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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Christian Arvizo" <xesz50@hotmail.com>
I have a Both the cdx-c90 and the xdp-4000, but have yet to hook them up, I
will be using the digital hookup on it, do I still need to run a set of
patch cords up to the front? Sounds like a stupid question, but I was
looking in the manual, and on the diagram, and that was how it was setup on
it. Plus I would like to run a cd changer along with the system. Do I
still need to run a set of Patch cords up to the BUS IMPUTS on the head
unit? Please Help
Christian Arvizo
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>Subject: XDP4000X-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/29/03
>Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:58:15 -0700
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> 1. 04:30 AM - Re: Firmware for XDP-4000X ? (Scott Thibault)
> 2. 10:16 AM - Re: CDx-C90 XDP-4000x XM-7557 (Scott Thibault)
> 3. 10:19 AM - Sony Reference Speakers (Scott Thibault)
> 4. 01:15 PM - Re: CDx-C90 XDP-4000x XM-7557 (Bobby Braun)
> 5. 02:02 PM - Re: Sony Reference Speakers (Sqxpert@aol.com)
> 6. 02:04 PM - Re: CDx-C90 XDP-4000x XM-7557 (Sqxpert@aol.com)
> 7. 05:06 PM - Re: CDx-C90 XDP-4000x XM-7557 (Randy Visentine)
>
>
>________________________________ Message 1
>_____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 04:30:39 AM PST US
>From: Scott Thibault <tbone7467@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Firmware for XDP-4000X ?
>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Scott Thibault <tbone7467@yahoo.com>
>
>the CDX-C90 has not been discontinued in japan it is still a option to
>consumers.
>just as the reference speakers are still avail in european countries. The
>decision
>to discontinue the CDX-C90 and the XDP-4000x in the US was most likely
>due to poor sales. The car audiophile market is most likely a small niche
>market
>at best. Most people would rather spend that kind of money on nice home
>system
>then put it into a car. here is the link to the C90 (scroll to the bottom)
>and a really cool navigation (on its own page) unit that sony has
>developed:
>
>http://www.sony.jp/products/me/contents/caraudio/1din.html
>
>As for the 4000x that definitely has disappeared from the market with the
>introduction
>Xplod's EQ7 and DSO features.
>
>dy Visentine <jvisentine@yahoo.com> wrote:
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Randy Visentine
>
>I think as far a Sony is concerned, the XDP4000x and
>C-90 are just a peice of their history - they have
>moved on LONG ago and forgotten about "us" - the
>mobile audiophiles. We are stuck with what we have -
>well Phatbox has gratiously added ONE option for us,
>but nothing new will happen to this top-notch set-up.
>
>Oh well, once these units get old and start to have
>major problems, I will just go to Alpine's F-1 since
>Sony doesn't support our kind of products anymore. Do
>they miss us? Not for a second...Xplod is probably
>much more profitable for them.
>
>Later
>
>Randy Visentine
>Audiophile/Musician/Crazy Guy
>C90/XDP4000x
>C910/XDP210EQ
>
>
>--- Roland M wrote:
> > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M"
> >
> >
> > While it might seem possible at the same time it
> > might not be possible. To
> > be upgradeable the firmware in the XDP would have to
> > be on flash ROM or
> > something similar. It may be that the firmware is
> > on permanent hardware and
> > not changeable without actually changing out chips
> > in the unit.
> >
> > However, even assuming it was flash upgradeable, I
> > don't think there has
> > ever been any updates released to the general public
> > or otherwise--though I
> > could be wrong.
> >
> > Roland M.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Dick Brussee"
> > >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
> > >To:
> > >Subject: XDP4000X-List: Firmware for XDP-4000X ?
> > >Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 18:32:56 +0200
> > >
> > >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Dick Brussee"
> >
> > >
> > >Hello XDP-heads,
> > >
> > >Does anybody know if there are any firmware updates
> > for the XDP-4000X. It
> > >must be possible to do this, because it has a
> > RS-232 port on it. I also own
> > >a TAE-9000ES home digital preamp and I have
> > upgraded it form version 1.10c
> > >to 1.18c , 2.01c and finally to version 2.50. It
> > sounds better and has more
> > >functionality. So I hope Sony has the same for the
> > XDP-4000X.
> > >
> > >Dick Brussee
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/archives
> >
> >
>
>
>__________________________________
>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>________________________________ Message 2
>_____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 10:16:45 AM PST US
>From: Scott Thibault <tbone7467@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: CDx-C90 XDP-4000x XM-7557
>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Scott Thibault <tbone7467@yahoo.com>
>
>if I got a seperate amp for the tweeters would I gain anything by not using
>the
>supplied crossover for the components?? does anyone use the crossover that
>comes
>with their components with the 4000x? what type of speakers should I
>conside
>for my rear?
>
>Roland M <mdx400@hotmail.com> wrote:--> XDP4000X-List message posted by:
>"Roland
>M"
>
> >I recently got my CDX-C90 deck for my XDP-4000x (neither of which have
>been
> >installed yet). I am wondering If there is anything I need to know before
> >leeping into this project. I will be running the Sony XM-7557 amp with
>the
> >combo and was wondering if I should purchase a another smaller amp to run
> >my tweeters that way I dont have to run another crossover for my mids a
> >tweets. I have the same amp that was in that Ferrari that some one posted
> >the link to on this forum.
> >
>If you want to keep the full digital domain crossover (which would be
>better) then I think you would be better off getting another amp to bi-amp
>the front components. An XM-7527 (I THINK that is the model #) would be a
>perfect match. Same amp design just in the two channel model.
>
> >I noticed that a couple of people have the Phatbox. I was wondering if it
> >supports DVD?? this would save me a lot of money on a DVD and CD changer.
> >if it does not does anyone have any inside info on when it might?? I
>think
> >the concept is really cool for the unit why they choose to not add DVD to
> >it is beyond me. Since everybody is moving to stored media anyway why not
> >they would have a hugh market share. I mean really look at how expensive
> >the sony DVD changer is. The phatbox is way more versitile. supports way
> >more formats and can adapt to the market through software upgrades unlike
> >the C90 and MP3.
>
>As for the PhatBox, as far as I thought it was a hard drive, not a disc
>player. Therefore it wouldn't support DVDs as it has no disc drive in it!
>I don't think it will ever support DVDs unless they make a new unit with a
>DVD drive in it and a video output. I think this is beyond what the PhatBox
>people are looking to do. They just want to make HDDs that store MP3s
>pretty much, not DVD players.
>
>Roland M.
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>________________________________ Message 3
>_____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 10:19:04 AM PST US
>From: Scott Thibault <tbone7467@yahoo.com>
>Subject: XDP4000X-List: Sony Reference Speakers
>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Scott Thibault <tbone7467@yahoo.com>
>
>Has anyone had a chance to listen to these?? what do you think of them?? I
>have
>a chance to get a set but am wondering if they are worth the money. I
>definitely
>can not afford the tweeters that is for sure
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>________________________________ Message 4
>_____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 01:15:32 PM PST US
>From: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun@comcast.net>
>Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: CDx-C90 XDP-4000x XM-7557
>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun@comcast.net>
>
>As I understand, by skipping any passive crossovers inline with your front
>components, you should gain about +6 db of headroom in your music. I
>cannot
>back this up, this is just something I heard, I actually use passive
>crossovers, since I only run a 3 way system. Honestly I'm happy with what
>I'm using, but am curious about what the sound difference would be.
>Anyways, if possible, I would suggest not using the crossovers that came
>with your components, just use the 4000x. The only reason I don't is
>because my amps are too large to all fit, I just ran out of room.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Scott Thibault" <tbone7467@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: CDx-C90 XDP-4000x XM-7557
>
>
> > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Scott Thibault
><tbone7467@yahoo.com>
> >
> > if I got a seperate amp for the tweeters would I gain anything by not
>using the supplied crossover for the components?? does anyone use the
>crossover that comes with their components with the 4000x? what type of
>speakers should I conside for my rear?
> >
> > Roland M <mdx400@hotmail.com> wrote:--> XDP4000X-List message posted by:
>"Roland M"
> >
> > >I recently got my CDX-C90 deck for my XDP-4000x (neither of which have
>been
> > >installed yet). I am wondering If there is anything I need to know
>before
> > >leeping into this project. I will be running the Sony XM-7557 amp with
>the
> > >combo and was wondering if I should purchase a another smaller amp to
>run
> > >my tweeters that way I dont have to run another crossover for my mids a
> > >tweets. I have the same amp that was in that Ferrari that some one
>posted
> > >the link to on this forum.
> > >
> > If you want to keep the full digital domain crossover (which would be
> > better) then I think you would be better off getting another amp to
>bi-amp
> > the front components. An XM-7527 (I THINK that is the model #) would be
>a
> > perfect match. Same amp design just in the two channel model.
> >
> > >I noticed that a couple of people have the Phatbox. I was wondering if
>it
> > >supports DVD?? this would save me a lot of money on a DVD and CD
>changer.
> > >if it does not does anyone have any inside info on when it might?? I
>think
> > >the concept is really cool for the unit why they choose to not add DVD
>to
> > >it is beyond me. Since everybody is moving to stored media anyway why
>not
> > >they would have a hugh market share. I mean really look at how
>expensive
> > >the sony DVD changer is. The phatbox is way more versitile. supports
>way
> > >more formats and can adapt to the market through software upgrades
>unlike
> > >the C90 and MP3.
> >
> > As for the PhatBox, as far as I thought it was a hard drive, not a disc
> > player. Therefore it wouldn't support DVDs as it has no disc drive in
>it!
> > I don't think it will ever support DVDs unless they make a new unit with
>a
> > DVD drive in it and a video output. I think this is beyond what the
>PhatBox
> > people are looking to do. They just want to make HDDs that store MP3s
> > pretty much, not DVD players.
> >
> > Roland M.
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
>
>
>________________________________ Message 5
>_____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 02:02:59 PM PST US
>From: Sqxpert@aol.com
>Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Sony Reference Speakers
>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Sqxpert@aol.com
>
>i have never seen them , any links?
>
>
>tim koehle
>
>
>________________________________ Message 6
>_____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 02:04:25 PM PST US
>From: Sqxpert@aol.com
>Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: CDx-C90 XDP-4000x XM-7557
>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Sqxpert@aol.com
>
>i think you have some flexability in using the 4kx , if it doesn work well
>for you , you can allways go back to the passives
>
>
>tim koehle
>
>
>________________________________ Message 7
>_____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 05:06:15 PM PST US
>From: Randy Visentine <jvisentine@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: CDx-C90 XDP-4000x XM-7557
>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Randy Visentine <jvisentine@yahoo.com>
>
>Yup - that is correct.
>
>This happens because the higher frequencies actually
>"Ride On Top" of the larger low frequency waveforms.
>So, you have a 100Hz sine at 50 Watts, and as it
>reaches the peak of it's wave, add another equal
>amplitude sine at say 5KHz, the 5KHz sine will peak
>ABOVE the 100Hz's peak since it is being "Added" to
>it.
>
>Once you actively filter the signal and present the
>amp with a limited bandwidth signal, it can produce
>this dedicated range of frequencies louder, and with
>more control since there are no passive L/C components
>to hinder damping factor at the amp's outputs.
>Passive L/C networks also cause phase issues that the
>XDP will avoid if used to its potential.
>
>Even just bi-amping through my XM-7547 and it's analog
>then adding the XDP-4000x and using it's digital
>crossover and time correction made it down-right
>jaw-dropping!
>
>Do away with those passive crossovers, and BI-AMP.
>You get more volume, better damping factor -
>especially on the tweeter, and a time aligned front
>stage. A no-brainer in my book.
>
>If you don't like the XDP-s crossover selection, use
>the analog crossover in the amp (most amps have one or
>more) to tweak the frequency to your liking. You can
>still use the XDP's time correction as long as you
>bypass the XDP-s crossover by setting the "Slope" to
>"0" which bypasses it, and assuming your amp has
>dedicated inputs with a crossover on each to allow 4
>inputs and a HP/LP crossover.
>
>
>You won't be disappointed, but it does take a bit of
>tweaking on the delays to achieve bliss.
>
>Later,
>
>Randy Visentine
>Audiophile/Musician/Crazy Guy
>C90/XDP4000x
>C910/XDP210EQ
>
>--- Bobby Braun <bobbybraun@comcast.net> wrote:
> > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Bobby Braun"
> > <bobbybraun@comcast.net>
> >
> > As I understand, by skipping any passive crossovers
> > inline with your front
> > components, you should gain about +6 db of headroom
> > in your music. I cannot
> > back this up, this is just something I heard, I
> > actually use passive
> > crossovers, since I only run a 3 way system.
> > Honestly I'm happy with what
> > I'm using, but am curious about what the sound
> > difference would be.
> > Anyways, if possible, I would suggest not using the
> > crossovers that came
> > with your components, just use the 4000x. The only
> > reason I don't is
> > because my amps are too large to all fit, I just ran
> > out of room.
> >
>
>
>__________________________________
>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
>
>
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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: djpbruss@xs4all.nl
Yes, If you want to listen to your tuner.... tuner is analog and needs
those bus inputs....
Dick Brussee
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Christian Arvizo"
> <xesz50@hotmail.com>
>
> I have a Both the cdx-c90 and the xdp-4000, but have yet to hook them up,
> I
> will be using the digital hookup on it, do I still need to run a set of
> patch cords up to the front? Sounds like a stupid question, but I was
> looking in the manual, and on the diagram, and that was how it was setup
> on
> it. Plus I would like to run a cd changer along with the system. Do I
> still need to run a set of Patch cords up to the BUS IMPUTS on the head
> unit? Please Help
>
> Christian Arvizo
>
>
>>From: XDP4000X-List Digest Server <xdp4000x-list-digest@matronics.com>
>>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
>>To: XDP4000X-List Digest List <xdp4000x-list-digest@matronics.com>
>>Subject: XDP4000X-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/29/03
>>Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:58:15 -0700
>>
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>>
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>>formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked
>>Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII
>>version of the XDP4000X-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic
>>text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>>
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>>
>>
>>Today's Message Index:
>>----------------------
>>
>> 1. 04:30 AM - Re: Firmware for XDP-4000X ? (Scott Thibault)
>> 2. 10:16 AM - Re: CDx-C90 XDP-4000x XM-7557 (Scott Thibault)
>> 3. 10:19 AM - Sony Reference Speakers (Scott Thibault)
>> 4. 01:15 PM - Re: CDx-C90 XDP-4000x XM-7557 (Bobby Braun)
>> 5. 02:02 PM - Re: Sony Reference Speakers (Sqxpert@aol.com)
>> 6. 02:04 PM - Re: CDx-C90 XDP-4000x XM-7557 (Sqxpert@aol.com)
>> 7. 05:06 PM - Re: CDx-C90 XDP-4000x XM-7557 (Randy Visentine)
>>
>>
>>________________________________ Message 1
>>_____________________________________
>>
>>
>>Time: 04:30:39 AM PST US
>>From: Scott Thibault <tbone7467@yahoo.com>
>>Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Firmware for XDP-4000X ?
>>
>>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Scott Thibault <tbone7467@yahoo.com>
>>
>>the CDX-C90 has not been discontinued in japan it is still a option to
>>consumers.
>>just as the reference speakers are still avail in european countries. The
>>decision
>>to discontinue the CDX-C90 and the XDP-4000x in the US was most likely
>>due to poor sales. The car audiophile market is most likely a small niche
>>market
>>at best. Most people would rather spend that kind of money on nice home
>>system
>>then put it into a car. here is the link to the C90 (scroll to the
>> bottom)
>>and a really cool navigation (on its own page) unit that sony has
>>developed:
>>
>>http://www.sony.jp/products/me/contents/caraudio/1din.html
>>
>>As for the 4000x that definitely has disappeared from the market with the
>>introduction
>>Xplod's EQ7 and DSO features.
>>
>>dy Visentine <jvisentine@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Randy Visentine
>>
>>I think as far a Sony is concerned, the XDP4000x and
>>C-90 are just a peice of their history - they have
>>moved on LONG ago and forgotten about "us" - the
>>mobile audiophiles. We are stuck with what we have -
>>well Phatbox has gratiously added ONE option for us,
>>but nothing new will happen to this top-notch set-up.
>>
>>Oh well, once these units get old and start to have
>>major problems, I will just go to Alpine's F-1 since
>>Sony doesn't support our kind of products anymore. Do
>>they miss us? Not for a second...Xplod is probably
>>much more profitable for t
> hem.
>>
>>Later
>>
>>Randy Visentine
>>Audiophile/Musician/Crazy Guy
>>C90/XDP4000x
>>C910/XDP210EQ
>>
>>
>>--- Roland M wrote:
>> > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M"
>> >
>> >
>> > While it might seem possible at the same time it
>> > might not be possible. To
>> > be upgradeable the firmware in the XDP would have to
>> > be on flash ROM or
>> > something similar. It may be that the firmware is
>> > on permanent hardware and
>> > not changeable without actually changing out chips
>> > in the unit.
>> >
>> > However, even assuming it was flash upgradeable, I
>> > don't think there has
>> > ever been any updates released to the general public
>> > or otherwise--though I
>> > could be wrong.
>> >
>> > Roland M.
>> >
>> >
>> > >From: "Dick Brussee"
>> > >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
>> > >To:
>> > >Subject: XDP4000X-List: Firmware for XDP-4000X ?
>> > >Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 18:32:56 +0200
>> > >
>> > >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Dick Brussee"
>> >
>> > >
>> > >Hello XDP-heads,
>> > >
>> > >Does anybody know if there are any firmware updates
>> > for the XDP-4000X. It
>> > >must be possible to do this, because it has a
>> > RS-232 port on it. I also own
>> > >a TAE-9000ES home digital preamp and I have
>> > upgraded it form version 1.10c
>> > >to 1.18c , 2.01c and finally to version 2.50. It
>> > sounds better and has more
>> > >functionality. So I hope Sony has the same for the
>> > XDP-4000X.
>> > >
>> > >Dick Brussee
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/archives
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>__________________________________
>>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
>>
>>
>>---------------------------------
>>
>>________________________________ Message 2
>>_____________________________________
>>
>>
>>Time: 10:16:45 AM PST US
>>From: Scott Thibault <tbone7467@yahoo.com>
>>Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: CDx-C90 XDP-4000x XM-7557
>>
>>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Scott Thibault <tbone7467@yahoo.com>
>>
>>if I got a seperate amp for the tweeters would I gain anything by not
>> using
>>the
>>supplied crossover for the components?? does anyone use the crossover
>> that
>>comes
>>with their components with the 4000x? what type of speakers should I
>>conside
>>for my rear?
>>
>>Roland M <mdx400@hotmail.com> wrote:--> XDP4000X-List message posted by:
>>"Roland
>>M"
>>
>> >I recently got my CDX-C90 deck for my XDP-4000x (neither of which have
>>been
>> >installed yet). I am wondering If there is anything I need to know
>> before
>> >leeping into this project. I will be running the Sony XM-7557 amp with
>>the
>> >combo and was wondering if I should purchase a another smaller amp to
>> run
>> >my tweeters that way I dont have to run another crossover for my mids a
>> >tweets. I have the same amp that was in that Ferrari that some one
>> posted
>> >the link to on this forum.
>> >
>>If you want to keep the full digital domain crossover (which would be
>>better) then I think you would be better off getting another amp to
>> bi-amp
>>the front components. An XM-7527 (I THINK that is the model #) would be a
>>perfect match. Same amp design just in the two channel model.
>>
>> >I noticed that a couple of people have the Phatbox. I was wondering if
>> it
>> >supports DVD?? this would save me a lot of money on a DVD and CD
>> changer.
>> >if it does not does anyone have any inside info on when it might?? I
>>think
>> >the concept is really cool for the unit why they choose to not add DVD
>> to
>> >it is beyond me. Since everybody is moving to stored media anyway why
>> not
>> >they would have a hugh market share. I mean really look at how
>> expensive
>> >the sony DVD changer is. The phatbox is way more versitile. supports
>> way
>> >more formats and can adapt to the market through software upgrades
>> unlike
>> >the C90 and MP3.
>>
>>As for the PhatBox, as far as I thought it was a hard drive, not a disc
>>player. Therefore it wouldn't support DVDs as it has no disc drive in it!
>>I don't think it will ever support DVDs unless they make a new unit with
>> a
>>DVD drive in it and a video output. I think this is beyond what the
>> PhatBox
>>people are looking to do. They just want to make HDDs that store MP3s
>>pretty much, not DVD players.
>>
>>Roland M.
>>
>>
>>---------------------------------
>>
>>________________________________ Message 3
>>_____________________________________
>>
>>
>>Time: 10:19:04 AM PST US
>>From: Scott Thibault <tbone7467@yahoo.com>
>>Subject: XDP4000X-List: Sony Reference Speakers
>>
>>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Scott Thibault <tbone7467@yahoo.com>
>>
>>Has anyone had a chance to listen to these?? what do you think of them??
>> I
>>have
>>a chance to get a set but am wondering if they are worth the money. I
>>definitely
>>can not afford the tweeters that is for sure
>>
>>
>>---------------------------------
>>
>>________________________________ Message 4
>>_____________________________________
>>
>>
>>Time: 01:15:32 PM PST US
>>From: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun@comcast.net>
>>Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: CDx-C90 XDP-4000x XM-7557
>>
>>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Bobby Braun"
>> <bobbybraun@comcast.net>
>>
>>As I understand, by skipping any passive crossovers inline with your
>> front
>>components, you should gain about +6 db of headroom in your music. I
>>cannot
>>back this up, this is just something I heard, I actually use passive
>>crossovers, since I only run a 3 way system. Honestly I'm happy with
>> what
>>I'm using, but am curious about what the sound difference would be.
>>Anyways, if possible, I would suggest not using the crossovers that came
>>with your components, just use the 4000x. The only reason I don't is
>>because my amps are too large to all fit, I just ran out of room.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Scott Thibault" <tbone7467@yahoo.com>
>>Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: CDx-C90 XDP-4000x XM-7557
>>
>>
>> > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Scott Thibault
>><tbone7467@yahoo.com>
>> >
>> > if I got a seperate amp for the tweeters would I gain anything by not
>>using the supplied crossover for the components?? does anyone use the
>>crossover that comes with their components with the 4000x? what type of
>>speakers should I conside for my rear?
>> >
>> > Roland M <mdx400@hotmail.com> wrote:--> XDP4000X-List message posted
>> by:
>>"Roland M"
>> >
>> > >I recently got my CDX-C90 deck for my XDP-4000x (neither of which
>> have
>>been
>> > >installed yet). I am wondering If there is anything I need to know
>>before
>> > >leeping into this project. I will be running the Sony XM-7557 amp
>> with
>>the
>> > >combo and was wondering if I should purchase a another smaller amp to
>>run
>> > >my tweeters that way I dont have to run another crossover for my mids
>> a
>> > >tweets. I have the same amp that was in that Ferrari that some one
>>posted
>> > >the link to on this forum.
>> > >
>> > If you want to keep the full digital domain crossover (which would be
>> > better) then I think you would be better off getting another amp to
>>bi-amp
>> > the front components. An XM-7527 (I THINK that is the model #) would
>> be
>>a
>> > perfect match. Same amp design just in the two channel model.
>> >
>> > >I noticed that a couple of people have the Phatbox. I was wondering
>> if
>>it
>> > >supports DVD?? this would save me a lot of money on a DVD and CD
>>changer.
>> > >if it does not does anyone have any inside info on when it might?? I
>>think
>> > >the concept is really cool for the unit why they choose to not add
>> DVD
>>to
>> > >it is beyond me. Since everybody is moving to stored media anyway why
>>not
>> > >they would have a hugh market share. I mean really look at how
>>expensive
>> > >the sony DVD changer is. The phatbox is way more versitile. supports
>>way
>> > >more formats and can adapt to the market through software upgrades
>>unlike
>> > >the C90 and MP3.
>> >
>> > As for the PhatBox, as far as I thought it was a hard drive, not a
>> disc
>> > player. Therefore it wouldn't support DVDs as it has no disc drive in
>>it!
>> > I don't think it will ever support DVDs unless they make a new unit
>> with
>>a
>> > DVD drive in it and a video output. I think this is beyond what the
>>PhatBox
>> > people are looking to do. They just want to make HDDs that store MP3s
>> > pretty much, not DVD players.
>> >
>> > Roland M.
>> >
>> >
>> > ---------------------------------
>> >
>>
>>
>>________________________________ Message 5
>>_____________________________________
>>
>>
>>Time: 02:02:59 PM PST US
>>From: Sqxpert@aol.com
>>Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Sony Reference Speakers
>>
>>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Sqxpert@aol.com
>>
>>i have never seen them , any links?
>>
>>
>>tim koehle
>>
>>
>>________________________________ Message 6
>>_____________________________________
>>
>>
>>Time: 02:04:25 PM PST US
>>From: Sqxpert@aol.com
>>Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: CDx-C90 XDP-4000x XM-7557
>>
>>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Sqxpert@aol.com
>>
>>i think you have some flexability in using the 4kx , if it doesn work
>> well
>>for you , you can allways go back to the passives
>>
>>
>>tim koehle
>>
>>
>>________________________________ Message 7
>>_____________________________________
>>
>>
>>Time: 05:06:15 PM PST US
>>From: Randy Visentine <jvisentine@yahoo.com>
>>Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: CDx-C90 XDP-4000x XM-7557
>>
>>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Randy Visentine
>> <jvisentine@yahoo.com>
>>
>>Yup - that is correct.
>>
>>This happens because the higher frequencies actually
>>"Ride On Top" of the larger low frequency waveforms.
>>So, you have a 100Hz sine at 50 Watts, and as it
>>reaches the peak of it's wave, add another equal
>>amplitude sine at say 5KHz, the 5KHz sine will peak
>>ABOVE the 100Hz's peak since it is being "Added" to
>>it.
>>
>>Once you actively filter the signal and present the
>>amp with a limited bandwidth signal, it can produce
>>this dedicated range of frequencies louder, and with
>>more control since there are no passive L/C components
>>to hinder damping factor at the amp's outputs.
>>Passive L/C networks also cause phase issues that the
>>XDP will avoid if used to its potential.
>>
>>Even just bi-amping through my XM-7547 and it's analog
>>then adding the XDP-4000x and using it's digital
>>crossover and time correction made it down-right
>>jaw-dropping!
>>
>>Do away with those passive crossovers, and BI-AMP.
>>You get more volume, better damping factor -
>>especially on the tweeter, and a time aligned front
>>stage. A no-brainer in my book.
>>
>>If you don't like the XDP-s crossover selection, use
>>the analog crossover in the amp (most amps have one or
>>more) to tweak the frequency to your liking. You can
>>still use the XDP's time correction as long as you
>>bypass the XDP-s crossover by setting the "Slope" to
>>"0" which bypasses it, and assuming your amp has
>>dedicated inputs with a crossover on each to allow 4
>>inputs and a HP/LP crossover.
>>
>>
>>You won't be disappointed, but it does take a bit of
>>tweaking on the delays to achieve bliss.
>>
>>Later,
>>
>>Randy Visentine
>>Audiophile/Musician/Crazy Guy
>>C90/XDP4000x
>>C910/XDP210EQ
>>
>>--- Bobby Braun <bobbybraun@comcast.net> wrote:
>> > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Bobby Braun"
>> > <bobbybraun@comcast.net>
>> >
>> > As I understand, by skipping any passive crossovers
>> > inline with your front
>> > components, you should gain about +6 db of headroom
>> > in your music. I cannot
>> > back this up, this is just something I heard, I
>> > actually use passive
>> > crossovers, since I only run a 3 way system.
>> > Honestly I'm happy with what
>> > I'm using, but am curious about what the sound
>> > difference would be.
>> > Anyways, if possible, I would suggest not using the
>> > crossovers that came
>> > with your components, just use the 4000x. The only
>> > reason I don't is
>> > because my amps are too large to all fit, I just ran
>> > out of room.
>> >
>>
>>
>>__________________________________
>>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
>>
>>
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