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1. 06:42 AM - Re: Crow Harnesses (David Maib)
2. 07:04 AM - Re: Crow Harnesses (Larry Rosen)
3. 07:35 AM - Center Tunnel (Albert Gardner)
4. 07:49 AM - Re: Center Tunnel (Linn Walters)
5. 07:53 AM - Re: Center Tunnel (Perry, Phil)
6. 08:24 AM - Re: Center Tunnel (Kelly McMullen)
7. 08:38 AM - Re: Center Tunnel (Albert Gardner)
8. 08:38 AM - Re: Center Tunnel (Jesse Saint)
9. 10:33 AM - Halotron fire extinguisher (Lew Gallagher)
10. 10:34 AM - Re: Five point harness? (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
11. 10:44 AM - Re: Center Tunnel (John Cox)
12. 11:07 AM - Re: Crow Harnesses (n277dl)
13. 11:25 AM - Re: Halotron fire extinguisher (Tim Olson)
14. 12:09 PM - Re: Center Tunnel (Kelly McMullen)
15. 12:27 PM - Re: Halotron fire extinguisher (Lew Gallagher)
16. 12:39 PM - Re: weight/balance (John Cumins)
17. 12:49 PM - Re: Halotron fire extinguisher (Tim Olson)
18. 03:51 PM - Re: Center Tunnel (Deems Davis)
19. 04:56 PM - OSH Camping RV10 HQ (Deems Davis)
20. 06:47 PM - Re: Center Tunnel (bob-tcw)
21. 10:00 PM - Re: Center Tunnel (Strasnuts)
22. 10:00 PM - Re: Center Tunnel (Strasnuts)
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| Subject: | Re: Crow Harnesses |
Rob,
I talked to the folks at Crow and they told me how to measure for the
correct lengths. It has been a couple of years ago and I don't
remember what the measurements were. I would call Crow and ask. I am
very happy with my Crow belts and harnesses.
David Maib
40559
On Jun 14, 2010, at 12:38 AM, Rob Kochman wrote:
Dave, did you ever get this figured out? Any other -10 builders use
the Crow harnesses?
-Rob
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:54 PM, dmaib@mac.com <dmaib@mac.com> wrote:
I am planning on ordering Crow harnesses and would like to know if
anybody knows the correct measurements for front and rear seats?
Shoulder harnesses and lap belts. [Question]
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David Maib
RV-10 #40559
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| Subject: | Re: Crow Harnesses |
Vic Syracuse use Crow harnesses in his RV-10.
Larry Rosen
Rob Kochman wrote:
> Dave, did you ever get this figured out? Any other -10 builders use
> the Crow harnesses?
>
> -Rob
>
> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:54 PM, dmaib@mac.com <mailto:dmaib@mac.com>
> <dmaib@mac.com <mailto:dmaib@mac.com>> wrote:
>
> <mailto:dmaib@mac.com>" <dmaib@mac.com <mailto:dmaib@mac.com>>
>
> I am planning on ordering Crow harnesses and would like to know if
> anybody knows the correct measurements for front and rear seats?
> Shoulder harnesses and lap belts. [Question]
>
> --------
> David Maib
> RV-10 #40559
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After reading about the explosion/fire in the RV-10 possibly due to a fuel
leak in the tunnel I took a look at mine just to check since it has been
awhile since the annual inspection. No leaks but I still don't like the
spillage associated with opening the filter for inspection/cleaning. One
thing I changed was the routing of the brake lines. Page 36-3 routes the
lines almost against the floor making cleanup difficult. I changed the
orientation of the cushion clamps so that the brake line is held up off the
floor and cleanup is much easier.
Now I'm looking at the idea of accessing the filter through the bottom of
the tunnel so that no fuel is spilled inside cleaning the filter. Also,
getting in the tunnel from the top is difficult as the rudder cables must be
disconnected, seats removed, and carpet removed to get access to the tunnel
cover.
I'm thinking of installing a cup holder in the tunnel cover so that I could
easily inspect the interior by pulling out the cup holder and shinning a
flashlight in there without removing anything else.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yume, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Center Tunnel |
You could remove the tunnel filter and put it under the front seat, and
buy a second one for the other side. Far more room to swing a wrench
and get your hands on the filter. Before I put the wings on, I'll seal
the fuel lines at the root and draw a vacuum on the system to the
firewall ..... Don't want any slow leaks.
Linn
do not archive.
Albert Gardner wrote:
>
> After reading about the explosion/fire in the RV-10 possibly due to a
> fuel leak in the tunnel I took a look at mine just to check since it
> has been awhile since the annual inspection. No leaks but I still
> don't like the spillage associated with opening the filter for
> inspection/cleaning. One thing I changed was the routing of the brake
> lines. Page 36-3 routes the lines almost against the floor making
> cleanup difficult. I changed the orientation of the cushion clamps so
> that the brake line is held up off the floor and cleanup is much easier.
>
>
>
> Now I'm looking at the idea of accessing the filter through the bottom
> of the tunnel so that no fuel is spilled inside cleaning the filter.
> Also, getting in the tunnel from the top is difficult as the rudder
> cables must be disconnected, seats removed, and carpet removed to get
> access to the tunnel cover.
>
>
>
> I'm thinking of installing a cup holder in the tunnel cover so that I
> could easily inspect the interior by pulling out the cup holder and
> shinning a flashlight in there without removing anything else.
>
>
>
> Albert Gardner
>
> N991RV
>
> Yume, AZ
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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I changed the orientation of the cushion clamps so that the brake line
is held up off the floor and cleanup is much easier.
I did the same thing on mine, but I'm not 100% committed to it yet. I
might turn them back correctly.
My bigger concern were the brake lines rubbing on the shop-head-side of
the rivets that are directly below the lines. With the cushion clamps
held in their "correct" position, the brake lines aren't more than 1/32
- 1/16" off those shop heads and I didn't want the rivets working my
brake lines. (BTW - I'm using Bonaco lines all the way through the
tunnel.)
I'd like the clamps to be oriented correctly, but I don't like the
possibility of the rivets working on those lines. I've been trying to
come up with a rub-barrier that I can insert between the rivets and the
lines, but I haven't come up with anything yet. So I might end up
flipping the clamps over too, but with flex lines, I'd really need to be
careful that they don't eventually rotate down a few degrees pushing the
flex lines back down on the rivets (again). J
There has to be a barrier we could put in there to keep the lines off
the rivet tails.
Phil
From: Albert Gardner [mailto:ibspud@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:32 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Center Tunnel
After reading about the explosion/fire in the RV-10 possibly due to a
fuel leak in the tunnel I took a look at mine just to check since it has
been awhile since the annual inspection. No leaks but I still don't like
the spillage associated with opening the filter for inspection/cleaning.
One thing I changed was the routing of the brake lines. Page 36-3 routes
the lines almost against the floor making cleanup difficult. I changed
the orientation of the cushion clamps so that the brake line is held up
off the floor and cleanup is much easier.
Now I'm looking at the idea of accessing the filter through the bottom
of the tunnel so that no fuel is spilled inside cleaning the filter.
Also, getting in the tunnel from the top is difficult as the rudder
cables must be disconnected, seats removed, and carpet removed to get
access to the tunnel cover.
I'm thinking of installing a cup holder in the tunnel cover so that I
could easily inspect the interior by pulling out the cup holder and
shinning a flashlight in there without removing anything else.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yume, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Center Tunnel |
Side access panel makes it easier. Bob Leffler has a picture of it on
his site. I'm not finding the web link for ordering the kit right now.
Seems like Air Ward was the vendor, but paperwork is at the hangar.
On 6/14/2010 7:32 AM, Albert Gardner wrote:
>
> After reading about the explosion/fire in the RV-10 possibly due to a
> fuel leak in the tunnel I took a look at mine just to check since it
> has been awhile since the annual inspection. No leaks but I still
> don't like the spillage associated with opening the filter for
> inspection/cleaning. One thing I changed was the routing of the brake
> lines. Page 36-3 routes the lines almost against the floor making
> cleanup difficult. I changed the orientation of the cushion clamps so
> that the brake line is held up off the floor and cleanup is much easier.
>
> Now I'm looking at the idea of accessing the filter through the bottom
> of the tunnel so that no fuel is spilled inside cleaning the filter.
> Also, getting in the tunnel from the top is difficult as the rudder
> cables must be disconnected, seats removed, and carpet removed to get
> access to the tunnel cover.
>
> I'm thinking of installing a cup holder in the tunnel cover so that I
> could easily inspect the interior by pulling out the cup holder and
> shinning a flashlight in there without removing anything else.
>
> Albert Gardner
>
> N991RV
>
> Yume, AZ
>
> *
>
>
> *
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I had the same concern about the close proximity of the rivets and the brake
line so I slid rubber tubing over the lines in the area between the cushion
clamps. I
suppose that also made it a little harder to clean up under the brake lines
though.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 7:53 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Center Tunnel
I changed the orientation of the cushion clamps so that the brake line is
held up off the floor and cleanup is much easier.
I did the same thing on mine, but I'm not 100% committed to it yet. I might
turn them back correctly.
My bigger concern were the brake lines rubbing on the shop-head-side of the
rivets that are directly below the lines. With the cushion clamps held in
their "correct" position, the brake lines aren't more than 1/32 - 1/16" off
those shop heads and I didn't want the rivets working my brake lines. (BTW
- I'm using Bonaco lines all the way through the tunnel.)
I'd like the clamps to be oriented correctly, but I don't like the
possibility of the rivets working on those lines. I've been trying to come
up with a rub-barrier that I can insert between the rivets and the lines,
but I haven't come up with anything yet. So I might end up flipping the
clamps over too, but with flex lines, I'd really need to be careful that
they don't eventually rotate down a few degrees pushing the flex lines back
down on the rivets (again). J
There has to be a barrier we could put in there to keep the lines off the
rivet tails.
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Center Tunnel |
This is a great way to do it, but don't forget that you will need to
drain your fuel tanks before cleaning the filters.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:42 AM, Linn Walters wrote:
> You could remove the tunnel filter and put it under the front seat,
and buy a second one for the other side. Far more room to swing a
wrench and get your hands on the filter. Before I put the wings on,
I'll seal the fuel lines at the root and draw a vacuum on the system to
the firewall ..... Don't want any slow leaks.
> Linn
> do not archive.
>
> Albert Gardner wrote:
>>
>> After reading about the explosion/fire in the RV-10 possibly due to a
fuel leak in the tunnel I took a look at mine just to check since it has
been awhile since the annual inspection. No leaks but I still don't like
the spillage associated with opening the filter for inspection/cleaning.
One thing I changed was the routing of the brake lines. Page 36-3 routes
the lines almost against the floor making cleanup difficult. I changed
the orientation of the cushion clamps so that the brake line is held up
off the floor and cleanup is much easier.
>>
>> Now I'm looking at the idea of accessing the filter through the
bottom of the tunnel so that no fuel is spilled inside cleaning the
filter. Also, getting in the tunnel from the top is difficult as the
rudder cables must be disconnected, seats removed, and carpet removed to
get access to the tunnel cover.
>>
>> I'm thinking of installing a cup holder in the tunnel cover so that I
could easily inspect the interior by pulling out the cup holder and
shinning a flashlight in there without removing anything else.
>>
>> Albert Gardner
>> N991RV
>> Yume, AZ
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Halotron fire extinguisher |
Hey Guys,
With the discussion about the tunnel fire/explosion, I decided to follow up on
some of the discussions about tunnel/FF nozzles, extinguishers, etc. When I called
the guy that does my building's fire inspections, he said they haven't made
Halon extinguishers since the mid nineties, and that they only do Halotron
now. No flurocarbons, no residue, doesn't destroy electrical, etc. So I ordered
a 2.5 lb one from him (Buckeye, 70256, $88.00).
Am I late on this? Is this what everyone is installing now? I searched briefly
and didn't see any reference to it, so I thought I'd ask.
By the way, the one follow up report on the fire was very generic, and I'd love
to hear more from the pilot other than that one quick response where he said
he thought he may have hit the flap switch, and that they're basically OK. Fuel
lines, pump -- anything left to diagnose what happened?
Later, - Lew
--------
non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Fly off completed !
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| Subject: | Re: Five point harness? |
4 point planned here. Might feel different if I had precious little
frequent flyers.
Nice for acro but that has little to do with the '10.
Had one in a couple of sailplanes. Staying in the seat was a challenge
when ridge running but the 5th point only beat up my crotch. Found
cinching up the lap belts was best. But the reclining position you have
in a hi-perf sailplane has little to do with the '10.
Bill
Carl Froehlich wrote:
>
> All,
>
>
>
> Looking for the general consensus, 5 point harness for the rear seats
> or 4 point?
>
>
>
> Carl Froehlich
>
> RV-8A (540 hrs)
>
> RV-10 (systems install)
>
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A great rule of thumb is a minimum of 0.125" from any surface (we often try
for 0.375") which could otherwise chafe lines during the airframe's life.
During the Conditional, it's the guy inspecting that must (should) look fo
r new chafes, dents and damage before the hydro-carbons find a new path to
freedom. The Adels help the inspector get under there with an inspection mi
rror. Dan Checkoway had excellent examples of where even the best of his p
lans and well intentioned construction could overlook those contact points.
Adel clamps - MS21919DWG are a solid means to build in such protection.
They can be a bitch but those Aircraft Spruce Pliers seem nifty. There are
aluminum spacers (in various heights) that allow for stacking of Adels or f
or staggering. Always try to route wiring above and 6" away from hydro-car
bon lines. Paul Grimstad had some nifty foam adhesive pads that electricia
ns use that could help.
Although the AC 43.13 is boring, it can serve as a good clarifying referenc
e.
I won't speak for VANs but I doubt they would say "Forgetaboutit... just bu
ild it". Oh, that's right. KS has said that before.
John Cox
From: Perry, Phil
Sent: Mon 6/14/2010 7:53 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Center Tunnel
I changed the orientation of the cushion clamps so that the brake line is h
eld up off the floor and cleanup is much easier.
I did the same thing on mine, but I'm not 100% committed to it yet. I migh
t turn them back correctly.
My bigger concern were the brake lines rubbing on the shop-head-side of the
rivets that are directly below the lines. With the cushion clamps held in
their "correct" position, the brake lines aren't more than 1/32 - 1/16" of
f those shop heads and I didn't want the rivets working my brake lines. (B
TW - I'm using Bonaco lines all the way through the tunnel.)
I'd like the clamps to be oriented correctly, but I don't like the possibil
ity of the rivets working on those lines. I've been trying to come up with
a rub-barrier that I can insert between the rivets and the lines, but I ha
ven't come up with anything yet. So I might end up flipping the clamps ove
r too, but with flex lines, I'd really need to be careful that they don't e
ventually rotate down a few degrees pushing the flex lines back down on the
rivets (again). J
There has to be a barrier we could put in there to keep the lines off the r
ivet tails.
Phil
From: Albert Gardner [mailto:ibspud@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:32 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Center Tunnel
After reading about the explosion/fire in the RV-10 possibly due to a fuel
leak in the tunnel I took a look at mine just to check since it has been aw
hile since the annual inspection. No leaks but I still don't like the spill
age associated with opening the filter for inspection/cleaning. One thing I
changed was the routing of the brake lines. Page 36-3 routes the lines alm
ost against the floor making cleanup difficult. I changed the orientation o
f the cushion clamps so that the brake line is held up off the floor and cl
eanup is much easier.
Now I'm looking at the idea of accessing the filter through the bottom of t
he tunnel so that no fuel is spilled inside cleaning the filter. Also, gett
ing in the tunnel from the top is difficult as the rudder cables must be di
sconnected, seats removed, and carpet removed to get access to the tunnel c
over.
I'm thinking of installing a cup holder in the tunnel cover so that I could
easily inspect the interior by pulling out the cup holder and shinning a f
lashlight in there without removing anything else.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yume, AZ
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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| Subject: | Re: Crow Harnesses |
Rob,
I called and Mr Crow knew exactly what lengths / type I needed for the -10.
He had them sent out to me in a couple days. Look nice.
Doug
--------
Doug
"Fools" are always more creative than process people and will always
find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes.
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| Subject: | Re: Halotron fire extinguisher |
True to some extent....but you can still get them for
Aviation:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/h3rhalon.php
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 6/14/2010 12:33 PM, Lew Gallagher wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lew
> Gallagher"<lewgall@charter.net>
>
> Hey Guys,
>
> With the discussion about the tunnel fire/explosion, I decided to
> follow up on some of the discussions about tunnel/FF nozzles,
> extinguishers, etc. When I called the guy that does my building's
> fire inspections, he said they haven't made Halon extinguishers since
> the mid nineties, and that they only do Halotron now. No
> flurocarbons, no residue, doesn't destroy electrical, etc. So I
> ordered a 2.5 lb one from him (Buckeye, 70256, $88.00).
>
> Am I late on this? Is this what everyone is installing now? I
> searched briefly and didn't see any reference to it, so I thought I'd
> ask.
>
> By the way, the one follow up report on the fire was very generic,
> and I'd love to hear more from the pilot other than that one quick
> response where he said he thought he may have hit the flap switch,
> and that they're basically OK. Fuel lines, pump -- anything left to
> diagnose what happened?
>
> Later, - Lew
>
> -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
> Fly off completed !
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301200#301200
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Center Tunnel |
To follow up: http://www.airward.com or http://tinyurl.com/2eetgbe for
the exact page.
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>
> Side access panel makes it easier. Bob Leffler has a picture of it on his
> site. I'm not finding the web link for ordering the kit right now. Seems
> like Air Ward was the vendor, but paperwork is at the hangar.
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| Subject: | Re: Halotron fire extinguisher |
Hey Tim,
Good to "see" your voice -- missed you there for awhile. Why would you want
Halon if it does so much collateral damage and is essentially obsolete?
Later, - Lew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Halotron fire extinguisher
>
> True to some extent....but you can still get them for
> Aviation:
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/h3rhalon.php
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
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Your scenario sounds allot like the Saratoga that I fly a lot. When 1-2 on board
and full tanks the cg is very forward and you dont have much left in the elevator
with full flaps in the flare. I use only 25 degrees of flaps when lightly
loaded and normal size runway. Short runway always full flaps and take ballast.
If you take ballast and want to pick up 2 people I bet you would still be in cg
limits even with the 40 lbs in the back.
John G. Cumins
40864 down to emp trim system and firberglass work
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jfrjr@roadrunner.com
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 5:35 PM
Subject: RV10-List: weight/balance
Now that I have 70+ hours I am starting to fine tune things with regards to W/B.
When flying solo or with only two souls I find that I need at least 40lbs in
the baggage compartment or I don't have any elevator left when entering the
flair especially with full flaps. With 4 souls, full gas, and empty baggage there
is plenty of elevator left. So my question is what do people do when you
(and your copilot) head out from home to pick up two friends for a ride? Do I
then throw the two cases of oil away, have it fedexed home, or store it under
my feet? And then what do I do after dropping of the friends for the ride back
home? Put the copilot in the baggage compartment? Jay Rowe #40301
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| Subject: | Re: Halotron fire extinguisher |
I'm not an expert, but Halon is one of the options that
does NOT do the collateral damage. The fact that
it's obsolete isn't really 100% true. They can't
make it anymore, but, it's still made available for
aviation and is still legal to sell and use.
The Halotron is just a more environmentally approved alternate,
but often the things that are the new thing aren't as effective.
I know almost nothing about Halotron, but I know that Halon is
still available to us for planes, so I just wanted to point
that out. Halon is still the most effective though.
I suppose with google and a little
Halon vs. Haoltron search you could find a lot.
For instance:
http://www.h3raviation.com/faq.htm
http://www.h3raviation.com/press-FAA-Approval-397-398.htm
http://www.z06vette.com/forums/f5/halon-vs-halotron-85693/
http://www.vetteworksonline.com/cata...products_id=77"
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-general/2195274-halon-vs-halotron.html
http://www.halotron.com/product_origins.php
Excerpt from one is below my sig.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
"The EPA recognizes that that Halon remains the most effective "clean"
extinguishing agent available, despite its ozone depleting potential,
and there are no federal or state regulations prohibiting the buying,
selling or use of Halon extinguishers. All Halon available now is
recycled so it is an environmentally responsible choice."
and
"Halon can no longer be manufactured due to the effects it said to have
on the Ozone, so all the Halon left in the world has to be recycled to
fill new canisters. Halotron 1 is the replacement gas for Halon. It has
about the efficiency to Halon. For example, a 2.5LBS Halon bottle has
a UL rating of 5; where as, a 2.5LBS Halotron 1 has a UL rating of 2.
To understand the UL rating view this Halotron video:
http://www.vetteworksonline.com/videos/Amerex_WS.mov
Halon is still the granddaddy of the no mess fire extinguishers, and it
is the choice for most racers, but it is more expensive then Halotron 1.
I use Halon in my Corvettes. Put it in the front passenger seat using
the Vetteworks C3 bracket. A 2.5LBS extinguisher is sufficient enough
size. A 5 LBS is a bit big in a Corvette.
and
"Halon is the gold standard in fire suppression. However it's
manufacture was prohibited under the US Clean Air Act od 1994 as it is
an ozone depleating Bromated Flurocarbon. It is still manufactured in
some third world countries. It is NOT illegal to possess and use on
actual fires.
In fact the FAA requires up to 5 1211 Halon units on all heavy
commercial airliners.
Halon 1211 is a pressurized liquid most commonly found in hand held FE's
that is a non-conductive, oxygen robbing agent that leaves no residue as
it turns to a gas at normal atmospheric pressure.
Halon 1301 is a pressurized gas used in gas flooding fire suppression
systems.
Halotron is a synthetic substitute for Halon, a 2C3FC. It is fairly new
and is supposed to be as effective as Halon however it has not been
around as long.
here's it's MSDS:
http://halotron-inc.com/msds-test.htm
With any of the above I suggest taking in a deep breath before
deployment, holding it, and running like hell to up wind.
These gases will be quickly diluted and dissipate into the atmosphere.
I recommend using the Halon as it is tried and true and is the best
agent when fire is lapping at your butt.
My personal recommendation is to use either a
AMEREX Halon 1211 2.5# hand held FE
SAFECRAFT Halon 1301 20# 3 head Fire Suppression system
OR BOTH "
On 6/14/2010 2:26 PM, Lew Gallagher wrote:
>
> Hey Tim,
>
> Good to "see" your voice -- missed you there for awhile. Why would you
> want Halon if it does so much collateral damage and is essentially
> obsolete?
>
> Later, - Lew
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 2:23 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Halotron fire extinguisher
>
>
>>
>> True to some extent....but you can still get them for
>> Aviation:
>> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/h3rhalon.php
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Center Tunnel |
FWIW
I fabricated and installed the side tunnel access door for servicing the
fuel pump/filter.
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20The%20Home%20Stretch/slides/DSC05413.html
I don't think I'd do it again if I had to. The reason, is that there's
so much stuff in the tunnel that you want to check and inspect during
the condition inspection, that really requires you to take the tunnel
cover off. I haven't had the need/opportunity to get inside for anything
else, and it was a fair amount of work to fabricate and install. In my
case it requires removing the center console that sits on top of the
tunnel, and I still think its better to remove the tunnel cover. I DID
split the forward tunnel cover into 2 pieces,
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Control%20Approach%20Rudder-Brake%20Pedals/slides/DSC06591.html
and I WOULD definitely do that again.
I removed and cleaned my fuel filter during the last ACI and with the
andair fuel selector turned OFF and some paper towels placed under the
fittings. I didn't have any leakage into the bottom of the tunnel. YMMV
Deems Davis
N519PJ
www.deemsrv10.com
On 6/14/2010 12:08 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen<apilot2@gmail.com>
>
> To follow up: http://www.airward.com or http://tinyurl.com/2eetgbe for
> the exact page.
>
> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Kelly McMullen<kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen<kellym@aviating.com>
>>
>> Side access panel makes it easier. Bob Leffler has a picture of it on his
>> site. I'm not finding the web link for ordering the kit right now. Seems
>> like Air Ward was the vendor, but paperwork is at the hangar.
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | OSH Camping RV10 HQ |
Is anybody interested in splitting/sharing the cost of a camping site?
Judy & I are planning to fly in Sat/Sun and Leave Tues/Wed?
Deems Davis
N519PJ
www.deemsrv10.com
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| Subject: | Re: Center Tunnel |
Although not flying yet, here's my tunnel access that I made. I
changed from carburated to fuel injected so I had to change my fuel
pump. I went to the andair pump and decided to move the filtering out
to each wing root via an andair gascolator. So I have no filter to be
changed in the tunnel, my access panel is intended for inspection
purposes and possible pump servicing if necessary. Like Deems I have a
center console that I really don't want to have to remove to get to the
tunnel, so I'm hoping to carry out inspections via this panel, perhaps
with the aid of borescope type video camera.
Bob Newman,
www.tcwtech.com
40176.
http://picasaweb.google.com/rcnewman64/FuelPumpAndAccessDoor#
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| Subject: | Re: Center Tunnel |
Here is my AndAir install.
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| Subject: | Re: Center Tunnel |
Here is my AndAir install.
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