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--> RV8-List message posted by: "glen matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
Welcome aboard, Bill!
>Also, can someone
>recommend a pneumatic squeezer and are they necessary? Any other advice
anyone
>could provide on anything would be greatly appreciated.
>Thanks,
>Bill Settle
I'm finishing up (whatever that means...) my RV-8. I have an Avery hand
squeezer. I do not have a pneumatic squeezer, and although I've had the
opportunity to use one elsewhere, I don't see the value in owning one. If
I was setting heavy rivets on an assembly line I might see things
differently, but to me they are a waste of resources in the context of
building an RV. The rivets used in building an RV are not hard to squeeze
at all. Whatever effort one expends actually setting rivets by hand is
offset by the effort of lugging the relatively heavy pneumatic squeezer
around.
Just one more data point, and worth precisely what you paid for it-
glen matejcek
aerobubba@earthlink.net
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--> RV8-List message posted by: "cvondoymi" <cvondoymi@comcast.net>
Bill, Buy the "Main Squezze" . Carl----- Original Message -----
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> 1. 03:10 PM - New Builder (Bill & Debbie Settle)
> 2. 03:47 PM - Re: New Builder (Dan)
> 3. 04:18 PM - Re: New Builder (Jeff Preou)
> 4. 04:59 PM - What cars w/L67? (scott bilinski)
> 5. 05:39 PM - Re: New Builder (Frank Stringham)
> 6. 06:03 PM - Re: What cars w/L67? (scott bilinski)
> 7. 06:29 PM - Re: New Builder (dick martin)
> 8. 07:09 PM - Re: New Builder (Steve Eberhart)
> 9. 07:14 PM - Re: New Builder (John Porter)
> 10. 08:12 PM - RV8 List- New Builder (Dick DeCramer)
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> ________________________________ Message 1
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> Time: 03:10:29 PM PST US
> From: Bill & Debbie Settle <billsettle@peoplepc.com>
> Subject: RV8-List: New Builder
>
> --> RV8-List message posted by: Bill & Debbie Settle
> <billsettle@peoplepc.com>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm a newby with a couple of newby questions for you. I am starting an
> RV-8 tail
> kit this month and am trying to collect the tools I think I'll need. I
> have
> been looking at the Roper Whitney compound hand rivet squeezer at Aircraft
> Tool
> Supply, as well as Cleaveland A/C Tool's "The Main Squeeze". Both are
> about
> the same cost. Does anyone have any opinions on them...? Also, can
> someone
> recommend a pneumatic squeezer and are they necessary? Any other advice
> anyone
> could provide on anything would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Settle
>
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> Time: 03:47:44 PM PST US
> From: Dan <dan@rdan.com>
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Builder
>
> Bill,,,
> Lots of advise is comming I'm sure, and it's all good.
> As for me I bought a pheumatic squeezer right off and still don't have a
> hand
> squeeze, as of yet I havn't needed the hand tool but I'm thinking about
> buying
> one. it has to also fit the same yokes as the standard pheumatic
> Welcome to the club
> Dan
> -8
> finishing tail soon,.,
> Ssnohomish WA
>
>
> Bill & Debbie Settle <billsettle@peoplepc.com> wrote:
> --> RV8-List message posted by: Bill & Debbie Settle
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm a newby with a couple of newby questions for you. I am starting an
> RV-8 tail
> kit this month and am trying to collect the tools I think I'll need. I
> have
> been looking at the Roper Whitney compound hand rivet squeezer at Aircraft
> Tool
> Supply, as well as Cleaveland A/C Tool's "The Main Squeeze". Both are
> about
> the same cost. Does anyone have any opinions on them...? Also, can someone
> recommend
> a pneumatic squeezer and are they necessary? Any other advice anyone could
> provide on anything would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Settle
>
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> ________________________________ Message 3
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> Time: 04:18:20 PM PST US
> Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Builder
> From: "Jeff Preou" <jeff@preou.com>
>
> I bought the Avery toolkit and also an Avery pneumatic squeezer (they wer
> e on special at the time). I love the pneumatic and use it a lot, but the
> re is still the odd occasion where the hand squeezer allows me easier con
> trol. The yokes are interchangeable, I have the quick release pins and th
> e adjustable set holder. Life is easy(-ier) with the right tools!! I just
> figured that if I'm spending $150k (NZ) then an extra grand or two on
> decent tools isn't really much in the grand scheme of things...
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Jeff Preou
> Hamilton, New Zealand
>
>
> ________________________________
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> From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Bill & Debbie Sett
> le
> Sent: Wed 6/09/2006 10:09 AM
> Subject: RV8-List: New Builder
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> --> RV8-List message posted by: Bill & Debbie Settle <billsettle@peoplepc
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>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm a newby with a couple of newby questions for you. I am starting an R
> V-8 tail kit this month and am trying to collect the tools I think I'll n
> eed. I have been looking at the Roper Whitney compound hand rivet squeez
> er at Aircraft Tool Supply, as well as Cleaveland A/C Tool's "The Main Sq
> ueeze". Both are about the same cost. Does anyone have any opinions on
> them...? Also, can someone recommend a pneumatic squeezer and are the
> y necessary? Any other advice anyone could provide on anything would be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Settle
>
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> Time: 04:59:10 PM PST US
> From: scott bilinski <rv8a2001@yahoo.com>
> Subject: RV8-List: What cars w/L67?
>
> What cars did the L-67 supercharged come in? Having a hard time locating
> one when
> I dont know what car they came in.
>
> Thanks
> Scott
>
>
> Scott Bilinski
> RV-8a
> cell 858-395-5094
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
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> Time: 05:39:16 PM PST US
> From: "Frank Stringham" <fstringham@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Builder
>
> --> RV8-List message posted by: "Frank Stringham" <fstringham@hotmail.com>
>
> Bill
>
> Congrats on the start and your ???? I started my 7A 2 years ago this month
> (Sept.04 2006). Enjoyed every minute of it ....even the mistakes.......
>
> Now to the tools questions. I do know that my son ( who I build homes
> with)
> said Dad remember it is the tools. He said this as I was trying to decide
> to
> buy the DRDT2 dimpler. I am glad I bought it. Saved time, made perfect
> dimples, and was very easy to use. With that said I bought the Avery RV
> Kit,
> pneumatic squeezer from the Tool Yard....4 inch no hole yoke and the
> longerone yoke. I do kinda wished I had bought the Cleveland squeezer for
> those time when a hand sqeezer makes more sense than the pneumatic. A
> dremel
> is a must. I also have a belt sander, band saw, table saw, and on and on
> and on. I feel sometimes like I have kept sears/lowes/home
> depot/Ace.....in
> business. The more tools the better!
>
> At a minimum build Vans practice kit. At a max. go to one of the schools
> that will help you finish off your emanage (SP). I did the practice
> project
> and had a good freind with a lot of build experience get me started. He
> did
> give me one excellent piece of advice. "Be Patient". I can tell you every
> time I have made a mistake I was pressing forward full speed under the
> notion that, "I think this will work". NOT................My advice would
> be: Get help with the learning curve, yes, be patient, don't rivet unless
> the part is tied down solid, take your time, check out the web pages of
> the
> great builders....Dan Checkoway, Walter Tondu, Sam Buchanan ...plus many
> more on the Vans links. Last be not least read the instructions...get
> claification where needed, and then measure trice/cut-drill-rivet-etc
> once.
>
> I am now finishing up the canopy (tip up..a real mans plane canopy ....boy
> will this start a discussion), wiring, panel stuff, FWF and .........Well
> lets just say it will be done when it is done.
>
> Again welcome, happy building, and I can't wait to read your email advice
> to
> a newby! It will come sooner than you think. Oh ya never ever give up your
> dream!
>
> Frank @ SGU and SLC..........
>
>
>>From: Bill & Debbie Settle <billsettle@peoplepc.com>
>>To: rv8-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RV8-List: New Builder
>>Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 18:09:50 -0400 (EDT)
>>
>>--> RV8-List message posted by: Bill & Debbie Settle
>><billsettle@peoplepc.com>
>>
>>Hi Everyone,
>>
>>I'm a newby with a couple of newby questions for you. I am starting an
>>RV-8 tail kit this month and am trying to collect the tools I think I'll
>>need. I have been looking at the Roper Whitney compound hand rivet
>>squeezer at Aircraft Tool Supply, as well as Cleaveland A/C Tool's "The
>>Main Squeeze". Both are about the same cost. Does anyone have any
>>opinions on them...? Also, can someone recommend a pneumatic squeezer and
>>are they necessary? Any other advice anyone could provide on anything
>>would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Bill Settle
>>
>>________________________________________
>>PeoplePC Online
>>A better way to Internet
>>http://www.peoplepc.com
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:03:31 PM PST US
> From: scott bilinski <rv8a2001@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: What cars w/L67?
>
> Sorry wrong list!!!!
>
> scott bilinski <rv8a2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
> What cars did the L-67 supercharged come in? Having a hard time
> locating one
> when I dont know what car they came in.
>
> Thanks
> Scott
>
>
> Scott Bilinski
> RV-8a
> cell 858-395-5094
> ---------------------------------
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
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>
> Time: 06:29:39 PM PST US
> From: "dick martin" <martin@gbonline.com>
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Builder
>
> --> RV8-List message posted by: "dick martin" <martin@gbonline.com>
>
> Bill,
> BUY THE ONE FROM CLEVELAND.
> Also buy only Cleveland or Avery dies.
> I tried all of them and ended up selling the others at the OSH flea
> market.
> Dick Martin
> RV8 N233M
> the fast one
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill & Debbie Settle" <billsettle@peoplepc.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 5:09 PM
> Subject: RV8-List: New Builder
>
>
>> --> RV8-List message posted by: Bill & Debbie Settle
>> <billsettle@peoplepc.com>
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I'm a newby with a couple of newby questions for you. I am starting an
>> RV-8 tail kit this month and am trying to collect the tools I think I'll
>> need. I have been looking at the Roper Whitney compound hand rivet
>> squeezer at Aircraft Tool Supply, as well as Cleaveland A/C Tool's "The
>> Main Squeeze". Both are about the same cost. Does anyone have any
>> opinions on them...? Also, can someone recommend a pneumatic squeezer
>> and
>> are they necessary? Any other advice anyone could provide on anything
>> would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bill Settle
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> PeoplePC Online
>> A better way to Internet
>> http://www.peoplepc.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:09:04 PM PST US
> From: Steve Eberhart <steve@newtech.com>
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Builder
>
> --> RV8-List message posted by: Steve Eberhart <steve@newtech.com>
>
> Dan wrote:
>
>> Bill,,,
>> Lots of advise is comming I'm sure, and it's all good.
>> As for me I bought a pheumatic squeezer right off and still don't have
>> a hand squeeze, as of yet I havn't needed the hand tool but I'm
>> thinking about buying one. it has to also fit the same yokes as the
>> standard pheumatic
>> Welcome to the club
>> Dan
>> -8
>> finishing tail soon,.,
>> Ssnohomish WA
>
> I am finishing the fuselage kit and ready to order the finishing kit for
> my RV-7A. Still only have the pneumatic squeezer, bought from Avery,
> and don't have a hand squeezer.
>
> Steve Eberhart
> RV-7A, canoe flipped and ready to order the finishing kit
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:14:24 PM PST US
> From: "John Porter" <december29@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Builder
>
> --> RV8-List message posted by: "John Porter" <december29@bellsouth.net>
>
> Bill,
> As the slowest RV-8 builder in the world (80002, yep, lots of zeros but
> almost done.........no, really) I feel qualified to comment. I would
> like
> to throw in my 2 cents for a pneumatic squeezer. They are not required, a
> buddy and I are both building -8's in his shop, but we have commented to
> each other that we should have gotten one to save time. You use it and
> then
> can sell it for probably not much less than you paid for it. In riveting
> 4
> wings, 27 ailerons, 11 tail pieces.............okay, I'm exaggerating, but
> there were times where you thought you would end up with Popeye forearms.
> Now the guys that want you to smelt the kit out of ore will disagree. But
> to be totally honest, I bought a bunch of crap that people said I "needed"
> to have that I used maybe once (or not at all).
> Having a pneumatic squeezer is like having a really great looking
> wife.
> Sure it's not necessary, but in the end, you'll be really happy you had
> one.
> Okay, philosophy was not my major, but it seems right. Bill, have fun
> with
> the kit and build it faster than me (10 years, 4 years of building is a
> long
> time...........my "G" tolerance has gone from over 7 to about 2........
>
> Later,
>
> John
> december29@bellsouth.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill & Debbie Settle" <billsettle@peoplepc.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 6:09 PM
> Subject: RV8-List: New Builder
>
>
>> --> RV8-List message posted by: Bill & Debbie Settle
>> <billsettle@peoplepc.com>
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I'm a newby with a couple of newby questions for you. I am starting an
>> RV-8 tail kit this month and am trying to collect the tools I think I'll
>> need. I have been looking at the Roper Whitney compound hand rivet
>> squeezer at Aircraft Tool Supply, as well as Cleaveland A/C Tool's "The
>> Main Squeeze". Both are about the same cost. Does anyone have any
>> opinions on them...? Also, can someone recommend a pneumatic squeezer
>> and
>> are they necessary? Any other advice anyone could provide on anything
>> would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bill Settle
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> PeoplePC Online
>> A better way to Internet
>> http://www.peoplepc.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
> ____________________________________
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>
> Time: 08:12:35 PM PST US
> From: "Dick DeCramer" <diesel@rconnect.com>
> Subject: RV8-List: RV8 List- New Builder
>
> --> RV8-List message posted by: "Dick DeCramer" <diesel@rconnect.com>
>
> Bill,
>
> I have built a slow build RV6, rebuilt an RV4 wreck, and am now starting
> an
> RV8. The rivet tools I have are an Avery 3X rivet gun, and an Avery hand
> squeezer with a 3" yoke and rivet dies from either Avery or Cleaveland
> Tool
> ( can't remember which one.), and a standard "C" frame rivet unit. I
> still
> don't have a pneumatic squeezer.
> I probably won't buy one although I would buy one if the urge appears but
> it is really unnecessary although I am sure you will get a lot builders
> telling you it is a must item but that is the nature of tools. You cannot
> complete the project without the manual squeezer, the rivet gun and a good
> selection of dies and bucking bars so put your money there first. Most of
> your rivets will be 3/32" which can be set very easily with almost
> anything. The 1/8" rivets take a little "oomph" to set but it is not all
> that bad. Rather than spend $300 on a pneumatic squeezer buy a right
> angle
> drill which really comes in handy during later fuselage work. In addition
> to these tools, I have a belt sander, bench grinder with a 6" Scotchbrite
> wheel, a band saw, and a drill press. BTW I have used three hand
> squeezers, an Avery which I own, a "Tatco" and another unknown brand...the
> one I prefer is the Tatco as it is a fine, well built tool, even though it
> is a simple squeezer, it does operate very smoothly and squeezes with
> little effort. It's like comparing Milwaukee or Dewalt to Black & Decker.
>
>
> Dick DeCramer
> N500DD RV6 Slide
> 0-320 Hart. C/S prop
> 2 yrs and 160 hrs of great flying, Keep working!!!
> diesel@rconnect.com
>
>
>
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