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1. 12:09 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
2. 07:09 AM - PICTURES (H PAINE)
3. 06:42 PM - Re: [RV10] Practice kit or no? (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
4. 06:43 PM - Re: [RV10] Re: Vans Airforce Forum (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
5. 07:06 PM - Re: [RV10] Re: Vans Airforce Forum (Schmo)
6. 07:32 PM - Re: Vans Airforce Forum (Matt Dralle)
7. 07:39 PM - Re: Re: Vans Airforce Forum (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
8. 07:50 PM - Re: Re: Vans Airforce Forum (Schmo)
9. 07:57 PM - Re: Re: Vans Airforce Forum (Tim Olson)
10. 08:08 PM - Re: Re: Vans Airforce Forum (Matt Dralle)
11. 08:26 PM - Re: Re: Vans Airforce Forum (linn walters)
12. 08:37 PM - Re: Re: Vans Airforce Forum (Tim Olson)
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| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Lister,
Please read over the RV10-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV10-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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RV10-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
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--> RV10-List message posted by: H PAINE <bluebird266@dslextreme.com>
Thanks everyone
Tons of great pictures. I was amazed to see no jig fixtures other than
little leading edge one,
ahh the wonders of matched hole tooling.
Harry
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| Subject: | RE: [RV10] Practice kit or no? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@Sausen.net>
I can also highly recommend the Sportair RV Assembly workshop. I took
the one in Denver and was very impressed. Besides, you build the Vans
practice kit in the workshop.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tommy Norman [mailto:tie-norman@comcast.net]
Subject: RE: [RV10] Practice kit or no?
I would save your time and money. The SportAir class will teach you
everything you need to get started. The plans are great on the -10. It
is like putting together an oversized model. :)
-----Original Message-----
From: paulfolbrecht [mailto:paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com]
Subject: [RV10] Practice kit or no?
I'm wondering if I should bother with the Van's practice kit before I
start with my tail or not. I'm taking the SportAir RV class, so my
thinking was that that should be plenty to prepare me, and doing the
practice kit as well is probably overkill. Thoughts?
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| Subject: | Re: RE: [RV10] Re: Vans Airforce Forum |
--> RV10-List message posted by:
There is always the Matronics List-serv. Personally, I've been cross
posting to the RV-10 group on the Matronics list-serv in hopes to get
that one moving a little better. Especially with the annoying
"approval" delays we see in the yahoo group.
-----Original Message-----
From: Schmo [mailto:schmoboy@cox.net]
Subject: RE: [RV10] Re: Vans Airforce Forum
I'd hope he would not pull the plug and rather hand the "creator" title
over to someone else.
-Sean
_____
From: townsetm [mailto:yooper@alum.mit.edu]
Subject: [RV10] Re: Vans Airforce Forum
I think Doug said he was going to pull the plug on this Yahoo group
eventually, since he was the creator.
I like the new forums because of the multiple threads. I don't have
to keep reading about a sub-topic I'm not interested in . . .
TDT
--- In RV10@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Sked" <heeder777@y...> wrote:
>
> Anyone considering slinking over to the Van's Airforce forum? Nice
> format and saves me from going to two different pages a day. Didn't
> think Doug would mind me asking since he has a hand in both.
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
> Wings
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| Subject: | Re: RE: [RV10] Re: Vans Airforce Forum |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Schmo" <schmoboy@cox.net>
Ya, I'm on that list also, which would be an excellent alternative to the
Yahoo Group for us that like getting emails.
_____
From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) [mailto:rvbuilder@sausen.net]
Subject: RE: [RV10] Re: Vans Airforce Forum
There is always the Matronics List-serv. Personally, I've been cross
posting to the RV-10 group on the Matronics list-serv in hopes to get
that one moving a little better. Especially with the annoying
"approval" delays we see in the yahoo group.
-----Original Message-----
From: Schmo [mailto:schmoboy@cox.net]
Subject: RE: [RV10] Re: Vans Airforce Forum
I'd hope he would not pull the plug and rather hand the "creator" title
over to someone else.
-Sean
_____
From: townsetm [mailto:yooper@alum.mit.edu]
Subject: [RV10] Re: Vans Airforce Forum
I think Doug said he was going to pull the plug on this Yahoo group
eventually, since he was the creator.
I like the new forums because of the multiple threads. I don't have
to keep reading about a sub-topic I'm not interested in . . .
TDT
--- In RV10@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Sked" <heeder777@y...> wrote:
>
> Anyone considering slinking over to the Van's Airforce forum? Nice
> format and saves me from going to two different pages a day. Didn't
> think Doug would mind me asking since he has a hand in both.
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
> Wings
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| Subject: | Re: Vans Airforce Forum |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Listers,
Of course, I'm on board with the migration to the Matronics Lists. Tell a
friend! I just don't understand the attraction to those PHP-based web
forums for serious discussions. They're great for tech support
applications or where people just want to drivel on about nothing, but for
serious discussions that may or may not be of long term interest, the email
forum is the way to go. I really like the email distribution if for no
other reason that it keeps me plugged into what's going on. I've found
that web-based forums don't keep me coming back unless I have a specific
question. I've built filters on my email application (Eudora) that
automatically put all of the incoming List mail into specific email boxes
with the click of a button. Best of all, via the web I can go back and
search years worth of archives or just download the whole darn
archive. Yahoo and PHP forums just don't offer that.
The reason behind this potential "demise" of the Yahoo RV-10 list was
exactly the reason I was concerned when Doug setup all the alternate RV
lists on Yahoo. What happens to the list when he's not interested in
running it any longer? What happens to all of the archives (such as they
are)?
I've been running the RV Lists here on Matronics for 15 years and the
archives go back to the beginning. I've got a proven track record and I
don't plan on going anywhere. I take the job of running the Matronics
Lists *very* seriously and I hope it shows in the quality of service and
availability. If Doug is contemplating abandoning the Yahoo Groups RV
lists, then we really need to rally together to migrate everyone over to
the Matronics lists. Its where it all started and where it ought to be! :-)
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
At 07:05 PM 3/2/2005 Wednesday, you wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Schmo" <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
>Ya, I'm on that list also, which would be an excellent alternative to the
>Yahoo Group for us that like getting emails.
>
> _____
>
>From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) [mailto:rvbuilder@sausen.net]
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com; RV10@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [RV10] Re: Vans Airforce Forum
>
>
>There is always the Matronics List-serv. Personally, I've been cross
>posting to the RV-10 group on the Matronics list-serv in hopes to get
>that one moving a little better. Especially with the annoying
>"approval" delays we see in the yahoo group.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Schmo [mailto:schmoboy@cox.net]
>To: RV10@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [RV10] Re: Vans Airforce Forum
>
>
>I'd hope he would not pull the plug and rather hand the "creator" title
>over to someone else.
>
>-Sean
>
> _____
>
>From: townsetm [mailto:yooper@alum.mit.edu]
>To: RV10@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [RV10] Re: Vans Airforce Forum
>
>
>I think Doug said he was going to pull the plug on this Yahoo group
>eventually, since he was the creator.
>
>I like the new forums because of the multiple threads. I don't have
>to keep reading about a sub-topic I'm not interested in . . .
>
>TDT
>
>
>--- In RV10@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Sked" <heeder777@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Anyone considering slinking over to the Van's Airforce forum? Nice
> > format and saves me from going to two different pages a day. Didn't
> > think Doug would mind me asking since he has a hand in both.
> >
> > Rick S.
> > 40185
> > Wings
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Got my vote!
Bob
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com <owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Vans Airforce Forum
--> RV10-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Listers,
Of course, I'm on board with the migration to the Matronics Lists. Tell a
friend! I just don't understand the attraction to those PHP-based web
forums for serious discussions. They're great for tech support
applications or where people just want to drivel on about nothing, but for
serious discussions that may or may not be of long term interest, the email
forum is the way to go. I really like the email distribution if for no
other reason that it keeps me plugged into what's going on. I've found
that web-based forums don't keep me coming back unless I have a specific
question. I've built filters on my email application (Eudora) that
automatically put all of the incoming List mail into specific email boxes
with the click of a button. Best of all, via the web I can go back and
search years worth of archives or just download the whole darn
archive. Yahoo and PHP forums just don't offer that.
The reason behind this potential "demise" of the Yahoo RV-10 list was
exactly the reason I was concerned when Doug setup all the alternate RV
lists on Yahoo. What happens to the list when he's not interested in
running it any longer? What happens to all of the archives (such as they
are)?
I've been running the RV Lists here on Matronics for 15 years and the
archives go back to the beginning. I've got a proven track record and I
don't plan on going anywhere. I take the job of running the Matronics
Lists *very* seriously and I hope it shows in the quality of service and
availability. If Doug is contemplating abandoning the Yahoo Groups RV
lists, then we really need to rally together to migrate everyone over to
the Matronics lists. Its where it all started and where it ought to be! :-)
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
At 07:05 PM 3/2/2005 Wednesday, you wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Schmo" <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
>Ya, I'm on that list also, which would be an excellent alternative to the
>Yahoo Group for us that like getting emails.
>
> _____
>
>From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) [mailto:rvbuilder@sausen.net]
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com; RV10@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [RV10] Re: Vans Airforce Forum
>
>
>There is always the Matronics List-serv. Personally, I've been cross
>posting to the RV-10 group on the Matronics list-serv in hopes to get
>that one moving a little better. Especially with the annoying
>"approval" delays we see in the yahoo group.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Schmo [mailto:schmoboy@cox.net]
>To: RV10@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [RV10] Re: Vans Airforce Forum
>
>
>I'd hope he would not pull the plug and rather hand the "creator" title
>over to someone else.
>
>-Sean
>
> _____
>
>From: townsetm [mailto:yooper@alum.mit.edu]
>To: RV10@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [RV10] Re: Vans Airforce Forum
>
>
>I think Doug said he was going to pull the plug on this Yahoo group
>eventually, since he was the creator.
>
>I like the new forums because of the multiple threads. I don't have
>to keep reading about a sub-topic I'm not interested in . . .
>
>TDT
>
>
>--- In RV10@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Sked" <heeder777@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Anyone considering slinking over to the Van's Airforce forum? Nice
> > format and saves me from going to two different pages a day. Didn't
> > think Doug would mind me asking since he has a hand in both.
> >
> > Rick S.
> > 40185
> > Wings
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Schmo" <schmoboy@cox.net>
2nd...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US
SSA)
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Vans Airforce Forum
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
<bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Got my vote!
Bob
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<owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
<RV10@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Vans Airforce Forum
--> RV10-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Listers,
Of course, I'm on board with the migration to the Matronics Lists. Tell a
friend! I just don't understand the attraction to those PHP-based web
forums for serious discussions. They're great for tech support
applications or where people just want to drivel on about nothing, but for
serious discussions that may or may not be of long term interest, the email
forum is the way to go. I really like the email distribution if for no
other reason that it keeps me plugged into what's going on. I've found
that web-based forums don't keep me coming back unless I have a specific
question. I've built filters on my email application (Eudora) that
automatically put all of the incoming List mail into specific email boxes
with the click of a button. Best of all, via the web I can go back and
search years worth of archives or just download the whole darn
archive. Yahoo and PHP forums just don't offer that.
The reason behind this potential "demise" of the Yahoo RV-10 list was
exactly the reason I was concerned when Doug setup all the alternate RV
lists on Yahoo. What happens to the list when he's not interested in
running it any longer? What happens to all of the archives (such as they
are)?
I've been running the RV Lists here on Matronics for 15 years and the
archives go back to the beginning. I've got a proven track record and I
don't plan on going anywhere. I take the job of running the Matronics
Lists *very* seriously and I hope it shows in the quality of service and
availability. If Doug is contemplating abandoning the Yahoo Groups RV
lists, then we really need to rally together to migrate everyone over to
the Matronics lists. Its where it all started and where it ought to be!
:-)
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
At 07:05 PM 3/2/2005 Wednesday, you wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Schmo" <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
>Ya, I'm on that list also, which would be an excellent alternative to the
>Yahoo Group for us that like getting emails.
>
> _____
>
>From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) [mailto:rvbuilder@sausen.net]
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com; RV10@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [RV10] Re: Vans Airforce Forum
>
>
>There is always the Matronics List-serv. Personally, I've been cross
>posting to the RV-10 group on the Matronics list-serv in hopes to get
>that one moving a little better. Especially with the annoying
>"approval" delays we see in the yahoo group.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Schmo [mailto:schmoboy@cox.net]
>To: RV10@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [RV10] Re: Vans Airforce Forum
>
>
>I'd hope he would not pull the plug and rather hand the "creator" title
>over to someone else.
>
>-Sean
>
> _____
>
>From: townsetm [mailto:yooper@alum.mit.edu]
>To: RV10@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [RV10] Re: Vans Airforce Forum
>
>
>I think Doug said he was going to pull the plug on this Yahoo group
>eventually, since he was the creator.
>
>I like the new forums because of the multiple threads. I don't have
>to keep reading about a sub-topic I'm not interested in . . .
>
>TDT
>
>
>--- In RV10@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Sked" <heeder777@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Anyone considering slinking over to the Van's Airforce forum? Nice
> > format and saves me from going to two different pages a day. Didn't
> > think Doug would mind me asking since he has a hand in both.
> >
> > Rick S.
> > 40185
> > Wings
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Yeah Matt, I do like some of the capabilities....but the thing that
stinks is that mongo footer at the bottom of each post. I count over
20 lines of instructions at the bottom of each post. If that was
turned off, I'd probably be migrating to yours....but even though
yahoo has an annoying footer, I'd have to say, it's not as annoying
as yours. Beyond that though, I'd be in full support. I'm an email
only forum reader. Like you said, the PHP-based sites are something
you visit when you only have a specific question. I'd absolutely
never follow one on a daily basis. Besides that, I work in a large
corporation...web use is tracked. My email box can fill up all
day though.
Tim
Matt Dralle wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>
> Listers,
>
> Of course, I'm on board with the migration to the Matronics Lists. Tell a
> friend! I just don't understand the attraction to those PHP-based web
> forums for serious discussions. They're great for tech support
> applications or where people just want to drivel on about nothing, but for
> serious discussions that may or may not be of long term interest, the email
> forum is the way to go. I really like the email distribution if for no
> other reason that it keeps me plugged into what's going on. I've found
> that web-based forums don't keep me coming back unless I have a specific
> question. I've built filters on my email application (Eudora) that
> automatically put all of the incoming List mail into specific email boxes
> with the click of a button. Best of all, via the web I can go back and
> search years worth of archives or just download the whole darn
> archive. Yahoo and PHP forums just don't offer that.
>
> The reason behind this potential "demise" of the Yahoo RV-10 list was
> exactly the reason I was concerned when Doug setup all the alternate RV
> lists on Yahoo. What happens to the list when he's not interested in
> running it any longer? What happens to all of the archives (such as they
> are)?
>
> I've been running the RV Lists here on Matronics for 15 years and the
> archives go back to the beginning. I've got a proven track record and I
> don't plan on going anywhere. I take the job of running the Matronics
> Lists *very* seriously and I hope it shows in the quality of service and
> availability. If Doug is contemplating abandoning the Yahoo Groups RV
> lists, then we really need to rally together to migrate everyone over to
> the Matronics lists. Its where it all started and where it ought to be! :-)
>
> Best regards,
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> At 07:05 PM 3/2/2005 Wednesday, you wrote:
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Schmo" <schmoboy@cox.net>
>>
>>Ya, I'm on that list also, which would be an excellent alternative to the
>>Yahoo Group for us that like getting emails.
>>
>> _____
>>
>>From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) [mailto:rvbuilder@sausen.net]
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com; RV10@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: RE: [RV10] Re: Vans Airforce Forum
>>
>>
>>There is always the Matronics List-serv. Personally, I've been cross
>>posting to the RV-10 group on the Matronics list-serv in hopes to get
>>that one moving a little better. Especially with the annoying
>>"approval" delays we see in the yahoo group.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Schmo [mailto:schmoboy@cox.net]
>>To: RV10@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: RE: [RV10] Re: Vans Airforce Forum
>>
>>
>>I'd hope he would not pull the plug and rather hand the "creator" title
>>over to someone else.
>>
>>-Sean
>>
>> _____
>>
>>From: townsetm [mailto:yooper@alum.mit.edu]
>>To: RV10@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: [RV10] Re: Vans Airforce Forum
>>
>>
>>I think Doug said he was going to pull the plug on this Yahoo group
>>eventually, since he was the creator.
>>
>>I like the new forums because of the multiple threads. I don't have
>>to keep reading about a sub-topic I'm not interested in . . .
>>
>>TDT
>>
>>
>>--- In RV10@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Sked" <heeder777@y...> wrote:
>>
>>>Anyone considering slinking over to the Van's Airforce forum? Nice
>>>format and saves me from going to two different pages a day. Didn't
>>>think Doug would mind me asking since he has a hand in both.
>>>
>>>Rick S.
>>>40185
>>>Wings
>>
>>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Thanks for the feedback, Tim. It is appreciated. The problem is that HUGE
footer was born out of necessity. As it is, I still get at least a couple
of emails a day asking, "how do I unsubscribe?", "how do I search the
archive?", "where's the FAQ?"... It serves a very real purpose, unlike the
most of the footer on the Yahoo lists.
Perhaps I could trim it down or maybe just put a single link with a web
page that listed all of the options. That sounds great, but is it really
the right answer? I just don't know. Would others miss the utility of
having the links at their finger tips?
Can you describe exactly what bothers you about the current footer,
really? For me in Eudora, unless I scroll all the way down to the bottom
of the message, I most of the time don't even notice it.
Really I'm open on this topic. I could go either way. What is other
people's opinion? Before you answer, think about how handy it is having
all of the major List tools just a click away at every message. Still,
maybe a single link that takes you to a page with all of the links would be
just as good...?
Your Listmister
Matt Dralle
At 07:56 PM 3/2/2005 Wednesday, Tim Olson wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
>Yeah Matt, I do like some of the capabilities....but the thing that
>stinks is that mongo footer at the bottom of each post. I count over
>20 lines of instructions at the bottom of each post. If that was
>turned off, I'd probably be migrating to yours....but even though
>yahoo has an annoying footer, I'd have to say, it's not as annoying
>as yours. Beyond that though, I'd be in full support. I'm an email
>only forum reader. Like you said, the PHP-based sites are something
>you visit when you only have a specific question. I'd absolutely
>never follow one on a daily basis. Besides that, I work in a large
>corporation...web use is tracked. My email box can fill up all
>day though.
>
>Tim
>
>
>Matt Dralle wrote:
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
> >
> > Listers,
> >
> > Of course, I'm on board with the migration to the Matronics Lists. Tell a
> > friend! I just don't understand the attraction to those PHP-based web
> > forums for serious discussions. They're great for tech support
> > applications or where people just want to drivel on about nothing, but for
> > serious discussions that may or may not be of long term interest, the
> email
> > forum is the way to go. I really like the email distribution if for no
> > other reason that it keeps me plugged into what's going on. I've found
> > that web-based forums don't keep me coming back unless I have a specific
> > question. I've built filters on my email application (Eudora) that
> > automatically put all of the incoming List mail into specific email boxes
> > with the click of a button. Best of all, via the web I can go back and
> > search years worth of archives or just download the whole darn
> > archive. Yahoo and PHP forums just don't offer that.
> >
> > The reason behind this potential "demise" of the Yahoo RV-10 list was
> > exactly the reason I was concerned when Doug setup all the alternate RV
> > lists on Yahoo. What happens to the list when he's not interested in
> > running it any longer? What happens to all of the archives (such as they
> > are)?
> >
> > I've been running the RV Lists here on Matronics for 15 years and the
> > archives go back to the beginning. I've got a proven track record and I
> > don't plan on going anywhere. I take the job of running the Matronics
> > Lists *very* seriously and I hope it shows in the quality of service and
> > availability. If Doug is contemplating abandoning the Yahoo Groups RV
> > lists, then we really need to rally together to migrate everyone over to
> > the Matronics lists. Its where it all started and where it ought to
> be! :-)
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > At 07:05 PM 3/2/2005 Wednesday, you wrote:
> >
> >>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Schmo" <schmoboy@cox.net>
> >>
> >>Ya, I'm on that list also, which would be an excellent alternative to the
> >>Yahoo Group for us that like getting emails.
> >>
> >> _____
> >>
> >>From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) [mailto:rvbuilder@sausen.net]
> >>To: rv10-list@matronics.com; RV10@yahoogroups.com
> >>Subject: RE: [RV10] Re: Vans Airforce Forum
> >>
> >>
> >>There is always the Matronics List-serv. Personally, I've been cross
> >>posting to the RV-10 group on the Matronics list-serv in hopes to get
> >>that one moving a little better. Especially with the annoying
> >>"approval" delays we see in the yahoo group.
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Schmo [mailto:schmoboy@cox.net]
> >>To: RV10@yahoogroups.com
> >>Subject: RE: [RV10] Re: Vans Airforce Forum
> >>
> >>
> >>I'd hope he would not pull the plug and rather hand the "creator" title
> >>over to someone else.
> >>
> >>-Sean
> >>
> >> _____
> >>
> >>From: townsetm [mailto:yooper@alum.mit.edu]
> >>To: RV10@yahoogroups.com
> >>Subject: [RV10] Re: Vans Airforce Forum
> >>
> >>
> >>I think Doug said he was going to pull the plug on this Yahoo group
> >>eventually, since he was the creator.
> >>
> >>I like the new forums because of the multiple threads. I don't have
> >>to keep reading about a sub-topic I'm not interested in . . .
> >>
> >>TDT
> >>
> >>
> >>--- In RV10@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Sked" <heeder777@y...> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Anyone considering slinking over to the Van's Airforce forum? Nice
> >>>format and saves me from going to two different pages a day. Didn't
> >>>think Doug would mind me asking since he has a hand in both.
> >>>
> >>>Rick S.
> >>>40185
> >>>Wings
> >>
> >>
> >>ADVERTISEMENT
> >>HYPERLINK
> >>"HYPERLINK
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> >>
> >> _____
> >>
> >>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Matt Dralle wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>
>
>Thanks for the feedback, Tim. It is appreciated. The problem is that HUGE
>footer was born out of necessity. As it is, I still get at least a couple
>of emails a day asking, "how do I unsubscribe?", "how do I search the
>archive?", "where's the FAQ?"...
>
Some folks just don't get it! No matter what you do!!! I appreciate
all the work you've done to make this a quality list.
> It serves a very real purpose, unlike the most of the footer on the Yahoo lists.
>
I agree totally!!
>Perhaps I could trim it down or maybe just put a single link with a web
>page that listed all of the options.
>
The single link to a web page would be a lot better, IMHO.
> That sounds great, but is it really
>the right answer? I just don't know. Would others miss the utility of
>having the links at their finger tips?
>
OK, it'll take one more click with the 'links' web page. I can handle that!
>Can you describe exactly what bothers you about the current footer,
>really? For me in Eudora, unless I scroll all the way down to the bottom
>of the message, I most of the time don't even notice it.
>
It's just a bandwidth and storage thing. I'm not complaining, but
re-sending the links seems like a waste when one link to a web page
would work.
>Really I'm open on this topic. I could go either way. What is other
>people's opinion? Before you answer, think about how handy it is having
>all of the major List tools just a click away at every message. Still,
>maybe a single link that takes you to a page with all of the links would be
>just as good...?
>
Well, this gets my vote.
Linn walters
do not archive
>Your Listmister
>Matt Dralle
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| Subject: | Re: Vans Airforce Forum |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Talk about customer service....man that was a quick reply, Matt! :)
I've been on tons of lists, and yeah, we get the people asking "how do
I unsubscribe?" , or saying "PLEASE unsubscribe me". That happens
everywhere, and managing a ton of lists like you do can cause the
headaches I'm sure.
I was thinking the same thing as you mentioned....a SINGLE link
that says something like "For assistance in unsubscribing, posting, or
any other services, click this link" (or send an email to this address)
One link ought to be enough.
My problem with it is that it's unsightly, and it wastes space. Space
is a very real concern if you read a few lists like I do: Musketeer,
local EAA, MN Wing RV, RV10@yahoo, RV-10Matronics, GRT_EFIS,
Aeroelectric, and even a handful more. In fact, if you notice below,
when I replied to this email, it kept the footers of everything from
yahoogroups, your email footer, AVG virus scans, and the matronics
list instructions. I'm sure people call me long-winded, but hey,
the footer garbage in this email is longer than the text!
It isn't just here that bothers me....every day, working in the
healthcare industry, I email back and forth with other healthcare
professionals. When I send out, our stinkin' server tags on a lengthy
privacy notice. When I get their email back, it has their notice.
After a few back and forth conversations, the footers are much more
huge than the message. Most people do not take the time to trim out
that garbage when they reply....I usually do.
I just don't want to view unsightly long emails, and be party to
propogating decreased bandwidth from junk footers, AND, increase my
mail programs space usage which is already hundreds of Mb Big.
I know you said "think about how handy it is having those links..."
but you know what, I've never once had a reason to use one, and
can't imagine a time in the next year when I will. I stand by my
statement that the ONLY reason I'm not 100% behind you, and am still
committed to yahoo, is that huge stinkin' footer. I even donated
to your list...just because it seemed like a good thing to do for
the RV-10 community. (Not that I expect that to influence anything)
Too bad you can't make that footer an optional thing on a per-user
basis. That would be ideal.
It's a great service, and you run it very respectably. It will be
the place I'd go if Yahoo got too bad. If we had to go to PHP
forums though, I think I'd probably just drop out of the general
discussion community altogether...I'd probably get more building
done that way. :)
Tim
RV-10 #40170
Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> Thanks for the feedback, Tim. It is appreciated. The problem is that
> HUGE footer was born out of necessity. As it is, I still get at least a
> couple of emails a day asking, "how do I unsubscribe?", "how do I search
> the archive?", "where's the FAQ?"... It serves a very real purpose,
> unlike the most of the footer on the Yahoo lists.
>
> Perhaps I could trim it down or maybe just put a single link with a web
> page that listed all of the options. That sounds great, but is it
> really the right answer? I just don't know. Would others miss the
> utility of having the links at their finger tips?
>
> Can you describe exactly what bothers you about the current footer,
> really? For me in Eudora, unless I scroll all the way down to the
> bottom of the message, I most of the time don't even notice it.
>
> Really I'm open on this topic. I could go either way. What is other
> people's opinion? Before you answer, think about how handy it is having
> all of the major List tools just a click away at every message. Still,
> maybe a single link that takes you to a page with all of the links would
> be just as good...?
>
> Your Listmister
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> At 07:56 PM 3/2/2005 Wednesday, Tim Olson wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> Yeah Matt, I do like some of the capabilities....but the thing that
>> stinks is that mongo footer at the bottom of each post. I count over
>> 20 lines of instructions at the bottom of each post. If that was
>> turned off, I'd probably be migrating to yours....but even though
>> yahoo has an annoying footer, I'd have to say, it's not as annoying
>> as yours. Beyond that though, I'd be in full support. I'm an email
>> only forum reader. Like you said, the PHP-based sites are something
>> you visit when you only have a specific question. I'd absolutely
>> never follow one on a daily basis. Besides that, I work in a large
>> corporation...web use is tracked. My email box can fill up all
>> day though.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> Matt Dralle wrote:
>> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>> >
>> > Listers,
>> >
>> > Of course, I'm on board with the migration to the Matronics Lists.
>> Tell a
>> > friend! I just don't understand the attraction to those PHP-based web
>> > forums for serious discussions. They're great for tech support
>> > applications or where people just want to drivel on about nothing,
>> but for
>> > serious discussions that may or may not be of long term interest,
>> the email
>> > forum is the way to go. I really like the email distribution if for no
>> > other reason that it keeps me plugged into what's going on. I've found
>> > that web-based forums don't keep me coming back unless I have a
>> specific
>> > question. I've built filters on my email application (Eudora) that
>> > automatically put all of the incoming List mail into specific email
>> boxes
>> > with the click of a button. Best of all, via the web I can go back and
>> > search years worth of archives or just download the whole darn
>> > archive. Yahoo and PHP forums just don't offer that.
>> >
>> > The reason behind this potential "demise" of the Yahoo RV-10 list was
>> > exactly the reason I was concerned when Doug setup all the alternate RV
>> > lists on Yahoo. What happens to the list when he's not interested in
>> > running it any longer? What happens to all of the archives (such as
>> they
>> > are)?
>> >
>> > I've been running the RV Lists here on Matronics for 15 years and the
>> > archives go back to the beginning. I've got a proven track record
>> and I
>> > don't plan on going anywhere. I take the job of running the Matronics
>> > Lists *very* seriously and I hope it shows in the quality of service
>> and
>> > availability. If Doug is contemplating abandoning the Yahoo Groups RV
>> > lists, then we really need to rally together to migrate everyone
>> over to
>> > the Matronics lists. Its where it all started and where it ought to
>> be! :-)
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> >
>> > Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > At 07:05 PM 3/2/2005 Wednesday, you wrote:
>> >
>> >>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Schmo" <schmoboy@cox.net>
>> >>
>> >>Ya, I'm on that list also, which would be an excellent alternative
>> to the
>> >>Yahoo Group for us that like getting emails.
>> >>
>> >> _____
>> >>
>> >>From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) [mailto:rvbuilder@sausen.net]
>> >>To: rv10-list@matronics.com; RV10@yahoogroups.com
>> >>Subject: RE: [RV10] Re: Vans Airforce Forum
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>There is always the Matronics List-serv. Personally, I've been cross
>> >>posting to the RV-10 group on the Matronics list-serv in hopes to get
>> >>that one moving a little better. Especially with the annoying
>> >>"approval" delays we see in the yahoo group.
>> >>
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>From: Schmo [mailto:schmoboy@cox.net]
>> >>To: RV10@yahoogroups.com
>> >>Subject: RE: [RV10] Re: Vans Airforce Forum
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>I'd hope he would not pull the plug and rather hand the "creator" title
>> >>over to someone else.
>> >>
>> >>-Sean
>> >>
>> >> _____
>> >>
>> >>From: townsetm [mailto:yooper@alum.mit.edu]
>> >>To: RV10@yahoogroups.com
>> >>Subject: [RV10] Re: Vans Airforce Forum
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>I think Doug said he was going to pull the plug on this Yahoo group
>> >>eventually, since he was the creator.
>> >>
>> >>I like the new forums because of the multiple threads. I don't have
>> >>to keep reading about a sub-topic I'm not interested in . . .
>> >>
>> >>TDT
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>--- In RV10@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Sked" <heeder777@y...> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Anyone considering slinking over to the Van's Airforce forum? Nice
>> >>>format and saves me from going to two different pages a day. Didn't
>> >>>think Doug would mind me asking since he has a hand in both.
>> >>>
>> >>>Rick S.
>> >>>40185
>> >>>Wings
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