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1. 04:32 AM - Doors coming off (Russell Daves)
2. 05:13 AM - Re: RV10-List Digest: 60 Msgs - 04/09/08 (Wayne Hadath)
3. 05:35 AM - Re: Doors coming off (David McNeill)
4. 07:27 AM - Re: Doors coming off (John W. Cox)
5. 07:37 AM - Re: Doors coming off (Tim Olson)
6. 08:08 AM - Re: Doors coming off (Tim Olson)
7. 08:30 AM - Door Fixes (Jim McLaughlin)
8. 09:26 AM - Re: Engine Special (Jeff Carpenter)
9. 03:07 PM - Re: Engine stop tests. (Rick Sked)
10. 03:12 PM - Door closing (Rick Sked)
11. 03:41 PM - Re: Engine Special (tomhanaway)
12. 03:54 PM - Re: Door closing (David McNeill)
13. 04:24 PM - Re: Re: Engine Special (Pascal)
14. 05:06 PM - Re: Doors coming off (gary)
15. 05:09 PM - Re: Re: Engine Special (MauleDriver)
16. 05:18 PM - Price Reduced: RV-10 Project For Sale (Eric Parlow)
17. 05:42 PM - Re: Door closing (John Dunne)
18. 06:49 PM - Re: Doors coming off (Rick Sked)
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| Subject: | Doors coming off |
I have a pull down strap mounted to the front lower part of the door
which hangs down about 18 inches and allows me to pull the door down for
closure. I also have a door handle mounted to the rear part of the door
that I can grip and pull in the rear of the door with one hand while
pushing the door handle closed which I find essential in getting both
the front pin and rear pin sealed.
Under no circumstances would I ever consider any type of door pin that
did not go all the way through the door frame. Essential to me is the
ability to manually feel the door pin on the backside of the front and
rear door frame to insure the pins are fully seated before I take off.
Russ Daves
N710RV - 200+ hours
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| Subject: | Re: RV10-List Digest: 60 Msgs - 04/09/08 |
Fellow Builders
I am in the process of working on the doors and the main problem I see is that
the alignment of the door is controlled by the hinge placement. In my set of
hinges there was 1/32 of side play which I shimmed out. If the hinges are installed
precisely then the door drops down and closes into the correct position.The
only time the door is guided into position is on the last 1/4 inches of travel
when the bevelled door edges come into contact with the fuselage. Now in
the ideal setting which I guess would be wings off, precisely bushed and installed
hinges and standing on the floor outside the aircraft while closing the
door, all things work beautifully. But, in real life you will sitting inside the
aircraft so there will be no visual references to help guide the door, there
will be a hinges/pin mechanism that is forever wearing and causing more play
(fore and aft movement of the door) and when you close the door you will be relying
to a large extent on that last 1/4 inch
bevel to guide the door into the correct position. I am not comfortable with relying
on the last 1/4 inch. In my opinion the major mod that should be made is
a method of guiding the door into it's correct position. The guide should come
into play long before the last 1/4 inch. I am making my door in such a way
that it is guided into the correct position and it will be impossible to throw
the pins if the door is not properly seated. I believe that the latching mechanism
is adequate but mods to the receiver area and to the pin ends can easily
be made in any shop.
Doors!!! and I thought building a canopy was a pain!
Wayne Hadath
F1 Rocket C-FAUH
250 hours
RV 10 Fusealge top and doors.
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1. 12:45 AM - ATP plug (Chris and Susie McGough)
2. 12:58 AM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Steven DiNieri)
3. 01:08 AM - Re: Door handles (Steven DiNieri)
4. 03:37 AM - Re: Door handles (Bob Leffler)
5. 04:12 AM - Re: RV Grin (Bob Leffler)
6. 04:52 AM - Re: Re: NVFR avionics help (Rodger Todd)
7. 05:16 AM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (John Testement)
8. 05:18 AM - Re: RV Grin (gary)
9. 06:16 AM - Re: RV Grin (gary)
10. 06:44 AM - Re: P-Mag! (marcausman)
11. 06:56 AM - 2 blade Hartzell- SnF attendees (Pascal)
12. 07:05 AM - Re: Air field flow for the 10 (Bobby J. Hughes)
13. 07:42 AM - Re: NVFR avionics help (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
14. 08:35 AM - Re: RV Grin (Deems Davis)
15. 08:49 AM - Re: Door handles (Steven DiNieri)
16. 08:54 AM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (SteinAir, Inc.)
17. 08:58 AM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Steven DiNieri)
18. 09:12 AM - Re: Engine stop tests. (Bill DeRouchey)
19. 09:26 AM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
20. 09:46 AM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (Tim Olson)
21. 09:49 AM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (Tim Olson)
22. 10:07 AM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (John W. Cox)
23. 11:24 AM - Re: Engine stop tests. (Neil & Sarah Colliver)
24. 11:43 AM - Re: Re: P-Mag! (Larry Rosen)
25. 01:04 PM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (John Ackerman)
26. 02:59 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Scott Schmidt)
27. 03:02 PM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (Patrick Thyssen)
28. 03:14 PM - Engine Special (Jeff Carpenter)
29. 03:24 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Tim Olson)
30. 03:39 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Rene Felker)
31. 03:40 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (PJ Seipel)
32. 03:41 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes ()
33. 03:47 PM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (McGANN, Ron)
34. 03:54 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Deems Davis)
35. 04:07 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Bob Leffler)
36. 04:51 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Steven DiNieri)
37. 05:09 PM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (John W. Cox)
38. 05:15 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (John W. Cox)
39. 05:24 PM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (John W. Cox)
40. 05:48 PM - Re: AFS Systems (Rick Sked)
41. 05:59 PM - Re: Engine Special (John Cram)
42. 06:30 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (David McNeill)
43. 06:32 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Larry Rosen)
44. 06:51 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (David McNeill)
45. 07:03 PM - Re: Re: P-Mag! (Jesse Saint)
46. 07:49 PM - Re: Engine Special (Pascal)
47. 07:54 PM - Re: Door handles (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
48. 07:58 PM - Doors coming off (Chris and Susie McGough)
49. 08:04 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Rick Sked)
50. 08:14 PM - Re: Doors coming off (Tim Olson)
51. 08:26 PM - Re: Doors coming off (Ben Westfall)
52. 08:33 PM - Re: Engine stop tests. (Marcus Cooper)
53. 08:35 PM - Re: RV Grin (Marcus Cooper)
54. 08:42 PM - Re: Doors coming off (David McNeill)
55. 09:11 PM - Re: Doors coming off (John W. Cox)
56. 09:15 PM - Re: Engine stop tests. (John W. Cox)
57. 09:33 PM - Re: Doors coming off (Perry, Phil)
58. 10:36 PM - Re: Doors coming off (Kelly McMullen)
59. 10:59 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (John Ackerman)
60. 11:25 PM - Re: Doors coming off (John Dunne)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 12:45:08 AM PST US
From: "Chris and Susie McGough"
Subject: RV10-List: ATP plug
Just recieved visors from Aviation Tech Products. Came within 10 days to
Australia and answered all questions .
Great service.
Chris 388
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 12:58:06 AM PST US
From: "Steven DiNieri"
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
When I went to install a set in my rv10, I modified them to be much easier
to install. After seeing my mods coupled with the shipping delays I was
asked to reproduce a similar product by a few builders. I think they are a
very good anchor for the door rods to latch into, and should add a margin of
strength to the latch mech. I do offer them on my website (available
immediately ;) sorry for the commercial announcement, I just want all to
know there are options...
Steve dinieri
Iflyrv10.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 12:59 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
>
>
> I cannot imagine why anyone flying an RV10 does not install
> the very excellent Rivethead door pins. They are tedious to
> install and adjust, but they are really sweet and center the
> closure on the door giving a positive feel when closing your
> door plus the whole install feels very strong
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust
> Q/B Kit - Ready to exit cabin top/door purgatory
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175658#175658
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 01:08:32 AM PST US
From: "Steven DiNieri"
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door handles
Michael, i have been offering a handle kit similar to the Hendricks, but in
a complete kit form, thinner in profile, specifically designed for the rv10.
My design allows the latching system to remain in place as vans designed.
when i started designing the handles the primary idea was to leave all the
door latch mech alone. my handles simply replace the outside handle, just in
a different position. they also allow standard lock cylinders for locking
(just like the Hendricks) and i am introducing on the website this week a
flush stainless lock system for all rv10's. easily installed into even
flying aircraft.
sorry to toot my own horn, but with all the talk about door and latches and
the importance of such systems i just want all to know there are options...
Steven dinieri
iflyrv10.com
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:33 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Door handles
With all the talk about the doors I've been doing some thinking regarding
the factory setup vs the aftermarket handles. I like the flush look and
operation of the handles like Hendricks and others but the lack of a
positive locking detent really makes me nervous.
I also want a way to lock the doors so they can't be opened by any
passerby. The is especially important with the TSA rumblings that all GA
aircraft must have locked doors. It's not a law yet but I wouldn't be
surprised to see it conceded to stop something bigger. Frankly having the
kind of investment in these aircraft that we do it's a bit silly to not have
the doors locked somehow. I know, if a thief really wants in he will get
in. But a thief also isn't going to stop at a plane with locks if a better
target is around or if it will take too long or be too noticeable to
circumvent them.
So to that end someone had posted a while back a way to make a baggage
door lock work with the standard Van's door handles. Anyone still have the
links to that?
Michael
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 03:37:57 AM PST US
From: "Bob Leffler"
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door handles
Steven,
I see that you've added many new products to your site. The elevator trim
bracket and the aluminum door guides caught my eye. Are you reselling
Rivethead-Aero's product or are you manufacturing these yourself?
Thanks,
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven DiNieri
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 4:06 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door handles
Michael, i have been offering a handle kit similar to the Hendricks, but in
a complete kit form, thinner in profile, specifically designed for the rv10.
My design allows the latching system to remain in place as vans designed.
when i started designing the handles the primary idea was to leave all the
door latch mech alone. my handles simply replace the outside handle, just in
a different position. they also allow standard lock cylinders for locking
(just like the Hendricks) and i am introducing on the website this week a
flush stainless lock system for all rv10's. easily installed into even
flying aircraft.
sorry to toot my own horn, but with all the talk about door and latches and
the importance of such systems i just want all to know there are options...
Steven dinieri
iflyrv10.com
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 04:12:40 AM PST US
From: "Bob Leffler"
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV Grin
Great news Gary!
I'm looking forward to seeing you, Brenda, and both your RVs this summer.
My wife is definitely coming and is anxious to meet all the RV-10 spouses.
Please let us know how your Phase I goes.
See ya in 109 days!
bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 8:07 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV Grin
N204GS flew for the first time today. I have been telling folks that it
would be done on Tuesday ever since I started building. The airplane flew
perfectly.
Gary
40274
________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Time: 04:52:06 AM PST US
From: Rodger Todd
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: NVFR avionics help
Hi Chris,
You'll need to replace (or add to) the SL-40 with an SL-30 which will give you
a TSO'd VOR/LOC/GS. To this you will have to add an MD200 series CDI to maintain
the TSO.
Why don't you contact Jake (can't find his e-mail address at the moment) to confirm
that you don't need anything else avionics wise? Also why noit try the Oz
RV Yahoo group site?
Looking forward to hearing about the first flight - Spring is in the air!
Rodger
--- On Wed, 9/4/08, Chris and Susie McGough wrote:
> From: Chris and Susie McGough
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: NVFR avionics help
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, 9 April, 2008, 8:13 AM
> McGough"
>
> Mike ....my 10 is just about ready to fly and as per email
> you can see my
> current setup and wanted to go from there.
>
> thanks anyway regards Chris
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "AirMike"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 3:39 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: NVFR avionics help
>
>
> "AirMike"
> >
> > Obviously you are going through the time consuming
> process of panel
> > planning. After beating around the bush for 2 months,
> I went with the SL30
> > as most of the threads here also indicate. I tried for
> a long time to save
> > the extra two thousand plus dollars on the SL40 (radio
> only). I finally
> > realized that it was false economy. Yes(Ron) you do
> need the additional
> > CDI and Glide slope lights. The AFS3500 has (built in)
> the CDI indicators
> > for guidance but you also need an audio panel for the
> Marker Beacon
> > lights. Yes that is another $1000. My panel is being
> finished by the very
> > nice folks at Aerotronics in Billings, MT. While I
> have not yet received
> > the panel, I am very impressed with the excellent
> customer interaction and
> > pro-active approach that Aerotronic takes. I got three
> bids on my panel,
> > but went with them on my intuition and the advice of a
> member of the EAA
> > advisory panel. I will give another report after I P/U
> the panel later
> > this month. This is my thinking that this a a !
> > serous NVFR panel and will get me out of trouble if
> caught in IFR
> > conditions. It seem to be a very cost effective setup.
> Probably could save
> > more with Dynon
> >
> > AFS3500 (1x)
> > Garmin SL30 Nav/Com
> > Garmin 327 Mode "C" Transponder
> > Garmin 340 Audio
> > Garmin 496
> > Digiflight II VS
> > Trutrak B/U ADI Backup 2.25"
> > UMA Altimeter Backup 2.25"
> > UMA A/S Backup 2.25"
> > Xaon XRX TCAS Beta (talks to 496)
> > PAI Vertical Card compass
> >
> > --------
> > OSH '08 or Bust
> > Q/B Kit - Ready to exit cabin top/door purgatory
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> >
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175661#175661
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
Time: 05:16:30 AM PST US
From: "John Testement"
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
Steve,
How much for a set?
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Painting
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven DiNieri
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 3:55 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
When I went to install a set in my rv10, I modified them to be much easier
to install. After seeing my mods coupled with the shipping delays I was
asked to reproduce a similar product by a few builders. I think they are a
very good anchor for the door rods to latch into, and should add a margin of
strength to the latch mech. I do offer them on my website (available
immediately ;) sorry for the commercial announcement, I just want all to
know there are options...
Steve dinieri
Iflyrv10.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 12:59 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
>
>
> I cannot imagine why anyone flying an RV10 does not install the very
> excellent Rivethead door pins. They are tedious to install and adjust,
> but they are really sweet and center the closure on the door giving a
> positive feel when closing your door plus the whole install feels very
> strong
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust
> Q/B Kit - Ready to exit cabin top/door purgatory
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175658#175658
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
Checked by AVG.
7:10 AM
Checked by AVG.
7:10 AM
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
Time: 05:18:16 AM PST US
From: "gary"
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV Grin
Like all builders, I need to tackle the honey-do list. I have been lax in
that area.
Gary
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV Grin
Congratulations Gary! That's fantastic news. Now, since you like building
so much, what is the next project going to be? :-)
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Apr 8, 2008, at 7:07 PM, gary wrote:
N204GS flew for the first time today. I have been telling folks that it
would be done on Tuesday ever since I started building. The airplane flew
perfectly.
Gary
40274
________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
Time: 06:16:35 AM PST US
From: "gary"
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV Grin
Unlike Deems I am not a very good documenter of my work, but here are a few
pix.
Gary
40274
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Testement
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 11:07 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV Grin
Congratulations Gary - let's see some more pix.
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Painting
do not archive
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 8:07 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV Grin
N204GS flew for the first time today. I have been telling folks that it
would be done on Tuesday ever since I started building. The airplane flew
perfectly.
Gary
40274
4/8/2008 7:30 AM
Checked by AVG.
4/8/2008 7:30 AM
________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
Time: 06:44:10 AM PST US
Subject: RV10-List: Re: P-Mag!
From: "marcausman"
I've had them for about 320 hours on my RV-7. Early on I had two failures and a
third (which was my fault, you have to be very careful making the ignition wires).
So I replaced one with a slick mag. The difference between the slick mag
and the p-mag are very obvious when running the engine on only one mag (for
testing, run-up etc.). Along the way, Brad and Tom were very helpful.
More importantly, though, the last 160 hours or so have been flawless. So I can
only deduce that they've worked out the bugs, at least based on my experience.
If and when I build an RV-10 I'll put them on for sure.
--------
Marc Ausman
http://www.verticalpower.com
RV-7 IO-390 Flying
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175686#175686
________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
Time: 06:56:46 AM PST US
From: "Pascal"
Subject: RV10-List: 2 blade Hartzell- SnF attendees
SnF Attendees;
http://www.hartzellprop.com/pressroom/pr_htm/pr_11_09_07.htm
Could someone walk over to Hartzell and ask if the 2 blade Carbon blade
would be a good option for the RV-10? If so what would be needed to get
one? I am thinking although it's for the Diamond DA40 now, Hartzell may
provide it for other aircraft as well. Since the three blade is in the
Cirrus this blade may very well work for us.
Thanks!
Pascal
________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________
Time: 07:05:09 AM PST US
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Air field flow for the 10
From: "Bobby J. Hughes"
Bob,
RV6 pressure plot attached. The pressure areas on our 10's should be
very similar if your using the stock cowl. The pressure does change
depending on angle of attack. Here is another good site with lots of
pressure data. Different airframe but the basic principles apply.
http://www.melmoth2.com/
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| Subject: | Doors coming off |
As an addition to the standard setup I am going to use a steel set screw
from Mcmaster Carr to thread inside the aluminum tube to cover the area of
the tube carrying the shear load. I do agree that rear door handle will
greatly assist in pulling in the door so that the pins insert correctly.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russell Daves
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 4:25 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Doors coming off
I have a pull down strap mounted to the front lower part of the door which
hangs down about 18 inches and allows me to pull the door down for closure.
I also have a door handle mounted to the rear part of the door that I can
grip and pull in the rear of the door with one hand while pushing the door
handle closed which I find essential in getting both the front pin and rear
pin sealed.
Under no circumstances would I ever consider any type of door pin that did
not go all the way through the door frame. Essential to me is the ability
to manually feel the door pin on the backside of the front and rear door
frame to insure the pins are fully seated before I take off.
Russ Daves
N710RV - 200+ hours
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| Subject: | Doors coming off |
I'm sure they will say Yes. Check any lockset or latchset for the logic
of tapered pins on any door of a residential or commercial building.
The only exception I can think of is an armory or bank vault door. I
still stand my the logic for the taper to go opposite the plan. Oh yeh,
and the pins to be fully retracted before a closure attempt. Just think
of a deadbolt doing damage if not retracted.
John C
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Dunne
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 11:23 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Doors coming off
Isn't the idea of the taper to the outside, to ensure capture of the
block and thereafter apply a leverage to firmly pull the door closed and
into alignment?
John 40315
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Thursday, 10 April 2008 2:08 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Doors coming off
The original prototype door on N410RV incurred damage during a x-cnty
airshow trip to Colorado. As I remember the canopy and door assemblies
off N220RV were removed as a quick fix and integral completed "total
unit" as a Second Iteration prototype build and used to repair N410RV.
All of the early kits going back to Randy s/n 006 and John Nys s/n 047
were the 220RV Gen II type. I believe 416EC s/n 416 was still this
same type. Since then, several improvements (alternations have been
included) aftermarket which is the thrill of this group, the open
discussion, the talent of the individuals and the desire to pursue
excellence in build.
Tim did an excellent explanation on the Taper. I am opposed to what I
believe is in the plans (that should be nothing new to anyone). The
Strike plate idea is a corrective measure for the high likelihood that
operators will try to close a door with the aft pin partially extended.
My review of the 416EC pictures shows an alignment and strike issue with
the Pilot's plate. I believe that other than in Tim's "safety locked"
scenario this system might allow an opening or movement at a critical
point in time. The Rack systems should not allow continued retraction
of an engaged pin during flight. I believe the taper needs to be
oriented to the interior never the exterior. I believe the pin needs to
be "fully" engaged into the metal door pillar. I believe the UMHD is
not adequate for a long term receptacle. The view of 416EC showed
significant stress forces on the mounting hardware. I believe a
handhold which pulls the door down and closed positively even with a
door ajar "in-flight" is a wise design change.
Within this body of personal opinion are several quality improvements
which need universal illumination. For those with the second
generation door & latch (220RV). I would like to see 416EC the last
RV-10 to ever suffer latch release and premature door departure in
flight.
Pilots are human, mistakes happen, the door handle might not always get
"safety latched" and remain so. The secondary latch on the leading edge
or a boldly relocated hinge set like on Cirrus can sure get the
discussion stirred.
Let's keep the sharp eyes focused at SNF and less mud on the field.
There is lots to learn. Think Safety, Fly Safe.
John C.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 8:24 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Doors coming off
Vans did have an issue with a door early on with 410RV. I don't know
the specifics but I think John C might. Hopefully he will chime in. I
don't know if the door came off or not but they did have a door related
issue. I think it was while going to/from Osh or some other eastern
states flyin.
Ben Westfall
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and
Susie McGough
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 7:56 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Doors coming off
Guys are we 100% sure that the doors that have come off were latched
corectly where they go into the fuse frames.
Are we sure that the door handles were closed properly and in the locked
position?
.
Remember the tunnel heat problem, some have the problem but most do not.
I would think Vans 10 would have close to 1000 hours on it , why has the
door not come off?? Does someone live close to Vans that can have a look
and maybe do some measuring ?
I am absolutely not saying there is no problem just need some facts
I have written to Vans to the engieering department to see what they say
regards Chris
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It's interesting that this thread is sticking around so long this
time...that's good, it breeds awareness.
First, in regards to the problem, those (I've read this a.m.'s
posts already) who are saying that the issue is an alignment
issue, are correct. The problem is, the door handle is forward
on the door, and when you pull in to close it, the front of the
door pulls in, but the back doesn't pull in as far. So, then
you go to latch it, and the back pin hits the nylon block or
the door frame.
Thinner door seals might help. I can't say I'm unhappy with
the ones that came with the kit though, because they seal very
well...never had a plane with such well sealed doors. But,
yes, with thinner seals this issue could be helped a bit.
One of the big improvements would be to have a pull handle
centered on the door, or a secondary pull handle on the aft
part of the door. The problem there is that, while I'm
a chunky monkey, I'm still under 40, and yet it isn't
super easy to twist around with the seat in the way, to
pull a handle in. So you're still going to have to take
care.
In short, this problem exists because of the way you pull
the door shut, and requires that you pull it shut nicely
before you try to engage the pins. To me, if you still
have all of the OTHER components left the same, you're
still going to have a hard time regardless of if you use
the rivethead pins or the standard, because you NEED to
get the alignment good before you try to latch, or the
pins hit the block and you get a nasty noise. This is
NOT a dig on them, because I see benefits to their system.
But, the video that was originally put out, where they
dropped the door in place and latched it, is a little
misleading, because if you have nice tightly sealed
door seals, latching it won't be as easy as pictured.
I'd love to fly in a plane with alternative door seals to
see how tight they seal, and then perhaps I'd consider
them, but I am thus far happy with the standard ones
because of the sealing.
John A, thanks for your description of the installation.
Very much appreciated. I'm still not 100% comfortable
with having the threaded area anywhere near the spot
that if cracked, would cause the major failure, but at
least it gives me a little more comfort. Ideally, to me,
those pins would be very long and done before you build
the door completely. But, I would have a harder time
installing those anyway.
John C, I appreciate your discomfort with the taper, but
really, I think the pins at least need a bullet nose to
aid in centering. The taper is probably overkill, but I
don't think an opposite taper would do any more than cause
more damage...a bullet tip is probably the ideal. Certainly,
without the taper I have now, given the standard install,
I would not have had good luck with an opposite taper...I
would have even worse paint chip issues.
Wayne H, You're right on with the reasons...good job.
Now, a couple other topics....
1) RE: front hinges. Not a bad concept. But, I think
it would be much harder to design a robust strong and
light door with strong enough hinges, and you'd have
to be really careful when the door sags or you could crack
it. Better? From a door flying off standpoint, sure, but
it definitely would require more care, and a totally overall
stronger design, more expense, and all that. So I can see
why Van's opted for what they did.
2) Re: Closing Doors. Personally, other than my wife, I
try never to ALLOW anyone else to close and latch my doors.
On one of my earlier flights, a co-worker reached up, grabbed
the door, and SLAM! Slammed it down...thinking it was auto
latching like a car door. That sent shivers down my spine,
so after that I decided to inconvenience my passengers and
insist on me latching it. Also, one of the nice things I
did during the build was go real slow in trimming that drip
edge on the sides of the door. What this did for me is
make the side gap almost NOTHING if the door is closed
tightly. So, in my plane, it's ABSOLUTELY visible by
a quick glance if you have the door in the proper position
to latch, and it's closed tight. If the pin is out of the
hole, you'd have a HUGE gap. So yeah, some really
sloppy door checks are what caused the door departures.
3) Latching: The latching mechanism itself I'm plenty
happy with. If someone wanted to add a secondary latch,
fine, not a bad idea for the most part. Ideally I'd
rather see a vertical pin in the door bottom as a 3rd
latch point, that latches along automatically with the
other points. But, as I said before, if you have a
positive "click" latching system, and you latch it right,
you should be good to go.
For what it's worth, once mine is latched, I don't detect
any for/aft or other movement. They're just tight.
The latching is positive and I have zero worries of a
properly latched door being released because of the
handle being pulled.
Whatever you do, try to use your utmost craftsmanship when
you do the door latches. From time to time I see RV-10's
where you can tell they didn't take the care on some of
the glass-related items. But the doors, try to do a
great job at least on the latches.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
John W. Cox wrote:
> The original prototype door on N410RV incurred damage during a x-cnty
> airshow trip to Colorado. As I remember the canopy and door assemblies
> off N220RV were removed as a quick fix and integral completed total
> unit as a Second Iteration prototype build and used to repair N410RV.
> All of the early kits going back to Randy s/n 006 and John Nys s/n 047
> were the 220RV Gen II type. I believe 416EC s/n 416 was still this
> same type. Since then, several improvements (alternations have been
> included) aftermarket which is the thrill of this group, the open
> discussion, the talent of the individuals and the desire to pursue
> excellence in build.
>
>
>
> Tim did an excellent explanation on the Taper. I am opposed to what I
> believe is in the plans (that should be nothing new to anyone). The
> Strike plate idea is a corrective measure for the high likelihood that
> operators will try to close a door with the aft pin partially extended.
> My review of the 416EC pictures shows an alignment and strike issue
> with the Pilots plate. I believe that other than in Tims safety
> locked scenario this system might allow an opening or movement at a
> critical point in time. The Rack systems should not allow continued
> retraction of an engaged pin during flight. I believe the taper needs
> to be oriented to the interior never the exterior. I believe the pin
> needs to be fully engaged into the metal door pillar. I believe the
> UMHD is not adequate for a long term receptacle. The view of 416EC
> showed significant stress forces on the mounting hardware. I believe a
> handhold which pulls the door down and closed positively even with a
> door ajar in-flight is a wise design change.
>
>
>
> Within this body of personal opinion are several quality improvements
> which need universal illumination. For those with the second
> generation door & latch (220RV). I would like to see 416EC the last
> RV-10 to ever suffer latch release and premature door departure in flight.
>
>
>
> Pilots are human, mistakes happen, the door handle might not always get
> safety latched and remain so. The secondary latch on the leading edge
> or a boldly relocated hinge set like on Cirrus can sure get the
> discussion stirred.
>
>
>
> Lets keep the sharp eyes focused at SNF and less mud on the field.
> There is lots to learn. Think Safety, Fly Safe.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Doors coming off |
I don't see the point, in a plane. yeah, I get your
point on an auto-latching house door latch....you HAVE to
have the taper inward to push in the latch when you close
it. So sure, there it makes perfect sense.
On the RV-10, the taper helps correct slight misalignment
and bring the door tighter....that's not a bad thing.
I think a bullet tip is even better, but you're never
going to be able to pull the door TOO far in, so the
taper on the inside of the pin will never assist you
in doing anything.
So I guess we disagree here. The taper itself isn't
an, or THE issue....the issue is you NEED to have plenty
of pin sticking through the door frame...and you would
want at least some of the pin captured by the frame
to NOT have a taper on it, so you have the full
strength of a complete round section of tubing. If it
weren't for the fact that the alignment would suck,
a square cut tubing piece would work ok too...and would
probably be ideal. A solid round rod, like a dead
bolt.
So I guess I don't think the taper is something to
make an issue of, other than to keep it fairly short
so you have plenty of length of full-strength tubing.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
John W. Cox wrote:
> Im sure they will say Yes. Check any lockset or latchset for the logic
> of tapered pins on any door of a residential or commercial building.
> The only exception I can think of is an armory or bank vault door. I
> still stand my the logic for the taper to go opposite the plan. Oh yeh,
> and the pins to be fully retracted before a closure attempt. Just think
> of a deadbolt doing damage if not retracted.
>
>
>
> John C
>
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I remember my first instructor lecturing me (30+ years ago) about not getti
ng rattled if a door opens in flight because it is just noisy and an inconv
enience. In over 2500+ hrs in taildraggers to twins, both exp. and certif
ied, I have experienced at least half a dozen inflight doors openings. Som
e were my fault, some mechanical and one just a passenger waking up from a
nap and opening the door in the process of stretching out.
The point is that doors open in flight multiple times every day with out in
cident. No matter how good the latch is designed, at some point it is like
ly that the door will come unlatched in flight. Think about the wear issue
when the airframe times get into the multiple thousand hours. While I am
partial to retract landing gear, I know the insurance rates show that gear
up landings are a given. There are several warning systems around that see
m to have no effect on the accident rate and no one has figured out a mecha
nical way to eliminate the problem. There are plenty of possible failures
that can cause serious damage or worse, a door unlatch should not be one of
them. On the 10, this problem is compounded by the fact the door lacks th
e stiffness to stay shut if only one pin is not in. The failure of the top
latch in Pipers is routine, but is not even worth stopping for.
I think we need a help from Vans to come up with a solution that really sol
ves the whole problem. If I had not already spent so much time building an
d fitting the doors, I might have just attached the pilot side door permane
ntly and cut the risk in half. I am truly a Vans fan am looking forward to
flying SN 40154. Airplanes are fairly complex and every one of them has s
omething that gets changed or improved. RV-10 doors are not as serious as
Bonanza V tails (one of my favorites), which ultimately turned out to be a
cheap and easy fix. It took a long time and the lives of several people be
fore Beech could admit the problem and send out the fix.
Sorry for rambling
Jim McLaughlin
40154.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Special |
The current word is that Vans has sold out the four engines and three
more. Lycoming has allowed Vans to keep taking orders at that
price... I have no idea how much longer it will last.
On Apr 9, 2008, at 7:46 PM, Pascal wrote:
> Main page on bottom (scroll down)
> http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/open/Lyc-snf.jpg
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Cram
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 5:56 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Special
>
> where did u find these one the site
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff Carpenter
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 6:11 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: Engine Special
>
> <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>
> Vans has a nice discount on three (was four, but I just bought one)
> XIO-540-D4A5 engines just posted on the website.
>
> On your marks... get set... go!
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine stop tests. |
I may be mistaken but I beleive that you need 1700+ RPM to get the prop to
change pitch, in any direction, regardless of the oil pressure. I understoo
d the govenor needed the 1700 rpm to function and=C2-allow the oil pressu
re to vary the pitch.
Rick Sked
40185
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From: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@cableone.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2008 8:31:00 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine stop tests.
Bill,
=C2-=C2-=C2- This info is based on my understanding of the props, if
I=99m off base someone please chime in.=C2- Doesn=99t that ma
ke you feel confident about what I=99m about to write ;)
The non-reversing constant speed props (like on the -10) are designed to go
flat pitch in the event of a loss of oil pressure.=C2- The main concern
is if you have to execute a go-around or steep climb you want the high RPM
available for performance. =C2-=C2-
I think what you are experiencing is simply increased thrust by going more
coarse on the pitch while there=99s still oil pressure.=C2- Once th
e prop stops I seriously doubt there is a significant difference in drag be
tween flat and coarse pitch.=C2- =C2-So first, I don=99t think yo
u can control the pitch as the engine quits and second I don=99t thin
k it would make a difference.
Marcus
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill DeRouchey
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 11:10 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine stop tests.
Something that=C2-I was playing with (experimenting is too strong a word)
=C2-is when the engine dies (in my case idling)=C2-and is still turning
=C2-- if you pull the prop out the RV10 takes a leap forward. Does the gl
ide range increase with the prop all the way out? Is this in fact the stand
ard emergency procedure with a constant speed prop?
It seems that the engine turning would power the oil pump and could turn th
e blades to full coarse decreasing the drag.
Any comments? My previous=C2-constant speed prop experience was just suff
icient to get my high performance signoff.
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB, flying
"John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> wrote:
Fabulous detail and invaluable research. We need more of this stuff and
less accident reporting. By the way, did you go with the stock James
engine cowl?
The Warbirds acts as breathtaking as the setting at Wanaka. See you for
OSH '08.
John
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neil & Sarah
Colliver
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 10:48 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Engine stop tests.
Hi
I would like to report on some tests we did this evening.
We wanted to know what would happen when the engine stops. In flight!
We have a Barratts IO540, standard compression, with the MT 3 blade
prop, dual mags.
The object of the exercise was to see just what happens when the fuel
runs out in one tank, and how easy it is to re-start.
First exercise was to practise some forced landings in case we really
couldn't restart it. So complete with clearance from our local
Airforce base, and with one of their squadron leaders in the right
hand seat, the tower fully briefed on what we were doing, off we set
to 5000ft.
There was a relatively strong wind of about 35 knots at 2000ft & 25
gusting 30 on the ground . So we came up a bit short (just a bit) on
the runway. I was reminded then that I need to practice forced
landings from all heights, not just pattern (or circuit) height.
Then it was back up to 5000ft.
Cool the engine a bit, then ( all in controlled airspace I hasten to
add), we cut mixture to full idle cut off. The engine just kept on
going at about 500 rpm in the glide at about 80 knots or so, so
eventually with full flap, and mushing down at about 55 knots, we
managed to finally get it to stop. It's certainly odd seeing the prop
stopped, and the ground so far below. Yes we do know that it is less
than ideal for the prop to drive the engine, but we wanted to do the
tests. There is no doubt that if the engine stops, the glide rate is
about 200 ft/m better with the prop in full course.
So it was full rich, full fine, and about 1/2 inch. Fuel pump on, a
flick of the starter and away it went. So no problems there at all.
The next test was a bit harder, because we wanted to check if we could
start the engine without the starter (just in case of a flat battery /
broken starter etc.) I've had two occasions where the engine started,
but the starter failed in the process. So I was unable to restart.
With the prop stopped again, we went flaps up, full rich,full fine,
1/2 inch on the throttle and entered a dive.
The prop looked as if someone was trying to hand swing it (though at
4500ft and rapidly decreasing, that was unlikely!)
After a few seconds it finally passed TDC, then again, and eventually
it did restart after having lost about 2600ft, and at a speed of about
130-150 knots.
Very quickly it builds up revs, so pulling back on stick & throttle we
were quickly under control. But it is not something you will get away
with under 3000ft.
Our final test was to deliberately run out of fuel. With plenty in the
other tank!
So we simply cruised around for a further 15 mins or so, until finally
the engine cooughed & spluttered. There was plenty of time to switch
pump on and change tanks and away she went. So no dramas at all.
Having completed our tests it was back up to 7000ft t play on the
overcast for a short while.
So in conclusion, there is nothing to be feared about running a tank
dry. So long as the starter works, or you have sufficient height.
However, if you have totally run out of fuel, it will happily continue
to turn. So bearing in mind =C2- =C2- http://www.matronics.com/Navigato
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Wayne,
I'm not so sure it's slop in the hinge, the door just twists or flexes too
easily. Now maybe a set of guide pins that engage the door sill, pointing s
traight into the cabin from the outside may be a good option. With close to
lerance's this would stop forward and aft movement of the door and align it
in the correct position for latching as long as the door was completely cl
osed and flush.
Rick Sked
40185
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From: "Wayne Hadath" <whadath@rogers.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 5:10:16 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV10-List Digest: 60 Msgs - 04/09/08
Fellow Builders
I am in the process of=C2-working on the doors and the=C2-main problem
I see is that the alignment of the door is controlled by the hinge placemen
t. In my set of hinges there was 1/32 of side play which I shimmed out. If
the hinges are installed=C2-precisely=C2-then the door drops down and c
loses into the correct position.The only time the door is guided into posit
ion is on the last 1/4 inches of travel when the bevelled door edges come i
nto contact with the fuselage. Now in the ideal setting which I guess would
be wings off, precisely bushed and installed hinges and standing on the fl
oor outside the aircraft while closing the door, all things work beautifull
y. But, in real life you will sitting inside the aircraft so there will be
no visual references to help guide the door, there will be a hinges/pin mec
hanism that is forever wearing and causing more play (fore and aft movement
of the door) and when you close the door you will be relying to a large ex
tent on that last 1/4 inch bevel to guide the door into the correct positio
n. I am not comfortable with relying on the last 1/4 inch. In my opinion th
e major mod that should be made is a method of guiding the door into it's c
orrect position. The guide should come into play long before the last 1/4 i
nch.=C2-I am making my door in such a way that it is guided into the corr
ect position and it will be impossible to throw the pins if the door is not
properly seated. I believe=C2- that the latching =C2-mechanism is adeq
uate but mods to the receiver area and to the pin ends can easily be made i
n any shop.
Doors!!! and I thought building a canopy was a pain!
Wayne Hadath
F1 Rocket C-FAUH
250 hours
RV 10 Fusealge top and doors.
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12. 07:05 AM - Re: Air field flow for the 10 (Bobby J. Hughes)
13. 07:42 AM - Re: NVFR avionics help (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
14. 08:35 AM - Re: RV Grin (Deems Davis)
15. 08:49 AM - Re: Door handles (Steven DiNieri)
16. 08:54 AM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (SteinAir, Inc.)
17. 08:58 AM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Steven DiNieri)
18. 09:12 AM - Re: Engine stop tests. (Bill DeRouchey)
19. 09:26 AM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
20. 09:46 AM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (Tim Olson)
21. 09:49 AM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (Tim Olson)
22. 10:07 AM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (John W. Cox)
23. 11:24 AM - Re: Engine stop tests. (Neil & Sarah Colliver)
24. 11:43 AM - Re: Re: P-Mag! (Larry Rosen)
25. 01:04 PM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (John Ackerman)
26. 02:59 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Scott Schmidt)
27. 03:02 PM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (Patrick Thyssen)
28. 03:14 PM - Engine Special (Jeff Carpenter)
29. 03:24 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Tim Olson)
30. 03:39 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Rene Felker)
31. 03:40 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (PJ Seipel)
32. 03:41 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes ()
33. 03:47 PM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (McGANN, Ron)
34. 03:54 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Deems Davis)
35. 04:07 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Bob Leffler)
36. 04:51 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Steven DiNieri)
37. 05:09 PM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (John W. Cox)
38. 05:15 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (John W. Cox)
39. 05:24 PM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (John W. Cox)
40. 05:48 PM - Re: AFS Systems (Rick Sked)
41. 05:59 PM - Re: Engine Special (John Cram)
42. 06:30 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (David McNeill)
43. 06:32 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Larry Rosen)
44. 06:51 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (David McNeill)
45. 07:03 PM - Re: Re: P-Mag! (Jesse Saint)
46. 07:49 PM - Re: Engine Special (Pascal)
47. 07:54 PM - Re: Door handles (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
48. 07:58 PM - Doors coming off (Chris and Susie McGough)
49. 08:04 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Rick Sked)
50. 08:14 PM - Re: Doors coming off (Tim Olson)
51. 08:26 PM - Re: Doors coming off (Ben Westfall)
52. 08:33 PM - Re: Engine stop tests. (Marcus Cooper)
53. 08:35 PM - Re: RV Grin (Marcus Cooper)
54. 08:42 PM - Re: Doors coming off (David McNeill)
55. 09:11 PM - Re: Doors coming off (John W. Cox)
56. 09:15 PM - Re: Engine stop tests. (John W. Cox)
57. 09:33 PM - Re: Doors coming off (Perry, Phil)
58. 10:36 PM - Re: Doors coming off (Kelly McMullen)
59. 10:59 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (John Ackerman)
60. 11:25 PM - Re: Doors coming off (John Dunne)
________________________________ Message 1 ________________________________
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Time: 12:45:08 AM PST US
From: "Chris and Susie McGough"
Subject: RV10-List: ATP plug
Just recieved visors from Aviation Tech Products. Came within 10 days to
Australia and answered all questions .
Great service.
Chris 388
________________________________ Message 2 ________________________________
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Time: 12:58:06 AM PST US
From: "Steven DiNieri"
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
When I went to install a set in my rv10, I modified them to be much easier
to install. After seeing my mods coupled with the shipping delays I was
asked to reproduce a similar product by a few builders. I think they are a
very good anchor for the door rods to latch into, and should add a margin o
f
strength to the latch mech. I do offer them on my website (available
immediately ;) sorry for the commercial announcement, I just want all to
know there are options...
Steve dinieri
Iflyrv10.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 12:59 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
>
>
> I cannot imagine why anyone flying an RV10 does not install
> the very excellent Rivethead door pins. They are tedious to
> install and adjust, but they are really sweet and center the
> closure on the door giving a positive feel when closing your
> door plus the whole install feels very strong
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust
> Q/B Kit - Ready to exit cabin top/door purgatory
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175658#175658
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 3 ________________________________
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Time: 01:08:32 AM PST US
From: "Steven DiNieri"
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door handles
Michael, i have been offering a handle kit similar to the Hendricks, but in
a complete kit form, thinner in profile, specifically designed for the rv10
.
My design allows the latching system to remain in place as vans designed.
when i started designing the handles the primary idea was to leave all the
door latch mech alone. my handles simply replace the outside handle, just i
n
a different position. they also allow standard lock cylinders for locking
(just like the Hendricks) and i am introducing on the website this week a
flush stainless lock system for all rv10's. easily installed into even
flying aircraft.
sorry to toot my own horn, but with all the talk about door and latches and
the importance of such systems i just want all to know there are options...
Steven dinieri
iflyrv10.com
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:33 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Door handles
With all the talk about the doors I've been doing some thinking regarding
the factory setup vs the aftermarket handles. I like the flush look and
operation of the handles like Hendricks and others but the lack of a
positive locking detent really makes me nervous.
I also want a way to lock the doors so they can't be opened by any
passerby. The is especially important with the TSA rumblings that all GA
aircraft must have locked doors. It's not a law yet but I wouldn't be
surprised to see it conceded to stop something bigger. Frankly having the
kind of investment in these aircraft that we do it's a bit silly to not hav
e
the doors locked somehow. I know, if a thief really wants in he will get
in. But a thief also isn't going to stop at a plane with locks if a better
target is around or if it will take too long or be too noticeable to
circumvent them.
So to that end someone had posted a while back a way to make a baggage
door lock work with the standard Van's door handles. Anyone still have the
links to that?
Michael
________________________________ Message 4 ________________________________
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Time: 03:37:57 AM PST US
From: "Bob Leffler"
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door handles
Steven,
I see that you've added many new products to your site. The elevator trim
bracket and the aluminum door guides caught my eye. Are you reselling
Rivethead-Aero's product or are you manufacturing these yourself?
Thanks,
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven DiNieri
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 4:06 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door handles
Michael, i have been offering a handle kit similar to the Hendricks, but in
a complete kit form, thinner in profile, specifically designed for the rv10
.
My design allows the latching system to remain in place as vans designed.
when i started designing the handles the primary idea was to leave all the
door latch mech alone. my handles simply replace the outside handle, just i
n
a different position. they also allow standard lock cylinders for locking
(just like the Hendricks) and i am introducing on the website this week a
flush stainless lock system for all rv10's. easily installed into even
flying aircraft.
sorry to toot my own horn, but with all the talk about door and latches and
the importance of such systems i just want all to know there are options...
Steven dinieri
iflyrv10.com
________________________________ Message 5 ________________________________
_____
Time: 04:12:40 AM PST US
From: "Bob Leffler"
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV Grin
Great news Gary!
I'm looking forward to seeing you, Brenda, and both your RVs this summer.
My wife is definitely coming and is anxious to meet all the RV-10 spouses.
Please let us know how your Phase I goes.
See ya in 109 days!
bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 8:07 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV Grin
N204GS flew for the first time today. I have been telling folks that it
would be done on Tuesday ever since I started building. The airplane flew
perfectly.
Gary
40274
________________________________ Message 6 ________________________________
_____
Time: 04:52:06 AM PST US
From: Rodger Todd
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: NVFR avionics help
Hi Chris,
You'll need to replace (or add to) the SL-40 with an SL-30 which will give
you
a TSO'd VOR/LOC/GS. To this you will have to add an MD200 series CDI to mai
ntain
the TSO.
Why don't you contact Jake (can't find his e-mail address at the moment) to
confirm
that you don't need anything else avionics wise? Also why noit try the Oz
RV Yahoo group site?
Looking forward to hearing about the first flight - Spring is in the air!
Rodger
--- On Wed, 9/4/08, Chris and Susie McGough wrote:
> From: Chris and Susie McGough
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: NVFR avionics help
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, 9 April, 2008, 8:13 AM
> McGough"
>
> Mike ....my 10 is just about ready to fly and as per email
> you can see my
> current setup and wanted to go from there.
>
> thanks anyway regards Chris
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "AirMike"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 3:39 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: NVFR avionics help
>
>
> "AirMike"
> >
> > Obviously you are going through the time consuming
> process of panel
> > planning. After beating around the bush for 2 months,
> I went with the SL30
> > as most of the threads here also indicate. I tried for
> a long time to save
> > the extra two thousand plus dollars on the SL40 (radio
> only). I finally
> > realized that it was false economy. Yes(Ron) you do
> need the additional
> > CDI and Glide slope lights. The AFS3500 has (built in)
> the CDI indicators
> > for guidance but you also need an audio panel for the
> Marker Beacon
> > lights. Yes that is another $1000. My panel is being
> finished by the very
> > nice folks at Aerotronics in Billings, MT. While I
> have not yet received
> > the panel, I am very impressed with the excellent
> customer interaction and
> > pro-active approach that Aerotronic takes. I got three
> bids on my panel,
> > but went with them on my intuition and the advice of a
> member of the EAA
> > advisory panel. I will give another report after I P/U
> the panel later
> > this month. This is my thinking that this a a !
> > serous NVFR panel and will get me out of trouble if
> caught in IFR
> > conditions. It seem to be a very cost effective setup.
> Probably could save
> > more with Dynon
> >
> > AFS3500 (1x)
> > Garmin SL30 Nav/Com
> > Garmin 327 Mode "C" Transponder
> > Garmin 340 Audio
> > Garmin 496
> > Digiflight II VS
> > Trutrak B/U ADI Backup 2.25"
> > UMA Altimeter Backup 2.25"
> > UMA A/S Backup 2.25"
> > Xaon XRX TCAS Beta (talks to 496)
> > PAI Vertical Card compass
> >
> > --------
> > OSH '08 or Bust
> > Q/B Kit - Ready to exit cabin top/door purgatory
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> >
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175661#175661
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
___________________________________________________________
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________________________________ Message 7 ________________________________
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Time: 05:16:30 AM PST US
From: "John Testement"
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
Steve,
How much for a set?
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Painting
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven DiNieri
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 3:55 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
When I went to install a set in my rv10, I modified them to be much easier
to install. After seeing my mods coupled with the shipping delays I was
asked to reproduce a similar product by a few builders. I think they are a
very good anchor for the door rods to latch into, and should add a margin o
f
strength to the latch mech. I do offer them on my website (available
immediately ;) sorry for the commercial announcement, I just want all to
know there are options...
Steve dinieri
Iflyrv10.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 12:59 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
>
>
> I cannot imagine why anyone flying an RV10 does not install the very
> excellent Rivethead door pins. They are tedious to install and adjust,
> but they are really sweet and center the closure on the door giving a
> positive feel when closing your door plus the whole install feels very
> strong
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust
> Q/B Kit - Ready to exit cabin top/door purgatory
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175658#175658
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
Checked by AVG.
7:10 AM
Checked by AVG.
7:10 AM
________________________________ Message 8 ________________________________
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Time: 05:18:16 AM PST US
From: "gary"
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV Grin
Like all builders, I need to tackle the honey-do list. I have been lax in
that area.
Gary
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV Grin
Congratulations Gary! That's fantastic news. Now, since you like building
so much, what is the next project going to be? :-)
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Apr 8, 2008, at 7:07 PM, gary wrote:
N204GS flew for the first time today. I have been telling folks that it
would be done on Tuesday ever since I started building. The airplane flew
perfectly.
Gary
40274
________________________________ Message 9 ________________________________
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Time: 06:16:35 AM PST US
From: "gary"
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV Grin
Unlike Deems I am not a very good documenter of my work, but here are a few
pix.
Gary
40274
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Testement
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 11:07 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV Grin
Congratulations Gary - let's see some more pix.
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Painting
do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 8:07 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV Grin
N204GS flew for the first time today. I have been telling folks that it
would be done on Tuesday ever since I started building. The airplane flew
perfectly.
Gary
40274
4/8/2008 7:30 AM
Checked by AVG.
4/8/2008 7:30 AM
________________________________ Message 10 _______________________________
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Time: 06:44:10 AM PST US
Subject: RV10-List: Re: P-Mag!
From: "marcausman"
I've had them for about 320 hours on my RV-7. Early on I had two failures a
nd a
third (which was my fault, you have to be very careful making the ignition
wires).
So I replaced one with a slick mag. The difference between the slick mag
and the p-mag are very obvious when running the engine on only one mag (for
testing, run-up etc.). Along the way, Brad and Tom were very helpful.
More importantly, though, the last 160 hours or so have been flawless. So I
can
only deduce that they've worked out the bugs, at least based on my experien
ce.
If and when I build an RV-10 I'll put them on for sure.
--------
Marc Ausman
http://www.verticalpower.com
RV-7 IO-390 Flying
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175686#175686
________________________________ Message 11 _______________________________
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Time: 06:56:46 AM PST US
From: "Pascal"
Subject: RV10-List: 2 blade Hartzell- SnF attendees
SnF Attendees;
http://www.hartzellprop.com/pressroom/pr_htm/pr_11_09_07.htm
Could someone walk over to Hartzell and ask if the 2 blade Carbon blade
would be a good option for the RV-10? If so what would be needed to get
one? I am thinking although it's for the Diamond DA40 now, Hartzell may
provide it for other aircraft as well. Since the three blade is in the
Cirrus this blade may very well work for us.
Thanks!
Pascal
________________________________ Message 12 _______________________________
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Time: 07:05:09 AM PST US
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Air field flow for the 10
From: "Bobby J. Hughes"
Bob,
RV6 pressure plot attached. The pressure areas on our 10's should be
very similar if your using the stock cowl. The pressure does change
depending on angle of attack. Here is another good site with lots of
pressure data. Different airframe but the basic principles apply.
http://www.melmoth2.com/
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I bought one this morning. Van's staff advised that Lycoming was making more available.
I emailed my forms to Van's, called in a credit card deposit and got the three
blade MT prop as part of the package.
Wonderful timing as I arrived at Sun and Fun today fully intending to buy a Mattituck
at $39,200 less $600 show special.
Van's price included shipping and took another $1000 off for the prop bundle.
So today was a great day under the theory that I didn't spend as much as Iwas thinking
I'd have to.
Now,..... on to avionics with all the saved money.
Tom H.
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Another thing to look for on the front pins is the length of the bevel.
Van's precut bevel is the same for both front and rear. The front bevel
effectively requires an insertion of about .75" just to have a full diameter
of tube in the door jamb . I am going to remake the front pins using a new
set of rear pins cut to size for the front with a much shorter bevel. In
addition since there is already a tapped tube I will insert a 5/16"
stainless steel set screw with an allen wrench to a depth where the portion
of the tube which penetrates the door jamb will be solid aluminum and steel.
Also in case anyone is wondering, I contacted the NTSB and verbally
confirmed that for both 410MR and 210HM both doors were at the crash site.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 3:10 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Door closing
Wayne,
I'm not so sure it's slop in the hinge, the door just twists or flexes too
easily. Now maybe a set of guide pins that engage the door sill, pointing
straight into the cabin from the outside may be a good option. With close
tolerance's this would stop forward and aft movement of the door and align
it in the correct position for latching as long as the door was completely
closed and flush.
Rick Sked
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne Hadath" <whadath@rogers.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 5:10:16 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV10-List Digest: 60 Msgs - 04/09/08
Fellow Builders
I am in the process of working on the doors and the main problem I see is
that the alignment of the door is controlled by the hinge placement. In my
set of hinges there was 1/32 of side play which I shimmed out. If the hinges
are installed precisely then the door drops down and closes into the correct
position.The only time the door is guided into position is on the last 1/4
inches of travel when the bevelled door edges come into contact with the
fuselage. Now in the ideal setting which I guess would be wings off,
precisely bushed and installed hinges and standing on the floor outside the
aircraft while closing the door, all things work beautifully. But, in real
life you will sitting inside the aircraft so there will be no visual
references to help guide the door, there will be a hinges/pin mechanism that
is forever wearing and causing more play (fore and aft movement of the door)
and when you close the door you will be relying to a large extent on that
last 1/4 inch bevel to guide the door into the correct position. I am not
comfortable with relying on the last 1/4 inch. In my opinion the major mod
that should be made is a method of guiding the door into it's correct
position. The guide should come into play long before the last 1/4 inch. I
am making my door in such a way that it is guided into the correct position
and it will be impossible to throw the pins if the door is not properly
seated. I believe that the latching mechanism is adequate but mods to the
receiver area and to the pin ends can easily be made in any shop.
Doors!!! and I thought building a canopy was a pain!
Wayne Hadath
F1 Rocket C-FAUH
250 hours
RV 10 Fusealge top and doors.
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1. 12:45 AM - ATP plug (Chris and Susie McGough)
2. 12:58 AM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Steven DiNieri)
3. 01:08 AM - Re: Door handles (Steven DiNieri)
4. 03:37 AM - Re: Door handles (Bob Leffler)
5. 04:12 AM - Re: RV Grin (Bob Leffler)
6. 04:52 AM - Re: Re: NVFR avionics help (Rodger Todd)
7. 05:16 AM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (John Testement)
8. 05:18 AM - Re: RV Grin (gary)
9. 06:16 AM - Re: RV Grin (gary)
10. 06:44 AM - Re: P-Mag! (marcausman)
11. 06:56 AM - 2 blade Hartzell- SnF attendees (Pascal)
12. 07:05 AM - Re: Air field flow for the 10 (Bobby J. Hughes)
13. 07:42 AM - Re: NVFR avionics help (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
14. 08:35 AM - Re: RV Grin (Deems Davis)
15. 08:49 AM - Re: Door handles (Steven DiNieri)
16. 08:54 AM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (SteinAir, Inc.)
17. 08:58 AM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Steven DiNieri)
18. 09:12 AM - Re: Engine stop tests. (Bill DeRouchey)
19. 09:26 AM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
20. 09:46 AM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (Tim Olson)
21. 09:49 AM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (Tim Olson)
22. 10:07 AM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (John W. Cox)
23. 11:24 AM - Re: Engine stop tests. (Neil & Sarah Colliver)
24. 11:43 AM - Re: Re: P-Mag! (Larry Rosen)
25. 01:04 PM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (John Ackerman)
26. 02:59 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Scott Schmidt)
27. 03:02 PM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (Patrick Thyssen)
28. 03:14 PM - Engine Special (Jeff Carpenter)
29. 03:24 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Tim Olson)
30. 03:39 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Rene Felker)
31. 03:40 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (PJ Seipel)
32. 03:41 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes ()
33. 03:47 PM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (McGANN, Ron)
34. 03:54 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Deems Davis)
35. 04:07 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Bob Leffler)
36. 04:51 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Steven DiNieri)
37. 05:09 PM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (John W. Cox)
38. 05:15 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (John W. Cox)
39. 05:24 PM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (John W. Cox)
40. 05:48 PM - Re: AFS Systems (Rick Sked)
41. 05:59 PM - Re: Engine Special (John Cram)
42. 06:30 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (David McNeill)
43. 06:32 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Larry Rosen)
44. 06:51 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (David McNeill)
45. 07:03 PM - Re: Re: P-Mag! (Jesse Saint)
46. 07:49 PM - Re: Engine Special (Pascal)
47. 07:54 PM - Re: Door handles (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
48. 07:58 PM - Doors coming off (Chris and Susie McGough)
49. 08:04 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Rick Sked)
50. 08:14 PM - Re: Doors coming off (Tim Olson)
51. 08:26 PM - Re: Doors coming off (Ben Westfall)
52. 08:33 PM - Re: Engine stop tests. (Marcus Cooper)
53. 08:35 PM - Re: RV Grin (Marcus Cooper)
54. 08:42 PM - Re: Doors coming off (David McNeill)
55. 09:11 PM - Re: Doors coming off (John W. Cox)
56. 09:15 PM - Re: Engine stop tests. (John W. Cox)
57. 09:33 PM - Re: Doors coming off (Perry, Phil)
58. 10:36 PM - Re: Doors coming off (Kelly McMullen)
59. 10:59 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (John Ackerman)
60. 11:25 PM - Re: Doors coming off (John Dunne)
________________________________ Message 1
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Time: 12:45:08 AM PST US
From: "Chris and Susie McGough"
Subject: RV10-List: ATP plug
Just recieved visors from Aviation Tech Products. Came within 10 days to
Australia and answered all questions .
Great service.
Chris 388
________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
Time: 12:58:06 AM PST US
From: "Steven DiNieri"
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
When I went to install a set in my rv10, I modified them to be much easier
to install. After seeing my mods coupled with the shipping delays I was
asked to reproduce a similar product by a few builders. I think they are a
very good anchor for the door rods to latch into, and should add a margin of
strength to the latch mech. I do offer them on my website (available
immediately ;) sorry for the commercial announcement, I just want all to
know there are options...
Steve dinieri
Iflyrv10.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 12:59 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
>
>
> I cannot imagine why anyone flying an RV10 does not install
> the very excellent Rivethead door pins. They are tedious to
> install and adjust, but they are really sweet and center the
> closure on the door giving a positive feel when closing your
> door plus the whole install feels very strong
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust
> Q/B Kit - Ready to exit cabin top/door purgatory
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175658#175658
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 3
_____________________________________
Time: 01:08:32 AM PST US
From: "Steven DiNieri"
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door handles
Michael, i have been offering a handle kit similar to the Hendricks, but in
a complete kit form, thinner in profile, specifically designed for the rv10.
My design allows the latching system to remain in place as vans designed.
when i started designing the handles the primary idea was to leave all the
door latch mech alone. my handles simply replace the outside handle, just in
a different position. they also allow standard lock cylinders for locking
(just like the Hendricks) and i am introducing on the website this week a
flush stainless lock system for all rv10's. easily installed into even
flying aircraft.
sorry to toot my own horn, but with all the talk about door and latches and
the importance of such systems i just want all to know there are options...
Steven dinieri
iflyrv10.com
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:33 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Door handles
With all the talk about the doors I've been doing some thinking regarding
the factory setup vs the aftermarket handles. I like the flush look and
operation of the handles like Hendricks and others but the lack of a
positive locking detent really makes me nervous.
I also want a way to lock the doors so they can't be opened by any
passerby. The is especially important with the TSA rumblings that all GA
aircraft must have locked doors. It's not a law yet but I wouldn't be
surprised to see it conceded to stop something bigger. Frankly having the
kind of investment in these aircraft that we do it's a bit silly to not have
the doors locked somehow. I know, if a thief really wants in he will get
in. But a thief also isn't going to stop at a plane with locks if a better
target is around or if it will take too long or be too noticeable to
circumvent them.
So to that end someone had posted a while back a way to make a baggage
door lock work with the standard Van's door handles. Anyone still have the
links to that?
Michael
________________________________ Message 4
_____________________________________
Time: 03:37:57 AM PST US
From: "Bob Leffler"
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door handles
Steven,
I see that you've added many new products to your site. The elevator trim
bracket and the aluminum door guides caught my eye. Are you reselling
Rivethead-Aero's product or are you manufacturing these yourself?
Thanks,
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven DiNieri
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 4:06 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door handles
Michael, i have been offering a handle kit similar to the Hendricks, but in
a complete kit form, thinner in profile, specifically designed for the rv10.
My design allows the latching system to remain in place as vans designed.
when i started designing the handles the primary idea was to leave all the
door latch mech alone. my handles simply replace the outside handle, just in
a different position. they also allow standard lock cylinders for locking
(just like the Hendricks) and i am introducing on the website this week a
flush stainless lock system for all rv10's. easily installed into even
flying aircraft.
sorry to toot my own horn, but with all the talk about door and latches and
the importance of such systems i just want all to know there are options...
Steven dinieri
iflyrv10.com
________________________________ Message 5
_____________________________________
Time: 04:12:40 AM PST US
From: "Bob Leffler"
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV Grin
Great news Gary!
I'm looking forward to seeing you, Brenda, and both your RVs this summer.
My wife is definitely coming and is anxious to meet all the RV-10 spouses.
Please let us know how your Phase I goes.
See ya in 109 days!
bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 8:07 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV Grin
N204GS flew for the first time today. I have been telling folks that it
would be done on Tuesday ever since I started building. The airplane flew
perfectly.
Gary
40274
________________________________ Message 6
_____________________________________
Time: 04:52:06 AM PST US
From: Rodger Todd
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: NVFR avionics help
Hi Chris,
You'll need to replace (or add to) the SL-40 with an SL-30 which will give
you
a TSO'd VOR/LOC/GS. To this you will have to add an MD200 series CDI to
maintain
the TSO.
Why don't you contact Jake (can't find his e-mail address at the moment) to
confirm
that you don't need anything else avionics wise? Also why noit try the Oz
RV Yahoo group site?
Looking forward to hearing about the first flight - Spring is in the air!
Rodger
--- On Wed, 9/4/08, Chris and Susie McGough wrote:
> From: Chris and Susie McGough
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: NVFR avionics help
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, 9 April, 2008, 8:13 AM
> McGough"
>
> Mike ....my 10 is just about ready to fly and as per email
> you can see my
> current setup and wanted to go from there.
>
> thanks anyway regards Chris
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "AirMike"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 3:39 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: NVFR avionics help
>
>
> "AirMike"
> >
> > Obviously you are going through the time consuming
> process of panel
> > planning. After beating around the bush for 2 months,
> I went with the SL30
> > as most of the threads here also indicate. I tried for
> a long time to save
> > the extra two thousand plus dollars on the SL40 (radio
> only). I finally
> > realized that it was false economy. Yes(Ron) you do
> need the additional
> > CDI and Glide slope lights. The AFS3500 has (built in)
> the CDI indicators
> > for guidance but you also need an audio panel for the
> Marker Beacon
> > lights. Yes that is another $1000. My panel is being
> finished by the very
> > nice folks at Aerotronics in Billings, MT. While I
> have not yet received
> > the panel, I am very impressed with the excellent
> customer interaction and
> > pro-active approach that Aerotronic takes. I got three
> bids on my panel,
> > but went with them on my intuition and the advice of a
> member of the EAA
> > advisory panel. I will give another report after I P/U
> the panel later
> > this month. This is my thinking that this a a !
> > serous NVFR panel and will get me out of trouble if
> caught in IFR
> > conditions. It seem to be a very cost effective setup.
> Probably could save
> > more with Dynon
> >
> > AFS3500 (1x)
> > Garmin SL30 Nav/Com
> > Garmin 327 Mode "C" Transponder
> > Garmin 340 Audio
> > Garmin 496
> > Digiflight II VS
> > Trutrak B/U ADI Backup 2.25"
> > UMA Altimeter Backup 2.25"
> > UMA A/S Backup 2.25"
> > Xaon XRX TCAS Beta (talks to 496)
> > PAI Vertical Card compass
> >
> > --------
> > OSH '08 or Bust
> > Q/B Kit - Ready to exit cabin top/door purgatory
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> >
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175661#175661
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
___________________________________________________________
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________________________________ Message 7
_____________________________________
Time: 05:16:30 AM PST US
From: "John Testement"
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
Steve,
How much for a set?
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Painting
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven DiNieri
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 3:55 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
When I went to install a set in my rv10, I modified them to be much easier
to install. After seeing my mods coupled with the shipping delays I was
asked to reproduce a similar product by a few builders. I think they are a
very good anchor for the door rods to latch into, and should add a margin of
strength to the latch mech. I do offer them on my website (available
immediately ;) sorry for the commercial announcement, I just want all to
know there are options...
Steve dinieri
Iflyrv10.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 12:59 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
>
>
> I cannot imagine why anyone flying an RV10 does not install the very
> excellent Rivethead door pins. They are tedious to install and adjust,
> but they are really sweet and center the closure on the door giving a
> positive feel when closing your door plus the whole install feels very
> strong
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust
> Q/B Kit - Ready to exit cabin top/door purgatory
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175658#175658
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
Checked by AVG.
7:10 AM
Checked by AVG.
7:10 AM
________________________________ Message 8
_____________________________________
Time: 05:18:16 AM PST US
From: "gary"
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV Grin
Like all builders, I need to tackle the honey-do list. I have been lax in
that area.
Gary
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV Grin
Congratulations Gary! That's fantastic news. Now, since you like building
so much, what is the next project going to be? :-)
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Apr 8, 2008, at 7:07 PM, gary wrote:
N204GS flew for the first time today. I have been telling folks that it
would be done on Tuesday ever since I started building. The airplane flew
perfectly.
Gary
40274
________________________________ Message 9
_____________________________________
Time: 06:16:35 AM PST US
From: "gary"
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV Grin
Unlike Deems I am not a very good documenter of my work, but here are a few
pix.
Gary
40274
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Testement
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 11:07 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV Grin
Congratulations Gary - let's see some more pix.
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Painting
do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 8:07 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV Grin
N204GS flew for the first time today. I have been telling folks that it
would be done on Tuesday ever since I started building. The airplane flew
perfectly.
Gary
40274
4/8/2008 7:30 AM
Checked by AVG.
4/8/2008 7:30 AM
________________________________ Message 10
____________________________________
Time: 06:44:10 AM PST US
Subject: RV10-List: Re: P-Mag!
From: "marcausman"
I've had them for about 320 hours on my RV-7. Early on I had two failures
and a
third (which was my fault, you have to be very careful making the ignition
wires).
So I replaced one with a slick mag. The difference between the slick mag
and the p-mag are very obvious when running the engine on only one mag (for
testing, run-up etc.). Along the way, Brad and Tom were very helpful.
More importantly, though, the last 160 hours or so have been flawless. So I
can
only deduce that they've worked out the bugs, at least based on my
experience.
If and when I build an RV-10 I'll put them on for sure.
--------
Marc Ausman
http://www.verticalpower.com
RV-7 IO-390 Flying
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175686#175686
________________________________ Message 11
____________________________________
Time: 06:56:46 AM PST US
From: "Pascal"
Subject: RV10-List: 2 blade Hartzell- SnF attendees
SnF Attendees;
http://www.hartzellprop.com/pressroom/pr_htm/pr_11_09_07.htm
Could someone walk over to Hartzell and ask if the 2 blade Carbon blade
would be a good option for the RV-10? If so what would be needed to get
one? I am thinking although it's for the Diamond DA40 now, Hartzell may
provide it for other aircraft as well. Since the three blade is in the
Cirrus this blade may very well work for us.
Thanks!
Pascal
________________________________ Message 12
____________________________________
Time: 07:05:09 AM PST US
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Air field flow for the 10
From: "Bobby J. Hughes"
Bob,
RV6 pressure plot attached. The pressure areas on our 10's should be
very similar if your using the stock cowl. The pressure does change
depending on angle of attack. Here is another good site with lots of
pressure data. Different airframe but the basic principles apply.
http://www.melmoth2.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Special |
so what is the difference between the YIO540 on sale and the normal XIO540
on the Van's site? Anyone know?
Speaking of MT 3 blade, anyone at SnF have a chance to go over to Hartzell
and ask about the two blade carbon blade yet?.. figure with Van's there it
may be a great way to get the two companies talking about offering the blade
to RV builders.
Thx
Pascal
BTW- Tom- great deal you did out there I would have done the same thing if
this was next year (aka Mattituck and instead saved 5K on an engine and
prop)
----- Original Message -----
From: "tomhanaway" <tomhanaway@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 3:38 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Engine Special
>
> I bought one this morning. Van's staff advised that Lycoming was making
> more available.
> I emailed my forms to Van's, called in a credit card deposit and got the
> three blade MT prop as part of the package.
>
> Wonderful timing as I arrived at Sun and Fun today fully intending to buy
> a Mattituck at $39,200 less $600 show special.
>
> Van's price included shipping and took another $1000 off for the prop
> bundle.
>
> So today was a great day under the theory that I didn't spend as much as
> Iwas thinking I'd have to.
>
> Now,..... on to avionics with all the saved money.
>
> Tom H.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=176009#176009
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Doors coming off |
How about a bungee? LOL
Gary
40274
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Doors coming off
I'm starting to think of a simple and inexpensive design. Like our
co-builder Mr. Leffler, I'm still a ways away from reaching this point.
However I've heard of a few RV-10's with handles that allow the door to be
pulled down when you're sitting in the seat. I'm thinking of making this
pull down strap out of some higher strength material and actually hooking it
inside the cabin to a fixed point.
If it's done correctly, the handles will be functional and a open-door
scenario could result in only a couple of inches worth of opening.
Sure it would be a distraction if you had to fly the plane with a door that
was cracked open a few inches, but it sure beats having the door remove your
Horizontal Stab and tear up your airplane.
It's cheap, simple, fool proof, and practical.
Phil
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From: David McNeill [mailto:dlm46007@cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 10:40 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Doors coming off
One other idea we had was the placement of a knob on the door inside, back
near the pin. this will allow complete control (two hands pulling) of
positioning the door for closure.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 8:24 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Doors coming off
Vans did have an issue with a door early on with 410RV. I don't know the
specifics but I think John C might. Hopefully he will chime in. I don't
know if the door came off or not but they did have a door related issue. I
think it was while going to/from Osh or some other eastern states flyin.
Ben Westfall
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and Susie
McGough
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 7:56 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Doors coming off
Guys are we 100% sure that the doors that have come off were latched
corectly where they go into the fuse frames.
Are we sure that the door handles were closed properly and in the locked
position?
.
Remember the tunnel heat problem, some have the problem but most do not.
I would think Vans 10 would have close to 1000 hours on it , why has the
door not come off?? Does someone live close to Vans that can have a look and
maybe do some measuring ?
I am absolutely not saying there is no problem just need some facts
I have written to Vans to the engieering department to see what they say
regards Chris
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Yes, what is a YIO540?
Pascal wrote:
>
> so what is the difference between the YIO540 on sale and the normal
> XIO540 on the Van's site? Anyone know?
>
>
> Speaking of MT 3 blade, anyone at SnF have a chance to go over to
> Hartzell and ask about the two blade carbon blade yet?.. figure with
> Van's there it may be a great way to get the two companies talking
> about offering the blade to RV builders.
> Thx
> Pascal
>
> BTW- Tom- great deal you did out there I would have done the same
> thing if this was next year (aka Mattituck and instead saved 5K on an
> engine and prop)
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "tomhanaway" <tomhanaway@comcast.net>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 3:38 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Engine Special
>
>
>>
>> I bought one this morning. Van's staff advised that Lycoming was
>> making more available.
>> I emailed my forms to Van's, called in a credit card deposit and got
>> the three blade MT prop as part of the package.
>>
>> Wonderful timing as I arrived at Sun and Fun today fully intending to
>> buy a Mattituck at $39,200 less $600 show special.
>>
>> Van's price included shipping and took another $1000 off for the prop
>> bundle.
>>
>> So today was a great day under the theory that I didn't spend as much
>> as Iwas thinking I'd have to.
>>
>> Now,..... on to avionics with all the saved money.
>>
>> Tom H.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=176009#176009
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Price Reduced: RV-10 Project For Sale |
RV-10 project for sale.REDUCED TO $99,900 FOR QUICK SALE!
See add in Barnstormers.com and Trade-A-PlaneIncludes all materials to comp
lete a flying plane except engine & prop. Full Garmin WAAS IFR instrument p
ackage. GNS430W, SL30, GTX327, GI-106A, PMA800SR, LifeSaver 4300 AI, CO Mon
itor, BMA EFISone w/ Autopilot and Powerboard. Rudder tim w/ position displ
ay for trims and flaps. ELO Touchscreen monitor w/ switch to display EFIS o
r computer to Co-pilot. All Van's kits including FWF. Accuracy Avionics ove
rhead console and window trim rings. All systems installed including dual b
attery Z-14 FADEC based electrical systems. CAD drawings of all system sche
matics. To finish it needs: engine, prop, interior, paint, ~1000 hours labo
r.
Engine $39,200 (Vans)Prop $6,510 (Vans)Interior $3,182 (Flightline)Paint ~$
8,000 (?) Total ~$56,892 to finish A flying full IFR RV-10 for $156,792!
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I'd have to agree as far as the bevel is concerned that it is ultimately the
amount of full diameter tubing that you need plenty of to ensure safely
engaging the metal frame as your last line of defense.
One of the reasons they can end up too short is the amount of retraction you
may need to clear the cabin edge and we cut them down to suit our
circumstance given correct centering and placing of the door.
I disagree with John C on the taper orientation. I understand the front door
scenario but I think the taper in this case is to encourage alignment. It
would serve no purpose on the reverse side and wouldn't need to be there.
I'd seriously consider the wisdom of an internal pin as this may well add
its own problems with any leverage by the steel internal to the aluminium
tubing. This leverage may be imparted at every closing or opening of the
door with any sideways pressure and encourage a crack.
You may be better off making the entire pin of steel. My worry with this is
it may be unnecessarily strong and may inhibit you kicking out the door in
any need to escape.
John 40315
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Friday, 11 April 2008 8:51 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door closing
Another thing to look for on the front pins is the length of the bevel.
Van's precut bevel is the same for both front and rear. The front bevel
effectively requires an insertion of about .75" just to have a full diameter
of tube in the door jamb . I am going to remake the front pins using a new
set of rear pins cut to size for the front with a much shorter bevel. In
addition since there is already a tapped tube I will insert a 5/16"
stainless steel set screw with an allen wrench to a depth where the portion
of the tube which penetrates the door jamb will be solid aluminum and steel.
Also in case anyone is wondering, I contacted the NTSB and verbally
confirmed that for both 410MR and 210HM both doors were at the crash site.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 3:10 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Door closing
Wayne,
I'm not so sure it's slop in the hinge, the door just twists or flexes too
easily. Now maybe a set of guide pins that engage the door sill, pointing
straight into the cabin from the outside may be a good option. With close
tolerance's this would stop forward and aft movement of the door and align
it in the correct position for latching as long as the door was completely
closed and flush.
Rick Sked
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne Hadath" <whadath@rogers.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 5:10:16 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV10-List Digest: 60 Msgs - 04/09/08
Fellow Builders
I am in the process of working on the doors and the main problem I see is
that the alignment of the door is controlled by the hinge placement. In my
set of hinges there was 1/32 of side play which I shimmed out. If the hinges
are installed precisely then the door drops down and closes into the correct
position.The only time the door is guided into position is on the last 1/4
inches of travel when the bevelled door edges come into contact with the
fuselage. Now in the ideal setting which I guess would be wings off,
precisely bushed and installed hinges and standing on the floor outside the
aircraft while closing the door, all things work beautifully. But, in real
life you will sitting inside the aircraft so there will be no visual
references to help guide the door, there will be a hinges/pin mechanism that
is forever wearing and causing more play (fore and aft movement of the door)
and when you close the door you will be relying to a large extent on that
last 1/4 inch bevel to guide the door into the correct position. I am not
comfortable with relying on the last 1/4 inch. In my opinion the major mod
that should be made is a method of guiding the door into it's correct
position. The guide should come into play long before the last 1/4 inch. I
am making my door in such a way that it is guided into the correct position
and it will be impossible to throw the pins if the door is not properly
seated. I believe that the latching mechanism is adequate but mods to the
receiver area and to the pin ends can easily be made in any shop.
Doors!!! and I thought building a canopy was a pain!
Wayne Hadath
F1 Rocket C-FAUH
250 hours
RV 10 Fusealge top and doors.
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1. 12:45 AM - ATP plug (Chris and Susie McGough)
2. 12:58 AM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Steven DiNieri)
3. 01:08 AM - Re: Door handles (Steven DiNieri)
4. 03:37 AM - Re: Door handles (Bob Leffler)
5. 04:12 AM - Re: RV Grin (Bob Leffler)
6. 04:52 AM - Re: Re: NVFR avionics help (Rodger Todd)
7. 05:16 AM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (John Testement)
8. 05:18 AM - Re: RV Grin (gary)
9. 06:16 AM - Re: RV Grin (gary)
10. 06:44 AM - Re: P-Mag! (marcausman)
11. 06:56 AM - 2 blade Hartzell- SnF attendees (Pascal)
12. 07:05 AM - Re: Air field flow for the 10 (Bobby J. Hughes)
13. 07:42 AM - Re: NVFR avionics help (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
14. 08:35 AM - Re: RV Grin (Deems Davis)
15. 08:49 AM - Re: Door handles (Steven DiNieri)
16. 08:54 AM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (SteinAir, Inc.)
17. 08:58 AM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Steven DiNieri)
18. 09:12 AM - Re: Engine stop tests. (Bill DeRouchey)
19. 09:26 AM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
20. 09:46 AM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (Tim Olson)
21. 09:49 AM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (Tim Olson)
22. 10:07 AM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (John W. Cox)
23. 11:24 AM - Re: Engine stop tests. (Neil & Sarah Colliver)
24. 11:43 AM - Re: Re: P-Mag! (Larry Rosen)
25. 01:04 PM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (John Ackerman)
26. 02:59 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Scott Schmidt)
27. 03:02 PM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (Patrick Thyssen)
28. 03:14 PM - Engine Special (Jeff Carpenter)
29. 03:24 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Tim Olson)
30. 03:39 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Rene Felker)
31. 03:40 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (PJ Seipel)
32. 03:41 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes ()
33. 03:47 PM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (McGANN, Ron)
34. 03:54 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Deems Davis)
35. 04:07 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Bob Leffler)
36. 04:51 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Steven DiNieri)
37. 05:09 PM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (John W. Cox)
38. 05:15 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (John W. Cox)
39. 05:24 PM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (John W. Cox)
40. 05:48 PM - Re: AFS Systems (Rick Sked)
41. 05:59 PM - Re: Engine Special (John Cram)
42. 06:30 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (David McNeill)
43. 06:32 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Larry Rosen)
44. 06:51 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (David McNeill)
45. 07:03 PM - Re: Re: P-Mag! (Jesse Saint)
46. 07:49 PM - Re: Engine Special (Pascal)
47. 07:54 PM - Re: Door handles (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
48. 07:58 PM - Doors coming off (Chris and Susie McGough)
49. 08:04 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Rick Sked)
50. 08:14 PM - Re: Doors coming off (Tim Olson)
51. 08:26 PM - Re: Doors coming off (Ben Westfall)
52. 08:33 PM - Re: Engine stop tests. (Marcus Cooper)
53. 08:35 PM - Re: RV Grin (Marcus Cooper)
54. 08:42 PM - Re: Doors coming off (David McNeill)
55. 09:11 PM - Re: Doors coming off (John W. Cox)
56. 09:15 PM - Re: Engine stop tests. (John W. Cox)
57. 09:33 PM - Re: Doors coming off (Perry, Phil)
58. 10:36 PM - Re: Doors coming off (Kelly McMullen)
59. 10:59 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (John Ackerman)
60. 11:25 PM - Re: Doors coming off (John Dunne)
________________________________ Message 1
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Time: 12:45:08 AM PST US
From: "Chris and Susie McGough"
Subject: RV10-List: ATP plug
Just recieved visors from Aviation Tech Products. Came within 10 days to
Australia and answered all questions .
Great service.
Chris 388
________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
Time: 12:58:06 AM PST US
From: "Steven DiNieri"
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
When I went to install a set in my rv10, I modified them to be much easier
to install. After seeing my mods coupled with the shipping delays I was
asked to reproduce a similar product by a few builders. I think they are a
very good anchor for the door rods to latch into, and should add a margin of
strength to the latch mech. I do offer them on my website (available
immediately ;) sorry for the commercial announcement, I just want all to
know there are options...
Steve dinieri
Iflyrv10.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 12:59 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
>
>
> I cannot imagine why anyone flying an RV10 does not install
> the very excellent Rivethead door pins. They are tedious to
> install and adjust, but they are really sweet and center the
> closure on the door giving a positive feel when closing your
> door plus the whole install feels very strong
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust
> Q/B Kit - Ready to exit cabin top/door purgatory
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175658#175658
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 3
_____________________________________
Time: 01:08:32 AM PST US
From: "Steven DiNieri"
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door handles
Michael, i have been offering a handle kit similar to the Hendricks, but in
a complete kit form, thinner in profile, specifically designed for the rv10.
My design allows the latching system to remain in place as vans designed.
when i started designing the handles the primary idea was to leave all the
door latch mech alone. my handles simply replace the outside handle, just in
a different position. they also allow standard lock cylinders for locking
(just like the Hendricks) and i am introducing on the website this week a
flush stainless lock system for all rv10's. easily installed into even
flying aircraft.
sorry to toot my own horn, but with all the talk about door and latches and
the importance of such systems i just want all to know there are options...
Steven dinieri
iflyrv10.com
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:33 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Door handles
With all the talk about the doors I've been doing some thinking regarding
the factory setup vs the aftermarket handles. I like the flush look and
operation of the handles like Hendricks and others but the lack of a
positive locking detent really makes me nervous.
I also want a way to lock the doors so they can't be opened by any
passerby. The is especially important with the TSA rumblings that all GA
aircraft must have locked doors. It's not a law yet but I wouldn't be
surprised to see it conceded to stop something bigger. Frankly having the
kind of investment in these aircraft that we do it's a bit silly to not have
the doors locked somehow. I know, if a thief really wants in he will get
in. But a thief also isn't going to stop at a plane with locks if a better
target is around or if it will take too long or be too noticeable to
circumvent them.
So to that end someone had posted a while back a way to make a baggage
door lock work with the standard Van's door handles. Anyone still have the
links to that?
Michael
________________________________ Message 4
_____________________________________
Time: 03:37:57 AM PST US
From: "Bob Leffler"
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door handles
Steven,
I see that you've added many new products to your site. The elevator trim
bracket and the aluminum door guides caught my eye. Are you reselling
Rivethead-Aero's product or are you manufacturing these yourself?
Thanks,
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven DiNieri
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 4:06 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door handles
Michael, i have been offering a handle kit similar to the Hendricks, but in
a complete kit form, thinner in profile, specifically designed for the rv10.
My design allows the latching system to remain in place as vans designed.
when i started designing the handles the primary idea was to leave all the
door latch mech alone. my handles simply replace the outside handle, just in
a different position. they also allow standard lock cylinders for locking
(just like the Hendricks) and i am introducing on the website this week a
flush stainless lock system for all rv10's. easily installed into even
flying aircraft.
sorry to toot my own horn, but with all the talk about door and latches and
the importance of such systems i just want all to know there are options...
Steven dinieri
iflyrv10.com
________________________________ Message 5
_____________________________________
Time: 04:12:40 AM PST US
From: "Bob Leffler"
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV Grin
Great news Gary!
I'm looking forward to seeing you, Brenda, and both your RVs this summer.
My wife is definitely coming and is anxious to meet all the RV-10 spouses.
Please let us know how your Phase I goes.
See ya in 109 days!
bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 8:07 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV Grin
N204GS flew for the first time today. I have been telling folks that it
would be done on Tuesday ever since I started building. The airplane flew
perfectly.
Gary
40274
________________________________ Message 6
_____________________________________
Time: 04:52:06 AM PST US
From: Rodger Todd
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: NVFR avionics help
Hi Chris,
You'll need to replace (or add to) the SL-40 with an SL-30 which will give
you
a TSO'd VOR/LOC/GS. To this you will have to add an MD200 series CDI to
maintain
the TSO.
Why don't you contact Jake (can't find his e-mail address at the moment) to
confirm
that you don't need anything else avionics wise? Also why noit try the Oz
RV Yahoo group site?
Looking forward to hearing about the first flight - Spring is in the air!
Rodger
--- On Wed, 9/4/08, Chris and Susie McGough wrote:
> From: Chris and Susie McGough
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: NVFR avionics help
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, 9 April, 2008, 8:13 AM
> McGough"
>
> Mike ....my 10 is just about ready to fly and as per email
> you can see my
> current setup and wanted to go from there.
>
> thanks anyway regards Chris
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "AirMike"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 3:39 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: NVFR avionics help
>
>
> "AirMike"
> >
> > Obviously you are going through the time consuming
> process of panel
> > planning. After beating around the bush for 2 months,
> I went with the SL30
> > as most of the threads here also indicate. I tried for
> a long time to save
> > the extra two thousand plus dollars on the SL40 (radio
> only). I finally
> > realized that it was false economy. Yes(Ron) you do
> need the additional
> > CDI and Glide slope lights. The AFS3500 has (built in)
> the CDI indicators
> > for guidance but you also need an audio panel for the
> Marker Beacon
> > lights. Yes that is another $1000. My panel is being
> finished by the very
> > nice folks at Aerotronics in Billings, MT. While I
> have not yet received
> > the panel, I am very impressed with the excellent
> customer interaction and
> > pro-active approach that Aerotronic takes. I got three
> bids on my panel,
> > but went with them on my intuition and the advice of a
> member of the EAA
> > advisory panel. I will give another report after I P/U
> the panel later
> > this month. This is my thinking that this a a !
> > serous NVFR panel and will get me out of trouble if
> caught in IFR
> > conditions. It seem to be a very cost effective setup.
> Probably could save
> > more with Dynon
> >
> > AFS3500 (1x)
> > Garmin SL30 Nav/Com
> > Garmin 327 Mode "C" Transponder
> > Garmin 340 Audio
> > Garmin 496
> > Digiflight II VS
> > Trutrak B/U ADI Backup 2.25"
> > UMA Altimeter Backup 2.25"
> > UMA A/S Backup 2.25"
> > Xaon XRX TCAS Beta (talks to 496)
> > PAI Vertical Card compass
> >
> > --------
> > OSH '08 or Bust
> > Q/B Kit - Ready to exit cabin top/door purgatory
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> >
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175661#175661
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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________________________________ Message 7
_____________________________________
Time: 05:16:30 AM PST US
From: "John Testement"
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
Steve,
How much for a set?
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Painting
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven DiNieri
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 3:55 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
When I went to install a set in my rv10, I modified them to be much easier
to install. After seeing my mods coupled with the shipping delays I was
asked to reproduce a similar product by a few builders. I think they are a
very good anchor for the door rods to latch into, and should add a margin of
strength to the latch mech. I do offer them on my website (available
immediately ;) sorry for the commercial announcement, I just want all to
know there are options...
Steve dinieri
Iflyrv10.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 12:59 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
>
>
> I cannot imagine why anyone flying an RV10 does not install the very
> excellent Rivethead door pins. They are tedious to install and adjust,
> but they are really sweet and center the closure on the door giving a
> positive feel when closing your door plus the whole install feels very
> strong
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust
> Q/B Kit - Ready to exit cabin top/door purgatory
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175658#175658
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
Checked by AVG.
7:10 AM
Checked by AVG.
7:10 AM
________________________________ Message 8
_____________________________________
Time: 05:18:16 AM PST US
From: "gary"
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV Grin
Like all builders, I need to tackle the honey-do list. I have been lax in
that area.
Gary
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV Grin
Congratulations Gary! That's fantastic news. Now, since you like building
so much, what is the next project going to be? :-)
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Apr 8, 2008, at 7:07 PM, gary wrote:
N204GS flew for the first time today. I have been telling folks that it
would be done on Tuesday ever since I started building. The airplane flew
perfectly.
Gary
40274
________________________________ Message 9
_____________________________________
Time: 06:16:35 AM PST US
From: "gary"
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV Grin
Unlike Deems I am not a very good documenter of my work, but here are a few
pix.
Gary
40274
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Testement
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 11:07 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV Grin
Congratulations Gary - let's see some more pix.
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Painting
do not archive
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 8:07 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV Grin
N204GS flew for the first time today. I have been telling folks that it
would be done on Tuesday ever since I started building. The airplane flew
perfectly.
Gary
40274
4/8/2008 7:30 AM
Checked by AVG.
4/8/2008 7:30 AM
________________________________ Message 10
____________________________________
Time: 06:44:10 AM PST US
Subject: RV10-List: Re: P-Mag!
From: "marcausman"
I've had them for about 320 hours on my RV-7. Early on I had two failures
and a
third (which was my fault, you have to be very careful making the ignition
wires).
So I replaced one with a slick mag. The difference between the slick mag
and the p-mag are very obvious when running the engine on only one mag (for
testing, run-up etc.). Along the way, Brad and Tom were very helpful.
More importantly, though, the last 160 hours or so have been flawless. So I
can
only deduce that they've worked out the bugs, at least based on my
experience.
If and when I build an RV-10 I'll put them on for sure.
--------
Marc Ausman
http://www.verticalpower.com
RV-7 IO-390 Flying
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175686#175686
________________________________ Message 11
____________________________________
Time: 06:56:46 AM PST US
From: "Pascal"
Subject: RV10-List: 2 blade Hartzell- SnF attendees
SnF Attendees;
http://www.hartzellprop.com/pressroom/pr_htm/pr_11_09_07.htm
Could someone walk over to Hartzell and ask if the 2 blade Carbon blade
would be a good option for the RV-10? If so what would be needed to get
one? I am thinking although it's for the Diamond DA40 now, Hartzell may
provide it for other aircraft as well. Since the three blade is in the
Cirrus this blade may very well work for us.
Thanks!
Pascal
________________________________ Message 12
____________________________________
Time: 07:05:09 AM PST US
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Air field flow for the 10
From: "Bobby J. Hughes"
Bob,
RV6 pressure plot attached. The pressure areas on our 10's should be
very similar if your using the stock cowl. The pressure does change
depending on angle of attack. Here is another good site with lots of
pressure data. Different airframe but the basic principles apply.
http://www.melmoth2.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Doors coming off |
LOL...sure Gary....how bout we just slip a prefabricated rope loop between
the door handles, installed after the doors are down and ummmm.... :) locke
d.
Rick Sked
----- Original Message -----
From: "gary" <speckter@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 5:01:14 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Doors coming off
How about a bungee?=C2- LOL
Gary
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Doors coming off
I'm starting to think of a simple and inexpensive design.=C2- Like our co
-builder Mr. Leffler, I'm still a ways away from reaching this point.
However I've heard of a few RV-10's with handles that allow the door to be
pulled down when you're sitting in the seat.=C2- I'm thinking of making t
his pull down strap out of some higher strength material and actually hooki
ng it inside the cabin to a fixed point.
If it's done correctly, the handles will be functional and a open-door scen
ario could result in only a couple of inches worth of opening.
Sure it would be a distraction if you had to fly the plane with a door that
was cracked open a few inches, but it sure beats having the door remove yo
ur Horizontal Stab and tear up your airplane.
It's cheap, simple, fool proof, and practical.
Phil
From: David McNeill [mailto:dlm46007@cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 10:40 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Doors coming off
One other idea we had was the placement of a knob on the door inside, back
near the pin. this will allow complete control (two hands pulling) of posit
ioning the door for closure.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 8:24 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Doors coming off
Vans did have an issue with a door early on with 410RV. =C2-I don
=99t know the specifics but I think John C might. =C2-Hopefully he will c
hime in.=C2- I don=99t know if the door came off or not but they di
d have a door related issue. =C2-I think it was while going to/from Osh o
r some other eastern states flyin.
Ben Westfall
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and Susie McGough
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 7:56 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Doors coming off
Guys are we 100% sure that the doors that have come off were latched corect
ly where they go into the fuse frames.
Are we sure that the door handles were closed properly and in the locked po
sition?
.
Remember the tunnel heat problem, some have the problem but most do not.
I would think Vans 10 would have close to 1000 hours on it , why has the do
or not come off?? Does someone live close to Vans that can have a look and
maybe do some measuring ?
I am absolutely not saying there is no problem just need some facts
I have written to Vans to the engieering department to see what they say
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