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1. 03:31 AM - Re: -8 Battery Location . where too put it ? (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
2. 04:15 AM - Re: -8 Battery Location . where too put it ? (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8le_Delsol?=)
3. 04:21 AM - Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl now heat chart (Dana Overall)
4. 06:20 AM - Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl (John Huft)
5. 06:55 AM - Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
6. 07:36 AM - Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl (Dan Checkoway)
7. 08:01 AM - Re: ADI Pilot II (PGLong@aol.com)
8. 08:09 AM - Re: Re deburing before dimpling (Dan Beadle)
9. 08:10 AM - Re: Outside Air Temp add on (Dan Beadle)
10. 08:45 AM - Re: Outside Air Temp add on (Ralph E. Capen)
11. 08:47 AM - Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl (Phil Birkelbach)
12. 09:30 AM - Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
13. 10:23 AM - Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl (Rick Galati)
14. 10:24 AM - Re: Outside Air Temp add on (Tim Bryan)
15. 10:43 AM - ER Tanks ()
16. 11:28 AM - Re: Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl (scott bilinski)
17. 12:12 PM - Re: ER Tanks (Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty)
18. 12:14 PM - Re: Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl (Tracy Crook)
19. 12:38 PM - Re: ER Tanks (Ralph E. Capen)
20. 05:47 PM - Re: -8 Battery Location . where too put it ? (Randy Lervold)
21. 06:55 PM - GPS antenna under cowl (jim & terri truitt)
22. 07:07 PM - Holes under horizonal stab (Bobby Hester)
23. 07:42 PM - Insurance? (Bobby Hester)
24. 07:45 PM - Re: Holes under horizonal stab (Kyle Boatright)
25. 08:03 PM - F635 bellcrank ()
26. 09:08 PM - Re: Outside Air Temp add on (Dan Beadle)
27. 09:12 PM - Re: -8 Battery Location . where too put it ? (Dan Beadle)
28. 09:54 PM - Fw: RV3 for sale (Rick Fogerson)
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| Subject: | -8 Battery Location . where too put it ? |
There are several discussions in the archives.
There is no question that with your setup you will want the battery in
the back under the rear baggage deck with this setup you have below.
Once you choose the io-360, your in the back.
Your weight is of no consequence.
Best,
Mike
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 1:06 AM
Subject: RV-List: -8 Battery Location . where too put it ?
I'm up to the Battery box, and have noticed quite a few people mounting
it aft of the firewall, looks clean and helps with CG but stock looks
good too. ??
U plan on (still lookin but leaning twords) an IO 360 180hp CS, I'm only
170lbs
Ideas? picture?
Thanks,
Dan
-8 Fuselage
Lake Stevens, WA
N928RV reserved
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| Subject: | -8 Battery Location . where too put it ? |
Ditto on my 8 IO360 + MT CS. Real issue is CG. There are several things
you
can put in the back: Battery, external power source, ELT and Strobe
Power
supply (I have three, one for the tail strobe and one at each wing
tip.).
Battery is aft as per Vans=92s location. External Power Source is right
next
to it.
Tail strobe power supply is between bulkheads 805 and 806 (near 806)
which
makes it further back than the battery.
ELT is undecided ' I will probably put it on the shelf of the rear
baggage
compartment to make it easily accessible if needed.
I went for this set up following long discussions. If I end up tail
heavy I
can always move both the ELT and the Tail Strobe Power source to the
forward
baggage compartment. There is also the tie down pegs and the spares and
tools I=92ll be carrying along which will help me adjust CG when the
time
comes.
Regards,
Mich=E8le
RV8 Finishing
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stewart,
Michael
(ISS Atlanta)
Sent: mercredi 3 janvier 2007 12:27
Subject: RE: RV-List: -8 Battery Location . where too put it ?
There are several discussions in the archives.
There is no question that with your setup you will want the battery in
the
back under the rear baggage deck with this setup you have below.
Once you choose the io-360, your in the back.
Your weight is of no consequence.
Best,
Mike
Do not archive
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 1:06 AM
Subject: RV-List: -8 Battery Location . where too put it ?
I'm up to the Battery box, and have noticed quite a few people mounting
it
aft of the firewall, looks clean and helps with CG but stock looks good
too.
??
U plan on (still lookin but leaning twords) an IO 360 180hp CS, I'm only
170lbs
Ideas? picture?
Thanks,
Dan
-8 Fuselage
Lake Stevens, WA
N928RV reserved
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl now heat chart |
>From: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>Just out of curiosity, what color is the antenna? If it's black (or any
>dark color) & under a closed canopy, it could easily approach 200 degrees
>on a sunny day...
>
Nor even considering the greenhouse effect of the canopy here is an old
chart from my prior building days. Interesting here is the difference
between red and black, lots of red RV's................hum:-)
http://kr.flyboybob.com/images/kr2/kr2plans-drwg90.jpg
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackwing1.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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>From photos to predictions, The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes has
it all. http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl |
Dan Checkoway wrote:
> I don't buy the 35F over ambient thing...
>
> )_( Dan
Before you say something like that Dan, you should try actually
measuring it. I have, and got similar results to Tracy's.
John
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* David Leonard <mailto:wdleonard@gmail.com>
> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:53 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
>
> Dan, I thought your GPS antennas were under the fore-deck under
> fiberglass. I liked the idea so much I also cut a hole in my
> for-deck, and covered it with fiberglass. I plan to mount all my
> satellite antennas under there.
>
> Dave Leonard
>
> Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
> My websites at:
> http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html
> http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html
> http://leonardiniraq.blogspot.com
>
> On 1/2/07, *Dan Checkoway* <dan@rvproject.com
> <mailto:dan@rvproject.com>> wrote:
>
> With a tip-up canopy, you could mount the GPS antenna on a
> little shelf sticking out beside the cabin frame support channel.
>
> Or, if you're slick, you could cut a little "window" in the
> top of the support channel and install the antenna IN the channel.
>
> All that said, my main GPS antenna is under the cowl.
>
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D (1166 hours)
> www.rvproject.com <http://www.rvproject.com/> /
> www.weathermeister.com <http://www.weathermeister.com/>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Garry <mailto:garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 02, 2007 5:06 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
>
>
> How do you get a clear view of the satellites if your
> antenna is in the baggage bay under a metal skin?
>
> Garry Stout
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Robin Marks <mailto:robin1@mrmoisture.com>
> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com
> <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:41 PM
> *Subject:* RE: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
>
>
>
> As sweet as the cowl install was going to be I opted
> for placing the antenna in the baggage area after
> considering the potential of having to replace a $500
> antenna plus the time to re-rout to a new location. I
> spoke with Garmin this morning and their operating
> range for GXM 30A antenna is -40 to +185 F. It seems
> like we can get close to +185F under the cowl or in a
> closed Tip Up in Texas/Arizona. Heck, sometimes it
> feels like 185 F in the shade in Texas.
>
> I have a feeling that the standard tear drop Garmin
> GPS antenna may be more heat resistant than the GXM 30A.
>
> Thanks for the suggestions & photos.
>
> Robin
>
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl |
Dan,
If you are saying that it gets hotter than that, I agree. There is quite a
bit of engine heat that accumulates behind the baffle from the exhaust and oil
sump. I also believe the curves -- without engine heat.
I have a very simple GPS antenna installation. The Garmin 295 is mounted in
the panel. A 6 inch length of RG-400 goes to a BNC bulkhead connector on the
glareshield (sliding canopy). The portable antenna from the 295 then sits on
the topside of the connector. It has always gotten good reception.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
In a message dated 1/2/2007 11:32:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dan@rvproject.com writes:
I do have GPS and XM antennas under there (under the access panels). It's
just my primary panel mounted GPS antenna that's under the cowl. The other
antennas "seemed" more fragile in terms of temperature tolerance, and I didn't
want yet a few more firewall penetrations.
Under cowl temps can get quite hot when the plane is sitting after a flight
in the summertime. I don't buy the 35F over ambient thing...
)_( Dan
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl |
Interesting. Still call me a skeptic, but I agree about measuring it.
I'll get some nonreversible temperature strips from McMaster and see
what it hits.
http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?pagenum=519 (middle of that
page)
)_( Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: John Huft
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 6:19 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
Dan Checkoway wrote:
I don't buy the 35F over ambient thing...
)_( Dan
Before you say something like that Dan, you should try actually
measuring it. I have, and got similar results to Tracy's.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: David Leonard
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
Dan, I thought your GPS antennas were under the fore-deck under
fiberglass. I liked the idea so much I also cut a hole in my for-deck,
and covered it with fiberglass. I plan to mount all my satellite
antennas under there.
Dave Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
My websites at:
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html
http://leonardiniraq.blogspot.com
On 1/2/07, Dan Checkoway <dan@rvproject.com> wrote:
With a tip-up canopy, you could mount the GPS antenna on a
little shelf sticking out beside the cabin frame support channel.
Or, if you're slick, you could cut a little "window" in the top
of the support channel and install the antenna IN the channel.
All that said, my main GPS antenna is under the cowl.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (1166 hours)
www.rvproject.com / www.weathermeister.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Garry
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
How do you get a clear view of the satellites if your antenna
is in the baggage bay under a metal skin?
Garry Stout
----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Marks
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:41 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
As sweet as the cowl install was going to be I opted for
placing the antenna in the baggage area after considering the potential
of having to replace a $500 antenna plus the time to re-rout to a new
location. I spoke with Garmin this morning and their operating range for
GXM 30A antenna is -40 to +185 F. It seems like we can get close to
+185F under the cowl or in a closed Tip Up in Texas/Arizona. Heck,
sometimes it feels like 185 F in the shade in Texas.
I have a feeling that the standard tear drop Garmin GPS
antenna may be more heat resistant than the GXM 30A.
Thanks for the suggestions & photos.
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: ADI Pilot II |
Hi Steve
I installed Tru Trak's ADI Pilot II last fall and have loved each time I
used it. It's my first pilot so cannot compare with other's. I did remove my
vacuum system completely and ended up a little lighter. Still think it the
greatest thing as I can now check a chart without ending upside down.....
Pat Long
PGLong@aol.com
N120PL
RV 4
Bay City, Michigan
3CM
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| Subject: | Re deburing before dimpling |
I suspect that punching leaves more stress in the aluminum than drilling.
The match drilling and deburring relieves that stress prior to dimpling
(which probably leaves more stress).
So, for me, drill, deburr is still the way to go. Even with that, matched
hole saves a ton of time.
Dan
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Prior
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re deburing before dimpling
On 16:17 2007-01-02 jim green <jgreen_sg@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The part that I am interested in is that he says 'do not debur if you
> plan to dimple'. Sure would save a ton of time on the fuselage.
It would be really, really, interesting to hear what his reasons were for
that instruction. Especially if he's referring to metalworking when you
have no pre-punched hole to work with. Drilling a hole from scratch in a
piece of sheet aluminum is almost guaranteed to leave a burr.
I found when working on the Vertical Stab that the pre-punched holes didn't
leave much if any burr when they were drilled out, but the ribs and forward
spar (which weren't pre-punched on my early -7 kit) left a measurable burr
when the holes were drilled.
I deburred both before dimpling by running a scotchbrite pad down the
surfaces. It smoothed off all the holes quite nicely, with very little
concern of accidentally "chamfering" the holes.
-Rob
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| Subject: | Outside Air Temp add on |
The new VM1000C is just getting ready to ship. It has a ton of new
features. And it is field upgradable.
You might consider an upgrade - the VM1000C fits in the same hole.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:29 AM
Subject: RV-List: Outside Air Temp add on
Hi all,
I have a VM1000 in my RV-6 but do not have any OAT or CAT. I would like to
add at least the OAT to my plane. Is there a simple probe/ gauge system I
can get anybody knows of? I thought I could add a probe to my VM1000 but
don't see anything on the web site. It is included in the newer VM1000C but
looks like a separate gauge on the earlier one like mine.
Thanks
Tim
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| Subject: | Outside Air Temp add on |
The VM1000C may fit in the same hole - but....
If you have mounted something above your standard VM1000, the 'C' may not fit because
of space requirements above and behind (forward) the panel.
This is one of the questions that I have been trying to get answered as I was considering
a re-fit to get some of the new features.
Unfortunately, I first asked my question of them right before they became part
of JPI. They still haven't answered me.
And I'm not sure I wanna give JPI any of my money anyway
-----Original Message-----
>From: Dan Beadle <dan.beadle@inclinesoftworks.com>
>Sent: Jan 3, 2007 11:09 AM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Outside Air Temp add on
>
>
>The new VM1000C is just getting ready to ship. It has a ton of new
>features. And it is field upgradable.
>
>You might consider an upgrade - the VM1000C fits in the same hole.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan
>Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:29 AM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Outside Air Temp add on
>
>
>Hi all,
>
>I have a VM1000 in my RV-6 but do not have any OAT or CAT. I would like to
>add at least the OAT to my plane. Is there a simple probe/ gauge system I
>can get anybody knows of? I thought I could add a probe to my VM1000 but
>don't see anything on the web site. It is included in the newer VM1000C but
>looks like a separate gauge on the earlier one like mine.
>
>Thanks
>Tim
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl |
I have two GPS antennas mounted on my glare shield (slider canopy).
They both get great reception. At first I thought they might be a
distraction, but that fear was unfounded. I never notice them while
flying.
Godspeed,
Phil Birkelbach
RV-7 - 727WB
www.myrv7.com
On Jan 3, 2007, at 8:53 AM, Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> Dan,
>
> If you are saying that it gets hotter than that, I agree. There is
> quite a bit of engine heat that accumulates behind the baffle from
> the exhaust and oil sump. I also believe the curves -- without
> engine heat.
>
> I have a very simple GPS antenna installation. The Garmin 295 is
> mounted in the panel. A 6 inch length of RG-400 goes to a BNC
> bulkhead connector on the glareshield (sliding canopy). The
> portable antenna from the 295 then sits on the topside of the
> connector. It has always gotten good reception.
>
> Dan Hopper
> RV-7A
>
>
> In a message dated 1/2/2007 11:32:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> dan@rvproject.com writes:
> I do have GPS and XM antennas under there (under the access
> panels). It's just my primary panel mounted GPS antenna that's
> under the cowl. The other antennas "seemed" more fragile in terms
> of temperature tolerance, and I didn't want yet a few more firewall
> penetrations.
>
> Under cowl temps can get quite hot when the plane is sitting after
> a flight in the summertime. I don't buy the 35F over ambient thing...
>
> )_( Dan
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl |
Dan and Phil,
Same here, Phil. I have a compass up there anyway, so I can't even see the
GPS antenna.
Dan, I was referring to the heat after engine shutdown. As I reread my post
I see that that could be interpreted as meaning while flying. I didn't mean
that.
do not archive.
Dan H
In a message dated 1/3/2007 11:49:47 AM Eastern Standard Time,
phil@petrasoft.net writes:
I have two GPS antennas mounted on my glare shield (slider canopy). They
both get great reception. At first I thought they might be a distraction, but
that fear was unfounded. I never notice them while flying.
Godspeed,
Phil Birkelbach
RV-7 - 727WB
www.myrv7.com
On Jan 3, 2007, at 8:53 AM, Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote:
Dan,
If you are saying that it gets hotter than that, I agree. There is quite a
bit of engine heat that accumulates behind the baffle from the exhaust and oil
sump. I also believe the curves -- without engine heat.
I have a very simple GPS antenna installation. The Garmin 295 is mounted in
the panel. A 6 inch length of RG-400 goes to a BNC bulkhead connector on the
glareshield (sliding canopy). The portable antenna from the 295 then sits on
the topside of the connector. It has always gotten good reception.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
In a message dated 1/2/2007 11:32:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dan@rvproject.com writes:
I do have GPS and XM antennas under there (under the access panels). It's
just my primary panel mounted GPS antenna that's under the cowl. The other
antennas "seemed" more fragile in terms of temperature tolerance, and I didn't
want yet a few more firewall penetrations.
Under cowl temps can get quite hot when the plane is sitting after a flight
in the summertime. I don't buy the 35F over ambient thing...
)_( Dan
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl |
robin1(at)mrmoisture.com wrote:
> I have seen a photo of several GPS antennas mounted on a plate under the cowl
of an RV (sweet installation). I researched the archives but cant seem to find
it. Can anyone direct me to that image....My biggest concern is the Garmin GXM
30A antenna under the cowl with the heat. Garmin list price for replacing that
antenna... $495.00 Sure hate to BBQ that unit. Comments/Suggestions? .....
When I planned my GPS antenna installation, I contacted Garmin about those concerns
and was assured heat is not an issue. The major caution they advised was
simply avoiding the application of metallic paint on the cowl directly above the
antenna. If using a metallic paint, they suggested leaving a flat black or
other non-metallic coating directly above and around the antenna's light of sight.
With 200 operational hours, my installation has proved to be trouble free.
Signal acquision is within moments of firing up. I have never lost a signal
in flight or even on the ground for that matter.
I have found it is usually best to simply contact the manufacturer with my technical
concerns as opposed to wading through a lot of opinion on open forums.
Do yourself a favor and contact Garmin for your own peace of mind. Enclosed is
an attachment of the under-the-cowl shelf I fabricated from .032 stock for my
GPS antenna. I played around with cardboard patterns until I had the design
I wanted.
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/4637/gps220bk2.jpg
Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla"
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=85211#85211
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| Subject: | Outside Air Temp add on |
The VM1000C uses different sensors, etc as they wire directly to the dash
display. The previous VM1000 wires to a DPU with a ribbon cable to the
dash. This may make the upgrade cost prohibitive. Interestingly, the DPU
has inputs spots on the connectors for OAT and CAT. I fail to understand
why if there is no provision in the display for them.
VMS has told me they do not have any stock for the separate gauges which
match my VM1000. They will not have any for quite some time and cannot say
when they will. I sent them a fairly direct e-mail requesting information
on what may happen with VMS as I have invested in their product. If I can't
buy more products and I can't get stuffed fixed or replaced, they are
becoming a non vendor. I can't help but notice if you do a search on Chief
Aircraft of Spruce you will no longer find Vision Microsystems product.
Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Beadle
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:10 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Outside Air Temp add on
>
> <dan.beadle@inclinesoftworks.com>
>
> The new VM1000C is just getting ready to ship. It has a ton of new
> features. And it is field upgradable.
>
> You might consider an upgrade - the VM1000C fits in the same hole.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan
> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:29 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Outside Air Temp add on
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have a VM1000 in my RV-6 but do not have any OAT or CAT. I would like
> to
> add at least the OAT to my plane. Is there a simple probe/ gauge system I
> can get anybody knows of? I thought I could add a probe to my VM1000 but
> don't see anything on the web site. It is included in the newer VM1000C
> but
> looks like a separate gauge on the earlier one like mine.
>
> Thanks
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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I've been trying to contact safeair1 for the past few months regarding extended
range fuel tanks they offer for RV's, but have so far been unsucessful. Has anybody
dealt with them, or does anyone know if they're still in business? Their
web site is still up and running, and an answering machine is connected to their
phone line, but I've not gotten any response from them. Thanks for any assistance.
James Baker
RV-8 Wings
Kathy
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl |
Speaking of expensive GPS antennas, there was an article in Kit Planes a wh
ile back that had a roll your own antenna for about..........20 bucks? They
had several different types and they worked just as well if not better tha
n the expensive ones...........So if you do barbque the antenna find that a
rticle and make one for cheap!=0A =0AScott Bilinski=0ARV-8a=0A=0A=0A----- O
riginal Message ----=0AFrom: Rick Galati <rick6a@yahoo.com>=0ATo: rv-list@m
atronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, January 3, 2007 10:19:35 AM=0ASubject: RV-L
k Galati" <rick6a@yahoo.com>=0A=0A=0Arobin1(at)mrmoisture.com wrote:=0A> I
have seen a photo of several GPS antennas mounted on a plate under the cowl
of an RV (sweet installation). I researched the archives but can=99t
seem to find it. Can anyone direct me to that image....My biggest concern
is the Garmin GXM 30A antenna under the cowl with the heat. Garmin list pri
ce for replacing that antenna... $495.00 Sure hate to BBQ that unit. Commen
ts/Suggestions? .....=0A=0A=0AWhen I planned my GPS antenna installation, I
contacted Garmin about those concerns and was assured heat is not an issue
. The major caution they advised was simply avoiding the application of met
allic paint on the cowl directly above the antenna. If using a metallic pa
int, they suggested leaving a flat black or other non-metallic coating dire
ctly above and around the antenna's light of sight. With 200 operational ho
urs, my installation has proved to be trouble free. Signal acquision is wi
thin moments of firing up. I have never lost a signal in flight or even on
the ground for that matter. =0A=0AI have found it is usually best to simp
ly contact the manufacturer with my technical concerns as opposed to wading
through a lot of opinion on open forums. Do yourself a favor and contact
Garmin for your own peace of mind. Enclosed is an attachment of the under-
the-cowl shelf I fabricated from .032 stock for my GPS antenna. I played a
round with cardboard patterns until I had the design I wanted.=0A=0Ahttp://
img510.imageshack.us/img510/4637/gps220bk2.jpg=0A=0ARick Galati RV-6A "Da
rla"=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronic
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It's my understanding that they have been purchased by Wag-Aero, please try
this number:
800-558-6868
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: <rockbottom@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:42 PM
Subject: RV-List: ER Tanks
>
> I've been trying to contact safeair1 for the past few months regarding
> extended range fuel tanks they offer for RV's, but have so far been
> unsucessful. Has anybody dealt with them, or does anyone know if they're
> still in business? Their web site is still up and running, and an
> answering machine is connected to their phone line, but I've not gotten
> any response from them. Thanks for any assistance.
>
> James Baker
> RV-8 Wings
>
> Kathy
>
>
> --
> 2:58 PM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl |
I've long since deleted the original message on this subject but it was
my impression that the antenna in question was the Garmin GPS *XM*
antenna which is a different animal than the actual GPS antenna. I
could be wrong.
BTW, I just installed my 496 and it only takes one flight while looking
at the weather around you in real time to get hooked. I'd feel naked
without it now.
Why didn't the FAA just buy a satellite channel for weather instead of
that silly, expensive, incomplete ground based system they decided on?
Rhetorical question I guess. They love ground based systems for "turf
reasons".
Tracy Crook
Rotary powered RV-4 & -8, 1600+ hrs.
----- Original Message -----
From: scott bilinski<mailto:rv8a2001@yahoo.com>
To: rv-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
Speaking of expensive GPS antennas, there was an article in Kit Planes
a while back that had a roll your own antenna for about..........20
bucks? They had several different types and they worked just as well if
not better than the expensive ones...........So if you do barbque the
antenna find that article and make one for cheap!
Scott Bilinski
RV-8a
----- Original Message ----
From: Rick Galati <rick6a@yahoo.com>
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2007 10:19:35 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
robin1(at)mrmoisture.com wrote:
> I have seen a photo of several GPS antennas mounted on a plate under
the cowl of an RV (sweet installation). I researched the archives but
can=99t seem to find it. Can anyone direct me to that image....My
biggest concern is the Garmin GXM 30A antenna under the cowl with the
heat. Garmin list price for replacing that antenna... $495.00 Sure hate
to BBQ that unit. Comments/Suggestions? .....
When I planned my GPS antenna installation, I contacted Garmin about
those concerns and was assured heat is not an issue. The major caution
they advised was simply avoiding the application of metallic paint on
the cowl directly above the antenna. If using a metallic paint, they
suggested leaving a flat black or other non-metallic coating directly
above and around the antenna's light of sight. With 200 operational
hours, my installation has proved to be trouble free. Signal acquision
is within moments of firing up. I have never lost a signal in flight or
even on the ground for that matter.
I have found it is usually best to simply contact the manufacturer
with my technical concerns as opposed to wading through a lot of opinion
on open forums. Do yourself a favor and contact Garmin for your own
peace of mind. Enclosed is an attachment of the under-the-cowl shelf I
fabricated from .032 stock for my GPS antenna. I played around with
cardboard patterns until I had the design I wanted.
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/4637/gps220bk2.jpg<http://img510.image
shack.us/img510/4637/gps220bk2.jpg>
Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla"
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=85211#85211<=
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Not true - just talked to them....try them again.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty <jfogarty@tds.net>
>Sent: Jan 3, 2007 3:10 PM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: ER Tanks
>
>
>It's my understanding that they have been purchased by Wag-Aero, please try
>this number:
>
>800-558-6868
>
>Jim
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <rockbottom@bellsouth.net>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:42 PM
>Subject: RV-List: ER Tanks
>
>
>>
>> I've been trying to contact safeair1 for the past few months regarding
>> extended range fuel tanks they offer for RV's, but have so far been
>> unsucessful. Has anybody dealt with them, or does anyone know if they're
>> still in business? Their web site is still up and running, and an
>> answering machine is connected to their phone line, but I've not gotten
>> any response from them. Thanks for any assistance.
>>
>> James Baker
>> RV-8 Wings
>>
>> Kathy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> 2:58 PM
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: -8 Battery Location . where too put it ? |
Ditto on what Mike (Kahuna) says except one thing... it actually DOES
matter how much you weigh. Surprisingly I ran some W&B spreadsheet
numbers for a buddy of mine who weighs 245 while I weigh 170.
Interestingly we found that he will never experience the fwd CG that I
do and therefore he put his battery just behind the firewall. I have
flown several RV-8s and trust me, you want it in the back if you are 170
lbs.
Randy Lervold
www.rv-8.com
www.rv-3.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 3:26 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: -8 Battery Location . where too put it ?
There are several discussions in the archives.
There is no question that with your setup you will want the battery in
the back under the rear baggage deck with this setup you have below.
Once you choose the io-360, your in the back.
Your weight is of no consequence.
Best,
Mike
Do not archive
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 1:06 AM
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV-List: -8 Battery Location . where too put it ?
I'm up to the Battery box, and have noticed quite a few people
mounting it aft of the firewall, looks clean and helps with CG but stock
looks good too. ??
U plan on (still lookin but leaning twords) an IO 360 180hp CS, I'm
only 170lbs
Ideas? picture?
Thanks,
Dan
-8 Fuselage
Lake Stevens, WA
N928RV reserved
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| Subject: | GPS antenna under cowl |
Not sure about the fragility of your chosen antenna, but I installed the factory
antenna puck from my Bendix-King KMD-150 about 1 inch under the cowling, center
mounted, just behind the baffels, on a supported aluminum plate. No problems
in 334 hours and I have lost signal only once in a heavy overcast. The GPS
locks on after startup in about 40 seconds.
Don't even think about mounting it on top of the glare shield - you will get the
reflection in the windshield. FWIW.
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| Subject: | Holes under horizonal stab |
Ok, I'm ready to drill and tap the holes for the strips under Horizonal
stab, the one that close up the gap. It appears that I'm ging to have to
remove the tail to be able to do this :-(
Please tell me it is no so! How have you guys done this?
--
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Surfing the web from my laptop in Hopkinsville, KY
Visit my RV7A site: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
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Hoping to need insurance soon. I'm thinking I'll just call NationAir.
Anybody got their's recently with any input?
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Visit my RV7A site: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
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| Subject: | Re: Holes under horizonal stab |
Make them the same way you made the strips that cover the gap between your
wing and fuselage:
Use an offset tracing tool to transfer the profile of the HS to the aluminum
strips. Just tape the strips immediately below the HS, then measure the
distance (call it "X") from the leading edge of the HS down to the aluminum
strips. Make an aluminum spacer which will hold a sharpie X inches from
whatever the spacer is touching. Use this combination up against the HS to
transfer its shape to the aluminum strips. Pull the strips loose, trim to
shape, and you're done. You may want to try it on a piece of cardboard
first just to make sure your technique is good...
By the way, there is no reason to drill and tap the holes for those strips.
Why not just pop rivet the strips to the airframe. Simpler, faster, and
there is no reason to ever remove the strips.
KB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bobby Hester" <bobbyhester@charter.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:06 PM
Subject: RV-List: Holes under horizonal stab
>
> Ok, I'm ready to drill and tap the holes for the strips under Horizonal
> stab, the one that close up the gap. It appears that I'm ging to have to
> remove the tail to be able to do this :-(
> Please tell me it is no so! How have you guys done this?
>
> --
> ------
> Surfing the web from my laptop in Hopkinsville, KY
> Visit my RV7A site: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
>
>
>
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I just installed the F-635 bellcrank,
that one that's mounted mid-fuse. The instructions say there should
be no side to side movement. My spacers fit snug and the washers are
tight against the bearing, but if you hold the crank by the long
portion, you get a small amount of movement in the bearing itself.
I posted on Vansairforce.net, but only
got one response. Ken Scott at Vans says it will "probably" be OK. I
hate that word. Before I order any new parts, I want to make sure
that my bearing is bad or not. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Jorge Fernandez
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| Subject: | Outside Air Temp add on |
The VM1000c is a major upgrade to the VM1000. Some of the improvements are:
- Color LCD
- Self Contained (No DPU)
- higher quality sensors - Thermocouples throughout vs RTD's.
- Expansion capabilities through EC100, voice, 90 MIPS CPU.
The current unit is about the same size as the prior VM1000 display - about
2.5" deep and fits the same hole.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:21 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Outside Air Temp add on
The VM1000C uses different sensors, etc as they wire directly to the dash
display. The previous VM1000 wires to a DPU with a ribbon cable to the
dash. This may make the upgrade cost prohibitive. Interestingly, the DPU
has inputs spots on the connectors for OAT and CAT. I fail to understand
why if there is no provision in the display for them.
VMS has told me they do not have any stock for the separate gauges which
match my VM1000. They will not have any for quite some time and cannot say
when they will. I sent them a fairly direct e-mail requesting information
on what may happen with VMS as I have invested in their product. If I can't
buy more products and I can't get stuffed fixed or replaced, they are
becoming a non vendor. I can't help but notice if you do a search on Chief
Aircraft of Spruce you will no longer find Vision Microsystems product.
Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Beadle
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:10 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Outside Air Temp add on
>
> <dan.beadle@inclinesoftworks.com>
>
> The new VM1000C is just getting ready to ship. It has a ton of new
> features. And it is field upgradable.
>
> You might consider an upgrade - the VM1000C fits in the same hole.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan
> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:29 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Outside Air Temp add on
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have a VM1000 in my RV-6 but do not have any OAT or CAT. I would
> like to add at least the OAT to my plane. Is there a simple probe/
> gauge system I can get anybody knows of? I thought I could add a
> probe to my VM1000 but don't see anything on the web site. It is
> included in the newer VM1000C but looks like a separate gauge on the
> earlier one like mine.
>
> Thanks
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | -8 Battery Location . where too put it ? |
We went with IO390 forward battery. But we are using ACI light prop and we
have an aux battery aft. We also put a 33' O2 tank aft. That works out for
great balance for us.
In general, if only one battery and IO360, you pretty much have to aft
mount. A friend put his in the forward baggage area, but he is still
pushing forward CG. Adding more weight (aux battery, O2) give more freedom.
We wanted the battery front to reduce cable weight and voltage drop durning
cranking. It is also much easier to service. Our 7 AH emergency battery is
probably going aft, but may be under pilot seat.
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 10:06 PM
Subject: RV-List: -8 Battery Location . where too put it ?
I'm up to the Battery box, and have noticed quite a few people mounting it
aft of the firewall, looks clean and helps with CG but stock looks good too.
??
U plan on (still lookin but leaning twords) an IO 360 180hp CS, I'm only
170lbs
Ideas? picture?
Thanks,
Dan
-8 Fuselage
Lake Stevens, WA
N928RV reserved
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| Subject: | Fw: RV3 for sale |
History: I'm selling my RV3 (4th project todate). Retirement is hell
so I need another RV building project. I have $52,000 plus and 6700 hrs
invested. I'll list a few features, contact me for pictures and more
features:
Prop: Catto 3 blade w prop guard. Dynamic balance check of prop on
engine w computerised system showed no improvement possible.
Engine: Aerosport Power I0320, new crank, dual elect ign., millinium
cyl's., 40 hrs TSMO.
Cockpit: FULL leather, 3 density temperfoam seat, 5 pt. seat belts w
rotary latch.
Avionics/Inst's: Skymap GPS, Ball, G-meter, GRT EIS, Digitrak AP, RMtn
encoder
Microair transponder and receiver, AOA.
Electrical: Bob Nuchols designed system for dual batterys and dual
elec. ign.
Other: Many other features that make this a great airplane.
Contact: Rick Fogerson at 208-853-0436 or rickf@cableone.net
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