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1. 04:00 AM - Pitch Trim Bellcrank Assembly (dmaib@mac.com)
2. 05:43 AM - Re: Battery Charger? (Ralph E. Capen)
3. 05:45 AM - Re: Battery Charger? (Marcus Cooper)
4. 06:12 AM - TruTrak DFC 250 AS For Sale (MikeEasley@aol.com)
5. 06:40 AM - Re: Pitch Trim Bellcrank Assembly (Tim Olson)
6. 07:08 AM - Re: Pitch Trim Bellcrank Assembly (Dave Lammers)
7. 07:13 AM - Re: Battery Charger? (ddddsp1@juno.com)
8. 07:22 AM - Re: Baggage door lock (Jim & Julie Wade)
9. 08:20 AM - Re: Pitch Trim Bellcrank Assembly (David Maib)
10. 08:33 AM - Baggage door hinge, hardware shortage. (John Gonzalez)
11. 08:51 AM - Re: Battery Charger? (John Hasbrouck)
12. 08:58 AM - DFC 250 Sold! (MikeEasley@aol.com)
13. 10:20 AM - Re: Baggage door hinge, hardware shortage. (Deems Davis)
14. 10:35 AM - Re: Battery Charger? (ddddsp1@juno.com)
15. 03:28 PM - Elevator counterbalance weight (Rick Leach)
16. 03:38 PM - Re: Elevator counterbalance weight (JSMcGrew@aol.com)
17. 03:40 PM - Re: Re: Baggage door lock (Sean Stephens)
18. 04:18 PM - Re: Battery Charger? (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
19. 04:49 PM - Re: Elevator counterbalance weight (Carl Froehlich)
20. 04:54 PM - Re: Elevator counterbalance weight (Tim Olson)
21. 05:25 PM - Re: Shop Organization (rleffler)
22. 05:42 PM - Re: Re: Shop Organization (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
23. 06:00 PM - Re: Battery Charger? (rv10builder)
24. 08:16 PM - Re: Elevator counterbalance weight (Marvin Mixon)
25. 08:57 PM - Re: Elevator counterbalance weight (John Gonzalez)
26. 09:52 PM - Re: Elevator counterbalance weight (ddddsp1@juno.com)
27. 10:40 PM - Re: Elevator counterbalance weight (Ben Westfall)
28. 10:48 PM - Re: Elevator counterbalance weight (John W. Cox)
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| Subject: | Pitch Trim Bellcrank Assembly |
Worked on the trim bellcrank assembly last night and seemed to have some rotational
binding of the F-1095B bellcrank when assembled. We took it apart and sanded
the two thin spacer washers as instructed. We went through this drill a couple
of times without much improvement. The bellcrank moves very freely on the
bolt, but is still binding a bit on the spacer washers. I am wondering just how
free the bellcrank should rotate. I would hate to get it to the point where
I begin to have side play.
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David Maib
RV-10 #40559
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Charger? |
SafeAir1 has one with a connector that can be accessed from the oil filler
door.
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Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 11:38 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Battery Charger?
>
> I've installed in my semi-completed -10 the the Van's recommended Concorde
> RG-25XC and need to put it on charge while it's sitting in the garage.
> Any recommendations for a small, three-step charger? Here are a couple I
> have found:
>
> batterytender.com/product_info.php?products_id=4
> northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_197012_197012
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> Thanks in advance!
>
> Brian
> #40308
> http://www.mykitlog.com/rv10builder
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| Subject: | Battery Charger? |
Dean, any more info on this. Looks like the details didn't make it to the
forum.
Thanks,
Marcus
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Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 1:05 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Battery Charger?
Check this one out............it is the size of a pack of gum. Ordered mine
last week. This is the best price site on it also..
Dean 40449
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| Subject: | TruTrak DFC 250 AS For Sale |
I have a TruTrak DFC 250 AS autopilot for sale. It's been in my plane for a
couple years and now I'm replacing it with a Sorcerer. TruTrak will only
discount the Sorcerer $2,100 if I trade in my DFC 250. I thought there might
be someone out there who didn't care about GPSV and would like a great deal on
the autopilot. The Sorcerer slides into the exact same tray, same wiring,
etc. so the buyer would get the brand new Sorcerer tray and hardware. You
would need to buy servos, about $2,200 for an RV 10.
I'm not making any money on this, just thought someone would want just about
all the bells and whistles TruTrak offers for about half price. First
$2,100 get it.
Mike Easley
Colorado Springs
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| Subject: | Re: Pitch Trim Bellcrank Assembly |
You want that bellcrank to move pretty freely. Mine is loose
without being overly sloppy. It must be from the positional
mounting of those 2 angle pieces that caused you to have a slightly
tighter fit than normal. Mine was pretty good just with the
standard washers and no sanding. Even if you had a tiny bit
of side play, it probably wouldn't be a huge problem.
The one thing you absolutely want to watch for on this assembly
though is that you will probably find that the bolt as it
rotates thru the slot, gets very close to the frame, and could
possibly hang up if everything had enough play in it.
So you will probably want to file a bit on the frame part
of the assemby where the bolt goes through, to give a little
extra clearance.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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dmaib@mac.com wrote:
>
> Worked on the trim bellcrank assembly last night and seemed to have
> some rotational binding of the F-1095B bellcrank when assembled. We
> took it apart and sanded the two thin spacer washers as instructed.
> We went through this drill a couple of times without much
> improvement. The bellcrank moves very freely on the bolt, but is
> still binding a bit on the spacer washers. I am wondering just how
> free the bellcrank should rotate. I would hate to get it to the point
> where I begin to have side play.
>
> -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89217#89217
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| Subject: | Re: Pitch Trim Bellcrank Assembly |
David,
I just finished this step last night and had the same problem/question.
You do want free motion with no play and that means: The washers need to
be thinned A LOT!!!. If you have the right measuring tools you can
measure the gap and then sand away at the washers until the two of them
equal the size of the gap. From these measurements you will see that
you need to do a lot of sanding. This may sound silly but I taped
(double sided) them to my index and middle finger and went back and
forth on a file (pausing occasionally to let my fingers cool down). It
took about 400 strokes on the file to get them to my target dimensions.
Then I installed them, no side play and smooth running. No magic
bullet here. Just some work.
Dave Lammers
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dmaib@mac.com wrote:
>
>Worked on the trim bellcrank assembly last night and seemed to have some rotational
binding of the F-1095B bellcrank when assembled. We took it apart and sanded
the two thin spacer washers as instructed. We went through this drill a couple
of times without much improvement. The bellcrank moves very freely on the
bolt, but is still binding a bit on the spacer washers. I am wondering just
how free the bellcrank should rotate. I would hate to get it to the point where
I begin to have side play.
>
>--------
>David Maib
>RV-10 #40559
>
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| Subject: | Battery Charger? |
Sorry........helps to put the link in the email! :)
http://www.cyclegiant.com/pgroup_descrip/3167/4707/?return=%3ftpl%3Din
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage door lock |
I use this one, love not having to use a key!!! Yes, a little drag, but worth it to me. http://www.rockler.com/ecom7/product_details.cfm?cookietest=1&&offerings_id=11231
Jim
N369JW
65 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Pitch Trim Bellcrank Assembly |
Thanks Dave and Tim O. We are heading to the hangar to file some
washers!
David Maib
#40559
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On Jan 21, 2007, at 9:08 AM, Dave Lammers wrote:
David,
I just finished this step last night and had the same problem/
question. You do want free motion with no play and that means: The
washers need to be thinned A LOT!!!. If you have the right measuring
tools you can measure the gap and then sand away at the washers until
the two of them equal the size of the gap. From these measurements
you will see that you need to do a lot of sanding. This may sound
silly but I taped (double sided) them to my index and middle finger
and went back and forth on a file (pausing occasionally to let my
fingers cool down). It took about 400 strokes on the file to get
them to my target dimensions. Then I installed them, no side play
and smooth running. No magic bullet here. Just some work.
Dave Lammers
fuselage
dmaib@mac.com wrote:
>
> Worked on the trim bellcrank assembly last night and seemed to have
> some rotational binding of the F-1095B bellcrank when assembled. We
> took it apart and sanded the two thin spacer washers as instructed.
> We went through this drill a couple of times without much
> improvement. The bellcrank moves very freely on the bolt, but is
> still binding a bit on the spacer washers. I am wondering just how
> free the bellcrank should rotate. I would hate to get it to the
> point where I begin to have side play.
>
> --------
> David Maib
> RV-10 #40559
>
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| Subject: | Baggage door hinge, hardware shortage. |
I am jumping around on the plans so much that I can't keep my logs in kitpro
straight.
In any case I finished the install of my baggage door yesterday eventhough
the closeout panel is still clecoes. The door functions very well but I
needed to englarge the opening directly above the hinge pin to allow the pin
to be inserted. The Hinge is only ever so slightly in the airstream, which
is good, but it made the insertion of the pin difficult. The fit of the
door is excellent, thank all for the input.
Chris Johnson, crimping the frame did work for me.
I am planning on laminating on a piece of aluminum to the aluminum angle
which serves as a door stop right above the top of the hing pin( only after
all the painting interior and exterior is completed). Some filler will also
be used, but one this is done the pin will no longer be removable.
The piece of aluminum will provide backing to the filler and prevent insects
from getting in while the plane is on the ground.
Did any one else experience this or did you put the hing far enough out that
this is not a problem?
On another note, I was missing two #8 dimpled nutplates, the kit only give
two and four are needed, for the rear seats, for tacking down the seat
bottoms. Lastly, I have made two seperate orders for LP4-3 blind rivets, 100
each time and I am hoping I won't need anymore. The kit seemed short on
these by atleast 100-150.
JOhn G.
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Charger? |
Is the charger 6 or 12 volt? Maybe I missed it in the specs.
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Thanks everyone. I had several responses, selected the first one to arrive
in my in-box and it's sold.
Mike Easley
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage door hinge, hardware shortage. |
John, I ended up in exactly the same situation as you.
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2034%20Baggage%20Door/slides/DSC02782.html
with almost the same plan to fix, However, I believe that if I Pro
Seal a metal 'filler plate to the upper inside of the door itself, and
then fill that with body filler to hide any seam, that when the door
opens it should provide access to allow for the hinge pin to be removed.
(At least that's the plan)
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Charger? |
12 volt
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| Subject: | Elevator counterbalance weight |
OK, call me dumb and I know, always measure twice and saw once. You guessed
it, I trimmed one elevator counterbalance weight wrong and cut a bit too
much off. How will this affect the elevator and rigging later on? Should I
suck it up and get a new weight or go with this one? It's probably only a
few ounces off. I haven't weighed it.
Rick Leach
40397
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator counterbalance weight |
Properly mass balanced control surfaces are important for reducing the
effects of pilot induced oscillation (PIO) and flutter. This is one place wh
ere I
would be especially careful to follow Van's plans precisely, as they have
done the math and engineering on this for us.
Jim
40134
In a message dated 1/21/2007 6:30:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
papadaddyo@tampabay.rr.com writes:
OK, call me dumb and I know, always measure twice and saw once. You guesse
d
it, I trimmed one elevator counterbalance weight wrong and cut a bit too
much off. How will this affect the elevator and rigging later on? Should
I
suck it up and get a new weight or go with this one? It=99s probably
only a few
ounces off. I haven=99t weighed it.
Rick Leach
40397
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List)
Jim "Scooter" McGrew
_http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew_ (http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew)
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage door lock |
I saw this product a while ago, but was wondering about the
weathering properties of Zinc?
-Sean #40303
On Jan 21, 2007, at 9:22 AM, Jim & Julie Wade wrote:
> <jwade@msdeltawireless.com>
>
> I use this one, love not having to use a key!!! Yes, a little drag,
> but worth it to me. http://www.rockler.com/ecom7/
> product_details.cfm?cookietest=1&&offerings_id=11231
> Jim
> N369JW
> 65 hrs
>
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| Subject: | Battery Charger? |
Yep, had one on my Harley for about a year and it fried. Switched to a
Battery Tender Jr and haven't looked back.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 limbo
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Subject: RE: RV10-List: Battery Charger?
Sorry........helps to put the link in the email! :)
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x%26category_id%3D3167%26
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| Subject: | Elevator counterbalance weight |
While on the subject, I sent a note to Van's asking about adding
additional weight to the counterbalance as the trailing edge of the
elevators are significantly heavy with the per plans counterbalance.
This was different than that experience when building my RV-8A.
Van's response was it is normal for the elevator trialing edges to droop
down. The response did not however answer my question about need to add
weight or not.
What are others doing?
Carl Froehlich
RV-10 (wings)
RV-8A (300 hrs)
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To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Elevator counterbalance weight
Properly mass balanced control surfaces are important for reducing the
effects of pilot induced oscillation (PIO) and flutter. This is one
place where I would be especially careful to follow Van's plans
precisely, as they have done the math and engineering on this for us.
Jim
40134
In a message dated 1/21/2007 6:30:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
papadaddyo@tampabay.rr.com writes:
OK, call me dumb and I know, always measure twice and saw once. You
guessed it, I trimmed one elevator counterbalance weight wrong and cut a
bit too much off. How will this affect the elevator and rigging later
on? Should I suck it up and get a new weight or go with this one?
It=99s probably only a few ounces off. I haven=99t weighed
it.
Rick Leach
40397
="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.co
m/Navigator?RV10-List
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator counterbalance weight |
Take no chances here. It's worth the shipping to get a new part.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Rick Leach wrote:
> OK, call me dumb and I know, always measure twice and saw once. You
> guessed it, I trimmed one elevator counterbalance weight wrong and cut a
> bit too much off. How will this affect the elevator and rigging later
> on? Should I suck it up and get a new weight or go with this one? Its
> probably only a few ounces off. I havent weighed it.
>
>
>
> Rick Leach
>
> 40397
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Shop Organization |
Thanks for all the comments!
I ended up getting these: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=93929
They were onsale for $2.50 this week. Four of them handled all the bags in the
empennage kit.
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| Subject: | Re: Shop Organization |
Sounds good, I'm fairly local to OSH (just north of Appleton) so I'm
just heading back home afterwards if nothing is going on. I took the
electrical class about a year ago, even though I feel I'm fairly
competent, and it was worthwhile.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 11:47 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Shop Organization
<bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
rvbuilder(at)sausen.net wrote:
> Speaking of the Sportair workshops, anyone going to be at next
weekends
> in OSH? I'll be at the composite class. I'm a repeat offender of
them
> and always learn something.
>
> Michael
> Do not archive
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Funny you should ask. I just posted something on the Yahoogroup with the
same question. I'll be there (avionics and electrical wiring) with
another RV-building bud (7's). I think it would be cool to try to get a
group together for dinner Saturday night.
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89109#89109
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Charger? |
I think that's the one I am going to buy. From the looks of their WEB
site I should be able to pick it up at the local Harley shop.
Thanks,
Brian
#40308
http://www.mykitlog.com/rv10builder
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
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> Yep, had one on my Harley for about a year and it fried. Switched to a
> Battery Tender Jr and havent looked back.
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> Michael Sausen
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| Subject: | Elevator counterbalance weight |
Now I am becoming concerned. How does one know if he cut off too much?
How
much are the weights supposed to weigh after mounting? How much
difference
between the two sides is acceptable?
Marvin Mixon
40633
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl
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Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 6:49 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Elevator counterbalance weight
While on the subject, I sent a note to Van's asking about adding
additional
weight to the counterbalance as the trailing edge of the elevators are
significantly heavy with the per plans counterbalance. This was
different
than that experience when building my RV-8A.
Van's response was it is normal for the elevator trialing edges to droop
down. The response did not however answer my question about need to add
weight or not.
What are others doing?
Carl Froehlich
RV-10 (wings)
RV-8A (300 hrs)
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Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Elevator counterbalance weight
Properly mass balanced control surfaces are important for reducing the
effects of pilot induced oscillation (PIO) and flutter. This is one
place
where I would be especially careful to follow Van's plans precisely, as
they
have done the math and engineering on this for us.
Jim
40134
In a message dated 1/21/2007 6:30:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
papadaddyo@tampabay.rr.com writes:
OK, call me dumb and I know, always measure twice and saw once. You
guessed
it, I trimmed one elevator counterbalance weight wrong and cut a bit too
much off. How will this affect the elevator and rigging later on?
Should I
suck it up and get a new weight or go with this one? It=92s probably
only a
few ounces off. I haven=92t weighed it.
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| Subject: | Elevator counterbalance weight |
Get a new one.
I used a band saw for the rough cut and finished it with a vixen file.
Dumb is not cutting it incorrectly. Dumb is cutting it incorrectly and then
realizing it and then using it.
This is the kind of thing that should be eating away at your brain even
before the plane gets airborn. If not now, then certainly when you are in
the air. Just think of that little voice you hear now being amplified by
1000 times when something sounds incorrect when in the air or doesn't feel
right and then multiply it by all the other items you questioned during the
building process. Too much imput for me.
Just do it correctly, it makes it a lot easier in the end and a lot safer.
Just my thoughts.
John G. 409
>From: "Rick Leach" <papadaddyo@tampabay.rr.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV10-List: Elevator counterbalance weight
>Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:27:30 -0500
>
>OK, call me dumb and I know, always measure twice and saw once. You
>guessed
>it, I trimmed one elevator counterbalance weight wrong and cut a bit too
>much off. How will this affect the elevator and rigging later on? Should
>I
>suck it up and get a new weight or go with this one? It's probably only a
>few ounces off. I haven't weighed it.
>
>
>Rick Leach
>
>40397
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| Subject: | Elevator counterbalance weight |
So how many people are having an A&P BALANCE all the control surfaces af
ter completing the plane and painting it?
All certified aircraft must have the control surfaces balanced after pai
nting?
Dean 40449
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| Subject: | Elevator counterbalance weight |
Define ".a bit too much off."? Is it a significant percentage say more than
10% of the weight? If so you probably should order some new lead but if not
then I would just wait and see after balancing them.
I wouldn't loose a ton of sleep over it either. You are going to balance
the control surfaces before flying right? If you don't have to add weight
to get them balanced then consider your screw up really a fix but If you do
need to add weight then its time to order some new lead. Van's is 20min by
car from my house though so I usually don't consider the time involved to
get new ones (just the time off work since the place is usually a ghost town
at 4:30pm).
I have not installed or balanced my elevators on the 10 yet but I have on a
RV9A and a RV4. In both cases the weights that we started with were too
heavy and needed some significant trimming to be considered balanced.
Everyone's planes will be different as some builders proseal the trailing
edges and others don't. How about the weight differences in the trim cable
anchor brackets from van's vs. some of the aftermarket ones? My point being
Van's can't supply you with the exact counterweight 100% of the time.
The 4 & the 9 that I fly have balanced control surfaces and do not "droop"
as one person said. Despite my repeated efforts neither of them have fallen
out of the sky :-).
Ben Westfall
#40579 - Gas Tanks.. still
Portland, OR
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marvin Mixon
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:16 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Elevator counterbalance weight
Now I am becoming concerned. How does one know if he cut off too much? How
much are the weights supposed to weigh after mounting? How much difference
between the two sides is acceptable?
Marvin Mixon
40633
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 6:49 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Elevator counterbalance weight
While on the subject, I sent a note to Van's asking about adding additional
weight to the counterbalance as the trailing edge of the elevators are
significantly heavy with the per plans counterbalance. This was different
than that experience when building my RV-8A.
Van's response was it is normal for the elevator trialing edges to droop
down. The response did not however answer my question about need to add
weight or not.
What are others doing?
Carl Froehlich
RV-10 (wings)
RV-8A (300 hrs)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JSMcGrew@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Elevator counterbalance weight
Properly mass balanced control surfaces are important for reducing the
effects of pilot induced oscillation (PIO) and flutter. This is one place
where I would be especially careful to follow Van's plans precisely, as they
have done the math and engineering on this for us.
Jim
40134
In a message dated 1/21/2007 6:30:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
papadaddyo@tampabay.rr.com writes:
OK, call me dumb and I know, always measure twice and saw once. You guessed
it, I trimmed one elevator counterbalance weight wrong and cut a bit too
much off. How will this affect the elevator and rigging later on? Should I
suck it up and get a new weight or go with this one? It's probably only a
few ounces off. I haven't weighed it.
Rick Leach
40397
="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Nav
igator?RV10-List
.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
Jim "Scooter" McGrew
http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com
/Navigator?RV10-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Elevator counterbalance weight |
Count me in. Wouldn't pilot one that hasn't been. Sometimes ride
passenger in those who didn't cause a love RV-10s and think the world of
those guys and gals who are done building. Given the warning by VANS
about flutter and VNE limits, it sounds pretty important doesn't it?
John Cox
#40600
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ddddsp1@juno.com
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:50 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Elevator counterbalance weight
So how many people are having an A&P BALANCE all the control surfaces
after completing the plane and painting it?
All certified aircraft must have the control surfaces balanced after
painting?
Dean 40449
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