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1. 01:23 AM - Re: Pro Seal Slop (Chris , Susie Darcy)
2. 08:03 AM - Re: RV10-List Digest: 20 Msgs - 06/02/06 (Hans Conser)
3. 08:57 AM - RV-10 Wiki (Sean Stephens)
4. 09:22 AM - Re: PDX area builders (Paul Grimstad)
5. 03:40 PM - Rear seat vs dual zone front heat (Chris Hukill)
6. 03:40 PM - Rear seat vs dual zone front heat (Chris Hukill)
7. 04:54 PM - List Enclosure Support (Matt Dralle)
8. 04:58 PM - Re: Rear seat vs dual zone front heat (Jesse Saint)
9. 05:59 PM - Re: Today's X/C To Black Hills (jerry petersen)
10. 07:02 PM - Re: Today's X/C To Black Hills (Marcus Cooper)
11. 08:01 PM - Re: Today's X/C To Black Hills (Patrick Thyssen)
12. 08:08 PM - Second sub-kit recommendations> (jdalton77)
13. 08:36 PM - Tricks for inserting long hinge rods (jdalton77)
14. 08:57 PM - Re: Second sub-kit recommendations> (Scott Lewis)
15. 09:05 PM - Re: Today's X/C To Black Hills (Tim Olson)
16. 09:09 PM - Re: Today's X/C To Black Hills (Tim Olson)
17. 09:12 PM - Re: Second sub-kit recommendations> (Deems Davis)
18. 09:36 PM - Re: Today's X/C To Black Hills (Tim Olson)
19. 10:28 PM - Re: Tricks for inserting long hinge rods (Rick)
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| Subject: | Re: Pro Seal Slop |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie Darcy" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
You do not have a problem at all ,,,,on my 6 I had about 5 times more
proseal than that.....I was paranoid abot leaks so dont stress. If anything
people can put not enough on!
regards Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Carpenter" <jeff@westcottpress.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 9:35 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Pro Seal Slop
> Hindsight being what it is...
>
> I don't think I've done enough masking on my first fuel tank, and now
> have bits of pro seal along the non-mating edges. To what extent
> have those of you past this point cleaned it up... and what are the
> concerns about it breaking off and plugging up the fuel system?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
> Awash in Pro Seal and acetone
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV10-List Digest: 20 Msgs - 06/02/06 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Hans Conser <hansconser@gmail.com>
Tim wrote:
>>
>> Not sure, but *possibly* taking the family to KCOD to see Yellowstone
>> for Saturday and Sunday this weekend. Since the RV-10 brings it
>> down to a short 5.5 hr trip. Any good comments about the
>> area/airstrip/lodging/weather this time of year?
>> Tim
Tim, I highly recommend Driggs Idaho (DIJ) for a food stop. It has the
nicest FBO and onfield restaurant for a little airport that I have ever
seen. I just flew over Yellowstone and had lunch there about three
weeks ago. I have heard that people actually drive from Jackson Hole
to come to the restaurant. There is also a small (and free) plane
museum with a handful of neat planes and a helicopter on display. If
you are into health food, there is a healthly food restaurant in Driggs
called "Miso Hungry" that is pretty good. There are loaner cars
available.
Hans Conser
172 flier
Bozeman MT
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In 60 days the RV-10 Wiki (http://www.rv10wiki.com) will be retired.
The domain registration is up for renewal and it never received the
input from builders that I thought it would. No problem. As you all
know, Matt has recently created a Matronics Wiki. (http://
wiki.matronics.com) If anyone is interested in any info that is on
the current RV-10 wiki, I'd suggest they move it to the RV-10 section
on the new Matronics WIki.
Thanks,
-Sean #40303 (Closing Wings)
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: PDX area builders |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Paul Grimstad" <bldgrv10450@comcast.net>
Steve
I would be glad to show you my progress. You are probably way ahead of me. I
have the spray booth set up now. Nearly complete priming the tailcone now. I
have completed all the tailcone subassemblies (got board with priming) and
now I'm ready to put it together. Looking forward to starting the fuselage
in about a month.
Paul Grimstad, RV-10 #40450
call my cell: 503-849-2123 I'm working close to my shop
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darton Steve" <sfdarton@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 2:51 PM
Subject: RV10-List: PDX area builders
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Darton Steve <sfdarton@yahoo.com>
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> Any one in the Tigard Oregon area that would like to
> entertain a visit from a 10 builder? I have some time
> this evening or Saturday morning.
> Steve 40212
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| Subject: | Rear seat vs dual zone front heat |
As I install my tunnel components, it occurs to me that I don't think
I've ever been in a single engine airplane that has separate controlled
rear seat heat, but every time I fly with my significant other, she's
usually freezing if I'm comfortable, or I'm too hot when she's just
right. Has anyone besides myself considered having a separate left/right
front heat, and let the warm air find itself aft, like in most other
airplanes? This will solve my issue of separate zones, as well as the
rudder cable clearance issues, and the hot tunnel syndrome. Could you
folks with flying 10s let me know what your thoughts are? Thanks
Chris Hukill
Slowly working QB fuselage
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| Subject: | Rear seat vs dual zone front heat |
As I install my tunnel components, it occurs to me that I don't think
I've ever been in a single engine airplane that has separate controlled
rear seat heat, but every time I fly with my significant other, she's
usually freezing if I'm comfortable, or I'm too hot when she's just
right. Has anyone besides myself considered having a separate left/right
front heat, and let the warm air find itself aft, like in most other
airplanes? This will solve my issue of separate zones, as well as the
rudder cable clearance issues, and the hot tunnel syndrome. Could you
folks with flying 10s let me know what your thoughts are? Thanks
Chris Hukill
Slowly working QB fuselage
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| Subject: | List Enclosure Support |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Over the years, I have resisted the urge to enable enclosure support on the Matronics
Lists for a number of reasons relating to performance, capacity, capability,
and security. However, its now 2006 and most everyone using email these
days is on an email client that, at some level, supports the viewing and handling
of enclosures. I get a fair amount of email each month from people on the
various Lists asking why their posts of this or that picture didn't go through.
Back quite a while ago by popular request, I enabled enclosure support for a few
Lists such as the RV10-List, Kolb-List, and the Tailwind-List. Contrary to
my fears, there really hasn't been any significant issues on these Lists relating
to the advent of enclosure support and for the most part, members have policed
themselves well with respect to the size of things they have posted.
Having enclosures enabled on some Lists and not others has given me a fair amount
of headaches with respect to filtering messages and content since the formats
are often quite different between a typical MIME encoded message and a generic
plain-text message. The spammers are getting more cleaver all the time and
are constantly trying to thwart my best efforts at keeping them from posting
to the Lists.
So, for these reasons, I've have decided to go ahead and enable limited enclosure
posting on all of the email Lists at Matronics. This will not only increase
the utility of the Lists, but will afford me a better opportunity to filter
out the chaff.
Here are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the
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All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
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Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules could
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1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
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2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
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Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
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Look for the link "Image Resizer"
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Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | Rear seat vs dual zone front heat |
I personally would not do this. First of all, the tunnel issue should
have
nothing (or at lest very little) to do with the scat tube running aft.
When
the vent it closed, there would be no heat in that tube, yet the tunnel
temp
doesn=92t seem to change that much whether it is opened or closed.
Second, if
you are flying where this plane is most efficient, then you the front
seats
would have to be very hot before the back seats were comfortable.
Unless
you have a specific exit of air in the back that would =93suck=94 the
hot air
from the front, I don=92t think enough of it would make it back. This
may be
a common thing with most planes, but most planes that I have flown in
with
heat were not comfortable for both front and back seats when heat was
used.
I think you would have much more cross-flow of temp from right to left
than
front to back. One easy way to handle this would be to turn the heat up
to
where it is comfortable for the one who likes it hot, then the other
person
can open the fresh air vent a little to cool it down. The other option
would be to put another valve in to control the flow on the pilot=92s
side, so
the right front can get full heat and the left front can close off a
little
bit of it.
This is all IMHO.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint (waiting for the container with N415EC in it to arrive in
FL,
where engine and instruments will be waiting for it!)
I-TEC, Inc.
HYPERLINK "mailto:jesse@itecusa.org"jesse@itecusa.org
HYPERLINK "http://www.itecusa.org"www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hukill
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 6:37 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Rear seat vs dual zone front heat
As I install my tunnel components, it occurs to me that I don't think
I've
ever been in a single engine airplane that has separate controlled rear
seat
heat, but every time I fly with my significant other, she's usually
freezing
if I'm comfortable, or I'm too hot when she's just right. Has anyone
besides
myself considered having a separate left/right front heat, and let the
warm
air find itself aft, like in most other airplanes? This will solve my
issue
of separate zones, as well as the rudder cable clearance issues, and the
hot
tunnel syndrome. Could you folks with flying 10s let me know what your
thoughts are? Thanks
Chris Hukill
Slowly working QB fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Today's X/C To Black Hills |
--> RV10-List message posted by: jerry petersen <bldanrv9a@yahoo.com>
Tim,
Wish I had known you were in the Hills. Could of
hooked up, got another look at your 10 and if you had
time you could have taken a look at ours and given us
some tips. Hope you are having a great trip.
Jerry Petersen
--- Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Olson"
> <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Just got settled for the Night at our hotel in
> spearfish S.D.
> Did about 550 plus miles today.
>
> Tried my first shot at L.O.P.operation. How does
> 155-160kts cruise
> at 10.7 gph sound? Found that the engine ran
> cooler and was
> also smooth.
>
> Have more good news for when I have a PC with A
> keyboard. this is my
> tablet.
>
> Should be either at Yellowstone tomorrow, or
> touring around the black
> hills. -will be looking for crazy horse and
> Rushmore from
> the air.
>
> See ya.
>
> Tim - N104CD
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Today's X/C To Black Hills |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
Tim,
Great news about the LOP, I've done a lot of research and look forward to
using that method someday. One question, at what altitude did you achieve
these numbers?
Sounds like you're having a great trip, excellent motivation for the rest of
us.
Thanks,
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 10:35 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Today's X/C To Black Hills
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Just got settled for the Night at our hotel in spearfish S.D.
Did about 550 plus miles today.
Tried my first shot at L.O.P.operation. How does 155-160kts cruise
at 10.7 gph sound? Found that the engine ran cooler and was
also smooth.
Have more good news for when I have a PC with A keyboard. this is my
tablet.
Should be either at Yellowstone tomorrow, or touring around the black
hills. -will be looking for crazy horse and Rushmore from
the air.
See ya.
Tim - N104CD
do not archive
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| Subject: | Today's X/C To Black Hills |
Question, You have a 6 cyl egt system with the chilton right. So what was the difference
of temps on each cyl., were they say 50 degree of each other or 25.
Which peaked first and how was the others at that point. Did you have one that
was way out there not as high or low and what was the fuel flow difference?
thanks
Pat
Marcus Cooper <coop85@bellsouth.net> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper"
Tim,
Great news about the LOP, I've done a lot of research and look forward to
using that method someday. One question, at what altitude did you achieve
these numbers?
Sounds like you're having a great trip, excellent motivation for the rest of
us.
Thanks,
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 10:35 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Today's X/C To Black Hills
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Olson"
Just got settled for the Night at our hotel in spearfish S.D.
Did about 550 plus miles today.
Tried my first shot at L.O.P.operation. How does 155-160kts cruise
at 10.7 gph sound? Found that the engine ran cooler and was
also smooth.
Have more good news for when I have a PC with A keyboard. this is my
tablet.
Should be either at Yellowstone tomorrow, or touring around the black
hills. -will be looking for crazy horse and Rushmore from
the air.
See ya.
Tim - N104CD
do not archive
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| Subject: | Second sub-kit recommendations> |
Greetings,
I'm closing in on completing the tail kit for our -10 and am getting
ready to order the next subkit?
I was planning on getting the wings (all slo-build) but now am leaning
towards to fuse kit.
Any suggestions on which would be better?
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| Subject: | Tricks for inserting long hinge rods |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "jdalton77" <jdalton77@comcast.net>
Anyone have any tricks for inserting the long hinge rod that attaches the
trim tab to the elevators? I'm done with the first elevator but had a heck
of a time getting the rod in to connect the two parts.
Anyone do anything to make it easier?
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| Subject: | Re: Second sub-kit recommendations> |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Scott Lewis <rv10@tpg.com.au>
G'day,
As someone who is mid-way through the wings I have only one thought to
offer; the spar centre section, which the fuse is built around, comes
with the wing kit.
Seeya,
Scott Lewis
RV-10 40172
Adelaide, South Australia
do not archive
jdalton77 wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I'm closing in on completing the tail kit for our -10 and am getting
> ready to order the next subkit?
>
> I was planning on getting the wings (all slo-build) but now am leaning
> towards to fuse kit.
>
> Any suggestions on which would be better?
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| Subject: | Today's X/C To Black Hills |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Hey! went to KCOD today @ 8500 ft
Got 9.5 to 9.7 gph
About 10.2K DA
155 kts TAs
Awesome!
Yellowstone for 2 Days.
havin fun. Tim
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
>
> Tim,
> Great news about the LOP, I've done a lot of research and look forward
> to
> using that method someday. One question, at what altitude did you achieve
> these numbers?
>
> Sounds like you're having a great trip, excellent motivation for the rest
> of
> us.
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 10:35 PM
> To: RV10-LiSt@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Today's X/C To Black Hills
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Just got settled for the Night at our hotel in spearfish S.D.
> Did about 550 plus miles today.
>
> Tried my first shot at L.O.P.operation. How does 155-160kts cruise
> at 10.7 gph sound? Found that the engine ran cooler and was
> also smooth.
>
> Have more good news for when I have a PC with A keyboard. this is my
> tablet.
>
> Should be either at Yellowstone tomorrow, or touring around the black
> hills. -will be looking for crazy horse and Rushmore from
> the air.
>
> See ya.
>
> Tim - N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Today's X/C To Black Hills |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
All are about within 50 Deg. or maybe better-
4 and 6 seem highest After peak.
Leaned to 50 LOP min today and put one to
Closer to 100
Chelton has nice indication of tempS
More to come.... I need a keyboard!
> Question, You have a 6 cyl egt system with the chilton right. So what was
> the difference of temps on each cyl., were they say 50 degree of each
> other or 25. Which peaked first and how was the others at that point. Did
> you have one that was way out there not as high or low and what was the
> fuel flow difference?
>
> thanks
> Pat
>
> Marcus Cooper <coop85@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper"
>
> Tim,
> Great news about the LOP, I've done a lot of research and look forward to
> using that method someday. One question, at what altitude did you achieve
> these numbers?
>
> Sounds like you're having a great trip, excellent motivation for the rest
> of
> us.
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 10:35 PM
> To: RV10-LiSt@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Today's X/C To Black Hills
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Olson"
>
> Just got settled for the Night at our hotel in spearfish S.D.
> Did about 550 plus miles today.
>
> Tried my first shot at L.O.P.operation. How does 155-160kts cruise
> at 10.7 gph sound? Found that the engine ran cooler and was
> also smooth.
>
> Have more good news for when I have a PC with A keyboard. this is my
> tablet.
>
> Should be either at Yellowstone tomorrow, or touring around the black
> hills. -will be looking for crazy horse and Rushmore from
> the air.
>
> See ya.
>
> Tim - N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Second sub-kit recommendations> |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
There are some trade-offs. The wings are just plain BORING! And then you
have to do 2 of everything! There's nothing too complicated in the
wings, and the fact that you build 2 of everything gives you some
'experience' to leverage the second part. The Tanks and the ProSeal are
messy (REALLY MESSY) but pay me now or pay me later if your going Slo-build
On the other hand, the fuse plans are not as clearly written, and as
others have mentioned they assume you know that you should match drill,
deburr, and dimple parts, and they don't explicitly call out all of
these steps all of the time. The Fuse plans appear to hve been written
by different authors for different sections, some adaptation to their
style/language is required. The Fuse is more Fun IMO, because it
constantly 'grows' and you get some positive feedback as you complete
sections and steps.
On the other hand, by the time you get to the Fuse you should have your
riveting skills pretty well honed. coming off of the Empenage, I felt
good about my riveting, but after completing the Wings, I felt much
better. There are a fair # of AN470-4 rivets in the Fuse and you need to
be/get comfortable with these.
The Center Section of the wing spar is critical to the Fuse build, I
don't know if they would ship you just the center section (as these are
matched with the wing spars). Or if they would require you to purchase
the entire wing spar kit w/ the Fuse.
When you get to the Fuse you start to have to begin to make several
decisions, engine type, cowl, electrical system, prop, panel and
contents, seats, etc. Many of these decisions carry some healthy price
tags with them. If you want to delay the $ outlay that would favor
building the wings 1st. As the decisions that accompany them are
'relatively' minor.
Just my thoughts I'm sure there are other views as well.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
jdalton77 wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I'm closing in on completing the tail kit for our -10 and am getting
> ready to order the next subkit?
>
> I was planning on getting the wings (all slo-build) but now am leaning
> towards to fuse kit.
>
> Any suggestions on which would be better?
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Slightly point and round the end of the rod prior to inserting. It should go right
in, don't forget to drill the safety wire hole.
Rick S.
40185
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