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1. 12:25 AM - List of Contributors 2008 (Matt Dralle)
2. 07:49 AM - keep building and keep flying (David McNeill)
3. 08:57 AM - keep building and keep flying (Chris Johnston)
4. 09:50 AM - Re: keep building and keep flying (MauleDriver)
5. 10:33 AM - Re: keep building and keep flying (John Jessen)
6. 11:25 AM - Re: keep building and keep flying (Robin Marks)
7. 11:47 AM - Re: keep building and keep flying (John Jessen)
8. 12:07 PM - Re: keep building and keep flying (John Gonzalez)
9. 12:54 PM - Re: keep building and keep flying (Chris Johnston)
10. 01:39 PM - Re: keep building and keep flying (linn Walters)
11. 01:51 PM - Re: keep building and keep flying (Robin Marks)
12. 02:03 PM - Re: keep building and keep flying (Chris Johnston)
13. 02:39 PM - Re: keep building and keep flying (Chris Johnston)
14. 05:21 PM - Andair Valve Installation (Jeff Carpenter)
15. 05:57 PM - Re: Andair Valve Installation (greghale)
16. 06:17 PM - Re: Andair Valve Installation (Deems Davis)
17. 06:18 PM - Re: Andair Valve Installation (Don McDonald)
18. 06:22 PM - Re: Andair Valve Installation (Don McDonald)
19. 07:06 PM - Re: keep building and keep flying (MauleDriver)
20. 08:01 PM - Re: Andair Valve Installation (Robin Marks)
21. 08:55 PM - Re: Andair Valve Installation (Don McDonald)
22. 09:11 PM - Re: Andair Valve Installation (David McNeill)
23. 09:45 PM - Re: Andair Valve Installation (Robin Marks)
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Dear Listers,
This year's Fund Raiser has drawn to a close and I want to thank everyone that
so generously made a contribution this year in support of the Matronics Email
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| Subject: | keep building and keep flying |
You are correct; the Glastar is a fantastic airplane. My buddy and I flew it
into Zuni NM and then made some low passes for pictures over the propsed
strip at 7500 msl in western NM. I doubt I will take the 10 in there due to
bladed desert strip but the Glastar will be going there.
On another note.
Just took a man on a flight in the 10 . He has been working on an
experimental for sometime and flying a Cessna. His near vision is
deteriorating and he has to give up his medical. Just a word of advice
/philosophy. Better keep both activities going as you never know when the
ability to continue flying will cease. He indicated that this was his first
flight with anyone since he discovered he will not be piloting any aircraft
any more. Tis the season to be thankful.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:00 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Updated Web Site
I'm updating my web site (jessen-rv10.com) as I get ready to resume
building. The additions might be of interest to one or two. There's a new
section, called NW RV-10 Dinners. This holds pictures of the dinner
gatherings we've had to date, and will also hold a notice about upcoming
dinners, one of which will be in the Spring of 09. There's also a single
page about my GlaStar. Please let me know if links don't work, etc.
John Jessen
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| Subject: | keep building and keep flying |
This subject has been weighing heavily on my mind of late. For the
past year my professional life has become increasingly challenging,
with changing responsibility, higher workloads, and 80 and 90 hour
weeks. Airplane building has suffered, but not stopped. Airplane
flying, however, has come to a complete standstill. I've made the
decision to look for something to fly while I'm finishing the build
of my 10. It occurs to me that my mistake was not making this
decision sooner. For me, the decision to buy something to fly has
had a ripple effect that's done me some good, even if I end up not
finding an airplane to buy before mine is done. If I want to fly
something more entertaining than a Cessna, I needed to get a
tailwheel endorsement. So I went down to get that done, and I ended
up signing up for the aerobatic course. That's a fun saturday
afternoon! Very different mindset from the last training I did which
was my instrument rating. So getting my TW endorsement will take a
bit longer because its included in an aerobatic curriculum - which
means I need to go flying lots on the weekends for awhile. hooray!
and funnily enough, I was happily sanding fiberglass for the rest of
the weekend, doing stuff around the 10 that I've been putting off
because it's not fun. So, I love building, and I love flying, but if
I'm not doing enough of either, I'm a grumpy dude - and it's my own
fault. Building has been such a big part of my life for what seems
like so long, sometimes I forget why I'm doing it.
To sum up - fly lots, build lots = happy cj
cj
On Dec 8, 2008, at 6:23 AM, David McNeill wrote:
> You are correct; the Glastar is a fantastic airplane. My buddy and
> I flew it into Zuni NM and then made some low passes for pictures
> over the propsed strip at 7500 msl in western NM. I doubt I will
> take the 10 in there due to bladed desert strip but the Glastar
> will be going there.
>
>
> On another note.
>
> Just took a man on a flight in the 10 . He has been working on an
> experimental for sometime and flying a Cessna. His near vision is
> deteriorating and he has to give up his medical. Just a word of
> advice /philosophy. Better keep both activities going as you never
> know when the ability to continue flying will cease. He indicated
> that this was his first flight with anyone since he discovered he
> will not be piloting any aircraft any more. Tis the season to be
> thankful.
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:00 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Updated Web Site
>
> I'm updating my web site (jessen-rv10.com) as I get ready to resume
> building. The additions might be of interest to one or two.
> There's a new section, called NW RV-10 Dinners. This holds
> pictures of the dinner gatherings we've had to date, and will also
> hold a notice about upcoming dinners, one of which will be in the
> Spring of 09. There's also a single page about my GlaStar. Please
> let me know if links don't work, etc.
>
> John Jessen
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://
> www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-
> List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhref="http://
> forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: keep building and keep flying |
Building and flying has been on my mind too. While finishing an oil
change on the Maule I realized that we've done less flying this 11th
year of ownership than in any previous year. But, I've done a lot more
building too.
Practically all of our Maule flying is for traveling. I can't remember
the last time we've driven over 100miles. But who wants to go anywhere
with the '10 sitting in the shop!
We had a flight planned from NC to south FL for a bit of R&R over
Thanksgiving. We made the trip but did it on the airlines. The problem
is that I've made the trip so many times flying the '10 in my head, that
I just can't face that 115knot cruise in the Maule. Spoiled already and
it's not even flying.
I'm really enjoying the build, sometimes even the sanding... well not
quite. But I'm really looking forward to the flying phase.
Bill "wiring the panel" Watson
40605
Chris Johnston wrote:
> This subject has been weighing heavily on my mind of late. For the
> past year my professional life has become increasingly challenging,
> with changing responsibility, higher workloads, and 80 and 90 hour
> weeks. Airplane building has suffered, but not stopped. Airplane
> flying, however, has come to a complete standstill. I've made the
> decision to look for something to fly while I'm finishing the build of
> my 10. It occurs to me that my mistake was not making this decision
> sooner. For me, the decision to buy something to fly has had a ripple
> effect that's done me some good, even if I end up not finding an
> airplane to buy before mine is done. If I want to fly something more
> entertaining than a Cessna, I needed to get a tailwheel endorsement.
> So I went down to get that done, and I ended up signing up for the
> aerobatic course. That's a fun saturday afternoon! Very different
> mindset from the last training I did which was my instrument rating.
> So getting my TW endorsement will take a bit longer because its
> included in an aerobatic curriculum - which means I need to go flying
> lots on the weekends for awhile. hooray! and funnily enough, I was
> happily sanding fiberglass for the rest of the weekend, doing stuff
> around the 10 that I've been putting off because it's not fun. So, I
> love building, and I love flying, but if I'm not doing enough of
> either, I'm a grumpy dude - and it's my own fault. Building has been
> such a big part of my life for what seems like so long, sometimes I
> forget why I'm doing it.
>
> To sum up - fly lots, build lots = happy cj
>
> cj
>
>
> On Dec 8, 2008, at 6:23 AM, David McNeill wrote:
>
>> You are correct; the Glastar is a fantastic airplane. My buddy and I
>> flew it into Zuni NM and then made some low passes for pictures over
>> the propsed strip at 7500 msl in western NM. I doubt I will take the
>> 10 in there due to bladed desert strip but the Glastar will be going
>> there.
>>
>>
>> On another note.
>>
>> Just took a man on a flight in the 10 . He has been working on an
>> experimental for sometime and flying a Cessna. His near vision is
>> deteriorating and he has to give up his medical. Just a word of
>> advice /philosophy. Better keep both activities going as you never
>> know when the ability to continue flying will cease. He indicated
>> that this was his first flight with anyone since he discovered he
>> will not be piloting any aircraft any more. Tis the season to be
>> thankful.
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John Jessen
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 08, 2008 12:00 AM
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Updated Web Site
>>
>> I'm updating my web site (jessen-rv10.com) as I get ready to resume
>> building. The additions might be of interest to one or two. There's
>> a new section, called NW RV-10 Dinners. This holds pictures of the
>> dinner gatherings we've had to date, and will also hold a notice
>> about upcoming dinners, one of which will be in the Spring of 09.
>> There's also a single page about my GlaStar. Please let me know if
>> links don't work, etc.
>>
>> John Jessen
>> *href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com*
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| Subject: | keep building and keep flying |
Chris,
I'm in agreement with Bill and David.
Of course, there is a problem with buying an airplane to fly while you're
building another, such as I did with the GlaStar. You get to flying and not
building! You also get to tinkering. I've replaced the altimeter, brake
pads, added two new brake master cylinders, flexible steel brake lines,
tires, had the starter rebuilt, put in a new battery, and of course I did a
thorough annual to not only get things all tuned up, which necessitated many
hours of manual reading, but also to become very familiar with the plane and
its systems. Next on the list is to add a landing light, do the fairings to
clean her up, install a stereo intercom and music input, an autopilot, new
seats, you get the idea.
Most importantly, however, there's a nice advantage to plane ownership while
building, besides the fun of flying and tinkering, and staying current. If
you buy carefully, it becomes an escrow account. I chose the GlaStar in
part because she is experimental, and thus I could work on her (having my
work signed off appropriately, of course) and keep the costs down. But more
importantly, she represents an escrow account for the RV-10's engine and
panel. When I get to the firewall forward and panel stages, I'll have a
decision to make. Either sell the RV-10 and keep the GlaStar, or sell the
GlaStar and finish the RV-10, because at that time I'll probably not be able
to afford both. It's going to be a tough choice.
Maybe the decision path should be to sell when needed to finish the RV-10,
fly the RV-10 for several years, then build a Sportsman! Make sense to me.
In the mean time, I get to fly my escrow account!
This is working out quite nicely, indeed. I highly recommend it. Heck,
you're going to spend the money for an engine and panel anyway, might as
well put it to good use now and enjoy. So, Chris, let us know when and what
you buy. Should be some good deals out there.
John Jessen
_____
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MauleDriver
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: keep building and keep flying
Building and flying has been on my mind too. While finishing an oil change
on the Maule I realized that we've done less flying this 11th year of
ownership than in any previous year. But, I've done a lot more building
too.
Practically all of our Maule flying is for traveling. I can't remember the
last time we've driven over 100miles. But who wants to go anywhere with the
'10 sitting in the shop!
We had a flight planned from NC to south FL for a bit of R&R over
Thanksgiving. We made the trip but did it on the airlines. The problem is
that I've made the trip so many times flying the '10 in my head, that I just
can't face that 115knot cruise in the Maule. Spoiled already and it's not
even flying.
I'm really enjoying the build, sometimes even the sanding... well not quite.
But I'm really looking forward to the flying phase.
Bill "wiring the panel" Watson
40605
Chris Johnston wrote:
This subject has been weighing heavily on my mind of late. For the past
year my professional life has become increasingly challenging, with changing
responsibility, higher workloads, and 80 and 90 hour weeks. Airplane
building has suffered, but not stopped. Airplane flying, however, has come
to a complete standstill. I've made the decision to look for something to
fly while I'm finishing the build of my 10. It occurs to me that my mistake
was not making this decision sooner. For me, the decision to buy something
to fly has had a ripple effect that's done me some good, even if I end up
not finding an airplane to buy before mine is done. If I want to fly
something more entertaining than a Cessna, I needed to get a tailwheel
endorsement. So I went down to get that done, and I ended up signing up for
the aerobatic course. That's a fun saturday afternoon! Very different
mindset from the last training I did which was my instrument rating. So
getting my TW endorsement will take a bit longer because its included in an
aerobatic curriculum - which means I need to go flying lots on the weekends
for awhile. hooray! and funnily enough, I was happily sanding fiberglass
for the rest of the weekend, doing stuff around the 10 that I've been
putting off because it's not fun. So, I love building, and I love flying,
but if I'm not doing enough of either, I'm a grumpy dude - and it's my own
fault. Building has been such a big part of my life for what seems like so
long, sometimes I forget why I'm doing it.
To sum up - fly lots, build lots = happy cj
cj
On Dec 8, 2008, at 6:23 AM, David McNeill wrote:
You are correct; the Glastar is a fantastic airplane. My buddy and I flew it
into Zuni NM and then made some low passes for pictures over the propsed
strip at 7500 msl in western NM. I doubt I will take the 10 in there due to
bladed desert strip but the Glastar will be going there.
On another note.
Just took a man on a flight in the 10 . He has been working on an
experimental for sometime and flying a Cessna. His near vision is
deteriorating and he has to give up his medical. Just a word of advice
/philosophy. Better keep both activities going as you never know when the
ability to continue flying will cease. He indicated that this was his first
flight with anyone since he discovered he will not be piloting any aircraft
any more. Tis the season to be thankful.
_____
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:00 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Updated Web Site
I'm updating my web site (jessen-rv10.com) as I get ready to resume
building. The additions might be of interest to one or two. There's a new
section, called NW RV-10 Dinners. This holds pictures of the dinner
gatherings we've had to date, and will also hold a notice about upcoming
dinners, one of which will be in the Spring of 09. There's also a single
page about my GlaStar. Please let me know if links don't work, etc.
John Jessen
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| Subject: | keep building and keep flying |
John,
In general I would have agreed with you in the past about
buying right and considering the aircraft as and escrow account.
Unfortunately times have changed and while one can drive a very good
deal now on used aircraft there is no guarantee there will be a buyer
when it's time to sell if you require getting something close to your
purchase price.
I, like you always considered my "fleet" of aircraft to basically cost
the "time value of money" as I have to date never sold a plane for less
than I purchased them (not considering maintenance, storage...) As
should be obvious to all by now there are some very tough times out
there and no one knows how bad things will get or how long this will
last. Items like RV (land), boats, vacation homes... are finding no
buyers. Ranger Boat one of the largest employers in AR has laid off 60%
of their work force and placed the rest on 3 days a week. Average salary
$13.00/hour. One might as well place a Toxic Waste sign on most Boat/RV
showrooms.
I am not trying to depress anyone or further depress myself, I am just
suggesting that selling a hard asset like an airplane may be a challenge
in this economic environment. Because Chris you may be fairly close to
the flying stage for your -10 maybe it not a bad idea to continue
renting or find an inexpensive local partnership.
That being said does anyone want to buy a Turbo Lance II, RV-6A, D-35
Bonanza, Cessna-150/150...Never mind...
Robin
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:31 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: keep building and keep flying
Chris,
I'm in agreement with Bill and David.
Of course, there is a problem with buying an airplane to fly while
you're building another, such as I did with the GlaStar. You get to
flying and not building! You also get to tinkering. I've replaced the
altimeter, brake pads, added two new brake master cylinders, flexible
steel brake lines, tires, had the starter rebuilt, put in a new battery,
and of course I did a thorough annual to not only get things all tuned
up, which necessitated many hours of manual reading, but also to become
very familiar with the plane and its systems. Next on the list is to add
a landing light, do the fairings to clean her up, install a stereo
intercom and music input, an autopilot, new seats, you get the idea.
Most importantly, however, there's a nice advantage to plane ownership
while building, besides the fun of flying and tinkering, and staying
current. If you buy carefully, it becomes an escrow account. I chose
the GlaStar in part because she is experimental, and thus I could work
on her (having my work signed off appropriately, of course) and keep the
costs down. But more importantly, she represents an escrow account for
the RV-10's engine and panel. When I get to the firewall forward and
panel stages, I'll have a decision to make. Either sell the RV-10 and
keep the GlaStar, or sell the GlaStar and finish the RV-10, because at
that time I'll probably not be able to afford both. It's going to be a
tough choice.
Maybe the decision path should be to sell when needed to finish the
RV-10, fly the RV-10 for several years, then build a Sportsman! Make
sense to me. In the mean time, I get to fly my escrow account!
This is working out quite nicely, indeed. I highly recommend it. Heck,
you're going to spend the money for an engine and panel anyway, might as
well put it to good use now and enjoy. So, Chris, let us know when and
what you buy. Should be some good deals out there.
John Jessen
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| Subject: | keep building and keep flying |
Robin, good points. One needs to think through this carefully, given the
high costs involved and financial times. In the meantime, if the timing is
right, and the dollars are available, and the price is right, etc etc. At
least you get to fly. When it comes time to sell, which in my case will be
several years away, hopefully the economy will have turned and I can break
even on the purchase price. Even if I don't break even, I've still enjoyed
the ownership and use. On the other hand, if the economy hasn't picked back
up, I can pause on the building and still get to fly. As you mention,
another very viable route is a flying club, with a partial ownership, and
that's something I did and enjoyed. There are all sorts of routes to
explore.
do not archive
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 11:25 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: keep building and keep flying
John,
In general I would have agreed with you in the past about buying
right and considering the aircraft as and escrow account. Unfortunately
times have changed and while one can drive a very good deal now on used
aircraft there is no guarantee there will be a buyer when it's time to sell
if you require getting something close to your purchase price.
I, like you always considered my "fleet" of aircraft to basically cost the
"time value of money" as I have to date never sold a plane for less than I
purchased them (not considering maintenance, storage.) As should be obvious
to all by now there are some very tough times out there and no one knows how
bad things will get or how long this will last. Items like RV (land), boats,
vacation homes. are finding no buyers. Ranger Boat one of the largest
employers in AR has laid off 60% of their work force and placed the rest on
3 days a week. Average salary $13.00/hour. One might as well place a Toxic
Waste sign on most Boat/RV showrooms.
I am not trying to depress anyone or further depress myself, I am just
suggesting that selling a hard asset like an airplane may be a challenge in
this economic environment. Because Chris you may be fairly close to the
flying stage for your -10 maybe it not a bad idea to continue renting or
find an inexpensive local partnership.
That being said does anyone want to buy a Turbo Lance II, RV-6A, D-35
Bonanza, Cessna-150/150.Never mind.
Robin
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:31 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: keep building and keep flying
Chris,
I'm in agreement with Bill and David.
Of course, there is a problem with buying an airplane to fly while you're
building another, such as I did with the GlaStar. You get to flying and not
building! You also get to tinkering. I've replaced the altimeter, brake
pads, added two new brake master cylinders, flexible steel brake lines,
tires, had the starter rebuilt, put in a new battery, and of course I did a
thorough annual to not only get things all tuned up, which necessitated many
hours of manual reading, but also to become very familiar with the plane and
its systems. Next on the list is to add a landing light, do the fairings to
clean her up, install a stereo intercom and music input, an autopilot, new
seats, you get the idea.
Most importantly, however, there's a nice advantage to plane ownership while
building, besides the fun of flying and tinkering, and staying current. If
you buy carefully, it becomes an escrow account. I chose the GlaStar in
part because she is experimental, and thus I could work on her (having my
work signed off appropriately, of course) and keep the costs down. But more
importantly, she represents an escrow account for the RV-10's engine and
panel. When I get to the firewall forward and panel stages, I'll have a
decision to make. Either sell the RV-10 and keep the GlaStar, or sell the
GlaStar and finish the RV-10, because at that time I'll probably not be able
to afford both. It's going to be a tough choice.
Maybe the decision path should be to sell when needed to finish the RV-10,
fly the RV-10 for several years, then build a Sportsman! Make sense to me.
In the mean time, I get to fly my escrow account!
This is working out quite nicely, indeed. I highly recommend it. Heck,
you're going to spend the money for an engine and panel anyway, might as
well put it to good use now and enjoy. So, Chris, let us know when and what
you buy. Should be some good deals out there.
John Jessen
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| Subject: | keep building and keep flying |
It seems many of us are letting our minds wonder. I have been putting in th
e hours hard on the 10 along with lifes responsibilities=2C aka work to ear
n a living.
Believe it or not have been building a special windscreen fairing and at th
e same time faring in my doors and windows. I am actually enjoying this par
t of the build the most. Micro----Sand---Micro=2C etc. As per purchasing an
other plane...not one unless I can build it.
For some reason I've been bit once but not shy...researching plans and and
manuals...looks like I've fallen back in love with another plane=2C is ther
e time to finish the 10 and build a Long Ez before I get too old or my shou
lders give out from sanding? What a collectors item that would be=2C too ni
ce to ever sell. Well they are only plans until you start the build and we
all know that will be a little later.
John at 42=2C coming up on 1600 hrs and it is a quickbuild.
Subject: RE: RV10-List: keep building and keep flyingDate: Mon=2C 8 Dec 200
8 14:25:06 -0500From: robin1@mrmoisture.comTo: rv10-list@matronics.com
John=2C
In general I would have agreed with you in the past about buyin
g right and considering the aircraft as and escrow account. Unfortunately t
imes have changed and while one can drive a very good deal now on used airc
raft there is no guarantee there will be a buyer when it=92s time to sell i
f you require getting something close to your purchase price.
I=2C like you always considered my =93fleet=94 of aircraft to basically cos
t the =93time value of money=94 as I have to date never sold a plane for le
ss than I purchased them (not considering maintenance=2C storage=85) As sho
uld be obvious to all by now there are some very tough times out there and
no one knows how bad things will get or how long this will last. Items like
RV (land)=2C boats=2C vacation homes=85 are finding no buyers. Ranger Boat
one of the largest employers in AR has laid off 60% of their work force an
d placed the rest on 3 days a week. Average salary $13.00/hour. One might a
s well place a Toxic Waste sign on most Boat/RV showrooms.
I am not trying to depress anyone or further depress myself=2C I am just su
ggesting that selling a hard asset like an airplane may be a challenge in t
his economic environment. Because Chris you may be fairly close to the flyi
ng stage for your -10 maybe it not a bad idea to continue renting or find a
n inexpensive local partnership.
That being said does anyone want to buy a Turbo Lance II=2C RV-6A=2C D-35 B
onanza=2C Cessna-150/150=85Never mind=85
Robin
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of John JessenSent: Monday=2C December 08=2C 2008 1
0:31 AMTo: rv10-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: RV10-List: keep building and
keep flying
Chris=2C
I'm in agreement with Bill and David.
Of course=2C there is a problem with buying an airplane to fly while you're
building another=2C such as I did with the GlaStar. You get to flying and
not building! You also get to tinkering. I've replaced the altimeter=2C bra
ke pads=2C added two new brake master cylinders=2C flexible steel brake lin
es=2C tires=2C had the starter rebuilt=2C put in a new battery=2C and of co
urse I did a thorough annual to not only get things all tuned up=2C which n
ecessitated many hours of manual reading=2C but also to become very familia
r with the plane and its systems. Next on the list is to add a landing ligh
t=2C do the fairings to clean her up=2C install a stereo intercom and music
input=2C an autopilot=2C new seats=2C you get the idea.
Most importantly=2C however=2C there's a nice advantage to plane ownership
while building=2C besides the fun of flying and tinkering=2C and staying cu
rrent. If you buy carefully=2C it becomes an escrow account. I chose the
GlaStar in part because she is experimental=2C and thus I could work on her
(having my work signed off appropriately=2C of course) and keep the costs
down. But more importantly=2C she represents an escrow account for the RV-1
0's engine and panel. When I get to the firewall forward and panel stages
=2C I'll have a decision to make. Either sell the RV-10 and keep the GlaSt
ar=2C or sell the GlaStar and finish the RV-10=2C because at that time I'll
probably not be able to afford both. It's going to be a tough choice.
Maybe the decision path should be to sell when needed to finish the RV-10
=2C fly the RV-10 for several years=2C then build a Sportsman! Make sense t
o me. In the mean time=2C I get to fly my escrow account!
This is working out quite nicely=2C indeed. I highly recommend it. Heck=2C
you're going to spend the money for an engine and panel anyway=2C might as
well put it to good use now and enjoy. So=2C Chris=2C let us know when an
d what you buy. Should be some good deals out there.
John Jessen
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I guess it would have worked out better as an escrow account if I had
thought of it before I bought everything for my 10! I've already
purchased the engine/prop (installed) and everything for the instrument
panel. Pretty much all I have to do is get my rear in gear and finish
the thing! Really, for me, I've always known that I wanted a tandem
seat taildragger for some fun aerobatics, and I've somehow got my
girlfriend to say the magic words "I guess you really do need two
airplanes..." so the boss is on board! So I'm basically not really
buying a plane with the intent to sell when my 10 is done... I'm buying
an aerobatic airplane so I can learn, stay current, and enjoy life a
little more. I may decide to sell it in the future, but that's not a
requirement to finish my 10. I basically learned to fly and then
started building an airplane immediately after. I have a habit of
becoming extremely focused on one thing to the exclusion of everything
else, and I think it's time to try to be a bit more well rounded, and
have a bit of fun in the process. But even if I don't find an aircraft
that fits the bill in the near future, I'll have a good time with the
process of safely transitioning into it.
cj
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Robin Marks
Sent: Mon 12/8/2008 11:25 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: keep building and keep flying
John,
In general I would have agreed with you in the past about
buying right and considering the aircraft as and escrow account.
Unfortunately times have changed and while one can drive a very good
deal now on used aircraft there is no guarantee there will be a buyer
when it's time to sell if you require getting something close to your
purchase price.
I, like you always considered my "fleet" of aircraft to basically cost
the "time value of money" as I have to date never sold a plane for less
than I purchased them (not considering maintenance, storage...) As
should be obvious to all by now there are some very tough times out
there and no one knows how bad things will get or how long this will
last. Items like RV (land), boats, vacation homes... are finding no
buyers. Ranger Boat one of the largest employers in AR has laid off 60%
of their work force and placed the rest on 3 days a week. Average salary
$13.00/hour. One might as well place a Toxic Waste sign on most Boat/RV
showrooms.
I am not trying to depress anyone or further depress myself, I am just
suggesting that selling a hard asset like an airplane may be a challenge
in this economic environment. Because Chris you may be fairly close to
the flying stage for your -10 maybe it not a bad idea to continue
renting or find an inexpensive local partnership.
That being said does anyone want to buy a Turbo Lance II, RV-6A, D-35
Bonanza, Cessna-150/150...Never mind...
Robin
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:31 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: keep building and keep flying
Chris,
I'm in agreement with Bill and David.
Of course, there is a problem with buying an airplane to fly while
you're building another, such as I did with the GlaStar. You get to
flying and not building! You also get to tinkering. I've replaced the
altimeter, brake pads, added two new brake master cylinders, flexible
steel brake lines, tires, had the starter rebuilt, put in a new battery,
and of course I did a thorough annual to not only get things all tuned
up, which necessitated many hours of manual reading, but also to become
very familiar with the plane and its systems. Next on the list is to add
a landing light, do the fairings to clean her up, install a stereo
intercom and music input, an autopilot, new seats, you get the idea.
Most importantly, however, there's a nice advantage to plane ownership
while building, besides the fun of flying and tinkering, and staying
current. If you buy carefully, it becomes an escrow account. I chose
the GlaStar in part because she is experimental, and thus I could work
on her (having my work signed off appropriately, of course) and keep the
costs down. But more importantly, she represents an escrow account for
the RV-10's engine and panel. When I get to the firewall forward and
panel stages, I'll have a decision to make. Either sell the RV-10 and
keep the GlaStar, or sell the GlaStar and finish the RV-10, because at
that time I'll probably not be able to afford both. It's going to be a
tough choice.
Maybe the decision path should be to sell when needed to finish the
RV-10, fly the RV-10 for several years, then build a Sportsman! Make
sense to me. In the mean time, I get to fly my escrow account!
This is working out quite nicely, indeed. I highly recommend it. Heck,
you're going to spend the money for an engine and panel anyway, might as
well put it to good use now and enjoy. So, Chris, let us know when and
what you buy. Should be some good deals out there.
John Jessen
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| Subject: | Re: keep building and keep flying |
Chris Johnston wrote:
> This subject has been weighing heavily on my mind of late. For the
> past year my professional life has become increasingly challenging,
> with changing responsibility, higher workloads, and 80 and 90 hour
> weeks. Airplane building has suffered, but not stopped. Airplane
> flying, however, has come to a complete standstill. I've made the
> decision to look for something to fly while I'm finishing the build of
> my 10.
This sounds like a good fit for you (From my Grumman list .... i already
have one and love the little sucker. Gonna miss it when the -10 is done!
:-( :
Hi Gang, I'm forced to sell my 1973 AA-1B, 150hp. I just put it in
Trade-A-Plane for 28,500 but I will take less. It just came out of an
extensive annual, both wings had to come off to re-seal fuel tanks, o-rings,
hoses, anything it needed, new muffler, new elt with remote button. Just
before the annual the flap motor was rebuilt, new plugs. My wife doesn't fly,
and I told her this one would be cheap to maintain Well I was close, it will
be cheap to maintain for the next owner. Engine has 840 smoh, good
compression, airframe has 3000, paint job is great, blue with some hot
stripping. My loss your gain, anyone interested, Merry Christmas, Pat.
> It occurs to me that my mistake was not making this decision sooner.
> For me, the decision to buy something to fly has had a ripple effect
> that's done me some good, even if I end up not finding an airplane to
> buy before mine is done. If I want to fly something more entertaining
> than a Cessna, I needed to get a tailwheel endorsement. So I went down
> to get that done, and I ended up signing up for the aerobatic course.
> That's a fun saturday afternoon! Very different mindset from the last
> training I did which was my instrument rating.
Aerobatics is the most fun thing you can do with your clothes on!! :-)
> So getting my TW endorsement will take a bit longer because its
> included in an aerobatic curriculum - which means I need to go flying
> lots on the weekends for awhile. hooray! and funnily enough, I was
> happily sanding fiberglass for the rest of the weekend, doing stuff
> around the 10 that I've been putting off because it's not fun. So, I
> love building, and I love flying, but if I'm not doing enough of
> either, I'm a grumpy dude - and it's my own fault. Building has been
> such a big part of my life for what seems like so long, sometimes I
> forget why I'm doing it.
>
> To sum up - fly lots, build lots = happy cj
Best advice on the planet!!!
Linn
>
> cj
>
>
> On Dec 8, 2008, at 6:23 AM, David McNeill wrote:
>
>> You are correct; the Glastar is a fantastic airplane. My buddy and I
>> flew it into Zuni NM and then made some low passes for pictures over
>> the propsed strip at 7500 msl in western NM. I doubt I will take the
>> 10 in there due to bladed desert strip but the Glastar will be going
>> there.
>> On another note.
>> Just took a man on a flight in the 10 . He has been working on an
>> experimental for sometime and flying a Cessna. His near vision is
>> deteriorating and he has to give up his medical. Just a word of
>> advice /philosophy. Better keep both activities going as you never
>> know when the ability to continue flying will cease. He indicated
>> that this was his first flight with anyone since he discovered he
>> will not be piloting any aircraft any more. Tis the season to be
>> thankful.
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John Jessen
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 08, 2008 12:00 AM
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Updated Web Site
>>
>> I'm updating my web site (jessen-rv10.com) as I get ready to resume
>> building. The additions might be of interest to one or two. There's a
>> new section, called NW RV-10 Dinners. This holds pictures of the
>> dinner gatherings we've had to date, and will also hold a notice
>> about upcoming dinners, one of which will be in the Spring of 09.
>> There's also a single page about my GlaStar. Please let me know if
>> links don't work, etc.
>> John Jessen
>> *href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com*
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| Subject: | keep building and keep flying |
Snip: I've somehow got my girlfriend to say the magic words "I guess you
really do need two airplanes..."
So your girlfriend in onboard but what did your wife say?
Sorry, could not resist...
Robin
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Johnston
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:54 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: keep building and keep flying
I guess it would have worked out better as an escrow account if I had
thought of it before I bought everything for my 10! I've already
purchased the engine/prop (installed) and everything for the instrument
panel. Pretty much all I have to do is get my rear in gear and finish
the thing! Really, for me, I've always known that I wanted a tandem
seat taildragger for some fun aerobatics, and I've somehow got my
girlfriend to say the magic words "I guess you really do need two
airplanes..." so the boss is on board! So I'm basically not really
buying a plane with the intent to sell when my 10 is done... I'm buying
an aerobatic airplane so I can learn, stay current, and enjoy life a
little more. I may decide to sell it in the future, but that's not a
requirement to finish my 10. I basically learned to fly and then
started building an airplane immediately after. I have a habit of
becoming extremely focused on one thing to the exclusion of everything
else, and I think it's time to try to be a bit more well rounded, and
have a bit of fun in the process. But even if I don't find an aircraft
that fits the bill in the near future, I'll have a good time with the
process of safely transitioning into it.
cj
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| Subject: | keep building and keep flying |
hahahaha! good one!
c
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Robin Marks
Sent: Mon 12/8/2008 1:51 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: keep building and keep flying
Snip: I've somehow got my girlfriend to say the magic words "I guess you
really do need two airplanes..."
So your girlfriend in onboard but what did your wife say?
Sorry, could not resist...
Robin
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Johnston
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:54 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: keep building and keep flying
I guess it would have worked out better as an escrow account if I had
thought of it before I bought everything for my 10! I've already
purchased the engine/prop (installed) and everything for the instrument
panel. Pretty much all I have to do is get my rear in gear and finish
the thing! Really, for me, I've always known that I wanted a tandem
seat taildragger for some fun aerobatics, and I've somehow got my
girlfriend to say the magic words "I guess you really do need two
airplanes..." so the boss is on board! So I'm basically not really
buying a plane with the intent to sell when my 10 is done... I'm buying
an aerobatic airplane so I can learn, stay current, and enjoy life a
little more. I may decide to sell it in the future, but that's not a
requirement to finish my 10. I basically learned to fly and then
started building an airplane immediately after. I have a habit of
becoming extremely focused on one thing to the exclusion of everything
else, and I think it's time to try to be a bit more well rounded, and
have a bit of fun in the process. But even if I don't find an aircraft
that fits the bill in the near future, I'll have a good time with the
process of safely transitioning into it.
cj
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| Subject: | Re: keep building and keep flying |
Thanks for the heads up Linn, but alas, I've already fallen in love
with a type! Now I just need to find the right one!!!
cj
On Dec 8, 2008, at 1:38 PM, linn Walters wrote:
> <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>
> Chris Johnston wrote:
>> This subject has been weighing heavily on my mind of late. For the
>> past year my professional life has become increasingly
>> challenging, with changing responsibility, higher workloads, and
>> 80 and 90 hour weeks. Airplane building has suffered, but not
>> stopped. Airplane flying, however, has come to a complete
>> standstill. I've made the decision to look for something to fly
>> while I'm finishing the build of my 10.
> This sounds like a good fit for you (From my Grumman list .... i
> already have one and love the little sucker. Gonna miss it when the
> -10 is done! :-( :
>
> Hi Gang, I'm forced to sell my 1973 AA-1B, 150hp. I just put it in
> Trade-A-Plane for 28,500 but I will take less. It just came out of an
> extensive annual, both wings had to come off to re-seal fuel tanks,
> o-rings,
> hoses, anything it needed, new muffler, new elt with remote button.
> Just
> before the annual the flap motor was rebuilt, new plugs. My wife
> doesn't fly,
> and I told her this one would be cheap to maintain Well I was
> close, it will
> be cheap to maintain for the next owner. Engine has 840 smoh, good
> compression, airframe has 3000, paint job is great, blue with some hot
> stripping. My loss your gain, anyone interested, Merry Christmas,
> Pat.
>
>
>> It occurs to me that my mistake was not making this decision
>> sooner. For me, the decision to buy something to fly has had a
>> ripple effect that's done me some good, even if I end up not
>> finding an airplane to buy before mine is done. If I want to fly
>> something more entertaining than a Cessna, I needed to get a
>> tailwheel endorsement. So I went down to get that done, and I
>> ended up signing up for the aerobatic course. That's a fun
>> saturday afternoon! Very different mindset from the last training
>> I did which was my instrument rating.
> Aerobatics is the most fun thing you can do with your clothes on!! :-)
>> So getting my TW endorsement will take a bit longer because its
>> included in an aerobatic curriculum - which means I need to go
>> flying lots on the weekends for awhile. hooray! and funnily
>> enough, I was happily sanding fiberglass for the rest of the
>> weekend, doing stuff around the 10 that I've been putting off
>> because it's not fun. So, I love building, and I love flying, but
>> if I'm not doing enough of either, I'm a grumpy dude - and it's my
>> own fault. Building has been such a big part of my life for what
>> seems like so long, sometimes I forget why I'm doing it.
>>
>> To sum up - fly lots, build lots = happy cj
> Best advice on the planet!!!
> Linn
>>
>> cj
>>
>>
>> On Dec 8, 2008, at 6:23 AM, David McNeill wrote:
>>
>>> You are correct; the Glastar is a fantastic airplane. My buddy
>>> and I flew it into Zuni NM and then made some low passes for
>>> pictures over the propsed strip at 7500 msl in western NM. I
>>> doubt I will take the 10 in there due to bladed desert strip but
>>> the Glastar will be going there.
>>> On another note.
>>> Just took a man on a flight in the 10 . He has been working on an
>>> experimental for sometime and flying a Cessna. His near vision is
>>> deteriorating and he has to give up his medical. Just a word of
>>> advice /philosophy. Better keep both activities going as you
>>> never know when the ability to continue flying will cease. He
>>> indicated that this was his first flight with anyone since he
>>> discovered he will not be piloting any aircraft any more. Tis the
>>> season to be thankful.
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ----
>>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-
>>> list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John Jessen
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 08, 2008 12:00 AM
>>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Updated Web Site
>>>
>>> I'm updating my web site (jessen-rv10.com) as I get ready to
>>> resume building. The additions might be of interest to one or
>>> two. There's a new section, called NW RV-10 Dinners. This holds
>>> pictures of the dinner gatherings we've had to date, and will
>>> also hold a notice about upcoming dinners, one of which will be
>>> in the Spring of 09. There's also a single page about my GlaStar.
>>> Please let me know if links don't work, etc.
>>> John Jessen
>>> *href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://
>>> www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-
>>> List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhref="http://
>>> forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com*
>>> * -- Please Support Your Lists (And Get Some
>>> AWESOME FREE November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click
>>> class="Apple-converted-space"> the Contribution link below to
>>> this year's Terrific class="Apple-converted-space"> List
>>> Contribution Web Site: class="Apple-converted-space"> --> http://
>>> www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you for your
>>> generous - The RV10-List
>>> Email Forum - class="Apple-converted-space"> --> http://
>>> www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List --> http://
>>> forums.matronics.com*
>>> *
>>> *
>> *
>> *
>> **
>>
>> **
>
>
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| Subject: | Andair Valve Installation |
I'm installing my Andair Valve under a plate at the top of the
tunnel... essentially the same location as Vans intended for their
valve except flush to the tunnel cover. I'm routing the scat tube
under the valve and between the fuel lines. I'll cut a hole in the
tunnel cover to the size of the Indicator Plate so the cover can be
removed without disturbing the valve.
For those with a similar installation (I think Deems may be one),
what type of screw are you using to attach the Indicator Plate,
through the mounting plate and valve and into the K1000-3 nutplates?
Do you have a spec to save me some hunting around?
Jeff Carpenter
40304
I think I've just started that 90% done 90% to go construction phase
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I used #8 screws and nut plates. I had to order a another valve with the extension to fit my console installation. The original valve I bought is for sale if any one is interested -- http://www.nwacaptain.com/4sale.html
Greg...
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Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH
www.nwacaptain.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218376#218376
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I ended up using some stainless steel hex head screws (Ace Hdware),
mostly because I couldn't readily get any of the Phillips button head
screws long enough.
Deems
Jeff Carpenter wrote:
>
> I'm installing my Andair Valve under a plate at the top of the
> tunnel... essentially the same location as Vans intended for their
> valve except flush to the tunnel cover. I'm routing the scat tube
> under the valve and between the fuel lines. I'll cut a hole in the
> tunnel cover to the size of the Indicator Plate so the cover can be
> removed without disturbing the valve.
>
> For those with a similar installation (I think Deems may be one), what
> type of screw are you using to attach the Indicator Plate, through the
> mounting plate and valve and into the K1000-3 nutplates? Do you have
> a spec to save me some hunting around?
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
> I think I've just started that 90% done 90% to go construction phase
>
>
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Here's what I did... and we made enough pieces to weld up 10.- I finished
the install, and it looks great.- Routing of the scat was easy.- Used
Van's bridge to support a connector.- Will take pics tomorrow.
Don McDonald
#40536
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com> wrote:
From: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Andair Valve Installation
<jeff@westcottpress.com>
I'm installing my Andair Valve under a plate at the top of the tunnel...
essentially the same location as Vans intended for their valve except flush
to
the tunnel cover. I'm routing the scat tube under the valve and between th
e
fuel lines. I'll cut a hole in the tunnel cover to the size of the
Indicator Plate so the cover can be removed without disturbing the valve.
For those with a similar installation (I think Deems may be one), what type
of
screw are you using to attach the Indicator Plate, through the mounting pla
te
and valve and into the K1000-3 nutplates? Do you have a spec to save me so
me
hunting around?
Jeff Carpenter
40304
I think I've just started that 90% done 90% to go construction phase
=0A=0A=0A
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Also, where I mounted mine was 5" forward of the Van's valve location.- M
oving it forward not only got it further out of the way, but the tunnel is
wider and the valve fits perfectly in the center... of course, being recess
ed also created more room.
Don McDonald.
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com> wrote:
From: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Andair Valve Installation
<jeff@westcottpress.com>
I'm installing my Andair Valve under a plate at the top of the tunnel...
essentially the same location as Vans intended for their valve except flush
to
the tunnel cover. I'm routing the scat tube under the valve and between th
e
fuel lines. I'll cut a hole in the tunnel cover to the size of the
Indicator Plate so the cover can be removed without disturbing the valve.
For those with a similar installation (I think Deems may be one), what type
of
screw are you using to attach the Indicator Plate, through the mounting pla
te
and valve and into the K1000-3 nutplates? Do you have a spec to save me so
me
hunting around?
Jeff Carpenter
40304
I think I've just started that 90% done 90% to go construction phase
=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: keep building and keep flying |
When my girl friend told me that I really need a (sail)plane, she
instantly became my wife... we just didn't know it at the time.
Bill "PIK20b" Watson
Robin Marks wrote:
>
> Snip: I've somehow got my girlfriend to say the magic words "I guess you
> really do need two airplanes..."
>
> So your girlfriend in onboard but what did your wife say?
>
> Sorry, could not resist...
> Robin
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
> Johnston
> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:54 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: keep building and keep flying
>
> I guess it would have worked out better as an escrow account if I had
> thought of it before I bought everything for my 10! I've already
> purchased the engine/prop (installed) and everything for the instrument
> panel. Pretty much all I have to do is get my rear in gear and finish
> the thing! Really, for me, I've always known that I wanted a tandem
> seat taildragger for some fun aerobatics, and I've somehow got my
> girlfriend to say the magic words "I guess you really do need two
> airplanes..." so the boss is on board! So I'm basically not really
> buying a plane with the intent to sell when my 10 is done... I'm buying
> an aerobatic airplane so I can learn, stay current, and enjoy life a
> little more. I may decide to sell it in the future, but that's not a
> requirement to finish my 10. I basically learned to fly and then
> started building an airplane immediately after. I have a habit of
> becoming extremely focused on one thing to the exclusion of everything
> else, and I think it's time to try to be a bit more well rounded, and
> have a bit of fun in the process. But even if I don't find an aircraft
> that fits the bill in the near future, I'll have a good time with the
> process of safely transitioning into it.
>
> cj
>
>
>
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Don,
That application looks really nice! If you have any more of
those metal cups you can use them to hold your beer.
We cut up an Cleveland wheel disk that was hanging around
and mounted the valve in the center of the cup.
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McDonald
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Andair Valve Installation
Here's what I did... and we made enough pieces to weld up 10. I
finished the install, and it looks great. Routing of the scat was easy.
Used Van's bridge to support a connector. Will take pics tomorrow.
Don McDonald
#40536
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com> wrote:
From: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Andair Valve Installation
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 5:20 PM
<jeff@westcottpress.com>
I'm installing my Andair Valve under a plate at the top of the
tunnel...
essentially the same location as Vans intended for their valve
except flush to
the tunnel cover. I'm routing the scat tube under the valve and
between the
fuel lines. I'll cut a hole in the tunnel cover to the size of
the
Indicator Plate so the cover can be removed without disturbing
the valve.
For those with a similar installation (I think Deems may be
one), what type of
screw are you using to attach the Indicator Plate, through the
mounting plate
and valve and into the K1000-3 nutplates? Do you have a spec to
save me some
hunting around?
Jeff Carpenter
40304
I think I've just started that 90% done 90% to go construction
phase
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Don't need em' for that... I bought some of those A&W cup holders..... you
know... ya just roll down the window and hang em'.
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Robin Marks <robin1@mrmoisture.com> wrote:
From: Robin Marks <robin1@mrmoisture.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Andair Valve Installation
Don,
----------- That application looks really nice! If yo
u have any more of those metal cups you can use them to hold your beer.
----------- We cut up an Cleveland wheel disk that wa
s hanging around and mounted the valve in the center of the cup.
-
Robin
-
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McDonald
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Andair Valve Installation
-
Here's what I did... and we made enough pieces to weld up 10.- I finished
the install, and it looks great.- Routing of the scat was easy.- Used
Van's bridge to support a connector.- Will take pics tomorrow.
Don McDonald
#40536
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com> wrote:
From: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Andair Valve Installation
f Carpenter<jeff@westcottpress.com> -I'm installing my Andair Valve under
a plate at the top of the tunnel...essentially the same location as Vans i
ntended for their valve except flush tothe tunnel cover.- I'm routing the
scat tube under the valve and between thefuel lines.- I'll cut a hole in
the tunnel cover to the size of theIndicator Plate so the cover can be rem
oved without disturbing the valve. -For those with a similar installation
(I think Deems may be one), what type ofscrew are you using to attach the
Indicator Plate, through the mounting plateand valve and into the K1000-3 n
utplates?- Do you have a spec to save me somehunting around? -Jeff Carp
enter40304I think I've just started that 90% done 90% to go construction ph
ase - - -
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you might consider segmenting the tunnel cover; it makes it very easy to
inspect beneath without a lot of disassembly
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 9:01 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Andair Valve Installation
Don,
That application looks really nice! If you have any more of
those metal cups you can use them to hold your beer.
We cut up an Cleveland wheel disk that was hanging around and
mounted the valve in the center of the cup.
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McDonald
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Andair Valve Installation
Here's what I did... and we made enough pieces to weld up 10. I finished
the install, and it looks great. Routing of the scat was easy. Used Van's
bridge to support a connector. Will take pics tomorrow.
Don McDonald
#40536
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com> wrote:
From: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Andair Valve Installation
<jeff@westcottpress.com>
I'm installing my Andair Valve under a plate at the top of the tunnel...
essentially the same location as Vans intended for their valve except flush
to
the tunnel cover. I'm routing the scat tube under the valve and between the
fuel lines. I'll cut a hole in the tunnel cover to the size of the
Indicator Plate so the cover can be removed without disturbing the valve.
For those with a similar installation (I think Deems may be one), what type
of
screw are you using to attach the Indicator Plate, through the mounting
plate
and valve and into the K1000-3 nutplates? Do you have a spec to save me
some
hunting around?
Jeff Carpenter
40304
I think I've just started that 90% done 90% to go construction phase
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We have since that photo was taken.
Thanks,
Robin
Do Not Archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 9:10 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Andair Valve Installation
you might consider segmenting the tunnel cover; it makes it very easy to
inspect beneath without a lot of disassembly
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 9:01 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Andair Valve Installation
Don,
That application looks really nice! If you have any more of
those metal cups you can use them to hold your beer.
We cut up an Cleveland wheel disk that was hanging around
and mounted the valve in the center of the cup.
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McDonald
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Andair Valve Installation
Here's what I did... and we made enough pieces to weld up 10. I
finished the install, and it looks great. Routing of the scat was easy.
Used Van's bridge to support a connector. Will take pics tomorrow.
Don McDonald
#40536
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com> wrote:
From: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Andair Valve Installation
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 5:20 PM
<jeff@westcottpress.com>
I'm installing my Andair Valve under a plate at the top of the
tunnel...
essentially the same location as Vans intended for their valve
except flush to
the tunnel cover. I'm routing the scat tube under the valve and
between the
fuel lines. I'll cut a hole in the tunnel cover to the size of
the
Indicator Plate so the cover can be removed without disturbing
the valve.
For those with a similar installation (I think Deems may be
one), what type of
screw are you using to attach the Indicator Plate, through the
mounting plate
and valve and into the K1000-3 nutplates? Do you have a spec to
save me some
hunting around?
Jeff Carpenter
40304
I think I've just started that 90% done 90% to go construction
phase
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