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1. 07:03 AM - Center TUnnel access (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy)
2. 09:24 AM - Re: Halotron fire extinguisher ()
3. 05:23 PM - Re: RV10-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 06/14/10 (Curtis Hawkins)
4. 07:16 PM - upper intersection fairings (Eric_Kallio)
5. 07:21 PM - Portable Air Conditioning Unit (Albert Gardner)
6. 07:22 PM - Seat Adjustment Arm (Albert Gardner)
7. 07:23 PM - Re: upper intersection fairings (Linn Walters)
8. 07:51 PM - Re: upper intersection fairings (AirMike)
9. 07:54 PM - Re: Portable Air Conditioning Unit (AirMike)
10. 08:02 PM - Re: upper intersection fairings (Don McDonald)
11. 08:35 PM - Re: upper intersection fairings (John Gonzalez)
12. 08:43 PM - Re: upper intersection fairings (Pascal)
13. 09:11 PM - Re: Seat Adjustment Arm (Robin Marks)
14. 10:13 PM - Re: Re: Portable Air Conditioning Unit (Albert Gardner)
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| Subject: | Center TUnnel access |
I enlarged a hole and drilled a new one in the bottom side frame of the
front seats, so I could get a screwdriver in there to remove the last
three screws on each side of the tunnel cover. That allows me to pull
the tunnel cover without removing the front seats.
YMMV . . .
Tim Dawson-Townsend
RV-10 40025
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
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| Subject: | Re: Halotron fire extinguisher |
Halon is not obsolete; available from stroud Fire in OKC. I have in my 10.
---- Lew Gallagher <lewgall@charter.net> wrote:
>
> Hey Tim,
>
> Good to "see" your voice -- missed you there for awhile. Why would you want
> Halon if it does so much collateral damage and is essentially obsolete?
>
> Later, - Lew
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 2:23 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Halotron fire extinguisher
>
>
> >
> > True to some extent....but you can still get them for
> > Aviation:
> > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/h3rhalon.php
> >
> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> > do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV10-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 06/14/10 |
Please remove curtis hawkins from your E-Mailing list. I'm no longer
involved with the RV'. Curt
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> 1. 06:42 AM - Re: Crow Harnesses (David Maib)
> 2. 07:04 AM - Re: Crow Harnesses (Larry Rosen)
> 3. 07:35 AM - Center Tunnel (Albert Gardner)
> 4. 07:49 AM - Re: Center Tunnel (Linn Walters)
> 5. 07:53 AM - Re: Center Tunnel (Perry, Phil)
> 6. 08:24 AM - Re: Center Tunnel (Kelly McMullen)
> 7. 08:38 AM - Re: Center Tunnel (Albert Gardner)
> 8. 08:38 AM - Re: Center Tunnel (Jesse Saint)
> 9. 10:33 AM - Halotron fire extinguisher (Lew Gallagher)
> 10. 10:34 AM - Re: Five point harness? (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
> 11. 10:44 AM - Re: Center Tunnel (John Cox)
> 12. 11:07 AM - Re: Crow Harnesses (n277dl)
> 13. 11:25 AM - Re: Halotron fire extinguisher (Tim Olson)
> 14. 12:09 PM - Re: Center Tunnel (Kelly McMullen)
> 15. 12:27 PM - Re: Halotron fire extinguisher (Lew Gallagher)
> 16. 12:39 PM - Re: weight/balance (John Cumins)
> 17. 12:49 PM - Re: Halotron fire extinguisher (Tim Olson)
> 18. 03:51 PM - Re: Center Tunnel (Deems Davis)
> 19. 04:56 PM - OSH Camping RV10 HQ (Deems Davis)
> 20. 06:47 PM - Re: Center Tunnel (bob-tcw)
> 21. 10:00 PM - Re: Center Tunnel (Strasnuts)
> 22. 10:00 PM - Re: Center Tunnel (Strasnuts)
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> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:42:47 AM PST US
> From: David Maib <dmaib@mac.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Crow Harnesses
>
> Rob,
> I talked to the folks at Crow and they told me how to measure for the
> correct lengths. It has been a couple of years ago and I don't
> remember what the measurements were. I would call Crow and ask. I am
> very happy with my Crow belts and harnesses.
>
> David Maib
> 40559
>
>
> On Jun 14, 2010, at 12:38 AM, Rob Kochman wrote:
>
> Dave, did you ever get this figured out? Any other -10 builders use
> the Crow harnesses?
>
> -Rob
>
> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:54 PM, dmaib@mac.com <dmaib@mac.com> wrote:
>
> I am planning on ordering Crow harnesses and would like to know if
> anybody knows the correct measurements for front and rear seats?
> Shoulder harnesses and lap belts. [Question]
>
> --------
> David Maib
> RV-10 #40559
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184229#184229
>
>
> br> nics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target="_blank">http://
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> t="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
> le, List Admin.
> ===
>
>
> --
> Rob Kochman
> RV-10 "Finishing" Kit
> Woodinville, WA (near Seattle)
> http://kochman.net/N819K
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:04:25 AM PST US
> From: Larry Rosen <N205EN@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Crow Harnesses
>
>
> Vic Syracuse use Crow harnesses in his RV-10.
>
> Larry Rosen
>
> Rob Kochman wrote:
>> Dave, did you ever get this figured out? Any other -10 builders use
>> the Crow harnesses?
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:54 PM, dmaib@mac.com <mailto:dmaib@mac.com>
>> <dmaib@mac.com <mailto:dmaib@mac.com>> wrote:
>>
>> <mailto:dmaib@mac.com>" <dmaib@mac.com <mailto:dmaib@mac.com>>
>>
>> I am planning on ordering Crow harnesses and would like to know if
>> anybody knows the correct measurements for front and rear seats?
>> Shoulder harnesses and lap belts. [Question]
>>
>> --------
>> David Maib
>> RV-10 #40559
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184229#184229
>>
>>
>> br> nics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"
>> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>> t="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
>> le, List Admin.
>> ===
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rob Kochman
>> RV-10 "Finishing" Kit
>> Woodinville, WA (near Seattle)
>> http://kochman.net/N819K
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:35:45 AM PST US
> From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@roadrunner.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: Center Tunnel
>
> After reading about the explosion/fire in the RV-10 possibly due to a fuel
> leak in the tunnel I took a look at mine just to check since it has been
> awhile since the annual inspection. No leaks but I still don't like the
> spillage associated with opening the filter for inspection/cleaning. One
> thing I changed was the routing of the brake lines. Page 36-3 routes the
> lines almost against the floor making cleanup difficult. I changed the
> orientation of the cushion clamps so that the brake line is held up off
> the
> floor and cleanup is much easier.
>
>
> Now I'm looking at the idea of accessing the filter through the bottom of
> the tunnel so that no fuel is spilled inside cleaning the filter. Also,
> getting in the tunnel from the top is difficult as the rudder cables must
> be
> disconnected, seats removed, and carpet removed to get access to the
> tunnel
> cover.
>
>
> I'm thinking of installing a cup holder in the tunnel cover so that I
> could
> easily inspect the interior by pulling out the cup holder and shinning a
> flashlight in there without removing anything else.
>
>
> Albert Gardner
>
> N991RV
>
> Yume, AZ
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:49:30 AM PST US
> From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Center Tunnel
>
> You could remove the tunnel filter and put it under the front seat, and
> buy a second one for the other side. Far more room to swing a wrench
> and get your hands on the filter. Before I put the wings on, I'll seal
> the fuel lines at the root and draw a vacuum on the system to the
> firewall ..... Don't want any slow leaks.
> Linn
> do not archive.
>
> Albert Gardner wrote:
>>
>> After reading about the explosion/fire in the RV-10 possibly due to a
>> fuel leak in the tunnel I took a look at mine just to check since it
>> has been awhile since the annual inspection. No leaks but I still
>> don't like the spillage associated with opening the filter for
>> inspection/cleaning. One thing I changed was the routing of the brake
>> lines. Page 36-3 routes the lines almost against the floor making
>> cleanup difficult. I changed the orientation of the cushion clamps so
>> that the brake line is held up off the floor and cleanup is much easier.
>>
>>
>>
>> Now I'm looking at the idea of accessing the filter through the bottom
>> of the tunnel so that no fuel is spilled inside cleaning the filter.
>> Also, getting in the tunnel from the top is difficult as the rudder
>> cables must be disconnected, seats removed, and carpet removed to get
>> access to the tunnel cover.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm thinking of installing a cup holder in the tunnel cover so that I
>> could easily inspect the interior by pulling out the cup holder and
>> shinning a flashlight in there without removing anything else.
>>
>>
>>
>> Albert Gardner
>>
>> N991RV
>>
>> Yume, AZ
>>
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:53:48 AM PST US
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Center Tunnel
> From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry@netapp.com>
>
> I changed the orientation of the cushion clamps so that the brake line
> is held up off the floor and cleanup is much easier.
>
>
> I did the same thing on mine, but I'm not 100% committed to it yet. I
> might turn them back correctly.
>
>
> My bigger concern were the brake lines rubbing on the shop-head-side of
> the rivets that are directly below the lines. With the cushion clamps
> held in their "correct" position, the brake lines aren't more than 1/32
> - 1/16" off those shop heads and I didn't want the rivets working my
> brake lines. (BTW - I'm using Bonaco lines all the way through the
> tunnel.)
>
>
> I'd like the clamps to be oriented correctly, but I don't like the
> possibility of the rivets working on those lines. I've been trying to
> come up with a rub-barrier that I can insert between the rivets and the
> lines, but I haven't come up with anything yet. So I might end up
> flipping the clamps over too, but with flex lines, I'd really need to be
> careful that they don't eventually rotate down a few degrees pushing the
> flex lines back down on the rivets (again). J
>
>
> There has to be a barrier we could put in there to keep the lines off
> the rivet tails.
>
>
> Phil
>
>
> From: Albert Gardner [mailto:ibspud@roadrunner.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:32 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: Center Tunnel
>
>
> After reading about the explosion/fire in the RV-10 possibly due to a
> fuel leak in the tunnel I took a look at mine just to check since it has
> been awhile since the annual inspection. No leaks but I still don't like
> the spillage associated with opening the filter for inspection/cleaning.
> One thing I changed was the routing of the brake lines. Page 36-3 routes
> the lines almost against the floor making cleanup difficult. I changed
> the orientation of the cushion clamps so that the brake line is held up
> off the floor and cleanup is much easier.
>
>
> Now I'm looking at the idea of accessing the filter through the bottom
> of the tunnel so that no fuel is spilled inside cleaning the filter.
> Also, getting in the tunnel from the top is difficult as the rudder
> cables must be disconnected, seats removed, and carpet removed to get
> access to the tunnel cover.
>
>
> I'm thinking of installing a cup holder in the tunnel cover so that I
> could easily inspect the interior by pulling out the cup holder and
> shinning a flashlight in there without removing anything else.
>
>
> Albert Gardner
>
> N991RV
>
> Yume, AZ
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:24:08 AM PST US
> From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Center Tunnel
>
>
> Side access panel makes it easier. Bob Leffler has a picture of it on
> his site. I'm not finding the web link for ordering the kit right now.
> Seems like Air Ward was the vendor, but paperwork is at the hangar.
>
>
> On 6/14/2010 7:32 AM, Albert Gardner wrote:
>>
>> After reading about the explosion/fire in the RV-10 possibly due to a
>> fuel leak in the tunnel I took a look at mine just to check since it
>> has been awhile since the annual inspection. No leaks but I still
>> don't like the spillage associated with opening the filter for
>> inspection/cleaning. One thing I changed was the routing of the brake
>> lines. Page 36-3 routes the lines almost against the floor making
>> cleanup difficult. I changed the orientation of the cushion clamps so
>> that the brake line is held up off the floor and cleanup is much easier.
>>
>> Now I'm looking at the idea of accessing the filter through the bottom
>> of the tunnel so that no fuel is spilled inside cleaning the filter.
>> Also, getting in the tunnel from the top is difficult as the rudder
>> cables must be disconnected, seats removed, and carpet removed to get
>> access to the tunnel cover.
>>
>> I'm thinking of installing a cup holder in the tunnel cover so that I
>> could easily inspect the interior by pulling out the cup holder and
>> shinning a flashlight in there without removing anything else.
>>
>> Albert Gardner
>>
>> N991RV
>>
>> Yume, AZ
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:38:23 AM PST US
> From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@roadrunner.com>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Center Tunnel
>
> I had the same concern about the close proximity of the rivets and the
> brake
> line so I slid rubber tubing over the lines in the area between the
> cushion
> clamps. I
>
> suppose that also made it a little harder to clean up under the brake
> lines
> though.
>
> Albert Gardner
>
> N991RV
>
> Yuma, AZ
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 7:53 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Center Tunnel
>
> I changed the orientation of the cushion clamps so that the brake line is
> held up off the floor and cleanup is much easier.
>
> I did the same thing on mine, but I'm not 100% committed to it yet. I
> might
> turn them back correctly.
>
> My bigger concern were the brake lines rubbing on the shop-head-side of
> the
> rivets that are directly below the lines. With the cushion clamps held in
> their "correct" position, the brake lines aren't more than 1/32 - 1/16"
> off
> those shop heads and I didn't want the rivets working my brake lines.
> (BTW
> - I'm using Bonaco lines all the way through the tunnel.)
>
> I'd like the clamps to be oriented correctly, but I don't like the
> possibility of the rivets working on those lines. I've been trying to
> come
> up with a rub-barrier that I can insert between the rivets and the lines,
> but I haven't come up with anything yet. So I might end up flipping the
> clamps over too, but with flex lines, I'd really need to be careful that
> they don't eventually rotate down a few degrees pushing the flex lines
> back
> down on the rivets (again). J
>
> There has to be a barrier we could put in there to keep the lines off the
> rivet tails.
>
> Phil
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:38:50 AM PST US
> From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Center Tunnel
>
> This is a great way to do it, but don't forget that you will need to
> drain your fuel tanks before cleaning the filters.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
> On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:42 AM, Linn Walters wrote:
>
>> You could remove the tunnel filter and put it under the front seat,
> and buy a second one for the other side. Far more room to swing a
> wrench and get your hands on the filter. Before I put the wings on,
> I'll seal the fuel lines at the root and draw a vacuum on the system to
> the firewall ..... Don't want any slow leaks.
>> Linn
>> do not archive.
>>
>> Albert Gardner wrote:
>>>
>>> After reading about the explosion/fire in the RV-10 possibly due to a
> fuel leak in the tunnel I took a look at mine just to check since it has
> been awhile since the annual inspection. No leaks but I still don't like
> the spillage associated with opening the filter for inspection/cleaning.
> One thing I changed was the routing of the brake lines. Page 36-3 routes
> the lines almost against the floor making cleanup difficult. I changed
> the orientation of the cushion clamps so that the brake line is held up
> off the floor and cleanup is much easier.
>>>
>>> Now I'm looking at the idea of accessing the filter through the
> bottom of the tunnel so that no fuel is spilled inside cleaning the
> filter. Also, getting in the tunnel from the top is difficult as the
> rudder cables must be disconnected, seats removed, and carpet removed to
> get access to the tunnel cover.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking of installing a cup holder in the tunnel cover so that I
> could easily inspect the interior by pulling out the cup holder and
> shinning a flashlight in there without removing anything else.
>>>
>>> Albert Gardner
>>> N991RV
>>> Yume, AZ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics
> .com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>>>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/co
> ntribution
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:33:54 AM PST US
> Subject: RV10-List: Halotron fire extinguisher
> From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
>
>
> Hey Guys,
>
> With the discussion about the tunnel fire/explosion, I decided to follow
> up on
> some of the discussions about tunnel/FF nozzles, extinguishers, etc. When
> I called
> the guy that does my building's fire inspections, he said they haven't
> made
> Halon extinguishers since the mid nineties, and that they only do Halotron
> now. No flurocarbons, no residue, doesn't destroy electrical, etc. So I
> ordered
> a 2.5 lb one from him (Buckeye, 70256, $88.00).
>
> Am I late on this? Is this what everyone is installing now? I searched
> briefly
> and didn't see any reference to it, so I thought I'd ask.
>
> By the way, the one follow up report on the fire was very generic, and I'd
> love
> to hear more from the pilot other than that one quick response where he
> said
> he thought he may have hit the flap switch, and that they're basically OK.
> Fuel
> lines, pump -- anything left to diagnose what happened?
>
> Later, - Lew
>
> --------
> non-pilot
> crazy about building
> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
> Fly off completed !
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301200#301200
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:34:59 AM PST US
> From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Five point harness?
>
>
> 4 point planned here. Might feel different if I had precious little
> frequent flyers.
>
> Nice for acro but that has little to do with the '10.
>
> Had one in a couple of sailplanes. Staying in the seat was a challenge
> when ridge running but the 5th point only beat up my crotch. Found
> cinching up the lap belts was best. But the reclining position you have
> in a hi-perf sailplane has little to do with the '10.
>
> Bill
>
> Carl Froehlich wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>>
>>
>> Looking for the general consensus, 5 point harness for the rear seats
>> or 4 point?
>>
>>
>>
>> Carl Froehlich
>>
>> RV-8A (540 hrs)
>>
>> RV-10 (systems install)
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 11
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:44:42 AM PST US
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Center Tunnel
> From: John Cox <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
> A great rule of thumb is a minimum of 0.125" from any surface (we often
> try
> for 0.375") which could otherwise chafe lines during the airframe's life.
> During the Conditional, it's the guy inspecting that must (should) look fo
> r new chafes, dents and damage before the hydro-carbons find a new path to
> freedom. The Adels help the inspector get under there with an inspection
> mi
> rror. Dan Checkoway had excellent examples of where even the best of his
> p
> lans and well intentioned construction could overlook those contact
> points.
> Adel clamps - MS21919DWG are a solid means to build in such protection.
> They can be a bitch but those Aircraft Spruce Pliers seem nifty. There are
> aluminum spacers (in various heights) that allow for stacking of Adels or
> f
> or staggering. Always try to route wiring above and 6" away from
> hydro-car
> bon lines. Paul Grimstad had some nifty foam adhesive pads that
> electricia
> ns use that could help.
>
> Although the AC 43.13 is boring, it can serve as a good clarifying
> referenc
> e.
>
> I won't speak for VANs but I doubt they would say "Forgetaboutit... just
> bu
> ild it". Oh, that's right. KS has said that before.
>
> John Cox
>
>
> From: Perry, Phil
> Sent: Mon 6/14/2010 7:53 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Center Tunnel
>
>
> I changed the orientation of the cushion clamps so that the brake line is
> h
> eld up off the floor and cleanup is much easier.
>
> I did the same thing on mine, but I'm not 100% committed to it yet. I
> migh
> t turn them back correctly.
>
> My bigger concern were the brake lines rubbing on the shop-head-side of
> the
> rivets that are directly below the lines. With the cushion clamps held in
> their "correct" position, the brake lines aren't more than 1/32 - 1/16" of
> f those shop heads and I didn't want the rivets working my brake lines.
> (B
> TW - I'm using Bonaco lines all the way through the tunnel.)
>
> I'd like the clamps to be oriented correctly, but I don't like the
> possibil
> ity of the rivets working on those lines. I've been trying to come up
> with
> a rub-barrier that I can insert between the rivets and the lines, but I ha
> ven't come up with anything yet. So I might end up flipping the clamps
> ove
> r too, but with flex lines, I'd really need to be careful that they don't
> e
> ventually rotate down a few degrees pushing the flex lines back down on
> the
> rivets (again). J
>
> There has to be a barrier we could put in there to keep the lines off the
> r
> ivet tails.
>
> Phil
>
>
> From: Albert Gardner [mailto:ibspud@roadrunner.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:32 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: Center Tunnel
>
> After reading about the explosion/fire in the RV-10 possibly due to a fuel
> leak in the tunnel I took a look at mine just to check since it has been
> aw
> hile since the annual inspection. No leaks but I still don't like the
> spill
> age associated with opening the filter for inspection/cleaning. One thing
> I
> changed was the routing of the brake lines. Page 36-3 routes the lines alm
> ost against the floor making cleanup difficult. I changed the orientation
> o
> f the cushion clamps so that the brake line is held up off the floor and
> cl
> eanup is much easier.
>
> Now I'm looking at the idea of accessing the filter through the bottom of
> t
> he tunnel so that no fuel is spilled inside cleaning the filter. Also,
> gett
> ing in the tunnel from the top is difficult as the rudder cables must be
> di
> sconnected, seats removed, and carpet removed to get access to the tunnel
> c
> over.
>
> I'm thinking of installing a cup holder in the tunnel cover so that I
> could
> easily inspect the interior by pulling out the cup holder and shinning a f
> lashlight in there without removing anything else.
>
> Albert Gardner
> N991RV
> Yume, AZ
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>
>
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 12
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:07:10 AM PST US
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Crow Harnesses
> From: "n277dl" <dljinia@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Rob,
> I called and Mr Crow knew exactly what lengths / type I needed for
> the -10.
> He had them sent out to me in a couple days. Look nice.
>
> Doug
>
> --------
> Doug
> "Fools" are always more creative than process people and will
> always
> find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301203#301203
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 13
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:25:14 AM PST US
> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Halotron fire extinguisher
>
>
> True to some extent....but you can still get them for
> Aviation:
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/h3rhalon.php
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 6/14/2010 12:33 PM, Lew Gallagher wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lew
>> Gallagher"<lewgall@charter.net>
>>
>> Hey Guys,
>>
>> With the discussion about the tunnel fire/explosion, I decided to
>> follow up on some of the discussions about tunnel/FF nozzles,
>> extinguishers, etc. When I called the guy that does my building's
>> fire inspections, he said they haven't made Halon extinguishers since
>> the mid nineties, and that they only do Halotron now. No
>> flurocarbons, no residue, doesn't destroy electrical, etc. So I
>> ordered a 2.5 lb one from him (Buckeye, 70256, $88.00).
>>
>> Am I late on this? Is this what everyone is installing now? I
>> searched briefly and didn't see any reference to it, so I thought I'd
>> ask.
>>
>> By the way, the one follow up report on the fire was very generic,
>> and I'd love to hear more from the pilot other than that one quick
>> response where he said he thought he may have hit the flap switch,
>> and that they're basically OK. Fuel lines, pump -- anything left to
>> diagnose what happened?
>>
>> Later, - Lew
>>
>> -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
>> Fly off completed !
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301200#301200
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 14
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:09:31 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Center Tunnel
> From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>
>
>
> To follow up: http://www.airward.com or http://tinyurl.com/2eetgbe for
> the exact page.
>
> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Side access panel makes it easier. Bob Leffler has a picture of it on his
>> site. I'm not finding the web link for ordering the kit right now. Seems
>> like Air Ward was the vendor, but paperwork is at the hangar.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 15
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:27:42 PM PST US
> From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Halotron fire extinguisher
>
>
> Hey Tim,
>
> Good to "see" your voice -- missed you there for awhile. Why would you
> want
> Halon if it does so much collateral damage and is essentially obsolete?
>
> Later, - Lew
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 2:23 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Halotron fire extinguisher
>
>
>>
>> True to some extent....but you can still get them for
>> Aviation:
>> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/h3rhalon.php
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>> do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 16
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:39:24 PM PST US
> From: "John Cumins" <jcumins@jcis.net>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: weight/balance
>
>
> Your scenario sounds allot like the Saratoga that I fly a lot. When 1-2 on
> board
> and full tanks the cg is very forward and you dont have much left in the
> elevator
> with full flaps in the flare. I use only 25 degrees of flaps when lightly
> loaded and normal size runway. Short runway always full flaps and take
> ballast.
>
>
> If you take ballast and want to pick up 2 people I bet you would still be
> in cg
> limits even with the 40 lbs in the back.
>
>
> John G. Cumins
> 40864 down to emp trim system and firberglass work
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> jfrjr@roadrunner.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 5:35 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: weight/balance
>
>
> Now that I have 70+ hours I am starting to fine tune things with regards
> to W/B.
> When flying solo or with only two souls I find that I need at least 40lbs
> in
> the baggage compartment or I don't have any elevator left when entering
> the
> flair especially with full flaps. With 4 souls, full gas, and empty
> baggage there
> is plenty of elevator left. So my question is what do people do when you
> (and your copilot) head out from home to pick up two friends for a ride?
> Do I
> then throw the two cases of oil away, have it fedexed home, or store it
> under
> my feet? And then what do I do after dropping of the friends for the ride
> back
> home? Put the copilot in the baggage compartment? Jay Rowe #40301
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 17
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:49:38 PM PST US
> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Halotron fire extinguisher
>
>
> I'm not an expert, but Halon is one of the options that
> does NOT do the collateral damage. The fact that
> it's obsolete isn't really 100% true. They can't
> make it anymore, but, it's still made available for
> aviation and is still legal to sell and use.
> The Halotron is just a more environmentally approved alternate,
> but often the things that are the new thing aren't as effective.
> I know almost nothing about Halotron, but I know that Halon is
> still available to us for planes, so I just wanted to point
> that out. Halon is still the most effective though.
>
> I suppose with google and a little
> Halon vs. Haoltron search you could find a lot.
>
> For instance:
> http://www.h3raviation.com/faq.htm
> http://www.h3raviation.com/press-FAA-Approval-397-398.htm
> http://www.z06vette.com/forums/f5/halon-vs-halotron-85693/
> http://www.vetteworksonline.com/cata...products_id=77"
> http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-general/2195274-halon-vs-halotron.html
> http://www.halotron.com/product_origins.php
>
>
> Excerpt from one is below my sig.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> "The EPA recognizes that that Halon remains the most effective "clean"
> extinguishing agent available, despite its ozone depleting potential,
> and there are no federal or state regulations prohibiting the buying,
> selling or use of Halon extinguishers. All Halon available now is
> recycled so it is an environmentally responsible choice."
>
>
> and
>
>
> "Halon can no longer be manufactured due to the effects it said to have
> on the Ozone, so all the Halon left in the world has to be recycled to
> fill new canisters. Halotron 1 is the replacement gas for Halon. It has
> about the efficiency to Halon. For example, a 2.5LBS Halon bottle has
> a UL rating of 5; where as, a 2.5LBS Halotron 1 has a UL rating of 2.
> To understand the UL rating view this Halotron video:
> http://www.vetteworksonline.com/videos/Amerex_WS.mov
>
> Halon is still the granddaddy of the no mess fire extinguishers, and it
> is the choice for most racers, but it is more expensive then Halotron 1.
> I use Halon in my Corvettes. Put it in the front passenger seat using
> the Vetteworks C3 bracket. A 2.5LBS extinguisher is sufficient enough
> size. A 5 LBS is a bit big in a Corvette.
>
>
> and
>
>
> "Halon is the gold standard in fire suppression. However it's
> manufacture was prohibited under the US Clean Air Act od 1994 as it is
> an ozone depleating Bromated Flurocarbon. It is still manufactured in
> some third world countries. It is NOT illegal to possess and use on
> actual fires.
>
> In fact the FAA requires up to 5 1211 Halon units on all heavy
> commercial airliners.
>
> Halon 1211 is a pressurized liquid most commonly found in hand held FE's
> that is a non-conductive, oxygen robbing agent that leaves no residue as
> it turns to a gas at normal atmospheric pressure.
>
> Halon 1301 is a pressurized gas used in gas flooding fire suppression
> systems.
>
> Halotron is a synthetic substitute for Halon, a 2C3FC. It is fairly new
> and is supposed to be as effective as Halon however it has not been
> around as long.
>
> here's it's MSDS:
>
> http://halotron-inc.com/msds-test.htm
>
> With any of the above I suggest taking in a deep breath before
> deployment, holding it, and running like hell to up wind.
> These gases will be quickly diluted and dissipate into the atmosphere.
>
> I recommend using the Halon as it is tried and true and is the best
> agent when fire is lapping at your butt.
>
> My personal recommendation is to use either a
> AMEREX Halon 1211 2.5# hand held FE
> SAFECRAFT Halon 1301 20# 3 head Fire Suppression system
> OR BOTH "
>
>
> On 6/14/2010 2:26 PM, Lew Gallagher wrote:
>>
>> Hey Tim,
>>
>> Good to "see" your voice -- missed you there for awhile. Why would you
>> want Halon if it does so much collateral damage and is essentially
>> obsolete?
>>
>> Later, - Lew
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 2:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Halotron fire extinguisher
>>
>>
>>>
>>> True to some extent....but you can still get them for
>>> Aviation:
>>> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/h3rhalon.php
>>>
>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>>> do not archive
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 18
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:51:03 PM PST US
> From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Center Tunnel
>
> FWIW
> I fabricated and installed the side tunnel access door for servicing the
> fuel pump/filter.
> http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20The%20Home%20Stretch/slides/DSC05413.html
> I don't think I'd do it again if I had to. The reason, is that there's
> so much stuff in the tunnel that you want to check and inspect during
> the condition inspection, that really requires you to take the tunnel
> cover off. I haven't had the need/opportunity to get inside for anything
> else, and it was a fair amount of work to fabricate and install. In my
> case it requires removing the center console that sits on top of the
> tunnel, and I still think its better to remove the tunnel cover. I DID
> split the forward tunnel cover into 2 pieces,
> http://deemsrv10.com/album/Control%20Approach%20Rudder-Brake%20Pedals/slides/DSC06591.html
> and I WOULD definitely do that again.
> I removed and cleaned my fuel filter during the last ACI and with the
> andair fuel selector turned OFF and some paper towels placed under the
> fittings. I didn't have any leakage into the bottom of the tunnel. YMMV
>
> Deems Davis
> N519PJ
> www.deemsrv10.com
>
> On 6/14/2010 12:08 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen<apilot2@gmail.com>
>>
>> To follow up: http://www.airward.com or http://tinyurl.com/2eetgbe for
>> the exact page.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Kelly McMullen<kellym@aviating.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen<kellym@aviating.com>
>>>
>>> Side access panel makes it easier. Bob Leffler has a picture of it on
>>> his
>>> site. I'm not finding the web link for ordering the kit right now. Seems
>>> like Air Ward was the vendor, but paperwork is at the hangar.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> ________________________________ Message 19
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:56:38 PM PST US
> From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
> Subject: RV10-List: OSH Camping RV10 HQ
>
> Is anybody interested in splitting/sharing the cost of a camping site?
> Judy & I are planning to fly in Sat/Sun and Leave Tues/Wed?
>
> Deems Davis
> N519PJ
> www.deemsrv10.com
>
> ________________________________ Message 20
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:47:41 PM PST US
> From: "bob-tcw" <rnewman@tcwtech.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Center Tunnel
>
> Although not flying yet, here's my tunnel access that I made. I
> changed from carburated to fuel injected so I had to change my fuel
> pump. I went to the andair pump and decided to move the filtering out
> to each wing root via an andair gascolator. So I have no filter to be
> changed in the tunnel, my access panel is intended for inspection
> purposes and possible pump servicing if necessary. Like Deems I have a
> center console that I really don't want to have to remove to get to the
> tunnel, so I'm hoping to carry out inspections via this panel, perhaps
> with the aid of borescope type video camera.
>
> Bob Newman,
> www.tcwtech.com
> 40176.
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/rcnewman64/FuelPumpAndAccessDoor#
>
> ________________________________ Message 21
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:00:02 PM PST US
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Center Tunnel
> From: "Strasnuts" <sean@braunandco.com>
>
>
> Here is my AndAir install.
>
> --------
> Cust. #40936
> RV-10 SB Fuselage
> N801VR reserved
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301266#301266
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/tunnel1_177.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/tunnel_177.jpg
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 22
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:00:12 PM PST US
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Center Tunnel
> From: "Strasnuts" <sean@braunandco.com>
>
>
> Here is my AndAir install.
>
> --------
> Cust. #40936
> RV-10 SB Fuselage
> N801VR reserved
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301267#301267
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/tunnel1_177.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/tunnel_177.jpg
>
>
>
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| Subject: | upper intersection fairings |
Finishing up the wheel pants and fairings. The lower gear fairings fit very well.
After reinforcing them per the plans, and glassing them into the pant as others
have done, it is going very well. However, the upper intersection fairings
are garbage. They appear to have been pulled from the mold too early as the
edges are drooped a little and the whole part is absolutely nowhere near matching
the lines of the aircraft or the shape of the leg fairing. Are there any sources
out there for new upper fairings. I only know of Fairings etc. As fast
as the market grows there has to be another group out there making a better quality
fairing.
Eric Kallio
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| Subject: | Portable Air Conditioning Unit |
105 here today but working on the plane was not too uncomfortable due to an
old window A/C unit I modified so that I could attach some house A/C ducts
to. I replace the long ducts with some flexible AL ducts so that I can blow
cool air at me while working on the engine.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma AZ
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| Subject: | Seat Adjustment Arm |
I previously purchased a seat adjustment arm from ? but the square tube it
was made from was too light and one of my passengers broke it. I found some
heavier wall tube (.063) and made a replacement arm. Since I had the knob
from the previous arm it was an easy task. I think the heavier arm will
resist my passengers attempts to break it if I watch them carefully. Works
much better that the factory supplied handle. Also when I installed the arm
I added the mini platenuts as it made it much easier to remove and replace
the seat.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
PS: I have heard that the supplier ? of the adjustment arm is now making
them out of the heavy wall tubing.
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| Subject: | Re: upper intersection fairings |
Why not take the issue up with Vans. They'd probably ship you another
set. At least they'd be aware of a problem.
Linn
Eric_Kallio wrote:
>
> Finishing up the wheel pants and fairings. The lower gear fairings fit very well.
After reinforcing them per the plans, and glassing them into the pant as
others have done, it is going very well. However, the upper intersection fairings
are garbage. They appear to have been pulled from the mold too early as the
edges are drooped a little and the whole part is absolutely nowhere near matching
the lines of the aircraft or the shape of the leg fairing. Are there any
sources out there for new upper fairings. I only know of Fairings etc. As fast
as the market grows there has to be another group out there making a better
quality fairing.
>
> Eric Kallio
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301361#301361
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: upper intersection fairings |
Mine were also a bit "rough" but usable - shipped in late 2007. It took a lot of
work to make them right
--------
OSH '10 or Bust
Q/B - finally done
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| Subject: | Re: Portable Air Conditioning Unit |
For flying I like the idea of the fan operated cooler that goes in the back seat
of the plane. The guy was selling them at OSH last year for about $500 in the
large size. But they had a crummy cheapo cooler from China. I hope that they
have upgraded the container this year. Maybe I will buy one. It is hot here in
Nevada.
--------
OSH '10 or Bust
Q/B - finally done
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| Subject: | Re: upper intersection fairings |
Made my own... not toooo much work, lighter, and better fit.- I can send
pics if interested.
Don McDonald-
--- On Tue, 6/15/10, Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: upper intersection fairings
Why not take the issue up with Vans.- They'd probably ship you another
set.- At least they'd be aware of a problem.
Linn
Eric_Kallio wrote:
>
> Finishing up the wheel pants and fairings. The lower gear fairings fit ve
ry well. After reinforcing them per the plans, and glassing them into the p
ant as others have done, it is going very well. However, the upper intersec
tion fairings are garbage. They appear to have been pulled from the mold to
o early as the edges are drooped a little and the whole part is absolutely
nowhere near matching the lines of the aircraft or the shape of the leg fai
ring. Are there any sources out there for new upper fairings. I only know o
f Fairings etc. As fast as the market grows there has to be another group o
ut there making a better quality fairing.
>
> Eric Kallio
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301361#301361
>
>
>---
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | upper intersection fairings |
Use a lot of lube=2C PVA=2C duct tape=2C blue foam or canned spray foam and
shape the foam directly on the underside of the plane. Then glass the outs
ide of the foam overlapping onto the duct tape. Pull it off after cure. Add
aditional layers of glass=2C to the outside and let cure and then pour fue
l over the foam to get rid of it. Sand an prime then make molds and sell to
the rest of us.
Get ready=2C set go!
> Subject: RV10-List: upper intersection fairings
> From: scout019@msn.com
> Date: Tue=2C 15 Jun 2010 19:16:09 -0700
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Finishing up the wheel pants and fairings. The lower gear fairings fit ve
ry well. After reinforcing them per the plans=2C and glassing them into the
pant as others have done=2C it is going very well. However=2C the upper in
tersection fairings are garbage. They appear to have been pulled from the m
old too early as the edges are drooped a little and the whole part is absol
utely nowhere near matching the lines of the aircraft or the shape of the l
eg fairing. Are there any sources out there for new upper fairings. I only
know of Fairings etc. As fast as the market grows there has to be another g
roup out there making a better quality fairing.
>
> Eric Kallio
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301361#301361
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: upper intersection fairings |
I think most of the fiberglass parts I received fit your criteria. I
actually spent months getting the cowlings to be aligned. I needed to heat
it up and shape it. In all cases I went through layers of extra glass and
resin and assumed Vans sent a mold and the builder is left to make the final
fit. With the upper fairings I needed to put 2-3 layers of glass a some flox
and a whole lot of shaping.
I would (and I did) just cleco the fairings on the bottom skins and shape it
to your liking, it really doesn't take that make time doing it.
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019@msn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 7:16 PM
Subject: RV10-List: upper intersection fairings
>
> Finishing up the wheel pants and fairings. The lower gear fairings fit
> very well. After reinforcing them per the plans, and glassing them into
> the pant as others have done, it is going very well. However, the upper
> intersection fairings are garbage. They appear to have been pulled from
> the mold too early as the edges are drooped a little and the whole part is
> absolutely nowhere near matching the lines of the aircraft or the shape of
> the leg fairing. Are there any sources out there for new upper fairings. I
> only know of Fairings etc. As fast as the market grows there has to be
> another group out there making a better quality fairing.
>
> Eric Kallio
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301361#301361
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Seat Adjustment Arm |
I love this mod.
Robin
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On Jun 15, 2010, at 7:14 PM, Albert Gardner <ibspud@roadrunner.com> wrote:
I previously purchased a seat adjustment arm from ? but the square tube it
was made from was too light and one of my passengers broke it. I found some
heavier wall tube (.063) and made a replacement arm. Since I had the knob
from the previous arm it was an easy task. I think the heavier arm will
resist my passengers attempts to break it if I watch them carefully. Works
much better that the factory supplied handle. Also when I installed the arm
I added the mini platenuts as it made it much easier to remove and replace
the seat.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
PS: I have heard that the supplier ? of the adjustment arm is now making
them out of the heavy wall tubing.
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| Subject: | Re: Portable Air Conditioning Unit |
Check out Cabella's - look at their 'Tent Coolers' for about $100, works on
batterys or a cig lighter plugin. I have one and it's OK - poor man's A/C.
Fits between the rear seats. Takes 8 D cells so the plugin is probably a
better way to go.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 7:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Portable Air Conditioning Unit
For flying I like the idea of the fan operated cooler that goes in the back
seat of the plane. The guy was selling them at OSH last year for about $500
in the large size. But they had a crummy cheapo cooler from China. I hope
that they have upgraded the container this year. Maybe I will buy one. It is
hot here in Nevada.
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OSH '10 or Bust
Q/B - finally done
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