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1. 07:10 AM - Re: The Gorilla speaks (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
2. 07:21 AM - Re: Speaking to the choir (Vernon Smith)
3. 07:43 AM - Re: The Gorilla speaks (SteinAir, Inc.)
4. 10:09 AM - Re: The Gorilla speaks (Dj Merrill)
5. 11:33 AM - Re: The Gorilla speaks (John Cox)
6. 04:40 PM - Re: The Gorilla speaks (Robin Marks)
7. 05:00 PM - Re: The Gorilla speaks (SteinAir, Inc.)
8. 05:19 PM - Re: Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west.... (RobHickman@aol.com)
9. 06:09 PM - Re: Advanced SV - was Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west.... (Chris Johnston)
10. 07:09 PM - Re: The Gorilla speaks (Michael Schipper)
11. 07:43 PM - Re: Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west.... (n277dl)
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| Subject: | The Gorilla speaks |
It does say in the description that you can load City Navigator maps on i
t so you should still be able to use it for auto. One of the reasons I dec
ided to go with a 496 was because I could use it in my car or on a boat bec
ause of it being water resistant. I can't see spending the money on weathe
r and only use it a couple times a month. Now I can use it daily.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:15 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: The Gorilla speaks
The other downside I see is there is no automotive element to it. I really
like my 496 for the fact that it can get me where I want to go in the RV-1
0 with XM WX and Radio and then transport it to the car and let it provide
directions there as well. Very handy.
Having said that, the display looks great and the maps would be awesome, ex
cept for that whole timing out issue. Maybe there will be a way to downloa
d the next version early like other systems.
Marcus
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| Subject: | Speaking to the choir |
Rene'
Even the choir needs encouragement from time to time=3B)
Thanks=2C
Vern Smith (#324 finishing)
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From: rene@felker.comTo: rv10-list@matronics.comSubject: RV10-List: Speakin
g to the choirDate: Thu=2C 30 Oct 2008 20:07:03 -0600
Just thought I would make a comment. I completed my airplane last Spring
=85.well almost completed my airplane last Spring=2C always something else
to do. I played hooky from work yesterday and took a friend up. I guess I
had started getting comfortable with having the -10 and was starting to ta
ke it for granted. My friend has many hours (passenger) in C172s and C182s
=2C but he left this flight with the =93RV Grin.=94 He just could not get
over the airplane=92s performance and handling.
So to make a long story short=2C I have regained my sense of excitement abo
ut my RV-10 and will have to think back to that flight every once in a whil
e to remind myself what a beautiful airplane the RV-10 is.
For those who are still building=85=85..it is truly worth all the effort.
Rene'
N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
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| Subject: | The Gorilla speaks |
Whoaa...who started the rumor that you had to buy the stuff the "day" after
expiration? I'm not 100% sure on this product, but most of the other Garmin
products that use charting (like the GMX, MX, G900X, G1000, G600, etc..)
have a "sunset" period where the data is still usable for some period of
time. I think it's 180 days but I'm not 100% sure. I just know that on all
the other products is doesn't become useless the day the data expires. How
about your GPS? Does the map quit working the day the database expires?
These are the rumors and wives tails that can get spread with little to no
actual or factual first hand basis - so let's not hypothesize (at least
negatively) about such things until we actually know the facts, eh?
My 2 cents as usual.
Cheers,
Stein
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
>Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:48 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: The Gorilla speaks
>
>
>
>Of course, to be a good sun visor it would need to have synthetic
>vision. It looks like they are not using Jep plates, so that should
>make the updates cheaper, but it also would bother me if I had to
>update on or after the day of expiration of the old plates to be able
>to use them.
>
>Jesse Saint
>Saint Aviation, Inc.
>jesse@saintaviation.com
>Cell: 352-427-0285
>Fax: 815-377-3694
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The Gorilla speaks |
SteinAir, Inc. wrote:
> These are the rumors and wives tails that can get spread with little to no
> actual or factual first hand basis - so let's not hypothesize (at least
> negatively) about such things until we actually know the facts, eh?
>
>
On page 125 of the 696 owners manual
<http://www.garmin.com/manuals/GPSMAP695_OwnersManual.pdf> it says:
"FliteCharts data is revised every 28 days. Charts are still viewable
during a period
that extends from the cycle expiration date to the disabled date.
FliteCharts is
disabled 180 days after the expiration date and are no longer available
for viewing
upon reaching the disabled date. When turning on the GPSMAP 695/696, the
Powerup
Page indicates any of five different possible criteria for chart
availability. These
indications are whether the databases are not configured, not available,
current, out
of date, or disabled."
Looks like you can view them up to 180 days after they expire.
-Dj
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Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ KR-2 Builder N770DJ
http://deej.net/sportsman/ http://deej.net/kr-2/
"Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an
airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005
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| Subject: | The Gorilla speaks |
That is one long endurance flight after expiration of the license.
John Cox
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj Merrill
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: The Gorilla speaks
SteinAir, Inc. wrote:
> These are the rumors and wives tails that can get spread with little
to no
> actual or factual first hand basis - so let's not hypothesize (at
least
> negatively) about such things until we actually know the facts, eh?
>
>
On page 125 of the 696 owners manual
<http://www.garmin.com/manuals/GPSMAP695_OwnersManual.pdf> it says:
"FliteCharts data is revised every 28 days. Charts are still viewable
during a period
that extends from the cycle expiration date to the disabled date.
FliteCharts is
disabled 180 days after the expiration date and are no longer available
for viewing
upon reaching the disabled date. When turning on the GPSMAP 695/696, the
Powerup
Page indicates any of five different possible criteria for chart
availability. These
indications are whether the databases are not configured, not available,
current, out
of date, or disabled."
Looks like you can view them up to 180 days after they expire.
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ KR-2 Builder N770DJ
http://deej.net/sportsman/ http://deej.net/kr-2/
"Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an
airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005
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| Subject: | The Gorilla speaks |
There was some discussion of availability of Auto mode on the 696. I
don't know if that issue was put to rest but I would not make that my
determining factor because one can buy a Garmin 200W for $175.00 or
less. I have built in GPS in two cars but placed the 200W in one of my
trucks and it's better than the built-in's. I think the auto mode of my
396 stinks in relationship to my 200W when used on land.
Ahhhh eBay $135.95 + Free Shipping
Robin
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| Subject: | The Gorilla speaks |
My thoughts exactly. Even the 396/496 doesn't do the auto thing as well as
a Nuvi, and I know a number of my customers who've had their x96's stolen,
left in rental cars, etc.. I tell ya, I'd sure as heck rather lose a $200
Nuvi over my several thousand $$ aviation unit. The little Nuvi's are
better anyway (quicker and easier to use in the car).....
My 2 cents as usual.
Cheers,
Stein
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:26 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: The Gorilla speaks
There was some discussion of availability of Auto mode on the 696. I dont
know if that issue was put to rest but I would not make that my determining
factor because one can buy a Garmin 200W for $175.00 or less. I have built
in GPS in two cars but placed the 200W in one of my trucks and it's better
than the built-in's. I think the auto mode of my 396 stinks in relationship
to my 200W when used on land.
Ahhhh eBay $135.95 + Free Shipping
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west.... |
If you fly out to Oregon you can always fly in my RV-10 with three screens,
weather, traffic, SL30, and a 430W.
We should have the latest software with Flight Director, Autopilot
interface, and weather released in the next couple of weeks. We just sent out
the
latest beta version and we should be very close if not finished with it.
We are also making good progress on our new synthetic vision "ADVANCED
SV"upgrade and it should be ready for Sun-n-Fun.
Rob Hickman
Advanced Flight Systems
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| Subject: | Re: Advanced SV - was Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west.... |
Hey Rob -
I've heard the little hints about your synthetic vision and was
wondering if you'd be willing to share any details? Specifically
whether it will be available for the 3400 and 3500 when it comes?
C'mon, I know you're just itching to talk about it!!! Give us a
little taste!
cj aka "huge AFS fan"
On Oct 31, 2008, at 5:19 PM, RobHickman@aol.com wrote:
> If you fly out to Oregon you can always fly in my RV-10 with three
> screens, weather, traffic, SL30, and a 430W.
>
> We should have the latest software with Flight Director, Autopilot
> interface, and weather released in the next couple of weeks. We
> just sent out the latest beta version and we should be very close
> if not finished with it.
>
> We are also making good progress on our new synthetic vision
> "ADVANCED SV"upgrade and it should be ready for Sun-n-Fun.
>
> Rob Hickman
> Advanced Flight Systems
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The Gorilla speaks |
Yep. I had my 496 stolen from my car over the weekend. Grr.
Mike Schipper
40576 - finishing - www.rvten.com
On Oct 31, 2008, at 6:56 PM, "SteinAir, Inc." <stein@steinair.com>
wrote:
> My thoughts exactly. Even the 396/496 doesn't do the auto thing as
> well as a Nuvi, and I know a number of my customers who've had their
> x96's stolen, left in rental cars, etc.. I tell ya, I'd sure as
> heck rather lose a $200 Nuvi over my several thousand $$ aviation
> unit. The little Nuvi's are better anyway (quicker and easier to
> use in the car).....
>
> My 2 cents as usual.
>
> Cheers,
> Stein
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> ]On Behalf Of Robin Marks
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:26 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: The Gorilla speaks
>
> There was some discussion of availability of Auto mode on the 696. I
> don=99t know if that issue was put to rest but I would not make
that m
> y determining factor because one can buy a Garmin 200W for $175.00 o
> r less. I have built in GPS in two cars but placed the 200W in one o
> f my trucks and it's better than the built-in's. I think the auto mo
> de of my 396 stinks in relationship to my 200W when used on land.
>
>
> <image001.jpg>
>
>
> Ahhhh eBay $135.95 + Free Shipping
>
>
> Robin
>
> Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west.... |
Folks....
Thanks to all who've replied both here and via email. The great thing about
this "problem" is that compared to 2003-2004 when I was finishing up the 7A....
about the only thing affordable then was the D10 from Dynon.... the functionality
of these units today is just amazing.
It looks like, at a minimum I'll get the chance to fly with Bob C. behind the GRT
this weekend and maybe even get a chance to do the same with Pat and the AFS
as well. (First flight in the 10 as well)
> "If I had known now that they would be, they would
> offer, they couldn't do".
John.. isn't that the interesting quandary of life. We all make decisions based
upon what information we have at our disposal today knowing full well that if
you delay the decision for a day, a week, a month, a year, etc... you'll have
more complete information than you do today and with a little God given intelligence
make a better decision. But you do reach a point where you can't delay
any more and you have to place your bets.
In this economy, who's going to survive to support their units 5 years from now?
(who would have bet against Lehman Bros a year ago or even 6 months ago?)
Functionality wise, it's a pretty good bet that AFS and GRT are going to keep
progressing with their respective units as long as they can maintain the cash
flow to continue to invest in development.
My mission is clear. IFR XC. Fly the 7A today that way with the D10, 430, digitrak
& altrak a/p and round gauges as backup to the D10.
Rob, thanks for the offer. Wish I was where I could fly with ya.... my plan includes
the 430, sl30, 330 and digiflight vsgv which sounds like what you're basically
flying with.
This decision too shall be made :)
Doug
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Doug
"Fools" are always more creative than process people and will always
find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes.
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