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1. 05:03 AM - O2 Systems (MARCUS COOPER)
2. 05:55 AM - Re: Tool question - anyone familiar with Enderes tools? (Richard Martin)
3. 06:01 AM - Re: O2 Systems (Kelly McMullen)
4. 06:10 AM - Post Replies (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy)
5. 06:23 AM - Re: O2 Systems (Rene Felker)
6. 06:34 AM - Re: O2 Systems (DLM)
7. 06:39 AM - Re: Post Replies (Linn Walters)
8. 06:41 AM - Re: Post Replies (Tim Olson)
9. 07:04 AM - Re: O2 Systems (Tim Olson)
10. 07:10 AM - Re: Post Replies (Sean Stephens)
11. 07:36 AM - Re: O2 Systems (David Maib)
12. 07:42 AM - Final fitting of the doors (Eric_Kallio)
13. 08:08 AM - Re: 90 Degree Oil Filter Adapter (William Curtis)
14. 08:11 AM - Re: O2 Systems (Robin Marks)
15. 08:21 AM - Re: O2 Systems (Jesse Saint)
16. 08:23 AM - Re: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors (Bruce Johnson)
17. 08:35 AM - Re: O2 Systems (Kelly McMullen)
18. 08:40 AM - Re: Post Replies (Dj Merrill)
19. 08:58 AM - Re: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors (Bruce Johnson)
20. 09:37 AM - Re: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors (Linn Walters)
21. 09:43 AM - Re: O2 Systems (Dave Saylor)
22. 11:13 AM - Re: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors (amekler@metrocast.net)
23. 11:24 AM - Re: O2 Systems (Bob Turner)
24. 11:47 AM - Re: O2 Systems (Tim Olson)
25. 01:26 PM - Re: Post Replies (Kelly McMullen)
26. 01:41 PM - Re: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors (Kelly McMullen)
27. 01:51 PM - Re: Post Replies (woxofswa)
28. 01:51 PM - Re: Post Replies (Dj Merrill)
29. 01:55 PM - Re: O2 Systems (Dave Saylor)
30. 02:19 PM - Copperstate RV10 Nest 2010 (woxofswa)
31. 02:23 PM - Re: O2 Systems (Sean Stephens)
32. 02:23 PM - Re: Post Replies (Kelly McMullen)
33. 02:33 PM - Re: O2 Systems (Tim Olson)
34. 03:12 PM - Re: O2 Systems (Tim Olson)
35. 04:40 PM - Re: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors (n801bh@netzero.com)
36. 05:10 PM - Re: Post Replies (Dj Merrill)
37. 05:19 PM - Re: Copperstate RV10 Nest 2010 (DLM)
38. 05:30 PM - Re: Copperstate RV10 Nest 2010 (Strasnuts)
39. 05:30 PM - Re: Post Replies (Phillip Perry)
40. 05:32 PM - Re: Post Replies (Rene Felker)
41. 05:41 PM - Re: Post Replies (Linn Walters)
42. 05:42 PM - Re: Copperstate RV10 Nest 2010 (Robin Marks)
43. 06:01 PM - Re: Tool question - anyone familiar with Enderes tools? (EFDsteve@aol.com)
44. 06:01 PM - Re: Post Replies (Kelly McMullen)
45. 06:04 PM - Re: Final fitting of the doors (rvdave)
46. 06:09 PM - Re: Post Replies (Seano)
47. 06:21 PM - Re: Post Replies (rv10flyer)
48. 06:23 PM - Re: Post Replies (Robin Marks)
49. 07:05 PM - Re: Post Replies (Linn Walters)
50. 07:38 PM - Re: O2 Systems (Albert Gardner)
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I am considering installing an oxygen system in our RV-10 but would like to
try it first to evaluate the airplanes performance and my wife's comfort l
evel. -Has anyone attempted to rent an O2 system or have any recommendati
ons?
Thanks,
Marcus40286
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| Subject: | Re: Tool question - anyone familiar with Enderes tools? |
I have sold Enderes tools in my hardware store and used them myself for over
30 years. I think that they aare of the best quality. I also have never
had a warranty problem with Enderes.
Good Luck
Dick Martin
RV8 N23M
the fast one
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson <
MauleDriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
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> I have this one long shaft phillips head screwdriver that keeps falling
> into my hands. It seems to be a #1 phillips but actually works better than
> both my #1 and #2 Craftsman drivers.
>
> Probably inherited it from my Dad's shop. It's rusty and looks like hell
> so I'm never drawn to it... until I'm struggling with some screw. I always
> end up with this one in my hand and the problem is solved.
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> I've looked Enderes up on the Web and see they forge tools and blah blah.
> Any tool knowledgeable people out there know anything about Enderes? I
> think I want to try some more.
>
> Bill "assembling some painted parts" Watson
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It makes some difference whether you want to design a built-in system,
or whether a portable system will do the job. Different brands vary by
how the flow is regulated. Many of the portable systems have the needle
valve for fine tuning the flow at the top of the cylinder...which won't
work if the tank is located beyond the reach of front seat passengers.
Built-in systems have connectors...kind of like a miniature of your
compressed air shop setup. Downside is each port can leak, and you need
a shut off valve at the tank that you can remotely operate. Unless you
plan on going high all the time, a portable may be more useful. I am
thinking of locating on the center console between the seats, where I
could reach the valves from front seat. But there are many ways to do
this. I already have the system, using in my current flying airplane.
On 8/30/2010 5:01 AM, MARCUS COOPER wrote:
> I am considering installing an oxygen system in our RV-10 but would
> like to try it first to evaluate the airplanes performance and my
> wife's comfort level. Has anyone attempted to rent an O2 system or
> have any recommendations?
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
> 40286
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If you post a brand new message, be sure it has the exact same title, plus
"Re: " in front of it, so the server properly groups them "by thread" for v
iewing online. Otherwise they will show up as a bunch of individual thread
s and be harder to read that way.
Or go ahead and hit "reply" to the original, but strip away the repeated in
formation and just add your own.
Thanks!
TDT
Tim Dawson-Townsend
RV-10 40025
APRS KB1URG
tdt@aurora.aero<mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
smaller flight
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I would recommend you borrow somebody's portable. But..there is a big
difference between constant flow and pulse demand. I installed a Mountain
High system. A little pricy, but very nice. Living in the west, we use it
on almost every trip. The pulse demand systems use a lot less O2 and do not
dry your nose out as much.
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MARCUS COOPER
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 6:01 AM
Subject: RV10-List: O2 Systems
I am considering installing an oxygen system in our RV-10 but would like to
try it first to evaluate the airplanes performance and my wife's comfort
level. Has anyone attempted to rent an O2 system or have any
recommendations?
Thanks,
Marcus
40286
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less than $200 for a medical O2 bottle and regulator and Aerox or Skyox
clamps
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: O2 Systems
>
> It makes some difference whether you want to design a built-in system, or
> whether a portable system will do the job. Different brands vary by how
> the flow is regulated. Many of the portable systems have the needle valve
> for fine tuning the flow at the top of the cylinder...which won't work if
> the tank is located beyond the reach of front seat passengers. Built-in
> systems have connectors...kind of like a miniature of your compressed air
> shop setup. Downside is each port can leak, and you need a shut off valve
> at the tank that you can remotely operate. Unless you plan on going high
> all the time, a portable may be more useful. I am thinking of locating on
> the center console between the seats, where I could reach the valves from
> front seat. But there are many ways to do this. I already have the
> system, using in my current flying airplane.
>
>
> On 8/30/2010 5:01 AM, MARCUS COOPER wrote:
>> I am considering installing an oxygen system in our RV-10 but would like
>> to try it first to evaluate the airplanes performance and my wife's
>> comfort level. Has anyone attempted to rent an O2 system or have any
>> recommendations?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Marcus
>> 40286
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But please leave enough of the thread so others (like me! ;-) ) know
what the title and thread relates to ..... like this one!!!
Linn
Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote:
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> If you post a brand new message, be sure it has the exact same title,
> plus "Re: " in front of it, so the server properly groups them "by
> thread" for viewing online. Otherwise they will show up as a bunch of
> individual threads and be harder to read that way.
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> Or go ahead and hit "reply" to the original, but strip away the
> repeated information and just add your own.
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> TDT
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You'll want to reply and strip....otherwise the message ID
that you threaded from won't get in there and many
threading mail readers like my Thunderbird may not see it
as a thread.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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On 8/30/2010 8:08 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote:
> Or go ahead and hit reply to the original, but strip away the repeated
> information and just add your own.
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Definitely! I had just the constant flow versions for a while, with
the "conserving cannulas". Those aren't nearly as comfortable, with
the balloon cannulas on them. Then I got the Precise Flight conservers
that save more O2, and have a very nice small cannula. Those are
better on O2, and far more comfortable. And as Rene' mentions,
up from there you have Mountain High's systems, which would be
top of the line. Not sure which cannulas they use but I'm betting
they'd be the small ones. Basically, going from the bottom of the
line to the top either gives you more O2 savings, or more comfort,
or both...so your decisions will be based on how often you need
to use O2, and how long your flights will be, and how handy O2
refills are. For me, I fill at my hangar and my bottle can
generally get me through a trip anywhere and back if I use it
well. I may have to fill at a remote site in extreme cases.
The mountain high user would probably use less O2 than me by
a ways yet and be able to make most trips round trip without
a refill. The least appealing would be to just go with a cheap
system, because it'll be much less comfortable, and the O2
won't last as long and if you have 4 people in the plane, you'll
only be able to use it for hopping mountains or short stretches
over buildups or whatever. In O2, comfort and endurance is
really the key for some people, so spend what you need to get
one that you really like, if you buy.
I know the thread was started with the question of renting.
I don't know that it's practical. Cannulas are kind of an
"infection control" type personal device. So you'd probably
have to buy all new cannulas just to rent a bottle and regulator.
I don't know of places that rent systems. If you're mainly
worried about comfort, maybe buy a cannula that's skinny
and the balloon type and just try them on for a while. Yeah,
the O2 is a little dry but if you can handle the cannula,
the O2 isn't a big deal. Oh, and don't forget to definitely
buy an O2 meter for your finger...you'll want to know the O2
setting is good for you and that's the only real way to tell
exactly.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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On 8/30/2010 8:13 AM, Rene Felker wrote:
> I would recommend you borrow somebodys portable. But.there is a big
> difference between constant flow and pulse demand. I installed a
> Mountain High system. A little pricy, but very nice. Living in the west,
> we use it on almost every trip. The pulse demand systems use a lot less
> O2 and do not dry your nose out as much.
>
> Rene' Felker
>
> N423CF
>
> 801-721-6080
>
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> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *MARCUS COOPER
> *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 6:01 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: O2 Systems
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> I am considering installing an oxygen system in our RV-10 but would like
> to try it first to evaluate the airplanes performance and my wife's
> comfort level. Has anyone attempted to rent an O2 system or have any
> recommendations?
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> Thanks,
> Marcus
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Don't know about renting, but imagine that will not be easy. If I was
doing it again, I would definitely install a top of the line system
in the airplane. We are using a SkyOx portable system that I have
owned for many years. It works fine, but is a bit of a pain to deal
with securing the bottle and dealing with long lines. Built in would
be a must for me at this point. This airplane likes to fly high, so
we use it on most trips.
David Maib
40559
Flying
On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:01 AM, MARCUS COOPER wrote:
I am considering installing an oxygen system in our RV-10 but would
like to try it first to evaluate the airplanes performance and my
wife's comfort level. Has anyone attempted to rent an O2 system or
have any recommendations?
Thanks,
Marcus
40286
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| Subject: | Final fitting of the doors |
I went to do the final fitting of the doors during assembly of the plane and after
the windshield was in. The left door fit just like it did when it was removed
after I made it. The right however is a different story. It seems to have
flattened out a little in the curve which means when closing there is a 3/4" gap
a the door pins between the door outer skin and the fuse. The doors were stored
in the same place, for the same amount of time, and in the same position.
Anyone seen this before or have a suggestion on how to fix it? Heat gun and tie-down
straps haven't worked. It is so bad that even when using the third latch
from Sean at Planearound, the door simply twists and the aft pin won't engage
the pin guides. I REALLY do not feel like remaking a door because it bowed!
Anyone have some experience they can share? Thanks.
Eric Kallio
Trying to get it together so I can go to the hanger.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310646#310646
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| Subject: | Re: 90 Degree Oil Filter Adapter |
I have all the wiring in place for a backup alternator also but it really is
optional in my electrical system and will wait until later to add one if at
all. At OSH this year, plane-power <http://plane-power.com/> had a vacuum
pad mounted 40 amp backup alternator on display. Similar to their primary
units, it will/can be internally regulated. Price for the internally
reglated unit is to be $695.
--
William
N40237 - http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
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> I was dead set on wanting a standby alternator
> originally, but after a while I came to realize
> that with as much backup battery as I put in
> I really don't need one. That is a significant
> savings right there. Then the standard straight
> oil adapter works fine.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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Marcus,
I installed a built in Aerox O2 system not knowing how much use
it would get. After 170 hours of flight I am VERY pleased to have the syste
m
permanently installed in the -10. I find it quite handy and provides peace
of mind and easy access to O2 even on flights where I hadn=92t initially
planned on climbing high enough to need O2. I keep a small plastic box that
contains all my canulas within reach during flight.
My system is basic but with an additional shutoff valve in the center
console. We basically plumbed a main O2 line from the bottles main valve to
a secondary valve in the center console and then plumbed 4 short lines to
the outlets. Because my system does not leak I leave the bottle valve open
all the time and turn on/off the O2 from the secondary valve next to my hip
.
Next to the secondary valve is an O2 level indicator so I always know how
much O2 is remaining in-flight. To fill up the bottle I have a remote
Schrader Valve mounted near the rear bulkhead access door. Removing &
replacing the O2 bottle in my setup for refilling would be a bummer. If I
were to do it again I would consider easier removal / reinstallation in the
design/location but for now I see no need to touch the bottle. I am
fortunate in that the local FBO gives FREE O2 to any customer that buys fue
l
from them! Normally I would feel guilty but not after I review my monthly
fuel charges.
Sorry no photos of the center console.
http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/AeroxO2.aspx
Good luck,
Robin
*From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *MARCUS COOPER
*Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 5:01 AM
*To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* RV10-List: O2 Systems
I am considering installing an oxygen system in our RV-10 but would like to
try it first to evaluate the airplanes performance and my wife's comfort
level. Has anyone attempted to rent an O2 system or have any
recommendations?
Thanks,
Marcus
40286
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I like the portable system because it isxeasily removed for flights where we
ight is more critical than altitude. We have the big steel SkyOx cylinder a
nd strap it to the tunnel cover from the rear seat backs forward. I don't m
ind the skybox canulas, but I imagine different ones could be easily made to
fit on the low pressure side of the regulator. We've never had problems or
complaints.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
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On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:34 AM, David Maib <dmaib@mac.com> wrote:
> Don't know about renting, but imagine that will not be easy. If I was doin
g it again, I would definitely install a top of the line system in the airpl
ane. We are using a SkyOx portable system that I have owned for many years. I
t works fine, but is a bit of a pain to deal with securing the bottle and de
aling with long lines. Built in would be a must for me at this point. This a
irplane likes to fly high, so we use it on most trips.
>
> David Maib
> 40559
> Flying
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| Subject: | Re: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors |
Not harsh, just accurate. Waiting sucks, but I think it beats dying.=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com
>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, August 28, 2010 12:58:04 PM=0A
Subject: Re: RV10-List: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors=0A=0A--> RV10-List mes
sage posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com>=0A=0ASee now there is where it g
ets crazy. You KNOW without a doubt=0Athat there is a problem with the engi
ne, yet you're going=0Ato continue to fly it that way!?!?!=C2- Why?=C2-
Try telling that=0Astory to a few friends, how you know your fuel system
=0Ahas a problem, but you're going to go fly it anyway, and see=0Awhat kind
of reaction they give you.=C2- I understand the urge,=0Abut to actually
KNOW there is a problem, just fix it first.=0AThe flow divider isn't that c
omplicated on the precision=0Asystem.=C2- Like Dave said, there is a deli
cate diaphragm=0Aand a couple other parts, but nothing extreme in there.=C2
- Go=0Asuper slow, take pictures, and have someone there to observe=0Ain
case you drop something so you know how it all came apart,=0Aand you should
be able to investigate it.=C2- On a new airplane,=0Ait's probably someth
ing that was in a hose that made it's=0Away there and is plugging an orific
e.=C2- If you don't want to=0Adisassemble it yourself, that's fine, and a
nyone can respect=0Athat....but calling the engine maker isn't necessarily
the=0Abest path either....you can always call Precision directly.=0AIt's TH
EIR fuel system.=C2- The engine maker will probably have=0Athe answer, bu
t you're certainly not utilizing all the=0Aresources you can to find the is
sue.=C2- Me, I'd probably=0Acall the local A&P and have him come over and
I'd pay him=0Aa little cash to look at it with me.=C2- He probably has
=0Aexperience with them if he's been around a while. He may=0Aeven have a g
ood manual on hand (something that would be=0Anice for you to have too).=C2
- Then you could get it dealt with=0Ain short order.=C2- When it comes
right down to it, you=0Aor someone else is either going to be disassembling
the thing,=0Aor you're going to be shipping it off for repair/replacement,
=0Abut there are only 2 ultimate resolutions.=0A=0AFlying it ROP will just
guarantee that your one cylinder=0Ais going to be running at a different po
wer level and=0Ahave different cylinder pressures and things going on than
=0Ayour other cylinders. You're going to get more=0Acarbon fouling on your
good cylinders, or cause some other=0Athings along the way by continuing to
fly it.=0A=0ASorry to sound harsh, but the last thing we need is someone
=0Aout there flying engines in RV-10's with known defects to=0Anot only hur
t themselves, but hurt the RV-10's reputation=0Aagain.=C2- So far of the
ones that bought it, at least two of=0Athe 3 that we know of that killed pe
ople can be traced=0Ato stupid decisions...and I guess someone has to speak
up=0Awhen they see it happening.=C2- Fuel system issues are one of=0Athe
primary mechanical causes of homebuilt aircraft crashes.=0AStupid decision
s are another major one.=C2- Combine the two=0Aand it just makes me cring
e.=C2- Dan was pretty flippant about=0Athat battery terminal crimp he did
when he moved that=0Abattery.=C2- But, he'd have had to delay that trip
(the one=0Athat he was prepping for that cost him his life) if he'd have=0A
had to wait for the proper tools to crimp the wire.=C2- Looks=0Alike mayb
e waiting that extra day or few might have been=0Aa better choice.=0A=0A=0A
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0AOn 8/28/2010 2:22 PM, Ala
n Mekler wrote:=0A> Dave,=0A>=0A> Mine is a precision silver hawk ex. No ca
ll back from Mattituck. Will=0A> have to wait to Monday. Will have to conti
nue to fly rich of peak this=0A> weekend.=0A>=0A> Alan=0A>=0A> ------------
------------------------------------------------------------=0A>=0A> *From:
* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com=0A> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave Saylor=0A> *Sent:* Saturday, August 28, 2
010 3:02 PM=0A> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com=0A> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List:
TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors=0A>=0A> Before I took the contaminated one ap
art, I called the engine shop to=0A> find out what to expect. That was a Be
ndix flow divider, not an AFP. AFP=0A> might walk someone through a teardow
n. I'd call them before I took one=0A> of their dividers apart, which is wh
at I'd recommend for anyone. After=0A> that it's up to the builder to decid
e if he's capable or not.=0A>=0A> The Bendix divider was pretty simple insi
de. It was a few years ago but=0A> I remember a fairly delicate diaphragm,
a vertical stem that acts as the=0A> valve, and a light spring. Just go slo
w and be careful, and it should go=0A> OK. I actually found the bit of hose
that was causing the problem but it=0A> was pretty obvious, not buried dee
p inside one of the internal passages.=0A> That was pure luck.=0A>=0A> Dave
Saylor=0A> AirCrafters=0A> 140 Aviation Way=0A> Watsonville, CA 95076=0A>
831-722-9141 Shop=0A> 831-750-0284 Cell=0A>=0A> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:
16 AM, John Cox <johnwcox@pacificnw.com=0A> <mailto:johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
> wrote:=0A>=0A> Dave, you say you changed it. That is what I did with an A
irflow=0A> Performance divider. They were fast and it was piece of mind ins
urance.=0A> the aircraft ran fine afterwards. Do you support, OBAM builders
opening=0A> up their flow dividers.=0A>=0A> John Cox=0A>=0A> -------------
-----------------------------------------------------------=0A>=0A> *From:*
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com=0A> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ma
tronics.com> on behalf of Dave Saylor=0A> *Sent:* Thu 8/26/2010 9:32 PM=0A>
*To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>=0A> *Subjec
t:* Re: RV10-List: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors=0A>=0A> I've seen two flow
divider failures in the last 5 years. One had a=0A> little speck of hose li
ner (from a certified hose shop) jammed in the=0A> stem. The engine would b
arely run.=0A>=0A> The other was discovered looking for excessive roughness
LOP. We changed=0A> just about everything we could think of, and finally c
hanged the flow=0A> divider just to be thorough. That fixed the problem, bu
t we never did=0A> figure out why.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> Dave Saylor=0A> AirCraft
ers=0A> 140 Aviation Way=0A> Watsonville, CA 95076=0A> 831-722-9141 Shop=0A
> 831-750-0284 Cell=0A>=0A> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Alan Mekler <a
mekler@metrocast.net=0A> <mailto:amekler@metrocast.net>> wrote:=0A>=0A> Kel
ly,=0A>=0A> My engine has had the AD done but we did find an interesting fi
nding. We=0A> did the bottle test with the injectors on and we saw less fue
l coming=0A> out #5 even though it had the richest injector. So now we know
the=0A> problem must be in the flow divider. Not sure what the next step w
ill=0A> be. Will try calling Precision tomorrow.=0A>=0A> Alan=0A>=0A> -----
-------------------------------------------------------------------=0A>=0A>
*From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com=0A> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-s
erver@matronics.com>=0A> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com=0A> <
mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>] *On Behalf Of *Kelly McMullen
=0A> *Sent:* Sunday, August 22, 2010 8:07 PM=0A> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.
com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>=0A> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: TMXIO-54
0 and GAMI injectors=0A>=0A> It is actually an AD on the fuel injection ser
vos to check the security=0A> of the plug on the side. Some have been found
loose and hanging by the=0A> safety wire.=0A> AD 2008-08-14=0A> SUMMARY: T
his document publishes in the Federal Register an amendment=0A> adopting em
ergency=0A> airworthiness directive (AD) 2008-06-51 that was sent previousl
y to all=0A> known U.S. owners and=0A> operators of Lycoming Engines IO, (L
)IO, TIO, (L)TIO, AEIO, AIO, IGO,=0A> IVO, and HIO series=0A> reciprocating
engines, TCM TSIO-360-RB reciprocating engines, and=0A> Superior Air Parts
, Inc. IO-360=0A> series reciprocating engines with certain Precision Airmo
tive LLC RSA-5=0A> and RSA-10 series fuel=0A> injection servos. This AD res
ults from eighteen reports of fuel=0A> injection servo plugs, part number
=0A> (P/N) 383493, that had loosened or completely backed out of the thread
ed=0A> plug hole on the regulator=0A> cover of the fuel injection servo. Th
ese servo plugs were installed with=0A> servo plug gasket, P/N=0A> 365533,
under the plug hex-head. We are issuing this AD to prevent a=0A> lean runni
ng engine, which=0A> could result in a substantial loss of engine power and
subsequent loss=0A> of control of the airplane=0A>=0A> (f) Inspect the fue
l injection servo plug, P/N 383493, for looseness, by=0A> attempting to tur
n it by=0A> hand, while being careful not to damage the safety wire or seal
. If the=0A> plug moves, it is loose.=0A> (g) If the plug is not loose, go
to paragraph (i) of this AD.=0A> (h) If the plug is loose, do the following
:=0A> (1) Carefully cut and remove the safety wire that spans between the
=0A> servo plug and regulator=0A> cover only.=0A> (2) Remove the servo plug
while ensuring that the gasket, P/N 365533,=0A> that is behind the plug, i
s=0A> not lost. The gasket may be slightly stuck to the regulator cover.=0A
> (3) Examine the threads on the servo plug and regulator cover for=0A> dam
age. Threads should be=0A> smooth and consistent, with no burrs or chips. T
he servo plug outer=0A> diameter threads should also=0A> measure within 0.7
419-0.7500-inch.=0A> (4) If the threads on either the servo plug or the reg
ulator cover are=0A> damaged, or do not measure=0A> within the limits in pa
ragraph (h)(3) of this AD, the servo is not=0A> eligible for any installati
on and must=0A> be replaced before further flight.=0A> (5) Inspect the gask
et, P/N 365533, for tears and other damage. We are=0A> allowing the re-use
of=0A> undamaged gaskets. Replace damaged gaskets with a new gasket, P/N 36
5533.=0A> (6) When reassembling, do not install any servo plug or regulator
cover=0A> that is not eligible for=0A> installation. Install the gasket on
to the servo plug and reassemble the=0A> servo plug to the regulator=0A> co
ver.=0A> (7) Torque the servo plug to a new, higher torque of 90-100 in-lbs
, to=0A> help maintain the proper=0A> clamp-up force against the plug and c
over.=0A> (8) Safety wire the servo plug with 0.025-inch diameter wire to t
he=0A> regulator cover. Information=0A> on properly safety wiring the plug
can be found in Precision Airmotive=0A> LLC Mandatory Service=0A> Bulletin
No. PRS-107, Revision 1, dated March 6, 2008.=0A> (9) Inspect all other saf
ety wire on the servo. Replace any that are=0A> damaged.=0A>=0A>=0A> On 8/2
2/2010 4:32 PM, Alan Mekler wrote:=0A>=0A> Patrick,=0A>=0A> Which SB are yo
u referring to?=0A>=0A> Alan=0A>=0A> --------------------------------------
----------------------------------=0A>=0A> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com=0A> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>=0A> [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Thyssen=0A> *S
ent:* Sunday, August 22, 2010 7:24 PM=0A> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <ma
ilto:rv10-list@matronics.com>=0A> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: TMXIO-540 and G
AMI injectors=0A>=0A> That's why you need to know the probes are OK. They m
ay be giving you a=0A> wrong signal. The coke bottle test is, undo your inj
ector lines from the=0A> injectors, put the same size glass bottle under th
em and turn on your=0A> boost pump, fill bottle about 3/4 and see if the sa
me amount of fuel is=0A> in all the glass bottles. Normally you do it with
your injectors on but=0A> since you have different injectors it won't work
that way.=0A> Just my way of checking.=0A> Patrick Thyssen=0A> Have you don
e the SB on the throttle body. The gasket and G on plug. I=0A> just checked
another RV10 and he had not done it and it was loose.=0A>=0A>=0A> --- On *
Sun, 8/22/10, Alan Mekler /<amekler@metrocast.net>=0A> <mailto:amekler@metr
ocast.net>/* wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A> From: Alan Mekler <amekler@metrocast.net> <
mailto:amekler@metrocast.net>=0A> Subject: RE: RV10-List: TMXIO-540 and GAM
I injectors=0A> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com
>=0A> Date: Sunday, August 22, 2010, 6:00 PM=0A>=0A> Patrick,=0A>=0A> Give
me the details of the coke bottle test. I=99m going to try switching
=0A> probes.=0A>=0A> The odd thing is the engine runs smooth.=0A>=0A> Alan
=0A>=0A> ------------------------------------------------------------------
------=0A>=0A> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com=0A> <mailto:own
er-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>=0A> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matro
nics.com] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Thyssen=0A> *Sent:* Sunday, August 22, 201
0 5:53 PM=0A> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com
>=0A> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors=0A>=0A> HAVE Y
OU DONE THE COKE BOTTLE TEST WITHOUT THE INJECTORS. SINCE EACH=0A> INJECTOR
WILL BE DIFFERENT NOW. HAVE YOU LOOKED AT YOUR PROBES? Maybe=0A> swap a fe
w probes and see what you get.=0A> Patrick Thyssen=0A>=0A> --- On *Sun, 8/2
2/10, Kelly McMullen /<kellym@aviating.com>=0A> <mailto:kellym@aviating.com
>/* wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A> From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> <mailto:k
ellym@aviating.com>=0A> Subject: Re: RV10-List: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injector
s=0A> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>=0A> Date
Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>=0A> <mailto:kellym@aviating.com>=0A>
=0A>=0A> About the only thing left is your dry tappet clearances. Your engi
ne=0A> builder should be able to give you what those clearances are. Ideall
y=0A> the clearances are in the middle of the allowable range and similar f
or=0A> each=0A>cylinder....................................................
.............................=0A>.=0A>=0A> Alternatively you could measure
the amount of movement of each rocker=0A> arm. Intakes should be the same a
nd exhausts the same. Has anyone looked=0A> inside your sump/intake manifol
d to ensure there is no obstruction, nor=0A> anything loose in there? Somet
hing is wrong if your #3&4 peak last with=0A> the leanest nozzles and #5 pe
aks first with the richest nozzle.=0A> Still not understanding how the engi
ne could be running smoothly with=0A> that wide a difference in mixtures be
tween cylinders.=0A>=0A> On 8/22/2010 7:40 AM, Alan Mekler wrote:=0A>>=C2
=0A> <mailto:amekler@metrocast.net>=0A>>=0A>>=C2- Kelly,=0A>>=C2- I jus
t looked at my injectors cylinder 3 and 4 have the leanest=0A>>=C2- injec
tors(GAMI A) while cylinder 5 has the richest injector (Gami J plus)=0A>>
=C2- Alan=0A>>=0A>>=C2- -----Original Message-----=0A>>=C2- From: own
er-rv10-list-server@matronics.com=0A> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matron
ics.com>=0A>>=C2- [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
Of Kelly McMullen=0A>>=C2- Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 8:13 PM=0A>>
=C2- To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>=0A>>=C2
- Subject: Re: RV10-List: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors=0A>>=0A>>=C2- --
lto:kellym@aviating.com>=0A>>=0A>>=C2- Perhaps you are working on the wro
ng end of the problem. #3&4 are=0A>>=C2- peaking last, so must be too ric
h. The rest of the cylinders are peaking=0A>>=C2- within 0.4gph of #5. Yo
u also will need to gather measurements every 0.2=0A>>=C2- gph to better
detect the peaks once you get those two cylinders closer=0A>>=C2- to the
rest.=0A>>=0A>>=C2- On 8/21/2010 3:59 PM, Alan Mekler wrote:=0A>> > Patri
ck,=0A>> >=0A>> > Before switching to the GAMIs my cylinder #5 peaked at 2.
5 gallons l=0A>> > than my richest cylinder #3. After changing to GAMIs (my
3^rd set) I'm=0A>> > down to a 1 gallon spread. GAMI has given me the rich
est injector they=0A>> > make for cylinder # 5 but it still peaks early.=0A
>> >=0A>> > Here is my latest flight data flying at 7000 MSL 22 inches/ 240
0 rpm.=0A>> >=0A>> > Alan=0A>> >=0A>> > 13 12.5 12.1 11.7 11.3 11.0 10.5 10
.3 Fuel flow gal/hr=0A>> >=0A>> > 1420 1438 1468 1474 1453 1438 1422 1403 c
ylinder #1=0A>> >=0A>> > 1381 1398 1428 1452 1447 1437 1412 1373 cylinder #
2=0A>> >=0A>> > 1393 1409 1438 1456 1473 1468 1448 1414 cylinder #3=0A>> >
=0A>> > 1400 1417 1449 1468 1477 1470 1450 1414 cylinder #4=0A>> >=0A>> > 1
434 1467 1469 1443 1415 1411 1400 1435 cylinder # 5=0A>> >=0A>> > 1410 1430
1463 1474 1458 1441 1420 1397 cylinder #6=0A>> >=0A>> > other method=0A>>
>=0A>> > cylinder #1 1472 peak @ 11.5=0A>> >=0A>> > cylinder #2 1451 peak@
11.2=0A>> >=0A>> > cylinder #3 1472 peak @ 11.1=0A>> >=0A>> > cylinder#4 14
77 peak @ 11.2=0A>> >=0A>> > cylinder #5 1473 peak @ 12.1=0A>> >=0A>> > cyl
inder #6 1474 peak @ 11.5=0A>> >=0A>> > -----------------------------------
-------------------------------------=0A>> >=0A>> > *From:* owner-rv10-list
-server@matronics.com=0A> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>=0A>
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Patrick=0A
>> > Thyssen=0A>> > *Sent:* Saturday, August 21, 2010 5:22 PM=0A>> > *To:*
rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>=0A>> > *Subject:*
Re: RV10-List: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors=0A>> >=0A>> > ? Have you done t
he coke bottle check? Has anyone messed with the=0A>> > lines from the spid
er to injectors? Are we sure the lines are the=0A>> > right ones? The other
thing have you had any problems with your EGT=0A>> > system. Could your EG
T probes be bad?=0A>> > Peaking or not peaking where they should?=0A>> > Ju
st a few thoughts=0A>> > Patrick Thyssen=0A>> >=0A>> > --- On *Sat, 8/21/10
, Alan Mekler /<amekler@metrocast.net>=0A> <mailto:amekler@metrocast.net>/*
wrote:=0A>> >=0A>> >=0A>> > From: Alan Mekler<amekler@metrocast.net> <mail
to:amekler@metrocast.net>=0A>> > Subject: RV10-List: TMXIO-540 and GAMI inj
ectors=0A>> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
=0A>> > Date: Saturday, August 21, 2010, 11:04 AM=0A>> >=0A>> > I have been
trying the GAMI injectors( on the 4^th set now) but found=0A>> > the fuel
flow on the cylinders varies widely. My cylinder #5 has the=0A>> > richest
injector and it still peaks a gallon or more before the other=0A>> > cylind
ers Before gamis it was 2.5 gallons.. Has any one had this=0A>> > problem?
Any solutions?=0A>> >=0A>> > GAMI does not why the fuel is so unbalanced in
this engine. I have 95=0A>> > hours on the engine and all compressions are
good. No intake leaks.=0A>> >=0A>> > Alan=0A>> >=0A>> > N668G=0A>> >=0A>>
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Unless you are using a LOT of O2, the cost of oxygen is relatively
minor. If you do use a lot, getting your own refill setup and a rental
large bottle begins to make sense. Don't forget that whatever you get
needs to be able to come out every 5 yrs for hydrotesting.
On 8/30/2010 8:16 AM, Jesse Saint wrote:
> I like the portable system because it isxeasily removed for flights
> where weight is more critical than altitude. We have the big steel
> SkyOx cylinder and strap it to the tunnel cover from the rear seat
> backs forward. I don't mind the skybox canulas, but I imagine
> different ones could be easily made to fit on the low pressure side of
> the regulator. We've never had problems or complaints.
>
> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse@itecusa.org <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
> www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>
> www.mavericklsa.com <http://www.mavericklsa.com>
> C: 352-427-0285
> O: 352-465-4545
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:34 AM, David Maib <dmaib@mac.com
> <mailto:dmaib@mac.com>> wrote:
>
>> Don't know about renting, but imagine that will not be easy. If I was
>> doing it again, I would definitely install a top of the line system
>> in the airplane. We are using a SkyOx portable system that I have
>> owned for many years. It works fine, but is a bit of a pain to deal
>> with securing the bottle and dealing with long lines. Built in would
>> be a must for me at this point. This airplane likes to fly high, so
>> we use it on most trips.
>>
>> David Maib
>> 40559
>> Flying
>> **
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On 08/30/2010 09:36 AM, Linn Walters wrote:
> But please leave enough of the thread so others (like me! ;-) ) know
> what the title and thread relates to ..... like this one!!!
It would also be great if everyone would post BELOW the quoted text, to
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THANKS!
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| Subject: | Re: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors |
OK, after all-the discussion on EGT temps I can chime in as I took my 10
up for =0Aits maiden voyage Sat. Most of the temps were close except 2 that
were 100 =0Adegrees above the rest. If all the probes are equally spaced b
elow the manifold =0A'Appox 2 inches" What-else might sway the readings.
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| Subject: | Re: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors |
Bruce Johnson wrote:
> OK, after all the discussion on EGT temps I can chime in as I took my
> 10 up for its maiden voyage Sat. Most of the temps were close except 2
> that were 100 degrees above the rest. If all the probes are equally
> spaced below the manifold 'Appox 2 inches" What-else might sway the
> readings.
The hole in the injector and how well it was made?
Linn
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I bought a portable Aerox system and built it into the console between the
seats. An E bottle fits perfectly on the tunnel.
The main valve sticks out of the console in the front, and we made a little
window so you can see the existing gauge.
The portable system has 4 quick disconnect fittings in the regulator. I
plumbed on to the front seats and one to the back seats, then split each one
from there. Aerox said splitting the flow would probably work but that they
hadn't tested it--I have, and it works fine.
I bought a mixture of their fittings and quick-disconnects from McMaster for
the low pressure plumbing.
The console is secured with piano hinge so it comes out pretty easily, which
is how we origially filled the bottle. But we use it so often now that I
ended up putting a filler hose on it that just stows in the console.
After leaving the main valve on a couple times and wasting several fills, I
put closing the valve on the checklist.
We use the Oxysaver cannulas from Aerox. Tim, I looked at Precise Flight
"Oxymizer" cannulas and they look very similar if not identical to ours. Do
you know if there's a difference? The cannula aren't the most comfortable
thing in the world, and the kids hate 'em, but they really conserve the O2.
Finally, not to start a primer war, but we use welding oxygen--as suggested
by Aerox.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 5:01 AM, MARCUS COOPER <coop85@verizon.net> wrote:
> I am considering installing an oxygen system in our RV-10 but would like to
> try it first to evaluate the airplanes performance and my wife's comfort
> level. Has anyone attempted to rent an O2 system or have any
> recommendations?
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
> 40286
>
> do not archive
>
> *
>
> _*
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors |
Called Mattituck today. Will send out the fuel divider tomorrow.
TBC.
Alan
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FBO's/clubs that I know of that rent, rent only masks (because they can be easily
cleaned with alcohol). As the posts suggests, nasal cannulas are far superior,
I would never recommend a mask anymore.
We use the "conserving" cannulas with the little bulb under the nose; I find it
so comfortable that I often don't bother removing it on descent; I wait until
after landing.
And pulse oxymeters have come down in price, it is very useful to get one. Interesting
to watch it in flight; deep breaths are much more effective than shallow
ones, in getting your O2 level up, at least for me.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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Hi Dave,
I think they all just buy the same cannulas, but the
difference is between the various types.
Here are the ones I use with my precise flight demand
conservers:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/20090422/RV20090411144929.jpg
Here are the ones that came with the system before the demand conservers:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/20060605/P200606020005.jpg
You can see it's a pretty big difference in overall size. Neither
is what I'd call awfully uncomfortable, but the smaller ones
are definitely nicer.
And I'm right with you on the Welding Oxygen. I have a
fill station in my hangar. I've been going to the same
place for diving/welding/flying gasses now since about
1992 or so, and they fill all bottles of O2 off the
same tap. The differences are in labeling and
fill procedures, but the gas is the same for all.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 8/30/2010 11:38 AM, Dave Saylor wrote:
> I bought a portable Aerox system and built it into the console between
> the seats. An E bottle fits perfectly on the tunnel.
>
> The main valve sticks out of the console in the front, and we made a
> little window so you can see the existing gauge.
>
> The portable system has 4 quick disconnect fittings in the regulator. I
> plumbed on to the front seats and one to the back seats, then split each
> one from there. Aerox said splitting the flow would probably work but
> that they hadn't tested it--I have, and it works fine.
>
> I bought a mixture of their fittings and quick-disconnects from McMaster
> for the low pressure plumbing.
>
> The console is secured with piano hinge so it comes out pretty easily,
> which is how we origially filled the bottle. But we use it so often now
> that I ended up putting a filler hose on it that just stows in the console.
>
> After leaving the main valve on a couple times and wasting several
> fills, I put closing the valve on the checklist.
>
> We use the Oxysaver cannulas from Aerox. Tim, I looked at Precise
> Flight "Oxymizer" cannulas and they look very similar if not identical
> to ours. Do you know if there's a difference? The cannula aren't the
> most comfortable thing in the world, and the kids hate 'em, but they
> really conserve the O2.
>
> Finally, not to start a primer war, but we use welding oxygen--as
> suggested by Aerox.
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 5:01 AM, MARCUS COOPER <coop85@verizon.net
> <mailto:coop85@verizon.net>> wrote:
>
> I am considering installing an oxygen system in our RV-10 but would
> like to try it first to evaluate the airplanes performance and my
> wife's comfort level. Has anyone attempted to rent an O2 system or
> have any recommendations?
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
> 40286
>
> do not archive
>
> *
>
> _*
>
> *
>
>
> *
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Not to start any disagreement, but top posting is by far the preferred
method on most listservs.
On 8/30/2010 8:39 AM, Dj Merrill wrote:
> - It would also be great if everyone would post BELOW the quoted text, to
> help maintain the context and keep text in the natural order of reading.
>
> THANKS!
>
> -Dj
>
> _
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| Subject: | Re: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors |
Well, as we saw, it can be any number of things, from differences in
injectors, the flow distributor, intake leaks, etc. You would like them
to be within 100, but they are unlikely to ever be the same. Unless the
engine builder did very careful flow matching between cylinders, even
just the differences in cylinder intake and exhaust can affect the outcome.
On 8/30/2010 9:32 AM, Linn Walters wrote:
> Bruce Johnson wrote:
>> OK, after all the discussion on EGT temps I can chime in as I took my
>> 10 up for its maiden voyage Sat. Most of the temps were close except
>> 2 that were 100 degrees above the rest. If all the probes are equally
>> spaced below the manifold 'Appox 2 inches" What-else might sway the
>> readings.
> The hole in the injector and how well it was made?
> Linn
> do not archive
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>
>
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When I hit reply it doesn't attach all the other stuff so there must be an option
for that.
I prefer a single thread on topic rather than multiple threads with the same title.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in progress
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On 08/30/2010 04:19 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> Not to start any disagreement, but top posting is by far the preferred
> method on most listservs.
Published Internet Etiquette (RFC 1855) is to trim the message you are
replying to just the part that is relevant, and then place your text
immediately following that text.
I would like to strongly encourage everyone to be polite Internet
Citizens and follow the published rules if possible.
Asking people to place their reply after the relevant text also tends
to encourage them to trim out the extra part of the message that is not
needed. Posting at the top encourages them to simply type their reply,
and they basically "forget" the entire rest of the message, which is how
we end up with really long, messy, and often unintelligible messages.
Here is the published RFC 1855 Netiquette Guidelines for anyone
interested in reading more:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855
From Page 8 of the Guideline, here is a relevant snippet:
If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you
summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just
enough text of the original to give a context. This will make
sure readers understand when they start to read your response.
-Dj
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OK, I thought it was something similar to the Oxysavers but that's
completely different. Do you know how it works to conserve the O2? I'd
love to get away from those feed bags.
Plus we'd all be so much more photogenic ;-)
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> I think they all just buy the same cannulas, but the
> difference is between the various types.
>
> Here are the ones I use with my precise flight demand
> conservers:
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/20090422/RV20090411144929.jpg
>
> Here are the ones that came with the system before the demand conservers:
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/20060605/P200606020005.jpg
>
> You can see it's a pretty big difference in overall size. Neither
> is what I'd call awfully uncomfortable, but the smaller ones
> are definitely nicer.
>
> And I'm right with you on the Welding Oxygen. I have a
> fill station in my hangar. I've been going to the same
> place for diving/welding/flying gasses now since about
> 1992 or so, and they fill all bottles of O2 off the
> same tap. The differences are in labeling and
> fill procedures, but the gas is the same for all.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 8/30/2010 11:38 AM, Dave Saylor wrote:
>
>> I bought a portable Aerox system and built it into the console between
>> the seats. An E bottle fits perfectly on the tunnel.
>>
>> The main valve sticks out of the console in the front, and we made a
>> little window so you can see the existing gauge.
>>
>> The portable system has 4 quick disconnect fittings in the regulator. I
>> plumbed on to the front seats and one to the back seats, then split each
>> one from there. Aerox said splitting the flow would probably work but
>> that they hadn't tested it--I have, and it works fine.
>>
>> I bought a mixture of their fittings and quick-disconnects from McMaster
>> for the low pressure plumbing.
>>
>> The console is secured with piano hinge so it comes out pretty easily,
>> which is how we origially filled the bottle. But we use it so often now
>> that I ended up putting a filler hose on it that just stows in the
>> console.
>>
>> After leaving the main valve on a couple times and wasting several
>> fills, I put closing the valve on the checklist.
>>
>> We use the Oxysaver cannulas from Aerox. Tim, I looked at Precise
>> Flight "Oxymizer" cannulas and they look very similar if not identical
>> to ours. Do you know if there's a difference? The cannula aren't the
>> most comfortable thing in the world, and the kids hate 'em, but they
>> really conserve the O2.
>>
>> Finally, not to start a primer war, but we use welding oxygen--as
>> suggested by Aerox.
>>
>> Dave Saylor
>> AirCrafters
>> 140 Aviation Way
>> Watsonville, CA 95076
>> 831-722-9141 Shop
>> 831-750-0284 Cell
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 5:01 AM, MARCUS COOPER <coop85@verizon.net
>> <mailto:coop85@verizon.net>> wrote:
>>
>> I am considering installing an oxygen system in our RV-10 but would
>> like to try it first to evaluate the airplanes performance and my
>> wife's comfort level. Has anyone attempted to rent an O2 system or
>> have any recommendations?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Marcus
>> 40286
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> *
>>
>> _*
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Copperstate RV10 Nest 2010 |
Planning is underway for the Third (and last) Annual Copperstate RV10 Nest and
barbeque.
I hope to have the nest set up for the entire three days for peeps to have a shady
place to crash and hang out.
The luncheon will be noonish on Saturday the 23rd and last until we can't stand
it anymore.
Evie is promising better food this year. (She hated the store bought tortillas
last year and plans fresh cooked on the spot this year.) I told her that she
still has to do the chocolate covered treats for Robin.
As always we have to walk a fine line with not competing with the paid concessionaires.
However, we left enough goodies with the campground hosts over the last
couple of years that they have come to know and expect us. The usual carne
asada, salad, dessert, soft drinks and water will be available for voluntary
and discretionary donation. Adult beverages must be BYOB.
I will have as many seats and tables as I can scrounge, but more folding chairs
are always welcome.
I still have a Canon digital camera that was left last year and will bring it this
year unless someone claims it beforehand.
Myron
602 421 2868
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in progress
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Tim, curious as to where you stow/place the little green demand
conserver cylinder. Do you need access to it during flight? The
picture looks like it has a dial on it.
-Sean #40303 (Fuse side skins) (and top-posting cause I like time lapse
to be in reverse :) )
On 8/30/10 1:45 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> I think they all just buy the same cannulas, but the
> difference is between the various types.
>
> Here are the ones I use with my precise flight demand
> conservers:
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/20090422/RV20090411144929.jpg
>
> Here are the ones that came with the system before the demand conservers:
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/20060605/P200606020005.jpg
>
> You can see it's a pretty big difference in overall size. Neither
> is what I'd call awfully uncomfortable, but the smaller ones
> are definitely nicer.
>
> And I'm right with you on the Welding Oxygen. I have a
> fill station in my hangar. I've been going to the same
> place for diving/welding/flying gasses now since about
> 1992 or so, and they fill all bottles of O2 off the
> same tap. The differences are in labeling and
> fill procedures, but the gas is the same for all.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
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Given your document reference is 15 years old, and that all the major
email software programs(Microsoft, etc) by default use top posting,
not to mention it is far easier to read with preview panes, where you
don't have to look at the quote unless you want to, I'd say it is open
for debate, and is settled as which primer to use. ;-)
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net> wrote:
>
> On 08/30/2010 04:19 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>>
>> Not to start any disagreement, but top posting is by far the preferred
>> method on most listservs.
>
>
> Published Internet Etiquette (RFC 1855) is to trim the message you are
> replying to just the part that is relevant, and then place your text
> immediately following that text.
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Improperly top posted... ;) (sorry Dj) :)
Yes, these cannulas work with the demand conservers from
Precise Flight. They have 2 tubes, one I think is a
flow tube and one is a sense tube that senses your inhalation.
The way it works is a one-way inline valve is forced closed
by your exhalation, and opened by the inhalation. I think
that might be all on one tube that it's sensed, but
I'm not sure, I'd have to look. The other tube is just
for flowing the gas. The conserver I have a picture
of here:
http://www.myrv10.com/tips/accessories/oxygen/index.html
I think it could be attached to anybody's O2 system.
It's supposed to save 3x-5x the gas over the standard
conserving balloon cannulas I think. The mountain high
stuff conserves even more. But these are an all
mechanical device. You set the altitude on a bezel on
the bottom of the device, or you can set it to constant
flow if you wish. That sets the flow rate you deliver.
Otherwise, the unit just senses your breathing (you
need to breathe through your nose, but that's the only
way you SHOULD breathe using cannulas), and flows only
when you're breathing. That's why it's more conserving.
The bag ones are just filling the little balloons
in between inhale and exhale...which works fine much
of the time but sometimes you'll use more than others, and
the bag may overfill or underfill. It's not a horrible
system, just not set up to flow on demand. The one I
have uses no batteries or electrics to flow it, which
is nice. For a portable system, it's pretty good. Costs
less than Mountain High, but much more than the cheap
systems with simple flowmeters. I think it's about $300-ish
per seat for the demand conservers. But, considering
the nice small cannulas and the conserving O2, I figured
I'd do it. No, it won't probably pay for itself for a
long time, but the feel and stuff has a value, as does
the extra endurance. But for the big spender, you probably
can't beat Mountain High.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 8/30/2010 3:54 PM, Dave Saylor wrote:
> OK, I thought it was something similar to the Oxysavers but that's
> completely different. Do you know how it works to conserve the O2? I'd
> love to get away from those feed bags.
>
> Plus we'd all be so much more photogenic ;-)
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
>
>
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I have little zip bags...I got them from the Lasik place I went
to a few years ago...kind of like mini soft-side lunch boxes,
that I roll up the conserver and cannula and store in.
When we think we'll use O2, I put them by each seat.
Then in flight we open it up, plug into the bottle,
and set the demand thing by us...Andrea's and mine go
on the tunnel between us. From there, I run the cannula
hose up over the seat belt hanger and down to my head.
Keeps the hose coming at us from above. You do need
access to them in flight to set the altitude. Would be
cool to do a more permanent mount but there isn't a really
great way for that. But it works well for a portable unit.
If I were doing fixed mount, I'd just buy a Mountain High
system...if you're hard plumbing it that would be the real
nice way to go.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 8/30/2010 4:21 PM, Sean Stephens wrote:
>
> Tim, curious as to where you stow/place the little green demand
> conserver cylinder. Do you need access to it during flight? The picture
> looks like it has a dial on it.
>
> -Sean #40303 (Fuse side skins) (and top-posting cause I like time lapse
> to be in reverse :) )
>
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| Subject: | Re: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors |
I guess it goes without saying,, but. Congrats on the first flight...
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Bruce Johnson <bruce1hwjohnson@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors
OK, after all the discussion on EGT temps I can chime in as I took my 10
up for its maiden voyage Sat. Most of the temps were close except 2 tha
t were 100 degrees above the rest. If all the probes are equally spaced
below the manifold 'Appox 2 inches" What-else might sway the readings.
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>
Sent:
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On 8/30/2010 5:21 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> Given your document reference is 15 years old, and that all the major
> email software programs(Microsoft, etc) by default use top posting,
> not to mention it is far easier to read with preview panes, where you
> don't have to look at the quote unless you want to, I'd say it is open
> for debate, and is settled as which primer to use. ;-)
The road rules for the US were established far longer than 15 years
ago. Instead of everyone driving on the right side of the road, should
each of us just arbitrarily pick the left or right side of the road on a
whim?
English grammar was also established more than 15 years ago. If you
are reading a page in a novel written in English, do you read it from
the top of the page down, or do you read it from the bottom of the page
up? Should we arbitrarily have some pages on a novel read top down, and
others bottom up?
US road rules were made so we could at least make an attempt at being
polite drivers and to minimize chaos on the roads. RFC 1855 was written
to offer guidelines on how to be a polite Internet Citizen to help
minimize chaos and increase understanding. English grammar is an
attempt to offer rules and guidelines so that we can understand the
written message based around a common framework.
Top posting is in violation of both the Netiquette Guidelines AND
English grammar. Why propagate a behaviour that is in clear opposition
to the way that we read and understand the English language and also
published Internet Guidelines?
-Dj
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Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
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| Subject: | Re: Copperstate RV10 Nest 2010 |
I will be there.
----- Original Message -----
From: "woxofswa" <woxof@aol.com>
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 2:19 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Copperstate RV10 Nest 2010
>
> Planning is underway for the Third (and last) Annual Copperstate RV10 Nest
> and barbeque.
>
> I hope to have the nest set up for the entire three days for peeps to have
> a shady place to crash and hang out.
>
> The luncheon will be noonish on Saturday the 23rd and last until we can't
> stand it anymore.
>
> Evie is promising better food this year. (She hated the store bought
> tortillas last year and plans fresh cooked on the spot this year.) I told
> her that she still has to do the chocolate covered treats for Robin.
>
> As always we have to walk a fine line with not competing with the paid
> concessionaires. However, we left enough goodies with the campground
> hosts over the last couple of years that they have come to know and expect
> us. The usual carne asada, salad, dessert, soft drinks and water will be
> available for voluntary and discretionary donation. Adult beverages must
> be BYOB.
>
> I will have as many seats and tables as I can scrounge, but more folding
> chairs are always welcome.
>
> I still have a Canon digital camera that was left last year and will bring
> it this year unless someone claims it beforehand.
>
> Myron
> 602 421 2868
>
> --------
> Myron Nelson
> Mesa, AZ
> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in progress
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310716#310716
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Copperstate RV10 Nest 2010 |
If my plane was done I would love to come, however, I wouldn't want to "crash"
in the shaded area.
--------
Cust. #40936
RV-10 SB Fuselage
N801VR reserved
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I think I'm just going to hit reply and let the pieces fall where ever they
land.
On Aug 30, 2010 7:19 PM, "Dj Merrill" <deej@deej.net> wrote:
>
> On 8/30/2010 5:21 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>>
>> Given your document reference is 15 years old, and that all the major
>> email software programs(Microsoft, etc) by default use top posting,
>> not to mention it is far easier to read with preview panes, where you
>> don't have to look at the quote unless you want to, I'd say it is open
>> for debate, and is settled as which primer to use. ;-)
>
>
> The road rules for the US were established far longer than 15 years
> ago. Instead of everyone driving on the right side of the road, should
> each of us just arbitrarily pick the left or right side of the road on a
> whim?
>
> English grammar was also established more than 15 years ago. If you
> are reading a page in a novel written in English, do you read it from
> the top of the page down, or do you read it from the bottom of the page
> up? Should we arbitrarily have some pages on a novel read top down, and
> others bottom up?
>
> US road rules were made so we could at least make an attempt at being
> polite drivers and to minimize chaos on the roads. RFC 1855 was written
> to offer guidelines on how to be a polite Internet Citizen to help
> minimize chaos and increase understanding. English grammar is an
> attempt to offer rules and guidelines so that we can understand the
> written message based around a common framework.
>
> Top posting is in violation of both the Netiquette Guidelines AND
> English grammar. Why propagate a behaviour that is in clear opposition
> to the way that we read and understand the English language and also
> published Internet Guidelines?
>
> -Dj
>
> --
> Dj Merrill - N1JOV
> Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
> Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/
> Join us on the New England Aviation Forums - http://forum.deej.net/
>
>
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I think I want to discuss primer.
Do Not Archive
But, I do prefer answers on top.........
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj Merrill
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Post Replies
On 8/30/2010 5:21 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> Given your document reference is 15 years old, and that all the major
> email software programs(Microsoft, etc) by default use top posting,
> not to mention it is far easier to read with preview panes, where you
> don't have to look at the quote unless you want to, I'd say it is open
> for debate, and is settled as which primer to use. ;-)
The road rules for the US were established far longer than 15 years
ago. Instead of everyone driving on the right side of the road, should
each of us just arbitrarily pick the left or right side of the road on a
whim?
English grammar was also established more than 15 years ago. If you
are reading a page in a novel written in English, do you read it from
the top of the page down, or do you read it from the bottom of the page
up? Should we arbitrarily have some pages on a novel read top down, and
others bottom up?
US road rules were made so we could at least make an attempt at
being
polite drivers and to minimize chaos on the roads. RFC 1855 was written
to offer guidelines on how to be a polite Internet Citizen to help
minimize chaos and increase understanding. English grammar is an
attempt to offer rules and guidelines so that we can understand the
written message based around a common framework.
Top posting is in violation of both the Netiquette Guidelines AND
English grammar. Why propagate a behaviour that is in clear opposition
to the way that we read and understand the English language and also
published Internet Guidelines?
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/
Join us on the New England Aviation Forums - http://forum.deej.net/
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Rene Felker wrote:
>
> I think I want to discuss primer.
>
How about replacement for Weldon 10.
> Do Not Archive
>
Really useful for this thread!!!
> But, I do prefer answers on top.........
>
Me too ..... or in the middle, on the bottom, sideways, ...... oops.
Really doesn't matter to me.
Linn
> Rene' Felker
> N423CF
> 801-721-6080
>
SNIP!!! :-)
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| Subject: | Copperstate RV10 Nest 2010 |
If you have Evie dip the Canon Camera in Chocolate I will take it!
Robin
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of woxofswa
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 2:20 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Copperstate RV10 Nest 2010
Planning is underway for the Third (and last) Annual Copperstate RV10 Nest
and barbeque.
I hope to have the nest set up for the entire three days for peeps to have
a shady place to crash and hang out.
The luncheon will be noonish on Saturday the 23rd and last until we can't
stand it anymore.
Evie is promising better food this year. (She hated the store bought
tortillas last year and plans fresh cooked on the spot this year.) I told
her that she still has to do the chocolate covered treats for Robin.
As always we have to walk a fine line with not competing with the paid
concessionaires. However, we left enough goodies with the campground
hosts over the last couple of years that they have come to know and expect
us. The usual carne asada, salad, dessert, soft drinks and water will be
available for voluntary and discretionary donation. Adult beverages must
be BYOB.
I will have as many seats and tables as I can scrounge, but more folding
chairs are always welcome.
I still have a Canon digital camera that was left last year and will bring
it this year unless someone claims it beforehand.
Myron
602 421 2868
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in progress
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310716#310716
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| Subject: | Re: Tool question - anyone familiar with Enderes tools? |
My hands-down best phillips head screw drivers have been using Dewalt tips
on various drivers.
Steve Weinstock
40230
fuse
In a message dated 8/30/2010 7:56:06 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
martinaerodrome@gmail.com writes:
I have sold Enderes tools in my hardware store and used them myself for
over 30 years. I think that they aare of the best quality. I also have
never had a warranty problem with Enderes.
Good Luck
Dick Martin
RV8 N23M
the fast one
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So did you alodine or not?..................Epoxy or self-etching?;-)
Do Not Archive
On 8/30/2010 5:30 PM, Rene Felker wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rene Felker"<rene@felker.com>
>
> I think I want to discuss primer.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> But, I do prefer answers on top.........
>
> Rene' Felker
> N423CF
> 801-721-6080
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| Subject: | Re: Final fitting of the doors |
Just a thought, is it possible the hinge halves have gotten mismatched from previous
fit?
--------
Dave Ford
RV6 flying
RV10 building
Cadillac, MI
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Since I upgraded from the Commodore 64, I haven't had any problems with the posts
;)
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 30, 2010, at 18:41, Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> Rene Felker wrote:
>>
>> I think I want to discuss primer.
>>
> How about replacement for Weldon 10.
>> Do Not Archive
>>
> Really useful for this thread!!!
>> But, I do prefer answers on top.........
>>
> Me too ..... or in the middle, on the bottom, sideways, ...... oops. Really
doesn't matter to me.
> Linn
>
>> Rene' Felker
>> N423CF
>> 801-721-6080
>>
>
> SNIP!!! :-)
>
>
>
>
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All you guys crack me up. Now get back to work building or planning that next flight.
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Grayson, KY Bldr# 40983
Ord complete kit 8/24/09; DB Sch del 11/20/09
Emp 12/01/09-3/14/10 332 hrs
Wings 3/14/10-
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I thought the preferred way was to just have O2 to the pilot so the
passengers can sleep through the flight.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
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