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1. 05:17 AM - Re: First engine start (Eric_Kallio)
2. 06:23 AM - Re: Re: fuel caps (David Maib)
3. 06:57 AM - Re: Re: fuel caps (David Maib)
4. 07:14 AM - Re: Re: fuel caps (David Maib)
5. 07:35 AM - Re: I shant shunt (Strasnuts)
6. 01:33 PM - Re: Re: First engine start (Rob Kochman)
7. 02:09 PM - Step (Fred Williams, M.D.)
8. 03:43 PM - Re: Step (davidsoutpost@comcast.net)
9. 03:51 PM - Re: Step (Pascal)
10. 04:24 PM - Re: Step (Rob Kochman)
11. 04:34 PM - Re: Step (Kelly McMullen)
12. 04:34 PM - Re: First engine start (Eric_Kallio)
13. 04:51 PM - Re: Step (Tim Olson)
14. 04:51 PM - Re: Re: First engine start (Rob Kochman)
15. 05:17 PM - Re: fuel caps (mvultaggio)
16. 05:19 PM - Finish Kit Inventory (mds4878)
17. 05:25 PM - Re: Step (John Cumins)
18. 05:35 PM - Re: Re: fuel caps (David Maib)
19. 05:43 PM - Re: Step (David Maib)
20. 06:05 PM - Re: Step (Roger Standley)
21. 06:09 PM - Re: Re: fuel caps (Neil & Sarah Colliver)
22. 06:09 PM - Re: Landing gear shake (Roger Standley)
23. 07:39 PM - Re: Finish Kit Inventory (Bob Leffler)
24. 08:37 PM - Re: Speaking of Ray Allen Servos (Ben Westfall)
25. 09:13 PM - Re: Finish Kit Inventory (Pascal)
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| Subject: | Re: First engine start |
Don't worry Rob. Mine was far from perfect either. Turns out the wiring diagram
for my ignition was off and had me put the wrong ignition system to ground. I
too have a mag and a Lightspeed, but the wiring diagram didn't have me grounding
one out for start. According to the other mechanics on the filed I should
run the mag used to start to the ground. going to review my schematics today.
Congrats. I wonder who will be the next to get their first flight.
Eric
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I have the retrofit caps from Van's. I don't know if they are
identical to the Andair, but they sure look the same. http://
www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?
ident=1295878348-248-561&browse=misc&product=retro-cap Easy retrofit
install in the existing QB tank flanges. I too can confirm that fuel
leaks out of the key slot if the tanks are filled to the brim. I had
mine engraved by Bill's Custom Engraving http://www.rvengraving.com/
and had him paint the engraved lettering black. They look great and
are very high quality. I have never had any problem with the smaller
opening and have fueled at many FBO's all over the country (east of
the Rockies anyway).
David Maib
40559
flying
On Jan 23, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Billy & Tami Britton wrote:
> <william@gbta.net>
>
> The way I understand it--Andair's site doesn't really say much
> about them--we go ahead and install the stock Vans flanges and the
> andair flange is pro-sealed into that flange???? Has the smaller
> opening presented any issues as far as fuel nozzles being too big
> to fit in?
>
> Thanks again,
> Bill
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 7:51 PM
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: fuel caps
>
>>
>> I bought the Andair locking caps. I think $80 each. As it is true
>> of all their products; cost more but high quality. Make sure you
>> ask for a common key though.
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jan 23, 2011, at 3:50 PM, "rv10flyer"
>> <wayne.gillispie@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> <wayne.gillispie@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>> I installed them on my sb tanks last year. You'll need to flatten
>>> the curvature with a belt sander using 80 grit, then 120 grit. It
>>> takes about an hour or so for both. They are made of a VERY hard
>>> aluminum alloy...don't have any idea, but they will get very hot
>>> while sanding so keep some water handy and good leather gloves.
>>> You'll like them once done with sanding/installation.
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
>>> Bldr# 40983 SB Started 12/1/09.
>>> Fuselage Sec 41 Fwd top fuse skin/panel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328093#328093
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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I just noticed that Bill's Custom Engraving is selling the retrofit
Newton's Caps that Van's sells for $65 each. Bill is selling them for
$28 each according to his web site!! I emailed him to find out if
that is a "for real" price.
David Maib
40559
flying
On Jan 24, 2011, at 9:20 AM, David Maib wrote:
>
> I have the retrofit caps from Van's. I don't know if they are
> identical to the Andair, but they sure look the same. http://
> www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?
> ident=1295878348-248-561&browse=misc&product=retro-cap Easy
> retrofit install in the existing QB tank flanges. I too can confirm
> that fuel leaks out of the key slot if the tanks are filled to the
> brim. I had mine engraved by Bill's Custom Engraving http://
> www.rvengraving.com/ and had him paint the engraved lettering
> black. They look great and are very high quality. I have never had
> any problem with the smaller opening and have fueled at many FBO's
> all over the country (east of the Rockies anyway).
>
> David Maib
> 40559
> flying
>
> On Jan 23, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Billy & Tami Britton wrote:
>
>> <william@gbta.net>
>>
>> The way I understand it--Andair's site doesn't really say much
>> about them--we go ahead and install the stock Vans flanges and the
>> andair flange is pro-sealed into that flange???? Has the smaller
>> opening presented any issues as far as fuel nozzles being too big
>> to fit in?
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Bill
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 7:51 PM
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: fuel caps
>>
>>>
>>> I bought the Andair locking caps. I think $80 each. As it is
>>> true of all their products; cost more but high quality. Make sure
>>> you ask for a common key though.
>>>
>>> Do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jan 23, 2011, at 3:50 PM, "rv10flyer"
>>> <wayne.gillispie@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <wayne.gillispie@yahoo.com>
>>>>
>>>> I installed them on my sb tanks last year. You'll need to
>>>> flatten the curvature with a belt sander using 80 grit, then 120
>>>> grit. It takes about an hour or so for both. They are made of a
>>>> VERY hard aluminum alloy...don't have any idea, but they will
>>>> get very hot while sanding so keep some water handy and good
>>>> leather gloves. You'll like them once done with sanding/
>>>> installation.
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
>>>> Bldr# 40983 SB Started 12/1/09.
>>>> Fuselage Sec 41 Fwd top fuse skin/panel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328093#328093
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Bill responded very quickly to my email and told that his webmaster
made a mistake and $28 is the price for the engraving on the Newton
caps. He did not say what he sells the caps for. So, as usual, if it
seems too good to be true...............!!
David Maib
40559
flying
On Jan 24, 2011, at 9:51 AM, David Maib wrote:
>
> I just noticed that Bill's Custom Engraving is selling the retrofit
> Newton's Caps that Van's sells for $65 each. Bill is selling them
> for $28 each according to his web site!! I emailed him to find out
> if that is a "for real" price.
>
> David Maib
> 40559
> flying
>
> On Jan 24, 2011, at 9:20 AM, David Maib wrote:
>
>>
>> I have the retrofit caps from Van's. I don't know if they are
>> identical to the Andair, but they sure look the same. http://
>> www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?
>> ident=1295878348-248-561&browse=misc&product=retro-cap Easy
>> retrofit install in the existing QB tank flanges. I too can
>> confirm that fuel leaks out of the key slot if the tanks are
>> filled to the brim. I had mine engraved by Bill's Custom Engraving
>> http://www.rvengraving.com/ and had him paint the engraved
>> lettering black. They look great and are very high quality. I have
>> never had any problem with the smaller opening and have fueled at
>> many FBO's all over the country (east of the Rockies anyway).
>>
>> David Maib
>> 40559
>> flying
>>
>> On Jan 23, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Billy & Tami Britton wrote:
>>
>>> <william@gbta.net>
>>>
>>> The way I understand it--Andair's site doesn't really say much
>>> about them--we go ahead and install the stock Vans flanges and
>>> the andair flange is pro-sealed into that flange???? Has the
>>> smaller opening presented any issues as far as fuel nozzles being
>>> too big to fit in?
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 7:51 PM
>>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: fuel caps
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I bought the Andair locking caps. I think $80 each. As it is
>>>> true of all their products; cost more but high quality. Make
>>>> sure you ask for a common key though.
>>>>
>>>> Do not archive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 23, 2011, at 3:50 PM, "rv10flyer"
>>>> <wayne.gillispie@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> <wayne.gillispie@yahoo.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> I installed them on my sb tanks last year. You'll need to
>>>>> flatten the curvature with a belt sander using 80 grit, then
>>>>> 120 grit. It takes about an hour or so for both. They are made
>>>>> of a VERY hard aluminum alloy...don't have any idea, but they
>>>>> will get very hot while sanding so keep some water handy and
>>>>> good leather gloves. You'll like them once done with sanding/
>>>>> installation.
>>>>>
>>>>> --------
>>>>> Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
>>>>> Bldr# 40983 SB Started 12/1/09.
>>>>> Fuselage Sec 41 Fwd top fuse skin/panel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328093#328093
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: I shant shunt |
Current Shunts are considered more accurate and cheaper than Hall effect devices.
I'm sure it really is an insignificant difference and having less terminal connections
is nice too.
I went with two shunts for my G3X. The manual shows both hall effect and shunts.
--------
Cust. #40936
RV-10 SB Fuselage
N801VR reserved
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| Subject: | Re: First engine start |
Thanks, Eric... my money is on you, since my DAR visit isn't scheduled for
almost a month.
Is your mag an impulse coupled mag? I'm starting mine on both
ignitions--we'll except for that first start :)
BTW, added a couple videos...
First start, on one mag: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImWsEK9Fhuc
Starting it later on both ignitions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfLZDNbsdrk
-Rob
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:13 AM, Eric_Kallio <scout019@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Don't worry Rob. Mine was far from perfect either. Turns out the wiring
> diagram for my ignition was off and had me put the wrong ignition system to
> ground. I too have a mag and a Lightspeed, but the wiring diagram didn't
> have me grounding one out for start. According to the other mechanics on the
> filed I should run the mag used to start to the ground. going to review my
> schematics today. Congrats. I wonder who will be the next to get their first
> flight.
>
> Eric
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328188#328188
>
>
--
Rob Kochman
RV-10 "Finishing" Kit
Woodinville, WA (near Seattle)
http://kochman.net/N819K
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I wanted to add another data point to the broken step. I took some
friends up for a ride this weekend. As a 300 lb guy was getting into
the plane, the right step broke off . Same place as previous notes.
Weld broke, looked like minimal weld material at top. I had a
significant amount of rust inside. I remember that I did put some
primer inside the tube. Will have to cut access holes to get to the bolt.
May be something to think about if you have a heavy person to get in the
plane. Might want to get a small step stool out to help them get up a
little higher. When he was getting in the plane, he couldn't quite get
his weight forward enough to grab the door sill. So he kinda hesitated
and tried to catch his balance and wavered on the step just before it
broke. Maybe if he had a step it would have been a little easier and he
wouldn't have stressed the weld so much.
Of course, small dent in the skin underneath.
I'll try and take some pics and post later. May be the weekend before I
can address the issue.
Dr Fred
515 FW.
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One of my steps had a stress crack about 3/8" long on the top of the step weld
where it joins the strut. There was a small pit where it started in the middle.
I have a TIG welder so I re-welded both steps adding quite a bit of filler as
I went along . No way I want to have to remove one if/when one breaks, and that
particular step would have broke real quickly. I am now waiting them to come
back from chroming so I can get them installed and install the baggage floors.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
N849RV (reserved)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 5:06:05 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Step
I wanted to add another data point to the broken step. I took some
friends up for a ride this weekend. As a 300 lb guy was getting into
the plane, the right step broke off . Same place as previous notes.
Weld broke, looked like minimal weld material at top. I had a
significant amount of rust inside. I remember that I did put some
primer inside the tube. Will have to cut access holes to get to the bolt.
May be something to think about if you have a heavy person to get in the
plane. Might want to get a small step stool out to help them get up a
little higher. When he was getting in the plane, he couldn't quite get
his weight forward enough to grab the door sill. So he kinda hesitated
and tried to catch his balance and wavered on the step just before it
broke. Maybe if he had a step it would have been a little easier and he
wouldn't have stressed the weld so much.
Of course, small dent in the skin underneath.
I'll try and take some pics and post later. May be the weekend before I
can address the issue.
Dr Fred
515 FW.
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Sounds like 300lbs is the limit on the step. Regardless of the rust I think
there needs to be a concern that the step is a sore spot on the planes.
While up at a VAF Socal meeting and show and tell there was a RV-7 that had
a missing step as well. Seems many have commented on the weak weld and need
to reweld the step before it breaks.
I am seriously thinking of a portable step for my passengers. It may be a
hassle, for the few times I do it, but it will be better than a broken step
that will force me to do more later.
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Williams, M.D.
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 2:06 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Step
<drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
I wanted to add another data point to the broken step. I took some
friends up for a ride this weekend. As a 300 lb guy was getting into
the plane, the right step broke off . Same place as previous notes.
Weld broke, looked like minimal weld material at top. I had a
significant amount of rust inside. I remember that I did put some
primer inside the tube. Will have to cut access holes to get to the bolt.
May be something to think about if you have a heavy person to get in the
plane. Might want to get a small step stool out to help them get up a
little higher. When he was getting in the plane, he couldn't quite get
his weight forward enough to grab the door sill. So he kinda hesitated
and tried to catch his balance and wavered on the step just before it
broke. Maybe if he had a step it would have been a little easier and he
wouldn't have stressed the weld so much.
Of course, small dent in the skin underneath.
I'll try and take some pics and post later. May be the weekend before I
can address the issue.
Dr Fred
515 FW.
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Are people getting injured when these things break?
-Rob
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Pascal <rv10builder@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Sounds like 300lbs is the limit on the step. Regardless of the rust I think
> there needs to be a concern that the step is a sore spot on the planes.
> While up at a VAF Socal meeting and show and tell there was a RV-7 that had
> a missing step as well. Seems many have commented on the weak weld and need
> to reweld the step before it breaks.
> I am seriously thinking of a portable step for my passengers. It may be a
> hassle, for the few times I do it, but it will be better than a broken step
> that will force me to do more later.
> Pascal
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Fred Williams, M.D.
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 2:06 PM
> To: RV 10
>
> Subject: RV10-List: Step
>
> drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
>
>
> I wanted to add another data point to the broken step. I took some
> friends up for a ride this weekend. As a 300 lb guy was getting into
> the plane, the right step broke off . Same place as previous notes.
> Weld broke, looked like minimal weld material at top. I had a
> significant amount of rust inside. I remember that I did put some
> primer inside the tube. Will have to cut access holes to get to the bolt.
>
> May be something to think about if you have a heavy person to get in the
> plane. Might want to get a small step stool out to help them get up a
> little higher. When he was getting in the plane, he couldn't quite get
> his weight forward enough to grab the door sill. So he kinda hesitated
> and tried to catch his balance and wavered on the step just before it
> broke. Maybe if he had a step it would have been a little easier and he
> wouldn't have stressed the weld so much.
>
> Of course, small dent in the skin underneath.
>
> I'll try and take some pics and post later. May be the weekend before I
> can address the issue.
>
> Dr Fred
>
> 515 FW.
>
>
--
Rob Kochman
RV-10 "Finishing" Kit
Woodinville, WA (near Seattle)
http://kochman.net/N819K
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Has anyone considered putting a grab handle under the right rear
window to help passengers come aboard?
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Pascal <rv10builder@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Sounds like 300lbs is the limit on the step. Regardless of the rust I think
> there needs to be a concern that the step is a sore spot on the planes.
> While up at a VAF Socal meeting and show and tell there was a RV-7 that had
> a missing step as well. Seems many have commented on the weak weld and need
> to reweld the step before it breaks.
> I am seriously thinking of a portable step for my passengers. It may be a
> hassle, for the few times I do it, but it will be better than a broken step
> that will force me to do more later.
> Pascal
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| Subject: | Re: First engine start |
My mag is impulse coupled. Started with the lightspeed disabled on the first run.
The second run had them both enabled, although the key switch grounds out the
Lightspeed in the start position, but as soon as I release it and I am in the
both position there is a noticeable smoothing of the engine. I like the videos.
My airport manager filmed my first run on her iphone. and she hasn't been
able to send it to me yet. I am looking at my first flight on February 6th or
7th. I'll see how the re-assembly goes. I am also changing the upper cowl faster
from the hinge to the Skybolt fastners, so there is a days work.
Eric
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Step breakage issues aren't unique to RV's...they're common on
many other models too. So they're always something to treat
carefully. A portable step would be a good idea if you're
loading a lot of chubbies....you not only have the step breakage
issue but if you're aft loaded with gear, you could have the
"smash the tail to the ground" issue too.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 1/24/2011 5:48 PM, Pascal wrote:
>
> Sounds like 300lbs is the limit on the step. Regardless of the rust I
> think there needs to be a concern that the step is a sore spot on the
> planes. While up at a VAF Socal meeting and show and tell there was a
> RV-7 that had a missing step as well. Seems many have commented on the
> weak weld and need to reweld the step before it breaks.
> I am seriously thinking of a portable step for my passengers. It may be
> a hassle, for the few times I do it, but it will be better than a broken
> step that will force me to do more later.
> Pascal
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Fred Williams, M.D.
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 2:06 PM
> To: RV 10
> Subject: RV10-List: Step
>
> <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
>
>
> I wanted to add another data point to the broken step. I took some
> friends up for a ride this weekend. As a 300 lb guy was getting into
> the plane, the right step broke off . Same place as previous notes.
> Weld broke, looked like minimal weld material at top. I had a
> significant amount of rust inside. I remember that I did put some
> primer inside the tube. Will have to cut access holes to get to the bolt.
>
> May be something to think about if you have a heavy person to get in the
> plane. Might want to get a small step stool out to help them get up a
> little higher. When he was getting in the plane, he couldn't quite get
> his weight forward enough to grab the door sill. So he kinda hesitated
> and tried to catch his balance and wavered on the step just before it
> broke. Maybe if he had a step it would have been a little easier and he
> wouldn't have stressed the weld so much.
>
> Of course, small dent in the skin underneath.
>
> I'll try and take some pics and post later. May be the weekend before I
> can address the issue.
>
> Dr Fred
>
> 515 FW.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First engine start |
Has anyone had a kickback issue (or any other issues) starting with both
lightspeed+mag on the (I)O-540?
-Rob
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Eric_Kallio <scout019@msn.com> wrote:
>
> My mag is impulse coupled. Started with the lightspeed disabled on the
> first run. The second run had them both enabled, although the key switch
> grounds out the Lightspeed in the start position, but as soon as I release
> it and I am in the both position there is a noticeable smoothing of the
> engine. I like the videos. My airport manager filmed my first run on her
> iphone. and she hasn't been able to send it to me yet. I am looking at my
> first flight on February 6th or 7th. I'll see how the re-assembly goes. I am
> also changing the upper cowl faster from the hinge to the Skybolt fastners,
> so there is a days work.
>
> Eric
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328321#328321
>
>
--
Rob Kochman
RV-10 "Finishing" Kit
Woodinville, WA (near Seattle)
http://kochman.net/N819K
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Curious. If the Andair fuel caps leak a little when the tanks are totally full,
does that mean they also allow water to get in the tanks in a rain storm?
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| Subject: | Finish Kit Inventory |
Can anybody email me a RV10 inventory list for the finish kit?
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We have a handle mounted on the curve of the fuselage above the step on our
Saratoga, and I plan on adding 2 ea type handles to my -10 one on each side
makes climbing the step much easier and safer.
John G. Cumins
40864 Wings Rib riveting
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Step
Has anyone considered putting a grab handle under the right rear window to
help passengers come aboard?
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Pascal <rv10builder@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Sounds like 300lbs is the limit on the step. Regardless of the rust I
> think there needs to be a concern that the step is a sore spot on the
planes.
> While up at a VAF Socal meeting and show and tell there was a RV-7
> that had a missing step as well. Seems many have commented on the weak
> weld and need to reweld the step before it breaks.
> I am seriously thinking of a portable step for my passengers. It may
> be a hassle, for the few times I do it, but it will be better than a
> broken step that will force me to do more later.
> Pascal
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I wondered the same thing. I am happy to report that I have parked my
airplane out in the rain overnight on a few occasions and have never
seen even a drop of water come out of the sumps. I wonder if the
slight pressurization of the tanks through the tank vents when in
flight doesn't contribute to the "full tanks fuel out the key slot"
issue with the Newton/Andair caps?
David Maib
40559
flying
On Jan 24, 2011, at 8:15 PM, mvultaggio wrote:
>
> Curious. If the Andair fuel caps leak a little when the tanks are
> totally full, does that mean they also allow water to get in the
> tanks in a rain storm?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328328#328328
>
>
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I put handles above the rear windows, and many others have as well.
They are similar to handles on the older Bonanza I used to fly, and
they work well.
David Maib
40559
flying
On Jan 24, 2011, at 7:29 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> Has anyone considered putting a grab handle under the right rear
> window to help passengers come aboard?
>
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Pascal <rv10builder@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>>
>> Sounds like 300lbs is the limit on the step. Regardless of the
>> rust I think
>> there needs to be a concern that the step is a sore spot on the
>> planes.
>> While up at a VAF Socal meeting and show and tell there was a RV-7
>> that had
>> a missing step as well. Seems many have commented on the weak weld
>> and need
>> to reweld the step before it breaks.
>> I am seriously thinking of a portable step for my passengers. It
>> may be a
>> hassle, for the few times I do it, but it will be better than a
>> broken step
>> that will force me to do more later.
>> Pascal
>
>
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Is there an upper limit on the size of a single passenger or pilot? It
seems that there would be a limit to how much can walk on the wing or
that the seat and seat belts can support during CAT or high G maneuvers.
Roger
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Pascal
<rv10builder@verizon.net<mailto:rv10builder@verizon.net>>
> wrote:
<rv10builder@verizon.net<mailto:rv10builder@verizon.net>>
>>
>> Sounds like 300lbs is the limit on the step. Regardless of the
>> rust I think
>> there needs to be a concern that the step is a sore spot on the
>> planes.
>> While up at a VAF Socal meeting and show and tell there was a RV-7
>> that had
>> a missing step as well. Seems many have commented on the weak weld
>> and need
>> to reweld the step before it breaks.
>> I am seriously thinking of a portable step for my passengers. It
>> may be a
>> hassle, for the few times I do it, but it will be better than a
>> broken step
>> that will force me to do more later.
>> Pascal
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yes.
On 25/01/2011, at 2:15 PM, mvultaggio wrote:
>
> Curious. If the Andair fuel caps leak a little when the tanks are totally full,
does that mean they also allow water to get in the tanks in a rain storm?
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328328#328328
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear shake |
Thank you for the feedback. I plan to replace the main tires and brake
pads soon and will be mindful of the items you all have mentioned. More
to follow...
Roger
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillip Perry<mailto:philperry9@gmail.com>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Landing gear shake
<philperry9@gmail.com<mailto:philperry9@gmail.com>>
I have a static balancer and found that following Van's 'red dot'
plans but the tire/wheel assemblies at the most extreme out of balance
scenario. I eventually had to install the red dot 180 degrees
opposite of Vans plans and still add weight to bring the assembly into
balance.
This was true on both of the mains. I can't speak for Vans nosewheel
because I went with the Matco setup.
Your milage may vary, but this was just waht I found on mine after
balancing them.
On 1/23/11, Carl Froehlich
<carl.froehlich@verizon.net<mailto:carl.froehlich@verizon.net>> wrote:
> Good discussions on this in the archive.
>
>
>
> Standard things to check:
>
> - Balance all wheels/tire assemblies. I use the stick on
weights -
> available at Matco.
>
> - Check main gear hub cap for proper load on the wheel
bearings.
> The wheel should spin a turn or so after a good hand push.
>
> - Check that you don't have an out of round tire.
>
> - On the nose gear install the Matco replacement axel if
not
> already done:
>
http://www.matcomfg.com/AXLEASSEMBLYA24125INCH-idv-3657-1.html<http://www
.matcomfg.com/AXLEASSEMBLYA24125INCH-idv-3657-1.html> This enables
> a fixed preload on the nose bearing that is not affected by axel to
fork
> mounting bolt torque. Note - a nose gear shimmy can induce a main
gear
> vibration.
>
>
>
> Carl Froehlich
>
> RV-8A (600 hours)
>
> RV-10 (just finishing cowl and plenum install)
>
>
>
> From:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matron
ics.com>
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
Standley
> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 8:41 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: Landing gear shake
>
>
>
>
> Today I was able to have a guy observe the gear up close as I was
landing. I
> have been feeling a shake during roll out below 30 mph. Sometimes
not too
> much but sometimes significant. Applying brakes seems to make it
worse but
> nothing will make it stop until slowing below 20 mph. Speeds above
30 mph
> are smooth. He said that the left main was shaking and it looked to
be
> rapidly moving forward and back.
>
> Are others noticing this shaking? Is there a fix or a way to
minimize the
> shaking that anyone has discovered?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Roger Standley
>
> N291RV
>
> 165 hours
>
>
>
>
>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List<http://www.matronics.com/Nav
igator?RV10-List>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi
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| Subject: | Finish Kit Inventory |
Here you go....
bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mds4878
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 8:18 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Finish Kit Inventory
Can anybody email me a RV10 inventory list for the finish kit?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328329#328329
Packing List
Order : 8-29808
Order Date:12.09.08
Ship Date :12.09.08
Page Num : 1
Customer: Ship To:
NB209
SAMPLE rv-10 fin OVER-COUNTER SALES
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Ship Via:WILL CALL ORDER PULLED BY: CHECKED BY:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Qty Picked Qty to Pick Item Number Description
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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__________ 1.00 RV-10 FINISH IO-540
KIT==================
________ 1.00 C-1002A-L CABIN DOOR
OUTR.SHELL
________ 1.00 C-1002A-R CABIN DOOR
OUTR.SHELL
________ 1.00 C-1002B-L CABIN DOOR
INER.SHELL
________ 1.00 C-1002B-R CABIN DOOR
INER.SHELL
________ 1.00 C-1003-L LEFT DOOR WINDOW
________ 1.00 C-1003-R RIGHT DOOR WINDOW
________ 1.00 CA SEAT ASSEMBLY -10 L/R SEAT
ASSY/CUSHNS
" ________ 1.00 COWL,10 BOT.IO-540 COWL BOTTOM
"
" ________ 1.00 COWL,10 TOP IO-540 COWL TOP
"
________ 2.00 U 15X6.0-6 MAIN TIRE 6 PLY
RV-10
________ 2.00 U 15X6.0-6IT INNER TUBE MAIN
RV-10
________ 1.00 U 5:00X5-6 6 PLY TIRE MAIN
GEAR
________ 1.00 U 5:00X5-6IT TUBE FOR 5:005-6
" ________ 1.00 U CLEVELAND 199-104A 6"" RV-10 WHEELS
SETS "
X ________ 1.00 U NW501.25 NOSE WHEEL
W/BEARINGS $127
________ 1.00 U-1001-L-PC MAIN GEAR LEG
________ 1.00 U-1001-R-PC MAIN GEAR LEG
________ 2.00 U-1004A AXLE NUT ON GEAR
LEG
________ 1.00 U-1013A WHL.FAIR.NOSE
FRONT
________ 1.00 U-1013B WHL.FAIR.NOSE REAR
________ 2.00 U-1057A MAIN
WHL.FAIRNG.FRONT
________ 2.00 U-1057B MAIN WHL.FAIRING
REAR
X can't find ________ 2.00 VENT SV-10 VENT
FRESH AIR
________ 1.00 WD-1001-D1-PC 10A DYNA-1
ENG.MNT.
________ 1.00 WD-1016-PC NOSE GEAR LINK
ASSY.
________ 1.00 WD-1017-PC NOSE GEAR STRUT
________ 2.00 AN257-P3X6' HINGE X 6'
________ 1.00 HINGE PIANO 063X3' LEG FAIRING HINGE
ALL
________ 1.00 HINGE PIANO 063X6' 063 PIANO HINGE
________ 1.00 SSP-090X6' STAINLESS STEEL
PIN
________ 1.00 SSP-120X6' STAINLESS STEEL
PIN
________ 1.00 VENT SCAT 2X6' SCAT TUBE X 6 FT
________ 1.00 RUBBER DOOR SEALX25' VA-198 DOOR SEAL
" ________ 1.00 SPINNER, C/S-13 C/S SPINNER KIT
ALL "
" ________ 1.00 S-601-1 FG SPINNER BOWL
13"" "
" ________ 1.00 S-602-1 FP,CS,SEN
13""BACK PLT "
________ 1.00 S-602B RV-6 CS DOUBLER
PLATE
________ 1.00 S-603 RV-6 CS SPIN FRNT
PLT
________ 1.00 BAG 924-3 C/S SPINNER
HARDWARE
________ 1.00 BAG 945 ADDED SPINNER
HWDRE
________ 1.00 DOC C/S SPINNER INSTALLATION
DOCUMENT
________ 1.00 DWG C-4 SPINNER INSTALL
ALL
________ 0.00 ZZZZZZZ EOK ZZZZZZZ -----END OF
KIT------
________ 2.00 AS3-020X1/2X48 WINGTIP BACK STRIP
________ 1.00 10A PLANS FINISH PLANS & MANUAL
________ 1.00 10 DOOR LATCH SYSTEM WARNING LIGHT KIT
________ 1.00 10 FIN SUB-KIT 1 MISC.PARTS
________ 2.00 C-1002C GAS STRUT
ATT.DOUBLER
________ 2.00 C-1008 HANDLE LEVER
X C-1016 HD ________ 2.00 C-1016 DOOR STRUT GAS
STRUT FOR RV-10 $39 for C-1016 $109 for C-1016 HD
" ________ 2.00 C-RACK 10"" GEAR RACK
"
________ 1.00 F-10108A {10 FIN} {INV.COUNTER}
________ 1.00 F-10108B SPLICE PLATE
________ 1.00 F-10108C PLATE
________ 2.00 F-10109 LOUVER
________ 2.00 U-1003-PC BRAKE MOUNT
? ________ 1.00 U-1009 AXLE
________ 1.00 U-1010-L MAIN WHL.FAIRING
BRKT
________ 1.00 U-1010-R MAIN WHL.FAIRING
BRKT
________ 1.00 U-1013C-L N.WHEEL PANT
BRACKET
________ 1.00 U-1013C-R N.WHEEL PANT
BRACKET
________ 1.00 WD-1015-PC LINK CAP ASSY.
________ 2.00 WD-1022-PC DOOR HANDLE
ASSEMBLY
________ 2.00 WD-1023-PC GAS STRUT BRACKET
________ 1.00 WD-1031-PC AXLE FLANGE
________ 1.00 AS3-063X5X10.469 AS 5X10.469
" ________ 1.00 FBGLS.PARABEAM 9X30 FBGLS CLOTH
9""X30"" "
________ 0.00 ZZZZZZZ EOK ZZZZZZZ -----END OF
KIT------
________ 1.00 10 FIN SUB-KIT 2 MISC.PARTS
________ 1.00 C-1011-L FWD.LATCH PIN
________ 1.00 C-1011-R FWD.LATCH PIN
________ 1.00 C-1012-L AFT LATCH PIN
ASSY.
________ 1.00 C-1012-R AFT LATCH PIN
ASSY.
________ 2.00 U-1017A GEAR LEG FAIRING
MAIN
________ 1.00 U-1018A NOSE GEAR LEG
FAIRING
________ 0.00 ZZZZZZZ EOK ZZZZZZZ -----END OF
KIT------
________ 1.00 10 FIN SUB-KIT 3 MISC.PARTS
" ________ 1.00 COWL,10 INLET LEFT INLET LEFT
"
" ________ 1.00 COWL,10 INLET RIGHT INLET RIGHT
"
________ 1.00 COWL-10-01A COWL OIL DOOR
________ 1.00 COWL-10-01B OIL DOOR CORE
________ 0.00 ZZZZZZZ EOK ZZZZZZZ -----END OF
KIT------
________ 1.00 10 FIN SUB-KIT 4 MISC.PARTS
________ 1.00 U-1019-L
LWR.INTERSECT.FAIRING
________ 1.00 U-1019-R
LWR.INTERSECT.FAIRING
________ 1.00 U-1020-L
UPR.INTERSECT.FAIRING
________ 1.00 U-1020-R
UPR.INTERSECT.FAIRING
________ 0.00 ZZZZZZZ EOK ZZZZZZZ -----END OF
KIT------
________ 1.00 10 FIN SUB-KIT 5 MISC.PARTS
________ 1.00 WD-1030 NOSE FORK
________ 4.00 EA J-11968-14 GEAR ELASTOMER
-10
________ 0.00 ZZZZZZZ EOK ZZZZZZZ -----END OF
KIT------
________ 1.00 10A FINISH HARDWARE HARDWARE BAGS
________ 1.00 BAG 1501 AN426AD3-3.5
________ 1.00 BAG 1502 AN426AD3-4
________ 1.00 BAG 1503 AN426AD3-4.5
________ 1.00 BAG 1504 AN426AD3-5
________ 1.00 BAG 1507 AN426AD4-5
________ 1.00 BAG 1510 AN470AD3-4
________ 1.00 BAG 1512 AN470AD4-5
________ 1.00 BAG 1514 RIVET CCR264SS-3-2
________ 1.00 BAG 1516 RIVET LP4-3
________ 1.00 BAG 1518 AN3 BOLTS
________ 1.00 BAG 1520 AN4 BOLTS
________ 1.00 BAG 1521 AN5 BOLTS
________ 1.00 BAG 1522 AN6/AN7 BOLTS
________ 1.00 BAG 1523 SCREWS 632/832
________ 1.00 BAG 1524 MISC. NUTS
________ 1.00 BAG 1525 SCREWS: FLATHEAD
________ 1.00 BAG 1526-1 SCREWS SS
632/832/SMS
________ 1.00 BAG 1527 NUTS: 10-32
________ 1.00 BAG 1528 HOSE CLAMPS
________ 1.00 BAG 1529 MISC. LARGE
WASHERS
________ 1.00 BAG 1530 MISC. SMALL
WASHERS
________ 1.00 BAG 1531 CAMLOCKS
________ 1.00 BAG 1532 MISC PLATENUTS
________ 1.00 BAG 1533 K1000-06 PLATENUTS
________ 1.00 BAG 1534 K1000-08 PLATENUTS
________ 1.00 BAG 1535-1 AXLE HWR
________ 1.00 BAG 1536 MISC. HI TEMP
STOPNUT
________ 1.00 BAG 1537 MISC. LOCKNUTS
________ 1.00 BAG 1539 MISC. COTTER PINS
________ 1.00 BAG 1541 MISC
________ 1.00 BAG 1542 WASHERS
________ 1.00 BAG 1545 MISC. HARDWARE
________ 1.00 BAG 1546 MISC. HARDWARE
________ 1.00 BAG 1547 MISC. HARDWARE
________ 1.00 BAG 1548 MISC. HARDWARE
________ 0.00 ZZZZZZZ EOK ZZZZZZZ -----END OF
KIT------
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| Subject: | Speaking of Ray Allen Servos |
Another method for the ray allen servo wires for those that might not have
seen it http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/macservo/macservo.html With
the E6000 and heat shrink it provides very effective strain relief. If you
go to the trouble of trimming the db-9 connectors metal shells the whole
assembly is very lite.
Ben Westfall
On 1/23/2011 8:59 PM, Les Kearney wrote:
Hi Linn
A small but perhaps important question. What kind of lug do you attach?
Crimp on ring terminal?
Usually. I put a little (1/2") heat shrink on the braid, crimp the
terminal, and then do the shrinking. Don't cheap out on the crimp
connectors, and use a good crimper.
Hammers and vice grips don't hack it. Not saying you'd do that, but you'd
be surprised how many do.
Linn
Cheers
Les
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| Subject: | Re: Finish Kit Inventory |
I would ask Vans to send you the inventory for the finish kit. I saw a kit
this weekend and noticed there were different parts sent to that builder
than I received. Probably 1-2 year difference in kit receipt.
remove half the items!!
My biggest mistake was not getting "real" door seals- I am still fine tuning
the work I did to make the doors fit. dont even think of getting the seals
Vans sends
Get the tires from Desser, get the windows from Cee Baileys
get the front axle and wheels from Matco
get on a aftermarket site for the RV-10 and buy the 180 degree door
mechanism. the wheel pant extensions
whatever you do for the doors when gluing together, lay a few layers of
glass all around the doors to make them stiffer, they are waaaaayyyyy to
flimsy per the plans instructions.
P
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Leffler
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 7:16 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Finish Kit Inventory
Here you go....
bob
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mds4878
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 8:18 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Finish Kit Inventory
Can anybody email me a RV10 inventory list for the finish kit?
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