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1. 12:49 AM - Capella and other LSA's (Nic)
2. 01:04 AM - Re: Flying to Canada from US (and back) (Jerry Springer)
3. 02:48 AM - Re: Capella and other LSA's (Jerry Springer)
4. 02:53 AM - Re: Flying to Canada from US (and back) (Kevin Horton)
5. 03:16 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 08/10/06 (Gilbert Bibeau)
6. 04:20 AM - Max Altitude in an RV (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
7. 05:12 AM - Re: Max Altitude in an RV (FLYaDIVE@aol.com)
8. 05:27 AM - Re: Max Altitude in an RV (Kevin Horton)
9. 06:01 AM - Re: Capella and other LSA's (Jim Sears)
10. 06:20 AM - Re: io360-a1b (Rhonda Bewley)
11. 06:20 AM - Re: Max Altitude in an RV (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
12. 06:24 AM - Re: Flying to Canada from US (and back) (John Jessen)
13. 06:24 AM - Re: Flying to Canada from US (and back) (Steven DiNieri)
14. 06:40 AM - Re: Max Altitude in an RV (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
15. 07:16 AM - Re: Max Altitude in an RV (Larry Pardue)
16. 07:22 AM - Painter/Fiberglasser wanted (sjhdcl@kingston.net)
17. 07:42 AM - Re: Max Altitude in an RV (John Huft)
18. 07:44 AM - Re: Max Altitude in an RV (James Clark)
19. 08:02 AM - Re: Painter/Fiberglasser wanted (linn Walters)
20. 08:25 AM - COMMON SENSE (Robert Fitton)
21. 08:27 AM - Re: Hotshots and Rules (Bob)
22. 08:55 AM - Syrian Factory Built RV-6A? (Larry Pardue)
23. 09:08 AM - Re: Hotshots and Rules (Olen Goodwin)
24. 09:32 AM - Re: Hotshots and Rules (kitfoxmike)
25. 10:22 AM - Re: Painter/Fiberglasser wanted (Steve Eberhart)
26. 10:27 AM - Re: Syrian Factory Built RV-6A? (James Clark)
27. 10:41 AM - Re: Syrian Factory Built RV-6A? (Rob Prior (rv7))
28. 10:44 AM - Re: Syrian Factory Built RV-6A? (Dale Ensing)
29. 10:52 AM - Re: Painter/Fiberglasser wanted (linn Walters)
30. 11:46 AM - Re: Flying to Canada from US (and back) (Mark Doble)
31. 12:38 PM - Re: Syrian Factory Built RV-6A? (D.Bristol)
32. 01:24 PM - Re: Syrian Factory Built RV-6A? (Larry Pardue)
33. 01:40 PM - Ammeter question (bertrv6@highstream.net)
34. 02:20 PM - Re: Syrian Factory Built RV-6A? (Kevin Horton)
35. 02:59 PM - Re: Syrian Factory Built RV-6A? (D.Bristol)
36. 03:05 PM - Re: Ammeter question (Jerry Springer)
37. 04:12 PM - Re: Ammeter question (D.Bristol)
38. 04:22 PM - Re: Ammeter question (Dan Beadle)
39. 04:30 PM - Re: Ammeter question (FLYaDIVE@aol.com)
40. 06:40 PM - Re: Ammeter question (dorante@juno.com)
41. 07:39 PM - Re: Painter/Fiberglasser wanted (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
42. 09:13 PM - Re: Syrian Factory Built RV-6A? (Patrick Kelley)
43. 10:28 PM - Re: Painter/Fiberglasser wanted (Dave Nellis)
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| Subject: | Capella and other LSA's |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Nic" <Nic@skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
John, I went to the Czech republic last month to fly the new Sportcruiser
which also has a rotax 912S. It is an excellent LSA, with great vis, cruise
and amazing shortfield. It looks very clean too, and I cant see anyone
building an RV12 when they can buy a ready built performer like this. In
fact it with the cost of fuel in Europe I think there will be a lot of RV's
for sale in the near future (a number of places in France were without AVGAS
last week !)..
Your friend may want to have a trial flight. Rgds, Nic
Time: 06:06:31 AM PST US
From: "John Furey" <john@fureychrysler.com>
Subject: RV-List: Capella
I have a friend that needs to go to LSA. He has come across a Capella with a
Rotax912 that fits his price, anyone have information or opinions about this
plane?
Thanks
John
RV7 in process
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| Subject: | Re: Flying to Canada from US (and back) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
I got a ticket coming home for being about 15 min early, my port of
entry which was Friday Harbour.
Jerry
do not archive
Steven DiNieri wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve@adelphia.net>
>
>I fly between Niagara falls and Toronto and can tell you I've also never had
>to show anyone a radio license. The Canadian immigration are great to deal
>with. I simply arrive at a port of entry, then from the fbo call customs and
>they will ask questions and possibly visit you if they feel the need. The
>problem is coming home. Once I was threatened with incarceration for opening
>the aircraft canopy before the customs agent said it was ok.....plus he was
>already pissed for me being 10 minutes early. I think Part of my punishment
>was to sit and bake in the sun...but dont despair, my marine experience has
>been exactly the same. So I know they're not singling out flyboys and
>flygirls.
>Steve d
>40205
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Horton
>Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 3:34 PM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying to Canada from US (and back)
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>
>I have flown across the border hundreds of times, and no one has ever
>asked to see my radio operators permit, nor the one for the
>aircraft. They are much more worried about what type of food you
>might have along, drugs, alcohol, guns, etc. Don't waste your time
>or money on the radio permits.
>
>Kevin Horton
>Ottawa, Canada
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Capella and other LSA's |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
And the price on the Sportcruiser US is???????? I looked a t a lot of
them at Arlington EAA flyin and the nice
ones started about $100,000.00 that is a good reason to build a RV-12
which well have at least as good of performance.
of about 138 mph.
Jerry
do not archive
Nic wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Nic" <Nic@skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
>
>John, I went to the Czech republic last month to fly the new Sportcruiser
>which also has a rotax 912S. It is an excellent LSA, with great vis, cruise
>and amazing shortfield. It looks very clean too, and I cant see anyone
>building an RV12 when they can buy a ready built performer like this. In
>fact it with the cost of fuel in Europe I think there will be a lot of RV's
>for sale in the near future (a number of places in France were without AVGAS
>last week !)..
>
>Your friend may want to have a trial flight. Rgds, Nic
>
> Time: 06:06:31 AM PST US
>From: "John Furey" <john@fureychrysler.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Capella
>
>I have a friend that needs to go to LSA. He has come across a Capella with a
>Rotax912 that fits his price, anyone have information or opinions about this
>plane?
>Thanks
>John
>RV7 in process
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying to Canada from US (and back) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
The procedures for Canada Customs are here:
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/E/pub/cp/rc4341/rc4341-e.html
You need to call them before leaving the US (1-888-226-7277 at least
two hours before your arrival time). Then after landing, if there is
no Customs officer there to meet you, call them again. No one can
leave the aircraft, except the pilot if he has to leave to make that
phone call. Quite often they will not come out to meet the aircraft,
and will simply give you a clearance number once you phone them after
arrival in Canada.
Also, due to US TSA requirements, you need to in communication with
an ATC agency, and have a discrete transponder code when crossing the
border. This can be accomplished by either being on an IFR flight
plan, or being on flight following as you approach the border. You
must be on a flight plan to cross the border.
You also need to know that there are a few procedural differences in
Canada. For example, circuit joining procedures are a bit
different. A 45 to downwind is not on the list of approved entry
procedures, so other traffic won't be looking for you if you do that
entry. Instead, there is a midfield downwind entry, where you cross
the field and join mid downwind.
Kevin Horton
On 10 Aug 2006, at 23:47, Steven DiNieri wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Steven DiNieri"
> <capsteve@adelphia.net>
>
> I fly between Niagara falls and Toronto and can tell you I've also
> never had
> to show anyone a radio license. The Canadian immigration are great
> to deal
> with. I simply arrive at a port of entry, then from the fbo call
> customs and
> they will ask questions and possibly visit you if they feel the
> need. The
> problem is coming home. Once I was threatened with incarceration
> for opening
> the aircraft canopy before the customs agent said it was
> ok.....plus he was
> already pissed for me being 10 minutes early. I think Part of my
> punishment
> was to sit and bake in the sun...but dont despair, my marine
> experience has
> been exactly the same. So I know they're not singling out flyboys and
> flygirls.
> Steve d
> 40205
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Horton
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 3:34 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying to Canada from US (and back)
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>
> I have flown across the border hundreds of times, and no one has ever
> asked to see my radio operators permit, nor the one for the
> aircraft. They are much more worried about what type of food you
> might have along, drugs, alcohol, guns, etc. Don't waste your time
> or money on the radio permits.
>
> Kevin Horton
> Ottawa, Canada
>
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>
> 1. 05:16 AM - Re: Vertical Card Compass in RV Panel Vertical Card
> Compass in RV Panel (L Klingmuller)
> 2. 06:06 AM - Capella (John Furey)
> 3. 06:40 AM - Re: Vertical Card Compass in RV Panel (SCOTT SPENCER)
> 4. 10:23 AM - Re: LSE Plugs... (Bob J.)
> 5. 10:47 AM - TBM (Wheeler North)
> 6. 11:36 AM - Flying to Canada from US (and back) (Jeff Dowling)
> 7. 12:33 PM - Re: Flying to Canada from US (and back) (Lloyd, Daniel
> R.)
> 8. 12:34 PM - Re: Flying to Canada from US (and back) (Kevin Horton)
> 9. 01:00 PM - Re: Capella (George Tyler)
> 10. 01:20 PM - Re: Flying to Canada from US (and back) (Randy Lervold)
> 11. 03:12 PM - Re: Flying to Canada from US (and back) (Dan Checkoway)
> 12. 05:11 PM - Re: Vertical Card Compass in RV Panel Vertical Card
> Compass in RV Panel (Kevin Horton)
> 13. 08:27 PM - io360-a1b (gert)
> 14. 08:48 PM - Re: Flying to Canada from US (and back) (Steven
> DiNieri)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:16:07 AM PST US
> From: "L Klingmuller" <l_klingmuller6@earthlink.net>
> Subject: re: RV-List: Vertical Card Compass in RV Panel Vertical Card
> Compass
> in RV Panel
>
> In my tip up 6A I had it in the panel next the six pack. Did not work at
> all.
> So I moved it to the glareschield. Still debating if I should replace it
> with
> a regular whisky compass as it still not what it should be. Oh yes, GPS
> have
> made compass obsolete but then again it is required and you may find out
> the
> GPS does not work.
> Lothar
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:06:31 AM PST US
> From: "John Furey" <john@fureychrysler.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Capella
>
> I have a friend that needs to go to LSA. He has come across a Capella with
> a
> Rotax912 that fits his price, anyone have information or opinions about
> this
> plane?
> Thanks
> John
> 2 RV6A completed
> RV7 in process
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:40:34 AM PST US
> From: SCOTT SPENCER <aerokinetic@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: RV-List: Re: Vertical Card Compass in RV Panel
>
> The issue with vertical card compasses when mounted in a panel is
> two-fold. First,
> they are more sensitive to local magnetic fields. Second, and much worse
> is
> that they use a BIG magnet on a needle bearing and no damping fluid. They
> will
> just spin around in circles under certain resonant vibrations. They are
> horribly
> affected by vibration. It also wears out the pivot bearings very fast.
> This
> is why the manufacturers of these devices provide very soft and cushioned
> mounts for them -for out of the panel applications only.
>
> I tried on in a panel myself a few years back -even talked to the
> manufacturer
> about it... It just plain didn't work for the above reasons.
>
> Scott
> N4ZW
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:23:51 AM PST US
> From: "Bob J." <rocketbob@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: LSE Plugs...
>
> Useful link for deciphering NGK spark plug numbers...
>
> http://www.kaila.net/tl125/tl125ngkcode.html
>
> Regards,
> Bob Japundza
> RV-6 flying F1 under const.
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:47:54 AM PST US
> From: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
> Subject: RV-List: TBM
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
>
> Thanks Gert,
>
> It sounds like the TBM just missed seeing the smaller plane in the horizon
> of stuff.
>
> I might be painting my rudder day glo orange just because...
>
> It also sounds like there was initially a large gap between the TBM and
> the
> rest of the traffic when it first approached the north end of Papa which
> may
> have also led to him not identifying which was the next in line.
>
> The bottom line there is that if he was following the wrong plane and
> didn't
> know about the RV than nothing outside like walkers or radios could have
> fixed that as they would not know that he didn't know until he ran into
> it.
>
> Which is pretty much what happens in most mid air collisions ie neither
> pilot has identified the other's presence and relative location until it's
> too late.
>
> As has already been said, a lot of S/A and a little prayer... AKA head on
> a
> swivel at all times on any airport.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:36:01 AM PST US
> From: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
> Subject: RV-List: Flying to Canada from US (and back)
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling"
> <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
>
> Im planning on making my first international leg with my rv this wknd. I
> checked out aopa's site and was surprised to find I needed a stinkin'
> radio
> operators permit for me and the plane. 155 bucks down the drain. Then
> another 25 for a customs decal. Add the fee for air traffic control,
> which
> I dont know how it will be charged, and its costing a lot more than I
> thought. Oh well, Ive heard the fishing is ok.
>
> Any suggestions from anyone familiar with this type of flying? Im
> planning
> on landing in Ontario at Dryden and plan to call customs 24 hours in
> advance. No idea where to clear in MN yet.
>
> Shemp/Jeff Dowling
> RV-6A, N915JD
> 295 hours
> Chicago/Louisville
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wheeler North" <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:46 PM
> Subject: RV-List: TBM
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
>>
>> Thanks Gert,
>>
>> It sounds like the TBM just missed seeing the smaller plane in the
>> horizon
>> of stuff.
>>
>> I might be painting my rudder day glo orange just because...
>>
>> It also sounds like there was initially a large gap between the TBM and
>> the
>> rest of the traffic when it first approached the north end of Papa which
>> may
>> have also led to him not identifying which was the next in line.
>>
>> The bottom line there is that if he was following the wrong plane and
>> didn't
>> know about the RV than nothing outside like walkers or radios could have
>> fixed that as they would not know that he didn't know until he ran into
>> it.
>>
>> Which is pretty much what happens in most mid air collisions ie neither
>> pilot has identified the other's presence and relative location until
>> it's
>> too late.
>>
>> As has already been said, a lot of S/A and a little prayer... AKA head on
>> a
>> swivel at all times on any airport.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:33:06 PM PST US
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Flying to Canada from US (and back)
> From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>
> Since you are near us in Chicago, you should join the Ohio Valley
> Rvators. We have more than 50 RV's flying, weekend get togethers, have a
> great formation team, and yearly clinic. We now have over 400 members
> and growing. Rick Gray runs the group and a bunch of them have made this
> trip several times and should be able to help you with what exactly you
> do and do not need. Takes just a few minutes to join, great group of
> guys and great resources for international travel.
> Hope this helps.
> Dan
> 40269 (N289DT)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Dowling
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 2:34 PM
> Subject: RV-List: Flying to Canada from US (and back)
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling"
> <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
>
> Im planning on making my first international leg with my rv this wknd.
> I
> checked out aopa's site and was surprised to find I needed a stinkin'
> radio
> operators permit for me and the plane. 155 bucks down the drain. Then
> another 25 for a customs decal. Add the fee for air traffic control,
> which
> I dont know how it will be charged, and its costing a lot more than I
> thought. Oh well, Ive heard the fishing is ok.
>
> Any suggestions from anyone familiar with this type of flying? Im
> planning
> on landing in Ontario at Dryden and plan to call customs 24 hours in
> advance. No idea where to clear in MN yet.
>
> Shemp/Jeff Dowling
> RV-6A, N915JD
> 295 hours
> Chicago/Louisville
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wheeler North" <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:46 PM
> Subject: RV-List: TBM
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
>>
>> Thanks Gert,
>>
>> It sounds like the TBM just missed seeing the smaller plane in the
> horizon
>> of stuff.
>>
>> I might be painting my rudder day glo orange just because...
>>
>> It also sounds like there was initially a large gap between the TBM
> and
>> the
>> rest of the traffic when it first approached the north end of Papa
> which
>> may
>> have also led to him not identifying which was the next in line.
>>
>> The bottom line there is that if he was following the wrong plane and
>> didn't
>> know about the RV than nothing outside like walkers or radios could
> have
>> fixed that as they would not know that he didn't know until he ran
> into
>> it.
>>
>> Which is pretty much what happens in most mid air collisions ie
> neither
>> pilot has identified the other's presence and relative location until
> it's
>> too late.
>>
>> As has already been said, a lot of S/A and a little prayer... AKA head
> on
>> a
>> swivel at all times on any airport.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:34:03 PM PST US
> From: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying to Canada from US (and back)
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>
> I have flown across the border hundreds of times, and no one has ever
> asked to see my radio operators permit, nor the one for the
> aircraft. They are much more worried about what type of food you
> might have along, drugs, alcohol, guns, etc. Don't waste your time
> or money on the radio permits.
>
> Kevin Horton
> Ottawa, Canada
>
>
> On 10 Aug 2006, at 14:34, Jeff Dowling wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling"
>> <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Im planning on making my first international leg with my rv this
>> wknd. I checked out aopa's site and was surprised to find I needed
>> a stinkin' radio operators permit for me and the plane. 155 bucks
>> down the drain. Then another 25 for a customs decal. Add the fee
>> for air traffic control, which I dont know how it will be charged,
>> and its costing a lot more than I thought. Oh well, Ive heard the
>> fishing is ok.
>>
>> Any suggestions from anyone familiar with this type of flying? Im
>> planning on landing in Ontario at Dryden and plan to call customs
>> 24 hours in advance. No idea where to clear in MN yet.
>>
>> Shemp/Jeff Dowling
>> RV-6A, N915JD
>> 295 hours
>> Chicago/Louisville
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wheeler North" <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
>> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:46 PM
>> Subject: RV-List: TBM
>>
>>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
>>>
>>> Thanks Gert,
>>>
>>> It sounds like the TBM just missed seeing the smaller plane in the
>>> horizon
>>> of stuff.
>>>
>>> I might be painting my rudder day glo orange just because...
>>>
>>> It also sounds like there was initially a large gap between the
>>> TBM and the
>>> rest of the traffic when it first approached the north end of Papa
>>> which may
>>> have also led to him not identifying which was the next in line.
>>>
>>> The bottom line there is that if he was following the wrong plane
>>> and didn't
>>> know about the RV than nothing outside like walkers or radios
>>> could have
>>> fixed that as they would not know that he didn't know until he ran
>>> into it.
>>>
>>> Which is pretty much what happens in most mid air collisions ie
>>> neither
>>> pilot has identified the other's presence and relative location
>>> until it's
>>> too late.
>>>
>>> As has already been said, a lot of S/A and a little prayer... AKA
>>> head on a
>>> swivel at all times on any airport.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:00:40 PM PST US
> From: "George Tyler" <gptyler@metrocast.net>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Capella
>
> I built and flew one, It was a fun plane, great in the summer with the
> doors off. Flew about 90-105 mph. I got rid of it when I got my RV-6,
> but lots of times I wish I still had it for those low and slow days.
> Although I had no trouble with the manufacturer or the kit, I think he
> did have problems with timely deliveries that caused more than a few
> customer complaints. I am not even sure if they are still in business.
> George
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Furey
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:07 AM
> Subject: RV-List: Capella
>
>
> I have a friend that needs to go to LSA. He has come across a Capella
> with a Rotax912 that fits his price, anyone have information or opinions
> about this plane?
> Thanks
> John
> 2 RV6A completed
> RV7 in process
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:20:09 PM PST US
> From: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying to Canada from US (and back)
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
>
> I've been across the border a few times and like Kevin, was never asked
> for
> it. Our chapter has a good guide to flying to Canada although some of the
> data applies to us out west...
> http://www.edt.com/homewing/international/index.html
>
> Randy Lervold
> www.rv-3.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Horton" <khorton01@rogers.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:33 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying to Canada from US (and back)
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>>
>> I have flown across the border hundreds of times, and no one has ever
>> asked to see my radio operators permit, nor the one for the aircraft.
>> They are much more worried about what type of food you might have along,
>> drugs, alcohol, guns, etc. Don't waste your time or money on the radio
>> permits.
>>
>> Kevin Horton
>> Ottawa, Canada
>>
>>
>> On 10 Aug 2006, at 14:34, Jeff Dowling wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling"
>>> <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
>>>
>>> Im planning on making my first international leg with my rv this wknd.
>>> I checked out aopa's site and was surprised to find I needed a stinkin'
>>> radio operators permit for me and the plane. 155 bucks down the drain.
>>> Then another 25 for a customs decal. Add the fee for air traffic
>>> control, which I dont know how it will be charged, and its costing a
>>> lot
>>> more than I thought. Oh well, Ive heard the fishing is ok.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions from anyone familiar with this type of flying? Im
>>> planning on landing in Ontario at Dryden and plan to call customs 24
>>> hours in advance. No idea where to clear in MN yet.
>>>
>>> Shemp/Jeff Dowling
>>> RV-6A, N915JD
>>> 295 hours
>>> Chicago/Louisville
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wheeler North" <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
>>> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:46 PM
>>> Subject: RV-List: TBM
>>>
>>>
>>>> --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Gert,
>>>>
>>>> It sounds like the TBM just missed seeing the smaller plane in the
>>>> horizon
>>>> of stuff.
>>>>
>>>> I might be painting my rudder day glo orange just because...
>>>>
>>>> It also sounds like there was initially a large gap between the TBM
>>>> and
>>>> the
>>>> rest of the traffic when it first approached the north end of Papa
>>>> which may
>>>> have also led to him not identifying which was the next in line.
>>>>
>>>> The bottom line there is that if he was following the wrong plane and
>>>> didn't
>>>> know about the RV than nothing outside like walkers or radios could
>>>> have
>>>> fixed that as they would not know that he didn't know until he ran
>>>> into
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> Which is pretty much what happens in most mid air collisions ie
>>>> neither
>>>> pilot has identified the other's presence and relative location until
>>>> it's
>>>> too late.
>>>>
>>>> As has already been said, a lot of S/A and a little prayer... AKA head
>>>> on a
>>>> swivel at all times on any airport.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 11
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:12:26 PM PST US
> From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying to Canada from US (and back)
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> Jeff,
>
> Same here as Kevin...haven't been asked for my radio station license or
> restricted radiotelephone operator's permit (only flew to Canada once,
> Mexico several times). But I do have 'em to be "safe."
>
> Something you DO need to carry is a "Standardised Validation of a Special
> Airworthiness Certificate-Experimental" aboard your U.S. built homebuilt
> airplane. Doesn't need to be signed or anything, just print it out and
> carry it with your aircraft docs. See the bottom of this page:
>
> http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/ultralights/sfa/
>
> ...and here's a direct link:
>
> http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/ultralights/sfa/media/tcauth.pdf
>
> Gotta love how easy it is flying to Canada! I hope to fly to BC one of
> these years.
>
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D (1030 hours)
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Horton" <khorton01@rogers.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:33 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying to Canada from US (and back)
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>>
>> I have flown across the border hundreds of times, and no one has ever
>> asked to see my radio operators permit, nor the one for the aircraft.
>> They are much more worried about what type of food you might have along,
>> drugs, alcohol, guns, etc. Don't waste your time or money on the radio
>> permits.
>>
>> Kevin Horton
>> Ottawa, Canada
>>
>>
>> On 10 Aug 2006, at 14:34, Jeff Dowling wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling"
>>> <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
>>>
>>> Im planning on making my first international leg with my rv this wknd.
>>> I checked out aopa's site and was surprised to find I needed a stinkin'
>>> radio operators permit for me and the plane. 155 bucks down the drain.
>>> Then another 25 for a customs decal. Add the fee for air traffic
>>> control, which I dont know how it will be charged, and its costing a
>>> lot
>>> more than I thought. Oh well, Ive heard the fishing is ok.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions from anyone familiar with this type of flying? Im
>>> planning on landing in Ontario at Dryden and plan to call customs 24
>>> hours in advance. No idea where to clear in MN yet.
>>>
>>> Shemp/Jeff Dowling
>>> RV-6A, N915JD
>>> 295 hours
>>> Chicago/Louisville
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wheeler North" <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
>>> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:46 PM
>>> Subject: RV-List: TBM
>>>
>>>
>>>> --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Gert,
>>>>
>>>> It sounds like the TBM just missed seeing the smaller plane in the
>>>> horizon
>>>> of stuff.
>>>>
>>>> I might be painting my rudder day glo orange just because...
>>>>
>>>> It also sounds like there was initially a large gap between the TBM
>>>> and
>>>> the
>>>> rest of the traffic when it first approached the north end of Papa
>>>> which may
>>>> have also led to him not identifying which was the next in line.
>>>>
>>>> The bottom line there is that if he was following the wrong plane and
>>>> didn't
>>>> know about the RV than nothing outside like walkers or radios could
>>>> have
>>>> fixed that as they would not know that he didn't know until he ran
>>>> into
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> Which is pretty much what happens in most mid air collisions ie
>>>> neither
>>>> pilot has identified the other's presence and relative location until
>>>> it's
>>>> too late.
>>>>
>>>> As has already been said, a lot of S/A and a little prayer... AKA head
>>>> on a
>>>> swivel at all times on any airport.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 12
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:11:41 PM PST US
> From: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Vertical Card Compass in RV Panel Vertical Card
> Compass
> in RV Panel
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>
> On 10 Aug 2006, at 08:14, L Klingmuller wrote:
>
>> Oh yes, GPS have made compass obsolete but then again it is
>> required and you may find out the GPS does not work.
>
> The compass isn't obsolete if ATC asks you to fly a particular
> heading. They often give specific headings to various aircraft to
> ensure separation between them. This works as long as all the
> aircraft are actually flying heading. But, if there is a strong
> wind, there may be a large difference between heading and track. If
> one aircraft is flying heading, and another one is flying track, then
> separation may be compromised.
>
> I do agree that if you are navigating somewhere, track info is
> extremely useful, and heading info is much less useful.
>
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> Ottawa, Canada
> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 13
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:27:47 PM PST US
> From: gert <gert.v@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: RV-List: io360-a1b
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: gert <gert.v@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Hi Folks
>
> can anybody tell me the difference between the 06A19956 and STD2217 oil
> seals, both are 7/8" i.d. x 1-1/2" o.d. x 5/16" wide.
> according to the parts book, my vacuum pump adapter should have the
> 06A19956 seal, but has the STD2217 seal and it needs replacing,
>
>
> also, in the parts book, page 2-4 of the parts manual, it shows steel
> ring #3 to sit on top of the drive gear, under the tail of #16. However
> on page 5-4 of the overhaul manual as well as on page 1-23 of the limits
> and torque supplement, it shows the steel ring under the snapring
> holding the shaft in place. I looked at two adapters, and wouldn't u
> know, one had the ring on top and one had the ring at the bottom.
> Anybody knows the correct placement??
>
> any input greatly appreciated.
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Gert
>
> --
>
>
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> ________________________________ Message 14
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:48:22 PM PST US
> From: "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve@adelphia.net>
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Flying to Canada from US (and back)
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve@adelphia.net>
>
> I fly between Niagara falls and Toronto and can tell you I've also never
> had
> to show anyone a radio license. The Canadian immigration are great to deal
> with. I simply arrive at a port of entry, then from the fbo call customs
> and
> they will ask questions and possibly visit you if they feel the need. The
> problem is coming home. Once I was threatened with incarceration for
> opening
> the aircraft canopy before the customs agent said it was ok.....plus he
> was
> already pissed for me being 10 minutes early. I think Part of my
> punishment
> was to sit and bake in the sun...but dont despair, my marine experience
> has
> been exactly the same. So I know they're not singling out flyboys and
> flygirls.
> Steve d
> 40205
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Horton
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 3:34 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying to Canada from US (and back)
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>
> I have flown across the border hundreds of times, and no one has ever
> asked to see my radio operators permit, nor the one for the
> aircraft. They are much more worried about what type of food you
> might have along, drugs, alcohol, guns, etc. Don't waste your time
> or money on the radio permits.
>
> Kevin Horton
> Ottawa, Canada
>
>
> --
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this incoming message.
>
>
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| Subject: | Max Altitude in an RV |
I found this George in the archives.
"Note of interest alt champ according
to Van's specs is a 180HP RV-4 at 28,600 feet"
Where does one find this information?
I think I can beat this # above and plan a run at it tomorrow.
Whats the best way to log the data? What makes it an official reading?
My goal is to log the highest stock airframe RV altitude.
I ran the low 20's altitude last week and was running 190KTAS so Im sure
I got a lot of vertical umph left. Don't know how much but I plan on
finding out tomorrow.
Thanks
Mike
Do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com
In a message dated 8/11/06 7:22:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mstewart@iss.net
writes:
> My goal is to log the highest stock airframe RV altitude.
>
> I ran the low 20's altitude last week and was running 190KTAS so Im sure
> I got a lot of vertical umph left. Don't know how much but I plan on
> finding out tomorrow.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
> Do not archive
=======================
Mike:
Why would the airframe be the controlling factor in this altitude quest?
I can understand the drag factor and the lift factor of the wings but isn't
it the engine that determines the altitude?
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
"Show them the first time, correct them the second time, kick them the third
time."
Yamashiada
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| Subject: | Re: Max Altitude in an RV |
On 11 Aug 2006, at 07:18, Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote:
> I found this George in the archives.
>
> =93Note of interest alt champ according
> to Van's specs is a 180HP RV-4 at 28,600 feet=94
>
>
> Where does one find this information?
>
> I think I can beat this # above and plan a run at it tomorrow.
>
> Whats the best way to log the data? What makes it an official reading?
>
>
> My goal is to log the highest stock airframe RV altitude.
>
> I ran the low 20=92s altitude last week and was running 190KTAS so Im
> sure I got a lot of vertical umph left. Don=92t know how much but I
> plan on finding out tomorrow.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
> Do not archive
>
>
Talk to the soaring guys. They have altitude logging devices that
are used when they hope to qualify for one of their Diamond Badges.
If you want an official record, maybe there is a US altitude record
for aircraft powered with a normally-aspirated engine in your weight
class. Terry Jantzi set the Canadian record at over 26,000 ft in a
180 hp RV-6. That RV-4 number is almost certainly an extrapolation
of his record, assuming a bit less weight.
http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/high.html
Stock airframe? I'm amazed that you would put that heavy engine on
without making any airframe mods.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Re: Capella and other LSA's |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Sears" <jmsears@adelphia.net>
It's nice that some of us are lucky enough to have enough cash on hand to
afford one of the new LSA aircraft. Some are pretty nifty looking.
Unfortunately, I've read from readers of some publications that folks aren't
too happy about the pricing. Granted, it does cost to produce these
aircraft; but, most of the folks we're trying to get into the fold of
aviation can no longer support the costs of entry. Thus, we're trying to
get those who've had to leave, for some reason, to return. And what about
the ultralight pilots we'd like to convert?
With the cost of a new LSA ready-to-fly aircraft, most just shake their
heads and not bother.
Nic erred when he said to the RV-list that he can't understand why anyone
would want to build a RV-12 when there are so many good LSAs out there. As
Jerry mentioned, price would be a major factor to most of us, unless one is
looking for a good used LSA compliant aircraft. Some of those are pricey,
enough. Building an aircraft is how many of us can afford to have what we
want, even LSA.
When I read Nic's statement, I couldn't help but wonder why Nic is on the
RV-list. Based on his statement, he may be better off in a LSA discussion
group. I can't help but feel that he can better afford one than I can.
Sorry, Nic, for being blunt; but, not all of us are loaded with cash for
this hobby. Many, like myself, struggle to afford what little we have to
contribute to this hobby. A statement like the one you made makes us poor
folks cringe a little. :-(
I know this group is primarily made up of RV builders/flyers; so, it stands
to reason that when LSA comes up on this list, the RV-12 is the answer for
many of us. I've looked at some of the other kits, knowing that they fly
well, and wonder how their flimsy construction, when compared to a RV, can
hold together. I also wonder how well they'll hold up in the used aircraft
market. One of the main reasons I own my RV is that I know I can get most,
if not all, of my investment back out of it. I'm not so sure about those
others. I'm a little biased, Nic. I'll bet I'm not alone. :-)
Anyway, I'm betting Nic really didn't mean what he said the way he said it.
If he did, he's subscribed to the wrong list. Those of us on this list have
RVs in our blood. :-)
Jim Sears in KY
RV-12 in the future? Maybe.
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda@BPAENGINES.com>
The 06A19956 part number is the superceding p/n for STD-2217 according
to the Lycoming Parts History manual. Probably no difference other than
who the vendor is that was used to produce the part number, or a process
change in how the seal was manufactured.
Rhonda
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gert
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:07 PM
Subject: RV-List: io360-a1b
--> RV-List message posted by: gert <gert.v@sbcglobal.net>
Hi Folks
can anybody tell me the difference between the 06A19956 and STD2217 oil
seals, both are 7/8" i.d. x 1-1/2" o.d. x 5/16" wide.
according to the parts book, my vacuum pump adapter should have the
06A19956 seal, but has the STD2217 seal and it needs replacing,
also, in the parts book, page 2-4 of the parts manual, it shows steel
ring #3 to sit on top of the drive gear, under the tail of #16. However
on page 5-4 of the overhaul manual as well as on page 1-23 of the limits
and torque supplement, it shows the steel ring under the snapring
holding the shaft in place. I looked at two adapters, and wouldn't u
know, one had the ring on top and one had the ring at the bottom.
Anybody knows the correct placement??
any input greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Gert
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| Subject: | Max Altitude in an RV |
I don't know a soaring guy. Guess I'll have to find one.
"I'm amazed that you would put that heavy engine on without making any
airframe mods."
Yeah nuts aint it:-)
Thanks for the great idea.
Mike
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Horton
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Max Altitude in an RV
On 11 Aug 2006, at 07:18, Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote:
I found this George in the archives.
"Note of interest alt champ according
to Van's specs is a 180HP RV-4 at 28,600 feet"
Where does one find this information?
I think I can beat this # above and plan a run at it tomorrow.
Whats the best way to log the data? What makes it an official reading?
My goal is to log the highest stock airframe RV altitude.
I ran the low 20's altitude last week and was running 190KTAS so Im sure
I got a lot of vertical umph left. Don't know how much but I plan on
finding out tomorrow.
Thanks
Mike
Do not archive
Talk to the soaring guys. They have altitude logging devices that are
used when they hope to qualify for one of their Diamond Badges. If you
want an official record, maybe there is a US altitude record for
aircraft powered with a normally-aspirated engine in your weight class.
Terry Jantzi set the Canadian record at over 26,000 ft in a 180 hp RV-6.
That RV-4 number is almost certainly an extrapolation of his record,
assuming a bit less weight.
http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/high.html
Stock airframe? I'm amazed that you would put that heavy engine on
without making any airframe mods.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Flying to Canada from US (and back) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Just saw this, as well. Not sure if it was already referenced.
CROSSING THE BORDER: CHECKLIST FOR FLIGHTS TO CANADA
If you've already made a trip or two to Canada but need a refresher before
you begin your next trip, AOPA and the Canadian Owners and Pilots
Association offer a quick-reference checklist. The checklist details what
personal and aircraft documentation is needed to make the trip, along with
tips for your arrival to and departure from Canada. Plus the list can be
printed on one page so that you can keep it handy during the trip.
Check list is here:
http://www.aopa.org/members/pic/intl/canada/briefing.html#checklist
John Jessen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Horton
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 2:53 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying to Canada from US (and back)
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
The procedures for Canada Customs are here:
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/E/pub/cp/rc4341/rc4341-e.html
You need to call them before leaving the US (1-888-226-7277 at least two
hours before your arrival time). Then after landing, if there is no Customs
officer there to meet you, call them again. No one can leave the aircraft,
except the pilot if he has to leave to make that phone call. Quite often
they will not come out to meet the aircraft, and will simply give you a
clearance number once you phone them after arrival in Canada.
Also, due to US TSA requirements, you need to in communication with an ATC
agency, and have a discrete transponder code when crossing the border. This
can be accomplished by either being on an IFR flight plan, or being on
flight following as you approach the border. You must be on a flight plan
to cross the border.
You also need to know that there are a few procedural differences in Canada.
For example, circuit joining procedures are a bit different. A 45 to
downwind is not on the list of approved entry procedures, so other traffic
won't be looking for you if you do that entry. Instead, there is a midfield
downwind entry, where you cross the field and join mid downwind.
Kevin Horton
On 10 Aug 2006, at 23:47, Steven DiNieri wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Steven DiNieri"
> <capsteve@adelphia.net>
>
> I fly between Niagara falls and Toronto and can tell you I've also
> never had to show anyone a radio license. The Canadian immigration are
> great to deal with. I simply arrive at a port of entry, then from the
> fbo call customs and they will ask questions and possibly visit you if
> they feel the need. The problem is coming home. Once I was threatened
> with incarceration for opening the aircraft canopy before the customs
> agent said it was ok.....plus he was already pissed for me being 10
> minutes early. I think Part of my punishment was to sit and bake in
> the sun...but don't despair, my marine experience has been exactly the
> same. So I know they're not singling out flyboys and flygirls.
> Steve d
> 40205
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Horton
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 3:34 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying to Canada from US (and back)
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>
> I have flown across the border hundreds of times, and no one has ever
> asked to see my radio operators permit, nor the one for the aircraft.
> They are much more worried about what type of food you might have
> along, drugs, alcohol, guns, etc. Don't waste your time or money on
> the radio permits.
>
> Kevin Horton
> Ottawa, Canada
>
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| Subject: | Flying to Canada from US (and back) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve@adelphia.net>
Wow, they really must be easy going. I was shown by my instructor 10 or so
years ago, how to cross over the border, and it didnt include calling
ahead. I really should learn the current regs. But I haven't received any
slack for showing up unannounced...YET... although I always file a vfr
flight plan. And I suppose it has an eta they may use, also the Toronto
center controllers are talking to us most of the way, so I think they must
know I'm coming.
Thanks for the link, now I'll have to change my evil ways....
Steve
40205
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
The procedures for Canada Customs are here:
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/E/pub/cp/rc4341/rc4341-e.html
You need to call them before leaving the US (1-888-226-7277 at least
two hours before your arrival time). Then after landing, if there is
no Customs officer there to meet you, call them again. No one can
leave the aircraft, except the pilot if he has to leave to make that
phone call. Quite often they will not come out to meet the aircraft,
and will simply give you a clearance number once you phone them after
arrival in Canada.
Also, due to US TSA requirements, you need to in communication with
an ATC agency, and have a discrete transponder code when crossing the
border. This can be accomplished by either being on an IFR flight
plan, or being on flight following as you approach the border. You
must be on a flight plan to cross the border.
You also need to know that there are a few procedural differences in
Canada. For example, circuit joining procedures are a bit
different. A 45 to downwind is not on the list of approved entry
procedures, so other traffic won't be looking for you if you do that
entry. Instead, there is a midfield downwind entry, where you cross
the field and join mid downwind.
Kevin Horton
On 10 Aug 2006, at 23:47, Steven DiNieri wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Steven DiNieri"
> <capsteve@adelphia.net>
>
> I fly between Niagara falls and Toronto and can tell you I've also
> never had
> to show anyone a radio license. The Canadian immigration are great
> to deal
> with. I simply arrive at a port of entry, then from the fbo call
> customs and
> they will ask questions and possibly visit you if they feel the
> need. The
> problem is coming home. Once I was threatened with incarceration
> for opening
> the aircraft canopy before the customs agent said it was
> ok.....plus he was
> already pissed for me being 10 minutes early. I think Part of my
> punishment
> was to sit and bake in the sun...but dont despair, my marine
> experience has
> been exactly the same. So I know they're not singling out flyboys and
> flygirls.
> Steve d
> 40205
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Horton
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 3:34 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying to Canada from US (and back)
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>
> I have flown across the border hundreds of times, and no one has ever
> asked to see my radio operators permit, nor the one for the
> aircraft. They are much more worried about what type of food you
> might have along, drugs, alcohol, guns, etc. Don't waste your time
> or money on the radio permits.
>
> Kevin Horton
> Ottawa, Canada
>
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| Subject: | Max Altitude in an RV |
Oh Kevin,
I forgot to ask, where does one find these classes of records. I have
scoured the internet with no luck.
Thanks
Mike
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Horton
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Max Altitude in an RV
On 11 Aug 2006, at 07:18, Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote:
I found this George in the archives.
"Note of interest alt champ according
to Van's specs is a 180HP RV-4 at 28,600 feet"
Where does one find this information?
I think I can beat this # above and plan a run at it tomorrow.
Whats the best way to log the data? What makes it an official reading?
My goal is to log the highest stock airframe RV altitude.
I ran the low 20's altitude last week and was running 190KTAS so Im sure
I got a lot of vertical umph left. Don't know how much but I plan on
finding out tomorrow.
Thanks
Mike
Do not archive
Talk to the soaring guys. They have altitude logging devices that are
used when they hope to qualify for one of their Diamond Badges. If you
want an official record, maybe there is a US altitude record for
aircraft powered with a normally-aspirated engine in your weight class.
Terry Jantzi set the Canadian record at over 26,000 ft in a 180 hp RV-6.
That RV-4 number is almost certainly an extrapolation of his record,
assuming a bit less weight.
http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/high.html
Stock airframe? I'm amazed that you would put that heavy engine on
without making any airframe mods.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Re: Max Altitude in an RV |
--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
On Aug 11, 2006, at 7:38 AM, Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote:
> Oh Kevin,
>
> I forgot to ask, where does one find these classes of records. I
> have scoured the internet with no luck.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
http://www.fai.org/
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
Previous glider world record holder http://records.fai.org/gliding/
history.asp?id1=DW&id2=1&id3=19
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| Subject: | Painter/Fiberglasser wanted |
--> RV-List message posted by: sjhdcl@kingston.net
I'm looking for a professional painter for my RV-7A. Not only am I
looking for a painter but someone who is willing to put a little elbow
grease into the fiberglass and provide a show quality job.
I'm will have little opportunity to fly my aircraft between Nov 2006 and
Feb 2007 and therefore was wondering if anybody knew someone that could
paint the airplane during this time.
My number one choice would be GLO Custom but I beleive the timing would be
too tight for them.
Any other suggestions? The airplane is currently near Toronto but I'm
willing to fly it anywhere in Canada/US.
Steve
RV7A
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| Subject: | Re: Max Altitude in an RV |
For a 540 powered RV, try Bruce Bohannon's Flying Tiger...49,000 + ft.
John
Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote:
>
> Oh Kevin,
>
> I forgot to ask, where does one find these classes of records. I have
> scoured the internet with no luck.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Horton
> *Sent:* Friday, August 11, 2006 8:27 AM
> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Max Altitude in an RV
>
>
>
> On 11 Aug 2006, at 07:18, Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote:
>
>
> I found this George in the archives.
>
> "*Note of interest alt champ according*
>
> *to Van's specs is a 180HP RV-4 at 28,600 feet"*
>
> * *
>
> *Where does one find this information?*
>
> *I think I can beat this # above and plan a run at it tomorrow.*
>
> *Whats the best way to log the data? What makes it an official reading?*
>
> * *
>
> *My goal is to log the highest stock airframe RV altitude.*
>
> *I ran the low 20's altitude last week and was running 190KTAS so Im
> sure I got a lot of vertical umph left. Don't know how much but I
> plan on finding out tomorrow.*
>
> *Thanks*
>
> *Mike*
>
> *Do not archive*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Talk to the soaring guys. They have altitude logging devices that are
> used when they hope to qualify for one of their Diamond Badges. If
> you want an official record, maybe there is a US altitude record for
> aircraft powered with a normally-aspirated engine in your weight
> class. Terry Jantzi set the Canadian record at over 26,000 ft in a
> 180 hp RV-6. That RV-4 number is almost certainly an extrapolation of
> his record, assuming a bit less weight.
>
>
>
> http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/high.html
> <http://home.hiwaay.net/%7Esbuc/journal/high.html>
>
>
>
> Stock airframe? I'm amazed that you would put that heavy engine on
> without making any airframe mods.
>
>
>
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
>
> Ottawa, Canada
>
> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Max Altitude in an RV |
Yup ... That's what I was trying to remember Mike.
Also see: http://www.naa.aero/ for US only I think.
James
On 8/11/06, Larry Pardue <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com> wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2006, at 7:38 AM, Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote:
>
> > Oh Kevin,
> >
> > I forgot to ask, where does one find these classes of records. I
> > have scoured the internet with no luck.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Mike
> http://www.fai.org/
>
> Larry Pardue
> Carlsbad, NM
>
> RV-6 N441LP Flying
> Previous glider world record holder http://records.fai.org/gliding/
> history.asp?id1=DW&id2=1&id3=19
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Painter/Fiberglasser wanted |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Steve, take a look at your local auto body shop. If you have one that
specializes in antique or custom cars ..... they're usually better. You
can probably get a guy to come to the airport to do the fine work ....
and the FG too. You only have to remove the wings and put it on a tilt
bed trailer to get it there. Just a thought!
Linn
do not archive
sjhdcl@kingston.net wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: sjhdcl@kingston.net
>
>I'm looking for a professional painter for my RV-7A. Not only am I
>looking for a painter but someone who is willing to put a little elbow
>grease into the fiberglass and provide a show quality job.
>
>I'm will have little opportunity to fly my aircraft between Nov 2006 and
>Feb 2007 and therefore was wondering if anybody knew someone that could
>paint the airplane during this time.
>
>My number one choice would be GLO Custom but I beleive the timing would be
>too tight for them.
>
>Any other suggestions? The airplane is currently near Toronto but I'm
>willing to fly it anywhere in Canada/US.
>
>Steve
>RV7A
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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<mailto:eagleldy2@yahoo.com>
The Sad Passing of Common Sense.
Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who
has
been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was since
his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape.
He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as
knowing when to come in out of the rain, why the early bird gets the
worm, life isn't always fair, and maybe it was my fault.
Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more
than you earn) and reliable parenting strategies (adults, not children,
are in charge).
His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well intentioned but
overbearing regulations were set in place.
Reports of a six-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing
a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after
lunch;
and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened
his
condition.
Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the
job
they themselves failed to do in disciplining their unruly children.
It declined even further when schools were required to get parental
consent to administer Panadol, sun lotion or a sticky plaster to a
student but could not inform the parents when a student became pregnant
and wanted to have an abortion.
Common Sense lost the will to live as the Ten Commandments became
contraband; churches became businesses; and criminals received better
treatment than their victims.
Common Sense took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a
burglar in your own home with the burglar suing you for assault.
Common Sense finally gave up the will to live after a woman failed to
realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in
her lap and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.
Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and Trust; by
his wife, Discretion; by his daughter, Responsibility; and by his son,
Reason. He is survived by three stepbrothers: I Know My Rights, Someone
Else is to Blame, and I'm A Victim.
Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone. If
you
still remember him, pass this on. If not, join the majority and do
nothing
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| Subject: | Re: Hotshots and Rules |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob <panamared3@brier.net>
In reference to all of the editorials on the Oshkosh accident, I would like
to change the subject slightly.
Many people have expressed concern for the pilot of the TBM accident
aircraft at Oshkosh. Since I don't know him, I might say he may have been
like a lot of other hotshot pilots I have met. Big airplane has the right
of way, if you are in a smaller airplane you better get out of the way
before you are run over.
Many people want more rules and if Air Adventure was run by the Army, then
the rules would end up like: no more than 3 aircraft on the taxiway at a
time, 3 minute separation between takeoffs and mandatory wingwalkers for
all aircraft. When you tell the Army that is unworkable, their answer
would be, then don't come to Oshkosh!
Rules sometimes make sense, but when the rule is designed to overcome a
poor attitude and lack of good judgement then they become obnoxious. No
one has yet made a rule for those who refuse to follow them and I know some
pilots that are quite proud of their ability to violate the rules and get
away with it.
In my opinion the culprit of this accident was a "poor attitude." Poor
attitude towards safety, rights of others and the generally acceptable
rules and procedures. I believe we have enough rules that if followed
would have prevented the accident.
As my Uncle a long time USAF Pilot and Wing Safety Officer once told me,
"the rules are written in blood! Those who do not follow them will rewrite
them." I think the TBM pilot just rewrote one.
Bob
RV 6
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| Subject: | Syrian Factory Built RV-6A? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
http://www.aii-co.com/en/ava202.asp
Why haven't I heard about this?
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://n5lp.net
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| Subject: | Re: Hotshots and Rules |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Olen Goodwin" <ogoodwin@comcast.net>
<QUOTE>I might say he may have been
like a lot of other hotshot pilots I have met. Big airplane has the right
of way, if you are in a smaller airplane you better get out of the way
before you are run over.<END QUOTE>
I usually try to keep my replies of a reasonable and polite tone. I admit,
though, this one needs all the restraint I have.
Bob, how you can put together a personality profile without ever meeting,
seeing, or hearing about the TBM pilot before this accident mystifies me.
You outdo Dr. Phil. At least he is looking at the people he's analyzing.
I've been in the airplane flying business for over 30 years and have
associated (and flown) with little airplane guys, military pilots, airline
pilots, and just about every "subspecie" of all those categories. I've
found little difference in the groups: each has good proficient, safe
consciencious individuals and each has the other kind. I've never been able
to say "XXX pilots are hotshots and therefore less than me." which is what
you are implying.
I will refrain from trying to place you in any category, although it's
tempting.
Olen Goodwin
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob" <panamared3@brier.net>
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Hotshots and Rules
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bob <panamared3@brier.net>
>
> In reference to all of the editorials on the Oshkosh accident, I would
> like to change the subject slightly.
>
> Many people have expressed concern for the pilot of the TBM accident
> aircraft at Oshkosh. Since I don't know him, I might say he may have been
> like a lot of other hotshot pilots I have met. Big airplane has the right
> of way, if you are in a smaller airplane you better get out of the way
> before you are run over.
>
> Many people want more rules and if Air Adventure was run by the Army,
> then the rules would end up like: no more than 3 aircraft on the taxiway
> at a time, 3 minute separation between takeoffs and mandatory wingwalkers
> for all aircraft. When you tell the Army that is unworkable, their answer
> would be, then don't come to Oshkosh!
>
> Rules sometimes make sense, but when the rule is designed to overcome a
> poor attitude and lack of good judgement then they become obnoxious. No
> one has yet made a rule for those who refuse to follow them and I know
> some pilots that are quite proud of their ability to violate the rules and
> get away with it.
>
> In my opinion the culprit of this accident was a "poor attitude." Poor
> attitude towards safety, rights of others and the generally acceptable
> rules and procedures. I believe we have enough rules that if followed
> would have prevented the accident.
>
> As my Uncle a long time USAF Pilot and Wing Safety Officer once told me,
> "the rules are written in blood! Those who do not follow them will
> rewrite them." I think the TBM pilot just rewrote one.
>
> Bob
> RV 6
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hotshots and Rules |
--> RV-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
interesting read, and I can understand how somebody can jump to the conclusion
that the TBM pilot was a hot heat. Personally I don't think so, but then again
I'm not the one to judge that. I come across peope every day that have the
perverbial hot head mentality. I am currently flying a little fly in the sky
as compaired to the other aircraft I'm in contact with every day, literally every
day because I fly every day generally. About 4 weeks ago I was doing touch
and goes by myself, usually with the wife on my daily flies, and on final for
the flight a Cessna Citation was on final and I of course work things out so
he landed and I followed right behind, high and long on the landing. After I
was down I put the fox away and went to pick up the wife at the FBO, she was flabergasted
by the pilot of the Citation, seems he got the red carpet treatment,
literally, my wife said the guy in the FBO said that they had to be prepaired
to wipe this guys feet off and clean his airplane inside and out right on the
spot. They are instructed never to speak to this guy unless spoken to first
and when doing so you can't look in his eyes. Wow! is all I could say to myself.
I don't like to make judgement on anybody, but people like this do bother
me. I had somebody on the freeway two days ago in a fancy car and suit. He
tried to pull in front of me, I said to myself, hay you rich son of a gun, who
do you think you are? Then I thought hey wait a minute I make over 300k a year,
hay buddy get in line.
The reality is, you don't know who might be in that little airplane, could be the
biggest jerk, or a nice guy. Same goes for the guy in that big airplane, could
be the biggest jerk, or a nice guy.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
rv7 wingkit
reserved 287RV
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=54140#54140
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| Subject: | Re: Painter/Fiberglasser wanted |
--> RV-List message posted by: Steve Eberhart <steve@newtech.com>
Be careful with auto body shop people that haven't worked on aluminum,
EPOXY reinforced fiberglass, etc. The first thing an auto bodyman will
pick up when working on your fiberglass is polyester body filler
"Bondo". Bondo over alodined aluminum is OK but polyester body filler
doesn't bond to epoxy "worth a crap" (technical term). I know people
will report that it works fine for them but just wait, flexing and
vibration will eventually cause the bond to give way and then you have a
crack in your beautiful show finish. Van's uses a mix of epoxy
reinforced and polyester resin reinforced parts. Generally, if it is
gel coated it is polyester resin and OK to use Bondo on. If the finish
is clear resin, i.e. cowling, then don't go near it with polyester body
filler, use epoxy based fiber-Fil.
Steve Eberhart
RV-7A, ready to finish rivet the fuselage back together
And yes, I have painted an RV-8
linn Walters wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>
> Steve, take a look at your local auto body shop. If you have one that
> specializes in antique or custom cars ..... they're usually better.
> You can probably get a guy to come to the airport to do the fine work
> .... and the FG too. You only have to remove the wings and put it on
> a tilt bed trailer to get it there. Just a thought!
> Linn
> do not archive
>
> sjhdcl@kingston.net wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: sjhdcl@kingston.net
>>
>> I'm looking for a professional painter for my RV-7A. Not only am I
>> looking for a painter but someone who is willing to put a little elbow
>> grease into the fiberglass and provide a show quality job.
>>
>> I'm will have little opportunity to fly my aircraft between Nov 2006 and
>> Feb 2007 and therefore was wondering if anybody knew someone that could
>> paint the airplane during this time.
>>
>> My number one choice would be GLO Custom but I beleive the timing
>> would be
>> too tight for them.
>>
>> Any other suggestions? The airplane is currently near Toronto but I'm
>> willing to fly it anywhere in Canada/US.
>>
>> Steve
>> RV7A
>
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| Subject: | Re: Syrian Factory Built RV-6A? |
Max level speed at Sea Level = 140kts????? (Must be without wheel pants).
Looks like a 6A but then why would they do wind tunnel tests? Hmmmm.
Interesting.
James
On 8/11/06, Larry Pardue <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com> wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
>
> http://www.aii-co.com/en/ava202.asp
>
> Why haven't I heard about this?
>
> Larry Pardue
> Carlsbad, NM
>
> RV-6 N441LP Flying
> http://n5lp.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Syrian Factory Built RV-6A? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
On 10:26:14 2006-08-11 "James Clark" <jclarkmail@gmail.com> wrote:
> Max level speed at Sea Level = 140kts????? (Must be without wheel
> pants).
>
> Looks like a 6A but then why would they do wind tunnel tests? Hmmmm.
Not sure if they are identical or not, but the ones built for the Nigerian
Air Force had differences from the stock -6A. I think longer wings was one
of the differences. Was it still aerobatic?
With the change in configuration, maybe they wanted to confirm the design
themselves before allowing it to be produced? If it's a certified airplane
in (wherever it's built), maybe the wind tunnel tests were part of that
certification.
-Rob
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| Subject: | Re: Syrian Factory Built RV-6A? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
Sure looks like an RV-6A to me. Big question is Has Van's heard about it?!
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 11:53 AM
Subject: RV-List: Syrian Factory Built RV-6A?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
>
> http://www.aii-co.com/en/ava202.asp
>
> Why haven't I heard about this?
>
> Larry Pardue
> Carlsbad, NM
>
> RV-6 N441LP Flying
> http://n5lp.net
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Painter/Fiberglasser wanted |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Very good points. And highly technical too! :-D There's good shops
and bad, so go see some of their work too. The feedback I get from
folks that went to an aircraft paint facility isn't very good. They're
really optomists. Their ability to schedule appears to be non-existent.
I know that there must be some shops out there that are really good
(and really pricey) which is why the auto body places are so tempting.
The points Steve made are valid no matter who does the work ..... so
choose your path carefully.
Linn
do not archive
Steve Eberhart wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Steve Eberhart <steve@newtech.com>
>
> Be careful with auto body shop people that haven't worked on aluminum,
> EPOXY reinforced fiberglass, etc. The first thing an auto bodyman
> will pick up when working on your fiberglass is polyester body filler
> "Bondo". Bondo over alodined aluminum is OK but polyester body filler
> doesn't bond to epoxy "worth a crap" (technical term). I know people
> will report that it works fine for them but just wait, flexing and
> vibration will eventually cause the bond to give way and then you have
> a crack in your beautiful show finish. Van's uses a mix of epoxy
> reinforced and polyester resin reinforced parts. Generally, if it is
> gel coated it is polyester resin and OK to use Bondo on. If the
> finish is clear resin, i.e. cowling, then don't go near it with
> polyester body filler, use epoxy based fiber-Fil.
>
> Steve Eberhart
> RV-7A, ready to finish rivet the fuselage back together
> And yes, I have painted an RV-8
>
> linn Walters wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Steve, take a look at your local auto body shop. If you have one
>> that specializes in antique or custom cars ..... they're usually
>> better. You can probably get a guy to come to the airport to do the
>> fine work .... and the FG too. You only have to remove the wings and
>> put it on a tilt bed trailer to get it there. Just a thought!
>> Linn
>> do not archive
>>
>> sjhdcl@kingston.net wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: sjhdcl@kingston.net
>>>
>>> I'm looking for a professional painter for my RV-7A. Not only am I
>>> looking for a painter but someone who is willing to put a little elbow
>>> grease into the fiberglass and provide a show quality job.
>>>
>>> I'm will have little opportunity to fly my aircraft between Nov 2006
>>> and
>>> Feb 2007 and therefore was wondering if anybody knew someone that could
>>> paint the airplane during this time.
>>>
>>> My number one choice would be GLO Custom but I beleive the timing
>>> would be
>>> too tight for them.
>>>
>>> Any other suggestions? The airplane is currently near Toronto but I'm
>>> willing to fly it anywhere in Canada/US.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>> RV7A
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying to Canada from US (and back) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mark Doble" <mark@stratologic.net>
i'm planning on flying to Tornonto in the next month...
Anyone that has flown the Canadian border a few times.....
have you ever been asked for proof of $100,000 liability insurance?
thanks,
Mark.
ps. not looking for any insurance recommendations....thanks.
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| Subject: | Re: Syrian Factory Built RV-6A? |
It has a 9 (28') wingspan but smaller tanks.
Dave
Dale Ensing wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
>
>Sure looks like an RV-6A to me. Big question is Has Van's heard about it?!
>Dale
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 11:53 AM
>Subject: RV-List: Syrian Factory Built RV-6A?
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
>>
>>http://www.aii-co.com/en/ava202.asp
>>
>>Why haven't I heard about this?
>>
>>Larry Pardue
>>Carlsbad, NM
>>
>>RV-6 N441LP Flying
>>http://n5lp.net
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Syrian Factory Built RV-6A? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
On Aug 11, 2006, at 1:06 PM, D.Bristol wrote:
> It has a 9 (28') wingspan but smaller tanks.
>
> Dave
>
Yep, and Iranian, not Syrian, as I said. I relayed confusion from
another site. Excellent cruise speed flaps down, though.
Do not archive
Larry Pardue
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| Subject: | Ammeter question |
--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
Hi:
All you experts in electrical....here is the question..
when I turn the master switch, if I load any of the switches, such
as Taxi lights or Strobes anything at all, the Ammeter, shows Charge..
that is needle goes to Positive...should be to discharge, negative.
UP to last week,, everything was fine....since First flight....
It does same when Running engine... everything else seems to be fine/..
What say you....I should check...how to correct this.
Thanks
Bert
rv6a
flying
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Syrian Factory Built RV-6A? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
On 11 Aug 2006, at 16:21, Larry Pardue wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2006, at 1:06 PM, D.Bristol wrote:
>
>> It has a 9 (28') wingspan but smaller tanks.
>>
>> Dave
>>
> Yep, and Iranian, not Syrian, as I said. I relayed confusion from
> another site. Excellent cruise speed flaps down, though.
>
> Do not archive
And it comes with a massage from the CEO :)
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Re: Syrian Factory Built RV-6A? |
I've always wished my 6 had better flaps down cruise speed.
Dave
do not archive
Larry Pardue wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2006, at 1:06 PM, D.Bristol wrote:
>
>> It has a 9 (28') wingspan but smaller tanks.
>>
>> Dave
>>
> Yep, and Iranian, not Syrian, as I said. I relayed confusion from
> another site. Excellent cruise speed flaps down, though.
>
> Do not archive
>
> Larry Pardue
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ammeter question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
bertrv6@highstream.net wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
>
>
>Hi:
>
>All you experts in electrical....here is the question..
>when I turn the master switch, if I load any of the switches, such
>as Taxi lights or Strobes anything at all, the Ammeter, shows Charge..
>that is needle goes to Positive...should be to discharge, negative.
>
>UP to last week,, everything was fine....since First flight....
>
>It does same when Running engine... everything else seems to be fine/..
>
>What say you....I should check...how to correct this.
>
>Thanks
>
>
>Bert
>
>rv6a
>
>flying
>
>do not archive
>
>
>
>
As I understand it an ammeter should go higher the more things you turn
on, it is measuring the amp load on the system.
Jerry
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Ammeter question |
If it's a meter with a "0" center and reads + and -, then it should go
left or negative with stuff turned on and the engine not running. When
the battery is fully charged and the engine is running it should read
about zero or to the + side if the battery is low like just after a
start. This kind of ammeter shows the current flowing in and out of the
battery, the other kind that reads from 0 on the left and 80 or whatever
your max is, is telling you what current is coming out of the alternator.
I don't see how it could have reversed it's reading unless someone
changed something (like re-connected the shunt backwards) assuming that
it's just a simple analog ammeter. If it's a digital device of some
kind, then I don't have a clue.
Dave
Jerry Springer wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
>
> bertrv6@highstream.net wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
>>
>>
>> Hi:
>>
>> All you experts in electrical....here is the question..
>> when I turn the master switch, if I load any of the switches, such
>> as Taxi lights or Strobes anything at all, the Ammeter, shows Charge..
>> that is needle goes to Positive...should be to discharge, negative.
>>
>> UP to last week,, everything was fine....since First flight....
>>
>> It does same when Running engine... everything else seems to be fine/..
>>
>> What say you....I should check...how to correct this.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> Bert
>>
>> rv6a
>>
>> flying
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> As I understand it an ammeter should go higher the more things you
> turn on, it is measuring the amp load on the system.
>
> Jerry
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Ammeter question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Beadle" <dan.beadle@inclinesoftworks.com>
It depends where you put the ammeter in the system.
If you put it between the ammeter and the buss, it is measuring the output
from the ammeter - should go higher with more things turned on. This style
never goes negative. But if it is on the b lead between the buss and the
main starter feed, it measures current into / out of the battery. In that
case, it should read negative when you turn on a load but don't have the
engine running. It should read positive after start as the alternator
recharges the battery, then it should go to zero as the battery stops taking
charge.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Springer
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Ammeter question
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
bertrv6@highstream.net wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
>
>
>Hi:
>
>All you experts in electrical....here is the question..
>when I turn the master switch, if I load any of the switches, such
>as Taxi lights or Strobes anything at all, the Ammeter, shows Charge..
>that is needle goes to Positive...should be to discharge, negative.
>
>UP to last week,, everything was fine....since First flight....
>
>It does same when Running engine... everything else seems to be fine/..
>
>What say you....I should check...how to correct this.
>
>Thanks
>
>
>Bert
>
>rv6a
>
>flying
>
>do not archive
>
>
>
>
As I understand it an ammeter should go higher the more things you turn
on, it is measuring the amp load on the system.
Jerry
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Ammeter question |
--> RV-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com
In a message dated 8/11/06 4:41:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bertrv6@highstream.net writes:
> Hi:
>
> All you experts in electrical....here is the question..
> when I turn the master switch, if I load any of the switches, such
> as Taxi lights or Strobes anything at all, the Ammeter, shows Charge..
> that is needle goes to Positive...should be to discharge, negative.
>
> UP to last week,, everything was fine....since First flight....
>
> It does same when Running engine... everything else seems to be fine/..
>
> What say you....I should check...how to correct this.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Bert
========================
Bert:
I'm guessing here but I would say that last week you had the same problem but
you missed it. Sounds like the problem is the ammeter is installed
backwards.
If it isn't they you are missing something or not telling us the entire story.
Engine OFF
Master ON
Lights ON
AMMETER should show a DISCHARGE
Turn the Lights OFF
Start the engine
Turn LIGHTS ON
AMMETER should show a CHARGE
Gots to ax a dumb question ... The Ammeter does show in BOTH directions ...
charge and discharge?
I know dumb, but had the same question asked about a meter that ONLY showed
CHARGED direction.
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
"Show them the first time, correct them the second time, kick them the third
time."
Yamashiada
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| Subject: | Re: Ammeter question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "dorante@juno.com" <dorante@juno.com>
Bert:
In order to diagnose your problem, it would be very helpful to
measure system voltage. Put a voltmeter across the battery. A fully
charged batter should measure 12.0 - 12.5 VDC. Without the engine
running, and some load, the voltage should start to drop. After
starting the engine, the voltage should go up to 13.5 to 14.5VDC. This
is the output voltage of the alternator (regulated). Increase the load
on the electrical system by turning on landing lights, and other large
loads, and the voltage should not change, maybe a slight drop.
I have had problems with automotive ammeters. Some use a shunt
resistor, and others pass the BATT wire through a coil. The latter
type I have found to be troublesome because they require a straight
length of wire going through the coil.
I have found two very useful, inexpensive tools for troubleshooting
charging system problems. First, a voltage/charging indicator using 3
LED's that plugs into a cigarette lighter. Radio Shack used to sell
these for about $10. The good thing about this is that you do not have
to be near the prop to record voltage. Second, a DC clamp on ammeter
that can be placed on a battery cable. This ammeter is not real
accurate, but it will show current direction and magnitude. I got
mine from Sears years ago.
When I finish my RV-6A, I will have only a Voltmeter in the panel.
Voltage is a much better indicator of battery health and charging
system operation than an ammeter. IMHO, ammeters are almost useless.
Hope this helps.
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Painter/Fiberglasser wanted |
In a message dated 08/11/2006 9:25:01 AM Central Daylight Time,
sjhdcl@kingston.net writes:
I'm looking for a professional painter for my RV-7A.
http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=5270
Still very pleased 1-1/2 yrs later.
Mark Phillips
http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/
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| Subject: | Syrian Factory Built RV-6A? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster@flion.com>
Well, the 101 looks pretty familiar, and so does the 303, which they at
least credit with the Polish manufacturer. My question; how big a market is
there in Iran?
Pat Kelley - RV-6A - in hangar now! Gear on and fitting wings.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Pardue
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 8:53 AM
Subject: RV-List: Syrian Factory Built RV-6A?
--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
http://www.aii-co.com/en/ava202.asp
Why haven't I heard about this?
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://n5lp.net
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| Subject: | Re: Painter/Fiberglasser wanted |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Nellis <truflite@yahoo.com>
I have been involved with RC aircraft for 30 years. I
have used both polyester and epoxy. Polyester 1.
never fully cures, it is in a years long curing
process. As time goes on, it becomes more brittle and
will crack from vibration, heat, cold or impact. 2.
will never laminate permanently to epoxy. It will
delaminate, it just a matter of when and when is a
short period of time.
Epoxy will be more resiliant in all enviroments.
Check out West System Epoxy. You will get an
education.
Dave
--- Steve Eberhart <steve@newtech.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Steve Eberhart
> <steve@newtech.com>
>
> Be careful with auto body shop people that haven't
> worked on aluminum,
> EPOXY reinforced fiberglass, etc. The first thing
> an auto bodyman will
> pick up when working on your fiberglass is polyester
> body filler
> "Bondo". Bondo over alodined aluminum is OK but
> polyester body filler
> doesn't bond to epoxy "worth a crap" (technical
> term). I know people
> will report that it works fine for them but just
> wait, flexing and
> vibration will eventually cause the bond to give way
> and then you have a
> crack in your beautiful show finish. Van's uses a
> mix of epoxy
> reinforced and polyester resin reinforced parts.
> Generally, if it is
> gel coated it is polyester resin and OK to use Bondo
> on. If the finish
> is clear resin, i.e. cowling, then don't go near it
> with polyester body
> filler, use epoxy based fiber-Fil.
>
> Steve Eberhart
> RV-7A, ready to finish rivet the fuselage back
> together
> And yes, I have painted an RV-8
>
> linn Walters wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters
> <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
> >
> > Steve, take a look at your local auto body shop.
> If you have one that
> > specializes in antique or custom cars .....
> they're usually better.
> > You can probably get a guy to come to the airport
> to do the fine work
> > .... and the FG too. You only have to remove the
> wings and put it on
> > a tilt bed trailer to get it there. Just a
> thought!
> > Linn
> > do not archive
> >
> > sjhdcl@kingston.net wrote:
> >
> >> --> RV-List message posted by:
> sjhdcl@kingston.net
> >>
> >> I'm looking for a professional painter for my
> RV-7A. Not only am I
> >> looking for a painter but someone who is willing
> to put a little elbow
> >> grease into the fiberglass and provide a show
> quality job.
> >>
> >> I'm will have little opportunity to fly my
> aircraft between Nov 2006 and
> >> Feb 2007 and therefore was wondering if anybody
> knew someone that could
> >> paint the airplane during this time.
> >>
> >> My number one choice would be GLO Custom but I
> beleive the timing
> >> would be
> >> too tight for them.
> >>
> >> Any other suggestions? The airplane is currently
> near Toronto but I'm
> >> willing to fly it anywhere in Canada/US.
> >>
> >> Steve
> >> RV7A
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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