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0. 12:37 AM - Please Support The Lists... (Matt Dralle)
1. 03:58 AM - Re: It was fun while it lasted. FAA to charge for "free" charts (Doug Doty)
2. 06:03 AM - Headliner (923te)
3. 08:52 AM - Re: It was fun while it lasted. FAA to charge for "free" charts (Linn Walters)
4. 09:25 AM - Re: Re: It was fun while it lasted. FAA to charge for "free" charts (Linn Walters)
5. 09:50 AM - Re: Re: It was fun while it lasted. FAA to charge for "free" charts (Gary Vogt)
6. 09:52 AM - Re: Headliner (Gary Vogt)
7. 09:58 AM - Re: Headliner (923te)
8. 10:23 AM - Re: Headliner (Gary Vogt)
9. 10:51 AM - Re: Re: It was fun while it lasted. FAA to charge for "free" charts (Dj Merrill)
10. 11:11 AM - Re: loose parts and drag (923te)
11. 11:22 AM - Re: loose parts and drag (Linn Walters)
12. 11:36 AM - Re: loose parts and drag (923te)
13. 07:01 PM - Re: loose parts and drag (Gary Vogt)
14. 07:07 PM - Re: loose parts and drag (Gary Vogt)
15. 08:28 PM - Re: loose parts and drag (Brock Windsor)
16. 08:51 PM - Re: loose parts and drag (Brian Hausknecht)
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| Subject: | Re: It was fun while it lasted. FAA to charge for "free" |
charts
As I read, the biggest impact is actually on the folks like Foreflight, WingXand
likely Adventure Pilot's IFLY 700 as they actually have no cost in the raw
data they are gathering and repackaging for sale in their products, so that will
be passed on to their customers as increased cost. I guess it was in fact "
Fun while it lasted " I use foreflight and am considering a switch to WingX
Pro next time and I will continue to pay the higher prices for convienence in
the future. It is hard to justify why these should be provided free while the
cost of such is covered by the tax payers. I just think this cost should be reasonable
and just.
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1977 AA5B N28454, Fuel Totalizer, Lopresti Nose, Red Rudder Cap, 4 cyl. egt, stock
otherwise.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358244#358244
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Gary,
On your headliner replacement, picture from your website below, did you
use anything under the fabric? Any spacer? Any glue, velcro, etc?
Anything on the center 'track'?
Thanks,
Ned
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| Subject: | Re: It was fun while it lasted. FAA to charge for "free" |
charts
On 11/16/2011 11:16 PM, Gary Vogt wrote:
> On one hand, it won't matter to some since they buy the apps like
> Foreflight.
Access to the chart data will be limited to a few companies .... most
likely Garmin and Jepp. Foreflight will probably be directed to get the
data from those that have contracts. So the cost to foreflight goes up
and you know who's going to end up paying the increase.
>
> I guess if it's still cheaper than sectionals, we are still ahead.
Depends on the monopoly ......
>
> It does suck that they can't be free though.
Without easy access to sectionals, most pilots (IMHO) will just use the
last paper chart they bought. This tells me that the FAA is just
positioning themselves for a budget increase and safety isn't really
their directive .... at least for GA. The general public doesn't care
about little planes so we become that pimple on the FAA butt.
But, it isn't over 'till the fat lady sings ..... and she's still
searching for a good song.
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: It was fun while it lasted. FAA to charge for |
"free" charts
On 11/17/2011 6:55 AM, Doug Doty wrote:
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Doug Doty"<39marinette@gmail.com>
>
> As I read, the biggest impact is actually on the folks like Foreflight, WingXand
likely Adventure Pilot's IFLY 700 as they actually have no cost in the raw
data they are gathering and repackaging for sale in their products, so that
will be passed on to their customers as increased cost. I guess it was in fact
" Fun while it lasted " I use foreflight and am considering a switch to WingX
Pro next time and I will continue to pay the higher prices for convienence in
the future. It is hard to justify why these should be provided free while the
cost of such is covered by the tax payers.
I find the comment troubling. That same line of thought could be
applied to 'user fees'. The paper charts have not been free (at least
to me .... I get some from my airline friends) since I got my private.
As I understand it, the proposal is to limit access to the DIGITAL data
online. There is no extra cost associated with the digital data.
However, the proposal is to make the digital data only made available to
companies (as yet unnamed but the list is short) and individual access
denied.
> I just think this cost should be reasonable and just.
I agree, but the same argument could be made for user fees.
Linn
>
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> 1977 AA5B N28454, Fuel Totalizer, Lopresti Nose, Red Rudder Cap, 4 cyl. egt,
stock otherwise.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358244#358244
>
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| Subject: | Re: It was fun while it lasted. FAA to charge for |
"free" charts
now that really sucks.=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Dou
g Doty <39marinette@gmail.com>=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com=0ASent:
Thursday, November 17, 2011 3:55 AM=0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: It wa
s fun while it lasted. FAA to charge for "free" charts=0A=0A--> TeamGrumman
-List message posted by: "Doug Doty" <39marinette@gmail.com>=0A=0AAs I read
, the biggest impact is actually on the folks like Foreflight, WingXand lik
ely Adventure Pilot's IFLY 700- as they actually have no cost in the raw
data they are gathering and repackaging for sale in their products, so that
will be passed on to their customers as increased cost. I guess it was in
fact " Fun while it lasted "- I use foreflight and am considering a switc
h to WingX Pro next time and I will continue to pay the higher prices for c
onvienence in the future. It is hard to justify why these should be provide
d free while the cost of such is covered by the tax payers. I just think th
is cost should be reasonable and just.=0A=0A--------=0A1977 AA5B N28454, Fu
el Totalizer, Lopresti Nose, Red Rudder Cap, 4 cyl. egt, stock otherwise.
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.co
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I used foam.=0A=0AThis is using one sheet of 1/2 inch foam and then 1/8 inc
h of high density foam on top to smooth it out. -I don't mind the ribs sh
owing if it means I save 5 lbs. -You could also use 3/4 inch foam and 1/8
inch on top. -That would hide more of the ribs.=0A=0A=0A________________
________________=0AFrom: 923te <923te@att.net>=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matro
nics.com=0ASent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 6:07 AM=0ASubject: TeamGrumman
-List: Headliner=0A=0A=0A =0AGary,=0AOn your headliner =0Areplacement, pict
ure from your website below, did you use anything under the =0Afabric? Any
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hanks,=0ANed
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I removed 4-lbs of foam. The factory couldn't find the right kind of light w
eight
Foam so they used thick heavy stuff. I want to go back light
Thanks
Ned
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 17, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I used foam.
>
> This is using one sheet of 1/2 inch foam and then 1/8 inch of high density
foam on top to smooth it out. I don't mind the ribs showing if it means I s
ave 5 lbs. You could also use 3/4 inch foam and 1/8 inch on top. That woul
d hide more of the ribs.
>
> From: 923te <923te@att.net>
> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 6:07 AM
> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Headliner
>
> Gary,
> On your headliner replacement, picture from your website below, did you us
e anything under the fabric? Any spacer? Any glue, velcro, etc? Anything on t
he center 'track'?
>
> Thanks,
> Ned
>
>
>
>
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you'll need a special oversized bolt for your elevator. -the one you have
is crowding itself out. -Getting a good angle on the ream is a mofo. -
it's tempting to bend stuff out of the way. -the bolt you need ends in -1
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Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 9:56 AM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List:
Headliner=0A=0A=0AI removed 4-lbs of foam. The factory couldn't find the ri
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foam.=0A>=0A>=0A>This is using one sheet of 1/2 inch foam and then 1/8 inch
of high density foam on top to smooth it out. -I don't mind the ribs sho
wing if it means I save 5 lbs. -You could also use 3/4 inch foam and 1/8
inch on top. -That would hide more of the ribs.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>__________
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| Subject: | Re: It was fun while it lasted. FAA to charge for |
"free" charts
On 11/17/2011 12:47 PM, Gary Vogt wrote:
> now that really sucks.
Exactly! :-)
There are two issues with their announcement:
1) We are already paying for them to collect the data through our tax
money. An extra charge above and beyond that is essentially another
form of "user fee" in disguise. This is a little disturbing, however
the really bad part is:
2) The really the important point to take away from it is the fact that
individuals will no longer have direct access, and only companies that
have a distribution contract will have access, ie Garmin and Jeppesen.
The people developing WingX and Foreflight will not have direct access,
and will have to pay the exorbitant fees that Garmin and Jeppesen will
charge.
I could suffer with 1) if the cost were reasonable (less than the cost
of the paper version) and if anyone could simply go to the website and
download the data as they can now. I can think of no LEGITIMATE reason
why the downloads should be limited to a few privileged companies.
-Dj
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Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
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| Subject: | Re: loose parts and drag |
I'm more interested in the aerodynamics. I assume if I could leave the elev
ators offset then it will have less drag than if I fix the loose parts.
That's what I am wondering about
Same question on the nose wheel alignment
I m not asking how to fix it. Just what happens with drag when it's fixed
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 17, 2011, at 12:19 PM, Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> you'll need a special oversized bolt for your elevator. the one you have i
s crowding itself out. Getting a good angle on the ream is a mofo. it's te
mpting to bend stuff out of the way. the bolt you need ends in -19x
>
> From: 923te <923te@att.net>
> To: "teamgrumman-list@matronics.com" <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 9:56 AM
> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Headliner
>
> I removed 4-lbs of foam. The factory couldn't find the right kind of light
weight
> Foam so they used thick heavy stuff. I want to go back light
>
> Thanks
> Ned
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 17, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I used foam.
>>
>> This is using one sheet of 1/2 inch foam and then 1/8 inch of high densit
y foam on top to smooth it out. I don't mind the ribs showing if it means I
save 5 lbs. You could also use 3/4 inch foam and 1/8 inch on top. That wo
uld hide more of the ribs.
>>
>> From: 923te <923te@att.net>
>> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 6:07 AM
>> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Headliner
>>
>> Gary,
>> On your headliner replacement, picture from your website below, did you u
se anything under the fabric? Any spacer? Any glue, velcro, etc? Anything on
the center 'track'?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ned
>>
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| Subject: | Re: loose parts and drag |
On 11/17/2011 2:08 PM, 923te wrote:
> I'm more interested in the aerodynamics. I assume if I could leave
> the elevators offset then it will have less drag than if I fix the
> loose parts.
I'm concerned that with the loose parts eventually you might get rid of
a lot of drag! :-(
>
> That's what I am wondering about
I think you should wonder what happens without the 'loose parts'.
> Same question on the nose wheel alignment
I'd say that there's less drag with the canted nosewheel. You trade
less drag for tire wear. Don't know where the tradeoff is.
> I m not asking how to fix it. Just what happens with drag when it's fixed
There's really no good answer to the question. If one side is flying
higher than the other then 1/2 the split difference becomes 'neutral'.
The fact that they're split tells me there is more drag that way. Hard
to tell which side has the correct incidence though.
Linn
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
snip!
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| Subject: | Re: loose parts and drag |
Thing is the parts are tight. On the ground the elevator is in neutral alignment.
That is both halves match. It's in the air where they differ. There's some
play and there is an approved fix. No parts are going to fall off
To the air both halves are neutral. That assumption says the aerodynamic forces
"like" the halves to rest unevenly. If the elevator halves are forced backbyo
neutral it seems to me that would create more drag. What say you, mote drag
or not?
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| Subject: | Re: loose parts and drag |
The elevator tips need to be aligned.=0A=0AThe nose gear: -You have no co
ntrol over that. -It will find a neutral pressure.=0A=0A=0A______________
__________________=0A From: 923te <923te@att.net>=0ATo: "teamgrumman-list@m
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=0A=0A-I'm more interested in the aerodynamics. I assume if I could leave
the elevators offset then it will have less drag than if I fix the loose p
arts.-=0A=0AThat's what I am wondering about=0A=0ASame question on the no
se wheel alignment=0AI m not asking how to fix it. Just what happens with d
rag when it's fixed=0A=0A=0ASent from my iPhone=0A=0AOn Nov 17, 2011, at 12
:19 PM, Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A=0A=0Ayou'll need a spec
ial oversized bolt for your elevator. -the one you have is crowding itsel
f out. -Getting a good angle on the ream is a mofo. -it's tempting to b
end stuff out of the way. -the bolt you need ends in -19x=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>
________________________________=0A>From: 923te <923te@att.net>=0A>To: "tea
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foam and 1/8 inch on top. -That would hide more of the ribs.=0A>>=0A>>
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| Subject: | Re: loose parts and drag |
Hold on firmly to the trim tabs, one in each hand. -Try rocking them back
and forth with enough pressure to force the elevator to move. -Conversel
y, hold on to the elevator tip and try to force it to move. -Ideally, hav
e someone with their (there, if you went to school in Utah) hands firmly ar
ound the collar where the bolt is with one finger wrapped around the elevat
or torque tube while you try to move the elevator past up or down. -They'
ll be able to feel a small movement in the joint. -=0A=0AIt's hard for me
to believe they are really different in the air while straight on the grou
nd. -Maybe it's an optical illusion.=0A=0A=0A____________________________
____=0A From: 923te <923te@att.net>=0ATo: "teamgrumman-list@matronics.com"
<teamgrumman-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 11:33
AM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: loose parts and drag=0A =0A--> TeamGru
mman-List message posted by: 923te <923te@att.net>=0A=0AThing is the parts
are tight. On the ground the elevator is in neutral alignment. That is both
halves match. It's in the air where they differ. There's some play and the
re is an approved fix. No parts are going to fall off=0A=0ATo the air both
halves are neutral. That assumption says the aerodynamic forces "like" the
halves to rest unevenly. If the elevator halves- are forced backbyo neutr
al it seems to me that would create more drag. What say you, mote drag or n
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| Subject: | Re: loose parts and drag |
Hey Ned, I can help you play with your elevator this weekend.
Brock
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 9:04 PM CST Gary Vogt wrote:
>Hold on firmly to the trim tabs, one in each hand. Try rocking them back and forth
with enough pressure to force the elevator to move. Conversely, hold on to
the elevator tip and try to force it to move. Ideally, have someone with their
(there, if you went to school in Utah) hands firmly around the collar where
the bolt is with one finger wrapped around the elevator torque tube while you
try to move the elevator past up or down. They'll be able to feel a small movement
in the joint.
>
>It's hard for me to believe they are really different in the air while straight
on the ground. Maybe it's an optical illusion.
>
>
>________________________________
> From: 923te <923te@att.net>
>To: "teamgrumman-list@matronics.com" <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 11:33 AM
>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: loose parts and drag
>
>
>Thing is the parts are tight. On the ground the elevator is in neutral alignment.
That is both halves match. It's in the air where they differ. There's some
play and there is an approved fix. No parts are going to fall off
>
>To the air both halves are neutral. That assumption says the aerodynamic forces
"like" the halves to rest unevenly. If the elevator halves are forced backbyo
neutral it seems to me that would create more drag. What say you, mote drag
or n=
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"Ideally, have someone with their (there, if you went to school in Utah) hands
firmly around the collar..."
And where did YOU go to school? "Ideally have someone with his or her hands..."
There, there...I know it hurts...
Brian Hausknecht
bhauskne@gmail.com
www.brianflys.net
www.brianflys.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Brock Windsor <n2_narcosis@yahoo.com>
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Hey Ned, I can help you play with your elevator this weekend.
Brock
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 9:04 PM CST Gary Vogt wrote:
>Hold on firmly to the trim tabs, one in each hand. Try rocking them back and forth
with enough pressure to force the elevator to move. Conversely, hold on to
the elevator tip and try to force it to move. Ideally, have someone with their
(there, if you went to school in Utah) hands firmly around the collar where
the bolt is with one finger wrapped around the elevator torque tube while you
try to move the elevator past up or down. They'll be able to feel a small movement
in the joint.
>
>It's hard for me to believe they are really different in the air while straight
on the ground. Maybe it's an optical illusion.
>
>
>________________________________
> From: 923te <923te@att.net>
>To: "teamgrumman-list@matronics.com" <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 11:33 AM
>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: loose parts and drag
>
>
>Thing is the parts are tight. On the ground the elevator is in neutral alignment.
That is both halves match. It's in the air where they differ. There's some
play and there is an approved fix. No parts are going to fall off
>
>To the air both halves are neutral. That assumption says the aerodynamic forces
"like" the halves to rest unevenly. If the elevator halves are forced backbyo
neutral it seems to me that would create more drag. What say you, mote drag
or n=
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