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1. 04:45 AM - Re: Wheel fairings (Bruce Smith)
2. 05:30 AM - Re: New Lyc Motors (Steven Jackson)
3. 06:43 AM - Re: New Lyc Motors (flyv35b)
4. 12:00 PM - Re: Wheel fairings (TeamGrumman@AOL.COM)
5. 12:02 PM - Re: New Lyc Motors (TeamGrumman@AOL.COM)
6. 05:53 PM - Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 09/19/05 (neitalibelle@AOL.COM)
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Bruce Smith" <bruce.smith@york.com>
Would it be a pain to design, or are there no benefits from enclosing it?
Bruce
TeamGrumman@aol.com said the following on 9/19/2005 10:46 PM:
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>In a message dated 9/19/05 11:45:43 AM, bruce.smith@york.com writes:
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>>If you do decide to create Team Grumman wheel fairings, will you be
>>designing a fairing to enclose the nosewheel strut?
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>no
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Steven Jackson" <steven.jackson@ssinternet.net>
Would they still mount on their similar size engine mounts, i.e. are these
things designed to be an alternative to a stock O-360 or O-540? I'm
assuming that if all they did was make the cylinder bore bigger, that the
rough dimensions of the engines would be similar to the original sizes,
right?
--the Neighborhood I work in is on a hill in Stead. Had a great view all
week for all the qualifiers and then on Thurs/Fri. When the T-Birds
performed on Friday, I don't think any work got done in the whole
neighborhood for about 30 minutes...
Steven
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In a message dated 9/19/05 9:39:10 PM, steven.jackson@ssinternet.net writes:
> Looks like they had two-an O-390 and an O-580.=A0 Talked to the
marketing=20guy
> and he said that they achieved the bigger displacement with a bigger bore.
> Not that it helps us with certified airplanes, but thought it was
> interesting that Lyc finally started thinking more (albeit still sluggish)
> innovatively.
>
I talked to Ken Tunnell at LyCon about these engines almost a year ago. I
wanted to know if the bigger barrels could be put on the parallel valve
engines. Nope. Not enough room. But, he's looking into it.
Gary
PS. I was at Reno this weekend. It's nice to be just 2 hours away.
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>> Looks like they had two-an O-390 and an O-580.=A0 Talked to the
>> marketing=20guy
>> and he said that they achieved the bigger displacement with a bigger
>> bore.
>> Not that it helps us with certified airplanes, but thought it was
>> interesting that Lyc finally started thinking more (albeit still
>> sluggish)
>> innovatively.
>>
>
> I talked to Ken Tunnell at LyCon about these engines almost a year ago.
> I
> wanted to know if the bigger barrels could be put on the parallel valve
> engines. Nope. Not enough room. But, he's looking into it.
>
> Gary
> PS. I was at Reno this weekend. It's nice to be just 2 hours away.
>
Guess I should have got ahold of you Gary so we could have hooked up as I
was also at Reno for 4 days.
I talked to the Lycoming people a bit and looked at their display engines.
Right now the new 390 and 580 cubic inch engines are for experimental planes
only. Lycoming has recognized that there is a lot of profit potential in
that market and they are trying to be a part of it. The 390 engine will use
the same crankshaft as the 360 and therefore the cylinder spacing remains
the same. They are using the angle valved cylinder design with a larger
bore (about 5.5") to get the 390 cu. in. This required new mounting bolt
spacing and internal wrenching nuts due to tighter clearances. The
compression ratio is increased to 8.7:1 as it now is on the IO-360 engines
and they have designed induction tubes that are more of a tuned system than
previously. The engines also use their new roller tappet cams, which will
be used pretty much across the board on all the engines. Rated power of the
390 is 210 hp at 2700 rpm.
Who knows of this engine will be certified in the future. Very likely after
they get a couple of years of field experience with it. But it doesn't look
like the existing 360 cases will be able to be modified to 390 cubic inch
configuration.
Cliff A&P/IA
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Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: New Lyc Motors
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> In a message dated 9/19/05 9:39:10 PM, steven.jackson@ssinternet.net
> writes:
>
>
>> Looks like they had two-an O-390 and an O-580.=A0 Talked to the
>> marketing=20guy
>> and he said that they achieved the bigger displacement with a bigger
>> bore.
>> Not that it helps us with certified airplanes, but thought it was
>> interesting that Lyc finally started thinking more (albeit still
>> sluggish)
>> innovatively.
>>
>
> I talked to Ken Tunnell at LyCon about these engines almost a year ago.
> I
> wanted to know if the bigger barrels could be put on the parallel valve
> engines. Nope. Not enough room. But, he's looking into it.
>
> Gary
> PS. I was at Reno this weekend. It's nice to be just 2 hours away.
>
>
>
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In a message dated 9/20/05 4:46:01 AM, bruce.smith@york.com writes:
> Would it be a pain to design, or are there no benefits from enclosing it?
>
>
There isn't anything wrong with the nose strut having the little v fairing.
Anytime you start wrapping things in things, it traps moisture and causes
corrosion. The current nose strut/fairing is simple. We want simple.
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In a message dated 9/20/05 5:30:54 AM, steven.jackson@ssinternet.net writes:
> Would they still mount on their similar size engine mounts, i.e.=A0 are these
> things designed to be an alternative to a stock O-360 or O-540?=A0 I'm
> assuming that if all they did was make the cylinder bore bigger, that the
> rough dimensions of the engines would be similar to the original sizes,
> right?
>
It's an angle valve engine like the IO360C1C. Still the same (basically)
block.
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| Subject: | Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 09/19/05 |
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: neitalibelle@aol.com
Bob, did talk to the Lycoming folks and sure would have liked to have put that
display engine in my Tiger, but not willing to go Experimental.
Hope to see you at the AYA fly-in, Santa Clara, end of October to see the Grumman
C-1A and visit the aviation museum.
Neita Montague, AYA Area Coordinator
Tiger 311TA at Reno, NV
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Total Messages Posted Mon 09/19/05: 8
Today's Message Index:
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1. 11:07 AM - last annual (TeamGrumman@aol.com)
2. 11:39 AM - Wheel fairings (Bruce Smith)
3. 03:12 PM - Re: Wheel fairings (Anna3003@AOL.COM)
4. 06:45 PM - Re: Wheel fairings (linn walters)
5. 07:46 PM - Re: Wheel fairings (TeamGrumman@AOL.COM)
6. 09:38 PM - New Lyc Motors (Steven Jackson)
7. 11:13 PM - Re: Wheel fairings (Steve Roberts)
8. 11:16 PM - Re: New Lyc Motors (TeamGrumman@AOL.COM)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 11:07:33 AM PST US
From: TeamGrumman@aol.com
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: last annual
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
no, not THE last annual.
I just finished an annual on a 92 Tiger. New mags had been installed a few
weeks earlier. New harness too. The harness was installed upside down.
Now, I have seen a LOT of really LAZY workmanship, but this was just plain
stupid. All of the top plugs had the bottom wires, etc. The big problem was,
the wires were stretched so tight and routed to so poorly, that it chafed
through the new harness for #2 & #4 bottom plugs so that they were not even
firing.
Plus, the timing was at least 35 BTDC.
That aside, ..... Lots of really bad design decisions in the AG5B.
Gary
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 11:39:59 AM PST US
From: "Bruce Smith" <bruce.smith@york.com>
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Wheel fairings
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Bruce Smith" <bruce.smith@york.com>
Gary,
If you do decide to create Team Grumman wheel fairings, will you be
designing a fairing to enclose the nosewheel strut?
Bruce Smith
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 03:12:50 PM PST US
From: Anna3003@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Wheel fairings
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Anna3003@aol.com
Gary, if you do design wheel fairings, PLEASE make it simple to inflate the
tires without removing them. I can't be the only person whho has problems with
this
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 06:45:16 PM PST US
From: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Wheel fairings
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
There is a rather simple solution to the 'wheel pant problem'. However,
it comes with some caveats.
First caveat: The tube must have a 90 degree stem. .... this points
the stem parallel to the axle.
Second caveat: The wheel pant must have a hole drilled in it.
Third caveat: You must be precise when you put in the hole, or the hole
grows in size as you make IT fit.
IT? IT is a stem extender, commonly used on dual tire setups. Place a
paint line on the tire to help you align the stem with the hole. After
all that, it's really easy: line up the mark (however you want that to
be) and screw on the extender. Fill the tire. Remove the extender and
put the cap back on. Go fly.
Linn
do not archive
Anna3003@aol.com wrote:
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>Gary, if you do design wheel fairings, PLEASE make it simple to inflate the
>tires without removing them. I can't be the only person whho has problems with
> this
>
>
>
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________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 07:46:51 PM PST US
From: TeamGrumman@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Wheel fairings
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
In a message dated 9/19/05 11:45:43 AM, bruce.smith@york.com writes:
> If you do decide to create Team Grumman wheel fairings, will you be
> designing a fairing to enclose the nosewheel strut?
>
no
________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Time: 09:38:31 PM PST US
From: "Steven Jackson" <steven.jackson@ssinternet.net>
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: New Lyc Motors
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Steven Jackson" <steven.jackson@ssinternet.net>
Did anyone take a look at the new Lycoming experimental motors this weekend
at Reno?
Looks like they had two-an O-390 and an O-580. Talked to the marketing guy
and he said that they achieved the bigger displacement with a bigger bore.
Not that it helps us with certified airplanes, but thought it was
interesting that Lyc finally started thinking more (albeit still sluggish)
innovatively.
Steven Jackson
'75 AA-1B (O-320)
B08
Fernley, NV
________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
Time: 11:13:16 PM PST US
From: "Steve Roberts" <aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Wheel fairings
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Steve Roberts" <aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
I have the DMA pants. The holes were already there and the stems on the
mains are not 90 degrees. I put an extention on my airhose for my airtank
like they have at the truck stops. I can reach in pretty well to the stem.
When I bought the plane the stems had a plastic cap on the valve. It took
some time to get the caps off with needle nose pliers. So once off I pitched
them as I knew getting them back on would be impossible short of removing
the wheel pant. As for marking the tires, I 1st had marked the outside of
the tire when the stem was aligned with the hole. I then realized the mark
really needs to be on the inside as that is the side of the tire you can see
when pulling the plane by the prop. So now I have a white dot painted on the
tire both sides for when the stem is aligned with the hole. It really helps.
On the nose wheel I put the mark on as well indicating the alignment of the
stem. The stem is of the 90 degree type here and the same airhose extention
works as well. BTW I use an air gauge with the same long head on it for
pressure checking. I am able to reach in and put the cap on and off with the
90 degree stem here though. It's not the plastic type but a metal one that
is no knurled but hex shaped so I can put a socket & extention on it and
finger tight comes right on and off.
unless you've made other plans, have a great day...
Steve Roberts
AA-1B N9664L @ ILG
There is a rather simple solution to the 'wheel pant problem'. However,
it comes with some caveats.
First caveat: The tube must have a 90 degree stem. .... this points
the stem parallel to the axle.
Second caveat: The wheel pant must have a hole drilled in it.
Third caveat: You must be precise when you put in the hole, or the hole
grows in size as you make IT fit.
IT? IT is a stem extender, commonly used on dual tire setups. Place a
paint line on the tire to help you align the stem with the hole. After
all that, it's really easy: line up the mark (however you want that to
be) and screw on the extender. Fill the tire. Remove the extender and
put the cap back on. Go fly.
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
Time: 11:16:00 PM PST US
From: TeamGrumman@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: New Lyc Motors
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
In a message dated 9/19/05 9:39:10 PM, steven.jackson@ssinternet.net writes:
> Looks like they had two-an O-390 and an O-580.=A0 Talked to the
marketing=20guy
> and he said that they achieved the bigger displacement with a bigger bore.
> Not that it helps us with certified airplanes, but thought it was
> interesting that Lyc finally started thinking more (albeit still sluggish)
> innovatively.
>
I talked to Ken Tunnell at LyCon about these engines almost a year ago. I
wanted to know if the bigger barrels could be put on the parallel valve
engines. Nope. Not enough room. But, he's looking into it.
Gary
PS. I was at Reno this weekend. It's nice to be just 2 hours away.
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