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1. 06:35 AM - Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib FW: Re: [RV10] Help with aileron rigging (todd agold)
2. 06:57 AM - Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib (Tim Olson)
3. 07:53 AM - Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib (Mark Ritter)
4. 08:47 AM - Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib (James K Hovis)
5. 09:26 AM - Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib (todd agold)
6. 09:56 AM - Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib (Jeff Carpenter)
7. 09:58 AM - Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib (James K Hovis)
8. 10:47 AM - Re: Here I go again - console finished (Robin Marks)
9. 10:47 AM - RV-10 Builders List / RV-10's to OSH / RV-10 Parking-Camping (Tim Olson)
10. 10:53 AM - Re: Here I go again - console finished (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
11. 11:10 AM - Re: Here I go again - console finished (Deems Davis)
12. 11:16 AM - Re: RV-10 Builders List / RV-10's to OSH / RV-10 Parking-Camping (Deems Davis)
13. 11:22 AM - Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib (Rick)
14. 11:23 AM - Re: Here I go again - console finished (Rick)
15. 11:26 AM - Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib (Rick)
16. 11:28 AM - Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib (Rick)
17. 11:31 AM - Re: Here I go again - console finished (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
18. 11:43 AM - Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib (Gary Specketer)
19. 11:49 AM - Re: RV-10 Builders List / RV-10's to OSH / RV-10 Parking-Camping (Tim Olson)
20. 11:49 AM - Re: Here I go again - console finished (Rick)
21. 11:51 AM - Re: AL Center Console (Sean Stephens)
22. 11:51 AM - Re: RV-10 Builders List / RV-10's to OSH / RV-10 Parking-Camping (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
23. 11:57 AM - Re: RV-10 Builders List / RV-10's to OSH / RV-10 Parking-Camping (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
24. 12:00 PM - Re: Here I go again - console finished (Deems Davis)
25. 12:18 PM - B&C SD-20 and Oil Filter Adapter Update (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
26. 12:23 PM - Re: consoles (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
27. 12:25 PM - Re: B&C SD-20 and Oil Filter Adapter Update (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
28. 12:48 PM - Re: Here I go again - console finished (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
29. 12:51 PM - Re: Re: consoles (John Jessen)
30. 12:51 PM - Re: Re: consoles (Tim Olson)
31. 12:52 PM - Re: Here I go again - console finished (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
32. 01:00 PM - Re: Here I go again - console finished (Rick)
33. 01:05 PM - Re: B&C SD-20 and Oil Filter Adapter Update (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
34. 01:11 PM - Re: B&C SD-20 and Oil Filter Adapter Update (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
35. 01:34 PM - Re: Here I go again - console finished (Deems Davis)
36. 01:37 PM - Re: Here I go again - console finished (Deems Davis)
37. 02:08 PM - Re: Here I go again - console finished (Tim Olson)
38. 02:17 PM - Re: Here I go again - console finished (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
39. 02:25 PM - Re: Re: consoles (Sean Stephens)
40. 02:29 PM - Re: Re: consoles (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
41. 04:17 PM - Re: RV-10 Builders List / RV-10's to OSH / RV-10 Parking-Camping (John W. Cox)
42. 04:20 PM - Re: RV-10 Builders List / RV-10's to OSH / RV-10 Parking-Camping (John W. Cox)
43. 04:27 PM - Re: Here I go again - console finished (John W. Cox)
44. 04:57 PM - Re: Re: consoles (Sean Stephens)
45. 04:57 PM - Re: Re: consoles (Robin Marks)
46. 05:14 PM - Re: Re: consoles ()
47. 05:28 PM - Re: RV-10 Builders List / RV-10's to OSH / RV-10 Parking-Camping (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
48. 05:58 PM - Re: RV-10 Builders List / RV-10's to OSH / RV-10 Parking-Camping (Tim Olson)
49. 06:07 PM - Re: RV-10 Builders List / RV-10's to OSH / RV-10 Parking-Camping (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
50. 07:12 PM - Re: Flap position sensor (GenGrumpy@aol.com)
51. 07:37 PM - Re: RV-10 Builders List / RV-10's to OSH / RV-10 (Rick)
52. 07:38 PM - Re: Here I go again - console finished (Rick)
53. 07:43 PM - Instruments for Sale (Mike Kraus)
54. 07:56 PM - Re: RV-10 Builders List / RV-10's to OSH / RV-10 (Richard Sipp)
55. 08:32 PM - Re: RV-10 Builders List / RV-10's to OSH / RV-10 (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
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| Subject: | Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib |
FW: RV10-List: Re: [RV10] Help with aileron rigging
Thanks all for the replies. It made the most sense to me to flatten the bead in
the interfering area. I tried it last night and all turned out well.
Thanks again.
Todd
#362
"Robert G. Wright" <armywrights@adelphia.net> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert G. Wright"
Todd,
I think this is the message from the old Yahoo list that Rick S. was
referring to earlier.
Um, personal archive for a lot of this stuff, but this one should be in the
matronics archives as well.
Rob Wright
#392
QB Wings
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:13 AM
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw"
I think what actually happens is that the opposite side aileron hits before
the one rod hits. I started to relieve the extra material before I came up
with the revelation. I decided to stop messing with it and wait till both
wings are on. Randy
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 6:52 AM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
If my memory doesn't escape too far, I think I remember posts last
year about this subject, and possibly remember Randy telling me that
yes, people ended up enlarging the hole. My wings are all together,
and I've connected the ailerons temporarily. I should be able to test
for the rubbing at full deflection. At this point, since it's not
painted, just primed, if it hits I'll just be filing it larger,
deburring the hole, and re-priming. Not too big a deal. I used
temporary hardware to connect it.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
PJ wrote:
>
>
> I just finished rigging the aileron on my right wing. When I was
> finished, I noticed that at full up deflection, the aileron doesn't
> hit the stop on the aileron hinge bracket. Right before it gets
> there, the aileron to bellcrank pushrod binds up on the edge of the
> hole in the rear spar. Same thing at full down; it binds against the
> side of the hole before the nose of the aileron hits the gap fairing.
> I double checked twice to make sure everything was adjusted properly
> at neutral.
>
> I can't imagine the ailerons ever being deflected that much during
> flight, but I also don't want my pushrod rubbing against the rear spar
> either. Is this normal, or do I need to take it all apart and enlarge
> the hole? Or is there something else I'm missing?
>
> Thanks,
> PJ
> 40032
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I remembered from seeing Rob's old repost a bit more on this
spot. I think it touches, but once you have the ailerons
hooked up, you can't get that much travel out of it
anymore, so then it no longer rubs. So for those who are
looking at this and worrying about it, you may want to wait
until you attach your ailerons. I don't think I ended up having
to bend mine in, but I also don't think they rub. If someone
else had a different experience, please post to disagree, but
if someone had the same experience, it would be nice to hear
that this is valid...just in case.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
todd agold wrote:
> Thanks all for the replies. It made the most sense to me to flatten the
> bead in the interfering area. I tried it last night and all turned out
> well.
>
> Thanks again.
> Todd
> #362
>
> */"Robert G. Wright" <armywrights@adelphia.net>/* wrote:
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert G. Wright"
>
> Todd,
>
> I think this is the message from the old Yahoo list that Rick S. was
> referring to earlier.
>
> Um, personal archive for a lot of this stuff, but this one should be
> in the
> matronics archives as well.
>
> Rob Wright
> #392
> QB Wings
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:13 AM
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw"
>
> I think what actually happens is that the opposite side aileron hits
> before
> the one rod hits. I started to relieve the extra material before I
> came up
> with the revelation. I decided to stop messing with it and wait till
> both
> wings are on. Randy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 6:52 AM
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
>
> If my memory doesn't escape too far, I think I remember posts last
> year about this subject, and possibly remember Randy telling me that
> yes, people ended up enlarging the hole. My wings are all together,
> and I've connected the ailerons temporarily. I should be able to test
> for the rubbing at full deflection. At this point, since it's not
> painted, just primed, if it hits I'll just be filing it larger,
> deburring the hole, and re-priming. Not too big a deal. I used
> temporary hardware to connect it.
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
>
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> PJ wrote:
> >
> >
> > I just finished rigging the aileron on my right wing. When I was
> > finished, I noticed that at full up deflection, the aileron doesn't
> > hit the stop on the aileron hinge bracket. Right before it gets
> > there, the aileron to bellcrank pushrod binds up on the edge of the
> > hole in the rear spar. Same thing at full down; it binds against the
> > side of the hole before the nose of the aileron hits the gap fairing.
> > I double checked twice to make sure everything was adjusted properly
> > at neutral.
> >
> > I can't imagine the ailerons ever being deflected that much during
> > flight, but I also don't want my pushrod rubbing against the rear
> spar
> > either. Is this normal, or do I need to take it all apart and enlarge
> > the hole? Or is there something Get on board. You're invited
> <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=40791/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/handraisers>
> to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
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| Subject: | Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib |
Hello all,
First off, I've been lurking on this list for a few weeks to get a feel of
what's going on with building an RV-10 since I've decided this airplane will
fit my requirements. I'm still a few months away from actually ordering a
kit ( other issues need to be worked on, especially final approval from the
household finance minister!). And while lurking I've thought about giving
some opinion about a few of these issues and this discussion seems a pretty
good place to start. Let me give you my bonafides first. I work for a rather
large midwestern producer of military aircraft (guess who!) as a structural
design engineer specializing in production support for 17 years. Dealing
with problems associated with aircraft assembly is my profession. I've held
a private pilot's license since 1989 and owned a Grumman AA-1A for nearly
nine years. However, I've only been flying very intermittently since selling
my airplane a few years ago. This is why the RV-10 looks really attractive
to me, good design, easy (relative) building and four seats for the whole
family (wife and two girls now 11 and 6) for those trips we could make by
air.
Now about this problem: It is my opinion that if at all possible do not
flatten or trim the stiffening bead around the cutout in the inboard closure
rib. Looking at the figure sent, it appears that the issue is that the
outside of the bent section of the W-1029C angle rides on the initial bend
radius of the W-1010R rib when located to the matched holes in the rib.
First off, the stiffening bead is there so that the rib will not buckle
under the maximum shear load seen by the rib. It may seem counter-intuitive,
but a rib such as this can actually take a higher shear load with the
cutouts and stiffening beads than if the rib had a solid web. If it is
absolutely necessary to flatten or trim the bead off for clearance, then it
is best to add a stiffening doubler to the opposite side of the rib to help
keep the rib from buckling locally.
However, looking at the picture, I'm not sure there is a need to "adjust"
this bead. I have to ask some questions (and since I don't have an airplane
to look at either) about the rib. Does the bead bend convex inboard or
outboard of the web? And since the picture doesn't give me orientation, is
the torque tube support assy installed on the inboard or outboard side.
Also, are the left hand and right hand closure ribs identical or are they
mirror images of each other? It seems to me that if the beads convex
outboard and the bracket assy is installed to the inboard surface, there
should be no interference. The only issue you'd have is an "overhang" which
structurally isn't an issue as long as the heads and tails of the MS20470
rivets attaching the bracket doesn't ride in the bead radius. And if the two
ribs are mirror images, your problem could be a mis-identified or mis-formed
rib. Swapping left for right might solve the problem, but hole alignments to
skins and spars may be off.
While the typical aircraft design is rather robust and can stand some
deviation from design ideal, too much alteration without checking with the
factory or other professional could be a bad thing. Fully flattening rib
stiffening beads qualifies as a major alteration to me.
James K. Hovis
On 7/11/06, Mark Ritter <mritter509@msn.com> wrote:
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Ritter"
>
> My experience is the same as Tim's - once on the wing my ailerons do not
> rub.
>
> Mark (40043)
>
> ------------------------------
> From: *Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>*
> To: *rv10-list@matronics.com*
> Subject: *Re: RV10-List: torque tube support attach to wing root rib*
> Date: *Tue, 11 Jul 2006 08:55:53 -0500*
>
>
> >--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> >
> >I remembered from seeing Rob's old repost a bit more on this
> >spot. I think it touches, but once you have the ailerons
> >hooked up, you can't get that much travel out of it
> >anymore, so then it no longer rubs. So for those who are
> >looking at this and worrying about it, you may want to wait
> >until you attach your ailerons. I don't think I ended up having
> >to bend mine in, but I also don't think they rub. If someone
> >else had a different experience, please post to disagree, but
> >if someone had the same experience, it would be nice to hear
> >that this is valid...just in case.
> >
> >Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> >do not archive
> >
> >
> >todd agold wrote:
> >>Thanks all for the replies. It made the most sense to me to
> >>flatten the bead in the interfering area. I tried it last night
> >>and all turned out well.
> >> Thanks again.
> >>Todd
> >>#362
> >>
> >>*/"Robert G. Wright" <armywrights@adelphia.net>/* wrote:
> >>
> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert G. Wright"
> >>
> >> Todd,
> >>
> >> I think this is the message from the old Yahoo list that Rick
> >>S. was
> >> referring to earlier.
> >>
> >> Um, personal archive for a lot of this stuff, but this one
> >>should be
> >> in the
> >> matronics archives as well.
> >>
> >> Rob Wright
> >> #392
> >> QB Wings
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> >>Randy DeBauw
> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:13 AM
> >>
> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw"
> >>
> >> I think what actually happens is that the opposite side
> >>aileron hits
> >> before
> >> the one rod hits. I started to relieve the extra material
> >>before I
> >> came up
> >> with the revelation. I decided to stop messing with it and
> >>wait till
> >> both
> >> wings are on. Randy
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim
> >>Olson
> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 6:52 AM
> >>
> >>
> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
> >>
> >> If my memory doesn't escape too far, I think I remember posts
> >>last
> >> year about this subject, and possibly remember Randy telling
> >>me that
> >> yes, people ended up enlarging the hole. My wings are all
> >>together,
> >> and I've connected the ailerons temporarily. I should be able
> >>to test
> >> for the rubbing at full deflection. At this point, since it's
> >>not
> >> painted, just primed, if it hits I'll just be filing it
> >>larger,
> >> deburring the hole, and re-priming. Not too big a deal. I used
> >> temporary hardware to connect it.
> >>
> >> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> >>
> >>
> >> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >>
> >>
> >> PJ wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I just finished rigging the aileron on my right wing. When
> >>I was
> >> > finished, I noticed that at full up deflection, the aileron
> >>doesn't
> >> > hit the stop on the aileron hinge bracket. Right before it
> >>gets
> >> > there, the aileron to bellcrank pushrod binds up on the
> >>edge of the
> >> > hole in the rear spar. Same thing at full down; it binds
> >>against the
> >> > side of the hole before the nose of the aileron hits the
> >>gap fairing.
> >> > I double checked twice to make sure everything was adjusted
> >>properly
> >> > at neutral.
> >> >
> >> > I can't imagine the ailerons ever being deflected that much
> >>during
> >> > flight, but I also don't want my pushrod rubbing against
> >>the rear
> >> spar
> >> > either. Is this normal, or do I need to take it all apart
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib |
James,
I sent Van's an email and got back a reply to flatten the bead. I understand
you concerns, but hopefully the following answers to your questions will clarify
the issue.
Does the bead bend convex inboard or outboard of the web? - Convex. The bead
is on the same side as the flange.
is the torque tube support assy installed on the inboard or outboard side. Inboard.
The flange also faces inboard.
Also, are the left hand and right hand closure ribs identical or are they mirror
images of each other? -Mirror images
, your problem could be a mis-identified or mis-formed rib. -The edge of the
lightening hole doesn't exactly line up with the line of holes for the stiffening
angle.
Swapping left for right might solve the problem, Can't do that. Nothing will
line up and I don't think it could even be assembled that way.
Once the torque tube support is installed, the rib is MUCH stiffer that with
the bead. I only flattened the portion of the bead that interfered.
Todd #362
James K Hovis <james.k.hovis@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all,
First off, I've been lurking on this list for a few weeks to get a feel of
what's going on with building an RV-10 since I've decided this airplane will fit
my requirements. I'm still a few months away from actually ordering a kit (
other issues need to be worked on, especially final approval from the household
finance minister!). And while lurking I've thought about giving some opinion
about a few of these issues and this discussion seems a pretty good place to
start. Let me give you my bonafides first. I work for a rather large midwestern
producer of military aircraft (guess who!) as a structural design engineer
specializing in production support for 17 years. Dealing with problems associated
with aircraft assembly is my profession. I've held a private pilot's license
since 1989 and owned a Grumman AA-1A for nearly nine years. However, I've only
been flying very intermittently since selling my airplane a few years ago.
This is why the RV-10 looks really attractive to
me, good design, easy (relative) building and four seats for the whole family
(wife and two girls now 11 and 6) for those trips we could make by air.
Now about this problem: It is my opinion that if at all possible do not flatten
or trim the stiffening bead around the cutout in the inboard closure rib. Looking
at the figure sent, it appears that the issue is that the outside of the
bent section of the W-1029C angle rides on the initial bend radius of the W-1010R
rib when located to the matched holes in the rib. First off, the stiffening
bead is there so that the rib will not buckle under the maximum shear load
seen by the rib. It may seem counter-intuitive, but a rib such as this can actually
take a higher shear load with the cutouts and stiffening beads than if
the rib had a solid web. If it is absolutely necessary to flatten or trim the
bead off for clearance, then it is best to add a stiffening doubler to the opposite
side of the rib to help keep the rib from buckling locally.
However, looking at the picture, I'm not sure there is a need to "adjust" this
bead. I have to ask some questions (and since I don't have an airplane to look
at either) about the rib. Does the bead bend convex inboard or outboard of
the web? And since the picture doesn't give me orientation, is the torque tube
support assy installed on the inboard or outboard side. Also, are the left hand
and right hand closure ribs identical or are they mirror images of each other?
It seems to me that if the beads convex outboard and the bracket assy is installed
to the inboard surface, there should be no interference. The only issue
you'd have is an "overhang" which structurally isn't an issue as long as the
heads and tails of the MS20470 rivets attaching the bracket doesn't ride in
the bead radius. And if the two ribs are mirror images, your problem could be
a mis-identified or mis-formed rib. Swapping left for right might solve the problem,
but hole alignments to skins and spars may
be off.
While the typical aircraft design is rather robust and can stand some deviation
from design ideal, too much alteration without checking with the factory or
other professional could be a bad thing. Fully flattening rib stiffening beads
qualifies as a major alteration to me.
James K. Hovis
On 7/11/06, Mark Ritter <mritter509@msn.com> wrote: --> RV10-List message
posted by: "Mark Ritter" My experience is the same as Tim's - once on the
wing my ailerons do not rub.
Mark (40043)
---------------------------------
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com >
>
>I remembered from seeing Rob's old repost a bit more on this
>spot. I think it touches, but once you have the ailerons
>hooked up, you can't get that much travel out of it
>anymore, so then it no longer rubs. So for those who are
>looking at this and worrying about it, you may want to wait
>until you attach your ailerons. I don't think I ended up having
>to bend mine in, but I also don't think they rub. If someone
>else had a different experience, please post to disagree, but
>if someone had the same experience, it would be nice to hear
>that this is valid...just in case.
>
>Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>do not archive
>
>
>todd agold wrote:
>>Thanks all for the replies. It made the most sense to me to
>>flatten the bead in the interfering area. I tried it last night
>>and all turned out well.
>> Thanks again.
>>Todd
>>#362
>>
>>*/"Robert G. Wright" <armywrights@adelphia.net>/* wrote:
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert G. Wright"
>>
>> Todd,
>>
>> I think this is the message from the old Yahoo list that Rick
>>S. was
>> referring to earlier.
>>
>> Um, personal archive for a lot of this stuff, but this one
>>should be
>> in the
>> matronics archives as well.
>>
>> Rob Wright
>> #392
>> QB Wings
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> [mailto: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>Randy DeBauw
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:13 AM
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw"
>>
>> I think what actually happens is that the opposite side
>>aileron hits
>> before
>> the one rod hits. I started to relieve the extra material
>>before I
>> came up
>> with the revelation. I decided to stop messing with it and
>>wait till
>> both
>> wings are on. Randy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim
>>Olson
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 6:52 AM
>>
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
>>
>> If my memory doesn't escape too far, I think I remember posts
>>last
>> year about this subject, and possibly remember Randy telling
>>me that
>> yes, people ended up enlarging the hole. My wings are all
>>together,
>> and I've connected the ailerons temporarily. I should be able
>>to test
>> for the rubbing at full deflection. At this point, since it's
>>not
>> painted, just primed, if it hits I'll just be filing it
>>larger,
>> deburring the hole, and re-priming. Not too big a deal. I used
>> temporary hardware to connect it.
>>
>> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
>>
>>
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>> PJ wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > I just finished rigging the aileron on my right wing. When
>>I was
>> > finished, I noticed that at full up deflection, the aileron
>>doesn't
>> > hit the stop on the aileron hinge bracket. Right before it
>>gets
>> > there, the aileron to bellcrank pushrod binds up on the
>>edge of the
>> > hole in the rear spar. Same thing at full down; it binds
>>against the
>> > side of the hole before the nose of the aileron hits the
>>gap fairing.
>> > I double checked twice to make sure everything was adjusted
>>properly
>> > at neutral.
>> >
>> > I can't imagine the ailerons ever being deflected that much
>>during
>> > flight, but I also don't want my pushrod rubbing against
>>the rear
>> spar
>> > either. Is this normal, or do I need to take it all apart
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Welcome James!
I think the list quality (already quite excellent) just went up
another notch.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
N410CF
"Why does the right side always come out better than the left?"
Do Not Archive.
On Jul 11, 2006, at 8:45 AM, James K Hovis wrote:
> Hello all,
> First off, I've been lurking on this list for a few weeks to get
> a feel of what's going on with building an RV-10 since I've decided
> this airplane will fit my requirements. I'm still a few months away
> from actually ordering a kit ( other issues need to be worked on,
> especially final approval from the household finance minister!).
> And while lurking I've thought about giving some opinion about a
> few of these issues and this discussion seems a pretty good place
> to start. Let me give you my bonafides first. I work for a rather
> large midwestern producer of military aircraft (guess who!) as a
> structural design engineer specializing in production support for
> 17 years. Dealing with problems associated with aircraft assembly
> is my profession. I've held a private pilot's license since 1989
> and owned a Grumman AA-1A for nearly nine years. However, I've only
> been flying very intermittently since selling my airplane a few
> years ago. This is why the RV-10 looks really attractive to me,
> good design, easy (relative) building and four seats for the whole
> family (wife and two girls now 11 and 6) for those trips we could
> make by air.
>
> Now about this problem: It is my opinion that if at all possible do
> not flatten or trim the stiffening bead around the cutout in the
> inboard closure rib. Looking at the figure sent, it appears that
> the issue is that the outside of the bent section of the W-1029C
> angle rides on the initial bend radius of the W-1010R rib when
> located to the matched holes in the rib. First off, the stiffening
> bead is there so that the rib will not buckle under the maximum
> shear load seen by the rib. It may seem counter-intuitive, but a
> rib such as this can actually take a higher shear load with the
> cutouts and stiffening beads than if the rib had a solid web. If it
> is absolutely necessary to flatten or trim the bead off for
> clearance, then it is best to add a stiffening doubler to the
> opposite side of the rib to help keep the rib from buckling locally.
>
> However, looking at the picture, I'm not sure there is a need to
> "adjust" this bead. I have to ask some questions (and since I don't
> have an airplane to look at either) about the rib. Does the bead
> bend convex inboard or outboard of the web? And since the picture
> doesn't give me orientation, is the torque tube support assy
> installed on the inboard or outboard side. Also, are the left hand
> and right hand closure ribs identical or are they mirror images of
> each other? It seems to me that if the beads convex outboard and
> the bracket assy is installed to the inboard surface, there should
> be no interference. The only issue you'd have is an "overhang"
> which structurally isn't an issue as long as the heads and tails of
> the MS20470 rivets attaching the bracket doesn't ride in the bead
> radius. And if the two ribs are mirror images, your problem could
> be a mis-identified or mis-formed rib. Swapping left for right
> might solve the problem, but hole alignments to skins and spars may
> be off.
>
> While the typical aircraft design is rather robust and can stand
> some deviation from design ideal, too much alteration without
> checking with the factory or other professional could be a bad
> thing. Fully flattening rib stiffening beads qualifies as a major
> alteration to me.
>
> James K. Hovis
>
>
> On 7/11/06, Mark Ritter <mritter509@msn.com> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Ritter"
> My experience is the same as Tim's - once on the wing my ailerons
> do not rub.
>
> Mark (40043)
>
>
> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: torque tube support attach to wing root rib
> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 08:55:53 -0500
>
> >--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com >
> >
> >I remembered from seeing Rob's old repost a bit more on this
> >spot. I think it touches, but once you have the ailerons
> >hooked up, you can't get that much travel out of it
> >anymore, so then it no longer rubs. So for those who are
> >looking at this and worrying about it, you may want to wait
> >until you attach your ailerons. I don't think I ended up having
> >to bend mine in, but I also don't think they rub. If someone
> >else had a different experience, please post to disagree, but
> >if someone had the same experience, it would be nice to hear
> >that this is valid...just in case.
> >
> >Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> >do not archive
> >
> >
> >todd agold wrote:
> >>Thanks all for the replies. It made the most sense to me to
> >>flatten the bead in the interfering area. I tried it last night
> >>and all turned out well.
> >> Thanks again.
> >>Todd
> >>#362
> >>
> >>*/"Robert G. Wright" <armywrights@adelphia.net>/* wrote:
> >>
> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert G. Wright"
> >>
> >> Todd,
> >>
> >> I think this is the message from the old Yahoo list that Rick
> >>S. was
> >> referring to earlier.
> >>
> >> Um, personal archive for a lot of this stuff, but this one
> >>should be
> >> in the
> >> matronics archives as well.
> >>
> >> Rob Wright
> >> #392
> >> QB Wings
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> [mailto: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> >>Randy DeBauw
> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:13 AM
> >>
> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw"
> >>
> >> I think what actually happens is that the opposite side
> >>aileron hits
> >> before
> >> the one rod hits. I started to relieve the extra material
> >>before I
> >> came up
> >> with the revelation. I decided to stop messing with it and
> >>wait till
> >> both
> >> wings are on. Randy
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim
> >>Olson
> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 6:52 AM
> >>
> >>
> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
> >>
> >> If my memory doesn't escape too far, I think I remember posts
> >>last
> >> year about this subject, and possibly remember Randy telling
> >>me that
> >> yes, people ended up enlarging the hole. My wings are all
> >>together,
> >> and I've connected the ailerons temporarily. I should be able
> >>to test
> >> for the rubbing at full deflection. At this point, since it's
> >>not
> >> painted, just primed, if it hits I'll just be filing it
> >>larger,
> >> deburring the hole, and re-priming. Not too big a deal. I used
> >> temporary hardware to connect it.
> >>
> >> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> >>
> >>
> >> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >>
> >>
> >> PJ wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I just finished rigging the aileron on my right wing. When
> >>I was
> >> > finished, I noticed that at full up deflection, the aileron
> >>doesn't
> >> > hit the stop on the aileron hinge bracket. Right before it
> >>gets
> >> > there, the aileron to bellcrank pushrod binds up on the
> >>edge of the
> >> > hole in the rear spar. Same thing at full down; it binds
> >>against the
> >> > side of the hole before the nose of the aileron hits the
> >>gap fairing.
> >> > I double checked twice to make sure everything was adjusted
> >>properly
> >> > at neutral.
> >> >
> >> > I can't imagine the ailerons ever being deflected that much
> >>during
> >> > flight, but I also don't want my pushrod rubbing against
> >>the rear
> >> spar
> >> > either. Is this normal, or do I need to take it all apart
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| Subject: | Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib |
Thanks for the info! If the guys at Van's say to flatten the bead, then
flatten the bead. Seems that a simple solution for future kits is for Van's
to change the production process and swap the direction they apply the bead.
Yes, the angle itself will add stiffness to the rib after the bead is
flattened. And if only a portion is flattened, then you still have some of
the original intent to stiffen around the cutout being effective. However,
the support bracket is adding a shear load into the web and all things being
equal, the conservative engineer in me will tell you to add a doubler to the
opposite side. But, the loadings seen by each discreet part may not happen
at the same time. The maximum shear reacted by the rib from the wing skins
may not be at Va, it is most likely a walking load from a person on the
wing-walk area since this is a closure rib and the support bracket sees its
maximum load in the unlikely event of a control jam. Since Van's looked at
the problem I'd go with their recommendation.
JKH
On 7/11/06, todd agold <t_agold@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> James,
>
> I sent Van's an email and got back a reply to flatten the bead. I
> understand you concerns, but hopefully the following answers to your
> questions will clarify the issue.
>
> Does the bead bend convex inboard or outboard of the web? *- Convex. The
> bead is on the same side as the flange.*
>
> is the torque tube support assy installed on the inboard or outboard side.
> *Inboard. The flange also faces inboard.*
>
> Also, are the left hand and right hand closure ribs identical or are they
> mirror images of each other? *-Mirror images*
>
> , your problem could be a mis-identified or mis-formed rib. *-The edge of
> the lightening hole doesn't exactly line up with the line of holes for the
> stiffening angle.*
>
> Swapping left for right might solve the problem, *Can't do that. Nothing
> will line up and I don't think it could even be assembled that way.*
>
> *Once the torque tube support is installed, the rib is MUCH stiffer that
> with the bead. I only flattened the portion of the bead that interfered.
> *
>
> *Todd #362*
>
> *James K Hovis <james.k.hovis@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> Hello all,
> First off, I've been lurking on this list for a few weeks to get a feel
> of what's going on with building an RV-10 since I've decided this airplane
> will fit my requirements. I'm still a few months away from actually ordering
> a kit ( other issues need to be worked on, especially final approval from
> the household finance minister!). And while lurking I've thought about
> giving some opinion about a few of these issues and this discussion seems a
> pretty good place to start. Let me give you my bonafides first. I work for a
> rather large midwestern producer of military aircraft (guess who!) as a
> structural design engineer specializing in production support for 17 years.
> Dealing with problems associated with aircraft assembly is my profession.
> I've held a private pilot's license since 1989 and owned a Grumman AA-1A for
> nearly nine years. However, I've only been flying very intermittently since
> selling my airplane a few years ago. This is why the RV-10 looks really
> attractive to me, good design, easy (relative) building and four seats for
> the whole family (wife and two girls now 11 and 6) for those trips we could
> make by air.
>
> Now about this problem: It is my opinion that if at all possible do not
> flatten or trim the stiffening bead around the cutout in the inboard closure
> rib. Looking at the figure sent, it appears that the issue is that the
> outside of the bent section of the W-1029C angle rides on the initial bend
> radius of the W-1010R rib when located to the matched holes in the rib.
> First off, the stiffening bead is there so that the rib will not buckle
> under the maximum shear load seen by the rib. It may seem counter-intuitive,
> but a rib such as this can actually take a higher shear load with the
> cutouts and stiffening beads than if the rib had a solid web. If it is
> absolutely necessary to flatten or trim the bead off for clearance, then it
> is best to add a stiffening doubler to the opposite side of the rib to help
> keep the rib from buckling locally.
>
> However, looking at the picture, I'm not sure there is a need to "adjust"
> this bead. I have to ask some questions (and since I don't have an airplane
> to look at either) about the rib. Does the bead bend convex inboard or
> outboard of the web? And since the picture doesn't give me orientation, is
> the torque tube support assy installed on the inboard or outboard side.
> Also, are the left hand and right hand closure ribs identical or are they
> mirror images of each other? It seems to me that if the beads convex
> outboard and the bracket assy is installed to the inboard surface, there
> should be no interference. The only issue you'd have is an "overhang" which
> structurally isn't an issue as long as the heads and tails of the MS20470
> rivets attaching the bracket doesn't ride in the bead radius. And if the two
> ribs are mirror images, your problem could be a mis-identified or mis-formed
> rib. Swapping left for right might solve the problem, but hole alignments to
> skins and spars may be off.
>
> While the typical aircraft design is rather robust and can stand some
> deviation from design ideal, too much alteration without checking with the
> factory or other professional could be a bad thing. Fully flattening rib
> stiffening beads qualifies as a major alteration to me.
>
> James K. Hovis
>
>
> On 7/11/06, Mark Ritter <mritter509@msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Ritter" My experience is the
> > same as Tim's - once on the wing my ailerons do not rub.
> > Mark (40043)
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > From: *Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>*
> > To: *rv10-list@matronics.com*
> > Subject: *Re: RV10-List: torque tube support attach to wing root rib *
> > Date: *Tue, 11 Jul 2006 08:55:53 -0500*
> >
> >
> > >--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com >
> > >
> > >I remembered from seeing Rob's old repost a bit more on this
> > >spot. I think it touches, but once you have the ailerons
> > >hooked up, you can't get that much travel out of it
> > >anymore, so then it no longer rubs. So for those who are
> > >looking at this and worrying about it, you may want to wait
> > >until you attach your ailerons. I don't think I ended up having
> > >to bend mine in, but I also don't think they rub. If someone
> > >else had a different experience, please post to disagree, but
> > >if someone had the same experience, it would be nice to hear
> > >that this is valid...just in case.
> > >
> > >Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> > >do not archive
> > >
> > >
> > >todd agold wrote:
> > >>Thanks all for the replies. It made the most sense to me to
> > >>flatten the bead in the interfering area. I tried it last night
> > >>and all turned out well.
> > >> Thanks again.
> > >>Todd
> > >>#362
> > >>
> > >>*/"Robert G. Wright" <armywrights@adelphia.net>/* wrote:
> > >>
> > >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert G. Wright"
> > >>
> > >> Todd,
> > >>
> > >> I think this is the message from the old Yahoo list that Rick
> > >>S. was
> > >> referring to earlier.
> > >>
> > >> Um, personal archive for a lot of this stuff, but this one
> > >>should be
> > >> in the
> > >> matronics archives as well.
> > >>
> > >> Rob Wright
> > >> #392
> > >> QB Wings
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> [mailto: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > >>Randy DeBauw
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:13 AM
> > >>
> > >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw"
> > >>
> > >> I think what actually happens is that the opposite side
> > >>aileron hits
> > >> before
> > >> the one rod hits. I started to relieve the extra material
> > >>before I
> > >> came up
> > >> with the revelation. I decided to stop messing with it and
> > >>wait till
> > >> both
> > >> wings are on. Randy
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim
> > >>Olson
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 6:52 AM
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
> > >>
> > >> If my memory doesn't escape too far, I think I remember posts
> > >>last
> > >> year about this subject, and possibly remember Randy telling
> > >>me that
> > >> yes, people ended up enlarging the hole. My wings are all
> > >>together,
> > >> and I've connected the ailerons temporarily. I should be able
> > >>to test
> > >> for the rubbing at full deflection. At this point, since it's
> > >>not
> > >> painted, just primed, if it hits I'll just be filing it
> > >>larger,
> > >> deburring the hole, and re-priming. Not too big a deal. I used
> > >> temporary hardware to connect it.
> > >>
> > >> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> PJ wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > I just finished rigging the aileron on my right wing. When
> > >>I was
> > >> > finished, I noticed that at full up deflection, the aileron
> > >>doesn't
> > >> > hit the stop on the aileron hinge bracket. Right before it
> > >>gets
> > >> > there, the aileron to bellcrank pushrod binds up on the
> > >>edge of the
> > >> > hole in the rear spar. Same thing at full down; it binds
> > >>against the
> > >> > side of the hole before the nose of the aileron hits the
> > >>gap fairing.
> > >> > I double checked twice to make sure everything was adjusted
> > >>properly
> > >> > at neutral.
> > >> >
> > >> > I can't imagine the ailerons ever being deflected that much
> > >>during
> > >> > flight, but I also don't want my pushrod rubbing against
> > >>the rear
> > >> spar
> > >> > either. Is this normal, or do I need to take it all apart
> > =========================http://www.matroni=========================http://www.matronics.com/=========================================
> >
> >
> > <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>
> >
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Robin Marks" <robin@mrmoisture.com>
Deems,
Can you give us the rough pricing on the panel and center
console from Aerotronics? Less electronics... It helps me to start
choking early on the panel, motor & prop so that when it's time to write
the check I am already resigned to coughing up the $. Oh and BTY your
panel looks sharp.
Robin Marks
RV-4 Sold
RV-6A 300 Hours
RV-10 Full QB to be delivered this week.
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 9:58 AM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Sort of, I saw a pic of the panel on Henkejen's kitlog site, e-mailed
him to find out where he got it, then called Aerotronics, where I talked
to Gary Wirrell, who offered to do a graphic layout to see if it would
fit, (I think he was aiming at selling me more than just the panel),
when he e-mailed back the layout that sort of sealed the deal.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
With less than 2 weeks until OSH, I need to put out another
post regarding a few topics:
* RV-10 Builder List
* RV-10's Flying to OSH
* RV-10 Parking / Camping at OSH
BUILDERS LIST
-------------
First, regarding the builder list. I'm both impressed with
the response, but also surprised. I'm impressed because
we got over 100 responses and people added on to the builder
list. Some from last year never responded with their info.
It was a bit of work, but the list has already made it possible
for a couple people to meet up who were in the same area.
I'm kind of surprised, because with 600+ kits sold, and only
getting just over 100 replies, that means that the huge
majority is unknown or at least non-responsive or possibly
not even watching any online groups. If the same ratio of
responders were to go to OSH in the remaining 500 builders,
we're going to have over 480 RV-10 builder at OSH this year!!
I'm also surprised that out of 35+ RV-10's flying, we only
have 7 for sure, and 9 possible listed as flying to OSH
on the list. Here I don't think we'll see 5X that number
show, but if the ratio holds true, we may see at least
a fair share of the 35.
If you haven't put your name on the list, you can sign up
here. Remember that you can be on the builders list even
if you aren't going to OSH:
http://www.myrv10.com/osh.html
Don't forget if you're going to OSH to list if you're bringing
kids. I'm really hoping we can have some gatherings of
families if it works out.
Once you're on the list, you'll get an access code to the
complete list. To see a list without the contact info,
look here: http://www.myrv10.com/osh2/index.html
That one may be less up to date than the full list.
I think the builders who are on the list would tell you that
there are nice things about being part of the community.
FLYING TO OSH
-------------
If you're flying your completed RV-10 to OSH, please try
to put your name on the list....for a couple good reasons.
A) So the other builders can get pumped up a bit
B) Because the EAA really wants/needs to know our numbers for
space reasons. (see below)
If you're flying from a Westward direction, or even if
you want to join in and are coming from the East or South,
I'd like to invite you to meet me at KLUM for the flight
over. I am currently planning to fly in Monday a.m., but
if the overwhelming majority wanted to go Sunday night,
I might be swayed. Fuel is currently running $3.609 on
our field, so it's a *more* economical fuel stop.
PARKING/CAMPING at OSH
----------------------
After some initial confusion over who was in control of parking
our planes, I got in contact with Jeff Point, who has it all
figured out. He's requesting as complete and accurate of
a -10 count as we can get, and whether they will be camping or
parking. They are making some larger sized spaces available for
our larger planes and they really need to know what to allow.
I will use the RV-10 builders list to give him the final
headcount that I come up with, and he's hoping to use that, plus
some good estimation skills to allow enough space. If you're
bringing a -10, it will help "guarantee" (there is no such thing)
that an attempt at space is left. The lots we park and camp in
are notoriously tight on space.
Here is a note from Jeff:
---
"We finally got the RV-10 arrangements figured out. We were up
at Oshkosh last week taking measurements etc for how we are going
to lay out the field this year. It's going to be differenet from
last year in several respects.
The RV-10 campers will be as previously discussed, in their own row
on the east end of the Homebuilt camping area. Those arrangements
haven't changed from what you and Kreth worked out. Just as a
reminder, anyone who parks in the camping area will be assessed the
$18/ day camping fee, whether they pitch a tent or not. Anyone
parked in this area but not camping will be asked to park elsewhere.
This real estate is just to scarce, in the camping area.
The RV-10 parking area (non-camping) will not be adjacent to the
campers. It will be where it was last year, at the east end of the
RV parking area, just west of the north commercial displays (where
Van's tent it.) RV-10ers who are not camping should display the
HBP sign to all the ornage vests that they see. The welcome
wagon service can give rides from the parking areas to Camp
Scholler, the bus terminal, etc. to anyone who is parking and
staying elsewhere.
Any other questions feel free to contact me. I trust that you'll
get this info out to the RV-10 community.
Jeff"
---
So there you have it folks, the requests are out there. I may
post one more reminder next week, but it's so close to OSH now
that my mind is wandering off daydreaming a lot....so I
may miss that one. ;)
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Robin:
Our kit came with a perfectly serviceable panel made of aluminum, God's
favorite material, included in the price! : )
TDT
40025
Painfully slowly working on wiring and firewall forward
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 1:49 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Robin Marks" <robin@mrmoisture.com>
Deems,
Can you give us the rough pricing on the panel and center
console from Aerotronics? Less electronics... It helps me to start
choking early on the panel, motor & prop so that when it's time to write
the check I am already resigned to coughing up the $. Oh and BTY your
panel looks sharp.
Robin Marks
RV-4 Sold
RV-6A 300 Hours
RV-10 Full QB to be delivered this week.
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 9:58 AM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Sort of, I saw a pic of the panel on Henkejen's kitlog site, e-mailed
him to find out where he got it, then called Aerotronics, where I talked
to Gary Wirrell, who offered to do a graphic layout to see if it would
fit, (I think he was aiming at selling me more than just the panel),
when he e-mailed back the layout that sort of sealed the deal.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
The Aerotronics panel is $600 (just the fiberglass portion), the Center
console is something that I made myself, I have about $200-250 + into
it for materials. Labor = priceless :-)
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse/Finishing
http://deemsrv10.com/
Robin Marks wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Robin Marks" <robin@mrmoisture.com>
>
>Deems,
> Can you give us the rough pricing on the panel and center
>console from Aerotronics? Less electronics... It helps me to start
>choking early on the panel, motor & prop so that when it's time to write
>the check I am already resigned to coughing up the $. Oh and BTY your
>panel looks sharp.
>
>Robin Marks
>RV-4 Sold
>RV-6A 300 Hours
>RV-10 Full QB to be delivered this week.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
>Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 9:58 AM
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
>Sort of, I saw a pic of the panel on Henkejen's kitlog site, e-mailed
>him to find out where he got it, then called Aerotronics, where I talked
>
>to Gary Wirrell, who offered to do a graphic layout to see if it would
>fit, (I think he was aiming at selling me more than just the panel),
>when he e-mailed back the layout that sort of sealed the deal.
>
>Deems Davis # 406
>Fuse
>http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Tim, Last year we had set 10:00 am each day as a time where any of the
-10 guys could get together, we met in front of Van's tent. I was able
to meet several of the group at that gathering, and ask questions and
gather advice. Anybody want to repeat this this year? Perhaps we could
meet in front of your plane? Also Cleveland Tool (Mike are you there?)
had an ice cream social one evening at their site, which was another
good group opportunity.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> With less than 2 weeks until OSH, I need to put out another
> post regarding a few topics:
>
> * RV-10 Builder List
> * RV-10's Flying to OSH
> * RV-10 Parking / Camping at OSH
>
> BUILDERS LIST
> -------------
> First, regarding the builder list. I'm both impressed with
> the response, but also surprised. I'm impressed because
> we got over 100 responses and people added on to the builder
> list. Some from last year never responded with their info.
> It was a bit of work, but the list has already made it possible
> for a couple people to meet up who were in the same area.
> I'm kind of surprised, because with 600+ kits sold, and only
> getting just over 100 replies, that means that the huge
> majority is unknown or at least non-responsive or possibly
> not even watching any online groups. If the same ratio of
> responders were to go to OSH in the remaining 500 builders,
> we're going to have over 480 RV-10 builder at OSH this year!!
> I'm also surprised that out of 35+ RV-10's flying, we only
> have 7 for sure, and 9 possible listed as flying to OSH
> on the list. Here I don't think we'll see 5X that number
> show, but if the ratio holds true, we may see at least
> a fair share of the 35.
>
> If you haven't put your name on the list, you can sign up
> here. Remember that you can be on the builders list even
> if you aren't going to OSH:
> http://www.myrv10.com/osh.html
>
> Don't forget if you're going to OSH to list if you're bringing
> kids. I'm really hoping we can have some gatherings of
> families if it works out.
>
> Once you're on the list, you'll get an access code to the
> complete list. To see a list without the contact info,
> look here: http://www.myrv10.com/osh2/index.html
> That one may be less up to date than the full list.
>
> I think the builders who are on the list would tell you that
> there are nice things about being part of the community.
>
>
> FLYING TO OSH
> -------------
> If you're flying your completed RV-10 to OSH, please try
> to put your name on the list....for a couple good reasons.
>
> A) So the other builders can get pumped up a bit
> B) Because the EAA really wants/needs to know our numbers for
> space reasons. (see below)
>
> If you're flying from a Westward direction, or even if
> you want to join in and are coming from the East or South,
> I'd like to invite you to meet me at KLUM for the flight
> over. I am currently planning to fly in Monday a.m., but
> if the overwhelming majority wanted to go Sunday night,
> I might be swayed. Fuel is currently running $3.609 on
> our field, so it's a *more* economical fuel stop.
>
>
> PARKING/CAMPING at OSH
> ----------------------
> After some initial confusion over who was in control of parking
> our planes, I got in contact with Jeff Point, who has it all
> figured out. He's requesting as complete and accurate of
> a -10 count as we can get, and whether they will be camping or
> parking. They are making some larger sized spaces available for
> our larger planes and they really need to know what to allow.
> I will use the RV-10 builders list to give him the final
> headcount that I come up with, and he's hoping to use that, plus
> some good estimation skills to allow enough space. If you're
> bringing a -10, it will help "guarantee" (there is no such thing)
> that an attempt at space is left. The lots we park and camp in
> are notoriously tight on space.
>
> Here is a note from Jeff:
> ---
> "We finally got the RV-10 arrangements figured out. We were up
> at Oshkosh last week taking measurements etc for how we are going
> to lay out the field this year. It's going to be differenet from
> last year in several respects.
>
> The RV-10 campers will be as previously discussed, in their own row
> on the east end of the Homebuilt camping area. Those arrangements
> haven't changed from what you and Kreth worked out. Just as a
> reminder, anyone who parks in the camping area will be assessed the
> $18/ day camping fee, whether they pitch a tent or not. Anyone
> parked in this area but not camping will be asked to park elsewhere.
> This real estate is just to scarce, in the camping area.
>
> The RV-10 parking area (non-camping) will not be adjacent to the
> campers. It will be where it was last year, at the east end of the
> RV parking area, just west of the north commercial displays (where
> Van's tent it.) RV-10ers who are not camping should display the
> HBP sign to all the ornage vests that they see. The welcome
> wagon service can give rides from the parking areas to Camp
> Scholler, the bus terminal, etc. to anyone who is parking and
> staying elsewhere.
>
> Any other questions feel free to contact me. I trust that you'll
> get this info out to the RV-10 community.
>
> Jeff"
> ---
>
> So there you have it folks, the requests are out there. I may
> post one more reminder next week, but it's so close to OSH now
> that my mind is wandering off daydreaming a lot....so I
> may miss that one. ;)
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Deems,
Are you going with the throttle quadrant? And is there room to place switches and
or maybe the trransponder in your console?
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Here I go again - console finished |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
We made an AL center console from the panel down to the tunnel and it's
got room for an SL15, SL30, GX60, and a GTX330 transponder, so there
should be room for such things . . .
TDT
40025
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 2:23 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Deems,
Are you going with the throttle quadrant? And is there room to place
switches and or maybe the trransponder in your console?
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | torque tube support attach to wing root rib |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Gary Specketer" <speckter@comcast.net>
Just let me know what you want. I will go to OSH on the 19.
Gary
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:56 AM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I remembered from seeing Rob's old repost a bit more on this spot. I think
it touches, but once you have the ailerons hooked up, you can't get that
much travel out of it anymore, so then it no longer rubs. So for those who
are looking at this and worrying about it, you may want to wait until you
attach your ailerons. I don't think I ended up having to bend mine in, but
I also don't think they rub. If someone else had a different experience,
please post to disagree, but if someone had the same experience, it would be
nice to hear that this is valid...just in case.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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todd agold wrote:
> Thanks all for the replies. It made the most sense to me to flatten
> the
> bead in the interfering area. I tried it last night and all turned out
> well.
>
> Thanks again.
> Todd
> #362
>
> */"Robert G. Wright" <armywrights@adelphia.net>/* wrote:
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert G. Wright"
>
> Todd,
>
> I think this is the message from the old Yahoo list that Rick S. was
> referring to earlier.
>
> Um, personal archive for a lot of this stuff, but this one should be
> in the
> matronics archives as well.
>
> Rob Wright
> #392
> QB Wings
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
DeBauw
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:13 AM
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw"
>
> I think what actually happens is that the opposite side aileron hits
> before
> the one rod hits. I started to relieve the extra material before I
> came up
> with the revelation. I decided to stop messing with it and wait till
> both
> wings are on. Randy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 6:52 AM
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
>
> If my memory doesn't escape too far, I think I remember posts last
> year about this subject, and possibly remember Randy telling me that
> yes, people ended up enlarging the hole. My wings are all together,
> and I've connected the ailerons temporarily. I should be able to test
> for the rubbing at full deflection. At this point, since it's not
> painted, just primed, if it hits I'll just be filing it larger,
> deburring the hole, and re-priming. Not too big a deal. I used
> temporary hardware to connect it.
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
>
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> PJ wrote:
> >
> >
> > I just finished rigging the aileron on my right wing. When I was
> > finished, I noticed that at full up deflection, the aileron doesn't
> > hit the stop on the aileron hinge bracket. Right before it gets
> > there, the aileron to bellcrank pushrod binds up on the edge of the
> > hole in the rear spar. Same thing at full down; it binds against
the
> > side of the hole before the nose of the aileron hits the gap
fairing.
> > I double checked twice to make sure everything was adjusted
properly
> > at neutral.
> >
> > I can't imagine the ailerons ever being deflected that much during
> > flight, but I also don't want my pushrod rubbing against the rear
> spar
> > either. Is this normal, or do I need to take it all apart and
enlarge
> > the hole? Or is there something Get on board. You're invited
>
<http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=40791/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/handr
aisers>
> to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I think that's been a good idea in past years. If people
think 10am is good, then we can do that. Late enough that
people can get in the gates or fly in, early enough to not
waste a day. We could meet at Van's tent, or my plane.
I don't care. I plan to have a blue sun canopy next to
my plane so I can hang out. I won't probably be there
Wednesday, so that would mess up that spot for
one day. If we meet at Van's booth, lets meet on the road
out front so we don't overcrowd their booth. ;)
Let's have a quick online frenzy of ideas and settle on
a good spot and some good activities. Any vendors offering
some great activities, post them so we know where we can
get free food. ;) Heck, even a bottle of water would be
good.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Deems Davis wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
> Tim, Last year we had set 10:00 am each day as a time where any of the
> -10 guys could get together, we met in front of Van's tent. I was able
> to meet several of the group at that gathering, and ask questions and
> gather advice. Anybody want to repeat this this year? Perhaps we could
> meet in front of your plane? Also Cleveland Tool (Mike are you there?)
> had an ice cream social one evening at their site, which was another
> good group opportunity.
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> Fuse
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
> Tim Olson wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> With less than 2 weeks until OSH, I need to put out another
>> post regarding a few topics:
>>
>> * RV-10 Builder List
>> * RV-10's Flying to OSH
>> * RV-10 Parking / Camping at OSH
>>
>> BUILDERS LIST
>> -------------
>> First, regarding the builder list. I'm both impressed with
>> the response, but also surprised. I'm impressed because
>> we got over 100 responses and people added on to the builder
>> list. Some from last year never responded with their info.
>> It was a bit of work, but the list has already made it possible
>> for a couple people to meet up who were in the same area.
>> I'm kind of surprised, because with 600+ kits sold, and only
>> getting just over 100 replies, that means that the huge
>> majority is unknown or at least non-responsive or possibly
>> not even watching any online groups. If the same ratio of
>> responders were to go to OSH in the remaining 500 builders,
>> we're going to have over 480 RV-10 builder at OSH this year!!
>> I'm also surprised that out of 35+ RV-10's flying, we only
>> have 7 for sure, and 9 possible listed as flying to OSH
>> on the list. Here I don't think we'll see 5X that number
>> show, but if the ratio holds true, we may see at least
>> a fair share of the 35.
>>
>> If you haven't put your name on the list, you can sign up
>> here. Remember that you can be on the builders list even
>> if you aren't going to OSH:
>> http://www.myrv10.com/osh.html
>>
>> Don't forget if you're going to OSH to list if you're bringing
>> kids. I'm really hoping we can have some gatherings of
>> families if it works out.
>>
>> Once you're on the list, you'll get an access code to the
>> complete list. To see a list without the contact info,
>> look here: http://www.myrv10.com/osh2/index.html
>> That one may be less up to date than the full list.
>>
>> I think the builders who are on the list would tell you that
>> there are nice things about being part of the community.
>>
>>
>> FLYING TO OSH
>> -------------
>> If you're flying your completed RV-10 to OSH, please try
>> to put your name on the list....for a couple good reasons.
>>
>> A) So the other builders can get pumped up a bit
>> B) Because the EAA really wants/needs to know our numbers for
>> space reasons. (see below)
>>
>> If you're flying from a Westward direction, or even if
>> you want to join in and are coming from the East or South,
>> I'd like to invite you to meet me at KLUM for the flight
>> over. I am currently planning to fly in Monday a.m., but
>> if the overwhelming majority wanted to go Sunday night,
>> I might be swayed. Fuel is currently running $3.609 on
>> our field, so it's a *more* economical fuel stop.
>>
>>
>> PARKING/CAMPING at OSH
>> ----------------------
>> After some initial confusion over who was in control of parking
>> our planes, I got in contact with Jeff Point, who has it all
>> figured out. He's requesting as complete and accurate of
>> a -10 count as we can get, and whether they will be camping or
>> parking. They are making some larger sized spaces available for
>> our larger planes and they really need to know what to allow.
>> I will use the RV-10 builders list to give him the final
>> headcount that I come up with, and he's hoping to use that, plus
>> some good estimation skills to allow enough space. If you're
>> bringing a -10, it will help "guarantee" (there is no such thing)
>> that an attempt at space is left. The lots we park and camp in
>> are notoriously tight on space.
>>
>> Here is a note from Jeff:
>> ---
>> "We finally got the RV-10 arrangements figured out. We were up
>> at Oshkosh last week taking measurements etc for how we are going
>> to lay out the field this year. It's going to be differenet from
>> last year in several respects.
>>
>> The RV-10 campers will be as previously discussed, in their own row
>> on the east end of the Homebuilt camping area. Those arrangements
>> haven't changed from what you and Kreth worked out. Just as a
>> reminder, anyone who parks in the camping area will be assessed the
>> $18/ day camping fee, whether they pitch a tent or not. Anyone
>> parked in this area but not camping will be asked to park elsewhere.
>> This real estate is just to scarce, in the camping area.
>>
>> The RV-10 parking area (non-camping) will not be adjacent to the
>> campers. It will be where it was last year, at the east end of the
>> RV parking area, just west of the north commercial displays (where
>> Van's tent it.) RV-10ers who are not camping should display the
>> HBP sign to all the ornage vests that they see. The welcome
>> wagon service can give rides from the parking areas to Camp
>> Scholler, the bus terminal, etc. to anyone who is parking and
>> staying elsewhere.
>>
>> Any other questions feel free to contact me. I trust that you'll
>> get this info out to the RV-10 community.
>>
>> Jeff"
>> ---
>>
>> So there you have it folks, the requests are out there. I may
>> post one more reminder next week, but it's so close to OSH now
>> that my mind is wandering off daydreaming a lot....so I
>> may miss that one. ;)
>>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Here I go again - console finished |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Tim,
I've been thinking about doing something similar. The aluminum may be easier to
finish off with the materials Abby supplys as well. Do you have any dimensions
or pic's?
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Re: AL Center Console |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
>
> We made an AL center console from the panel down to the tunnel and it's
> got room for an SL15, SL30, GX60, and a GTX330 transponder, so there
> should be room for such things . . .
>
> TDT
> 40025
>
I would be interested in seeing pics of that if you have them. This is
the route I was planning on taking for a center console.
-Sean #40303 (Kit moved to Illinois, me still in AZ, obviously no work
getting done)
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
I second the thought about a daily meeting time/place. It was very
convenient way to sync up. It's not necessary for everybody to meet
everyday, but nice to have a prearranged meeting.
Bob #40105
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 1:16 PM
Parking-Camping
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Tim, Last year we had set 10:00 am each day as a time where any of the
-10 guys could get together, we met in front of Van's tent. I was able
to meet several of the group at that gathering, and ask questions and
gather advice. Anybody want to repeat this this year? Perhaps we could
meet in front of your plane? Also Cleveland Tool (Mike are you there?)
had an ice cream social one evening at their site, which was another
good group opportunity.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> With less than 2 weeks until OSH, I need to put out another
> post regarding a few topics:
>
> * RV-10 Builder List
> * RV-10's Flying to OSH
> * RV-10 Parking / Camping at OSH
>
> BUILDERS LIST
> -------------
> First, regarding the builder list. I'm both impressed with
> the response, but also surprised. I'm impressed because
> we got over 100 responses and people added on to the builder
> list. Some from last year never responded with their info.
> It was a bit of work, but the list has already made it possible
> for a couple people to meet up who were in the same area.
> I'm kind of surprised, because with 600+ kits sold, and only
> getting just over 100 replies, that means that the huge
> majority is unknown or at least non-responsive or possibly
> not even watching any online groups. If the same ratio of
> responders were to go to OSH in the remaining 500 builders,
> we're going to have over 480 RV-10 builder at OSH this year!!
> I'm also surprised that out of 35+ RV-10's flying, we only
> have 7 for sure, and 9 possible listed as flying to OSH
> on the list. Here I don't think we'll see 5X that number
> show, but if the ratio holds true, we may see at least
> a fair share of the 35.
>
> If you haven't put your name on the list, you can sign up
> here. Remember that you can be on the builders list even
> if you aren't going to OSH:
> http://www.myrv10.com/osh.html
>
> Don't forget if you're going to OSH to list if you're bringing
> kids. I'm really hoping we can have some gatherings of
> families if it works out.
>
> Once you're on the list, you'll get an access code to the
> complete list. To see a list without the contact info,
> look here: http://www.myrv10.com/osh2/index.html
> That one may be less up to date than the full list.
>
> I think the builders who are on the list would tell you that
> there are nice things about being part of the community.
>
>
> FLYING TO OSH
> -------------
> If you're flying your completed RV-10 to OSH, please try
> to put your name on the list....for a couple good reasons.
>
> A) So the other builders can get pumped up a bit
> B) Because the EAA really wants/needs to know our numbers for
> space reasons. (see below)
>
> If you're flying from a Westward direction, or even if
> you want to join in and are coming from the East or South,
> I'd like to invite you to meet me at KLUM for the flight
> over. I am currently planning to fly in Monday a.m., but
> if the overwhelming majority wanted to go Sunday night,
> I might be swayed. Fuel is currently running $3.609 on
> our field, so it's a *more* economical fuel stop.
>
>
> PARKING/CAMPING at OSH
> ----------------------
> After some initial confusion over who was in control of parking
> our planes, I got in contact with Jeff Point, who has it all
> figured out. He's requesting as complete and accurate of
> a -10 count as we can get, and whether they will be camping or
> parking. They are making some larger sized spaces available for
> our larger planes and they really need to know what to allow.
> I will use the RV-10 builders list to give him the final
> headcount that I come up with, and he's hoping to use that, plus
> some good estimation skills to allow enough space. If you're
> bringing a -10, it will help "guarantee" (there is no such thing)
> that an attempt at space is left. The lots we park and camp in
> are notoriously tight on space.
>
> Here is a note from Jeff:
> ---
> "We finally got the RV-10 arrangements figured out. We were up
> at Oshkosh last week taking measurements etc for how we are going
> to lay out the field this year. It's going to be differenet from
> last year in several respects.
>
> The RV-10 campers will be as previously discussed, in their own row
> on the east end of the Homebuilt camping area. Those arrangements
> haven't changed from what you and Kreth worked out. Just as a
> reminder, anyone who parks in the camping area will be assessed the
> $18/ day camping fee, whether they pitch a tent or not. Anyone
> parked in this area but not camping will be asked to park elsewhere.
> This real estate is just to scarce, in the camping area.
>
> The RV-10 parking area (non-camping) will not be adjacent to the
> campers. It will be where it was last year, at the east end of the
> RV parking area, just west of the north commercial displays (where
> Van's tent it.) RV-10ers who are not camping should display the
> HBP sign to all the ornage vests that they see. The welcome
> wagon service can give rides from the parking areas to Camp
> Scholler, the bus terminal, etc. to anyone who is parking and
> staying elsewhere.
>
> Any other questions feel free to contact me. I trust that you'll
> get this info out to the RV-10 community.
>
> Jeff"
> ---
>
> So there you have it folks, the requests are out there. I may
> post one more reminder next week, but it's so close to OSH now
> that my mind is wandering off daydreaming a lot....so I
> may miss that one. ;)
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Builders List / RV-10's to OSH / RV-10 Parking-Camping |
Deems, Tim et al.
I'd love to meet with you folks during KOSH, I'm going there with my son and
am still in the lurking stage...the J 5 is going very slowly...want to get
this down the road before jumping into the 10...hard to have two projects!
Patrick Scott
610-745-6057
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| Subject: | Re: Here I go again - console finished |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
I'm going w/ the vernier controls, I had the 'big plane feel' on 2
Barons with the quadrants and while it made me feel more like an airline
jockey, I always missed the precision of the vernier controls
(especially on landings) that I had w/ the Bonanza, so I'm swallowing my
ego and going back to the vernier controls. There's plenty of room for
transponder,autopilot/switches or ? in the console, in fact the past
couple of day's I've been noodling around the center stack arrangement,
the radios and transponder are over 11" deep and not withstanding the
mod that I already made to the fwd fuse ribs, will require a cutout in
the sub-panel to allow for their depth. This has some influence over
where the various components get placed in the stack, so I've been doing
the 'cut-n-paste' routine with the various components to see which works
best. I'm also reconsidering the 3 steam gages. John Cox pointed out
that since they are 'back-up' instruments that they should not occupy
such expensive panel real estate (ie. they are high and prominent). so
I've been experimenting there also, additionally, I'm thinking about
scraping the steam gages and putting in a Dynon -10A for back-up, for
slightly more $'s I get 7 more instruments. Decisions, decisions,
decisions.....
btw Rick, Thanks for the info re th CH sticks Kevin sent me a sample for
a test fit, and it turns out that they do indeed interfere with the
panel in the most fwd position, BUT, I like them sooooooo... much I'm
looking for a welder that can cut and reweld the sticks so that the
upright portion is about 20 degrees back, which should give me the
clearance I need.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
Rick wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
>
>Deems,
>
>Are you going with the throttle quadrant? And is there room to place switches
and or maybe the trransponder in your console?
>
>Rick S.
>40185
>
>do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | B&C SD-20 and Oil Filter Adapter Update |
I've been negligent in providing an update to the interference issue
between the subject components. There are actually 2 solutions:
If you need these two items to play together within the next 6-8 weeks
then you need the SD-20S version of the alternator and a "clocking
adapter" to rotate the alternator 45 degrees on the vacuum pad. The
SD-20S version is 5/8" shorter than the regular SD-20 to account for the
5/8" depth of the clocking adapter. The 45 degree rotation largely
solves the interference problem, balance of issue is resolved by
changing a bolt to a cap head screw on one corner of the filter adapter.
This solution was provided to an RV-10 builder someplace in Oregon that
needed a fix immediately to keep a scheduled date with a paint shop.
Long term solution is that B&C is going to manufacture a =BE" spacer and
new shear coupling for their SD-20 alternator which also solves the
interference issue. Simply moving the alternator back solves the
problem. People that want to use both products would simply order the
additional spacer (replacement studs for the vacuum pad would be
included). This is what B&C sees as the preferred solution. Delay time
is due to tooling and manufacturing lead times.
I've elected to go with the final solution and will report back when
it's installed. What a great company to work with!
Bob #40105
FWF - fighting with baffling...
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I'll dig out some pics tonight. Unfortunately, we didn't really record
the dimensions. We just sort of did it on the fly to fit.
Hey, I just found one picture here at work:
TDT
40025
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 2:48 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Tim,
I've been thinking about doing something similar. The aluminum may be
easier to finish off with the materials Abby supplys as well. Do you
have any dimensions or pic's?
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | B&C SD-20 and Oil Filter Adapter Update |
Bob:
Thanks for the leg work on this. Just to clarify, the preferred option
#2 involves no change to the oil filter adaptor, just the SD-20 mount?
(So I can go ahead and mount that and wait on the alternator?)
Thanks,
TDT
40025
________________________________
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob
(US SSA)
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 3:16 PM
I've been negligent in providing an update to the interference issue
between the subject components. There are actually 2 solutions:
If you need these two items to play together within the next 6-8 weeks
then you need the SD-20S version of the alternator and a "clocking
adapter" to rotate the alternator 45 degrees on the vacuum pad. The
SD-20S version is 5/8" shorter than the regular SD-20 to account for the
5/8" depth of the clocking adapter. The 45 degree rotation largely
solves the interference problem, balance of issue is resolved by
changing a bolt to a cap head screw on one corner of the filter adapter.
This solution was provided to an RV-10 builder someplace in Oregon that
needed a fix immediately to keep a scheduled date with a paint shop.
Long term solution is that B&C is going to manufacture a =BE" spacer and
new shear coupling for their SD-20 alternator which also solves the
interference issue. Simply moving the alternator back solves the
problem. People that want to use both products would simply order the
additional spacer (replacement studs for the vacuum pad would be
included). This is what B&C sees as the preferred solution. Delay time
is due to tooling and manufacturing lead times.
I've elected to go with the final solution and will report back when
it's installed. What a great company to work with!
Bob #40105
FWF - fighting with baffling...
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| Subject: | Here I go again - console finished |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Can't you just get a muffler shop that has a bender to flex the curve
for you? I too bought the Ch sticks, so I am waiting to see how you fix
it....
Dan
40269
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 3:00 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
I'm going w/ the vernier controls, I had the 'big plane feel' on 2
Barons with the quadrants and while it made me feel more like an airline
jockey, I always missed the precision of the vernier controls
(especially on landings) that I had w/ the Bonanza, so I'm swallowing my
ego and going back to the vernier controls. There's plenty of room for
transponder,autopilot/switches or ? in the console, in fact the past
couple of day's I've been noodling around the center stack arrangement,
the radios and transponder are over 11" deep and not withstanding the
mod that I already made to the fwd fuse ribs, will require a cutout in
the sub-panel to allow for their depth. This has some influence over
where the various components get placed in the stack, so I've been doing
the 'cut-n-paste' routine with the various components to see which works
best. I'm also reconsidering the 3 steam gages. John Cox pointed out
that since they are 'back-up' instruments that they should not occupy
such expensive panel real estate (ie. they are high and prominent). so
I've been experimenting there also, additionally, I'm thinking about
scraping the steam gages and putting in a Dynon -10A for back-up, for
slightly more $'s I get 7 more instruments. Decisions, decisions,
decisions.....
btw Rick, Thanks for the info re th CH sticks Kevin sent me a sample for
a test fit, and it turns out that they do indeed interfere with the
panel in the most fwd position, BUT, I like them sooooooo... much I'm
looking for a welder that can cut and reweld the sticks so that the
upright portion is about 20 degrees back, which should give me the
clearance I need.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
Rick wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
>
>Deems,
>
>Are you going with the throttle quadrant? And is there room to place
switches and or maybe the trransponder in your console?
>
>Rick S.
>40185
>
>do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Nice, very nice.
Tim, are you building at BED? I'd like to drop by for a more detailed look
when I'm back in Lexington this August.
John Jessen
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 12:22 PM
I'll dig out some pics tonight. Unfortunately, we didn't really record the
dimensions. We just sort of did it on the fly to fit.
Hey, I just found one picture here at work:
TDT
40025
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 2:48 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Tim,
I've been thinking about doing something similar. The aluminum may be easier
to finish off with the materials Abby supplys as well. Do you have any
dimensions or pic's?
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Re: RE: consoles |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
So why are you putting two huge plasma TV's in your panel.
And how do you get the DirecTV to stay locked on all flight?
<kidding> Man, that's going to be a beautiful view!
I saw the ultimate panel in a magazine yesterday....page
43 of the AOPA Pilot, July 2006. Someone kick me before
I start building again!
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> I'll dig out some pics tonight. Unfortunately, we didn't really record
> the dimensions. We just sort of did it on the fly to fit.
>
> Hey, I just found one picture here at work:
>
>
>
> TDT
> 40025
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| Subject: | Here I go again - console finished |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Saw an inch or two off the top of the stick? Or is then too short?
TDT
40025
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel
R.
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 3:47 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
<LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Can't you just get a muffler shop that has a bender to flex the curve
for you? I too bought the Ch sticks, so I am waiting to see how you fix
it....
Dan
40269
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 3:00 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
I'm going w/ the vernier controls, I had the 'big plane feel' on 2
Barons with the quadrants and while it made me feel more like an airline
jockey, I always missed the precision of the vernier controls
(especially on landings) that I had w/ the Bonanza, so I'm swallowing my
ego and going back to the vernier controls. There's plenty of room for
transponder,autopilot/switches or ? in the console, in fact the past
couple of day's I've been noodling around the center stack arrangement,
the radios and transponder are over 11" deep and not withstanding the
mod that I already made to the fwd fuse ribs, will require a cutout in
the sub-panel to allow for their depth. This has some influence over
where the various components get placed in the stack, so I've been doing
the 'cut-n-paste' routine with the various components to see which works
best. I'm also reconsidering the 3 steam gages. John Cox pointed out
that since they are 'back-up' instruments that they should not occupy
such expensive panel real estate (ie. they are high and prominent). so
I've been experimenting there also, additionally, I'm thinking about
scraping the steam gages and putting in a Dynon -10A for back-up, for
slightly more $'s I get 7 more instruments. Decisions, decisions,
decisions.....
btw Rick, Thanks for the info re th CH sticks Kevin sent me a sample for
a test fit, and it turns out that they do indeed interfere with the
panel in the most fwd position, BUT, I like them sooooooo... much I'm
looking for a welder that can cut and reweld the sticks so that the
upright portion is about 20 degrees back, which should give me the
clearance I need.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
Rick wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
>
>Deems,
>
>Are you going with the throttle quadrant? And is there room to place
switches and or maybe the trransponder in your console?
>
>Rick S.
>40185
>
>do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Here I go again - console finished |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Deems,
Make sure when you redo those sticks that you get enough aft stick if your going
to move the grip back. If I recall on my flight, darn near full aft stick was
needed on the flare so make sure "you" meaning your body doesn't stop that from
happening. How much forward motion have you lost with the stick hitting the
panel? Does it hit the elevator stops? Like you, my HS is not mounted yet to
check but someone may be able to tell you how far forward from plumb the stick
moves before hitting the stop.
Besides you will only need full down for the outside loop. ;)
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | B&C SD-20 and Oil Filter Adapter Update |
Tim,
Correct. Bill said that you might need to make sure that the lower
right bolt on the OFA has the flat oriented correctly but he wants to
test fit the final production stuff to make sure. If there's an issue
they'll send out a cap head screw to replace that single bolt.
BTW, very nice job on the center console - I might have to duplicate...
Bob
_____
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 2:25 PM
Bob:
Thanks for the leg work on this. Just to clarify, the preferred option
#2 involves no change to the oil filter adaptor, just the SD-20 mount?
(So I can go ahead and mount that and wait on the alternator?)
Thanks,
TDT
40025
_____
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob
(US SSA)
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 3:16 PM
I've been negligent in providing an update to the interference issue
between the subject components. There are actually 2 solutions:
If you need these two items to play together within the next 6-8 weeks
then you need the SD-20S version of the alternator and a "clocking
adapter" to rotate the alternator 45 degrees on the vacuum pad. The
SD-20S version is 5/8" shorter than the regular SD-20 to account for the
5/8" depth of the clocking adapter. The 45 degree rotation largely
solves the interference problem, balance of issue is resolved by
changing a bolt to a cap head screw on one corner of the filter adapter.
This solution was provided to an RV-10 builder someplace in Oregon that
needed a fix immediately to keep a scheduled date with a paint shop.
Long term solution is that B&C is going to manufacture a =BE" spacer and
new shear coupling for their SD-20 alternator which also solves the
interference issue. Simply moving the alternator back solves the
problem. People that want to use both products would simply order the
additional spacer (replacement studs for the vacuum pad would be
included). This is what B&C sees as the preferred solution. Delay time
is due to tooling and manufacturing lead times.
I've elected to go with the final solution and will report back when
it's installed. What a great company to work with!
Bob #40105
FWF - fighting with baffling...
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| Subject: | B&C SD-20 and Oil Filter Adapter Update |
Got to give credit to one of my building partners/helpers, Ken. He did
the center console work.
TDT
do not archive
________________________________
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob
(US SSA)
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 4:05 PM
Tim,
Correct. Bill said that you might need to make sure that the lower
right bolt on the OFA has the flat oriented correctly but he wants to
test fit the final production stuff to make sure. If there's an issue
they'll send out a cap head screw to replace that single bolt.
BTW, very nice job on the center console - I might have to duplicate...
Bob
________________________________
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 2:25 PM
Bob:
Thanks for the leg work on this. Just to clarify, the preferred option
#2 involves no change to the oil filter adaptor, just the SD-20 mount?
(So I can go ahead and mount that and wait on the alternator?)
Thanks,
TDT
40025
________________________________
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob
(US SSA)
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 3:16 PM
I've been negligent in providing an update to the interference issue
between the subject components. There are actually 2 solutions:
If you need these two items to play together within the next 6-8 weeks
then you need the SD-20S version of the alternator and a "clocking
adapter" to rotate the alternator 45 degrees on the vacuum pad. The
SD-20S version is 5/8" shorter than the regular SD-20 to account for the
5/8" depth of the clocking adapter. The 45 degree rotation largely
solves the interference problem, balance of issue is resolved by
changing a bolt to a cap head screw on one corner of the filter adapter.
This solution was provided to an RV-10 builder someplace in Oregon that
needed a fix immediately to keep a scheduled date with a paint shop.
Long term solution is that B&C is going to manufacture a =BE" spacer and
new shear coupling for their SD-20 alternator which also solves the
interference issue. Simply moving the alternator back solves the
problem. People that want to use both products would simply order the
additional spacer (replacement studs for the vacuum pad would be
included). This is what B&C sees as the preferred solution. Delay time
is due to tooling and manufacturing lead times.
I've elected to go with the final solution and will report back when
it's installed. What a great company to work with!
Bob #40105
FWF - fighting with baffling...
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| Subject: | Re: Here I go again - console finished |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
That's a good suggestion, I wonder if bending the curved portion of the
stick might shorten the 'throw' on the aft end, because it would bump
into the seat structure sooner? I'll have to do some eyeballing of that
possibility.
THANKS
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>
>Can't you just get a muffler shop that has a bender to flex the curve
>for you? I too bought the Ch sticks, so I am waiting to see how you fix
>it....
>Dan
>40269
>
>-----Original Message-----
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
>Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 3:00 PM
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
>I'm going w/ the vernier controls, I had the 'big plane feel' on 2
>Barons with the quadrants and while it made me feel more like an airline
>
>jockey, I always missed the precision of the vernier controls
>(especially on landings) that I had w/ the Bonanza, so I'm swallowing my
>
>ego and going back to the vernier controls. There's plenty of room for
>transponder,autopilot/switches or ? in the console, in fact the past
>couple of day's I've been noodling around the center stack arrangement,
>the radios and transponder are over 11" deep and not withstanding the
>mod that I already made to the fwd fuse ribs, will require a cutout in
>the sub-panel to allow for their depth. This has some influence over
>where the various components get placed in the stack, so I've been doing
>
>the 'cut-n-paste' routine with the various components to see which works
>
>best. I'm also reconsidering the 3 steam gages. John Cox pointed out
>that since they are 'back-up' instruments that they should not occupy
>such expensive panel real estate (ie. they are high and prominent). so
>I've been experimenting there also, additionally, I'm thinking about
>scraping the steam gages and putting in a Dynon -10A for back-up, for
>slightly more $'s I get 7 more instruments. Decisions, decisions,
>decisions.....
>
>btw Rick, Thanks for the info re th CH sticks Kevin sent me a sample for
>
>a test fit, and it turns out that they do indeed interfere with the
>panel in the most fwd position, BUT, I like them sooooooo... much I'm
>looking for a welder that can cut and reweld the sticks so that the
>upright portion is about 20 degrees back, which should give me the
>clearance I need.
>
>
>Deems Davis # 406
>Fuse
>http://deemsrv10.com/
>Rick wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
>>
>>Deems,
>>
>>Are you going with the throttle quadrant? And is there room to place
>>
>>
>switches and or maybe the trransponder in your console?
>
>
>>Rick S.
>>40185
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Here I go again - console finished |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Another good suggestion, I think I'll remount the HS and an elevator to
find out if this is a real or perceived problem. (The size of my gut is
real, the amount of elevator throw is perceived. :-D
THANKS
Deems
Rick wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
>
>Deems,
>
>Make sure when you redo those sticks that you get enough aft stick if your going
to move the grip back. If I recall on my flight, darn near full aft stick was
needed on the flare so make sure "you" meaning your body doesn't stop that
from happening. How much forward motion have you lost with the stick hitting the
panel? Does it hit the elevator stops? Like you, my HS is not mounted yet to
check but someone may be able to tell you how far forward from plumb the stick
moves before hitting the stop.
>
>Besides you will only need full down for the outside loop. ;)
>
>
>Rick S.
>40185
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I'm sure this decision is too late for you Deems, as you made your
beautiful console, but, for the other list people....
I am finding that the quadrant control is very smooth and precise
and I can pinpoint my RPM and MP much closer using the quadrant
than I did with N220RV with the vernier for my transition training.
I know vernier is normally the way to go for precise control,
but I can definitely tell you that I had a much-less-than-perfect
experience with the vernier in that RV-10, but from day one
I've had great precision with mine. So don't let the lack
of smooth and precise power/mix/prop control steer you away
from a quadrant....I found it to be the opposite. I'm sure that
things such as where the linkage attaches to the lever, and
the quality of the control can have a huge factor in this, but
this quadrant is great....far better than the one that
was in my Beech.
If anyone has any doubts, just come on over to KLUM on the
weekend before OSH and I'll let you do a little flying
to see for yourself. You just have to help me get the bugs
off it before I leave for the show. ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
Deems Davis wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
> I'm going w/ the vernier controls, I had the 'big plane feel' on 2
> Barons with the quadrants and while it made me feel more like an airline
> jockey, I always missed the precision of the vernier controls
> (especially on landings) that I had w/ the Bonanza, so I'm swallowing my
> ego and going back to the vernier controls. There's plenty of room for
> transponder,autopilot/switches or ? in the console, in fact the past
> couple of day's I've been noodling around the center stack arrangement,
> the radios and transponder are over 11" deep and not withstanding the
> mod that I already made to the fwd fuse ribs, will require a cutout in
> the sub-panel to allow for their depth. This has some influence over
> where the various components get placed in the stack, so I've been doing
> the 'cut-n-paste' routine with the various components to see which works
> best. I'm also reconsidering the 3 steam gages. John Cox pointed out
> that since they are 'back-up' instruments that they should not occupy
> such expensive panel real estate (ie. they are high and prominent). so
> I've been experimenting there also, additionally, I'm thinking about
> scraping the steam gages and putting in a Dynon -10A for back-up, for
> slightly more $'s I get 7 more instruments. Decisions, decisions,
> decisions.....
>
> btw Rick, Thanks for the info re th CH sticks Kevin sent me a sample for
> a test fit, and it turns out that they do indeed interfere with the
> panel in the most fwd position, BUT, I like them sooooooo... much I'm
> looking for a welder that can cut and reweld the sticks so that the
> upright portion is about 20 degrees back, which should give me the
> clearance I need.
>
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> Fuse
> http://deemsrv10.com/
> Rick wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Deems,
>>
>> Are you going with the throttle quadrant? And is there room to place
>> switches and or maybe the trransponder in your console?
>>
>> Rick S.
>> 40185
>>
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| Subject: | Here I go again - console finished |
Hey, shouldn't that thing be called a "trident", not a "quadrant"?
Oops, maybe not:
2. A machine part or other mechanical device that is shaped like a
quarter circle.
TDT
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-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 5:06 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I'm sure this decision is too late for you Deems, as you made your
beautiful console, but, for the other list people....
I am finding that the quadrant control is very smooth and precise
and I can pinpoint my RPM and MP much closer using the quadrant
than I did with N220RV with the vernier for my transition training.
I know vernier is normally the way to go for precise control,
but I can definitely tell you that I had a much-less-than-perfect
experience with the vernier in that RV-10, but from day one
I've had great precision with mine. So don't let the lack
of smooth and precise power/mix/prop control steer you away
from a quadrant....I found it to be the opposite. I'm sure that
things such as where the linkage attaches to the lever, and
the quality of the control can have a huge factor in this, but
this quadrant is great....far better than the one that
was in my Beech.
If anyone has any doubts, just come on over to KLUM on the
weekend before OSH and I'll let you do a little flying
to see for yourself. You just have to help me get the bugs
off it before I leave for the show. ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
Deems Davis wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
> I'm going w/ the vernier controls, I had the 'big plane feel' on 2
> Barons with the quadrants and while it made me feel more like an
airline
> jockey, I always missed the precision of the vernier controls
> (especially on landings) that I had w/ the Bonanza, so I'm swallowing
my
> ego and going back to the vernier controls. There's plenty of room for
> transponder,autopilot/switches or ? in the console, in fact the past
> couple of day's I've been noodling around the center stack
arrangement,
> the radios and transponder are over 11" deep and not withstanding the
> mod that I already made to the fwd fuse ribs, will require a cutout in
> the sub-panel to allow for their depth. This has some influence over
> where the various components get placed in the stack, so I've been
doing
> the 'cut-n-paste' routine with the various components to see which
works
> best. I'm also reconsidering the 3 steam gages. John Cox pointed out
> that since they are 'back-up' instruments that they should not occupy
> such expensive panel real estate (ie. they are high and prominent). so
> I've been experimenting there also, additionally, I'm thinking about
> scraping the steam gages and putting in a Dynon -10A for back-up, for
> slightly more $'s I get 7 more instruments. Decisions, decisions,
> decisions.....
>
> btw Rick, Thanks for the info re th CH sticks Kevin sent me a sample
for
> a test fit, and it turns out that they do indeed interfere with the
> panel in the most fwd position, BUT, I like them sooooooo... much I'm
> looking for a welder that can cut and reweld the sticks so that the
> upright portion is about 20 degrees back, which should give me the
> clearance I need.
>
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> Fuse
> http://deemsrv10.com/
> Rick wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Deems,
>>
>> Are you going with the throttle quadrant? And is there room to place
>> switches and or maybe the trransponder in your console?
>>
>> Rick S.
>> 40185
>>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: consoles |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Ya, my one wish before I get to the panel portion of my RV-10 is that us
experimental common folk can get a hold of those Entegra and EX5000 units.
-Sean
Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> So why are you putting two huge plasma TV's in your panel.
> And how do you get the DirecTV to stay locked on all flight?
> <kidding> Man, that's going to be a beautiful view!
> I saw the ultimate panel in a magazine yesterday....page
> 43 of the AOPA Pilot, July 2006. Someone kick me before
> I start building again!
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
>> I'll dig out some pics tonight. Unfortunately, we didn't really record
>> the dimensions. We just sort of did it on the fly to fit.
>>
>> Hey, I just found one picture here at work:
>>
>>
>>
>> TDT
>> 40025
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Patience must you have! - Yoda
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 5:24 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Ya, my one wish before I get to the panel portion of my RV-10 is that us
experimental common folk can get a hold of those Entegra and EX5000
units.
-Sean
Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> So why are you putting two huge plasma TV's in your panel.
> And how do you get the DirecTV to stay locked on all flight?
> <kidding> Man, that's going to be a beautiful view!
> I saw the ultimate panel in a magazine yesterday....page
> 43 of the AOPA Pilot, July 2006. Someone kick me before
> I start building again!
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
>> I'll dig out some pics tonight. Unfortunately, we didn't really
record
>> the dimensions. We just sort of did it on the fly to fit.
>>
>> Hey, I just found one picture here at work:
>>
>>
>>
>> TDT
>> 40025
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| Subject: | RV-10 Builders List / RV-10's to OSH / RV-10 Parking-Camping |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Tim, thanks for the continueing hard work. First, when talking to Jeff
Point get to an agreement that unannounced RV-10 arrivals are not going
to be corralled with those who showed the courtesy of posting in
advance. Those in advance get better placement and the others go "At
Large". As a former producer of Air Shows the only thing more disgusting
are the guys who sneak in, say they are with a show to get free fuel and
bennies (never to have announced and never participating). They should
be in the general North 40 parking masses and learn the value of the
school bus shuttle. There is plenty of room for every flying RV-10 but
they should at least line up parking in advance.
I am ready to eat my words, but I still feel strongly that 50 will be
flying by OSH and 20 will be on the ground there. It is tragic that so
many remain lurkers or felt there was little value in being part of the
Matronics Advantage.
Now if you can just work on the Wisconsin heat, humidity and
thundercloud activity too.
John Cox
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 10:45 AM
Parking-Camping
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
With less than 2 weeks until OSH, I need to put out another post
regarding a few topics:
* RV-10 Builder List
* RV-10's Flying to OSH
* RV-10 Parking / Camping at OSH
BUILDERS LIST
-------------
First, regarding the builder list. I'm both impressed with the
response, but also surprised. I'm impressed because we got over 100
responses and people added on to the builder list. Some from last year
never responded with their info.
It was a bit of work, but the list has already made it possible for a
couple people to meet up who were in the same area.
I'm kind of surprised, because with 600+ kits sold, and only getting
just over 100 replies, that means that the huge majority is unknown or
at least non-responsive or possibly not even watching any online groups.
If the same ratio of responders were to go to OSH in the remaining 500
builders, we're going to have over 480 RV-10 builder at OSH this year!!
I'm also surprised that out of 35+ RV-10's flying, we only have 7 for
sure, and 9 possible listed as flying to OSH
on the list. Here I don't think we'll see 5X that number
show, but if the ratio holds true, we may see at least a fair share of
the 35.
If you haven't put your name on the list, you can sign up here.
Remember that you can be on the builders list even if you aren't going
to OSH:
http://www.myrv10.com/osh.html
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
I have a dance card filled with 42 seminar options and still the desire
to see the exhibit booths, then see friends (Not in that order). Would
be happy to share where I want to be and when with anyone.
I would encourage multiple meet times like 10AM, 12PM, 2PM and 4PM
everyday to allow wider flexibility and participation. Just an idea.
The VANS booth is a great common location.
John Cox
Do not Archive
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:16 AM
Parking-Camping
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Tim, Last year we had set 10:00 am each day as a time where any of the
-10 guys could get together, we met in front of Van's tent. I was able
to meet several of the group at that gathering, and ask questions and
gather advice. Anybody want to repeat this this year? Perhaps we could
meet in front of your plane? Also Cleveland Tool (Mike are you there?)
had an ice cream social one evening at their site, which was another
good group opportunity.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> With less than 2 weeks until OSH, I need to put out another post
> regarding a few topics:
>
> * RV-10 Builder List
> * RV-10's Flying to OSH
> * RV-10 Parking / Camping at OSH
>
>
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| Subject: | Here I go again - console finished |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Waiting for a specific time slot and I will pay for the AVGAS. You have
my schedule.
John - N49CX
Do not Archive
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 2:06 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I'm sure this decision is too late for you Deems, as you made your
beautiful console, but, for the other list people....
I am finding that the quadrant control is very smooth and precise and I
can pinpoint my RPM and MP much closer using the quadrant than I did
with N220RV with the vernier for my transition training.
I know vernier is normally the way to go for precise control, but I can
definitely tell you that I had a much-less-than-perfect experience with
the vernier in that RV-10, but from day one I've had great precision
with mine. So don't let the lack of smooth and precise power/mix/prop
control steer you away from a quadrant....I found it to be the opposite.
I'm sure that things such as where the linkage attaches to the lever,
and the quality of the control can have a huge factor in this, but this
quadrant is great....far better than the one that was in my Beech.
If anyone has any doubts, just come on over to KLUM on the weekend
before OSH and I'll let you do a little flying to see for yourself. You
just have to help me get the bugs off it before I leave for the show. ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: RE: consoles |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Time is one thing I have plenty of before I get to my panel. So, maybe
the extended delay of moving will pay off in that aspect? :)
-Sean
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
>
> Patience must you have! - Yoda
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 5:24 PM
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
> Ya, my one wish before I get to the panel portion of my RV-10 is that us
>
> experimental common folk can get a hold of those Entegra and EX5000
> units.
>
> -Sean
>
> Tim Olson wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> So why are you putting two huge plasma TV's in your panel.
>> And how do you get the DirecTV to stay locked on all flight?
>> <kidding> Man, that's going to be a beautiful view!
>> I saw the ultimate panel in a magazine yesterday....page
>> 43 of the AOPA Pilot, July 2006. Someone kick me before
>> I start building again!
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
>>
>>> I'll dig out some pics tonight. Unfortunately, we didn't really
>>>
> record
>
>>> the dimensions. We just sort of did it on the fly to fit.
>>>
>>> Hey, I just found one picture here at work:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> TDT
>>> 40025
>>>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Robin Marks" <robin@mrmoisture.com>
Mountain of cash you must have. - Darth V.
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| Subject: | Re: RE: consoles |
Very Nice!
Jim C
===========================================================
I'll dig out some pics tonight. Unfortunately, we didn't really record
the dimensions. We just sort of did it on the fly to fit.
Hey, I just found one picture here at work:
TDT
40025
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 2:48 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Tim,
I've been thinking about doing something similar. The aluminum may be
easier to finish off with the materials Abby supplys as well. Do you
have any dimensions or pic's?
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | RV-10 Builders List / RV-10's to OSH / RV-10 Parking-Camping |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
I think dual slots is a good idea. Maybe 10 and 2 at Van's booth? If
Tim is going to be absent at least one day, and his parking position is
likely to change, I think Van's is best for consistency. Plus Tim
doesn't have to worry about it if something comes up and he can't make
it on a day or something.
Michael
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-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 6:20 PM
Parking-Camping
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
I have a dance card filled with 42 seminar options and still the desire
to see the exhibit booths, then see friends (Not in that order). Would
be happy to share where I want to be and when with anyone.
I would encourage multiple meet times like 10AM, 12PM, 2PM and 4PM
everyday to allow wider flexibility and participation. Just an idea.
The VANS booth is a great common location.
John Cox
Do not Archive
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:16 AM
Parking-Camping
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Tim, Last year we had set 10:00 am each day as a time where any of the
-10 guys could get together, we met in front of Van's tent. I was able
to meet several of the group at that gathering, and ask questions and
gather advice. Anybody want to repeat this this year? Perhaps we could
meet in front of your plane? Also Cleveland Tool (Mike are you there?)
had an ice cream social one evening at their site, which was another
good group opportunity.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> With less than 2 weeks until OSH, I need to put out another post
> regarding a few topics:
>
> * RV-10 Builder List
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> * RV-10 Parking / Camping at OSH
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Builders List / RV-10's to OSH / RV-10 Parking-Camping |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I'll see if I can whip up some good T-Storms so you can see how
well the WSI works. ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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John W. Cox wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
> Tim, thanks for the continueing hard work. First, when talking to Jeff
> Point get to an agreement that unannounced RV-10 arrivals are not going
> to be corralled with those who showed the courtesy of posting in
> advance. Those in advance get better placement and the others go "At
> Large". As a former producer of Air Shows the only thing more disgusting
> are the guys who sneak in, say they are with a show to get free fuel and
> bennies (never to have announced and never participating). They should
> be in the general North 40 parking masses and learn the value of the
> school bus shuttle. There is plenty of room for every flying RV-10 but
> they should at least line up parking in advance.
>
> I am ready to eat my words, but I still feel strongly that 50 will be
> flying by OSH and 20 will be on the ground there. It is tragic that so
> many remain lurkers or felt there was little value in being part of the
> Matronics Advantage.
>
> Now if you can just work on the Wisconsin heat, humidity and
> thundercloud activity too.
>
> John Cox
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 10:45 AM
> Parking-Camping
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> With less than 2 weeks until OSH, I need to put out another post
> regarding a few topics:
>
> * RV-10 Builder List
> * RV-10's Flying to OSH
> * RV-10 Parking / Camping at OSH
>
> BUILDERS LIST
> -------------
> First, regarding the builder list. I'm both impressed with the
> response, but also surprised. I'm impressed because we got over 100
> responses and people added on to the builder list. Some from last year
> never responded with their info.
> It was a bit of work, but the list has already made it possible for a
> couple people to meet up who were in the same area.
> I'm kind of surprised, because with 600+ kits sold, and only getting
> just over 100 replies, that means that the huge majority is unknown or
> at least non-responsive or possibly not even watching any online groups.
> If the same ratio of responders were to go to OSH in the remaining 500
> builders, we're going to have over 480 RV-10 builder at OSH this year!!
> I'm also surprised that out of 35+ RV-10's flying, we only have 7 for
> sure, and 9 possible listed as flying to OSH
> on the list. Here I don't think we'll see 5X that number
> show, but if the ratio holds true, we may see at least a fair share of
> the 35.
>
> If you haven't put your name on the list, you can sign up here.
> Remember that you can be on the builders list even if you aren't going
> to OSH:
> http://www.myrv10.com/osh.html
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| Subject: | RV-10 Builders List / RV-10's to OSH / RV-10 Parking-Camping |
Geesh, I remember Oshkosh 2003, when the live weather datalink in our
booth showed just bands of red and yellow all of the way across
Wisconsin.
Unfortunately, we were flying the rental Thunder Skyhawk, so our
datalink consisted of flying 100 miles or so, landing, dashing in to the
weather computer, then dashing back to the plane if our path looked
good. Then that same weather from WI chased us all the way across New
York. Foggy every morning, then the fog would burn off just in time for
the thunder-boomers to start popping up. FUN!
TDT
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-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tue 7/11/2006 8:57 PM
Parking-Camping
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I'll see if I can whip up some good T-Storms so you can see how
well the WSI works. ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
John W. Cox wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox"
<johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
> Tim, thanks for the continueing hard work. First, when talking to Jeff
> Point get to an agreement that unannounced RV-10 arrivals are not
going
> to be corralled with those who showed the courtesy of posting in
> advance. Those in advance get better placement and the others go "At
> Large". As a former producer of Air Shows the only thing more
disgusting
> are the guys who sneak in, say they are with a show to get free fuel
and
> bennies (never to have announced and never participating). They should
> be in the general North 40 parking masses and learn the value of the
> school bus shuttle. There is plenty of room for every flying RV-10 but
> they should at least line up parking in advance.
>
> I am ready to eat my words, but I still feel strongly that 50 will be
> flying by OSH and 20 will be on the ground there. It is tragic that
so
> many remain lurkers or felt there was little value in being part of
the
> Matronics Advantage.
>
> Now if you can just work on the Wisconsin heat, humidity and
> thundercloud activity too.
>
> John Cox
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 10:45 AM
> Parking-Camping
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> With less than 2 weeks until OSH, I need to put out another post
> regarding a few topics:
>
> * RV-10 Builder List
> * RV-10's Flying to OSH
> * RV-10 Parking / Camping at OSH
>
> BUILDERS LIST
> -------------
> First, regarding the builder list. I'm both impressed with the
> response, but also surprised. I'm impressed because we got over 100
> responses and people added on to the builder list. Some from last
year
> never responded with their info.
> It was a bit of work, but the list has already made it possible for a
> couple people to meet up who were in the same area.
> I'm kind of surprised, because with 600+ kits sold, and only getting
> just over 100 replies, that means that the huge majority is unknown or
> at least non-responsive or possibly not even watching any online
groups.
> If the same ratio of responders were to go to OSH in the remaining 500
> builders, we're going to have over 480 RV-10 builder at OSH this
year!!
> I'm also surprised that out of 35+ RV-10's flying, we only have 7 for
> sure, and 9 possible listed as flying to OSH
> on the list. Here I don't think we'll see 5X that number
> show, but if the ratio holds true, we may see at least a fair share of
> the 35.
>
> If you haven't put your name on the list, you can sign up here.
> Remember that you can be on the builders list even if you aren't going
> to OSH:
> http://www.myrv10.com/osh.html
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| Subject: | Re: Flap position sensor |
Here is how we've mounted the one in N184JM.
The push rod comes from a remote controlled airplane store.
Grumpy #40404
60 days or less to first flight!
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| Subject: | RV-10 Builders List / RV-10's to OSH / RV-10 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
John,
Your not far off...I checked the FAA data base and there were 58 RV-10's registered,
I think, there were two pages of them, some may be waiting for a DAR???
But none the less, almost 60 of them in the database.
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Here I go again - console finished |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
I only left about 1.50 inches on the stick, the rest is all CH grip.
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Instruments for Sale |
I am re-doing my RV-4 instrument panel and I am selling my old
instruments. Below is what I have for sale, first come first serve.....
The rest will go to eBay.
Also, if you feel the price is too high, feel free to make an offer,
I'll take the highest offer or I'll eBay them. All instruments were new
168 hours ago, except the Dynon has less than 100 hours and the KX155,
KI209, and the KT76A were used when I purchased them. Please respond
off list to n223rv (at) <mailto:n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
wolflakeairport.net.
Pictures available upon request, but I will most likely only be able to
respond in the evenings.
All prices include FedEx ground shipping.
Item Current Price Asking Price
UMA 1.25" CHT gauge $117.95 $82.00
UMA 1.25" Oil Pressure gauge $118.95 $83.00
UMA 1.25" Ammeter gauge $154.95 $108.00
UMA 1.25" EGT gauge $117.95 $82.00
UMA 1.25" Fuel Pressure gauge $118.95 $83.00
UMA 1.25" Volt Meter gauge $118.95 $83.00
UMA 1.25" Oil Temp gauge $118.95 $83.00
Price for all 7 gauges $866.65 $570.00
King KX155 14V w/ G/S $2,000.00
King KI209 Indicator (VOR/Glideslope Indicator) $750.00
King KT76A 14V Transponder $750.00
Garmin 295, color GPS, all original accy's, extra power cords, manuals,
and original box $625.00
Comant Diplexer CI 1125 (Dual VOR and Dual G/S to one antenna) $125.95
$75.00
Van's Fuel Gauges (2) $70.00 $45.00
NavAid Autopilot $1,300.00 $650.00
Smart Coupler II LE $249.00 $200.00
UMA Tachometer PN TU 3041 and 19-806-11G (odometer showing 196 hours)
$198.75 $110.00
UMA Airspeed PN 16-310-241D $160.00 $125.00
Van's Manifold Pressure Gauge (gauge only, no sender) $73.40 $25.00
Falcon Altimeter PN ALT20INF-3N 0-20K' $196.95 $130.00
Dynon D10 w/ magnetometer,OAT sensor, and flush mount $2,285.00
$1,500.00
Westach Carb Mix and OAT Temp gauge PN 2DA3-8 $83.25 $50.00
EI Fuel Flow Gauge (gauge only, no sender) $518.00 $310.00
P.S. - I'm no scammer, feel free to read my feedback on eBay (user ID
mkraus01)
Also, anyone is welcome to fly into my house and pick up the
instruments, I live at 26W near Jackson, Michigan. Look us up on
AirNav.com or just come visit sometime. I love guests and I have a
flying RV-4 and building an RV-10.
Thanks,
Mike Kraus
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Builders List / RV-10's to OSH / RV-10 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
You may well be right Rick, but also unless I am mistaken as soon as someone
applies (not reserves) for the N number it goes on the registry. So there
might be lots of folks who have applied for thier number but still have a
ways to go before flight. When I built the 4 I had the number a year early.
Dick Sipp
40065 110DV reserved
top & wiring
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 10:35 PM
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
>
> John,
>
> Your not far off...I checked the FAA data base and there were 58 RV-10's
> registered, I think, there were two pages of them, some may be waiting for
> a DAR??? But none the less, almost 60 of them in the database.
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
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>
>
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| Subject: | RV-10 Builders List / RV-10's to OSH / RV-10 |
Registered can be a long way from flying . . .
(Except in Doug Peterson's case!)
TDT
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-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tue 7/11/2006 10:35 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
John,
Your not far off...I checked the FAA data base and there were 58 RV-10's
registered, I think, there were two pages of them, some may be waiting
for a DAR??? But none the less, almost 60 of them in the database.
Rick S.
40185
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