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1. 12:17 AM - Re: CDX-C90 Plastic Faceplate - $107.59 and Available... (Roland M)
2. 05:36 AM - Re: cdx-c90 still available? (Scott Walters)
3. 05:55 AM - Re: CDX-C90 Plastic Faceplate - $107.59 and Available... (Mike Piccin)
4. 07:49 AM - Re: CDX-C90 Plastic Faceplate - $107.59 and Available... (Roland M)
5. 07:54 AM - Re: cdx-c90 still available? (Roland M)
6. 08:28 AM - Re: cdx-c90 still available? (Scott Walters)
7. 10:06 AM - Re: cdx-c90 still available? (Bobby Braun)
8. 10:48 AM - Re: cdx-c90 still available? (Scott Thibault)
9. 10:52 AM - Re: cdx-c90 still available? (Roland M)
10. 02:05 PM - (Reply) 4 way front stage (Patrick Freeland)
11. 02:12 PM - Fuel Cap Engraving, Labeling, Indentifying (Wayne Cahoon @ Aircraft Engravers)
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| Subject: | CDX-C90 Plastic Faceplate - $107.59 and Available... |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
>To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
>Subject: XDP4000X-List: CDX-C90 Plastic Faceplate - $107.59 and
>Available...
>Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:41:38 -0800
>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>
>If you want a new plastic faceplate for your C90, Sony Online parts has
>them in stock and at a mere $107.59. The part number is:
>
LOL! A "mere" $108, eh? Well there goes my guess at the $60 range, lol...
Seems even the smallest part for the C90 is crazy expensive! The "1-10"
number buttons ring in at a good $55 as well. At these prices you may as
well buy a whole new FP (oh yeah but they are rare finds).
Anyway, thanks for the S/M for the C90, Matt! I don't have a C90 myself but
I was always interested in taking a look at it. Always good to be able to
track down part costs in case you see one on eBay without certain parts
(e.g. trim ring, remote(s), etc.). But it seems its a waste to even look up
the prices--they are pretty unreasonable... I mean part costs are always a
tad on the expensive side but for the C90 they are beyond a "tad". I guess
the best way to buy a C90 is to buy a *COMPLETE* one, with everything
included.
Roland M.
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| Subject: | Re: cdx-c90 still available? |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Scott Walters <scott@packetpushers.com>
I have to jump in here on my faceplate problems. All the controls still
work, it's the display that has gone out. I've disassembled and looked
around, but can't see anything blatently wrong.
And the whole irony is, the only time I can see the display is IN DIRECT
SUNLIGHT.
I figured I was in my own personal car audio purgatory. Glad to see there
are others here with me ;)
scott
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, Bobby Braun wrote:
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun@comcast.net>
>
> It doesn't really bother me too much other than the fact that it doesn't
> allow for very precise control. It's doable, but driving down the road
> makes it difficult, and can be a hinderance. Honestly, I just hate the fact
> that it's not perfect anymore, I'm a freak about those kind of things, since
> there isn't a scratch on anything I have. Maybe someone understands?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brody Z" <dremgragen@hotmail.com>
> To: <xdp4000x-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
>
>
> > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Brody Z" <dremgragen@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Mine stopped clicking too. I like it to tell you the truth. :)
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun@comcast.net>
> > To: <xdp4000x-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
> > Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:12:29 -0600
> >
> > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Bobby Braun"
> <bobbybraun@comcast.net>
> >
> > The volume control became loose and didn't click anymore, probably the
> most
> > common problem, happened over a year ago, was just waiting for a good
> > opportunity to take care of it, (i.e. Ebay). Overall the face was in
> great
> > cosmetic condition for it's age, being on of the originals produced in 98.
> > But, as I understood, the face was non-servicable, and that Sony only
> > replaced them, guess I was wrong.
> >
> > bobby
> >
> >
> > > Just a question--what was wrong with your faceplate again? Did it just
> > need
> > > a part replaced or do you need the whole FP?
> > >
> > > Roland M.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers!
> > http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418
> >
> >
>
>
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Scott Walters
-PacketPusher
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| Subject: | CDX-C90 Plastic Faceplate - $107.59 and Available... |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Mike Piccin" <mpiccin2@hotmail.com>
I was looking at the C90 service manual, and on the second page it shows
that you can use a cotton swab to clean the objective lens...is this
something I can do myself? Or do I have to pull the C90 apart to get to it?
I'd imagine that after about 3-4 yrs of use the lens has probalby gotten
dirty.
Any other mainteance tips you guys use that other should know about?
Thanks,
Mike
----Original Message Follows----
From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Subject: XDP4000X-List: CDX-C90 Plastic Faceplate - $107.59 and Available...
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
If you want a new plastic faceplate for your C90, Sony Online parts has
them in stock and at a mere $107.59. The part number is:
X-3375-934-1 Panel Sub Assy, Front (US)
Go to the following URL and in the upper right hand side of the page,
select the "Part or Accessory Number" radio button, and then enter the part
number above and get your credit card number ready!
http://servicesales.sel.sony.com/web/index.jsp
I've ordered lot's of spare parts from Sony this way and it works
great. Stuff shows up fast and I've generally always been able to find
even the oddest of parts available.
Here's some info on disassembling the C90:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp-4000x/C90ServiceManual.pdf
Cheers,
Matt Dralle
At 10:35 PM 1/22/2004 Thursday, you wrote:
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>
> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Bobby Braun"
<bobbybraun@comcast.net>
> >
> >yeah, that'd be great if that's something people could order. Also, I
> >wonder if the clear plexiglass cover of the face could be ordered and
> >replaced, imagine, pretty much all of our faces would look pretty new if
> >doing that fix.
> >
>
>Well the display lens is available as a part for every other Sony HU
pretty
>much so I would imagine you could get the lens for the C90 as well. It
>would probably be a little expensive though, maybe around $40-$60 I'm
>guessing, since everything for the C90 is a little more expensive it seems
>(except for the pickup which isn't badly priced but it isn't a C90-only
>part--it works for a lot of other HUs).
>
>The one hitch might be that Sony (USA) might not have anymore of the
lenses
>left :( They no longer have the C90 FP so who knows what else they are
out
>of :(
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| Subject: | CDX-C90 Plastic Faceplate - $107.59 and Available... |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Mike Piccin" <mpiccin2@hotmail.com>
>
>I was looking at the C90 service manual, and on the second page it shows
>that you can use a cotton swab to clean the objective lens...is this
>something I can do myself? Or do I have to pull the C90 apart to get to it?
>I'd imagine that after about 3-4 yrs of use the lens has probalby gotten
>dirty.
>
>Any other mainteance tips you guys use that other should know about?
>
>Thanks,
>Mike
>
Well it is something you can do yourself on most CD players but on a car one
you will indeed have to disassemble a good bit of the mechanism to get to
the lens. Usually for cars, you'd be okay using a commercially available
Lens-Cleaner CD...
As for other maintenance, depending on the environment and how much you
attach/remove the FP you may want to periodically clean the contacts on the
FP and on the HU with a q-tip and alcohol (just as with the lens).
Can't really think of anything else... I would advise not to touch the FP
controls/buttons with dirty/oily/greasy hands though. Oils from foods and
car chemicals can accelerate wear on the FP buttons by eroding the
coating/paint on them. The older Sony HUs were bad for button coatings
wearing off, but the newer ones are pretty good as far as I've seen...
Rethink your business approach for the new year with the helpful tips here.
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| Subject: | Re: cdx-c90 still available? |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Scott Walters
><scott@packetpushers.com>
>
>
>I have to jump in here on my faceplate problems. All the controls still
>work, it's the display that has gone out. I've disassembled and looked
>around, but can't see anything blatently wrong.
>
>And the whole irony is, the only time I can see the display is IN DIRECT
>SUNLIGHT.
>
>I figured I was in my own personal car audio purgatory. Glad to see there
>are others here with me ;)
>
>scott
>
The C90 uses an standard LCD dot-matrix display which is backlit (or
frontlit), correct? (Does it use EL?) Didn't you have 2 FPs or was that
someone else? If you do have two, does it happen with both FPs? If so, I'd
suspect the dispay inverter. Check for a pinched or cut inverter wire on
the little box leading out of the main unit.
You might also try to tap/gently push around the corners of the FP to see if
the lighting comes on.
If it is a problem with the FP and not the unit, then there might be
something wrong with the electronics controlling/powering the backlight.
Roland M.
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| Subject: | Re: cdx-c90 still available? |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Scott Walters <scott@packetpushers.com>
> >And the whole irony is, the only time I can see the display is IN DIRECT
> >SUNLIGHT.
>
> The C90 uses an standard LCD dot-matrix display which is backlit (or
> frontlit), correct? (Does it use EL?) Didn't you have 2 FPs or was that
> someone else? If you do have two, does it happen with both FPs?
Someone else.
> If so, I'd
> suspect the dispay inverter. Check for a pinched or cut inverter wire on
> the little box leading out of the main unit.
I opened the face plate and didn't see anything supsicious, but I can look
again.
> You might also try to tap/gently push around the corners of the FP to see if
> the lighting comes on.
That *used* to work.
> If it is a problem with the FP and not the unit, then there might be
> something wrong with the electronics controlling/powering the backlight.
I don't think so. I think it is def in the FP.
--
Scott Walters
-PacketPusher
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| Subject: | Re: cdx-c90 still available? |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun@comcast.net>
Well, in couple weeks when I get my face back I'll be sure to comment on the
workmanship from Sony, I did request to have the crystal lens replaced as
well, as it was showing some wear, we'll see what they do for my $125.00. I
let y'all know.
Bobby
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Walters" <scott@packetpushers.com>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Scott Walters
<scott@packetpushers.com>
>
> > >And the whole irony is, the only time I can see the display is IN
DIRECT
> > >SUNLIGHT.
> >
> > The C90 uses an standard LCD dot-matrix display which is backlit (or
> > frontlit), correct? (Does it use EL?) Didn't you have 2 FPs or was
that
> > someone else? If you do have two, does it happen with both FPs?
>
> Someone else.
>
> > If so, I'd
> > suspect the dispay inverter. Check for a pinched or cut inverter wire
on
> > the little box leading out of the main unit.
>
> I opened the face plate and didn't see anything supsicious, but I can look
> again.
>
> > You might also try to tap/gently push around the corners of the FP to
see if
> > the lighting comes on.
>
> That *used* to work.
>
> > If it is a problem with the FP and not the unit, then there might be
> > something wrong with the electronics controlling/powering the backlight.
>
> I don't think so. I think it is def in the FP.
>
> --
> Scott Walters
> -PacketPusher
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: cdx-c90 still available? |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Scott Thibault <tbone7467@yahoo.com>
I have tje service manual for the xdp-4000x and that cdx-c90 and the xm-7557.
Roland M <mdx400@hotmail.com> wrote:--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland
M"
>From: "Bobby Braun"
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: cdx-c90 still available?
>Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:45:55 -0600
>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Bobby Braun"
>
>It doesn't really bother me too much other than the fact that it doesn't
>allow for very precise control. It's doable, but driving down the road
>makes it difficult, and can be a hinderance. Honestly, I just hate the
>fact
>that it's not perfect anymore, I'm a freak about those kind of things,
>since
>there isn't a scratch on anything I have. Maybe someone understands?
>
>
Yeah I understand--I would get quite irritated with that problem as well.
You know it is strange how the C90s volume control seems to be so
problematic. It *appears* to use the same volume knob (internally) as do
other models like the C480/580/680/780/880/7850 etc. but those I haven't
heard many problems about. (Then again there is no forum specifically aimed
at models like those). I know that the older encoder on the C910/XR-C900
felt a little "unsure" even when new and I could imagine that after years of
good use it might get a little messed up. But the ones (actually the same
one) on my XR-C9100 and CDX-C7850 units seem pretty durable. I guess they
must have used something slightly different on the C90 although it looks the
same...
Does anyone have the service manual for the C90 by any chance? It would
show the part number for the (internal) rotary encoder in the FP so ppl
would know which part to order (if they wanted to fix it themselves that
is). I'll try and see what Sony DAPC says...
Roland M.
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| Subject: | Re: cdx-c90 still available? |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <mdx400@hotmail.com>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Scott Walters
><scott@packetpushers.com>
>
> > If so, I'd
> > suspect the dispay inverter. Check for a pinched or cut inverter wire
>on
> > the little box leading out of the main unit.
>
>I opened the face plate and didn't see anything supsicious, but I can look
>again.
>
Scott, the inverter isn't in the FP, it is a cord that comes off the HU main
body and leads to a small box (usually has a yellow sticker on it)--make
sure the wires for that box are not pinched or cut in any way.
> > If it is a problem with the FP and not the unit, then there might be
> > something wrong with the electronics controlling/powering the backlight.
>
>I don't think so. I think it is def in the FP.
>
Well that is kinda what I meant, the electronics within the FP regulating
the backlight to turn on...
However this reminds me of a problem I had breifly with my C7850 (or was it
the XR-C9100? can't remember now) but anyway I had a similar problem... The
display wouldn't come on but the controls would light up and some of them
operated okay, but the display was off. It happened all of a sudden one day
and I didn't know why. Pressing on the FP at the top corners intermittently
turned on the display, but that was obviously no solution.
I examined and opened the external inverter and nothing looked fried or out
of place in there so I re-assembled it. (Note the external inverter says
"never disassemble" but you can't really hurt anything by popping the thing
open. Just as long as you don't crack the inverter board or something
inside--very difficult to do--it'll be fine).
So I opened the HU (there was nothing wrong with the FP, by the way) and
then I found the wires from the external inverter box lead to an area up at
the front of the HU where the FP mounts. It was a heat-sink-like thing that
had some thermal paste (white stuff) on it and also what looked to me like a
thermistor on top as well. So I fiddled around with that, gently pushing on
it and I moved the thermistor a bit (it looked a little bent out of place)
and found with the FP connected it would come on by gently pushing on that
area. So I got to where the FP was on properly again and left it like that.
After that the FP worked fine. In fact the display has never gone out on
me again and that was probably about 8-9 months ago I'd say.
I dunno if the failure of the C90's FP is caused by the same thing, but it
sounds similar. But do check the inverter cord first as I've heard of ppl
who had the wire on that cut or pinched and the display go out on them.
Also if you haven't already done so, clean the contacts on the HU and FP
with some isopropyl alcohol and a q-tip...
Roland M.
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| Subject: | (Reply) 4 way front stage |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Patrick Freeland" <ultra_19@hotmail.com>
sounds like a great plan Dan. The four way setup is fun, cause there is
more to tweek and play with, as well as more power can be optomized.
Here is my recommendation, or at least the way I have cometo improve my car.
I would recommend that for the midrange driver (assuming they are in the
kicks or a good location) that you set the midrange from 500 to 6K, instead
of 4K. The reason for this is that your overall stereo image will be much
better if most of the sound can come from one central point.
Hopefully I'm not rambling for nothing and that I am also not insulting your
audio intelligence. But if you had only a 2 way set up (say tweet and
midrange)....you would obviously have 4 different speaker locations (2 left,
2 right). Then lets say you hypothetically placed the x over at ik. On the
left side, 1/2 of your image would be coming from the tweets speaker
location, and the other would come from the midrange. And of coarse, the
same for the right side. Thus all your sound would be coming from 4
different places. So basically 50% here, and 50% there on the left. Same
for the right. Your image would be sharper, better centered, and tonally
accurate if lets say 75% came from one of the drivers (midrange for
instance) and the other 25% came from the tweet. In this case most of your
stereo image would be coming form 2 total spots (left and right).
So by use of your crossovers, you should try to place as much sound as
possible into your two best placed speakers (usualy the midange..if in
kicks). The trick is to maximize the amount of sound field to those 2
speaker locations.
Also, it is always best to try to put your tweets as close to your midange
as possible, since this achieves a solid left and solid right for your
stereo image. The midbass and down is not near as directional obviously,
which is why subs are in the rear and midbass speakers are not always angled
towards the listener.
So again, i would place the midrange from 500k - 6k. Your image will be
much sharper, and tuning wil be easier, since the sound waves are more
closly matched in terms of amplitude, arrival, and location.
I like you midbass range. Actually my setup is arranged with my midbass
playing 50- 200. And the 4 way setup does sound very nice, though I want to
move my midbass closer to my tweet and midrange, thus maximizing the amount
of osund coming from one place left and right, which results in a better
stereo image.
perhaps I am just feeling like rambling, and I'm sure your overall question
from your post was regading your amp usage, power, and the 4 way set up in
general. best of luck. I hit a deer with my car once too, and i ended up
getting new stuff as well. Sucks to have the car hit, but fun to plan and
look at new options. Give me a call if you ever want to talk. 561
379-5336
---------Patrick
Patrick Freeland
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