong@aol.com)
>N120PL
>RV-4
>Bay City, Michigan
>3CM
>
>
download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Re: First flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: richard dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
Congratulations, Pat!!!!!!
PGLong@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: PGLong@aol.com
>
>
>Hi Group
>
>Well, This is your official notification of my news today. My RV4, Kit #656,
>N120PL took it's first flight and all things worked well. As near as I could
>tell anyway. Talk about half scared and half nervous. Glad the first flight
>is over and we got it up and down successfully. It was just a 20 minute ride
>and I stayed over the airport (3CM) in case the engine quite or something
>went wrong. Can't wait to do it again and check more of the systems out. Enjoyed
>flying with Mike Seager in Three Rivers, Michigan last week and am sure glad
>I waited to get his transition training! Thanks to Van's for building
>awesome kits! And to all the folks that answered my questions along the way.
>Would have been tough without all the knowledge that these RV group members have
>helped me with. Thanks again!
>
>
>Pat Long
>_PGLong@aol.com_ (mailto:PGLong@aol.com)
>N120PL
>RV-4
>Bay City, Michigan
>3CM
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Update on the left stick, right stick question. |
<rgray67968@aol.com>, <goodeng@aol.com>,
"Turbo Tom" <turbotom@mindspring.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Just a recap, I have 1200hrs left seat in my 6, Im building a Super 8, I
have 200 hours recent Aeronca Chief (left seat right throttle)I have
never flown solo a right stick left throttle anything, and there was
some discussion about this started by me on the rv-list as to why I
would not just make my 8 a left stick right throttle Bird so I would not
have to have any transition issues and so I would be able to write with
my right hand and fly with my left. I write a lot, especially IFR and
was concerned about these various issues. Update below...
OK So I'm at the Macon City formation clinic last weekend July 04 and
an RV-8 driver Glenn Miller, aka "Air Dog" and I are chatting about this
and that and he out of the blue says "why don't you just take mine and
see what you think? Ahhh, hmmmm, ahhh, don't you want to get in the
back? Naa, he says, you don't want my fat a!@# in there, go see what you
think. Mind you this plane is new to him (recent purchase), new period
(low time), and an award winner. So I go strap in, get a 20 second brief
on buttons and switches from Air Dog, fire up and launch his 200 pony
c/s 8. I don't remember anything during this flight about ever thinking
about the stick being in my right hand. I flew around, performed a
couple of maneuvers I probably shouldn't have (this is an RV after all
and I just could not help myself) and came in to land. 1st landing,
choose 3 point as this is what I am used to in the Chief, made about 4
landing bounces and decided this was totally unacceptable and I must
redeem myself, and hit the gas to try again.
Landing #2 was more stable, only 2 bounces, acceptable, and decided to
taxi in whilst I was still ahead.
Later that night, he lets me try her all over again, only this time as
#3 in a three ship so I can try this in formation with step son Wesley
in the back. He is 14 and helps on the Super 8 and needed to get juiced
about banging rivets too. Section TO, 3 ship vic, I'm #3 on the right
side, departure roll and liftoff perfect, climb to altitude in route,,
and lead(Speedy) gives me some slow turns in parade (close) formation.
Im doing real well here. He hands me the cross under and I head for the
left side of the formation. Now Im looking over the right side at lead
and things don't feel too well here. My inputs were a little backwards
and brain wiring to hands was shorted out. When I needed to nose down a
touch, I added a touch of power. Brain wiring screwed up. ARGH!! This
is crappy "Lead I need to get back on the right side!"... "Approved" and
over I went. Ahhh, I could feel the wiring back. The Left side was like
someone switched the brake and gas pedals in my car. It was not
comfortable. So we flew around like this and I became really comfortable
on the right side. Tight formation was quickly wiring brain to hands and
I was really enjoying myself. Air was as smooth as a baby's bottom as we
tooled around, buzzed the lake, & performed some pitchouts and rejoins.
We RTB in for initial and I made a 10+ landing that was a complete ever
so light squeaker on the mains with a tail up taxi to the turn off. I
was stoked at my killer killer landing . I went to bed that night with a
great smile on my face dreaming of doing all that with a 6 banger out
front. Driving Air Doggs 8 was just the highlight of my trip. Many
thanks to him for letting me drive this great machine and taste what Im
headin for as my Super 8 comes together. Not too many guys will offer to
let you launch off in their airplane. Thanks Dog. He saw some payback
too as he got to join in for a 13 ship flight off a D model P-51 at the
conclusion of our clinic. Sneak photo at
www.mstewart.net/deletesoon/13ship.jpg
Anyway.... here are some of my conclusions.
1. Yee Haa. The 8 is really fun.
2. In a tail dragger, Bad landings suck, good landings feel just
great.
3. Tandem visibility rocks for flying, formation, and especially
rejoins to the left.
4. Just flying around was no problem, right side formation great,
left side needs more stick time and would also be fine. Brain was wired
the other way and would take a bit of time to rewire.
5. Wheel landings sweet, 3 point junk with the heavy nose IO-360
c/s 8.
6. Super 8 gets right stick, left throttle even though I am still
weary about how Im gonna deal with writing with my right hand.
7. I owe Air Dog a beer.
Michael Stewart
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| Subject: | RV-List Removing swirls @ micro scratches from canopy |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Philip Condon" <pcondon@mitre.org>
After months of playing around and experimenting with polishing out
scratches in anything plastic or glass, I did my canopy his weekend and it
looks fantastic and like new. I made up some polish wheels from some packing
foam that was medium density(squishyness). Cut a rough circle about 2 to 3
inches in diameter and glued a 1/4 inch drill adapter to the center of the
mini foam polisher with Gorilla Glue (fantastic stuff). I Used 3-M swirl
remover/finishing paste, my battery Makita drill and a spritzer bottle of
water and polished the canopy. 3 hours for the total job over 3 days
(inside and outside of canopy) did the job. Use tape to mark scratches as
you site them, the scratches disappear from sight if you don't mark them
(opposite side of where you polish). Finish up with plexus and enjoy the
results. Presta polish and McGuire's works great also.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Pledge (Walgreens generic copy formula) on all painted surfaces for me -
including the prop. Wipe with clean, soft terri-cloth rags.
IMVHO, I'd watch the Fantastic anywhere near the Plexi. I don't know how
much or even if that stuff would hurt the plastic, but seeing a windscreen
craze cracked on a brand new Glassair is enough to make your stomach hurt.
Not sure what damaged that windscreen - just wouldn't want it to happen to
mine.
2
do not archive
Bryan Jones -8
www.LoneStarSquadron.com
Houston, Texas
>What is a popular cleaner for the rest of the plane? Prop and leading
>edges, etc....
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| Subject: | Delivery of your Quickbuild Kit? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Nellis" <mike@bmnellis.com>
I will be in Oregon next week and returning to Central Texas with an empty
16' flatbed trailer. If anyone west of the Mississippi would like me to
deliver their kit(s) please let me know. I can pick your kit up at Vans and
deliver it to your doorstep and help you unload it.
The price is negotiable but I'm sure I can save you some money and help me
out so I'm not hauling an empty trailer back to Texas.
512 563 1230
Mike Nellis
RV-6 Fuselage N699BM
1947 Stinson 108-2 NC9666K
http://bmnellis.com
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| Subject: | Re: Delivery of your Quickbuild Kit? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Brinlee" <abfbrinlee@att.net>
Mike,
I have an rv7 tail and wing I may purchase.....It is unbuilt by owner in the
area.
How much to bring back to Oklahoma city......on your way home.
doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Nellis" <mike@bmnellis.com>
Subject: RV-List: Delivery of your Quickbuild Kit?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Nellis" <mike@bmnellis.com>
>
> I will be in Oregon next week and returning to Central Texas with an empty
> 16' flatbed trailer. If anyone west of the Mississippi would like me to
> deliver their kit(s) please let me know. I can pick your kit up at Vans
and
> deliver it to your doorstep and help you unload it.
>
> The price is negotiable but I'm sure I can save you some money and help me
> out so I'm not hauling an empty trailer back to Texas.
>
> 512 563 1230
>
>
> Mike Nellis
> RV-6 Fuselage N699BM
> 1947 Stinson 108-2 NC9666K
> http://bmnellis.com
>
>
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| Subject: | experimental aircraft presentation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
A local CAP group has asked me to do a 45 minute presentation on
experimental aircraft. Do any of you have some slides(Power Point)
already on this? Would save me some build time.
Please reply direct.
Thanks,
Michael Stewart
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| Subject: | osk kosh product update |
--> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
Dynon doesn't have an update on their web site so would someone mind asking
them how their engine monitor is coming along and when they think it will be
ready for sale?
Any new avionics products being debut out there suitable for RVs? :-)
thx,
lucky
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--> RV-List message posted by: "David E. Nelson" <david.nelson@pobox.com>
Speaking of windscreens and chemicals: Beware of Rain-X (and similar products).
Although I've successfully used it on my motorcycle windshield (I guess by
luck), fellow riders did not fare as well. In one case, his screen just slowly
became cloudy over a period of a couple of weeks after applying the Rain-X. I
guess different plastics react differently.
/\/elson
Austin, TX
RV-7A - Left wing leading edge
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, RV_8 Pilot wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>
> Pledge (Walgreens generic copy formula) on all painted surfaces for me -
> including the prop. Wipe with clean, soft terri-cloth rags.
>
> IMVHO, I'd watch the Fantastic anywhere near the Plexi. I don't know how
> much or even if that stuff would hurt the plastic, but seeing a windscreen
> craze cracked on a brand new Glassair is enough to make your stomach hurt.
> Not sure what damaged that windscreen - just wouldn't want it to happen to
> mine.
>
> 2
>
> do not archive
>
> Bryan Jones -8
> www.LoneStarSquadron.com
> Houston, Texas
>
> >What is a popular cleaner for the rest of the plane? Prop and leading
> >edges, etc....
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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~~ ** ~~ If you didn't learn anything when you broke it the 1st ~~ ** ~~
time, then break it again.
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| Subject: | Builders risk insurance |
--> RV-List message posted by: YonderRDC@aol.com
Got my cell # wrong by one digit in my previous post. It's
253-350-2798....Sorry bout that....
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| Subject: | osk kosh product update |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
They told me directly December.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of lucky macy
Subject: [SPAM] RV-List: osk kosh product update
--> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
Dynon doesn't have an update on their web site so would someone mind
asking
them how their engine monitor is coming along and when they think it
will be
ready for sale?
Any new avionics products being debut out there suitable for RVs? :-)
thx,
lucky
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| Subject: | Canopy crack repair question |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
Help. Sometime back someone on the list reported on the use of a chemical
that, as I recall, they obtained from a drug store and used to seal a canopy
crack. I don't remember that it was the stuff called Weldon form ACS. I can't
find it in the archives and I have a small crack that I need stop drill, fill
and hopefully weld with that stuff, whatever it is. Thanks.
Do not archive
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, final assembly
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy crack repair question |
--> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com
I used a product from TAP Plastic's in San Leandro, Ca. Can't recall the
name, but I'm sure the people there can help you. I actually glued the broken
aft
edge of the canopy back on after dropping it onto the rollbar. Also repaired
a crack. After 170hrs repairs are holding up OK.
Cash Copeland
RV6 Tip-Up
Hayward, Ca
In a message dated 7/28/2004 11:30:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, HCRV6@aol.com
writes:
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
Help. Sometime back someone on the list reported on the use of a chemical
that, as I recall, they obtained from a drug store and used to seal a canopy
crack. I don't remember that it was the stuff called Weldon form ACS. I
can't
find it in the archives and I have a small crack that I need stop drill, fill
and hopefully weld with that stuff, whatever it is. Thanks.
Do not archive
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, final assembly
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| Subject: | Re: osk kosh product update |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Eustace Bowhay" <ebowhay@jetstream.net>
Hi Lucky;
I talked to them at Arlington and at that time they were estimating November
for the engine monitor.
Eustace
----- Original Message -----
From: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: osk kosh product update
> --> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
>
> Dynon doesn't have an update on their web site so would someone mind
asking
> them how their engine monitor is coming along and when they think it will
be
> ready for sale?
>
> Any new avionics products being debut out there suitable for RVs? :-)
>
> thx,
> lucky
> do not archive
>
> Planning a family vacation? Check out the MSN Family Travel guide!
> http://dollar.msn.com
>
>
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| Subject: | RV -7 kit wanted |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Brinlee" <abfbrinlee@att.net>
RV-7 kit wanted 7A prefered... with slider.. will consider untouched and started..
prefer at least emp and wing..
Take care,
Doug
405-206-6768
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| Subject: | Re: RV -7 kit wanted |
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
Hey Doug,
I've got a good lead......Try Van @ 503-678-6545.
I hear he might have one you can get :-)
Laird (2 months of not having my RV to fly is starting to get to me)
SoCal
DO NOT ARCHIVE !
On Jul 28, 2004, at 9:18 PM, Doug Brinlee wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Brinlee" <abfbrinlee@att.net>
>
> RV-7 kit wanted 7A prefered... with slider.. will consider untouched
> and started.. prefer at least emp and wing..
> Take care,
> Doug
> 405-206-6768
>
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy crack repair question |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
HCRV6@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
>
>Help. Sometime back someone on the list reported on the use of a chemical
>that, as I recall, they obtained from a drug store and used to seal a canopy
>crack. I don't remember that it was the stuff called Weldon form ACS. I can't
>find it in the archives and I have a small crack that I need stop drill, fill
>and hopefully weld with that stuff, whatever it is. Thanks.
>
>Do not archive
>
>Harry Crosby
>Pleasanton, California
>RV-6, final assembly
>
ACS has Weld-on 3, part # 03-54800 ..... $8.85/pint. You can get
acrylic glue at almost any sign shop.
Linn
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy crack repair question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Speaking of canopy cracking problems, has anyone else tried
the method of gluing on the canopy, using automotive windshield
glue as discussed in a recent kitplanes article? It seems
like it would reduce the incidence of canopy cracking, since
the stress will be more evenly distributed, and the glue can
flex a little. I'm planning on using this method, unless I
hear a horror story!
Mickey
>>Help. Sometime back someone on the list reported on the use of a chemical
>>that, as I recall, they obtained from a drug store and used to seal a canopy
>>crack. I don't remember that it was the stuff called Weldon form ACS. I can't
>>find it in the archives and I have a small crack that I need stop drill, fill
>>and hopefully weld with that stuff, whatever it is. Thanks.
>
>ACS has Weld-on 3, part # 03-54800 ..... $8.85/pint. You can get
>acrylic glue at almost any sign shop.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
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