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1. 05:46 AM - Re: ceramic coating on exhaust (gary)
2. 06:18 AM - Re: ceramic coating on exhaust (Kelly McMullen)
3. 06:33 AM - Re: Advanced Flight Systems AOA Pro Version (David Maib)
4. 06:36 AM - Re: ceramic coating on exhaust (gary)
5. 06:43 AM - Re: Advanced Flight Systems AOA Pro Version (gary)
6. 07:01 AM - Re: ceramic coating on exhaust (Rhonda Bewley)
7. 07:01 AM - Re: ceramic coating on exhaust (Bob Leffler)
8. 07:17 AM - Re: ceramic coating on exhaust (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
9. 07:17 AM - Re: ceramic coating on exhaust (Kelly McMullen)
10. 07:20 AM - Re: ceramic coating on exhaust (Rhonda Bewley)
11. 07:28 AM - Re: ceramic coating on exhaust (BPA)
12. 07:30 AM - Re: ceramic coating on exhaust (Rhonda Bewley)
13. 08:18 AM - Re: ceramic coating on exhaust (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
14. 10:00 AM - Re: AC Weight and Balance App (lbgjb10)
15. 10:34 AM - Re: ceramic coating on exhaust (Marcus Cooper)
16. 10:51 AM - Re: ceramic coating on exhaust (Deems Davis)
17. 11:55 AM - OT - I want one - Apple iPad (jkreidler)
18. 12:09 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (Dj Merrill)
19. 12:50 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (Danny Riggs)
20. 01:04 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (John Trollinger)
21. 01:11 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (Ron McGann)
22. 01:12 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (Jae Chang)
23. 01:37 PM - Re: ceramic coating on exhaust (John Cox)
24. 01:37 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (Jeff Carpenter)
25. 01:45 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (Perry, Phil)
26. 01:53 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
27. 01:57 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
28. 02:40 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (Jeff Carpenter)
29. 02:40 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (Perry, Phil)
30. 02:41 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
31. 02:41 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (Danny Riggs)
32. 02:55 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (Dj Merrill)
33. 03:46 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (Robin Marks)
34. 03:48 PM - Re: Advanced Flight Systems AOA Pro Version (David Maib)
35. 04:03 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (Miller John)
36. 04:33 PM - Re: Log book recommendations (Jim Berry)
37. 04:42 PM - Re: Advanced Flight Systems AOA Pro Version (N777TY)
38. 04:47 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (Chris Colohan)
39. 04:47 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (Chris Colohan)
40. 05:16 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (Dave Saylor)
41. 05:32 PM - Re: Re: Log book recommendations (Dave Saylor)
42. 05:33 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (Perry, Phil)
43. 05:33 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
44. 05:46 PM - In-flight Entertainment & LCD Screens... (Matt Dralle)
45. 08:44 PM - Re: ceramic coating on exhaust (Scott Schmidt)
46. 09:09 PM - Possible Door Handle Solution (Scott Schmidt)
47. 09:27 PM - Re: Possible Door Handle Solution (Deems Davis)
48. 11:14 PM - Re: ceramic coating on exhaust (Robin Marks)
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| Subject: | ceramic coating on exhaust |
I have the same setup as Robin, Barrett cold air induction, Forsling
exhaust, and oil cooler on firewall. I get plenty of cabin heat. I do not
have ceramic coating on my exhaust. Just another data point.
Gary Specketer
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:39 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: ceramic coating on exhaust
Chris,
Let me explain what I know and extract backwards.
I have:
* Forsling double ceramic coated exhaust system.
* Well documented heat issues (hot engine)
* S/S fire wall mounted heater valves
* Dual Heat Muffs (one cut down by 25% to properly fit the exhaust
tube)
* Generally direct heating duct paths
Unlike most of the -10 fleet I am unable to get enough heat into my cabin.
Tim and others have noted that at HALF heat setting you can bake Brownies.
Ok, ok maybe not that hot but comfortable enough to fly in Wisconsin for
gosh sakes. In my ship with FULL heat and OAT's at about 30F I am
uncomfortable with a T-Shirt, long-sleeved shirt and a vest or beanie. For
any length of flight I have to bring gloves and a few times was shivering a
bit. I do have a little leak in my cabin where the overhead console wraps
around the door support bracket but that is not the problem. I have a pretty
tight seal overall. Not nearly enough heat is coming out of the heating
system. I have checked connections and the function of the heater valves;
all good. The only thing I can put my finger on is that the double ceramic
coating is doing what it's advertised to do; send the heat out the bottom of
the tube. I have seen a demonstration of a hot Harley shut down and 15
seconds later you can grab the exhaust. Don't try that with your car
exhaust.
I have also heard that some owners have been experiencing the coatings
chipping or coming off the surface of the pipes. Mine look good externally
so far (120 hours) but who knows what they look like inside and who knows
what it will look like or perform like at 820 hours.
I really didn't give the coating a second thought when ordering the pipes.
Upgrade, more power, "SURE, I'll Take Two!" The coatings may not be the
problem but I am hard pressed to see what else it could be. Throw in the
potential to degrade and I would be just as happy to save the $ and use what
has been on every other plane I have ever own or flown. Standard exhaust
tubing.
A note of personal privilege. I know people can read into the written word
many different things. I hate for some to take away that I am always
complaining about everything. Blah, blah James Cowl (and all it's
ramifications), blah, blah Garmin, blah, blah LOP and my famous %#@*&$!
Painter. The whole process was a learning experience for me. Most issues are
cleaned with just heat issues remaining. LOP flight has given me a path to
rest my engine while I figure things out. I love the plane, love it's
systems, I use it a lot for work & pleasure and surprisingly have stopped
dreaming of what I want next. (ok, except for the 8A due to fly in 2010.
Teehee).
Robin
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Johnston
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ceramic coating on exhaust
Not to hijack, but why would you not ceramic coat the exhaust again? That
became a standard issue item for me when I built cars, and I expected to do
the same for the airplane. What gives?
cj
On Jan 26, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
No muffler. The exhaust is a Forsling exhaust with megaphone type collector
area. Looks great, sounds great. Mine happen to be ceramic coated inside and
out which I would not do again.
Better view of exhaust. Photo attached.
The heat muff is a standard heat muff cut down (slightly) to fit a flat area
of the exhaust on co-pilot side. Pilots side untouched as you can see from
the photo.
If you want a muffler I think others are using the Vetterman system. I have
seen a few and they are beautiful units too. Others can surely comment
better than me on those systems.
Of note. as nice as these photos are, I am REALLY happy to be past this
stage and burning 100LL and not fingertips.
Robin
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:48 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Check Valve & Gascolator
Robin,
Real nice installation FWF! What muffler and heat muff are you using?
Marcus
40286
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| Subject: | Re: ceramic coating on exhaust |
James cowl or Vans?
Is there a real difference in power or economy with the cold air
induction and/or Forsling exhaust? I understand the theoretical for
the cold air induction, and if the exhaust is better tuned, etc. Just
wondering if the final result is more speed, more climb and/or better
fuel economy, so I can sugar coat the $$ expenditure.
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:45 AM, gary <speckter@comcast.net> wrote:
> I have the same setup as Robin, Barrett cold air induction, Forsling
> exhaust, and oil cooler on firewall. I get plenty of cabin heat. I do not
> have ceramic coating on my exhaust. Just another data point.
>
>
> Gary Specketer
>
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| Subject: | Re: Advanced Flight Systems AOA Pro Version |
Mine has been working perfectly for more than a year. Nice and bright
in daylight, and the dim button works as advertised at night. My only
complaint is that I have not figured out how to lower the volume on
the voice alerts from the AOA. It's way too loud for me.
David Maib
40559
flying
On Jan 26, 2010, at 6:13 PM, John Dunne wrote:
Anybody else with a Pro version AOA have problems with the dimmer
function?
All else works O.K but can only see a faint display.
Appreciate any suggestions or clues on this particular problem.
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| Subject: | ceramic coating on exhaust |
I have a modified Van's cowl and regular baffling. I bought this engine
used
and it had the cold air induction. I have not done any scientific or
side
by side tests to tell if I get more power. I know they get more power
on
the dyno at Barrett than a standard set up. Fuel economy is a direct
function of power produced. At full power I suspect I burn more because
of
the increased horsepower, but at cruse it should be the same.
Gary Specketer
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McMullen
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ceramic coating on exhaust
James cowl or Vans?
Is there a real difference in power or economy with the cold air
induction and/or Forsling exhaust? I understand the theoretical for
the cold air induction, and if the exhaust is better tuned, etc. Just
wondering if the final result is more speed, more climb and/or better
fuel economy, so I can sugar coat the $$ expenditure.
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:45 AM, gary <speckter@comcast.net> wrote:
> I have the same setup as Robin, Barrett cold air induction, Forsling
> exhaust, and oil cooler on firewall.- I get plenty of cabin heat.-
I do
not
> have ceramic coating on my exhaust.- Just another data point.
>
>
> Gary Specketer
>
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| Subject: | Advanced Flight Systems AOA Pro Version |
When it yells "angle, angle, push, push", my wife says that it is obscene.
Gary Specketer
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Maib
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Advanced Flight Systems AOA Pro Version
Mine has been working perfectly for more than a year. Nice and bright in
daylight, and the dim button works as advertised at night. My only complaint
is that I have not figured out how to lower the volume on the voice alerts
from the AOA. It's way too loud for me.
David Maib
40559
flying
On Jan 26, 2010, at 6:13 PM, John Dunne wrote:
Anybody else with a Pro version AOA have problems with the dimmer function?
All else works O.K but can only see a faint display.
Appreciate any suggestions or clues on this particular problem.
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| Subject: | ceramic coating on exhaust |
The cold air system adds 15-20 additional hp to the engine, so a stock compression
540 with cold air should run in the 275-280 range. Gary is correct regarding
fuel burn. Fuel burn should increase to 26 gallons/hour at full power.
With 9:1 compression, we see around 290-290 hp and up to around 300 hp with 10:1
compression. These are verified hp numbers based on years of testing 540s with
various compression/sump set ups. We don't encourage RV-10 drivers to go
10:1, due to reliability and TBO issues. It might interest you to know that Red
Bull pilots run 10:1 max in their race engines.
Rhonda Barrett-Bewley
Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.
2870-B N. Sheridan Rd.
Tulsa, OK 74115
(918) 835-1089 phone
(918) 835-1754 fax
www.barrettprecisionengines.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 8:36 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: ceramic coating on exhaust
I have a modified Van's cowl and regular baffling. I bought this engine used
and it had the cold air induction. I have not done any scientific or side
by side tests to tell if I get more power. I know they get more power on
the dyno at Barrett than a standard set up. Fuel economy is a direct
function of power produced. At full power I suspect I burn more because of
the increased horsepower, but at cruse it should be the same.
Gary Specketer
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ceramic coating on exhaust
James cowl or Vans?
Is there a real difference in power or economy with the cold air
induction and/or Forsling exhaust? I understand the theoretical for
the cold air induction, and if the exhaust is better tuned, etc. Just
wondering if the final result is more speed, more climb and/or better
fuel economy, so I can sugar coat the $$ expenditure.
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:45 AM, gary <speckter@comcast.net> wrote:
> I have the same setup as Robin, Barrett cold air induction, Forsling
> exhaust, and oil cooler on firewall. I get plenty of cabin heat. I do
not
> have ceramic coating on my exhaust. Just another data point.
>
>
> Gary Specketer
>
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| Subject: | ceramic coating on exhaust |
Kelly,
You may want to take a look at Rod Bower's site
(http://www.ramairforhomebuilts.com/) . Not only does he have a nice
ram/alternate air solution, he also has a bottom scoop that will fit on a
standard cowl. He now has products for both horizontal and vertical sumps.
Bob
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ceramic coating on exhaust
James cowl or Vans?
Is there a real difference in power or economy with the cold air
induction and/or Forsling exhaust? I understand the theoretical for
the cold air induction, and if the exhaust is better tuned, etc. Just
wondering if the final result is more speed, more climb and/or better
fuel economy, so I can sugar coat the $$ expenditure.
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:45 AM, gary <speckter@comcast.net> wrote:
> I have the same setup as Robin, Barrett cold air induction, Forsling
> exhaust, and oil cooler on firewall. I get plenty of cabin heat. I do
not
> have ceramic coating on my exhaust. Just another data point.
>
>
> Gary Specketer
>
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| Subject: | ceramic coating on exhaust |
Vetterman is now making an exhaust that will work with the Cold Air setup and
it's basically the same price as the Forsling. However where the Forsling is
"tuned" (equal length pipes) the Vetterman is not. Again, well known theoretical
and proven performance increase from equal length pies. I went with the
Vetterman because I was concerned about the heat output of the Forsling for cabin
heat but that sounds like it's not really an issue as long as you don't ceramic
coat or at least mask the muff area off.
I also went with the James cowl, but again, it was before Gary and others with
the experience in fiberglass had paved the way for modifying the original.
I have also heard that once you ceramic coat you cannot weld a pipe. Something
about it getting into the pores of the SS and how it blocks heat transfer during
the welding process can cause a porous and weak weld. Of course the real
advantage to ceramic coating is that it should keep the heat contained in the
pipe which increases exhaust velocity and scavenging but I don't think it really
helps much with our old big block engines and in some cases it seems it can
hurt.
If I was to do it today I would:
- Barrett Cold Air
- Stock cowl
- Baffles
- Uncoated Forsling exhaust
My $0.002
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ceramic coating on exhaust
James cowl or Vans?
Is there a real difference in power or economy with the cold air
induction and/or Forsling exhaust? I understand the theoretical for
the cold air induction, and if the exhaust is better tuned, etc. Just
wondering if the final result is more speed, more climb and/or better
fuel economy, so I can sugar coat the $$ expenditure.
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:45 AM, gary <speckter@comcast.net> wrote:
> I have the same setup as Robin, Barrett cold air induction, Forsling
> exhaust, and oil cooler on firewall. I get plenty of cabin heat. I do not
> have ceramic coating on my exhaust. Just another data point.
>
>
> Gary Specketer
>
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| Subject: | Re: ceramic coating on exhaust |
Thanks Rhonda. Answers my questions. Seems if we are to believe the
stories of 100LL demise, anything over stock compression might have issues.
Rhonda Bewley wrote:
>
> The cold air system adds 15-20 additional hp to the engine, so a stock compression
540 with cold air should run in the 275-280 range. Gary is correct regarding
fuel burn. Fuel burn should increase to 26 gallons/hour at full power.
>
> With 9:1 compression, we see around 290-290 hp and up to around 300 hp with 10:1
compression. These are verified hp numbers based on years of testing 540s
with various compression/sump set ups. We don't encourage RV-10 drivers to go
10:1, due to reliability and TBO issues. It might interest you to know that
Red Bull pilots run 10:1 max in their race engines.
>
> Rhonda Barrett-Bewley
> Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.
> 2870-B N. Sheridan Rd.
> Tulsa, OK 74115
> (918) 835-1089 phone
> (918) 835-1754 fax
> www.barrettprecisionengines.com
>
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| Subject: | ceramic coating on exhaust |
If you believe . . . . :D
Rhonda
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McMullen
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ceramic coating on exhaust
Thanks Rhonda. Answers my questions. Seems if we are to believe the
stories of 100LL demise, anything over stock compression might have
issues.
Rhonda Bewley wrote:
<Rhonda@bpaengines.com>
>
> The cold air system adds 15-20 additional hp to the engine, so a stock
compression 540 with cold air should run in the 275-280 range. Gary is
correct regarding fuel burn. Fuel burn should increase to 26
gallons/hour at full power.
>
> With 9:1 compression, we see around 290-290 hp and up to around 300 hp
with 10:1 compression. These are verified hp numbers based on years of
testing 540s with various compression/sump set ups. We don't encourage
RV-10 drivers to go 10:1, due to reliability and TBO issues. It might
interest you to know that Red Bull pilots run 10:1 max in their race
engines.
>
> Rhonda Barrett-Bewley
> Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.
> 2870-B N. Sheridan Rd.
> Tulsa, OK 74115
> (918) 835-1089 phone
> (918) 835-1754 fax
> www.barrettprecisionengines.com
>
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| Subject: | ceramic coating on exhaust |
Michael, what would you do for ignition? :)
Allen
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:17 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: ceramic coating on exhaust
Vetterman is now making an exhaust that will work with the Cold Air setup and
it's basically the same price as the Forsling. However where the Forsling is
"tuned" (equal length pipes) the Vetterman is not. Again, well known theoretical
and proven performance increase from equal length pies. I went with the
Vetterman because I was concerned about the heat output of the Forsling for cabin
heat but that sounds like it's not really an issue as long as you don't ceramic
coat or at least mask the muff area off.
I also went with the James cowl, but again, it was before Gary and others with
the experience in fiberglass had paved the way for modifying the original.
I have also heard that once you ceramic coat you cannot weld a pipe. Something
about it getting into the pores of the SS and how it blocks heat transfer during
the welding process can cause a porous and weak weld. Of course the real
advantage to ceramic coating is that it should keep the heat contained in the
pipe which increases exhaust velocity and scavenging but I don't think it really
helps much with our old big block engines and in some cases it seems it can
hurt.
If I was to do it today I would:
- Barrett Cold Air
- Stock cowl
- Baffles
- Uncoated Forsling exhaust
My $0.002
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ceramic coating on exhaust
James cowl or Vans?
Is there a real difference in power or economy with the cold air
induction and/or Forsling exhaust? I understand the theoretical for
the cold air induction, and if the exhaust is better tuned, etc. Just
wondering if the final result is more speed, more climb and/or better
fuel economy, so I can sugar coat the $$ expenditure.
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:45 AM, gary <speckter@comcast.net> wrote:
> I have the same setup as Robin, Barrett cold air induction, Forsling
> exhaust, and oil cooler on firewall. I get plenty of cabin heat. I do not
> have ceramic coating on my exhaust. Just another data point.
>
>
> Gary Specketer
>
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| Subject: | ceramic coating on exhaust |
We have been coating the exterior of intake pipes and exhaust for this year's RB
engines we are building. One of the biggest problems with ceramic coating is
the quality of the application. We would never do the inside of intake pipes
because if it did chip off, it would go directly to the valves. Not a good
situation.
The guy I'm using to do my coating said that you have to grind off the coating
to reweld. We asked, because we do have to reweld intake pipes on the cold air
occasionally. You can always wrap your exhaust to try and get the same effect
on the scavenging.
Rhonda
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:17 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: ceramic coating on exhaust
Vetterman is now making an exhaust that will work with the Cold Air setup and
it's basically the same price as the Forsling. However where the Forsling is
"tuned" (equal length pipes) the Vetterman is not. Again, well known theoretical
and proven performance increase from equal length pies. I went with the
Vetterman because I was concerned about the heat output of the Forsling for cabin
heat but that sounds like it's not really an issue as long as you don't ceramic
coat or at least mask the muff area off.
I also went with the James cowl, but again, it was before Gary and others with
the experience in fiberglass had paved the way for modifying the original.
I have also heard that once you ceramic coat you cannot weld a pipe. Something
about it getting into the pores of the SS and how it blocks heat transfer during
the welding process can cause a porous and weak weld. Of course the real
advantage to ceramic coating is that it should keep the heat contained in the
pipe which increases exhaust velocity and scavenging but I don't think it really
helps much with our old big block engines and in some cases it seems it can
hurt.
If I was to do it today I would:
- Barrett Cold Air
- Stock cowl
- Baffles
- Uncoated Forsling exhaust
My $0.002
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ceramic coating on exhaust
James cowl or Vans?
Is there a real difference in power or economy with the cold air
induction and/or Forsling exhaust? I understand the theoretical for
the cold air induction, and if the exhaust is better tuned, etc. Just
wondering if the final result is more speed, more climb and/or better
fuel economy, so I can sugar coat the $$ expenditure.
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:45 AM, gary <speckter@comcast.net> wrote:
> I have the same setup as Robin, Barrett cold air induction, Forsling
> exhaust, and oil cooler on firewall. I get plenty of cabin heat. I do not
> have ceramic coating on my exhaust. Just another data point.
>
>
> Gary Specketer
>
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LIGHTSPEEDS! ROFLMAO!!!
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Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:35 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: ceramic coating on exhaust
Michael, what would you do for ignition? :)
Allen
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:17 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: ceramic coating on exhaust
Vetterman is now making an exhaust that will work with the Cold Air setup and
it's basically the same price as the Forsling. However where the Forsling is
"tuned" (equal length pipes) the Vetterman is not. Again, well known theoretical
and proven performance increase from equal length pies. I went with the
Vetterman because I was concerned about the heat output of the Forsling for cabin
heat but that sounds like it's not really an issue as long as you don't ceramic
coat or at least mask the muff area off.
I also went with the James cowl, but again, it was before Gary and others with
the experience in fiberglass had paved the way for modifying the original.
I have also heard that once you ceramic coat you cannot weld a pipe. Something
about it getting into the pores of the SS and how it blocks heat transfer during
the welding process can cause a porous and weak weld. Of course the real
advantage to ceramic coating is that it should keep the heat contained in the
pipe which increases exhaust velocity and scavenging but I don't think it really
helps much with our old big block engines and in some cases it seems it can
hurt.
If I was to do it today I would:
- Barrett Cold Air
- Stock cowl
- Baffles
- Uncoated Forsling exhaust
My $0.002
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ceramic coating on exhaust
James cowl or Vans?
Is there a real difference in power or economy with the cold air
induction and/or Forsling exhaust? I understand the theoretical for
the cold air induction, and if the exhaust is better tuned, etc. Just
wondering if the final result is more speed, more climb and/or better
fuel economy, so I can sugar coat the $$ expenditure.
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:45 AM, gary <speckter@comcast.net> wrote:
> I have the same setup as Robin, Barrett cold air induction, Forsling
> exhaust, and oil cooler on firewall. I get plenty of cabin heat. I do not
> have ceramic coating on my exhaust. Just another data point.
>
>
> Gary Specketer
>
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neat, wished someone would do this for iPhone. lbb
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| Subject: | ceramic coating on exhaust |
Here's a question regarding wrapping the pipes. I did this on my first
airplane (Q-2) mostly because it seemed like a good idea. I had a number of
folks later on recommend against it as the wrapping has a tendency to hold
moisture and increase corrosion. Perhaps with stainless pipes (I presume
they all are now) that would alleviate the concern but I'd like to hear any
opinions as I'd consider wrapping the pipes now if there's no downside.
In case it matters, I have 435 hours on the airplane (it's great BTW!) so
any issues with wrapping at this point in its life?
Thanks,
Marcus
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Bewley
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:36 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: ceramic coating on exhaust
We have been coating the exterior of intake pipes and exhaust for this
year's RB engines we are building. One of the biggest problems with ceramic
coating is the quality of the application. We would never do the inside of
intake pipes because if it did chip off, it would go directly to the valves.
Not a good situation.
The guy I'm using to do my coating said that you have to grind off the
coating to reweld. We asked, because we do have to reweld intake pipes on
the cold air occasionally. You can always wrap your exhaust to try and get
the same effect on the scavenging.
Rhonda
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:17 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: ceramic coating on exhaust
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Vetterman is now making an exhaust that will work with the Cold Air setup
and it's basically the same price as the Forsling. However where the
Forsling is "tuned" (equal length pipes) the Vetterman is not. Again, well
known theoretical and proven performance increase from equal length pies.
I went with the Vetterman because I was concerned about the heat output of
the Forsling for cabin heat but that sounds like it's not really an issue as
long as you don't ceramic coat or at least mask the muff area off.
I also went with the James cowl, but again, it was before Gary and others
with the experience in fiberglass had paved the way for modifying the
original.
I have also heard that once you ceramic coat you cannot weld a pipe.
Something about it getting into the pores of the SS and how it blocks heat
transfer during the welding process can cause a porous and weak weld. Of
course the real advantage to ceramic coating is that it should keep the heat
contained in the pipe which increases exhaust velocity and scavenging but I
don't think it really helps much with our old big block engines and in some
cases it seems it can hurt.
If I was to do it today I would:
- Barrett Cold Air
- Stock cowl
- Baffles
- Uncoated Forsling exhaust
My $0.002
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ceramic coating on exhaust
James cowl or Vans?
Is there a real difference in power or economy with the cold air
induction and/or Forsling exhaust? I understand the theoretical for
the cold air induction, and if the exhaust is better tuned, etc. Just
wondering if the final result is more speed, more climb and/or better
fuel economy, so I can sugar coat the $$ expenditure.
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:45 AM, gary <speckter@comcast.net> wrote:
> I have the same setup as Robin, Barrett cold air induction, Forsling
> exhaust, and oil cooler on firewall. I get plenty of cabin heat. I do
not
> have ceramic coating on my exhaust. Just another data point.
>
>
> Gary Specketer
>
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| Subject: | Re: ceramic coating on exhaust |
IMO, the power increase from Cold Air is very real (so is the fuel
consumption @ WOT).
Any performance increases from the James cowl & plenum are unrecognizable
Tuned Forsling exhaust ceramic coated inside and out is less rediated
heat in the lower cowl and better scavenging. I took one of my heat
muffs off and only have heat supplied to 1/2 of the cabin. The coolest
OAT's I've flown in were 0 degs C. And we had no problem keeping the
cabin cozy, even had to reduce the valve somewhat.
Deems Davis
N519PJ
www.deemsrv10.com
On 1/27/2010 7:15 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen<apilot2@gmail.com>
>
> James cowl or Vans?
> Is there a real difference in power or economy with the cold air
> induction and/or Forsling exhaust? I understand the theoretical for
> the cold air induction, and if the exhaust is better tuned, etc. Just
> wondering if the final result is more speed, more climb and/or better
> fuel economy, so I can sugar coat the $$ expenditure.
>
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:45 AM, gary<speckter@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I have the same setup as Robin, Barrett cold air induction, Forsling
>> exhaust, and oil cooler on firewall. I get plenty of cabin heat. I do not
>> have ceramic coating on my exhaust. Just another data point.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gary Specketer
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | OT - I want one - Apple iPad |
Looks like Apple just released the iPad... Starts at $499, 1.5 lbs, 1/2" thick.
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4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying - #40617
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On 01/27/2010 02:54 PM, jkreidler wrote:
>
> Looks like Apple just released the iPad... Starts at $499, 1.5 lbs, 1/2" thick.
<http://i.engadget.com/2010/01/27/live-from-the-apple-tablet-latest-creation-event/?sort=newest&refresh=30>
has some pics and details of the presentation.
-Dj
--
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Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/
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| Subject: | OT - I want one - Apple iPad |
Once the apps get written for this product I can see some real use in the c
ockpit. So far I've been underwhelmed by what's out there. This may be diff
erent. Gonna hold out until April until the better unit is released. Go to
www.apple.com and watch the movie about it. pretty cool. Dan
> Date: Wed=2C 27 Jan 2010 15:05:46 -0500
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
> From: deej@deej.net
>
>
> On 01/27/2010 02:54 PM=2C jkreidler wrote:
t.com>
> >
> > Looks like Apple just released the iPad... Starts at $499=2C 1.5 lbs
=2C 1/2" thick.
>
>
> <http://i.engadget.com/2010/01/27/live-from-the-apple-tablet-latest-creat
ion-event/?sort=newest&refresh=30>
>
> has some pics and details of the presentation.
>
> -Dj
>
> --
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> Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
> Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/
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| Subject: | Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad |
perfect size for a electronic flight bag... approach plates will look great
on it
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net> wrote:
>
> On 01/27/2010 02:54 PM, jkreidler wrote:
> jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>
> >
> > Looks like Apple just released the iPad... Starts at $499, 1.5 lbs, 1/2"
> thick.
>
>
> <
> http://i.engadget.com/2010/01/27/live-from-the-apple-tablet-latest-creation-event/?sort=newest&refresh=30
> >
>
> has some pics and details of the presentation.
>
> -Dj
>
> --
> Dj Merrill - N1JOV
> Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
> Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/
>
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| Subject: | OT - I want one - Apple iPad |
Looks beautiful. But is there a GPS in it or not? What's a 'Digital
compass' and 'Assisted GPS (Wi-Fi + 3G model)'?? (per their Tech Spec)
EMNTK
Cheers,
Ron
VH-XRM, flying in Oz
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Danny Riggs
Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2010 7:41 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
Once the apps get written for this product I can see some real use in the
cockpit. So far I've been underwhelmed by what's out there. This may be
different. Gonna hold out until April until the better unit is released. Go
to www.apple.com and watch the movie about it. pretty cool. Dan
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:05:46 -0500
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
> From: deej@deej.net
>
>
> On 01/27/2010 02:54 PM, jkreidler wrote:
<jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>
> >
> > Looks like Apple just released the iPad... Starts at $499, 1.5 lbs, 1/2"
thick.
>
>
>
<http://i.engadget.com/2010/01/27/live-from-the-apple-tablet-latest-creation
-event/?sort=newest&refresh=30>
>
> has some pics and details of the presentation.
>
> -Dj
>
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> Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
> Grumman
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| Subject: | Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad |
Me, too. This is a huge winner to me. I always thought if only the
iphone and itouch screens coud be bigger, then you could actually so
much more with it, like actually use your whole hand for touch
interaction, see an entire news web page, chart, etc. etc. They rewrote
those basic apps to take advantage of the entire screen real estate,
instead of hacking it. Yeah, just like with the iphone, it'll be a
matter of time before apps will be available for any purpose.
jae
40533
Danny Riggs wrote:
> Once the apps get written for this product I can see some real use in
> the cockpit. So far I've been underwhelmed by what's out there. This
> may be different. Gonna hold out until April until the better unit is
> released. Go to www.apple.com and watch the movie about it. pretty
> cool. Dan
> *
> *
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| Subject: | ceramic coating on exhaust |
Wrapping exhaust stacks does not change the degree of condensation on the i
nside of the tubes. It does retain heat, drive EGT numbers up slightly and
increase temps at the Exhaust valve and seat which reduces life. The ther
mal blanket can in cases such as the Pacific NWet hold moisture longer.
As long as they can be removed effectively to inspect welds and attachments
points for determination of cracks... they are not a concern.
Someone such as your 435 hours should wrap a pair and report the EGT increa
ses from an established baseline. Then we would all know for sure. Cerami
c coatings on the outside prolong life and provide many benefits. Ceramic
coatings are maligned but it is often a result of individuals who found the
advantage on the outside and then did the inside. When it flakes of with
a Turbo, your like takes a quick turn.
John Cox
From: Marcus Cooper
Sent: Wed 1/27/2010 10:19 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: ceramic coating on exhaust
Here's a question regarding wrapping the pipes. I did this on my first
airplane (Q-2) mostly because it seemed like a good idea. I had a number o
f
folks later on recommend against it as the wrapping has a tendency to hold
moisture and increase corrosion. Perhaps with stainless pipes (I presume
they all are now) that would alleviate the concern but I'd like to hear any
opinions as I'd consider wrapping the pipes now if there's no downside.
In case it matters, I have 435 hours on the airplane (it's great BTW!) so
any issues with wrapping at this point in its life?
Thanks,
Marcus
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Bewley
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:36 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: ceramic coating on exhaust
We have been coating the exterior of intake pipes and exhaust for this
year's RB engines we are building. One of the biggest problems with cerami
c
coating is the quality of the application. We would never do the inside of
intake pipes because if it did chip off, it would go directly to the valves
.
Not a good situation.
The guy I'm using to do my coating said that you have to grind off the
coating to reweld. We asked, because we do have to reweld intake pipes on
the cold air occasionally. You can always wrap your exhaust to try and get
the same effect on the scavenging.
Rhonda
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:17 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: ceramic coating on exhaust
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Vetterman is now making an exhaust that will work with the Cold Air setup
and it's basically the same price as the Forsling. However where the
Forsling is "tuned" (equal length pipes) the Vetterman is not. Again, well
known theoretical and proven performance increase from equal length pies.
I went with the Vetterman because I was concerned about the heat output of
the Forsling for cabin heat but that sounds like it's not really an issue a
s
long as you don't ceramic coat or at least mask the muff area off.
I also went with the James cowl, but again, it was before Gary and others
with the experience in fiberglass had paved the way for modifying the
original.
I have also heard that once you ceramic coat you cannot weld a pipe.
Something about it getting into the pores of the SS and how it blocks heat
transfer during the welding process can cause a porous and weak weld. Of
course the real advantage to ceramic coating is that it should keep the hea
t
contained in the pipe which increases exhaust velocity and scavenging but I
don't think it really helps much with our old big block engines and in some
cases it seems it can hurt.
If I was to do it today I would:
- Barrett Cold Air
- Stock cowl
- Baffles
- Uncoated Forsling exhaust
My $0.002
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ceramic coating on exhaust
James cowl or Vans?
Is there a real difference in power or economy with the cold air
induction and/or Forsling exhaust? I understand the theoretical for
the cold air induction, and if the exhaust is better tuned, etc. Just
wondering if the final result is more speed, more climb and/or better
fuel economy, so I can sugar coat the $$ expenditure.
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:45 AM, gary <speckter@comcast.net> wrote:
> I have the same setup as Robin, Barrett cold air induction, Forsling
> exhaust, and oil cooler on firewall. I get plenty of cabin heat. I do
not
> have ceramic coating on my exhaust. Just another data point.
>
>
> Gary Specketer
>
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perfect for ForeFlight
On Jan 27, 2010, at 1:04 PM, John Trollinger wrote:
> perfect size for a electronic flight bag... approach plates will
> look great on it
>
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net> wrote:
>
> On 01/27/2010 02:54 PM, jkreidler wrote:
> >
> >
> > Looks like Apple just released the iPad... Starts at $499, 1.5
> lbs, 1/2" thick.
>
>
> <http://i.engadget.com/2010/01/27/live-from-the-apple-tablet-latest-creation-event/?sort=newest&refresh=30
> >
>
> has some pics and details of the presentation.
>
> -Dj
>
> --
> Dj Merrill - N1JOV
> Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/
> sportsman/
> Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/
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| Subject: | OT - I want one - Apple iPad |
Garmin just passed out barf bags to their aviation employees.......
I can't wait for a USB connected XM & GPS antenna combo...
Bye-bye 696's....
Approach plates, weather, music, movies, GPS, manuals, charts, etc....
We might be getting close to the holy grail....
From: John Trollinger [mailto:john@trollingers.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
perfect size for a electronic flight bag... approach plates will look
great on it
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net> wrote:
On 01/27/2010 02:54 PM, jkreidler wrote:
<jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>
>
> Looks like Apple just released the iPad... Starts at $499, 1.5 lbs,
1/2" thick.
<http://i.engadget.com/2010/01/27/live-from-the-apple-tablet-latest-crea
tion-event/?sort=newest&refresh=30>
has some pics and details of the presentation.
-Dj
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Digital compass = magnetometer probably enhanced with GPS info
AGPS=GPS that uses wifi or cellular to acquire a faster location lock
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron McGann
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:08 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
Looks beautiful. But is there a GPS in it or not? What's a 'Digital compa
ss' and 'Assisted GPS (Wi-Fi + 3G model)'?? (per their Tech Spec)
EMNTK
Cheers,
Ron
VH-XRM, flying in Oz
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Danny Riggs
Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2010 7:41 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
Once the apps get written for this product I can see some real use in the c
ockpit. So far I've been underwhelmed by what's out there. This may be diff
erent. Gonna hold out until April until the better unit is released. Go to
www.apple.com and watch the movie about it. pretty cool. Dan
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:05:46 -0500
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
> From: deej@deej.net
>
>
> On 01/27/2010 02:54 PM, jkreidler wrote:
t.com>
> >
> > Looks like Apple just released the iPad... Starts at $499, 1.5 lbs, 1/2
" thick.
>
>
> <http://i.engadget.com/2010/01/27/live-from-the-apple-tablet-latest-creat
ion-event/?sort=newest&refresh=30>
>
> has some pics and details of the presentation.
>
> -Dj
>
> --
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> Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
> Grumman
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The iPad does have BT so who needs a cable. Just because a BT device has b
atteries, it doesn't mean you can't hardwire it to power. ;-)
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:34 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
Garmin just passed out barf bags to their aviation employees.......
I can't wait for a USB connected XM & GPS antenna combo...
Bye-bye 696's....
Approach plates, weather, music, movies, GPS, manuals, charts, etc.... We
might be getting close to the holy grail....
From: John Trollinger [mailto:john@trollingers.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
perfect size for a electronic flight bag... approach plates will look great
on it
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net<mailto:deej@deej
.net>> wrote:
.net>>
On 01/27/2010 02:54 PM, jkreidler wrote:
com<mailto:jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>>
>
> Looks like Apple just released the iPad... Starts at $499, 1.5 lbs, 1/2"
thick.
<http://i.engadget.com/2010/01/27/live-from-the-apple-tablet-latest-creatio
n-event/?sort=newest&refresh=30>
has some pics and details of the presentation.
-Dj
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I'm not sure you need XM if you use ForeFlight
On Jan 27, 2010, at 1:33 PM, Perry, Phil wrote:
> Garmin just passed out barf bags to their aviation employees=85=85.
>
> I can=92t wait for a USB connected XM & GPS antenna combo=85
>
> Bye-bye 696=92s=85.
>
> Approach plates, weather, music, movies, GPS, manuals, charts,
> etc=85. We might be getting close to the holy grail=85.
>
>
> From: John Trollinger [mailto:john@trollingers.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:04 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
>
> perfect size for a electronic flight bag... approach plates will
> look great on it
>
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net> wrote:
>
> On 01/27/2010 02:54 PM, jkreidler wrote:
<jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com
> >
> >
> > Looks like Apple just released the iPad... Starts at $499, 1.5
> lbs, 1/2" thick.
>
>
>
<http://i.engadget.com/2010/01/27/live-from-the-apple-tablet-latest-creati
on-event/?sort=newest&refresh=30
> >
>
> has some pics and details of the presentation.
>
> -Dj
>
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I really like the way you think....................
From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) [mailto:rvbuilder@sausen.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:57 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
The iPad does have BT so who needs a cable. Just because a BT device
has batteries, it doesn't mean you can't hardwire it to power. ;-)
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:34 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
Garmin just passed out barf bags to their aviation employees.......
I can't wait for a USB connected XM & GPS antenna combo...
Bye-bye 696's....
Approach plates, weather, music, movies, GPS, manuals, charts, etc....
We might be getting close to the holy grail....
From: John Trollinger [mailto:john@trollingers.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
perfect size for a electronic flight bag... approach plates will look
great on it
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net> wrote:
On 01/27/2010 02:54 PM, jkreidler wrote:
<jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>
>
> Looks like Apple just released the iPad... Starts at $499, 1.5 lbs,
1/2" thick.
<http://i.engadget.com/2010/01/27/live-from-the-apple-tablet-latest-crea
tion-event/?sort=newest&refresh=30>
has some pics and details of the presentation.
-Dj
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Yep, or just go to Apple's site. The really nice deal is the 250MB of AT&T 3G
for 14.99 a month or unlimited for $29. This looks to be the making of a nice
little flight bag addition. Although the name absolutely sucks, anyone else
see the MadTV skit a couple years back for the iPad. LMAO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsjU0K8QPhs
Michael
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj Merrill
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
On 01/27/2010 02:54 PM, jkreidler wrote:
>
> Looks like Apple just released the iPad... Starts at $499, 1.5 lbs, 1/2" thick.
<http://i.engadget.com/2010/01/27/live-from-the-apple-tablet-latest-creation-event/?sort=newest&refresh=30>
has some pics and details of the presentation.
-Dj
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My son-in-law says the high end model coming out in April will have wifi=2C
blue tooth and gps. Dan
From: ronrvbuilder@bigpond.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
Looks beautiful. But is there a GPS in it
or not? What=92s a =91Digital compass=92 and =91Assisted GPS
(Wi-Fi + 3G model)=92?? (per their Tech Spec)
EMNTK
Cheers=2C
Ron
VH-XRM=2C flying in Oz
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On
Behalf Of Danny Riggs
Sent: Thursday=2C 28 January 2010
7:41 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT - I
want one - Apple iPad
Once the apps get written for this
product I can see some real use in the cockpit. So far I've been underwhelm
ed
by what's out there. This may be different. Gonna hold out until April unti
l
the better unit is released. Go to www.apple.com and watch the movie about
it.
pretty cool. Dan
> Date: Wed=2C 27 Jan 2010 15:05:46 -0500
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
> From: deej@deej.net
>
>
> On 01/27/2010 02:54 PM=2C jkreidler wrote:
<jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>
> >
> > Looks like Apple just released the iPad... Starts at $499=2C 1.5 lbs=2C
1/2" thick.
>
>
> <http://i.engadget.com/2010/01/27/live-from-the-apple-tablet-latest-creat
ion-event/?sort=newest&refresh=30>
>
> has some pics and details of the presentation.
>
> -Dj
>
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> Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
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On 1/27/2010 5:34 PM, Danny Riggs wrote:
> My son-in-law says the high end model coming out in April will have
> wifi, blue tooth and gps. Dan
The low end ones all have that, similar to the iTouch. The high end
ones will also have 3G (data over the cell phone networks), similar to
the iPhone.
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| Subject: | OT - I want one - Apple iPad |
I would not write off Garmin just yet. Is someone going to write terrain
awareness, HSI, safe taxi, flight plan etc... software for the iPad that
will be able to drive an autopilot and integrate with other avionics?
The 696 is a stout unit that is hardware specific design for the
cockpit. Will it cut into some Garmin sales; sure. Will it kill 696 and
Aera sales? No. Plus sales to our certified brothers & sisters. Even
though the iPad is =BD to 1/3 the price of a 696 I have no problem with
the 696 pricing and can see having both in the cockpit. I remember
spending $3,000 on a steam gauge EGT/CHT display before purchasing
probes and having a certified aircraft mechanic install the unit at
about $1,000. Now you can buy a 696 AND an iPad for less than that.
Aren't we lucky to live during the digital revolution and before the end
of the world as we know it...
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:34 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
Garmin just passed out barf bags to their aviation employees.......
I can't wait for a USB connected XM & GPS antenna combo...
Bye-bye 696's....
Approach plates, weather, music, movies, GPS, manuals, charts, etc....
We might be getting close to the holy grail....
From: John Trollinger [mailto:john@trollingers.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
perfect size for a electronic flight bag... approach plates will look
great on it
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net> wrote:
On 01/27/2010 02:54 PM, jkreidler wrote:
<jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>
>
> Looks like Apple just released the iPad... Starts at $499, 1.5 lbs,
1/2" thick.
<http://i.engadget.com/2010/01/27/live-from-the-apple-tablet-latest-creat
ion-event/?sort=newest&refresh=30>
has some pics and details of the presentation.
-Dj
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| Subject: | Re: Advanced Flight Systems AOA Pro Version |
HeeHee!! Good one Gary!
David Maib
do not archive
On Jan 27, 2010, at 9:43 AM, gary wrote:
When it yells =93angle, angle, push, push=94, my wife says that it is
obscene.
Gary Specketer
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Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Advanced Flight Systems AOA Pro Version
Mine has been working perfectly for more than a year. Nice and bright
in daylight, and the dim button works as advertised at night. My only
complaint is that I have not figured out how to lower the volume on
the voice alerts from the AOA. It's way too loud for me.
David Maib
40559
flying
On Jan 26, 2010, at 6:13 PM, John Dunne wrote:
Anybody else with a Pro version AOA have problems with the dimmer
function?
All else works O.K but can only see a faint display.
Appreciate any suggestions or clues on this particular problem.
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| Subject: | Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad |
And hopefully approach plates will be downloadable for free like is
available for the Kindle today!!
grumpy
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On Jan 27, 2010, at 5:44 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
> I would not write off Garmin just yet. Is someone going to write
> terrain awareness, HSI, safe taxi, flight plan etc=85 software for the
> iPad that will be able to drive an autopilot and integrate with
> other avionics? The 696 is a stout unit that is hardware specific
> design for the cockpit. Will it cut into some Garmin sales; sure.
> Will it kill 696 and Aera sales? No. Plus sales to our certified
> brothers & sisters. Even though the iPad is =BD to 1/3 the price of a
> 696 I have no problem with the 696 pricing and can see having both
> in the cockpit. I remember spending $3,000 on a steam gauge EGT/CHT
> display before purchasing probes and having a certified aircraft
> mechanic install the unit at about $1,000. Now you can buy a 696 AND
> an iPad for less than that.
> Aren=92t we lucky to live during the digital revolution and before the
> end of the world as we know it=85
>
> Robin
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-serve
r@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:34 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
>
> Garmin just passed out barf bags to their aviation employees=85=85.
>
> I can=92t wait for a USB connected XM & GPS antenna combo=85
>
> Bye-bye 696=92s=85.
>
> Approach plates, weather, music, movies, GPS, manuals, charts,
> etc=85. We might be getting close to the holy grail=85.
>
>
> From: John Trollinger [mailto:john@trollingers.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:04 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
>
> perfect size for a electronic flight bag... approach plates will
> look great on it
>
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net> wrote:
>
> On 01/27/2010 02:54 PM, jkreidler wrote:
it.com
> >
> >
> > Looks like Apple just released the iPad... Starts at $499, 1.5
> lbs, 1/2" thick.
>
> <http://i.engadget.com/2010/01/27/live-from-the-apple-tablet-latest-crea
tion-event/?sort=newest&refresh=30
> >
>
> has some pics and details of the presentation.
>
> -Dj
>
> --
> Dj Merrill - N1JOV
> Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/
> sportsman/
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| Subject: | Re: Log book recommendations |
Dave,
Thanks for sharing your spreadsheet. I can go with a nice, simple solution. I was
surprised more people didn't weigh in on this topic. Apparently we are not
as invested in our log books as we are in primer or door latches. [Laughing]
Jim Berry
40482
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| Subject: | Re: Advanced Flight Systems AOA Pro Version |
You have to open up the brain box to turn the volume down.. There's a pot inside
that allows you to adjust the volume.. (see page 27 of the manual)
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N777TY
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| Subject: | Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad |
Except it doesn't appear to have a USB port. :-( (You can get an adapter
which gives you one 'tho -- who wants another dongle?)
Chris
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Perry, Phil <Phil.Perry@netapp.com> wrote:
> Garmin just passed out barf bags to their aviation employees=85=85.
>
>
> I can=92t wait for a USB connected XM & GPS antenna combo=85
>
>
> Bye-bye 696=92s=85.
>
>
> Approach plates, weather, music, movies, GPS, manuals, charts, etc=85. W
e
> might be getting close to the holy grail=85.
>
>
> *From:* John Trollinger [mailto:john@trollingers.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:04 PM
>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
>
>
> perfect size for a electronic flight bag... approach plates will look gre
at
> on it
>
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 01/27/2010 02:54 PM, jkreidler wrote:
> jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>
> >
> > Looks like Apple just released the iPad... Starts at $499, 1.5 lbs, 1/
2"
> thick.
>
> <
> http://i.engadget.com/2010/01/27/live-from-the-apple-tablet-latest-creati
on-event/?sort=newest&refresh=30
> >
>
> has some pics and details of the presentation.
>
> -Dj
>
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> Dj Merrill - N1JOV
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| Subject: | Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad |
One question I have -- it has an operating limit of 10,000' altitude. What
happens if you go higher than that? (I understand for hard drives, but does
this device have any moving parts?)
Chris
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:54 AM, jkreidler
<jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>wrote:
> jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>
>
> Looks like Apple just released the iPad... Starts at $499, 1.5 lbs, 1/2"
> thick.
>
> --------
> Jason Kreidler
> 4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
> Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
> N44YH - Flying - #40617
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283666#283666
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| Subject: | Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad |
Wouldn't it be cool to have current approach plates come down the XM signal
,
or maybe via ADS-B? I have no idea if that's even realistic but it would
save a lot of trouble. The 696 takes about an hour to update.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Miller John <gengrumpy@aol.com> wrote:
> And hopefully approach plates will be downloadable for free like is
> available for the Kindle today!!
>
> grumpy
> do not archive
>
> On Jan 27, 2010, at 5:44 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
>
> I would not write off Garmin just yet. Is someone going to write terrain
> awareness, HSI, safe taxi, flight plan etc=85 software for the iPad that
will
> be able to drive an autopilot and integrate with other avionics? The 696
is
> a stout unit that is hardware specific design for the cockpit. Will it cu
t
> into some Garmin sales; sure. Will it kill 696 and Aera sales? No. Plus
> sales to our certified brothers & sisters. Even though the iPad is =BD to
1/3
> the price of a 696 I have no problem with the 696 pricing and can see hav
ing
> both in the cockpit. I remember spending $3,000 on a steam gauge EGT/CHT
> display before purchasing probes and having a certified aircraft mechanic
> install the unit at about $1,000. Now you can buy a 696 AND an iPad for l
ess
> than that.
> Aren=92t we lucky to live during the digital revolution and before the en
d of
> the world as we know it=85
>
> Robin
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [
> mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com<owner-rv10-list-server@matron
ics.com>
> ] *On Behalf Of *Perry, Phil
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:34 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
>
> Garmin just passed out barf bags to their aviation employees=85=85.
>
> I can=92t wait for a USB connected XM & GPS antenna combo=85
>
> Bye-bye 696=92s=85.
>
> Approach plates, weather, music, movies, GPS, manuals, charts, etc=85. W
e
> might be getting close to the holy grail=85.
>
>
> *From:* John Trollinger [mailto:john@trollingers.com<john@trollingers.com
>
> ]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:04 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
>
>
> perfect size for a electronic flight bag... approach plates will look gre
at
> on it
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net> wrote:
>
>
> On 01/27/2010 02:54 PM, jkreidler wrote:
> jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>
> >
> > Looks like Apple just released the iPad... Starts at $499, 1.5 lbs, 1/
2"
> thick.
> <
> http://i.engadget.com/2010/01/27/live-from-the-apple-tablet-latest-creati
on-event/?sort=newest&refresh=30
> >
>
> has some pics and details of the presentation.
>
> -Dj
>
> --
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| Subject: | Re: Log book recommendations |
Well, I can understand that most people only see the logs very
occasionally. I see somebody's logbook almost every day. I definitely knew
what I wanted.
It's really nice being able to tally up the oil used when I send in the
sample. I guess they need to know how diluted it is.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Jim Berry <jimberry@qwest.net> wrote:
>
> Dave,
>
> Thanks for sharing your spreadsheet. I can go with a nice, simple solution.
> I was surprised more people didn't weigh in on this topic. Apparently we are
> not as invested in our log books as we are in primer or door latches.
> [Laughing]
>
> Jim Berry
> 40482
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| Subject: | OT - I want one - Apple iPad |
Here's another idea for you, Dave......
Imagine pre-loading all of the approach plates onto your iPad...
Then it can use the GPS to geo-reference your approach plates to the
closest airport. So you could push the NRST button and it will sort and
present the nearest IAP's....
I think geo-referencing the IAP's and charts would completely change how
we organize our cockpit.
Imagine having an emergency in IFR and having the closest IAP at your
fingertips in a matter of seconds.
Phil
From: Dave Saylor [mailto:dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
Wouldn't it be cool to have current approach plates come down the XM
signal, or maybe via ADS-B? I have no idea if that's even realistic but
it would save a lot of trouble. The 696 takes about an hour to update.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Miller John <gengrumpy@aol.com> wrote:
And hopefully approach plates will be downloadable for free like is
available for the Kindle today!!
grumpy
do not archive
On Jan 27, 2010, at 5:44 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
I would not write off Garmin just yet. Is someone going to write terrain
awareness, HSI, safe taxi, flight plan etc... software for the iPad that
will be able to drive an autopilot and integrate with other avionics?
The 696 is a stout unit that is hardware specific design for the
cockpit. Will it cut into some Garmin sales; sure. Will it kill 696 and
Aera sales? No. Plus sales to our certified brothers & sisters. Even
though the iPad is =BD to 1/3 the price of a 696 I have no problem with
the 696 pricing and can see having both in the cockpit. I remember
spending $3,000 on a steam gauge EGT/CHT display before purchasing
probes and having a certified aircraft mechanic install the unit at
about $1,000. Now you can buy a 696 AND an iPad for less than that.
Aren't we lucky to live during the digital revolution and before the end
of the world as we know it...
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:34 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
Garmin just passed out barf bags to their aviation employees.......
I can't wait for a USB connected XM & GPS antenna combo...
Bye-bye 696's....
Approach plates, weather, music, movies, GPS, manuals, charts, etc....
We might be getting close to the holy grail....
From: John Trollinger [mailto:john@trollingers.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
perfect size for a electronic flight bag... approach plates will look
great on it
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net> wrote:
On 01/27/2010 02:54 PM, jkreidler wrote:
<jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>
>
> Looks like Apple just released the iPad... Starts at $499, 1.5 lbs,
1/2" thick.
<http://i.engadget.com/2010/01/27/live-from-the-apple-tablet-latest-creat
ion-event/?sort=newest&refresh=30>
has some pics and details of the presentation.
-Dj
--
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| Subject: | OT - I want one - Apple iPad |
Free and easy enough to setup to automatically download.....
http://www.pdfplates.com/
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
Wouldn't it be cool to have current approach plates come down the XM signal
, or maybe via ADS-B? I have no idea if that's even realistic but it would
save a lot of trouble. The 696 takes about an hour to update.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Miller John <gengrumpy@aol.com<mailto:geng
rumpy@aol.com>> wrote:
And hopefully approach plates will be downloadable for free like is availab
le for the Kindle today!!
grumpy
do not archive
On Jan 27, 2010, at 5:44 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
I would not write off Garmin just yet. Is someone going to write terrain aw
areness, HSI, safe taxi, flight plan etc... software for the iPad that will
be able to drive an autopilot and integrate with other avionics? The 696 i
s a stout unit that is hardware specific design for the cockpit. Will it cu
t into some Garmin sales; sure. Will it kill 696 and Aera sales? No. Plus s
ales to our certified brothers & sisters. Even though the iPad is =BD to 1/
3 the price of a 696 I have no problem with the 696 pricing and can see hav
ing both in the cockpit. I remember spending $3,000 on a steam gauge EGT/CH
T display before purchasing probes and having a certified aircraft mechanic
install the unit at about $1,000. Now you can buy a 696 AND an iPad for le
ss than that.
Aren't we lucky to live during the digital revolution and before the end of
the world as we know it...
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ma
tronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Per
ry, Phil
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:34 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
Garmin just passed out barf bags to their aviation employees.......
I can't wait for a USB connected XM & GPS antenna combo...
Bye-bye 696's....
Approach plates, weather, music, movies, GPS, manuals, charts, etc.... We
might be getting close to the holy grail....
From: John Trollinger [mailto:john@trollingers.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
perfect size for a electronic flight bag... approach plates will look great
on it
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net<mailto:deej@deej
.net>> wrote:
.net>>
On 01/27/2010 02:54 PM, jkreidler wrote:
com<mailto:jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>>
>
> Looks like Apple just released the iPad... Starts at $499, 1.5 lbs, 1/2"
thick.
<http://i.engadget.com/2010/01/27/live-from-the-apple-tablet-latest-creatio
n-event/?sort=newest&refresh=30>
has some pics and details of the presentation.
-Dj
--
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Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/
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| Subject: | In-flight Entertainment & LCD Screens... |
Dear listers,
I've received quite a few emails asking about my entertainment installation in
the RV-8 project and specifically the components I used and how I installed them.
The links and text below documents the selection and process pretty well
and so I thought I'd pass it along to the Lists.
The front headrest with the monitor in it is the standard headrest I got from Classic
Aero for use with the Aviator seats. I made some serious modifications
to it however, and then sent it back to them for leather upholstering. It came
out really nice and isn't too heavy. I documented the whole process in my
blog in extreme detail here:
Initial installation using the white plastic shells (10 logs):
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=73410&row=91
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=73411&row=90
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=73412&row=89
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=73413&row=88
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=73414&row=87
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=73415&row=86
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=73415&row=86
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=73416&row=85
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=73417&row=84
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=73418&row=83
Installation redo with new and significantly improved black shells (5 logs):
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=77846&row=48
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=77847&row=47
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=77848&row=46
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=77849&row=45
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=77850&row=44
Final installation with Leather upholstery completed (4 logs):
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=4395&log=86106&row=5
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=4395&log=86107&row=4
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2973&log'427&row=2
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2973&log'427&row=2
On the main instrument panel, I'm using a Kenwood DNX8120 entertainment system
with a 7" LCD touch screen. The DNX8120 has been replaced by the DNX9140 which
is very similar:
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=67178&row=159
http://www.kenwoodusa.com/Car_Entertainment/eXcelon/Mobile_Video_n_Navigation/DNX9140
The rear screen is slaved to the DNX8120 though an AV controller that comes with
the screen. The rear LCD screen is also 7", but not a touch screen. Its a
Kenwood model number LZ-702IR:
http://www.kenwoodusa.com/Car_Entertainment/Mobile_Video_n_Navigation/Mobile_Video/LZ-702IR
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_7134_Kenwood+LZ-702IR.html
The rear view cam is also a Kenwood unit and integrates with the DNX very nicely:
http://www.kenwoodusa.com/Car_Entertainment/eXcelon/Mobile_Video_n_Navigation/CCD-2000
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com
Finishing up...
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| Subject: | Re: ceramic coating on exhaust |
Robin, I cannot believe that by coating the inside it does not transfer hea
t in the heat muff but that might be the case. =0AIt would be interesting
to measure the air temperature coming out of the front heater when flying w
ith another RV-10 at the same time. =0AThat might tell us something. =0A
=0A Scott Schmidt=0Ascottmschmidt@yahoo.com=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________
__________________=0AFrom: Robin Marks <robin1@mrmoisture.com>=0ATo: rv10-l
ist@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, January 26, 2010 11:45:09 PM=0ASubject: RE:
RV10-List: ceramic coating on exhaust=0A=0A =0AScott,=0Acan you venture to
guess what=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s wrong with my setup?=0ABTW=0Asorry I di
dn=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t call while at Sundance. It got a little crazy.
=0A =0ARobin=0A =0AFrom:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owne
r-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt=0ASent: Tuesda
y, January 26, 2010 10:11 PM=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: R
V10-List: ceramic coating on exhaust=0A =0AI ceramic coated the outside onl
y on my exhaust and my=0Aheaters also crank out the heat when barely opened
. =0AI have 650 hours on mine and it is holding up great. It does lose th
at=0Aoriginal shine but has not cracked or pealed. =0A=0APeople have menti
oned that if you do have problems you cannot weld it but I=0Awill cross tha
t road if it happens. So far I have been very=0Ahappy. =0A =0AScott Schm
idt=0Ascottmschmidt@yahoo.com=0A =0A =0A=0A________________________________
=0A =0AFrom:Robin Marks <robin1@mrmoisture.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.c
om=0ASent: Tue, January 26, 2010 10:39:09 PM=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: cera
mic coating on exhaust=0AChris,=0A =0ALet me explain what I know
and extract backwards.=0AI=0Ahave:=0A=C3=82=C2=B7 Forsling=0Adouble
ceramic coated exhaust system.=0A=C3=82=C2=B7 Well=0Adocumented he
at issues (hot engine)=0A=C3=82=C2=B7 S/S fire=0Awall mounted heate
r valves=0A=C3=82=C2=B7 Dual Heat=0AMuffs (one cut down by 25% to p
roperly fit the exhaust tube)=0A=C3=82=C2=B7 Generally=0Adirect hea
ting duct paths=0A =0AUnlike=0Amost of the -10 fleet I am unable to get eno
ugh heat into my cabin. Tim and others=0Ahave noted that at HALF heat setti
ng you can bake Brownies. Ok, ok maybe not=0Athat hot but comfortable enoug
h to fly in Wisconsin for gosh sakes. In my ship=0Awith FULL heat and OAT
=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s at about 30F I am uncomfortable with a T-Shirt,
=0Along-sleeved shirt and a vest or beanie. For any length of flight I have
to=0Abring gloves and a few times was shivering a bit. I do have a little
leak=0Ain my cabin where the overhead console wraps around the door suppor
t bracket=0Abut that is not the problem. I have a pretty tight seal overall
. Not nearly=0Aenough heat is coming out of the heating system. I have chec
ked connections and=0Athe function of the heater valves; all good. The only
thing I can put my finger=0Aon is that the double ceramic coating is doing
what it=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s advertised to do; send=0Athe heat out the
bottom of the tube. I have seen a demonstration of a hot=0AHarley shut dow
n and 15 seconds later you can grab the exhaust. Don=C3=A2=82=AC=84
=A2t try that=0Awith your car exhaust.=0AI=0Ahave also heard that some owne
rs have been experiencing the coatings chipping=0Aor coming off the surface
of the pipes. Mine look good externally so far (120=0Ahours) but who knows
what they look like inside and who knows what it will look=0Alike or perfo
rm like at 820 hours. =0AI=0Areally didn=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t give the
coating a second thought when ordering the pipes.=0AUpgrade, more power,
=C3=A2=82=AC=C5=93SURE, I=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2ll Take Two!=C3=A2
=82=AC=EF=BD The coatings may not be the problem=0Abut I am hard pressed
to see what else it could be. Throw in the potential to=0Adegrade and I wo
uld be just as happy to save the $ and use what has been on=0Aevery other p
lane I have ever own or flown. Standard exhaust tubing. =0A =0AA=0Anote of
personal privilege. I know people can read into the written word many=0Adif
ferent things. I hate for some to take away that I am always complaining=0A
about everything. Blah, blah James Cowl (and all it=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2
s ramifications), blah,=0Ablah Garmin, blah, blah LOP and my famous %#@*&$!
Painter=C3=A2=82=AC=C2 The whole=0Aprocess was a learning experience
for me. Most issues are cleaned with just=0Aheat issues remaining. LOP fli
ght has given me a path to rest my engine while I=0Afigure things out. I l
ove the plane, love it=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s systems, I use it a lot=0Af
or work & pleasure and surprisingly have stopped dreaming of what I want=0A
next=C3=A2=82=AC=C2 (ok, except for the 8A due to fly in 2010. Teehee
). =0A =0ARobin=0A =0A =0AFrom:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mail
to:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris=0AJohnston=0ASe
nt: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 6:49 PM=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASubje
ct: Re: RV10-List: ceramic coating on exhaust=0A =0ANot to hijack, but why
would you not ceramic coat the=0Aexhaust again? That became a standard iss
ue item for me when I built=0Acars, and I expected to do the same for the a
irplane. What gives?=0A =0Acj=0A =0A =0AOn Jan 26, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Robin
Marks wrote:=0A =0ANo=0Amuffler. The exhaust is a Forsling exhaust with me
gaphone type collector area.=0ALooks great, sounds great. Mine happen to be
ceramic coated inside and out=0Awhich I would not do again.=0ABetter=0Avie
w of exhaust. Photo attached.=0AThe=0Aheat muff is a standard heat muff cut
down (slightly) to fit a flat area of the=0Aexhaust on co-pilot side. Pilo
ts side untouched as you can see from the photo.=0AIf=0Ayou want a muffler
I think others are using the Vetterman system. I have seen a=0Afew and they
are beautiful units too. Others can surely comment better than me=0Aon tho
se systems.=0A =0AOf=0Anote=C3=A2=82=AC=C2 as nice as these photos ar
e, I am REALLY happy to be past this stage and=0Aburning 100LL and not fing
ertips.=0A =0ARobin=0A =0A =0AFrom: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [m
ailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper=0ASe
nt: Tuesday, January 26,=0A2010 4:48 PM=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASub
ject: RE: RV10-List:=0AFuel Check Valve & Gascolator=0A =0ARobin,=0A Real
nice installation FWF! What muffler and=0Aheat muff are you using?=0A =0A
Marcus=0A40286=0A =0ADo not archive=0A=C3=82 =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.co
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| Subject: | Possible Door Handle Solution |
Did any of you notice this door handle.
I am pretty impressed with this one. It does not address the case of accidentally
opening the door in flight but I'm not sure if a door has been lost because
of that.
Looks like you can purchase the set for $300.
Very simple and easily retrofit-able to the flying RV's with the standard door
handle.
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=53564
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: Possible Door Handle Solution |
I saw this, and like it, I've got Coss handles and latches (similar to
Hendrcks). And I think I could easily adapt this to my "Finished"
airplane. So far this is the only 'solution' I've seen that I will
consider. IT seems that the one item that is uncertain is whether the
extra latch/catch is far enough aft to seal the deal.
Deems Davis
N519PJ
www.deemsrv10.com
On 1/27/2010 10:07 PM, Scott Schmidt wrote:
> Did any of you notice this door handle.
> I am pretty impressed with this one. It does not address the case of
> accidentally opening the door in flight but I'm not sure if a door has
> been lost because of that.
>
> Looks like you can purchase the set for $300.
> Very simple and easily retrofit-able to the flying RV's with the
> standard door handle.
>
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=53564
> Scott Schmidt
> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
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