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1. 06:46 AM - Re: Re: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived (Tom Gesele)
2. 07:49 AM - Re: Re: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived (Merems)
3. 08:51 AM - Re: defrosters (JSMcGrew@aol.com)
4. 09:21 AM - Re: defrosters/computer fans (James Hein)
5. 09:45 AM - Re: Re: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
6. 09:56 AM - Re: new instrument panel (gengrumpy@AOL.COM)
7. 09:57 AM - Re: RV10-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 02/17/06 (John Kirby)
8. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived (David Hertner)
9. 01:33 PM - Re: Engine combination (Jesse Saint)
10. 03:31 PM - Re: Engine combination (Dan Masys)
11. 03:38 PM - Ouch. That was hard! (Dan Masys)
12. 03:55 PM - Re: glassing (Dan Masys)
13. 04:47 PM - Aileron Pushrod F-1064 Length (Richard Reynolds)
14. 05:21 PM - Re: Ouch. That was hard! (John Hasbrouck)
15. 06:19 PM - Re: Aileron Pushrod F-1064 Length (Larry Rosen)
16. 06:43 PM - Re: Aileron Pushrod F-1064 Length (Tim Olson)
17. 06:50 PM - Re: Re: defrosters (Marcus Cooper)
18. 08:18 PM - Re: Ouch. That was hard! (Chris)
19. 08:21 PM - Re: Re: defrosters (Sean Stephens)
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| Subject: | Re: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived |
I built a -6 with the Avery C-Frame and am now using the DRDT-2 to build
a -10 so hopefully I can shed some light on this.
First, my general impression is that the DRDT-2 is superior to the C-Frame
once you get used to it. The dimples are consistent - rivets sit perfectly
flush every time and you never get the ring around the dimples that
sometimes show up with the C-Frame (a by-product of hitting the plunger
slightly too hard). It is very easy to use - effortless enough that my 6
year old daughter helped dimple some of the larger skins. It is silent
meaning you can work late into the night without aggravating the neighbors,
waking sleeping children, etc.
To clarify the "once you get used to it", I have two recommendations for
this tool. First, make sure it is aligned perfectly. This is easy to do,
just loosen the adjustment screws, install a dimple die into the plunger,
tape its mate and adjust until the shank slide perfectly into the bottom
receptacle. Tighten everything down and double check that the dies slide
together with no binding when in their normal positions. For the depth, set
it so that you the dies just bind, meaning you can't spin them with
everything fully extended.
Second, on the heavier skins (like to fuse bottom skins some of the spar
material, etc) - you need to double pump the level to get a good dimple. Any
skin that is 025 or less can be dimpled in one shot, 032+ needs a double
pump and you should check that the rivets sit flush. There may be other ways
to dimple the heavier skins but this is what worked for me.
To summarize, you can build a perfectly good plane with either tool. For me,
the investment in the DRDT-2 was well worth it.
Hope this helps and I should add that I have no affiliation with
Experimental Aero - I'm just a very satisfied customer.
Tom Gesele #473
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of bruce breckenridge
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 8:30 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Re: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived
do not archive
I've got a fellow RV(9) builder that loves his DDRT-2. My only problem
with switching over is that if you take away our C-frame, then we've got
nothing else to smack during the building process. I agree, the
construction is top-notch and the temptation is very strong to become a
convert.
For those that have spent some real time using both...what are your
thoughts?
Bruce
elevators
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| Subject: | Re: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived |
Fellow DRDT-2 owners or perspective owners,
Tom was very kind in his assessment of the DRDT-2.
If you set the ram height so that the dies slightly interfere (vertically) with
each other you will not have to "double pump" the tool. I can assure you that
you can dimple all the thicknesses if you set the ram height correctly with
out ever having to "double pump". Just set the height and dimple, if you get
a "witness ring" around the dimple then you have a perfect dimple. The witness
ring is not a dent but a surface mark left by the dimple die flat face contacting
the alclad surface.
I provide instructions for setting the tool up and adjusting the die height. It
only takes a few minutes of setup to achieve great results. If anyone has any
questions about the tool or the setup, please email me at info@experimentalaero.com.
I would be glad to help in any way.
Sincerely,
Paul Merems
ExperimentalAero
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Gesele
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 7:47 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived
I built a -6 with the Avery C-Frame and am now using the DRDT-2 to build a -10
so hopefully I can shed some light on this.
First, my general impression is that the DRDT-2 is superior to the C-Frame once
you get used to it. The dimples are consistent - rivets sit perfectly flush
every time and you never get the ring around the dimples that sometimes show
up with the C-Frame (a by-product of hitting the plunger slightly too hard). It
is very easy to use - effortless enough that my 6 year old daughter helped dimple
some of the larger skins. It is silent meaning you can work late into the
night without aggravating the neighbors, waking sleeping children, etc.
To clarify the "once you get used to it", I have two recommendations for this
tool. First, make sure it is aligned perfectly. This is easy to do, just loosen
the adjustment screws, install a dimple die into the plunger, tape its mate
and adjust until the shank slide perfectly into the bottom receptacle. Tighten
everything down and double check that the dies slide together with no binding
when in their normal positions. For the depth, set it so that you the dies just
bind, meaning you can't spin them with everything fully extended.
Second, on the heavier skins (like to fuse bottom skins some of the spar material,
etc) - you need to double pump the level to get a good dimple. Any skin
that is 025 or less can be dimpled in one shot, 032+ needs a double pump and you
should check that the rivets sit flush. There may be other ways to dimple the
heavier skins but this is what worked for me.
To summarize, you can build a perfectly good plane with either tool. For me,
the investment in the DRDT-2 was well worth it.
Hope this helps and I should add that I have no affiliation with Experimental
Aero - I'm just a very satisfied customer.
Tom Gesele #473
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of bruce breckenridge
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 8:30 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Re: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived
do not archive
I've got a fellow RV(9) builder that loves his DDRT-2. My only problem with
switching over is that if you take away our C-frame, then we've got nothing
else to smack during the building process. I agree, the construction is top-notch
and the temptation is very strong to become a convert.
For those that have spent some real time using both...what are your thoughts?
Bruce
elevators
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I asked Van's about a defrost system. Ken Scott told me that they have
computer fans mounted under the glareshield in the prototypes. I plan on doing
the
same. I'm going to try putting one fan in the tunnel as well to keep the
temperature down in there.
Jim McGrew
40134
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| Subject: | Re: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived |
I have both, and have done part of a 7A and am working my way through a
10, and you could not pry my dead fingers off of the DDRT-2, this tool
set into my workbench is as much a time saver as a pneumatic squeezer.
This tool falls into the category of don't use it or you will buy it. It
is smooth, quiet, and gives a better dimple in my opinion, the reason I
say this, is that it greatly reduces the risk of creating an extra hole,
because it is a smoother action to dimple, rather that a smack with a
mallet. You get the same fish eye, without the risk.
my .02 worth
Dan
40269 wings
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bruce
breckenridge
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 8:30 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived
do not archive
I've got a fellow RV(9) builder that loves his DDRT-2. My only problem
with switching over is that if you take away our C-frame, then we've got
nothing else to smack during the building process. I agree, the
construction is top-notch and the temptation is very strong to become a
convert.
For those that have spent some real time using both...what are your
thoughts?
Bruce
elevators
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| Subject: | Re: new instrument panel |
For those of you who may think the Cheltons are on the wrong side, that is only
correct if you have never flown fighters......
-----Original Message-----
From: John Dunne <acs@acspropeller.com.au>
Sent: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:12:07 +1000
Subject: RE: RV10-List: new instrument panel
He likes to delegate.
Actually I like the idea of cheltons as backup for your glove compartment. J
John 40315
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Friday, 17 February 2006 2:32 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: new instrument panel
Pretty cool, but isn't everything on the wrong side? : )
TDT
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of GenGrumpy@aol.com
Sent: Thu 2/16/2006 10:48 PM
Subject: RV10-List: new instrument panel
For those looking for panel ideas, here is a shot of my just finished panel.
grumpy - #40404
[Image removed]
Panel was done by Avionics Systems of Leesburg, VA. Met them at Osh last year.
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>
> 1. 02:10 AM - Re: autopilot (rob kermanj)
> 2. 03:43 AM - Re: autopilot (Russell Daves)
> 3. 04:38 AM - Re: defrosters (Jesse Saint)
> 4. 05:11 AM - Re: new instrument panel (Wayne Edgerton)
> 5. 07:15 AM - Re: defrosters (seanblair@adelphia.net)
> 6. 08:38 AM - Tailcone longeron hole clearance --one more time
(Bill and Tami Britton)
> 7. 09:04 AM - Re: Tailcone longeron hole clearance --one more time
(Bill and Tami Britton)
> 8. 09:30 AM - Engine combination (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
> 9. 09:31 AM - Re: Tailcone longeron hole clearance --one more time
()
> 10. 10:11 AM - Re: Tailcone longeron hole clearance --one more time
(linn Walters)
> 11. 10:18 AM - Re: Engine combination (Tim Olson)
> 12. 10:19 AM - Re: Tailcone longeron hole clearance --one more time
(Tim Olson)
> 13. 10:23 AM - Re: Tailcone longeron hole clearance --one more time
(John Hilger)
> 14. 10:25 AM - Deep 7/8" plug socket (Tim Olson)
> 15. 10:28 AM - Re: Engine combination (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
> 16. 10:42 AM - Re: Deep 7/8" plug socket (Michael Schipper)
> 17. 11:18 AM - RV-10 Seats for Sale (Tim Olson)
> 18. 01:19 PM - autopilot (William)
> 19. 01:29 PM - Re: autopilot (Gary Specketer)
> 20. 01:48 PM - Re: autopilot (rob kermanj)
> 21. 02:07 PM - aileron trim (Chris Johnston)
> 22. 02:23 PM - Re: autopilot (Tim Olson)
> 23. 02:33 PM - Re: aileron trim (Tim Olson)
> 24. 03:13 PM - Re: Engine combination (Larry Rosen)
> 25. 03:22 PM - Re: Engine combination (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
> 26. 04:15 PM - DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived (Jeff Dalton)
> 27. 04:47 PM - Re: Engine combination (Tim Olson)
> 28. 04:49 PM - Re: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived (Merems)
> 29. 05:02 PM - Inspection Plates (John Jessen)
> 30. 05:10 PM - Re: Engine combination (Tommy Norman)
> 31. 05:31 PM - Re: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived (bruce breckenridge)
> 32. 05:39 PM - Re: Deep 7/8" plug socket ()
> 33. 06:09 PM - DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived ()
> 34. 06:57 PM - Re: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived (Bruce Patton)
> 35. 07:28 PM - Re: Re: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived (Sean Blair)
> 36. 07:45 PM - Re: Re: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived (Neal George)
> 37. 07:48 PM - Re: Engine combination (John W. Cox)
> 38. 08:17 PM - glassing (Robert G. Wright)
> 39. 08:45 PM - Re: glassing (Sean Stephens)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
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>
>
> Time: 02:10:31 AM PST US
> From: rob kermanj <rv10es@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: autopilot
>
> I have a Trutrak in my -6. Just love it! It is precise and has the
> functionality of much more expensive auto pilots.
>
> If you are going to shoot ILS approaches, you will at least need
> IIVSGV. Talk to your EFIS guy also. Blue mountain has their own
> Auto pilot and Trutrak will not work with their system. GRT however
> supports Trutrak nicely.
>
>
> rob kermanj
> rv10es@earthlink.net
>
>
> On Feb 16, 2006, at 11:52 PM, Robert G. Wright wrote:
>
> > What are some opinions on which trutrak to use? What functions are
> > needed in the box itself, and what functions do we not need to buy
> > in the A/P that the EFIS/GPS will provide for us (steering
> > commands, vert speed, etc)
> >
> >
> > Rob
> >
> > #392
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
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>
>
> Time: 03:43:35 AM PST US
> From: "Russell Daves" <dav1111@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: autopilot
>
> I agree with the other Rob who posted, the TruTrak DigiFlight II VSGV is
what I
> bought, going with the flat panel display instead of the round. I am
using a
> three screen GRT glass display (duel Horizon II and one Sport) for a hard
IFR
> panel. The following is a picture of the panel, almost completed:
>
>
> The panel covering is a Kevlar overlay material. The bottom part of the
panel
> will also have the Kevlar overlay put on after all the break and rocker
switches
> holes are cut. The TruTrak autopilot is on the far left hand side above
the
> trim and ignition switch.
>
> Russ Daves
> #40044 (doors ready to install)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert G. Wright
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:52 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: autopilot
>
>
> What are some opinions on which trutrak to use? What functions are
needed in
> the box itself, and what functions do we not need to buy in the A/P that
the
> EFIS/GPS will provide for us (steering commands, vert speed, etc)
>
>
> Rob
>
> #392
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
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>
>
> Time: 04:38:19 AM PST US
> From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: defrosters
>
> We have a cooling fan system from Aircraft Spruce that has three ports,
two
> going to the radio stack and one unused. That could easily be run to a
hole
> in the glare shield to be used as a defrost. In fact, a fan with more
ports
> could be used and have two or more defrost ports. It would be always on,
> but I can't imagine that that would make much difference, since the fan is
> always running anyway, and the air is just from under the glare shield, so
> it shouldn't be too hot or cold except maybe just starting out. Any
reason
> that this shouldn't work?
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Jesse Saint
>
> I-TEC, Inc.
>
> jesse@itecusa.org
>
> www.itecusa.org
>
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
>
> I am in Ecuador until May, 2006. If you have questions regarding I-TEC,
> please call the office at 352-465-4545. If you would like to talk to me,
> please call me at 352-505-1899. This number won't always be on, but it
has
> voicemail that will get to me in Ecuador.
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RAS
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 11:12 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: defrosters
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
> I'm not to sure this set up will work on the ground without a fanmotor of
> some description. You'll need quite a bit of forward motion to get air to
> move through the entire system. In addition, the windscreen tends to steam
> up when on the ground before and after engine start, ie, when you do not
> have forward movement. It is even doubtful you'll have sufficient forward
> motion during taxi.
>
>
> The set up with the cooling fans out of a computer is a better option nad
> it's not the first time I've heard about it.
>
> I know there's RV4's and -6's flying with them.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: rob kermanj <mailto:rv10es@earthlink.net>
>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 4:00 PM
>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: defrosters
>
>
> Thanks, I will look.
>
>
> Do Not Archive.
>
>
> rob kermanj
>
> rv10es@earthlink.net
>
>
> On Feb 15, 2006, at 10:50 AM, Harris, Jeremy P wrote:
>
>
> Rick and I installed a defroster on our RV-10 using some tees, vent parts
> from a Cherokee, and a shutoff valve. There's some pics on our website of
> the various components.
>
> <http://jharris.net/Aviation/RV_10.htm>
> http://jharris.net/Aviation/RV_10.htm
>
>
> Jeremy P. Harris
> Integrated Missile Defense
> BMDS Architectures Lab
>
> The Boeing Company
> Washington, DC
> Desk: (703) 414-6057 Dept: AV-2L-B27T
> Cell: (703) 627-6500
> Fax: (703) 414-6372
> MC: 793C-G007
> Office: 825B
>
>
> _____
>
>
> From: Wayne Edgerton [mailto:weeav8ter@grandecom.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:28 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: defrosters
>
> Has anyone installed or thought about installing a defroster system? I
keep
> thing about running 2' hoses up to each side of the glare shield. Maybe
some
> of you who have been flying for awhile, Vic, could tell me if you think
it's
> necessary.
>
>
> Nothing can give you a bad hair day quicker than coming in IFR, low
ceilings
> and you can't see out the front window!!
>
>
> Wayne Edgerton
>
>
> # 40336
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:11:34 AM PST US
> From: "Wayne Edgerton" <weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: new instrument panel
>
> How do I see the pictures of your panel? I must obviously be doing
something incorrectly.
> Nothing shows up on my view to be able to look at them.
>
> Wayne Edgerton
> # 40336
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
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>
>
> Time: 07:15:46 AM PST US
> From: seanblair@adelphia.net
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: defrosters
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: seanblair@adelphia.net
>
> How about using a defrost fan from a car. This way you get on, off, and
multiple
> speeds. Already 12 volts too.
>
> Sean B
> #40225
>
>
> ---- Jesse Saint <jesse@itecusa.org> wrote:
> > We have a cooling fan system from Aircraft Spruce that has three ports,
two
> > going to the radio stack and one unused. That could easily be run to a
hole
> > in the glare shield to be used as a defrost. In fact, a fan with more
ports
> > could be used and have two or more defrost ports. It would be always
on,
> > but I can't imagine that that would make much difference, since the fan
is
> > always running anyway, and the air is just from under the glare shield,
so
> > it shouldn't be too hot or cold except maybe just starting out. Any
reason
> > that this shouldn't work?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jesse Saint
> >
> > I-TEC, Inc.
> >
> > jesse@itecusa.org
> >
> > www.itecusa.org
> >
> > Fax: 815-377-3694
> >
> >
> >
> > I am in Ecuador until May, 2006. If you have questions regarding I-TEC,
> > please call the office at 352-465-4545. If you would like to talk to
me,
> > please call me at 352-505-1899. This number won't always be on, but it
has
> > voicemail that will get to me in Ecuador.
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RAS
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 11:12 AM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: defrosters
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm not to sure this set up will work on the ground without a fanmotor
of
> > some description. You'll need quite a bit of forward motion to get air
to
> > move through the entire system. In addition, the windscreen tends to
steam
> > up when on the ground before and after engine start, ie, when you do not
> > have forward movement. It is even doubtful you'll have sufficient
forward
> > motion during taxi.
> >
> >
> >
> > The set up with the cooling fans out of a computer is a better option
nad
> > it's not the first time I've heard about it.
> >
> > I know there's RV4's and -6's flying with them.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: rob kermanj <mailto:rv10es@earthlink.net>
> >
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 4:00 PM
> >
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: defrosters
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks, I will look.
> >
> >
> >
> > Do Not Archive.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > rob kermanj
> >
> > rv10es@earthlink.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 15, 2006, at 10:50 AM, Harris, Jeremy P wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Rick and I installed a defroster on our RV-10 using some tees, vent
parts
> > from a Cherokee, and a shutoff valve. There's some pics on our website
of
> > the various components.
> >
> > <http://jharris.net/Aviation/RV_10.htm>
> > http://jharris.net/Aviation/RV_10.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > Jeremy P. Harris
> > Integrated Missile Defense
> > BMDS Architectures Lab
> >
> > The Boeing Company
> > Washington, DC
> > Desk: (703) 414-6057 Dept: AV-2L-B27T
> > Cell: (703) 627-6500
> > Fax: (703) 414-6372
> > MC: 793C-G007
> > Office: 825B
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> >
> > From: Wayne Edgerton [mailto:weeav8ter@grandecom.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:28 AM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV10-List: defrosters
> >
> > Has anyone installed or thought about installing a defroster system? I
keep
> > thing about running 2' hoses up to each side of the glare shield. Maybe
some
> > of you who have been flying for awhile, Vic, could tell me if you think
it's
> > necessary.
> >
> >
> >
> > Nothing can give you a bad hair day quicker than coming in IFR, low
ceilings
> > and you can't see out the front window!!
> >
> >
> >
> > Wayne Edgerton
> >
> >
> >
> > # 40336
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
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>
>
> Time: 08:38:20 AM PST US
> From: "Bill and Tami Britton" <william@gbta.net>
> Subject: RV10-List: Tailcone longeron hole clearance --one more time
>
> Posted this yesterday morning and only got one response. I even sent
the same
> question and pictures to Vans and they didn't even answer yet. Anyway,
on page
> 10-13 steps 4, 6, and 7 we are instructed to drill the end holes of each
piece
> to #12's into the longerons. What is the proper, or acceptable hole
clearances
> (to the edge of the longerons)??? Mine range from 1/4" to 1/8 inch on
> the closest ones. Is this an acceptable distance or do I need to get new
longerons
> and start over???
>
> Pictures are attached.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Bill Britton
> RV-10 Tailcone
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
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>
>
> Time: 09:04:02 AM PST US
> From: "Bill and Tami Britton" <william@gbta.net>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tailcone longeron hole clearance --one more time
>
> Forgot to attach the pictures.
>
> Do Not Archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill and Tami Britton
> To: RV10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 10:33 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: Tailcone longeron hole clearance --one more time
>
>
> Posted this yesterday morning and only got one response. I even sent
the same
> question and pictures to Vans and they didn't even answer yet. Anyway, on
> page 10-13 steps 4, 6, and 7 we are instructed to drill the end holes of
each
> piece to #12's into the longerons. What is the proper, or acceptable
hole clearances
> (to the edge of the longerons)??? Mine range from 1/4" to 1/8 inch on
> the closest ones. Is this an acceptable distance or do I need to get new
longerons
> and start over???
>
> Pictures are attached.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Bill Britton
> RV-10 Tailcone
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
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>
>
> Time: 09:30:36 AM PST US
> Subject: RV10-List: Engine combination
> From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@avidyne.com>
>
> Fellows:
>
>
> What have the "flyers" been getting for Phase I fly-off time? 40 or 25
> hours? Does the IO-540 with Hartzell qualify as an approved
> combination, or is it not yet (or ever) "certified"?
>
>
> TDT
> 40025
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
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>
>
> Time: 09:31:00 AM PST US
> From: <millstees@ameritech.net>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tailcone longeron hole clearance --one more time
>
> The holes on my longeron are uniformly 1/2" from the outboard edge of the
longeron.
> Sounds like your F-1014 aft deck was not square when you drilled the
longeron.
> As has often been said, the parts are cheap, so order a new part and do
> it right.
>
> Steve Mills 40486
> N750SM reserved
> wings
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill and Tami Britton
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 11:01 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tailcone longeron hole clearance --one more time
>
>
> Forgot to attach the pictures.
>
> Do Not Archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill and Tami Britton
> To: RV10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 10:33 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: Tailcone longeron hole clearance --one more time
>
>
> Posted this yesterday morning and only got one response. I even
sent the
> same question and pictures to Vans and they didn't even answer yet.
Anyway,
> on page 10-13 steps 4, 6, and 7 we are instructed to drill the end holes
of each
> piece to #12's into the longerons. What is the proper, or acceptable hole
> clearances (to the edge of the longerons)??? Mine range from 1/4" to 1/8
inch
> on the closest ones. Is this an acceptable distance or do I need to get
new
> longerons and start over???
>
> Pictures are attached.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Bill Britton
> RV-10 Tailcone
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
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>
>
> Time: 10:11:17 AM PST US
> From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tailcone longeron hole clearance --one more time
>
> Bill and Tami Britton wrote:
>
> > Posted this yesterday morning and only got one response. I even
> > sent the same question and pictures to Vans and they didn't even
> > answer yet. Anyway, on page 10-13 steps 4, 6, and 7 we are instructed
> > to drill the end holes of each piece to #12's into the longerons.
> > What is the proper, or acceptable hole clearances (to the edge of the
> > longerons)??? Mine range from 1/4" to 1/8 inch on the closest ones.
> > Is this an acceptable distance or do I need to get new longerons and
> > start over???
> >
> > Pictures are attached.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Bill Britton
> > RV-10 Tailcone
>
> You should have a copy of AC43.13. It will tell you far more than you
> ever wanted to know about different construction materials and how to
> work with them.
> Go to
>
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular
.nsf/0/99C827DB9BAAC81B86256B4500596C4E?OpenDocument&Highlight=43
>
> (you may have to cut and paste .... I haven't mastered 'small URL' yet)
> and look in chapter 4 ...... 4-57 to be more exact, and you'll find
> metal repairs ..... and a whole lot more. AC43.13 will be almost (I did
> say almost) as valuable as a set of plans or an extra set of hands.
> Trust me.
> Linn
> Do not archive ...... which was missing from the original message.
>
> ________________________________ Message 11
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>
>
> Time: 10:18:08 AM PST US
> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine combination
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> I got 25 because of the IO-540/Hartzell Combo. That was one of the
> first questions the DAR asked, and all I had to do was tell
> him what I had and he automatically said "That will be good,
> you'll only have a 25 hour flyoff."
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> > Fellows:
> >
> >
> >
> > What have the flyers been getting for Phase I fly-off time? 40 or 25
> > hours? Does the IO-540 with Hartzell qualify as an approved
> > combination, or is it not yet (or ever) certified?
> >
> >
> >
> > TDT
> > 40025
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 12
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>
>
> Time: 10:19:51 AM PST US
> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tailcone longeron hole clearance --one more time
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> I guess I have the question of: Do you think you can do it
> better the 2nd time around? If so, it may not be a bad
> thing to rework. See if you're able to move things around
> so that the next longeron would be drilled better. Then
> you at least know if that option will help.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Bill and Tami Britton wrote:
> > Posted this yesterday morning and only got one response. I even sent
> > the same question and pictures to Vans and they didn't even answer yet.
> > Anyway, on page 10-13 steps 4, 6, and 7 we are instructed to drill the
> > end holes of each piece to #12's into the longerons. What is the
> > proper, or acceptable hole clearances (to the edge of the longerons)???
> > Mine range from 1/4" to 1/8 inch on the closest ones. Is this an
> > acceptable distance or do I need to get new longerons and start over???
> >
> > Pictures are attached.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Bill Britton
> > RV-10 Tailcone
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 13
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>
>
> Time: 10:23:18 AM PST US
> From: "John Hilger" <ninepapa@bendbroadband.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tailcone longeron hole clearance --one more time
>
> Bill
>
> For your reference here is how mine came out. The outside edges of the
deck were
> lined up flush with the outside edges of the longerons, not the skins.
>
> If the holes were moved outward much more the might be a problem with the
washer
> under the nut seating properly because of the radius of the extrusion.
>
> John
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill and Tami Britton
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:01 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tailcone longeron hole clearance --one more time
>
>
> Forgot to attach the pictures.
>
> Do Not Archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill and Tami Britton
> To: RV10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 10:33 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: Tailcone longeron hole clearance --one more time
>
>
> Posted this yesterday morning and only got one response. I even
sent the
> same question and pictures to Vans and they didn't even answer yet.
Anyway,
> on page 10-13 steps 4, 6, and 7 we are instructed to drill the end holes
of each
> piece to #12's into the longerons. What is the proper, or acceptable hole
> clearances (to the edge of the longerons)??? Mine range from 1/4" to 1/8
inch
> on the closest ones. Is this an acceptable distance or do I need to get
new
> longerons and start over???
>
> Pictures are attached.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Bill Britton
> RV-10 Tailcone
>
> ________________________________ Message 14
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>
>
> Time: 10:25:31 AM PST US
> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: Deep 7/8" plug socket
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Anyone have a good source on a nice deeeep 7/8" socket for
> pulling sparkplugs? My Champion plugs in my old plane had
> the nut higher towards the tip, so my Craftsman worked.
> The Unison plugs that came with my stuff have the nut
> way down low. My Craftsman socket only just touches
> the nut area. I see Aircraft Spruce has a $49 plug
> socket. Just thought someone must have one for something
> reasonable.
>
> Tim
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 15
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>
>
> Time: 10:28:18 AM PST US
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine combination
> From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@avidyne.com>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
>
> Sweet.
>
> TDT
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 1:18 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine combination
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> I got 25 because of the IO-540/Hartzell Combo. That was one of the
> first questions the DAR asked, and all I had to do was tell
> him what I had and he automatically said "That will be good,
> you'll only have a 25 hour flyoff."
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> > Fellows:
> >
> >
> >
> > What have the "flyers" been getting for Phase I fly-off time? 40 or
> 25
> > hours? Does the IO-540 with Hartzell qualify as an approved
> > combination, or is it not yet (or ever) "certified"?
> >
> >
> >
> > TDT
> > 40025
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 16
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>
>
> Time: 10:42:02 AM PST US
> From: Michael Schipper <mike@learningplanet.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Deep 7/8" plug socket
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Michael Schipper
<mike@learningplanet.com>
>
> I just bought one from Avery for $15. It is "new surplus", and is not
> chrome plated, but it works.
>
> Regards,
> Mike Schipper
> -9A N63MS - Flying
> www.my9a.com
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2006, at 12:24 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> >
> > Anyone have a good source on a nice deeeep 7/8" socket for
> > pulling sparkplugs? My Champion plugs in my old plane had
> > the nut higher towards the tip, so my Craftsman worked.
> > The Unison plugs that came with my stuff have the nut
> > way down low. My Craftsman socket only just touches
> > the nut area. I see Aircraft Spruce has a $49 plug
> > socket. Just thought someone must have one for something
> > reasonable.
> >
> > Tim
> > --
> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> > www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 17
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>
>
> Time: 11:18:29 AM PST US
> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Seats for Sale
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
>
> I've got my original, never been flown in, Front seat covers and
> complete rear seat cushions for sale. They were those that were
> made by Cleaveland and I had let them display at OSH 2005. They're
> very nice seats. I have some photos of them on my site. The front
> covers would be able to slide right onto your foam cushions, and
> the rear are pre-assembled foam seats that would just lay on the
> seatpans. If you're interested in my unused seat covers, I'll
> sell them for $1,000.
>
> The reason I am selling them is that over the past couple
> months I allowed Abby from Flightline Interiors to use my plane
> for patterning for her interior package. There's a lot of
> initial patterning, fitting of pieces, and then rework and
> refitting that gets done to make everything perfect. During
> the time that she was up to do this work, I really enjoyed
> working with her and decided to buy a set of her seat covers
> as well as the interior. I was motivated by her lumbar
> pouch and her ability to have my N-Number embroidered into
> the seat covers, as well as how her rear seat cushions completely
> cover the rear seatbacks.
>
> Current prices on seat covers from Cleaveland would be
> $1,380. http://www.cleavelandtool.com/rvinteriors/2005/RV10.htm
> If you want their seat covers but in a different color, they
> should be able to make them for you.
>
> If you are interested in new seat covers from Abby at
> Flightline Interiors: http://www.flightlineinteriors.com
> you can see her website for details. Current prices on
> her RV-10 set would be $1325. Her site is not updated
> with the most current of photos. Over the next couple weeks
> I'll try to get some good shots of my interior as I add the
> carpet and get it all in order. Any photos of seats you've
> seen prior to my first flight would be either prototype
> seatcovers or my original Cleaveland ones. The new ones
> are a bit different.
>
> I can send them early next week to any takers. I'll take
> more photos if needed. You pay the shipping.
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 18
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>
>
> Time: 01:19:43 PM PST US
> From: "William" <wcurtis@core.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: autopilot
>
> rob kermanj wrote:
> >If you are going to shoot ILS approaches, you will at least need
> >IIVSGV. Talk to your EFIS guy also.
>
> TruTrack is a great autopilot and I also intend to use the Digiflight II
VSGV,
> however lets be clear on what is does and does not do. Firstly, the
Digiflight
> II VSGV will NOT track an ILS directly. There are no provisions in the
Digiflight
> for a VHF ILS Nav inputs, they only use GPS Nav data.
>
> While you can use a II VSGV to laterally fly a GPS overlay to an ILS, it
cannot
> directly fly an ILS and will not track the glideslope even with the
Vertical
> GPS Steering capability. Since only the DFC & Sorcerer autopilots
support external
> HSIs, only they can track an ILS directly by tracking the HSI needles.
>
> That being said however, here is how a GRT EFIS can trick a Digiflight II
VSGV
> into tracking an ILS. Im not sure but the Chelton should also be able to
do the
> same. You would wire the VHF/NAV radio signals into the GRT. The GRT
would
> use these signals to depict the HSI and glidescope on the EFIS. Since
the GRT
> now has the vertical and lateral guidance for the ILS from the VHF/NAV
radio,
> it can feed these to the TruTrack as GPS lateral and vertical steering
commands.
> In other words, the GRT EFIS would drive the autopilot.
>
> For the Digiflight autopilots, you need something in between it and the
VHF/NAV
> radio if you want it to fly an ILS. For WAAS approaches with vertical
guidance,
> the GPS can drive the autopilot directly, but not for ILS approaches.
> William Curtis
> 40237 - fuse
> http://nerv10.com/
>
> ________________________________ Message 19
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>
>
> Time: 01:29:05 PM PST US
> From: "Gary Specketer" <speckter@comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: autopilot
>
> Thank you for that clarification. It helps us non electron types.
> Do not archive
> Gary
> 40274 Working on breaklines and fuel lines
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 4:17 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: autopilot
>
>
> rob kermanj wrote:
> >If you are going to shoot ILS approaches, you will at least need
> >IIVSGV. Talk to your EFIS guy also.
>
> TruTrack is a great autopilot and I also intend to use the Digiflight II
> VSGV, however lets be clear on what is does and does not do. Firstly, the
> Digiflight II VSGV will NOT track an ILS directly. There are no provisions
> in the Digiflight for a VHF ILS Nav inputs, they only use GPS Nav data.
>
> While you can use a II VSGV to laterally fly a GPS overlay to an ILS, it
> cannot directly fly an ILS and will not track the glideslope -even with
the
> Vertical GPS Steering capability. Since only the DFC & Sorcerer autopilots
> support external HSIs, only they can track an ILS directly -by tracking
the
> HSI needles.
>
> That being said however, here is how a GRT EFIS can "trick" a Digiflight
II
> VSGV into tracking an ILS. I'm not sure but the Chelton should also be
able
> to do the same. You would wire the VHF/NAV radio signals into the GRT. The
> GRT would use these signals to depict the HSI and glidescope on the EFIS.
> Since the GRT now has the vertical and lateral guidance for the ILS from
the
> VHF/NAV radio, it can feed these to the TruTrack as GPS lateral and
vertical
> steering commands. In other words, the GRT EFIS would drive the autopilot.
>
> For the Digiflight autopilots, you need something in between it and the
> VHF/NAV radio if you want it to fly an ILS. For WAAS approaches with
> vertical guidance, the GPS can drive the autopilot directly, but not for
ILS
> approaches.
> William Curtis
> 40237 - fuse
> http://nerv10.com/
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 20
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>
>
> Time: 01:48:20 PM PST US
> From: rob kermanj <rv10es@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: autopilot
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: rob kermanj <rv10es@earthlink.net>
>
> I stand corrected. I was under the impression that with the
> inclusion of the ARINC option with GRT, They were able to fly the ILS
> approach. It is OK with me if they If they mimic the approch. I
> will clarify it with GRT.
>
> Thanks
> rob kermanj
> rv10es@earthlink.net
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2006, at 4:16 PM, William wrote:
>
> > rob kermanj wrote:
> > >If you are going to shoot ILS approaches, you will at least need
> > >IIVSGV. Talk to your EFIS guy also.
> >
> > TruTrack is a great autopilot and I also intend to use the
> > Digiflight II VSGV, however lets be clear on what is does and does
> > not do. Firstly, the Digiflight II VSGV will NOT track an ILS
> > directly. There are no provisions in the Digiflight for a VHF ILS
> > Nav inputs, they only use GPS Nav data.
> >
> > While you can use a II VSGV to laterally fly a GPS overlay to an
> > ILS, it cannot directly fly an ILS and will not track the
> > glideslope even with the Vertical GPS Steering capability. Since
> > only the DFC & Sorcerer autopilots support external HSIs, only they
> > can track an ILS directly by tracking the HSI needles.
> >
> > That being said however, here is how a GRT EFIS can trick a
> > Digiflight II VSGV into tracking an ILS. Im not sure but the
> > Chelton should also be able to do the same. You would wire the VHF/
> > NAV radio signals into the GRT. The GRT would use these signals to
> > depict the HSI and glidescope on the EFIS. Since the GRT now has
> > the vertical and lateral guidance for the ILS from the VHF/NAV
> > radio, it can feed these to the TruTrack as GPS lateral and
> > vertical steering commands. In other words, the GRT EFIS would
> > drive the autopilot.
> >
> > For the Digiflight autopilots, you need something in between it and
> > the VHF/NAV radio if you want it to fly an ILS. For WAAS approaches
> > with vertical guidance, the GPS can drive the autopilot directly,
> > but not for ILS approaches.
> > William Curtis
> > 40237 - fuse
> > http://nerv10.com/
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 21
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>
>
> Time: 02:07:44 PM PST US
> Subject: RV10-List: aileron trim
> From: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston@popsound.com>
>
> Hey all -
>
> I was hoping someone could clear some stuff up for me about the
> aileron trim... I searched the archives but couldn't find the info. In
> Vans catalog, the aileron trim for the RV-10 says that the trim is a
> spring bias system connected to the control column. I thought, however,
> that I had heard that it was installed in the wing. Could someone who's
> installed it clear this up for me? And also, what I should order if I
> plan to install it?
>
> Thanks
>
> cj
>
> #40410
> wings
> www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 22
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>
>
> Time: 02:23:17 PM PST US
> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: autopilot
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> William is right. Also, regarding the Chelton, yes, it will
> work with the VSGV and fly bth vertical and lateral guidance.
> It becomes very hard to justify the more expensive AP's
> if you have a powerful EFIS. The Sorcerer would be about
> as good as you can get if you wanted the top of the line.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> William wrote:
> > rob kermanj wrote:
> > >If you are going to shoot ILS approaches, you will at least need
> > >IIVSGV. Talk to your EFIS guy also.
> >
> > TruTrack is a great autopilot and I also intend to use the Digiflight
II
> > VSGV, however lets be clear on what is does and does not do. Firstly,
> > the Digiflight II VSGV will NOT track an ILS directly. There are no
> > provisions in the Digiflight for a VHF ILS Nav inputs, they only use
GPS
> > Nav data.
> >
> > While you can use a II VSGV to laterally fly a GPS overlay to an ILS,
it
> > cannot directly fly an ILS and will not track the glideslope even with
> > the Vertical GPS Steering capability. Since only the DFC & Sorcerer
> > autopilots support external HSIs, only they can track an ILS directly
> > by tracking the HSI needles.
> >
> > That being said however, here is how a GRT EFIS can trick a Digiflight
> > II VSGV into tracking an ILS. Im not sure but the Chelton should also
> > be able to do the same. You would wire the VHF/NAV radio signals into
> > the GRT. The GRT would use these signals to depict the HSI and
> > glidescope on the EFIS. Since the GRT now has the vertical and lateral
> > guidance for the ILS from the VHF/NAV radio, it can feed these to the
> > TruTrack as GPS lateral and vertical steering commands. In other words,
> > the GRT EFIS would drive the autopilot.
> >
> > For the Digiflight autopilots, you need something in between it and the
> > VHF/NAV radio if you want it to fly an ILS. For WAAS approaches with
> > vertical guidance, the GPS can drive the autopilot directly, but not
for
> > ILS approaches.
> > William Curtis
> > 40237 - fuse
> > http://nerv10.com/
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 23
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>
>
> Time: 02:33:21 PM PST US
> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: aileron trim
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> It's definitely a wing installed spring system. You basically have a
> pair of springs mounted to the aileron pushrod, with the center being
> a kind of lever arrangement. The servo just swings the lever one way
> or the other, which adds tension to one side. It seems to work fine,
> and it's a pretty simple system. There isn't anything connected to
> the control column. I installed mine in a completed wing. It will
> be JUST slightly easier to do if your wingtips are off. You may
> also want to paint that wing access plate after you install the trim.
> other than that, it's super simple. If you plan to install it, the
> only thing you need extra is a little wire (I think there might be
> 5 wires to the servo), and some sort of stick that has a Hat switch.
> The Aileron trim is one of those things I wouldn't sweat until you
> get nearly done with the project...and just install it right before you
> mount your wings.
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>
>
> Chris Johnston wrote:
> > Hey all
> > I was hoping someone could clear some stuff up for me about the
> > aileron trim I searched the archives but couldnt find the info.
> > In Vans catalog, the aileron trim for the RV-10 says that the trim
> > is a spring bias system connected to the control column. I thought,
> > however, that I had heard that it was installed in the wing. Could
> > someone whos installed it clear this up for me? And also, what I
> > should order if I plan to install it?
> >
> > Thanks
>
> > cj
> > #40410
> > wings
> > www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 24
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>
>
> Time: 03:13:15 PM PST US
> From: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine combination
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>
> Tim,
> It is interesting that you got a 25 hr flyoff with the Aerosport
> (experimental) IO-540. I would have thought that you would have gotten
> the 40 hrs.
>
> Makes it easier to get ready for Sun-N-Fun. I'll see you there.
>
> Larry Rosen
> http://lrosen.nerv10.com
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
>
> >--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
> >
> >
> >Sweet.
> >
> >TDT
> >Do not archive
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> >Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 1:18 PM
> >To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine combination
> >
> >--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> >
> >I got 25 because of the IO-540/Hartzell Combo. That was one of the
> >first questions the DAR asked, and all I had to do was tell
> >him what I had and he automatically said "That will be good,
> >you'll only have a 25 hour flyoff."
> >
> >
> >Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> >do not archive
> >
> >
> >Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Fellows:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>What have the "flyers" been getting for Phase I fly-off time? 40 or
> >>
> >>
> >25
> >
> >
> >>hours? Does the IO-540 with Hartzell qualify as an approved
> >>combination, or is it not yet (or ever) "certified"?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>TDT
> >>40025
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 25
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>
>
> Time: 03:22:32 PM PST US
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine combination
> From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
> One thing that may or may not make a difference is how the DAR
interprets this
> rule. I always understood it to mean an actual certified engine prop
combo.
> Technically the Hartzell blended airfoil prop for the -10 was specially
made
> for this package so it is not a certified prop in the respect of it being
usable
> on something like a Cherokee Six or something. But it is a certified
combo,
> per Van, on the -10.
>
> My point is, like everything else with the Feds, don't expect it to
always get
> 25 hours but we can hope.
>
> Michael Sausen
> -10 #352 Fuselage
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 12:28 PM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine combination
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
> --> <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
>
> Sweet.
>
> TDT
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 1:18 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine combination
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> I got 25 because of the IO-540/Hartzell Combo. That was one of the first
questions
> the DAR asked, and all I had to do was tell him what I had and he
automatically
> said "That will be good, you'll only have a 25 hour flyoff."
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> > Fellows:
> >
> >
> > What have the "flyers" been getting for Phase I fly-off time? 40 or
> 25
> > hours? Does the IO-540 with Hartzell qualify as an approved
> > combination, or is it not yet (or ever) "certified"?
> >
> >
> > TDT
> > 40025
> >
>
>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 26
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>
>
> Time: 04:15:28 PM PST US
> From: "Jeff Dalton" <jdalton77@comcast.net>
> Subject: RV10-List: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived
>
> My DDRT-2 arrived last week and all I can say it that Paul at
Experimental Aero
> does and awesome job building and shipping this tool.
>
> If you're using a typical C-Frame tool you may not realize how much
easier (and
> quieter) your work could be.
>
> It's worth every penny.
>
> ________________________________ Message 27
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>
>
> Time: 04:47:46 PM PST US
> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine combination
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Yeah, but it's still a Lycoming. When he told me about the 25, I even
> pushed him and asked if that included an Aerosport. I think they're
> just fine as long as you don't go with some actual alternative engine.
> I'm sure it could vary from DAR to DAR to FSDO....but all the paperwork
> went thru the MSP FSDO and it still made it.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Larry Rosen wrote:
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
> >
> > Tim,
> > It is interesting that you got a 25 hr flyoff with the Aerosport
> > (experimental) IO-540. I would have thought that you would have gotten
> > the 40 hrs.
> >
> > Makes it easier to get ready for Sun-N-Fun. I'll see you there.
> >
> > Larry Rosen
> > http://lrosen.nerv10.com
> >
> > Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> >
> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
> >> <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sweet.
> >>
> >> TDT
> >> Do not archive
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> >> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 1:18 PM
> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine combination
> >>
> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> >>
> >> I got 25 because of the IO-540/Hartzell Combo. That was one of the
> >> first questions the DAR asked, and all I had to do was tell
> >> him what I had and he automatically said "That will be good,
> >> you'll only have a 25 hour flyoff."
> >>
> >>
> >> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> >> do not archive
> >>
> >>
> >> Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Fellows:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> What have the "flyers" been getting for Phase I fly-off time? 40 or
> >>>
> >> 25
> >>
> >>> hours? Does the IO-540 with Hartzell qualify as an approved
> >>> combination, or is it not yet (or ever) "certified"?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> TDT
> >>> 40025
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 28
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>
>
> Time: 04:49:43 PM PST US
> From: "Merems" <merems@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived
>
> Jeff,
>
> Thanks for the feedback. Enjoy the tool.
>
> Build on....
>
> Paul
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff Dalton
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 5:13 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived
>
>
> My DDRT-2 arrived last week and all I can say it that Paul at
Experimental Aero
> does and awesome job building and shipping this tool.
>
> If you're using a typical C-Frame tool you may not realize how much
easier (and
> quieter) your work could be.
>
> It's worth every penny.
>
> ________________________________ Message 29
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>
>
> Time: 05:02:48 PM PST US
> From: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: Inspection Plates
>
> Anyone installing clear (plexi?) inspection covers / plates instead of
> aluminum?
>
> John Jessen
> ~328
>
> ________________________________ Message 30
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>
>
> Time: 05:10:58 PM PST US
> From: "Tommy Norman" <tie-norman@comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine combination
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tommy Norman" <tie-norman@comcast.net>
>
> A local 7A was signed off in Oct. and received a 40 hour fly off. It is
> equipped with a Superior XP-360 and the blended airfoil from Van's. I
> have seen this exact combo get a 25 hour fly off from another DAR. As
> Tim said, it does vary.
>
> (fingers crossed for 25 and a BIG box)
>
> Tommy
> Do not archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 6:46 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine combination
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Yeah, but it's still a Lycoming. When he told me about the 25, I even
> pushed him and asked if that included an Aerosport. I think they're
> just fine as long as you don't go with some actual alternative engine.
> I'm sure it could vary from DAR to DAR to FSDO....but all the paperwork
> went thru the MSP FSDO and it still made it.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Larry Rosen wrote:
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
> >
> > Tim,
> > It is interesting that you got a 25 hr flyoff with the Aerosport
> > (experimental) IO-540. I would have thought that you would have
> gotten
> > the 40 hrs.
> >
> > Makes it easier to get ready for Sun-N-Fun. I'll see you there.
> >
> > Larry Rosen
> > http://lrosen.nerv10.com
> >
> > Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> >
> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
> >> <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sweet.
> >>
> >> TDT
> >> Do not archive
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> >> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 1:18 PM
> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine combination
> >>
> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> >>
> >> I got 25 because of the IO-540/Hartzell Combo. That was one of the
> >> first questions the DAR asked, and all I had to do was tell
> >> him what I had and he automatically said "That will be good,
> >> you'll only have a 25 hour flyoff."
> >>
> >>
> >> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> >> do not archive
> >>
> >>
> >> Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Fellows:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> What have the "flyers" been getting for Phase I fly-off time? 40 or
> >>>
> >> 25
> >>
> >>> hours? Does the IO-540 with Hartzell qualify as an approved
> >>> combination, or is it not yet (or ever) "certified"?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> TDT
> >>> 40025
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 31
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>
>
> Time: 05:31:55 PM PST US
> From: "bruce breckenridge" <bbreckenridge@gmail.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived
>
> do not archive
>
> I've got a fellow RV(9) builder that loves his DDRT-2. My only problem
with
> switching over is that if you take away our C-frame, then we've got
nothing
> else to smack during the building process. I agree, the construction is
> top-notch and the temptation is very strong to become a convert.
>
> For those that have spent some real time using both...what are your
> thoughts?
>
> Bruce
> elevators
>
> ________________________________ Message 32
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>
>
> Time: 05:39:49 PM PST US
> From: <jim@CombsFive.Com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Deep 7/8" plug socket
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: <jim@combsfive.com>
>
> Tim,
>
> I bought a 7/8" 1/2" Dirve, Kobalt socket from Lowes. It's 3-1/4" deep
compared
> to my Craftsman at 2-1/2".
>
> Jim Combs
> N312F
> 40192 - Fuselage
>
> do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 33
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>
>
> Time: 06:09:26 PM PST US
> From: <gommone7@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: RV10-List: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: <gommone7@bellsouth.net>
>
> The DDRT-2( I thinks if he named R2-D2) will sound cool,is a clever and
nice machine
> ,if I have a possibility to improve ,I will made the bottom set much
closet
> to the border ,and instead of square front,only a V shape,that will give a
> versatility hard to beat.
> In my opinion I own to his guy and the cogsdill company a nice couple of
hundred.
> hours save from the project,my opinion only.
> Hugo
> do not archive
> >
> > From: "bruce breckenridge" <bbreckenridge@gmail.com>
> > Date: 2006/02/17 Fri PM 08:29:57 EST
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV10-List: Re: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > I've got a fellow RV(9) builder that loves his DDRT-2. My only problem
with
> > switching over is that if you take away our C-frame, then we've got
nothing
> > else to smack during the building process. I agree, the construction is
> > top-notch and the temptation is very strong to become a convert.
> >
> > For those that have spent some real time using both...what are your
> > thoughts?
> >
> > Bruce
> > elevators
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 34
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>
>
> Time: 06:57:01 PM PST US
> From: Bruce Patton <bpattonsoa@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived
>
> I welded up a dimpler with angle iron from an old bedframe. Finished my
RV-6A,
> loaned the thing to another builder. It is on its third airframe, and
still
> works well (loudly). Much more in the RV frame of mind.
>
> Bruce Patton
> Waiting on retirement for the 10
>
> gommone7@bellsouth.net wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by:
>
> The DDRT-2( I thinks if he named R2-D2) will sound cool,is a clever and
nice machine
> ,if I have a possibility to improve ,I will made the bottom set much
closet
> to the border ,and instead of square front,only a V shape,that will give a
> versatility hard to beat.
> In my opinion I own to his guy and the cogsdill company a nice couple of
hundred.
> hours save from the project,my opinion only.
> Hugo
> do not archive
> >
> > From: "bruce breckenridge"
> > Date: 2006/02/17 Fri PM 08:29:57 EST
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV10-List: Re: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > I've got a fellow RV(9) builder that loves his DDRT-2. My only problem
with
> > switching over is that if you take away our C-frame, then we've got
nothing
> > else to smack during the building process. I agree, the construction is
> > top-notch and the temptation is very strong to become a convert.
> >
> > For those that have spent some real time using both...what are your
> > thoughts?
> >
> > Bruce
> > elevators
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 35
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>
>
> Time: 07:28:14 PM PST US
> From: "Sean Blair" <seanblair@adelphia.net>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived
>
> The DRDT-2 is so much better than a regular C-frame. It allows you to use
> you other hand to guide your part through instead of holding a mallet.
Just
> make sure you put the handle in the up position when you're done using it.
> It can really hurt the ribs when you walk into it. Maybe a bright colored
> handle would be good instead of black. Glad to have it.
>
>
> Sean B
>
> #40225
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bruce
> breckenridge
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 6:30 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
> I've got a fellow RV(9) builder that loves his DDRT-2. My only problem
with
> switching over is that if you take away our C-frame, then we've got
nothing
> else to smack during the building process. I agree, the construction is
> top-notch and the temptation is very strong to become a convert.
>
>
> For those that have spent some real time using both...what are your
> thoughts?
>
>
> Bruce
>
> elevators
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 36
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>
>
> Time: 07:45:59 PM PST US
> From: "Neal George" <neal@appaero.com>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived
>
> I have both.
> C-Frame dimpling sucks.
> DRDT-2 ROCKS!
> Thanks again Paul.
>
> Neal E. George
> 244 Andrews Street
> Maxwell AFB, AL 36113
> Home - 334-262-8993
> Cell - 334-546-2033
>
> do not archive
>
> I've got a fellow RV(9) builder that loves his DDRT-2. My only problem
> with switching over is that if you take away our C-frame, then we've got
> nothing else to smack during the building process. I agree, the
> construction is top-notch and the temptation is very strong to become a
> convert.
>
> For those that have spent some real time using both...what are your
> thoughts?
>
> Bruce
> elevators
>
> ________________________________ Message 37
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>
>
> Time: 07:48:25 PM PST US
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine combination
> From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
> The subject of 25 vs. 40 should be more clear than the confusion
> created. A Superior XP is an experimental engine not a certified
> Lycoming IO. The propeller needs to have FAA certification as well as
> the engine to get to 25 hours, to which the Hartzell C2YR-1BF/F8068D
> has. The easy path is the exact match of certified powerplant with the
> certified propeller chosen/proven by a certified GA manufacturer.
>
> As you pick a certified Lycoming (rebuilt) with a separate (non paired)
> propeller, it is up to the authority of the DAR you chose. So chose
> wisely. An XP engine whether by Monte Barrett, Precision, or Aero Sport
> is not certified. Aero Sport does a remarkable job rebuilding certified
> Lycoming engines at a fair price. Superior proves a great service of
> helping builders assembly their own experimental (non certified)
> powerplant at an additional savings. You just fly off the 40 hours.
>
> If you modify the VANS plans on the airframe, you get the 40 hours as
> well.
>
> John - KUAO
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Norman
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 5:10 PM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine combination
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tommy Norman" <tie-norman@comcast.net>
>
> A local 7A was signed off in Oct. and received a 40 hour fly off. It is
> equipped with a Superior XP-360 and the blended airfoil from Van's. I
> have seen this exact combo get a 25 hour fly off from another DAR. As
> Tim said, it does vary.
>
> (fingers crossed for 25 and a BIG box)
>
> Tommy
> Do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 38
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>
> Time: 08:17:40 PM PST US
> From: "Robert G. Wright" <armywrights@adelphia.net>
> Subject: RV10-List: glassing
>
> I have no foam rib material left over for the emp tip fairings. Is there
a
> something available locally that will work as the backing for glassing in
> the backside of the tips?
>
>
> Rob #392
>
> Emp attach
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 39
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>
> Time: 08:45:24 PM PST US
> From: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: glassing
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
> I just went to a Hobby or Craft store locally. They usually have plenty
> of foam choices in various thicknesses.
>
> -Sean #40303
>
> Robert G. Wright wrote:
> >
> > I have no foam rib material left over for the emp tip fairings. Is
> > there a something available locally that will work as the backing for
> > glassing in the backside of the tips?
> >
> >
> >
> > Rob #392
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> > Emp attach
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| Subject: | Re: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived |
I took the idea of the DDRT-2 a little further. I fashioned a C-frame that
approximated the DDRT-2 design with one major difference. I had a special adaptor
plate fabricated that would allow me to insert my pneumatic squeezer. I had
a hardened extended length shaft made to account for the extra thickness of
the adapter plate. When put together and using a pneumatic foot switch I am able
to easily dimple a 4' x 8' sheet as the throat depth is 25". It takes me about
5 minutes to attach the squeezer to the adapter plate.
I am able to use both hands to guide the panel in place and I can produce dimples
at the rate of 30 - 45 per minute. This thing has worked beautifully for
me and has cut down on the time and noise associated with this process.
If anyone is interested in seeing some photos they can contact me off-line
at: effectus(at)rogers(dot)com
Dave Hertner
----- Original Message -----
From: Lloyd, Daniel R.
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 12:44 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived
I have both, and have done part of a 7A and am working my way through a 10, and
you could not pry my dead fingers off of the DDRT-2, this tool set into my
workbench is as much a time saver as a pneumatic squeezer. This tool falls into
the category of don't use it or you will buy it. It is smooth, quiet, and gives
a better dimple in my opinion, the reason I say this, is that it greatly reduces
the risk of creating an extra hole, because it is a smoother action to
dimple, rather that a smack with a mallet. You get the same fish eye, without
the risk.
my .02 worth
Dan
40269 wings
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bruce breckenridge
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 8:30 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Re: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived
do not archive
I've got a fellow RV(9) builder that loves his DDRT-2. My only problem with
switching over is that if you take away our C-frame, then we've got nothing else
to smack during the building process. I agree, the construction is top-notch
and the temptation is very strong to become a convert.
For those that have spent some real time using both...what are your thoughts?
Bruce
elevators
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| Subject: | Engine combination |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
We got 25 hours with a certified IO-540 rebuild and a blended airfoil
Hartzell, but the DAR almost gave us 40 because he couldn't find the
"Bendix" name on the fuel servo (thingy on the bottom of the engine where
the air goes in, if I used the wrong name).
I am pretty sure he did look to make sure we had two normal mags. Like
everybody says, it all depends. Our DAR was fairly picky about making sure
the engine/prop combo was certified, but didn't take more than a couple of
minutes to actually check the plane. He seemed to be thinking, "it looks
like an airplane to me." We had the placards and the data plate and put the
N-numbers on with electrical tape while he was there, and hooked up a
compass in a hole on the panel with wire ties because he said we needed one
beyond the EFIS, but he was fine with that. Just as long as that fuel servo
says "Bendix" on it.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
Fax: 815-377-3694
I am in Ecuador until May, 2006. If you have questions regarding I-TEC,
please call the office at 352-465-4545. If you would like to talk to me,
please call me at 352-505-1899. This number won't always be on, but it has
voicemail that will get to me in Ecuador.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Norman
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 8:10 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine combination
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tommy Norman" <tie-norman@comcast.net>
A local 7A was signed off in Oct. and received a 40 hour fly off. It is
equipped with a Superior XP-360 and the blended airfoil from Van's. I
have seen this exact combo get a 25 hour fly off from another DAR. As
Tim said, it does vary.
(fingers crossed for 25 and a BIG box)
Tommy
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine combination
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Yeah, but it's still a Lycoming. When he told me about the 25, I even
pushed him and asked if that included an Aerosport. I think they're
just fine as long as you don't go with some actual alternative engine.
I'm sure it could vary from DAR to DAR to FSDO....but all the paperwork
went thru the MSP FSDO and it still made it.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Larry Rosen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>
> Tim,
> It is interesting that you got a 25 hr flyoff with the Aerosport
> (experimental) IO-540. I would have thought that you would have
gotten
> the 40 hrs.
>
> Makes it easier to get ready for Sun-N-Fun. I'll see you there.
>
> Larry Rosen
> http://lrosen.nerv10.com
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
>> <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
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>>
>> Sweet.
>>
>> TDT
>> Do not archive
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 1:18 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine combination
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> I got 25 because of the IO-540/Hartzell Combo. That was one of the
>> first questions the DAR asked, and all I had to do was tell
>> him what I had and he automatically said "That will be good,
>> you'll only have a 25 hour flyoff."
>>
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Fellows:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What have the "flyers" been getting for Phase I fly-off time? 40 or
>>>
>> 25
>>
>>> hours? Does the IO-540 with Hartzell qualify as an approved
>>> combination, or is it not yet (or ever) "certified"?
>>>
>>>
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>>> TDT
>>> 40025
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| Subject: | Engine combination |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
> From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
> Date: 2006/02/17 Fri PM 07:47:56 PST
> You just fly off the 40 hours.
>
> If you modify the VANS plans on the airframe, you get the 40 hours as well.
The 25 hours vs. 40 might be an issue if you're in a hurry to get to OSH, but I
can say from flight testing my -7A, that it takes about 40 - 50 hours to get
all of your performance envelope testing, debugging and tweaking, systems calibrations,
etc. done. I got to the end of my flight test cards right at about
38 flight hours (which included things like testing power levels vs. performance
vs. indicated airspeed all the way up to 18,000 feet.) So there was a particularly
boring final test flight in the test area out over the SoCal desert where
I set the TruTrak with altitude hold, and just read a copy of EAA Sport Aviation
for a while!
Am expecting to get 25 hours on the -10 since it will have a "certfied" Lycoming
& Hartzell, but it really doesn't matter unless your DAR gives you too small
a box to fly it all off. The test area east of San Diego was great, since it
was about 75 nm by 50 nm -- lotsa space to play in.
-Dan Masys
#40448
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| Subject: | Ouch. That was hard! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
My wife and I just finished riveting the bottom outer wing skin on the left wing
today. Clecoing everything from the rear spar forward to the J stiffeners makes
the longest and most uncomfortable reach I've ever had for a riveting job.
Plus it amounted to about 350 blind bucking events -- a new record. It's a
good thing we had the experience of pounding about 18K rivets on the previous
plane. The whole thing was done by feel with a bit of after-the-fact inspection.
Even at that, it was hard to be sure the bucking bar was fully parallel
to the skin surface, and we got a few dings where the bar bounced and pushed out
from the inside of the wing. I kept remembering that the Apollo I astronauts
were killed by a wiring defect that resulted from a blind assembly, and NASA
hasn't allow that kind of construction ever since.
Still, it's nice to have the left wing closed at 275 total shop hours. On to the
right wing...
-Dan Masys
#40448
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
>
> From: "Robert G. Wright" <armywrights@adelphia.net>
> Date: 2006/02/17 Fri PM 08:16:53 PST
> I have no foam rib material left over for the emp tip fairings. Is there a
> something available locally that will work as the backing for glassing in
> the backside of the tips?
I got some 2 inch thick x 24 inch square foam from a local fabric shop and cut the outline of the tip ribs using a bandsaw. Then used the bandsaw to slice it in two so the foam was 1 inch thick (see picture at http://132.239.155.44/rv7a/tipfoam.jpg ). Worked well, particularly for the compound curve that is required on the HS tips. Glassed one layer of cloth over the foam, with a 1/8 inch flexible piece of wood wedged between the fairing and the elevator to keep a gap between them. Then removed the foam, added addition layers of cloth, and then used microballoon mixture to fill in the uneven areas on the fairing. Came out pretty well.
-Dan Masys
#40448
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| Subject: | Aileron Pushrod F-1064 Length |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Richard Reynolds <rvreynolds@macs.net>
RV-10/39-5 dwg shows F-1064 length of 12 5/8 in.
The material is furnished 13 1/8 in. Which length is correct?
Also is there a change in the length of the Pushrod Sleeve F-1064B
(1/2 in) ?
Richard Reynolds
RV-10
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| Subject: | Re: Ouch. That was hard! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
Dan,
I hear ya!!!! Closed the left wing with the help of a couple of
friends, finished the right side by myself. Happy that its done!
John Hasbrouck
#40264
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Pushrod F-1064 Length |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
In fact I have one that is 12 5/8" and one that is 13 1/8. I called
Vans and they said they were changing the length of the pushrod so you
do not need the sleeves. (I must have been right in the middle of the
switch). Just set the overall length to 14 7/8 center to center from
the rod end bearing.
Larry Rosen
http://lrosen.nerv10.com
Richard Reynolds wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Richard Reynolds <rvreynolds@macs.net>
>
> RV-10/39-5 dwg shows F-1064 length of 12 5/8 in.
>
> The material is furnished 13 1/8 in. Which length is correct?
>
> Also is there a change in the length of the Pushrod Sleeve F-1064B
> (1/2 in) ?
>
> Richard Reynolds
> RV-10
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Pushrod F-1064 Length |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Any idea why they needed the sleeves in the first place? I could
never figure out why they were there. Mine aren't tight or anything.
The nut is tight on the pushrod though.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Larry Rosen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>
> In fact I have one that is 12 5/8" and one that is 13 1/8. I called
> Vans and they said they were changing the length of the pushrod so you
> do not need the sleeves. (I must have been right in the middle of the
> switch). Just set the overall length to 14 7/8 center to center from
> the rod end bearing.
>
> Larry Rosen
> http://lrosen.nerv10.com
>
> Richard Reynolds wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Richard Reynolds <rvreynolds@macs.net>
>>
>> RV-10/39-5 dwg shows F-1064 length of 12 5/8 in.
>>
>> The material is furnished 13 1/8 in. Which length is correct?
>>
>> Also is there a change in the length of the Pushrod Sleeve F-1064B
>> (1/2 in) ?
>>
>> Richard Reynolds
>> RV-10
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Jim,
Sounds like reasonable idea to include a fan in the tunnel - how do you plan
to duct the source and exit air?
Marcus
40286
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JSMcGrew@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 11:49 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: defrosters
I asked Van's about a defrost system. Ken Scott told me that they have
computer fans mounted under the glareshield in the prototypes. I plan on
doing the same. I'm going to try putting one fan in the tunnel as well to
keep the temperature down in there.
Jim McGrew
40134
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| Subject: | Re: Ouch. That was hard! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris" <toaster73@earthlink.net>
Mirrors can check your work or boroscopes.
-Chris Lucas
#40072 headed for the bottom skins too.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Masys" <dmasys@cox.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 6:32 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Ouch. That was hard!
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
>
> My wife and I just finished riveting the bottom outer wing skin on the
> left wing today. Clecoing everything from the rear spar forward to the J
> stiffeners makes the longest and most uncomfortable reach I've ever had
> for a riveting job. Plus it amounted to about 350 blind bucking events --
> a new record. It's a good thing we had the experience of pounding about
> 18K rivets on the previous plane. The whole thing was done by feel with a
> bit of after-the-fact inspection. Even at that, it was hard to be sure
> the bucking bar was fully parallel to the skin surface, and we got a few
> dings where the bar bounced and pushed out from the inside of the wing. I
> kept remembering that the Apollo I astronauts were killed by a wiring
> defect that resulted from a blind assembly, and NASA hasn't allow that
> kind of construction ever since.
>
> Still, it's nice to have the left wing closed at 275 total shop hours. On
> to the right wing...
>
> -Dan Masys
> #40448
>
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Why not just duct it up to the defrost exit? Accomplish two things with
one fan!
-Sean #40303
Marcus Cooper wrote:
>
> Jim,
>
> Sounds like reasonable idea to include a fan in the tunnel how do
> you plan to duct the source and exit air?
>
> Marcus
>
> 40286
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *JSMcGrew@aol.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 18, 2006 11:49 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Re: defrosters
>
> I asked Van's about a defrost system. Ken Scott told me that they have
> computer fans mounted under the glareshield in the prototypes. I plan
> on doing the same. I'm going to try putting one fan in the tunnel as
> well to keep the temperature down in there.
>
> Jim McGrew
>
> 40134
>
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