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1. 08:57 AM - Re: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and Oshkosh, WI (Matt Dralle)
2. 09:41 AM - Re: Re: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and Oshkosh, WI (Fisher Paul A.)
3. 10:13 AM - Re: RV8-List: Re: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and Oshkosh, WI (Shaun Dawson)
4. 10:34 AM - Re: Re: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and Oshkosh, WI (Ralph Finch)
5. 10:50 AM - Re: Re: RV8-List: Re: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and Oshkosh, WI (Ralph Finch)
6. 02:23 PM - Re: How to determine drill bit sharpness? (Ken Brooks)
7. 03:11 PM - Re: Re: How to determine drill bit sharpness? (Jeff Luckey)
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and Oshkosh, WI |
At 05:24 PM 3/20/2014 Thursday, you wrote:
>--> Avionics-List message posted by: Ralph Finch <ralphmariafinch@gmail.com>
>
>Why did I want the -200? For the same reasons Matt cited. I just
>don't see the benefit of merely replacing some circuit breakers that
>is essentially the role of the VP-X.
I think the biggest downfall of the VP-200 was that potential customers didn't
really understand just how *awesome* the automation functionality is and how it
really works. Many times at fly-ins or other events where I've had an opportunity
to show off the VP-200, fellow homebuilders are in awe of the automation
after I've take a few minutes to explain just how it works and how it significantly
reduces my workload during the various phases of flight. The fact that
the VP-200 knows, based on GPS/RPM/AHRS data exactly what mode of flight that
I'm in - Start/Taxi/Runup/Takeoff/Cruse/Landing - and switches on or off the
electrical circuits that I've pre-programmed for each mode of flight is simply
genius. Not only is the concept certainly revolutionary in the market, but
the VP-200's implementation of it just works and works great. The only external
input that is missing to the logic, IMHO, is the determination of Day vs. Night.
I have to manually turn the position lights on. It seems like either the
input from the exiting dimmer electric eye or from some sort of real time clock
could make this happen.
Ralph's idea of adding automation to the VP-x though the use of an external embedded
processor and display is a good one. Maybe when I get the RV-8 back in
the air, I'll start working on something along those lines... :-)
Best regards,
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
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Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
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Status: 200+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and Oshkosh, WI |
Not to be argumentative, but I still don't get it. I'm all for reducing workload
in critical phases of flight, but I've only got three circuit switches that
I use in that situation - flaps, fuel pump, and landing light wigwag. Everything
else is on at start up and off at shutdown, both of which are low stress,
low workload phases. I'm not turning over control of flaps, so that really just
leaves two circuits that I would want to control using this type of device.
Doesn't seem like much of a workload reduction.
Maybe I just don't have enough toys in my plane. I agree it is cool technology,
and I believe you that it works. I just don't see the benefit to offset the
cost. ...although arguably that could also apply to my entire airplane! ;-)
Paul A. Fisher
RV7A N18PF
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 10:57 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and Oshkosh, WI
At 05:24 PM 3/20/2014 Thursday, you wrote:
>--> Avionics-List message posted by: Ralph Finch
>--> <ralphmariafinch@gmail.com>
>
>Why did I want the -200? For the same reasons Matt cited. I just don't
>see the benefit of merely replacing some circuit breakers that is
>essentially the role of the VP-X.
I think the biggest downfall of the VP-200 was that potential customers didn't
really understand just how *awesome* the automation functionality is and how it
really works. Many times at fly-ins or other events where I've had an opportunity
to show off the VP-200, fellow homebuilders are in awe of the automation
after I've take a few minutes to explain just how it works and how it significantly
reduces my workload during the various phases of flight. The fact that
the VP-200 knows, based on GPS/RPM/AHRS data exactly what mode of flight that
I'm in - Start/Taxi/Runup/Takeoff/Cruse/Landing - and switches on or off the
electrical circuits that I've pre-programmed for each mode of flight is simply
genius. Not only is the concept certainly revolutionary in the market, but
the VP-200's implementation of it just works and works great. The only external
input that is missing to the logic, IMHO, is the determination of Day vs. Night.
I have to manually turn the position lights o!
n. It seems like either the input from the exiting dimmer electric eye or from
some sort of real time clock could make this happen.
Ralph's idea of adding automation to the VP-x though the use of an external embedded
processor and display is a good one. Maybe when I get the RV-8 back in
the air, I'll start working on something along those lines... :-)
Best regards,
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 200+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!
Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore Airport.
Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too!
For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: RV8-List: Re: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and Oshkosh, |
WI
Based on GPS information (position and time), you can know whether you are
in Day or night, no problem, without having to resort to external devices
such as a light sensor (which can break). I would think that sort of thing
would be quite easy.
Shaun
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
> --> RV8-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>
> At 05:24 PM 3/20/2014 Thursday, you wrote:
> >--> Avionics-List message posted by: Ralph Finch <
> ralphmariafinch@gmail.com>
> >
> >Why did I want the -200? For the same reasons Matt cited. I just
> >don't see the benefit of merely replacing some circuit breakers that
> >is essentially the role of the VP-X.
>
>
> I think the biggest downfall of the VP-200 was that potential customers
> didn't really understand just how *awesome* the automation functionality is
> and how it really works. Many times at fly-ins or other events where I've
> had an opportunity to show off the VP-200, fellow homebuilders are in awe
> of the automation after I've take a few minutes to explain just how it
> works and how it significantly reduces my workload during the various
> phases of flight. The fact that the VP-200 knows, based on GPS/RPM/AHRS
> data exactly what mode of flight that I'm in -
> Start/Taxi/Runup/Takeoff/Cruse/Landing - and switches on or off the
> electrical circuits that I've pre-programmed for each mode of flight is
> simply genius. Not only is the concept certainly revolutionary in the
> market, but the VP-200's implementation of it just works and works great.
> The only external input that is missing to the logic, IMHO, is the
> determination of Day vs. Night. I have to manually turn the position
> lights o!
> n. It seems like either the input from the exiting dimmer electric eye
> or from some sort of real time clock could make this happen.
>
> Ralph's idea of adding automation to the VP-x though the use of an
> external embedded processor and display is a good one. Maybe when I get
> the RV-8 back in the air, I'll start working on something along those
> lines... :-)
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> -
> Matt Dralle
>
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
>
> RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
> http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
> Status: 200+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer
> Mode
>
> Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!
> Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore
> Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too!
> For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and Oshkosh, WI |
The same could be said for autopilots, GPS navigation, and so on. Not
needed, but a convenience. Furthermore the VP-200 can be set up to
easily provide a separate bus for main alternator or battery failure,
automatically shedding unimportant load and switching on your
alternate battery and/or alternator, so that's a safety feature.
No VP-*** product actually moves flaps, to my knowledge, but they will
prevent movement I think if you are over the maximum flap speed.
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Fisher Paul A.
<FisherPaulA@johndeere.com> wrote:
>
> Not to be argumentative, but I still don't get it. I'm all for reducing workload
in critical phases of flight, but I've only got three circuit switches that
I use in that situation - flaps, fuel pump, and landing light wigwag. Everything
else is on at start up and off at shutdown, both of which are low stress,
low workload phases. I'm not turning over control of flaps, so that really
just leaves two circuits that I would want to control using this type of device.
Doesn't seem like much of a workload reduction.
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| Subject: | Re: RV8-List: Re: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and |
Oshkosh, WI
I traded some emails with Marc about the day/night thing a year or two
ago. The way the VP-200 is now, I think we concluded your best bet is
to repurpose the VMC/IMC switch to this use. But yeah, a new feature
for this would be great.
RF
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Shaun Dawson <scdawson@gmail.com> wrote:
> Based on GPS information (position and time), you can know whether you are
> in Day or night, no problem, without having to resort to external devices
> such as a light sensor (which can break). I would think that sort of thing
> would be quite easy.
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| Subject: | Re: How to determine drill bit sharpness? |
The other responders have it right - if you don't think it's cutting through fast
enough, it's probably dull... try a new one. For those of you (like me), always
looking for an excuse to buy another tool, you might invest $50 on a Drill
Doctor bit sharpener. Mine works great and it saves trips to the DIY store
aviation aisle. Just follow the instructions that come with it closely and practice
with a few old broken bits if you have any. The cam action puts a beautiful,
sharp edge on the bit, perfectly beveled. I give it four and a half stars,
and looks swell on the tool shelf.
http://www.drilldoctor.com/drill-sharpeners-and-accessories/drill-sharpeners/drill-doctor-model-350x.html
Ken Brooks
Really Slow RV-8 QB
Pushing to the end!
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| Subject: | Re: How to determine drill bit sharpness? |
I have a Drill Doctor DD500X and agree w/ Ken - it is very handy.- It is
really great for bits greater than about 3/16 in. (and those are the more e
xpensive bits so being able to re-sharpen them is great).- But I don't ha
ve much luck w/ drills smaller than 3/16 in.=0A=0AWhen it comes to #30 or #
40 drill bits, I buy them in the jobber 5-pack from my local industrial sup
ply.- IIRC it's usually around $1 per bit.- Nothing beats the factory e
dge on an industrial-quality drill bit.=0A=0A-Jeff=0A=0APS - I recommend th
e DD500X even thought it's more expensive (you can find them on sale for ar
ound $100).- It has a jig that makes it quick & easy to position the bit
to be sharpened in the sharpening mandrel.- It only takes a couple of sec
onds to get the bit chucked-up in the mandrel correctly.- I don't think t
he lower models have this feature.- It's worth the extra 50 bucks.=0A=0A
=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Ken Brooks <kenbrooks@chart
er.net>=0ATo: rv-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, March 21, 2014 2:22 PM
=0ASubject: RV-List: Re: How to determine drill bit sharpness?=0A =0A=0A-->
RV-List message posted by: Ken Brooks <kenbrooks@charter.net>=0A=0AThe oth
er responders have it right - if you don't think it's cutting through fast
enough, it's probably dull... try a new one.- For those of you (like me),
always looking for an excuse to buy another tool, you might invest $50 on
a Drill Doctor bit sharpener.- Mine works great and it saves trips to the
DIY store aviation aisle.- Just follow the instructions that come with i
t closely and practice with a few old broken bits if you have any.- The c
am action puts a beautiful, sharp edge on the bit, perfectly beveled.- I
give it four and a half stars, and looks swell on the tool shelf.=0Ahttp://
www.drilldoctor.com/drill-sharpeners-and-accessories/drill-sharpeners/drill
-doctor-model-350x.html=0A=0AKen Brooks=0AReally Slow RV-8 QB=0APushing to
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