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1. 05:13 AM - Re: Fitting Bulkheads to Skin (Bill Cannon)
2. 05:20 AM - Re: Fitting Bulkheads to Skin (DejaVu)
3. 05:27 AM - Re: The Gorilla speaks (Michael Schipper)
4. 06:23 AM - Source for high temp red silicone grommets? (jbrinkmeyer)
5. 07:00 AM - Re: Source for high temp red silicone grommets? (Kelly McMullen)
6. 07:59 AM - Re: Fitting Bulkheads to Skin (johngoodman)
7. 08:04 AM - Baggage door bowed (Chris Hukill)
8. 08:11 AM - Re: Baggage door bowed (ricksked@embarqmail.com)
9. 08:13 AM - Re: Fitting Bulkheads to Skin (tsts4)
10. 08:49 AM - Gretz Pitot Connection (Les Kearney)
11. 10:33 AM - Re: Gretz Pitot Connection (Dave Saylor)
12. 11:18 AM - Re: Gretz Pitot Connection (Dave Saylor)
13. 11:32 AM - Re: Re: Fitting Bulkheads to Skin (Perry, Phil)
14. 12:43 PM - Re: Gretz Pitot Connection (jkreidler)
15. 01:52 PM - Re: Advanced SV - was Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west.... (RobHickman@aol.com)
16. 03:49 PM - Recommendations prior to riveting seat floor/cargo floor. (woxofswa)
17. 04:03 PM - Re: Recommendations prior to riveting seat floor/cargo floor. (Deems Davis)
18. 05:18 PM - Re: Recommendations prior to riveting seat floor/cargo floor. (woxofswa)
19. 05:42 PM - Re: Advanced SV - was Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west.... (Chris Johnston)
20. 06:06 PM - Re: Re: Recommendations prior to riveting seat floor/cargo floor. (Deems Davis)
21. 06:34 PM - Re: Advanced SV - was Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west.... (Jim)
22. 06:40 PM - Re: Recommendations prior to riveting seat floor/cargo floor. (woxofswa)
23. 10:46 PM - Re: Recommendations prior to riveting seat floor/cargo floor. (AirMike)
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| Subject: | Re: Fitting Bulkheads to Skin |
Hey Phil,
I saw this subject on VAF a while back. The discussion there went towards using
liquid shim. Did you consider that? I'll be getting to where you are soon
enough. Let me know. It's nice having an advance scout.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Fitting Bulkheads to Skin |
I can't remember either but I think Rick is correct. I would check the
instructions again. I think you're supposed to flute those tabs. Try
that first to reduce the amount of shimming required.
Anh
40141-Flying
>
>
> I think If I remember back about 4 years ago...I saw the same thing and
> hand bent the tabs so they were rounded...this is not the only place you
> will run into this...I used the hand seamer on edgeto make the tabs
> rounded so the skin laid flat across the bulkheads tabs. I remember
> because the tab center whre the hole is was too far for the cleco to reach
> and get a good grip...man the little things you can recall after four
> years..once you bend the tabs, run the whole thing across the scotchbrite
> wheel to make a nice smooth raduis for the skin to rest and remove any
> sharp edges for the tab to dig into the skin.
>
> Rick Sked
>
> 40185
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Perry" <Phil.Perry@netapp.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2008 4:36:35 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> Subject: RV10-List: Fitting Bulkheads to Skin
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Last night I managed to stay awake until 2Am working on the tailcone. :)
>
> I finally had to go to bed when I found this issue. The shape of the
> bulkhead flanges do not allow the flange to sit correctly against the
> fuselage skin.
>
> I'm considering knocking off the corners of the flanges and letting it sit
> against the skins correctly, however I wanted to pick your brain.
>
> 1) Did you experience this same gap, or do I have poorly manufactured
> product?
> 2) How did you fix it?
>
> Thanks,
> Phil
>
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| Subject: | Re: The Gorilla speaks |
Yes, we will definitely have a dock for the 695/696, but it will be at
least a month before it is available. Plenty of time for me to
redesign my panel yet again!
Regards,
Mike Schipper
40576 - finishing - www.rvten.com
On Nov 1, 2008, at 8:54 AM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> Hey Mike, are you going to be making a dock for any of these new
> crop of =93portable=94 devices?
>
> Michael
>
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| Subject: | Source for high temp red silicone grommets? |
A high temp red silicone grommet is used around the fuel hose that traverses through
the intercylinder cooling baffle between the upper fuel injection spider
and the lower servo body. My engine started out life as an O-540, so I get to
drill a baffle hole and somehow obtain the proper grommet.
Checking the list of usual suspects (Spruce, Wicks, google, etc) wasn't very fruitful.
Searching the Lyco parts manual didn't turn up a part number either (unless
I missed it). Does anyone know where high temp grommets can be found?
Thanks in advance for any replies. Handy grommet doc is attached.
Cheers,
Jay
FWF stuff while procrastinating on door fitting
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| Subject: | Re: Source for high temp red silicone grommets? |
I don't have 6 cyl parts manual, but for the 4 cyl engines it is an
AN931-12S17 grommet. Suspect the 6 cyl injected engines use same
grommet. MS35489 is the correct replacement number. Genuine Hardware
lists them in their catalog. You will need to know inside diameter
needed and groove width needed. (pg 182-183 in the catalog I have).
jbrinkmeyer wrote:
>
> A high temp red silicone grommet is used around the fuel hose that traverses
through the intercylinder cooling baffle between the upper fuel injection spider
and the lower servo body. My engine started out life as an O-540, so I get
to drill a baffle hole and somehow obtain the proper grommet.
>
> Checking the list of usual suspects (Spruce, Wicks, google, etc) wasn't very
fruitful. Searching the Lyco parts manual didn't turn up a part number either
(unless I missed it). Does anyone know where high temp grommets can be found?
>
> Thanks in advance for any replies. Handy grommet doc is attached.
>
> Cheers,
> Jay
> FWF stuff while procrastinating on door fitting
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211750#211750
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/grommets_ms35489_148.pdf
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fitting Bulkheads to Skin |
I remember doing that last year. Fluting is the answer.
John
--------
#40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished
N711JG reserved
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| Subject: | Baggage door bowed |
Upon fitting my baggage door to the fuselage to drill the hinge, I find
that the door has a pronounced outward bow,
at the top, in the middle, so that the door's top edge isn't flush.
With a strait edge, I can see the door is bowed out about 1/8 inch.
To make matters worst, the QB fuselage has about a 1/16 inch bow IN the
same area (center, top edge of door). The fuselage may push out some
when the top is attached, but the bow in the door will still be
un-acceptable. The bow probably came about due to the dimpling process,
but I didn't notice until fitting. Can I tweak the door to try to
straiten it, or do I need to build a new one, this time with some
precautions to prevent it from warping?
Obviously I may as well try to fix the door. Has anyone else had this
issue, and how did you straiten the door? I'm thinking about ripping a
2x4 on the bandsaw,with a reverse curve to it, thus creating a male
/female template, then squeezing the top of the door between the pieces.
Anyone else have any experience with this, or any ideas?
Thanks
Chris Hukill
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage door bowed |
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| Subject: | Re: Fitting Bulkheads to Skin |
I completed my tailcone riveting in Aug and fluting does help. I also used a rubber
grommet while riveting to allow me to push the tab and the skin together
and it came out great. If you decide to shim, recommend going the liquid shim
route--you can use epoxy and flox quite easily to make the shim.
--------
Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone
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| Subject: | Gretz Pitot Connection |
Hi
After a bout of builder interruptus, I am back at it again and want to
finish of my QB wings (not that there really is all that much to do!).
Anyway, I have got a Gretz heated pitot and am stumped on the preferred
way
to connect the =BC=94 OD copper pitot tube on the Gretz to some plastic
pitot
tubing. I have seen one site where some plastic tubing was used to make
a
connection. I also see that www.safeair1.com <http://www.safeair1.com/>
has
a connector but is with hardware for aluminum.
To those who have gone before have any suggestions?
Cheers
Les Kearney
#40643 ' some assembly required
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| Subject: | Gretz Pitot Connection |
Les,
I soldered on one of these:
http://www.mcmaster.com/library/20080401/5463K243L.GIF
and screwed in one of these:
http://www.mcmaster.com/library/1/1045732/5520K173L.GIF
(These are pretty handy in a lot of places)
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 8:49 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Gretz Pitot Connection
Hi
After a bout of builder interruptus, I am back at it again and want to
finish of my QB wings (not that there really is all that much to do!).
Anyway, I have got a Gretz heated pitot and am stumped on the preferred
way
to connect the =BC=94 OD copper pitot tube on the Gretz to some plastic
pitot
tubing. I have seen one site where some plastic tubing was used to make
a
connection. I also see that www.safeair1.com <http://www.safeair1.com/>
has
a connector but is with hardware for aluminum.
To those who have gone before have any suggestions?
Cheers
Les Kearney
#40643 ' some assembly required
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| Subject: | Gretz Pitot Connection |
Oops. Other way around. Solder the copper and screw in the plastic...
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:32 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Gretz Pitot Connection
Les,
I soldered on one of these:
http://www.mcmaster.com/library/20080401/5463K243L.GIF
and screwed in one of these:
http://www.mcmaster.com/library/1/1045732/5520K173L.GIF
(These are pretty handy in a lot of places)
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 8:49 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Gretz Pitot Connection
Hi
After a bout of builder interruptus, I am back at it again and want to
finish of my QB wings (not that there really is all that much to do!).
Anyway, I have got a Gretz heated pitot and am stumped on the preferred
way
to connect the =BC=94 OD copper pitot tube on the Gretz to some plastic
pitot
tubing. I have seen one site where some plastic tubing was used to make
a
connection. I also see that www.safeair1.com <http://www.safeair1.com/>
has
a connector but is with hardware for aluminum.
To those who have gone before have any suggestions?
Cheers
Les Kearney
#40643 ' some assembly required
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| Subject: | Re: Fitting Bulkheads to Skin |
Were you fluting the edges of each tab? Just to bend them slightly away
from the skin?
I'm thinking of fluting and then using some epoxy and flox to fill the
gap during assembly.
Thanks for the advice.
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: tsts4 [mailto:tsts4@verizon.net]
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:13 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fitting Bulkheads to Skin
I completed my tailcone riveting in Aug and fluting does help. I also
used a rubber grommet while riveting to allow me to push the tab and the
skin together and it came out great. If you decide to shim, recommend
going the liquid shim route--you can use epoxy and flox quite easily to
make the shim.
--------
Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone
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| Subject: | Re: Gretz Pitot Connection |
We flared the copper and used a AN816-4D (1/4" Tube to 1/8-27 NPT). We then used
the fitting supplied with our Safe-Air kit to attached the nylon tubing.
--------
RV-10 Quick Build
4 Partner Build - Finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Advanced SV - was Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west.... |
In a message dated 10/31/2008 5:11:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
cj@popstudios.com writes:
I've heard the little hints about your synthetic vision and was wondering i
f
you'd be willing to share any details? Specifically whether it will be
available for the 3400 and 3500 when it comes? C'mon, I know you're just
itching to talk about it!!! Give us a little taste!
We will have an upgrade for the 3400 and 3500, it will be a new processor
board that will run the Advanced SV. We are on track to have the upgrades
and Advanced SV before Sun-n-Fun. The few people that have seen it have b
een
very impressed with how good it looks; we even already have the runways.
I have tried all of the latest EFIS systems, I even had the opportunity to
fly a new Cirrus G3 Turbo Perspective last week. I was very impressed wit
h
the EFIS=99s in the Perspective; the new Cirrus Jet even took off rig
ht after
us. We know where we need to be with our level of features and our customer
s
will not be disappointed.
Rob Hickman
Advanced Flight Systems
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| Subject: | Recommendations prior to riveting seat floor/cargo floor. |
I'm am at that point of riveting the seat floors. I have the Van's wiring kit
and was going to run a length of plastic conduit with pull strings along each
side. I have also ordered the SafeAir pitot static line kit and was going to
run that.
Any other suggestions before riveting the floors?
Thanks in advance.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
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| Subject: | Re: Recommendations prior to riveting seat floor/cargo floor. |
Some have put in sound proofing to the bottom of the skins prior to
riveting.
Deems
woxofswa wrote:
>
> I'm am at that point of riveting the seat floors. I have the Van's wiring kit
and was going to run a length of plastic conduit with pull strings along each
side. I have also ordered the SafeAir pitot static line kit and was going to
run that.
>
> Any other suggestions before riveting the floors?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> --------
> Myron Nelson
> Mesa, AZ
> Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211854#211854
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Recommendations prior to riveting seat floor/cargo floor. |
Thanks Deems,
Yes, I did that already. I went with the QuietRide kit.
I just perused yours and Tim's sites on that section. I couldn't help but notice
that you both did the same antenna and in the same place.
Could you expound upon the reasoning for your choice of antenna and location?
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
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| Subject: | Re: Advanced SV - was Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west.... |
That's exactly the info I was looking for. I have the 3400 and I
didn't want to get left out of the fun! can't wait.
cj
On Nov 2, 2008, at 1:52 PM, RobHickman@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 10/31/2008 5:11:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> cj@popstudios.com writes:
> I've heard the little hints about your synthetic vision and was
> wondering if you'd be willing to share any details? Specifically
> whether it will be available for the 3400 and 3500 when it comes?
> C'mon, I know you're just itching to talk about it!!! Give us a
> little taste!
> We will have an upgrade for the 3400 and 3500, it will be a new
> processor board that will run the Advanced SV. We are on track to
> have the upgrades and Advanced SV before Sun-n-Fun. The few
> people that have seen it have been very impressed with how good it
> looks; we even already have the runways.
>
> I have tried all of the latest EFIS systems, I even had the
> opportunity to fly a new Cirrus G3 Turbo Perspective last week. I
> was very impressed with the EFIS=92s in the Perspective; the new
> Cirrus Jet even took off right after us. We know where we need to
> be with our level of features and our customers will not be
> disappointed.
>
> Rob Hickman
> Advanced Flight Systems
>
>
> Plan your next getaway witx1200771803/aol?redir=http://
> travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001">Check out
> Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals!
>
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| Subject: | Re: Recommendations prior to riveting seat floor/cargo |
floor.
My logic/reasoning was straight forward -------- I copied what Tim did
! :-D
Deems
woxofswa wrote:
>
> Thanks Deems,
>
> Yes, I did that already. I went with the QuietRide kit.
>
> I just perused yours and Tim's sites on that section. I couldn't help but notice
that you both did the same antenna and in the same place.
>
> Could you expound upon the reasoning for your choice of antenna and location?
>
> --------
> Myron Nelson
> Mesa, AZ
> Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211873#211873
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Advanced SV - was Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west.... |
Rob,
Is the plan:
(1) Swap out entire 3400 / 3500 unit
(Receive a different serial numbered system)
(2) Remove unit from
airplane and send to you for upgrade (we keep same serial number unit but
have some down time)
(3) You send new CPU board to us and we do the
swap (Not likely)?
(4) something I have not listed?
As a
3500 owner, I am very curious. I won't ask about pricing. That can
wait till you are ready. So far, I am a very pleased customer.
Jim C (40192, N312F)
Finally got the weight an balance
stuff straightened out (added 25 lbs at the horizontal Stab spar in the
tail cone and reweighed with two sets of scales). Verified ALL the
numbers and finally got the CG where I wanted it (and where it should
be). Will adjust rear ballast weight as the airplane gets painted
and interior is installed (sometime next year).
>
> In a message dated 10/31/2008 5:11:22 P.M. Pacific Standard
Time,
> cj@popstudios.com writes:
>
> I've heard
the little hints about your synthetic vision and was wondering
>
if
> you'd be willing to share any details? Specifically whether
it will be
> available for the 3400 and 3500 when it comes?
C'mon, I know you're
> just
> itching to talk about it!!!
Give us a little taste!
>
>
>
> We
will have an upgrade for the 3400 and 3500, it will be a new
>
processor
> board that will run the Advanced SV. We are on track
to have the upgrades
> and Advanced SV before Sun-n-Fun. The few
people that have seen it have
> been
> very impressed
with how good it looks; we even already have the runways.
> I
have tried all of the latest EFIS systems, I even had the opportunity
> to
> fly a new Cirrus G3 Turbo Perspective last week. I
was very impressed
> with
> the EFIS€™s
in the Perspective; the new Cirrus Jet even took off right
>
after
> us. We know where we need to be with our level of features
and our
> customers
> will not be disappointed.
>
> Rob Hickman
> Advanced Flight Systems
>
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| Subject: | Re: Recommendations prior to riveting seat floor/cargo floor. |
>>I copied what Tim did
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Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
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| Subject: | Re: Recommendations prior to riveting seat floor/cargo floor. |
Conduit is good. Remember static lines also. See my prior posts on an inspection
plate for the step
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OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
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