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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
It WORKS!!!! After lots of tinkering I finally got it to play, and it's works
flawlessly and sounds just as good as I'd expect!
The only thing I can think of that was causing it to act funny last night was maybe
because I had a low battery which in the end caused all of the oddities with
my equipment, because everything works as it should now including the analog
outputs on my CD Changer... My optima battery is on it's 7th year now, and
my alternator doesn't do very well when running at idle so after all the tinkering
last night, when I went to start my car this AM the battery was dead.
The first thing I did this morning was hook up my XM adapter to test my analog
inputs on the processor, and it worked perfectly (almost too perfectly considering
I cancelled my service back in December and it's still working ha ha...)
And is it just me, or does XM sound even WORSE than ever?!! I can't believe I
ever even paid for service that sounded so bad. Wow. Even though right now
I could listen to it for free, after hearing how bad it sounds I know I'd never
even bother turning it on, so right now it's unhooked and boxed up in my closet
for storage until I find someone who wants to take it off my hands lol.
Matt I want to thank you so much for all your help with this, I never would've
figured it out on my own! After running into all these problems maybe we did
learn a little something about how the Phatbox intergrates into a Sony system.
First off, the reset line has to be cut in order for a PB to work with a processor,
but seems to work fine as a single Unilink source directly connected to
a compatible head unit with the reset wire still connected. And another thing
that came up before that I'd like to point out, the Phatbox does work when
directly connected to my 4000x. I do not have my XA-C30 permanently installed
yet so the PB is my only external music source at this time. I am now curious
however if the thing would've worked fine without the pulldown resistor installed
if the reset line had been cut the entire time. Regardless, wow what an
ordeal and I'm so glad it's over.
Now a couple questions about usage. How much should I be concerned about heat,
cold and vibration affecting the DMS cartridge? Where I live there are some
extreme cold temperatures, and we all know how hot it can get in the trunk of
a car. I have it mounted with rubber grommets on a wooden carpeted surface, so
vibration should be at a minimum but I just thought I'd ask since you've been
using one of these for a while. And another thing, is there an easy way to
navigate through the countless number of albums you have at your disposal? I
haven't really sat down to use the thing yet, and haven't even listened to an
entire song yet, so I'm just wondering if there are any tricks to setting it up
to get the most out of the unit?
Thanks again for everything, now I can't wait to go on a long roadtrip and listen
to an endless amount of music! HA HA HA!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, I've thought about all that already, but here is the thing, I can't get
any
> audio to be recognized by the 4000x through it's Analog Changer Inputs. The
> only reason I know it sounds bad is because I hooked a set of headphones up to
> the phatbox to test if any audio was present and when I listened it sounded
> horrible, (if not mono). I listened to the same exact mp3 file that was being
> played on the PB back inside on my computer through the same headset using the
> crappy non 24bit burr brown outputs of my laptop and it sounded 1000x more full
> and realistic, so that worries me. And the fact that I can't get any audio to
> play back when plugged into the analog changer inputs worries me even more, I
> really hope this thing didn't somehow damage my 4000x, there is no way I want
to
> send it off to Sony and let them hack away at it like they did with my last C90
> I sent them...
>
> I have done a full reset from the C90 and still nothing. I'll test out my other
> equipment that I know was working beforehand tomorrow and then I'll know more,
> but that still doesn't change the issue with the terrible sound output of the
> PB.
>
> ------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Great news!
> >
> > Couple of things come to mind with respect to your new audio woes. Digital
vs
> > Analog input on the 4000x is only negotiated on reset (button on C90), so with
> > all the plugging around, make sure that you set things up like you want, then
> > press that reset button.
> >
> > Second, the "tinny" sound might be because you've selected an unprogrammed
> > EQ/Xover setting on the 4000x. The default setting has some of the Xover
> > settings off or highly attenuated.
> >
> > Plug your PC back into the 4000x and double check all of your EQ and XO memory
> > locations, and then make sure you select the right ones on the HU.
> >
> > Almost there!
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 08:13 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> > >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > >Ok, I went ahead and clipped the reset wire and now the PB actually works
in
> my
> > system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my
> > processor is not accepting analog audio at the analog changer input any longer
> > (and it used to just fine)... I did test and there is audio at the outputs
of
> > the PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull
> highs.
> > >
> > >I threw my cd changer back in to see if my processor would accept analog
> audio
> > from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer
> > either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand since I always
> used
> > the digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
> > >
> > >I have yet to try my XM unit, which I know the analog outs used to work on
> > since those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in
my
> > system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late and
> I
> > don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
> > >
> > >So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially
> > convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said
> > before it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken
> inside
> > of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check
> > everything out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
> > >
> > >
> > >-------------- Original message --------------
> > >From: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >>
> > >> Cut the reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that
> > line
> > >> down and never letting anyone else init.
> > >>
> > >> Matt
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> > >> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >
> > >> >Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
> > short
> > >> of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then
> from
> > it
> > >> split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a
> list
> > >> of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
> > >> >
> > >> >Phatbox (PB) plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB
> powers
> > >> up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
> > >> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
> C30:
> > PB
> > >> powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees
> the
> > PB.
> > >> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
> C30,
> > >> Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x
and
> > >> Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> > >> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
> C30,
> > >> XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> XM
> > >> Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> > >> >XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input
> of
> > >> XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
> > disappear,
> > >> C90 only sees the PB.
> > >> >
> > >> >Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected
> into
> > the
> > >> system without the PB.
> > >> >
> > >> >Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
> > down
> > >> and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both
> sides
> > >> besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn
a
> > >> thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
> > problem
> > >> is...lol
> > >> >
> > >> >Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your
> system,
> > >> but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
> > to
> > >> have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset
> line
> > >> cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original
PB
> > >> cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other
> than
> > it
> > >> was made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it
> has
> > >> been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables
> > that
> > >> were made before the modification was put in place.
> > >> >
> > >> >I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I
> finished
> > >> all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've
> been!
> > >> Ahhhh!
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >-------------- Original message --------------
> > >> >From: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
> > >> >> resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment.
> > Well,
> > >> >> unless you miss wire something... :-)
> > >> >>
> > >> >> The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger
> > slave
> > >> on
> > >> >> the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus
> (UB)
> > has
> > >> a
> > >> >> class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along
> with
> > >> some
> > >> >> examples:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
> > >> >> MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> > >> >> Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> > >> >> Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for
> > each
> > >> >> device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
> > "I'm
> > >> >> Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> > >> >> particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device
> class
> > >> >> (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
> > >> >>
> > >> >> An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU
is
> > >> powered
> > >> >> up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
> > >> >> device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
> > protocol
> > >> >> sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
> > >> address
> > >> >> negotiation.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the
> bus.
> > >> The
> > >> >> closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically
> what
> > >> >> happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
> > >> connectivity
> > >> >> to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the
> HU.
> > On
> > >> >> the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
> > stream,
> > >> so
> > >> >> negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the
CD
> > >> Changer
> > >> >> class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly
> plugged
> > >> into
> > >> >> the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting
> with
> > the
> > >> >> 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but
I
> > >> wanted
> > >> >> to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me
a
> > while
> > >> to
> > >> >> figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> > >> >> addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've
> written
> > an
> > >> >> embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an
> 8051-compatible
> > >> >> microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is
> 100%
> > >> >> compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do
> it,
> > >> surly
> > >> >> Phatbox could.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here
> > on
> > >> my
> > >> >> two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something
> else.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Matt
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> > >> >> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation
I
> > tried
> > >> >> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last
> time
> > I
> > >> did
> > >> >> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
> > resistor
> > >> >> could be the problem, huh?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
> > >> >> >From: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I
am
> > >> plugging
> > >> >> >> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> > >> >> >> C90->4000->C30->Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging
the
> > >> Phatbox
> > >> >> >> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some
> point,
> > but
> > >> I
> > >> >> >> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning
> you
> > a
> > >> >> >> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Matt
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > >> >> >> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram?
> This
> > is
> > >> the
> > >> >> >> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> > >> >> modification
> > >> >> >> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
> > unit
> > >> for
> > >> >> >> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> > not
> > >> >> >> working:
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should
> do
> > >> the
> > >> >> job
> > >> >> >> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
> > that
> > >> in
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> >> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do
> this
> > >> >> because
> > >> >> >> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update?
Im
> > not
> > >> sure
> > >> >> >> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
> > when
> > >> >> >> directly connected to the head unit?
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
> > >> >> >> >From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> > >> reset
> > >> >> >> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
> > Phatbox
> > >> is
> > >> >> >> >> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > >> >> whenever
> > >> >> >> it's
> > >> >> >> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
> > and
> > >> >> >> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down
> > when
> > >> the
> > >> >> >> >> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> >> >> >> From: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > Matt
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> > >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
> > installed
> > >> as
> > >> >> >> >> suggested
> > >> >> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
> > plugged
> > >> in
> > >> >> my
> > >> >> >> >> 4000x
> > >> >> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates
> with
> > the
> > >> >> >> Phatbox.
> > >> >> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
> > of
> > >> 4.7k
> > >> >> >> since
> > >> >> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable
> they're
> > >> >> willing
> > >> >> >> to
> > >> >> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
> > that
> > >> >> someone
> > >> >> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> > factory?
> > >> >> I'm
> > >> >> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> > >-------------- Original message --------------
> > >> >> >> >> > >From: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> > >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > >> >> >> >> > >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two
> links
> > to
> > >> >> some
> > >> >> >> >> > >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note
> that
> > >> you
> > >> >> >> *will
> > >> >> >> >> > need*
> > >> >> >> >> > >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note
> > the
> > >> >> color
> > >> >> >> >> coding
> > >> >> >> >> > >> and what not might be different depending on the version of
> > cable
> > >> you
> > >> >> >> have.
> > >> >> >> >> > The
> > >> >> >> >> > >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > >> >> interpolate
> > >> >> >> a
> > >> >> >> >> > little
> > >> >> >> >> > >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > >> >> >> >> > >> What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > >> >> >> >> > >> What Phatbox Said:
> > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > >> >> >> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > >> >> >> >> > >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might
be
> a
> > >> little
> > >> >> >> >> > different.
> > >> >> >> >> > >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > >> >> >> >> > >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If
> you
> > >> are
> > >> >> >> using
> > >> >> >> >> > >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with
> > the
> > >> >> >> xdp-4000x.
> > >> >> >> >> > >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > >> >> >> PhatManager).
> > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > >> >> >> >> > >> Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > >> >> >> >> > >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise
> way
> > >> back
> > >> >> >> when:
> > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > >> >> >> >> > >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> > system.
> > >> The
> > >> >> >> >> > >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You
> want
> > to
> > >> >> >> connect
> > >> >> >> >> a
> > >> >> >> >> > >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange
> (ground)
> > >> wires.
> > >> >> I
> > >> >> >> >> have
> > >> >> >> >> > >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > >> >> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > >> >> >> >> > >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can
> be
> > >> seen
> > >> >> on
> > >> >> >> the
> > >> >> >> >> > >> PhatBox connector.
> > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > >> >> >> >> > >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to
a
> > head
> > >> >> unit.
> > >> >> >> >> > >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> > >> multi-device
> > >> >> >> >> > >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
> unmodified
> > >> cable
> > >> >> >> will
> > >> >> >> >> > work
> > >> >> >> >> > >> with any multi-device configurations.
> > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > >> >> >> >> > >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input.
It
> > is
> > >> used
> > >> >> >> for
> > >> >> >> >> > >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the
> pull-down
> > >> the
> > >> >> >> signal
> > >> >> >> >> > >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
> > >> knowing
> > >> >> when
> > >> >> >> is
> > >> >> >> >> > the
> > >> >> >> >> > >> right time to initialize itself.
> > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > >> >> >> >> > >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then
> shutdown.
> > >> The
> > >> >> >> PhatBox
> > >> >> >> >> > >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you
> > should
> > >> >> >> listen
> > >> >> >> >> to
> > >> >> >> >> > >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using
> > the
> > >> C90.
> > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > >> >> >> >> > >> Regards,
> > >> >> >> >> > >> Mike"
> > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > >> >> >> >> > >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> 94551
> > >> >> >> >> > >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> >> >> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> Aircraft
> > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
> > installed
> > >> as
> > >> >> >> >> suggested
> > >> >> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
> > plugged
> > >> in
> > >> >> my
> > >> >> >> >> 4000x
> > >> >> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with
> > the
> > >> >> >> Phatbox.
> > >> >> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
> > of
> > >> 4.7k
> > >> >> >> since
> > >> >> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable
> they're
> > >> >> willing
> > >> >> >> to
> > >> >> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
> > that
> > >> >> someone
> > >> >> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> > factory?
> > >> >> I'm
> > >> >> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> > >-------------- Original message --------------
> > >> >> >> >> > >From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two
> links
> > to
> > >> >> some
> > >> >> >> >> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note
> that
> > you
> > >> >> *will
> > >> >> >> >> > need*
> > >> >> >> >> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note
> the
> > >> color
> > >> >> >> >> coding
> > >> >> >> >> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of
> > cable
> > >> you
> > >> >> >> have.
> > >> >> >> >> > The
> > >> >> >> >> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > >> >> interpolate a
> > >> >> >> >> > little
> > >> >> >> >> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> > > http://www.m
> > >> >> >> >> > > atroni
> > >> >> >> >> > >cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be
a
> > >> little
> > >> >> >> >> > different.
> > >> >> >> >> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If
> you
> > are
> > >> >> using
> > >> >> >> >> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with
> the
> > >> >> >> xdp-4000x.
> > >> >> >> >> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > >> >> >> PhatManager).
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> > > Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise
> way
> > >> back
> > >> >> >> when:
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> system.
> > >> The
> > >> >> >> >> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You
> want
> > to
> > >> >> >> connect a
> > >> >> >> >> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> > >> wires.
> > >> >> I
> > >> >> >> have
> > >> >> >> >> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > >> >> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > >> >> >> >> > > y conn
> > >> >> >> >> > >ector. They can be seen on the
> > >> >> >> >> > > PhatBox connector.
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to
a
> > head
> > >> >> unit.
> > >> >> >> >> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> > >> multi-device
> > >> >> >> >> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
> unmodified
> > >> cable
> > >> >> >> will
> > >> >> >> >> > work
> > >> >> >> >> > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input.
It
> is
> > >> used
> > >> >> for
> > >> >> >> >> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the
> pull-down
> > the
> > >> >> >> signal
> > >> >> >> >> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
> > knowing
> > >> >> when
> > >> >> >> is
> > >> >> >> >> > the
> > >> >> >> >> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then
> shutdown.
> > The
> > >> >> >> PhatBox
> > >> >> >> >> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you
> > should
> > >> >> listen
> > >> >> >> to
> > >> >> >> >> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using
> the
> > >> C90.
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> > > Regards,
> > >> >> >> >> > > Mike"
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> > > <
> > >> >> >> >> > > BR>>
> > >> >> >> >> > >;
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> 94551
> > >> >> >> >> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> >> >> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> Aircraft
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >==================================================================
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> > >
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> >> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> > >> reset
> > >> >> >> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
> > Phatbox
> > >> is
> > >> >> >> there,
> > >> >> >> >> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> > >> it's
> > >> >> >> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
> > and
> > >> >> >> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down
> when
> > >> the
> > >> >> >> Phatbox
> > >> >> >> >> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> >> >> >> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Matt
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> > as
> > >> >> >> suggested
> > >> >> >> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
> plugged
> > in
> > >> my
> > >> >> >> 4000x
> > >> >> >> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
> > the
> > >> >> >> Phatbox.
> > >> >> >> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
> of
> > >> 4.7k
> > >> >> >> since
> > >> >> >> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Anyone out there
> > >> >> >> >> with
> > >> >> >> >> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > >> >> >> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
> that
> > >> >> someone
> > >> >> >> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> > factory?
> > >> I'm
> > >> >> >> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> >> >> >> From: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
to
> > some
> > >> >> >> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> you
> > >> *will
> > >> >> >> >> need*
> > >> >> >> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> > color
> > >> >> coding
> > >> >> >> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> > you
> > >> >> have.
> > >> >> >> >> The
> > >> >> >> >> links are for reference only and you might find
> > >> >> >> >> you n
> > >> >> >> >> eed to interpolate a
> > >> >> >> >> little
> > >> >> >> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> What Phatbox Said:
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> > little
> > >> >> >> >> different.
> > >> >> >> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
> are
> > >> using
> > >> >> >> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > >> >> xdp-4000x.
> > >> >> >> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > >> >> PhatManager).
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> &g
> > >> >> >> >> t;
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> back
> > >> when:
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> > >> >> >> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
to
> > >> connect
> > >> >> a
> > >> >> >> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> > wires. I
> > >> >> have
> > >> >> >> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > >> >> >> >> (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
> seen
> > on
> > >> the
> > >> >> >> >> PhatBox connector.
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > unit.
> > >> >> >> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> multi-device
> > >> >> >> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> > cable
> > >> will
> > >> >> >> >> work
> > >> >> >> >> with any multi-device conf
> > >> >> >> >> igurat
> > >> >> >> >> ions.
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> > used
> > >> for
> > >> >> >> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
> the
> > >> signal
> > >> >> >> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
> knowing
> > >> when
> > >> >> is
> > >> >> >> >> the
> > >> >> >> >> right time to initialize itself.
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
> The
> > >> >> PhatBox
> > >> >> >> >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > >> listen
> > >> >> to
> > >> >> >> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> > C90.
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Regards,
> > >> >> >> >> Mike"
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> >> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> &
> > >> >> >> >> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> Aircraft
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> > as
> > >> >> >> suggested
> > >> >> >> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
> plugged
> > in
> > >> my
> > >> >> >> 4000x
> > >> >> >> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with
> the
> > >> >> Phatbox.
> > >> >> >> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
> of
> > >> 4.7k
> > >> >> >> since
> > >> >> >> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > >> willing
> > >> >> to
> > >> >> >> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
> that
> > >> >> someone
> > >> >> >> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> > factory?
> > >> I'm
> > >> >> >> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> >> >> >> From: Matt
> > >> >> >> >> Drall
> > >> >> >> >> e dralle@matronics.com
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
to
> > some
> > >> >> >> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> you
> > >> *will
> > >> >> >> >> need*
> > >> >> >> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> > color
> > >> >> coding
> > >> >> >> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> > you
> > >> >> have.
> > >> >> >> >> The
> > >> >> >> >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > interpolate
> > >> a
> > >> >> >> >> little
> > >> >> >> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> What Phatbox Said:
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> http://www.m
> > >> >> >> >> atroni
> > >> >> >> >> cs.com/xdp
> > >> >> >> >> 4000x/
> > >> >> >> >> SonyCable5.pdf
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> > little
> > >> >> >> >> different.
> > >> >> >> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
> are
> > >> using
> > >> >> >> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > >> >> xdp-4000x.
> > >> >> >> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > >> >> PhatManager).
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> back
> > >> when:
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> > >> >> >> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
to
> > >> connect
> > >> >> a
> > >> >> >> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> > wires. I
> > >> >> have
> > >> >> >> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > >> >> >> >> ons > R> (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > >> >> >> >> y conn
> > >> >> >> >> ector. They can be seen on the
> > >> >> >> >> PhatBox connector.
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > unit.
> > >> >> >> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> multi-device
> > >> >> >> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> > cable
> > >> will
> > >> >> >> >> work
> > >> >> >> >> with any multi-device configurations.
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> > used
> > >> for
> > >> >> >> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
> the
> > >> signal
> > >> >> >> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
> knowing
> > >> when
> > >> >> is
> > >> >> >> >> the
> > >> >> >> >> right time to initialize itself.
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
> The
> > >> >> PhatBox
> > >> >> >> >> sho
> > >> >> >> >> uld th
> > >> >> >> >> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> > >> >> >> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> > C90.
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Regards,
> > >> >> >> >> Mike"
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> BR
> > >> >> >> >> ;
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> >> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> ==================================================================
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> >> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> &g
> > >> >> >> >> t;
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram?
> This
> > is
> > >> the
> > >> >> >> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> > >> >> themodification
> > >> >> >> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
> > unit
> > >> for
> > >> >> me
> > >> >> >> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not
> > >> >> working:
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should
> do
> > >> the
> > >> >> job
> > >> >> >> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
> > that
> > >> in
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> >> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do
> this
> > >> >> because
> > >> >> >> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update?
Im
> > not
> > >> sure
> > >> >> if
> > >> >> >> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
> when
> > >> >> directly
> > >> >> >> connected to the head unit?
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
> > >> >> >> >From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> > reset
> > >> >> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
> > Phatbox
> > >> is
> > >> >> >> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > >> whenever
> > >> >> >> it's
> > >> >> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
> > and
> > >> >> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down
> when
> > >> the
> > >> >> >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> > >> >> >> > he Son
> > >> >> >> >y Phatbox firmware?
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Matt
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> > >> >> >> > suggested
> > >> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> > in
> > >> my
> > >> >> >> > 4000x
> > >> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
> the
> > >> >> >> Phatbox.
> > >> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
> > 4.7k
> > >> >> >> since
> > >> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > willing
> > >> to
> > >> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > >> someone
> > >> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> > >> I'm
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> > ;
> > >> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
to
> > some
> > >> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
> > >> *will
> > >> >> >> > need*
> > >> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> > color
> > >> >> >> > coding
> > >> >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> you
> > >> have.
> > >> >> >> > The
> > >> >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > interpolate
> > >> a
> > >> >> >> > little
> > >> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Wha
> > >> >> >> > t Matt
> > >> >> >> > Found on his cable:
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> > >> >> >> > different.
> > >> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
> > >> using
> > >> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > >> xdp-4000x.
> > >> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > >> PhatManager).
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > For reference, here is a message
> > >> >> >> > from M
> > >> >> >> >ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> > >> >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
to
> > >> connect
> > >> >> >> > a
> > >> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires.
> > I
> > >> >> >> > have
> > >> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > >> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> > on
> > >> the
> > >> >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > unit.
> > >> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> multi-device
> > >> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> > >> will
> > >> >> >> > work
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > &g
> > >> >> >> >t; with any multi-device configurations.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> > >> for
> > >> >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
> > >> signal
> > >> >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > when
> > >> is
> > >> >> >> > the
> > >> >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
> > >> PhatBox
> > >> >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > >> listen
> > >> >> >> > to
> > >> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Regards,
> > >> >> >> > Mike"
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Matt G Drall
> > >> >> >> > e | Ma
> > >> >> >> >tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> > >> >> >> > suggested
> > >> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> > in
> > >> my
> > >> >> >> > 4000x
> > >> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with
> the
> > >> >> Phatbox.
> > >> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
> > 4.7k
> > >> >> >> since
> > >> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > willing
> > >> to
> > >> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > >> someone
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > &
> > >> >> >> >gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> > factory?
> > >> >> I'm
> > >> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
to
> > some
> > >> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
> > >> *will
> > >> >> >> > need*
> > >> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> > color
> > >> >> >> > coding
> > >> >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> you
> > >> have.
> > >> >> >> > The
> > >> >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > interpolate
> > >> a
> > >> >> >> > little
> > >> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin
> > >> >> >> > numbe
> > >> >> >> >rs and what not:
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > http://www.m
> > >> >> >> > atroni
> > >> >> >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> > >> >> >> > different.
> > >> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
> > >> using
> > >> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > >> xdp-4000x.
> > >> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > >> PhatManager).
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Fo
> > >> >> >> > r refe
> > >> >> >> >rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> > >> >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
to
> > >> connect
> > >> >> a
> > >> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires.
> > I
> > >> >> have
> > >> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > >> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > >> >> >> > y conn
> > >> >> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > >> >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > unit.
> > >> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> multi-device
> > >> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> > >> will
> > >> >> >> > work
> > >> >> >> > &
> > >> >> >> > gt; &g
> > >> >> >> >t; with any multi-device configurations.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> > >> for
> > >> >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
> > >> signal
> > >> >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > when
> > >> is
> > >> >> >> > the
> > >> >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
> > >> PhatBox
> > >> >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > >> listen
> > >> >> to
> > >> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Regards,
> > >> >> >> > Mike"
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > BR
> > >> >> >> > ;
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> > >> >> >> > 94551
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > ==================================================================
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> > reset
> > >> >> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
> > Phatbox
> > >> is
> > >> >> >> there,
> > >> >> >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> > >> it's
> > >> >> >> > pl
> > >> >> >> > ugged
> > >> >> >> >in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > >> >> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down
> when
> > the
> > >> >> >> Phatbox
> > >> >> >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Matt
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> > >> >> >> suggested
> > >> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> > in
> > >> my
> > >> >> >> 4000x
> > >> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
> the
> > >> >> Phatbox.
> > >> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> > >> >> >> > s inst
> > >> >> >> >ead of 4.7k since
> > >> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Anyone out there
> > >> >> >> > with
> > >> >> >> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > >> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > >> someone
> > >> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> > >> I'm
> > >> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
to
> > some
> > >> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
> > >> *will
> > >> >> >> > need*
> > >> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> > color
> > >> >> coding
> > >> >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> you
> > >> have.
> > >> >> >> > The
> > >> >> >> > links are
> > >> >> >> > for re
> > >> >> >> >ference only and you might find
> > >> >> >> > you n
> > >> >> >> > eed to interpolate a
> > >> >> >> > little
> > >> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> > >> >> >> > different.
> > >> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
> > >> using
> > >> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > >> xdp-4000x.
> > >> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > >> PhatManager).
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > g
> > >> >> >> > t;
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> back
> > >> when:
> > >> >> >> >&
> > >> >> >> > gt; > >R> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> > >> system.
> > >> >> The
> > >> >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
to
> > >> connect
> > >> >> a
> > >> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires.
> > I
> > >> >> have
> > >> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > >> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> > on
> > >> the
> > >> >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > unit.
> > >> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> multi-device
> > >> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> > >> will
> > >> >> >> > work
> > >> >> >> > with any multi-device conf
> > >> >> >> > igurat
> > >> >> >> > ions.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> > >> for
> > >> >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
> > >> signal
> > >> >> >> > stays
> > >> >> >> > high
> > >> >> >> >(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > >> >> >> > the
> > >> >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
> > >> PhatBox
> > >> >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > >> listen
> > >> >> to
> > >> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Regards,
> > >> >> >> > Mike"
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> > >> >> >> suggested
> > >> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> > in
> > >> my
> > >> >> >> 4000x
> > >> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> > >> >> >> > ommuni
> > >> >> >> >cates with the Phatbox.
> > >> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
> > 4.7k
> > >> >> since
> > >> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > willing
> > >> to
> > >> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > >> someone
> > >> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> > >> I'm
> > >> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> >> >> > From: Matt
> > >> >> >> > Drall
> > >> >> >> > e dralle@matronics.com
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
to
> > some
> > >> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
> > >> *will
> > >> >> >> > need*
> > >> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> > color
> > >> >> coding
> > >> >> >> <
> > >> >> >> > BR>>
> > >> >> >> >; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> > you
> > >> >> have.
> > >> >> >> > The
> > >> >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > interpolate
> > >> a
> > >> >> >> > little
> > >> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > http://www.m
> > >> >> >> > atroni
> > >> >> >> > cs.com/xdp
> > >> >> >> > 4000x/
> > >> >> >> > SonyCable5.pdf
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> > >> >> >> > different.
> > >> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
> > >> using
> > >> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > >> xdp-4000x.
> > >> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > >> PhatManager).
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Matt Drall
> > >> >> >> > e
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> back
> > >> when:
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> > >> >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
to
> > >> connect
> > >> >> a
> > >> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires.
> > I
> > >> >> have
> > >> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > >> >> >> > ons > > R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > >> >> >> > y conn
> > >> >> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > >> >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > unit.
> > >> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> multi-device
> > >> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> > >> will
> > >> >> >> > work
> > >> >> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > >> >> >> > t is a
> > >> >> >> >n input. It is used for
> > >> >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
> > >> signal
> > >> >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > when
> > >> is
> > >> >> >> > the
> > >> >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
> > >> PhatBox
> > >> >> >> > sho
> > >> >> >> > uld th
> > >> >> >> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
> > >> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Regards,
> > >> >> >> > Mike"
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > BR
> > >> >> >> > ;
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > ==================================================================
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> > ;
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > g
> > >> >> >> > t;
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > matron
> > >> >> >> >ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation
I
> > tried
> > >> >> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last
> time
> > I
> > >> did
> > >> >> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
> > resistor
> > >> >> could be the problem, huh?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
> > >> >> >From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> > >> plugging
> > >> >> > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> > >> >> > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
> > Phatbox
> > >> >> > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
> > but
> > >> I
> > >> >> > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning
> you
> > a
> > >> >> > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Matt
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > What do you kn
> > >> >> > ow abo
> > >> >> >ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> > >> >> > only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> > >> >> modification
> > >> >> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
> > unit
> > >> for
> > >> >> > me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> not
> > >> >> > working:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should
do
> > the
> > >> job
> > >> >> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
> that
> > in
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > >> because
> > >> >> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
> not
> > >> sure
> > >> >> > if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
> > when
> > >> >> > directly connected to the head unit?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -------------- Original message -----------
> > >> >> > --- > >R> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> > >> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> > is
> > >> >> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > whenever
> > >> >> > it's
> > >> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
and
> > >> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> > the
> > >> >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version
> > >> >> > of the
> > >> >> > Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Matt
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
> > >> >> > suggested
> > >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
> > my
> > >> >> > 4000x
> > >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > >> >> > Phatbox.
> > >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> > >> >> > since
> > >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> > >> >> > to
> > >> >> > &
> > >> >> > gt;>
> > >> >> >; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > >> someone
> > >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> > >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > >> >> > *will
> > >> >> > need*
> > >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > >> >> > coding
> > >> >> > and what
> > >> >> > not mi
> > >> >> >ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> > >> >> > have.
> > >> >> > The
> > >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> > >> >> > a
> > >> >> > little
> > >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > >> >> > different.
> > >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your in
> > >> >> > stalla
> > >> >> >tion.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > >> >> > using
> > >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > >> >> > xdp-4000x.
> > >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > >> >> > PhatManager).
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > >> >> > when:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > >> >> > connect
> > >> >> > a
> > >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> > >> >> > orang
> > >> >> >e (ground) wires. I
> > >> >> > have
> > >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
> > >> >> > the
> > >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> > >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > >> >> > will
> > >> >> > work
> > >> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > >> >> > for
> > >> >> > &g
> > >> >> > t; >
> > >> >> >; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > >> >> > signal
> > >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> > >> >> > is
> > >> >> > the
> > >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > >> >> > PhatBox
> > >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > >> >> > listen
> > >> >> > to
> > >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Regards,
> > >> >> > Mike"
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > &
> > >> >> > gt; Ma
> > >> >> >tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
> > >> >> > suggested
> > >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
> > my
> > >> >> > 4000x
> > >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > >> >> > Phatbox.
> > >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> > >> >> > since
> > >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > &
> > >> >> > gt; &g
> > >> >> >t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > willing
> > >> >> > to
> > >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> > >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > >> >> > need*
> > >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
> > >> >> > wire.
> > >> >> >Note the color
> > >> >> > coding
> > >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > >> >> > have.
> > >> >> > The
> > >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> > a
> > >> >> > little
> > >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > http://www.m
> > >> >> > atroni
> > >> >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > >> >> > d
> > >> >> > iffere
> > >> >> >nt.
> > >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > >> >> > xdp-4000x.
> > >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > >> >> > PhatManager).
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > >> >> > when:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > >> >> > connect a
> > >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> > >> >> > orang
> > >> >> >e (ground) wires. I
> > >> >> > have
> > >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > >> >> > y conn
> > >> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> > >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > >> >> > will
> > >> >> > work
> > >> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > >> >> > a
> > >> >> > rbitra
> > >> >> >tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > >> >> > signal
> > >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> > >> >> > is
> > >> >> > the
> > >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > >> >> > PhatBox
> > >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > >> >> > to
> > >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Regards,
> > >> >> > Mike"
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > BR
> > >> >> > ;
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> > >> >> > ore |
> > >> >> >CA | 94551
> > >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > ==================================================================
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
> > >> >> > a comp
> > >> >> >lete system reset
> > >> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> > is
> > >> >> > there,
> > >> >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> > it's
> > >> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
and
> > >> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
> the
> > >> >> > Phatbox
> > >> >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Matt
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> > >> >> > by: bo
> > >> >> >bbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
> > >> >> > suggested
> > >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
> > my
> > >> >> > 4000x
> > >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > >> >> > Phatbox.
> > >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> > >> >> > since
> > >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Anyone out there
> > >> >> > with
> > >> >> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -------------- Original me
> > >> >> > ssage
> > >> >> >--------------
> > >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> > >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > >> >> > need*
> > >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > >> coding
> > >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > >> >> > The
> > >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find
> > >> >> > you n
> > >> >> > eed to interpolate a
> > >> >> > little
> > >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >> >> >&g
> > >> >> > t; >
> > >> >> >;
> > >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > >> >> > different.
> > >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > g
> > >> >> > t;
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > >> >> > connections
> > >> >> > are th
> > >> >> >e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> > >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> > >> have
> > >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
> > the
> > >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> > >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > >> >> > work
> > >> >> > with any multi-device conf
> > >> >> > igurat
> > >> >> > ions.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > >> >> > arbitration during device initializatio
> > >> >> > n. Wit
> > >> >> >hout the pull-down the signal
> > >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> > is
> > >> >> > the
> > >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > >> to
> > >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Regards,
> > >> >> > Mike"
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > &
> > >> >> > gt; > >R>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
> > >> >> > suggested
> > >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
> > my
> > >> >> > 4000x
> > >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > >> Phatbox.
> > >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> > >> >> > since
> > >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> > to
> > >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> >> > From: Matt <
> > >> >> > BR>>
> > >> >> >; Drall
> > >> >> > e dralle@matronics.com
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> > >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > >> >> > need*
> > >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > >> coding
> > >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > >> >> > The
> > >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> > a
> > >> >> > little
> > >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > What P
> > >> >> >hatbox Said:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > http://www.m
> > >> >> > atroni
> > >> >> > cs.com/xdp
> > >> >> > 4000x/
> > >> >> > SonyCable5.pdf
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > >> >> > different.
> > >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > >> >> > connections
> > >> >> > are th
> > >> >> >e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> > >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> > >> have
> > >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > >> >> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > >> >> > y conn
> > >> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> > >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > >> >> > work
> > >> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > >> >> > arbitration during device i
> > >> >> > nitial
> > >> >> >ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> > is
> > >> >> > the
> > >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > >> >> > sho
> > >> >> > uld th
> > >> >> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Regards,
> > >> >> > Mike"
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > BR
> > >> >> > ;
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >&
> > >> >> > gt; &g
> > >> >> >t;
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > ==================================================================
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > g
> > >> >> > t;
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
> is
> > >> the
> > >> >> > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> > >> themodification
> > >> >> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
> > unit
> > >> for
> > >> >> me
> > >> >> > wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> > >> >> > not wo
> > >> >> >rking:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should
do
> > the
> > >> job
> > >> >> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
> that
> > in
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > >> because
> > >> >> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
> not
> > >> sure
> > >> >> if
> > >> >> > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
> when
> > >> >> directly
> > >> >> > connected to the head unit?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> >> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> > >> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> > is
> > >> >> >&
> > >> >> > gt; &g
> > >> >> >t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > >> whenever
> > >> >> > it's
> > >> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
and
> > >> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> > the
> > >> >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> > >> >> > he Son
> > >> >> > y Phatbox firmware?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Matt
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
> > >> >> > suggested
> > >> >> > and
> > >> >> > the pr
> > >> >> >oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > >> >> > 4000x
> > >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > >> >> > Phatbox.
> > >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> > >> >> > since
> > >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> > to
> > >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > ;
> > >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> > >> >> > ue. Be
> > >> >> >low are two links to some
> > >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > >> >> > need*
> > >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > >> >> > coding
> > >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > >> >> > The
> > >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> > a
> > >> >> > little
> > >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Wha
> > >> >> > t Matt
> > >> >> > Found on his cable:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > >> >> > different.
> > >> >> > Use the drawing that m
> > >> >> > atches
> > >> >> > best your installation.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > For reference, here is a message
> > >> >> > from M
> > >> >> > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > >> >> > a
> > >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> > >> >> > have
> > >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> > >> >> > can b
> > >> >> >e seen on the
> > >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> > >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > >> >> > work
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > g
> > >> >> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> > is
> > >> >> > the
> > >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > >> >> > to
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Regards,
> > >> >> > Mike"
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Matt G Drall
> > >> >> > e | Ma
> > >> >> > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
> > >> >> > suggested
> > >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
> > my
> > >> >> > 4000x
> > >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > >> Phatbox.
> > >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> > >> >> > since
> > >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> > >> >> > ation.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> > to
> > >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> > factory?
> > >> I'm
> > >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> > >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > >> >> > need*
> > >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > >> >> > coding
> > >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
> > >> >> > le you
> > >> >> > have.
> > >> >> > The
> > >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> > a
> > >> >> > little
> > >> >> > with respect to colors and pin
> > >> >> > numbe
> > >> >> > rs and what not:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > http://www.m
> > >> >> > atroni
> > >> >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > >> >> > different.
> > >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> > >> >> > ough P
> > >> >> >hatManager).
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Fo
> > >> >> > r refe
> > >> >> > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > >> a
> > >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> > >> have
> > >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > >> >> > y conn
> > >> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> > >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> > >> >> > 6.00 a
> > >> >> >nd an unmodified cable will
> > >> >> > work
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > gt; g
> > >> >> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> > is
> > >> >> > the
> > >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > >> to
> > >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Regards,
> > >> >> > Mike"
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > BR
> > >> >> > ;
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | <
> > >> >> > BR>>
> > >> >> >; 94551
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > ==================================================================
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> > >> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> > is
> > >> >> > there,
> > >> >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> > it's
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > p
> > >> >> >l
> > >> >> > ugged
> > >> >> > in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > >> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
> the
> > >> >> > Phatbox
> > >> >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Matt
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
> > >> >> > suggested
> > >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
> > my
> > >> >> > 4000x
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >&g
> > >> >> >t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
> the
> > >> >> Phatbox.
> > >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> > >> >> > s inst
> > >> >> > ead of 4.7k since
> > >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Anyone out there
> > >> >> > with
> > >> >> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> > >> >> > information on ho
> > >> >> > w the
> > >> >> >Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > >> >> > need*
> > >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > >> coding
> > >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > >> >> > The
> > >> >> > links are
> > >> >> > for re
> > >> >> > ference only and you might find
> > >> >> > you n
> > >> >> > eed to interpolate a
> > >> >> > little
> > >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > >> >> > different.
> > >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > &
> > >> >> >gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
> > >> using
> > >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > g
> > >> >> > t;
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > gt; > > R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> > system.
> > >> The
> > >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > >> a
> > >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> > >> have
> > >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
> > the
> > >> >> > PhatBox
> > >> >> > conne
> > >> >> >ctor.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> > >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > >> >> > work
> > >> >> > with any multi-device conf
> > >> >> > igurat
> > >> >> > ions.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > >> >> > stays
> > >> >> > high
> > >> >> > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > >> >> > the
> > >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > >> to
> > >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset.
> > >> >> > He wo
> > >> >> >uld know best about using the C90.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Regards,
> > >> >> > Mike"
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
> > >> >> > suggested
> > >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
> > my
> > >> >> > 4000x
> > >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> > >> >> > ommuni
> > >> >> > cates with the Phatbox.
> > >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> > >> >> since
> > >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >> >> > <
> > >> >> > BR>>
> > >> >> >; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > willing
> > >> to
> > >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> >> > From: Matt
> > >> >> > Drall
> > >> >> > e dralle@matronics.com
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> > >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > >> >> > need*
> > >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > >> coding
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > BR
> > >> >> > ; and what not might be different depending on
> > >> >> > the ve
> > >> >> >rsion of cable you have.
> > >> >> > The
> > >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> > a
> > >> >> > little
> > >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > http://www.m
> > >> >> > atroni
> > >> >> > cs.com/xdp
> > >> >> > 4000x/
> > >> >> > SonyCable5.pdf
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > >> >> > different.
> > >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> > >> >> > are (u
> > >> >> >pgradeable through PhatManager).
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Matt Drall
> > >> >> > e
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > >> a
> > >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> > >> have
> > >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > >> >> > ons > > R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > >> >> > y conn
> > >> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> > >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > >> >> > c
> > >> >> > onfigu
> > >> >> >rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > >> >> > work
> > >> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > >> >> > t is a
> > >> >> > n input. It is used for
> > >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> > is
> > >> >> > the
> > >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > >> >> > sho
> > >> >> > uld th
> > >> >> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Regards,
> > >> >> > Mike"
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > BR
> > >> >> > ;
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Matt G
> > >> >> > Dralle
> > >> >> > | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > ==================================================================
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > ;
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > g
> > >> >> > t;
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > matron
> > >> >> > ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
> > >> >> > A | 94
> > >> >> >551
> > >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > > > QUOTE>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
> > short
> > >> of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then
> from
> > >> itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's
a
> > list
> > >> of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
> > >> >
> > >> >Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB
> powers
> > up
> > >> fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
> > >> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
> C30:
> > PB
> > >> powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees
> the
> > PB.
> > >> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
> C30,
> > >> Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x
and
> > >> Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> > >> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
> C30,
> > >> XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> XM
> > >> Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> > >> >XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input
> of
> > >> XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
> > disappear,
> > >> C90 only sees the PB.
> > >> >
> > >> >Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected
> into
> > the
> > >> system without the PB.
> > >> >
> > >> >Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
> > down
> > >> and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both
> > >> sidesbesides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't
> > learn a
> > >> thing from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
> > problem
> > >> is...lol
> > >> >
> > >> >Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your
> system,
> > >> but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
> > to
> > >> have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset
> line
> > >> cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original
> > PBcable
> > >> from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it
> was
> > >> made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has
> been
> > >> made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that
> > were
> > >> made before the modification was put in place.
> > >> >
> > >> >I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I
> finished
> > >> all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've
> been!
> > >> Ahhhh!
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >-------------- Original message --------------
> > >> >From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >> >
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> > Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
> > >> > resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment.
> Well,
> > >> > unless you miss wire something... :-)
> > >> >
> > >> > The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger
> slave
> > on
> > >> > the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
> > has
> > >> a
> > >> > class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
> > some
> > >> > examples:
> > >> >
> > >> > CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
> > >> > MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> > >> > Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> > >> > Processors: 210, 4000x
> > >> > , inte
> > >> >rnal Bass/Treble
> > >> >
> > >> > On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for
> > each
> > >> > device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
> > "I'm
> > >> > Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> > >> > particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device
> class
> > >> > (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
> > >> >
> > >> > An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU
is
> > >> powered
> > >> > up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
> > >> > device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
> > protocol
> > >> > sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
> > address
> > >> > negotiation.
> > >> >
> > >> > The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the
> bus.
> > The
> > >> > closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
> > >> > asical
> > >> >ly what
> > >> > happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
> > >> connectivity
> > >> > to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the
> HU.
> > On
> > >> > the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
> > stream,
> > >> so
> > >> > negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
> > >> >
> > >> > The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the
CD
> > >> Changer
> > >> > class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
> > into
> > >> > the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
> > >> >
> > >> > That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
> > the
> > >> > 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but
I
> > wanted
> > >> > to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a
> > while
> > >> to
> > >> > figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> > >> > addressing that way, but I didn't really g
> > >> > et an
> > >> >answer back. I've written an
> > >> > embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
> > >> > microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is
> 100%
> > >> > compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do
it,
> > >> surly
> > >> > Phatbox could.
> > >> >
> > >> > If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here
> on
> > my
> > >> > two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >
> > >> > I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
> tried
> > >> > using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
> I
> > >> did
> > >> > not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> > >> >
> > >> > So you don't think the reset line in yo
> > >> > ur dia
> > >> >gram or a higher value resistor
> > >> > could be the problem, huh?
> > >> >
> > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> > plugging
> > >> > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> > >> > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
> Phatbox
> > >> > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
> but
> > I
> > >> > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you
a
> > >> > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
> > >> > rote:
> > >> >
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >
> > >> > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
is
> > the
> > >> > only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> > >> > modification
> > >> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> > for
> > >> > me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > >> > working:
> > >> >
> > >> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> the
> > >> > job
> > >> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> in
> > >> > the
> > >> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > >> > because
> > >> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> > sure
> > >> > i
> > >> > f that
> > >> > would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > >> > directly connected to the head unit?
> > >> >
> > >> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> > >> >
> > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >
> > >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
> > >> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > >> > whenever
> > >> > it's
> > >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > >> > controlled since it
> > >> > is pl
> > >> >ugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> > >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > >> >
> > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >
> > >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > >> >
> > >> > sugge
> > >> >sted
> > >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > >> > my
> > >> > 4000x
> > >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > >> > Phatbox.
> > >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > >> > since
> > >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >> >
> > >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > >> > willing
> > >> > to
> > >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > >> > someone
> > >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > >> > I'm
> > >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >> > &
> > >> > gt; &g
> > >> >t;
> > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > >> > some
> > >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > >> > *will
> > >> > need*
> > >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> > >> > color
> > >> > coding
> > >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > >> > have.
> > >> > The
> > >> >&
> > >> > gt; &g
> > >> >t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > >> > interpolate
> > >> > a
> > >> > little
> > >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >> >
> > >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > >> > different.
> > >> > &
> > >> > gt; Us
> > >> >e the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >> >
> > >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > >> > using
> > >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > >> > xdp-4000x.
> > >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > >> > PhatManager).
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > >> > when:
> > >> >
> > >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > >> > &g
> > >> > t;
> > >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > >> > connect
> > >> > a
> > >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> > >> > I
> > >> > have
> > >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >> >
> > >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> > >> > on
> > >> > the
> > >> > PhatBox connector.
> > >> >
> > >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > >> > unit.
> > >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > >> > co
> > >> > nfigur
> > >> >ations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > >> > will
> > >> > work
> > >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> > >> >
> > >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > >> > for
> > >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > >> > signal
> > >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > >> > when
> > >> > is
> > >> > the
> > >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > >> >
> > >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > >> > PhatBox
> > >> > should the
> > >> > n forc
> > >> >e a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > >> > listen
> > >> > to
> > >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >> >
> > >> > Regards,
> > >> > Mike"
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > <
> > >> >BR>
> > >> >
> > >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > >> > suggested
> > >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > >> > my
> > >> > 4000x
> > >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > >> > Phatbox.
> > >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > >> > since
> > >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >> >
> > >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > >> > willing
> > >> > to
> > >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > >> > so
> > >> > meone
> > >> >
> > >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > >> > I'm
> > >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >> >
> > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >> >
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > >> > some
> > >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > >> > *will
> > >> > need*
> > >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > >> > >
> > >> > ;
> > >> >coding
> > >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > >> > have.
> > >> > The
> > >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > >> > interpolate a
> > >> > little
> > >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >> >
> > >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.m
> > >> > atroni
> > >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >> > >
> > >> > ;
> > >> >
> > >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > >> > different.
> > >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >> >
> > >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > >> > using
> > >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > >> > xdp-4000x.
> > >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > >> > PhatManager).
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > >> > when:
> > >> >
> > >> > >
> > >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > >> > connect a
> > >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> > >> > I
> > >> > have
> > >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >> >
> > >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > >> > y conn
> > >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > >> > PhatBox connector.
> > >> >
> > >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > >> > unit.
> > >> >
> > >> > Firmw
> > >> >are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > >> > will
> > >> > work
> > >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> > >> >
> > >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > >> > for
> > >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > >> > signal
> > >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > >> > when
> > >> > is
> > >> > the
> > >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > >> >
> > >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > >> >
> > >> > &g
> > >> >t; PhatBox
> > >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > >> > listen
> > >> > to
> > >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >> >
> > >> > Regards,
> > >> > Mike"
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > BR
> > >> > ;
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >
> > >> > &g
> > >> > t; >
> > >> >;
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > ==================================================================
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So f
> > >> > rustra
> > >> >ting, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > >> > there,
> > >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> > >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> > >> > Phatbox
> > >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > >> >
> > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >> >
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > At 0
> > >> > 7:27 P
> > >> >M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >
> > >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > >> > suggested
> > >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
> > >> > 4000x
> > >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > >> > Phatbox.
> > >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > >> > since
> > >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >> >
> > >> > Anyone out there
> > >> > with
> > >> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB t
> > >> > hat > >R> someone
> > >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
> > >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >> >
> > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > >> > need*
> > >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > >> > coding
> > >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > >> > have.
> > >> > The
> > >> >
> > >> > &
> > >> >gt; links are for reference only and you might find
> > >> > you n
> > >> > eed to interpolate a
> > >> > little
> > >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >> >
> > >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > >> > different.
> > >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >> >
> > >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
> > >> > If yo
> > >> >u are using
> > >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > >> > xdp-4000x.
> > >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > >> > PhatManager).
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> > g
> > >> > t;
> > >> >
> > >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
> > >> >
> > >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> > >> > a
> > >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> > >> > have
> > >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > >> > (So
> > >> > nyCabl
> > >> >e5.pdf).
> > >> >
> > >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> > >> > PhatBox connector.
> > >> >
> > >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> > >> > work
> > >> > with any multi-device conf
> > >> > igurat
> > >> > ions.
> > >> >
> > >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
> > >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> > >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > >> >
> > >> >&
> > >> >gt; is
> > >> > the
> > >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > >> >
> > >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > >> > PhatBox
> > >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > >> > to
> > >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >> >
> > >> > Regards,
> > >> > Mike"
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
> > >> > Produc
> > >> >ts For Aircraft
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > >> > suggested
> > >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
> > >> > 4000x
> > >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > >> > Phatbox.
> > >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > >> > since
> > >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >> >
> > >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > >> > to
> > >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > >> > someone
> > >> >
> > >> > wouldn
> > >> >'t mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >> >
> > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> > From: Matt
> > >> > Drall
> > >> > e dralle@matronics.com
> > >> >
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > >> > need*
> > >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > >> > coding
> > >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > >> > have.
> > >> > &g
> > >> > t;
> > >> > The
> > >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> > >> > little
> > >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >> >
> > >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.m
> > >> > atroni
> > >> > cs.com/xdp
> > >> > 4000x/
> > >> > SonyCable5.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > >> > different.
> > >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >> > >
> > >> > ;
> > >> >
> > >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > >> > xdp-4000x.
> > >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > >> > PhatManager).
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
> > >> >
> > >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> > >> > a
> > >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> > >> > have
> > >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > >> > >
> > >> > ;
> > >> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >> >
> > >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > >> > y conn
> > >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > >> > PhatBox connector.
> > >> >
> > >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> > >> > work
> > >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> > >> >
> > >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
> > >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> > >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the
> > >> > PhatB
> > >> >ox has trouble knowing when
> > >> > is
> > >> > the
> > >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > >> >
> > >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > >> > PhatBox
> > >> > sho
> > >> > uld th
> > >> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >> >
> > >> > Regards,
> > >> > Mike"
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > BR
> > >> > ;
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> > >
> > >> > ;
> > >> >http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > ==================================================================
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > g
> > >> > t;
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > What do you know abou
> > >> > t the
> > >> >reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> > >> > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> > >> > themodification
> > >> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> > for
> > >> > me
> > >> > wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > >> > working:
> > >> >
> > >> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> the
> > >> > job
> > >> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> in
> > >> > the
> > >> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > >> > because
> > >> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> > sure
> > >> > if
> > >> > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > >> > directly
> > >> > connected to the head unit?
> > >> > >
> > >> > ;
> > >> >
> > >> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> > >> >
> > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >
> > >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
> > >> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> > >> > it's
> > >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
> > >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > >> >
> > >> > -
> > >> > ------
> > >> >------- Original message --------------
> > >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> > >> > he Son
> > >> > y Phatbox firmware?
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >
> > >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > >> > suggested
> > >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
> > >> > 4000x
> > >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > >> > Phatbox.
> > >> >
> > >> > Still
> > >> > wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > >> > since
> > >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >> >
> > >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> > >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> > >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
> > >> >
> > >> > ;
> > >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >> >
> > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > >> > &g
> > >> > t; inf
> > >> >ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > >> > need*
> > >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > >> > coding
> > >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> > >> > The
> > >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> > >> > little
> > >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >> >
> > >> > Wha
> > >> > t Matt
> > >> > Found on his cable:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > >> > different.
> > >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >> >
> > >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> > >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > For reference, here is a message
> > >> > from M
> > >> > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > >> >
> > >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> > >> > a
> > >> >&g
> > >> > t; >
> > >> >; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> > >> > have
> > >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >> >
> > >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> > >> > PhatBox connector.
> > >> >
> > >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> > >> > work
> > >> >
> > >> > g
> > >> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> > >> >
> > >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
> > >> >
> > >> > a
> > >> >rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> > >> > the
> > >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > >> >
> > >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> > >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > >> > to
> > >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >> >
> > >> > Regards,
> > >> > Mike"
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt G Drall
> > >> > e | Ma
> > >> > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle
> > >> > @matro
> > >> >nics.com Email
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > >> > suggested
> > >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
> > >> > 4000x
> > >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > >> > Phatbox.
> > >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > >> > since
> > >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >> >
> > >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> > >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> > >> <
> > >> > BR>>
> > >> >;
> > >> >
> > >> > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > >> > I'm
> > >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >> >
> > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >> >
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > >> > need*
> > >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > >> > coding
> > >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> > >> > The
> > >> >
> > >> >&g
> > >> >t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> > >> > little
> > >> > with respect to colors and pin
> > >> > numbe
> > >> > rs and what not:
> > >> >
> > >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.m
> > >> > atroni
> > >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > >> > different.
> > >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >> >
> > >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > >>
> > >> > >
> > >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> > >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Fo
> > >> > r refe
> > >> > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > >> >
> > >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> > >> > a
> > >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> > >> > have
> > >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >> >
> > >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > >> >
> > >> > &
> > >> >gt; y conn
> > >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > >> > PhatBox connector.
> > >> >
> > >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> > >> > work
> > >> >
> > >> > gt; g
> > >> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> > >> >
> > >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
> > >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> > >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> > >> > the
> > >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > >> > >
> > >> > ;
> > >> >
> > >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> > >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > >> > to
> > >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >> >
> > >> > Regards,
> > >> > Mike"
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > BR
> > >> > ;
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> > >> > 94551
> > >> >
> > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > ==========================================
> > >> > ======
> > >> >==================
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
> > >> > there,
> > >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> > >> > pl
> > >> > ugged
> > >> > in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > >> >&
> > >> > gt; &g
> > >> >t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
> the
> > >> > Phatbox
> > >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > >> >
> > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >> >
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >
> > >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > >> > suggested
> > >> > and the problem is still there... as soo
> > >> > n as t
> > >> >he Phatbox is plugged in my
> > >> > 4000x
> > >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > >> > Phatbox.
> > >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> > >> > s inst
> > >> > ead of 4.7k since
> > >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >> >
> > >> > Anyone out there
> > >> > with
> > >> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> > >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
> > >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >> >
> > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > -
> > >> >- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > >> > need*
> > >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > >> > coding
> > >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> > >> > The
> > >> > links are
> > >> > for re
> > >> > ference only and you might find
> > >> > you n
> > >> > eed to interpolate a
> > >> > little
> > >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >> >
> > >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.matronics.c
> > >> > om/xdp
> > >> >4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > >> > different.
> > >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >> >
> > >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> > >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> > g
> > >> > t;
> > >> >
> > >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > >> > when:
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> > >> > The
> > >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> > >> > a
> > >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> > >> > have
> > >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >> >
> > >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> > >> > PhatBox connector.
> > >> >
> > >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> > >> > wor
> > >> > k
> > >> >
> > >> > with any multi-device conf
> > >> > igurat
> > >> > ions.
> > >> >
> > >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
> > >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> > >> > stays
> > >> > high
> > >> > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > >> > the
> > >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > >> >
> > >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> > >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > >> > to
> > >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >> >
> > >> > Regards,
> > >> > Mike"
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > &g
> > >> >t;
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > >> > suggested
> > >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
> > >> > 4000x
> > >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> > >> > ommuni
> > >> > cates with the Phatbox.
> > >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > >> >
> > >> > s
> > >> >ince
> > >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >> >
> > >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> > >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> > >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
> > >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >> >
> > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> > From: Matt
> > >> > Drall
> > >> > e dralle@matronics.com
> > >> >
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > >> > *will
> > >> >
> > >> > need*
> > >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > >> > coding
> > >> >
> > >> > BR
> > >> > ; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > >> > have.
> > >> > The
> > >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> > >> > little
> > >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >> >
> > >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.m
> > >> > atroni
> > >> > cs.com/xdp
> > >> > 4000x/
> > >> > SonyCable5.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> > &g
> > >> >t;
> > >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > >> > different.
> > >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >> >
> > >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> > >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt Drall
> > >> > e
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
> > >> >
> > >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> > >> >
> > >> >&
> > >> >gt; a
> > >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> > >> > have
> > >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > >> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >> >
> > >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > >> > y conn
> > >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > >> > PhatBox connector.
> > >> >
> > >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> > >> > work
> > >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> > >> >
> > >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > >> > t is a
> > >> >>
> > >> > ;
> > >> > n input. It is used for
> > >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> > >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> > >> > the
> > >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > >> >
> > >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> > >> > sho
> > >> > uld th
> > >> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >> >
> > >> > Regards,
> > >> > Mike"
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > BR
> > >> > ;
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> >
> > >> >&g
> > >> >t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > ==================================================================
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > ;
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > g
> > >> > t;
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > matron
> > >> >
> > >> >&
> > >> >gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
> tried
> > >> > using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
> I
> > >> did
> > >> > not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> > >> >
> > >> > So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
> > resistor
> > >> > could be the problem, huh?
> > >> >
> > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> > From: Matt
> > >> > Drall
> > >> >e dralle@matronics.com
> > >> >
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> > plugging
> > >> > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> > >> > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
> Phatbox
> > >> > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
> but
> > I
> > >> > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you
a
> > >> > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >
> > >> > What do you kn
> > >> > ow abo
> > >> > ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> > >> >
> > >> > o
> > >> >nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> > >> > modification
> > >> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> > for
> > >> > me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > >> > working:
> > >> >
> > >> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> the
> > >> job
> > >> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> in
> > >> > the
> > >> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > >> because
> > >> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> > sure
> > >> > if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
> when
> > >> > directly connected to the head unit?
> > >> >
> > >> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> > >> >
> > >> > -------------- Original message -----------
> > >> >&
> > >> > gt; &g
> > >> >t; --- > > R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >
> > >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
> > >> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> > >> > it's
> > >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
> > >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > >> >
> > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> > Are you running the 7.0 version
> > >> > of the
> > >> > Sony Phatbox firmware? > > R>
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >
> > >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > >> > suggested
> > >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
> > >> > 4000x
> > >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > >> > Phatbox.
> > >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > >> > since
> > >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >> >
> > >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > >> > to
> > >> >
> > >> > gt;
> > >> > ; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
> > >> > able d
> > >> >irect from the factory? I'm
> > >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >> >
> > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > >> > *will
> > >> > need*
> > >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > >> > coding
> > >> > and what
> > >> > not mi
> > >> > ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> > >> > have.
> > >> > The
> > >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > >> > a
> > >> > little
> > >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >> >
> > >> > What Mat
> > >> > t Foun
> > >> >d on his cable:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > >> > different.
> > >> > Use the drawing that matches best your in
> > >> > stalla
> > >> > tion.
> > >> >
> > >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > >> > using
> > >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > >> > xdp-4000x.
> > >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > >> > PhatManager).
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > >> > when:
> > >> >
> > >> > "We changed
> > >> > cable
> > >> >manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > >> > connect
> > >> > a
> > >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> > >> > orang
> > >> > e (ground) wires. I
> > >> > have
> > >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >> >
> > >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> > >> > the
> > >> > PhatBox connector.
> > >> >
> > >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > >> > will
> > >> > work
> > >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> > >> >
> > >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > >> > t is a
> > >> >n input. It is used
> > >> > for
> > >> > g
> > >> > t;
> > >> > ; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > >> > signal
> > >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > >> > is
> > >> > the
> > >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > >> >
> > >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > >> > PhatBox
> > >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > >> > listen
> > >> > to
> > >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >> >
> > >> > Regards,
> > >> > Mike"
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > gt; Ma
> > >> > tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
> > >> > il
> > >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > >> > suggested
> > >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
> > >> > 4000x
> > >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > >> > Phatbox.
> > >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > >> > since
> > >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > gt; g
> > >> > t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> > >> > to
> > >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> > >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
> > >> >
> > >> > runnin
> > >> >g out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >> >
> > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >> >
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > >> > need*
> > >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
> > >> > wire.
> > >> > Note the color
> > >> > coding
> > >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > >> > have.
> > >> > The
> > >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> > >> > little
> > >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >> >
> > >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >> >
> > >> > http:/
> > >> > /www.m
> > >> >atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.m
> > >> > atroni
> > >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > >> > d
> > >> > iffere
> > >> > nt.
> > >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >> >
> > >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > >> > xdp-4000x.
> > >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > >> > PhatManager).
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > >> > when:
> > >> >
> > >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
> > >> > his s
> > >> >ystem. The
> > >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > >> > connect a
> > >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> > >> > orang
> > >> > e (ground) wires. I
> > >> > have
> > >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >> >
> > >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > >> > y conn
> > >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > >> > PhatBox connector.
> > >> >
> > >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > >> > will
> > >> > work
> > >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> > >> >
> > >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >a
> > >> > rbitra
> > >> > tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > >> > signal
> > >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > >> > is
> > >> > the
> > >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > >> >
> > >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > >> > PhatBox
> > >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > >> > to
> > >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >> >
> > >> > Regards,
> > >> > Mike"
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > BR
> > >> > ;
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> > >> > ore |
> > >> > CA | 94551
> > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> > >> > Aircra
> > >> >ft
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > ==================================================================
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
> > >> > a comp
> > >> > lete system reset
> > >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
> > >> > there,
> > >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> > >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
> > >> > shut d
> > >> >own when the
> > >> > Phatbox
> > >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > >> >
> > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >> >
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> > >> > by: bo
> > >> > bbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >
> > >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > >> > suggested
> > >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
> > >> > 4000x
> > >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > >> > Phatbox.
> > >> > Still wondering if that resist
> > >> > or sho
> > >> >uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > >> > since
> > >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >> >
> > >> > Anyone out there
> > >> > with
> > >> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> > >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
> > >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >> >
> > >> > -------------- Original me
> > >> > ssage
> > >> > --------------
> > >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > >> > need*
> > >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
> > >> > Note
> > >> >the color coding
> > >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> > >> > The
> > >> > links are for reference only and you might find
> > >> > you n
> > >> > eed to interpolate a
> > >> > little
> > >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >> >
> > >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >> > g
> > >> > t;
> > >> > ;
> > >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > >> > different.
> > >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >> >
> > >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > >> > anything else, you are going to h
> > >> > ave op
> > >> >erational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> > g
> > >> > t;
> > >> >
> > >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
> > >> >
> > >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > >> > connections
> > >> > are th
> > >> > e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> > >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> > have
> > >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >> >
> > >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> > >> > PhatBox connector.
> > >> >
> > >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > >> > Firmware
> > >> > 5.00
> > >> >and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> > >> > work
> > >> > with any multi-device conf
> > >> > igurat
> > >> > ions.
> > >> >
> > >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
> > >> > arbitration during device initializatio
> > >> > n. Wit
> > >> > hout the pull-down the signal
> > >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> > >> > the
> > >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > >> >
> > >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> > >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >> >
> > >> > Regards,
> > >> > Mike"
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >&g
> > >> > t; >
> > >> >;
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > gt; > > R
> > >> >
> > >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > >> > suggested
> > >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
> > >> > 4000x
> > >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > >> > since
> > >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >> >
> > >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> > >> > pa
> > >> > rt wit
> > >> >h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
> > >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >> >
> > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> > From: Matt
> > >> > BR
> > >> > ; Drall
> > >> > e dralle@matronics.com
> > >> >
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > >> > need*
> > >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> > >> > The
> > >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> > >> >
> > >> >&
> > >> >gt; little
> > >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >> >
> > >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > What P
> > >> > hatbox Said:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.m
> > >> > atroni
> > >> > cs.com/xdp
> > >> > 4000x/
> > >> > SonyCable5.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > >> > different.
> > >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >> >
> > >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> > >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> > <
> > >> > BR>>
> > >> >; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
> > >> >
> > >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > >> > connections
> > >> > are th
> > >> > e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> > >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> > have
> > >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > >> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >> >
> > >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > >> > y conn
> > >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > >> > PhatBox connector.
> > >> >
> > >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> > >> > work
> > >> > with any multi-devi
> > >> > ce con
> > >> >figurations.
> > >> >
> > >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
> > >> > arbitration during device i
> > >> > nitial
> > >> > ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> > >> > the
> > >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > >> >
> > >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> > >> > sho
> > >> > uld th
> > >> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >> >
> > >> > Regards,
> > >> > Mike"
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > BR
> > >> > ;
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
> > >> > Email
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > gt; g
> > >> > t;
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > ==================================================================
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > g
> > >> > t;
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
is
> > the
> > >> > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> > >> themodification
> > >> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> > for
> > >> >>
> > >> > ; me <
> > >> >BR> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> > >> > not wo
> > >> > rking:
> > >> >
> > >> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> the
> > >> job
> > >> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> in
> > >> > the
> > >> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > >> because
> > >> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> > sure
> > >> > if
> > >> > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > >> > directly
> > >> > connected to the head unit?
> > >> >
> > >> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> > >> >
> > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >
> > >> > &g
> > >> > t; Yes
> > >> >, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
> > >> >
> > >> > gt; g
> > >> > t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > whenever
> > >> > it's
> > >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
> > >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > >> >
> > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> > >> > he Son
> > >> > y Phatbox firmware?
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
> > >> > wrote
> > >> >:
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >
> > >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > >> > suggested
> > >> > and
> > >> > the pr
> > >> > oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > >> > 4000x
> > >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > >> > Phatbox.
> > >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > >> > since
> > >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >> >
> > >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> > >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> > >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
> > >> >
> > >> > ;
> > >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >> > &
> > >> > gt; > >R> -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> > >> > ue. Be
> > >> > low are two links to some
> > >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > >> > need*
> > >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > >> > coding
> > >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> > >> > The
> > >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> > >> > little
> > >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >> >
> > >> > Wha
> > >> > t Matt
> > >> > Found on his cable:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> >&
> > >> >gt;
> > >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > >> > different.
> > >> > Use the drawing that m
> > >> > atches
> > >> > best your installation.
> > >> >
> > >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> > >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > For reference, here is a message
> > >> > from M
> > >> > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > >> >
> > >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec
> > >> > t
> > >> >
> > >> > a
> > >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> > >> > have
> > >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >> >
> > >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> > >> > can b
> > >> > e seen on the
> > >> > PhatBox connector.
> > >> >
> > >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> > >> > work
> > >> >
> > >> > g
> > >> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> > >> >
> > >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
> > >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> > >> > stays high (+5V) at
> > >> > all ti
> > >> >mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > >> > the
> > >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > >> >
> > >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> > >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > >> > to
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >> >
> > >> > Regards,
> > >> > Mike"
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt G Drall
> > >> > e | Ma
> > >> > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > >> >
> > >> > sugge
> > >> >sted
> > >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
> > >> > 4000x
> > >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > >> > since
> > >> > there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> > >> > ation.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> > >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >> >
> > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >> >
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> > &
> > >> > gt; > >R>
> > >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > >> > need*
> > >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > >> > coding
> > >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
> > >> > le you
> > >> > have.
> > >> > The
> > >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> > >> > little
> > >> > with respect to colors and pin
> > >> > numbe
> > >> > rs and what not:
> > >> >
> > >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.m
> > >> > atroni
> > >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Depend
> > >> >ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > >> > different.
> > >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >> >
> > >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> > >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> > >> > ough P
> > >> > hatManager).
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Fo
> > >> > r refe
> > >> > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > >> >
> > >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> > a
> > >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> > have
> > >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description
> > >> > of the
> > >> > connections
> > >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >> >
> > >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > >> > y conn
> > >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > >> > PhatBox connector.
> > >> >
> > >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> > >> > 6.00 a
> > >> > nd an unmodified cable will
> > >> > work
> > >> >
> > >> > gt; g
> > >> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> > >> >
> > >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
> > >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> > >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> > >> > the
> > >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > >> >
> > >> > &g
> > >> > t; Aft
> > >> >er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >> >
> > >> > Regards,
> > >> > Mike"
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > BR
> > >> > ;
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> > >> > BR
> > >> > ; 94551
> > >> >
> > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > ==================================================================
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> >>
> > >> > ;
> > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
> > >> > there,
> > >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> > >> >
> > >> > p
> > >> > l
> > >> > ugged
> > >> > in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> > >> > Phatbox
> > >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > >> >
> > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >> >
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message p
> > >> > osted
> > >> >by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >> >
> > >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > >> > suggested
> > >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
> > >> > 4000x
> > >> >
> > >> > g
> > >> > t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > >> > Phatbox.
> > >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> > >> > s inst
> > >> > ead of 4.7k since
> > >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >> >
> > >> > Anyone out there
> > >> > with
> > >> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
> > >> > illing
> > >> > to
> > >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> > >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
> > >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >> >
> > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > >> > information on ho
> > >> > w the
> > >> > Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > >> > need*
> > >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> > >> > The
> > >> > links are
> > >> > for re
> > >> > ference only and you might find <
> > >> > BR>>
> > >> >; you n
> > >> > eed to interpolate a
> > >> > little
> > >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >> >
> > >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > >> > different.
> > >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> > >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > g
> > >> >> t;
> > >> >
> > >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
> > >> >
> > >> > gt; > > R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> system.
> > The
> > >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> > a
> > >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> > have
> > >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >> >
> > >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> > >> > PhatBox
> > >> > conne
> > >> > ctor.
> > >> >
> > >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> > >> > work
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >with any multi-device conf
> > >> > igurat
> > >> > ions.
> > >> >
> > >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
> > >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> > >> > stays
> > >> > high
> > >> > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > >> > the
> > >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > >> >
> > >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> > >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > >> > Matt regarding pushing reset.
> > >> > He wo
> > >> > uld know best about using the C90.
> > >> >
> > >> > Regards,
> > >> > Mike"
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-6
> > >> > 06-628
> > >> >1 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > >> > suggested
> > >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
> > >> > 4000x
> > >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> > >> > ommuni
> > >> > cates with the Phatbox.
> > >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > >> > since
> > >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >> >
> > >> > BR
> > >> > ; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> > to
> > >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> > >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a
> > >> > cable
> > >> > direct from the factory? I'm
> > >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >> >
> > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> > From: Matt
> > >> > Drall
> > >> > e dralle@matronics.com
> > >> >
> > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > >> > need*
> > >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > >> >
> > >> > BR
> > >> > ; and what not might be different depending on
> > >> > the ve
> > >> > rsion of cable you have.
> > >> > The
> > >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> > >> > little
> > >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers
> > >> > and w
> > >> >hat not:
> > >> >
> > >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.m
> > >> > atroni
> > >> > cs.com/xdp
> > >> > 4000x/
> > >> > SonyCable5.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > >> > different.
> > >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >> >
> > >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> > >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> > >> > are (u
> > >> > pgradeable through PhatManager).
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt Drall
> > >> > e
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > For reference, here is a messag
> > >> > e from
> > >> > Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > >> >
> > >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> > a
> > >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> > have
> > >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > >> > ons > > R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >> >
> > >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > >> > y conn
> > >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > >> > PhatBox connector.
> > >> >
> > >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > >> > c
> > >> > onfigu
> > >> > rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > >> > work
> > >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> > >> >>
> > >> > ;
> > >> >
> > >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > >> > t is a
> > >> > n input. It is used for
> > >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> > >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> > >> > the
> > >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > >> >
> > >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> > >> > sho
> > >> > uld th
> > >> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >> >
> > >> > Regards,
> > >> > Mike"
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > BR
> > >> > ;
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt G
> > >> > Dralle
> > >> > | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.c
> > >> > om Ema
> > >> >il
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > ==================================================================
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > ;
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > g
> > >> > t;
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > matron
> > >> > ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
> > >> > A | 94
> > >> > 551
> > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.co
> > >> > m Emai
> > >> >l
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > > > QUOTE
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > ist/se
> > >> >arch
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >Ok, I went ahead andclipped thereset wire and nowthe PBactually works in my
> > system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my
> > processor is not accepting analog audio at the analog changerinput any longer
> > (and it used to just fine)... Idid testand there is audio at the outputs of
> the
> > PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull highs.
> > >
> > >I threw my cd changerback in to see if my processor would accept analog audio
> > from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer
> > either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand since I always
> used
> > the digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
> > >
> > >I have yet to try my XM unit, which I know the analog outs used to work on
> > since those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in
my
> > system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late and
> I
> > don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
> > >
> > >So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially
> > convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said
> > before it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken
> inside
> > of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check
> > everything out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
> > >
> > >
> > >-------------- Original message --------------
> > >From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > Cut the reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that
> line
> > > down and never letting anyone else init.
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
> > short
> > > of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
> > it
> > > split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a
> list
> > > of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
> > >
> > > Phatbox (PB) plugged directly int
> > > o the
> > >Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
> > > up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
> > > XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30:
> PB
> > > powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees
the
> > PB.
> > > XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> > > Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> > > Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> > > XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> > > XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> XM
> > > Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> > > XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input
of
> > > XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
> > disappear,
> > > C90 only sees the PB.
> > >
> > >&
> > > gt; &g
> > >t;Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
> > the
> > > system without the PB.
> > >
> > > Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
> > down
> > > and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both sides
> > > besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn
a
> > > thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
> > problem
> > > is...lol
> > >
> > > Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
> > > but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
> to
> > > have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
> > > cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original PB
> > > cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than
> > it
> > > was made by Phatnoise) or age o
> > > f the
> > >cable so I don't know how recent it has
> > > been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables
> > that
> > > were made before the modification was put in place.
> > >
> > > I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
> > > all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
> > > Ahhhh!
> > >
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
> > > resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
> > > unless you miss wire something... :-)
> > >
> > > The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger sla
> > > ve
> > >> on
> > > the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
> has
> > > a
> > > class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
> > > some
> > > examples:
> > >
> > > CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
> > > MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> > > Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> > > Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
> > >
> > > On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
> > > device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
> "I'm
> > > Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> > > particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
> > > (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (lo
> > > w nibb
> > >le).
> > >
> > > An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
> > > powered
> > > up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
> > > device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
> protocol
> > > sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
> > > address
> > > negotiation.
> > >
> > > The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
> > > The
> > > closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
> > > happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
> > > connectivity
> > > to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
> On
> > > the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
> stream,
> > > so
> > >>
> > > ;
> > > negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
> > >
> > > The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
> > > Changer
> > > class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
> > > into
> > > the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
> > >
> > > That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
> the
> > > 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
> > > wanted
> > > to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
> > > to
> > > figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> > > addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've written
an
> > > embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
> > > microco
> > > ntroll
> > >er and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
> > > compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
> > > surly
> > > Phatbox could.
> > >
> > > If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here
on
> > > my
> > > two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> > > using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
I
> > > did
> > > not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> > >
> > > &g
> > > t; >
> > >;So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
> > > could be the problem, huh?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> > > plugging
> > > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> > > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
> > > Phatbox
> > > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
> > > I
> > > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> > > XA-C30 if you pr
> > > omise
> > >on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> > > the
> > > only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> > > modification
> > > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> > > for
> > > me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > > working:
> > >
> > > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> > > the > > R>
> > > job
> > > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> > > in
> > > the
> > > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > > because
> > > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> > > sure
> > > if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > > directly connected to the head unit?
> > >
> > > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > &g
> > > t; >
> > >;
> > > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> > > reset
> > > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> > > is
> > > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > > whenever
> > > it's
> > > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> > > the
> > > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > --
> > > XDP400
> > >0X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> > > as
> > > suggested
> > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> > > in
> > > my
> > > 4000x
> > > powers
> > > down,
> > >the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > Phatbox.
> > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> > > 4.7k
> > > since
> > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > > willing
> > > to
> > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > someone
> > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > > I'm
> > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > >
> > > -
> > >------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > > some
> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> > > you
> > > *will
> > > need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> > > color
> > > coding
> > > and what not might be different depending on the versi
> > > on of
> > >cable
> > > you
> > > have.
> > > The
> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > > interpolate
> > > a
> > > little
> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >
> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >
> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pd
> > > f
> > >
> > >
> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> > > little
> > > different.
> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >
> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
> > > are
> > > using
> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > PhatManager).
> > >
> > > Matt Dralle
> > > &
> > > gt; &g
> > >t;
> > >
> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> > > back
> > > when:
> > >
> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> > > The
> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > connect
> > > a
> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> > > wires.
> > > I
> > > have
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > &g
> > > t; >
> > >;
> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
> > > seen
> > > on
> > > the
> > > PhatBox connector.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > > unit.
> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> > > multi-device
> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> > > cable
> > > will
> > > work
> > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > >
> > > The problem is with the
> > > bus m
> > >aster signal. It is an input. It is
> > > used
> > > for
> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
> > > the
> > > signal
> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
> > > knowing
> > > when
> > > is
> > > the
> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
> > > The
> > > PhatBox
> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > > listen
> > > to
> > > &g
> > > t; >
> > >; Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> > > C90.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > > <
> > > BR>>
> > >;
> > >
> > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> > > as
> > > suggested
> > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> > > in
> > > my
> > > 4000x
> > > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > > Phatbox.
> > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> > > 4.7k
> > > since
> > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're > > R>
> > > willing
> > > to
> > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > someone
> > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > > I'm
> > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > > s
> > > ome > >R> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> you
> > > *will
> > > need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> > > color
> > > coding
> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> > > you
> > > have.
> > > The
> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > > interpolate a
> > > little
> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >
> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > &
> > > gt;>
> > >;
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >
> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > >
> > > http://www.m
> > > atroni
> > > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> > > little
> > > different.
> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >
> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > using
> > >
> > > &
> > >gt; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > PhatManager).
> > >
> > > Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> > > back
> > > when:
> > >
> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> > > The
> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > connect a
> > > &g
> > > t; >
> > >; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> > > wires.
> > > I
> > > have
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >
> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > y conn
> > > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > PhatBox connector.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > > unit.
> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> > > multi-device
> > > configuration
> > > s. I'm
> > > not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> > > cable
> > > will
> > > work
> > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > >
> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> > > used
> > > for
> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > signal
> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > > when
> > > is
> > > the
> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot
> > > and t
> > >hen shutdown. The
> > > PhatBox
> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > > listen
> > > to
> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> > > C90.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > >
> > > BR
> > > ;
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@m
> > > atroni
> > >cs.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ==================================================================
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Air
> > > craft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> > > reset
> > > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> > > is
> > > there,
> > > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> > > it's
> > > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
> > > the
> > > Phatbox
> > > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > >
> > > &
> > > gt;>
> > >; -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > suggested
> > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> > > in > >R> my
> > > 4000x
> > > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > Phatbox.
> > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> > > 4.7k
> > > since
> > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > > Anyone out there
> > > with
> > > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > someone
> > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > > I'm
> > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > &g
> > > t;
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > > *will
> > > need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > coding
> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > > have.
> > > The
> > > links are for reference only and you might f
> > > ind > >R> you n
> > > eed to interpolate a
> > > little
> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >
> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >
> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > different.
> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > &g
> > > t;
> > >
> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > using
> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > PhatManager).
> > >
> > > Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > g
> > > t;
> > >
> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > when:
> > >
> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > >
> > > conne
> > >ct
> > > a
> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > have
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >
> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> > > the
> > > PhatBox connector.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > > will
> > > work
> > > with any multi-device conf
> > >
> > >&g
> > >t; igurat
> > > ions.
> > >
> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > > for
> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > signal
> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > > when
> > > is
> > > the
> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > PhatBox
> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > > listen
> > > to
> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know be
> > > st abo
> > >ut using the C90.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >
> > >
> > > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > >
> > > &
> > >gt; suggested
> > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > > my
> > > 4000x
> > > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > > Phatbox.
> > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> > > 4.7k
> > > since
> > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > > willing
> > > to
> > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > someone
> > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > > I'm
> > >
> > > &
> > >gt; running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt
> > > Drall
> > > e dralle@matronics.com
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > > *will
> > > need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > coding
> > > and what not might be different dependi
> > > ng on
> > >the version of cable you
> > > have.
> > > The
> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > > a
> > > little
> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >
> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >
> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > >
> > > http://www.m
> > > atroni
> > > cs.com/xdp
> > > 4000x/
> > > SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > > >
> > > ;
> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > different.
> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >
> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > using
> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > PhatManager).
> > >
> > > Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > when:
> > >
> > > "We
> > > chang
> > >ed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > connect
> > > a
> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > have
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >
> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > y conn
> > > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > PhatBox connector.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable w
> > > orks w
> > >ith simple multi-device
> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > > will
> > > work
> > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > >
> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > > for
> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > signal
> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > > when
> > > is
> > > the
> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > PhatBox
> > > sho > > R>
> > > uld th
> > > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > >
> > > BR
> > > ;
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > > &
> > > gt; > >R>
> > > ==================================================================
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > > g
> > > t;
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > &
> > > gt;>
> > >; What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> > > the
> > > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> > > themodification
> > > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> > > for
> > > me
> > > wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > > working:
> > >
> > > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> > > the
> > > job
> > > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> > > in
> > > the
> > > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > > because
> > > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a fir
> > > mware
> > >update? Im not
> > > sure
> > > if
> > > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > > directly
> > > connected to the head unit?
> > >
> > > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> > > is
> > > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shut
> > > s down
> > >
> > > whenever
> > > it's
> > > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> > > the
> > > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> > > he Son
> > > y Phatbox firmware?
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > At
> > > 07:27
> > >PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > suggested
> > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > > my
> > > 4000x
> > > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > Phatbox.
> > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > since
> > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > > to
> > > par
> > > t with
> > > for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > someone
> > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > > I'm
> > >
> > > ;
> > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > > *will
> > > need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor be
> > > tween
> > >ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > coding
> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > > have.
> > > The
> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > > a
> > > little
> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >
> > > Wha
> > > t Matt
> > > Found on his cable:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >
> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > >
> > >&
> > >gt; Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > different.
> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >
> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > using
> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > PhatManager).
> > >
> > > Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > For reference, here is a message
> > > from M
> > > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > >
> > > "We chang
> > > ed cab
> > >le manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > connect
> > > a
> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > have
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >
> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> > > the
> > > PhatBox connector.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > configurations. I'm not sure if f
> > > irmwar
> > >e 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > > will
> > > work
> > >
> > > g
> > > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> > >
> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > > for
> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > signal
> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > > is
> > > the
> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > PhatBox
> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > > listen
> > > &g
> > > t;
> > > to
> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Drall
> > > e | Ma
> > > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> > > as > >R> suggested
> > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > > my
> > > 4000x
> > > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > > Phatbox.
> > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > since
> > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > > to
> > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > someone
> > >
> > >
> > > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > > >
> > > ;
> > >I'm
> > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > > *will
> > > need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > coding
> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > > have.
> > > T
> > > he
> > >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > > a
> > > little
> > > with respect to colors and pin
> > > numbe
> > > rs and what not:
> > >
> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >
> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > >
> > > http://www.m
> > > atroni
> > > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > different.
> > > >
> > > ;
> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >
> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > using
> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > PhatManager).
> > >
> > > Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Fo
> > > r refe
> > > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > >
> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > co
> > > nnect
> > >
> > > a
> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > have
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >
> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > y conn
> > > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > PhatBox connector.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > > will
> > > work
> > >
> > > &g
> > > t; >
> > >; gt; g
> > > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> > >
> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > > for
> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > signal
> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > > is
> > > the
> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > PhatBox
> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > > listen
> > > to
> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > &
> > > gt; > >R> Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > >
> > > BR
> > > ;
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> > > 94551
> > >
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ==================================================================
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > ;
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> > > is
> > > there,
> > > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> > > it's
> > > pl
> > > ugged
> > > in. I find it odd that the
> > > Phatb
> > >ox can still be recognized and
> > > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> > > Phatbox
> > > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > ;
> > >
> > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > suggested
> > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > > my
> > > 4000x
> > > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > Phatbox.
> > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> > > s inst
> > > ead of 4.7k since
> > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > > Anyone out there
> > > with
> > > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > so
> > > meone
> > >
> > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > > I'm
> > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > > *will
> > > need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > coding
> > > and what not might be different depending
> > > on the
> > > version of cable you
> > > have.
> > > The
> > > links are
> > > for re
> > > ference only and you might find
> > > you n
> > > eed to interpolate a
> > > little
> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >
> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >
> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little > >
R>
> > > different.
> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >
> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > using
> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > PhatManager).
> > >
> > > Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > g
> > > t;
> > >
> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > when:
> > >
> > > gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> > > system. > > R>
> > > The
> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > connect
> > > a
> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > have
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >
> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> > > the
> > > PhatBox connector.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > > will
> > >
> > > &
> > >gt; work
> > > with any multi-device conf
> > > igurat
> > > ions.
> > >
> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > > for
> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > signal
> > > stays
> > > high
> > > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > > the
> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > PhatBox
> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > > listen
> > > to
> > > &g
> > > t;
> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >
> > >
> > > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > s
> > > uggest
> > >ed
> > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > > my
> > > 4000x
> > > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> > > ommuni
> > > cates with the Phatbox.
> > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > since
> > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > > to
> > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > someone
> > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > > I'm
> > > running out of options here. Can anybody hel
> > > p?
> > >>
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt
> > > Drall
> > > e dralle@matronics.com
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > > *will
> > > need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > coding
> > >
> > > BR
> > > ; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > >>
> > > ;
> > > have.
> > > The
> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > > a
> > > little
> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >
> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >
> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > >
> > > http://www.m
> > > atroni
> > > cs.com/xdp
> > > 4000x/
> > > SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > >
> > > ;
> > > different.
> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >
> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > using
> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > PhatManager).
> > >
> > > Matt Drall
> > > e
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > when:
> > >
> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > connections are t
> > > he sam
> > >e but the colors are different. You want to
> > > connect
> > > a
> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > have
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >
> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > y conn
> > > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > PhatBox connector.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > > will
> > > >
> > > ;
> > > work
> > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > >
> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > > t is a
> > > n input. It is used for
> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > signal
> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > > is
> > > the
> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > PhatBox
> > > sho
> > > uld th
> > > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > > Matt regardi
> > > ng pus
> > >hing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > >
> > > BR
> > > ;
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ==================================================================
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > &
> > >gt;
> > > ;
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > > g
> > > t;
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > matron
> > > ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Bo
> > > x 347
> > >| Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> > > using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
I
> > > did
> > > not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> > >
> > > So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
> > > could be the problem, huh?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -- XDP
> > >4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> > > plugging
> > > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> > > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> > > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
> > > I
> > > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> > > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > What do you kn
> > >
> > >
> > >ow abo
> > > ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> > > only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> > > modification
> > > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> > > for
> > > me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > > working:
> > >
> > > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> > > job
> > > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
> > > the
> > > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > > because
> > > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> > > sure
> > > if that would help but you might want to ask
> > > Matt.
> > >Does it still work when
> > > directly connected to the head unit?
> > >
> > > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message -----------
> > > --- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> > > it's
> > > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
<
> > > BR>>
> > >; Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > Are you running the 7.0 version
> > > of the
> > > Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > suggested
> > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > > 4000x
> > >
> > >
> > >powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > Phatbox.
> > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > since
> > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > > to
> > >
> > > gt;
> > > ; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > someone
> > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted b
> > > y: Mat
> > >t Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > > *will
> > > need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > coding
> > > and what
> > > not mi
> > > ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> > > have.
> > > The
> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > > a
> > > little
> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >
> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com
> > > /xdp40
> > >00x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >
> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > different.
> > > Use the drawing that matches best your in
> > > stalla
> > > tion.
> > >
> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > using
> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > PhatManager).
> > >
> > > Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > For r
> > > eferen
> > >ce, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > when:
> > >
> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > connect
> > > a
> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> > > orang
> > > e (ground) wires. I
> > > have
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >
> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> > > the
> > > PhatBox connector.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > Firmware 5.00 and an
> > > unmod
> > >ified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > > will
> > > work
> > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > >
> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > > for
> > > g
> > > t;
> > > ; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > signal
> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > > is
> > > the
> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > PhatBox
> > > should then force a reset after a few
> > > second
> > >s. However, you should
> > > listen
> > > to
> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > gt; Ma
> > > tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > suggested
> > > and the problem is still there... as soon
> > > as th
> > >e Phatbox is plugged in my
> > > 4000x
> > > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > > Phatbox.
> > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > since
> > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > >
> > > gt; g
> > > t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > > to
> > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@
> > > matron
> > >ics.com
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
> > > wire.
> > > Note the color
> > > coding
> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > > have.
> > > The
> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > > little
> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >
> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > <
> > > BR>>
> > >; http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >
> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > >
> > > http://www.m
> > > atroni
> > > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > d
> > > iffere
> > > nt.
> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >
> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > PhatManager).
> > >
> > > Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > when:
> > >
> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > connect a
> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> > > orang
> > > e (ground) wires. I
> > > have
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >
> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > y conn
> > > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > PhatBox connector.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when direc
> > > tly co
> > >nnected to a head unit.
> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > > will
> > > work
> > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > >
> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > > a
> > > rbitra
> > > tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > signal
> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > > is
> > > the
> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > PhatBox
> > > sho
> > > uld th
> > >en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > > to
> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > >
> > > BR
> > > ;
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> > > ore |
> > > CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ==================================================================
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > <
> > > BR>>
> > >;
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
> > > a comp
> > > lete system reset
> > > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > > there,
> > > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> > > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> > >
> > > Phatb
> > >ox
> > > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> > > by: bo
> > > bbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > suggested
> > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > >
> > > 4000x
> > >
> > > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > Phatbox.
> > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > since
> > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > > Anyone out there
> > > with
> > > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original me
> > > ssage
> > > --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X
> > > -List
> > >message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > coding
> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > > The
> > > links are for reference only and you might find
> > > you n
> > > eed to interpolate a
> > > little
> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >
> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >
> > > ;
> > >g
> > > t;
> > > ;
> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > different.
> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >
> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> > >
> > > Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > g
> > > t;
> > >
> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > when:
> > >
> > >
> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > connections
> > > are th
> > > e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > have
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >
> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > > PhatBox connector.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > >
> > > work <
> > >BR> with any multi-device conf
> > > igurat
> > > ions.
> > >
> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > > arbitration during device initializatio
> > > n. Wit
> > > hout the pull-down the signal
> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
> > > the
> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > > to
> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > >
> > > &
> > >gt;
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >
> > >
> > > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > gt; R
> > >
> > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > suggested
> > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > > 4000x
> > > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > > Phatbox.
> > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >
> R>
> > > since
> > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
> > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt
> > > BR
> > > ; Drall
> > > e dralle@matronics.com
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > information
> > > on how
> > > the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > coding
> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > > The
> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > > little
> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >
> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >
> > >
> > > What P
> > > hatbox Said:
> > >
> > > http://www.m
> > > atroni
> > > cs.com/xdp
> > > 4000x/
> > > >
> > > ;
> > > SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > different.
> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >
> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> > >
> > > Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > >
> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > connections
> > > are th
> > > e same but the colors
> > > are di
> > >fferent. You want to connect a
> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > have
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >
> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > y conn
> > > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > PhatBox connector.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > > work
> > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > >
> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is us
> > > ed for
> > >
> > > arbitration during device i
> > > nitial
> > > ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
> > > the
> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > > sho
> > > uld th
> > > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > >
> > > BR
> > > ;
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermor
> > > e | CA
> > > | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > > gt; g
> > > t;
> > >
> > >
> > > ==================================================================
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > > g
> > > t;
> > >
> > >
> > > > > R>
> > >
> > >
> > > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> > > the
> > > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> > > themodification
> > > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> > > for
> > > me
> > > wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> > > not wo
> > > rking:
> > >
> > > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> > > job
> > > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
> > > the
> > > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > > because
> > > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update
> > > ? Im n
> > >ot
> > > sure
> > > if
> > > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > > directly
> > > connected to the head unit?
> > >
> > > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > >
> > > gt; g
> > > t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > > whenever
> > > it's
> > >
> > > &
> > >gt; plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> > > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> > > he Son
> > > y Phatbox firmware?
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister ins
> > > talled
> > > as
> > > suggested
> > > and
> > > the pr
> > > oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > > 4000x
> > > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > Phatbox.
> > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > since
> > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
> > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > >
> > > ;
> > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> > > ue. Be
> > > low are two links to some
> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > coding
> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > > The
> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > > little
> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >
> > >
> > > &
> > >gt; Wha
> > > t Matt
> > > Found on his cable:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >
> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > different.
> > > Use the drawing that m
> > > atches
> > > best your installation.
> > >
> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> > >
> > > >
> > > ;
> > > Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > For reference, here is a message
> > > from M
> > > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > >
> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > > a
> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > have
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >
> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> > > can b
> > > e seen on the
> > > PhatBox connector.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when dir
> > > ectly
> > >connected to a head unit.
> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > > work
> > >
> > > g
> > > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> > >
> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
> > > the
> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > > &g
> > > t; >
> > >; to
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Drall
> > > e | Ma
> > > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > suggested
> > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > >
> > > &
> > >gt; 4000x
> > > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > > Phatbox.
> > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > since
> > > there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> > > ation.
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
> > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > >
> > >
> > > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > > I'm
> > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >
> > > <
> > >BR> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > coding
> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
> > > le you
> > > have.
> > > The
> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > > little
> > > with respect to colors and pin
> > > numbe
> > > rs and what not:
> > >
> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >
> > >>
> > > ;
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >
> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > >
> > > http://www.m
> > > atroni
> > > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > different.
> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >
> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> > > ough P
> > > hatManager).
> > >
> > > Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > &g
> > >t; Fo
> > > r refe
> > > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > >
> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > > a
> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > have
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >
> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > y conn
> > > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > PhatBox connector.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with
> > > simpl
> > >e multi-device
> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> > > 6.00 a
> > > nd an unmodified cable will
> > > work
> > >
> > > gt; g
> > > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> > >
> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
> > > the
> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > > to
> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He
> > > would
> > >know best about using the C90.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > >
> > > BR
> > > ;
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> > > BR
> > > ; 94551
> > >
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ==================================================================
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Live
> > > rmore
> > >| CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > > there,
> > > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> > >
> > > p
> > > l
> > > ugged
> > > in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> > > Phatbox
> > > is plugged in... I just don't know
> > > what
> > >to do...
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > suggested
> > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > > 4000x
> > >
> > > g
> > > t; powers down, the system reset
> > > s and
> > >the C90 only communicates with the
> > > Phatbox.
> > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> > > s inst
> > > ead of 4.7k since
> > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > > Anyone out there
> > > with
> > > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > <
> > > BR>>
> > >; Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > information on ho
> > > w the
> > > Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > coding
> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > > The
> > > links are
> > > for re
> > > ference only and you might find
> > > you n
> > > eed to interpolate a
> > > little
> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >
> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >>
> > > ;
> > >
> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > different.
> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > using
> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> > >
> > > Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > g
> > > t;
> > >
> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoi
> > > se way
> > > back when:
> > >
> > > gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> > > The
> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > > a
> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > have
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >
> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > > PhatBox
> > > conne
> > > ctor.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
> > > unmod
> > >ified cable will
> > > work
> > > with any multi-device conf
> > > igurat
> > > ions.
> > >
> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > stays
> > > high
> > > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > > the
> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > > to
> > > Matt regarding pushing reset.
> > > He wo
> > > uld know best about using the C90.
> > > &g
> > > t;
> > >> Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >
> > >
> > > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > suggested
> > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > > 4000x
> > > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> > > ommuni
> > > cates with the Ph
> > > atbox.
> > >
> > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > since
> > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > > BR
> > > ; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > > to
> > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt
> > > Drall
> > > e dralle@matronics.com
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > ; Okay
> > >, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > coding
> > >
> > > BR
> > > ; and what not might be different depending on
> > > the ve
> > > rsion of cable you have.
> > > The
> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > > little
> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >
> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >
> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > >&
> > > gt; &g
> > >t;
> > > http://www.m
> > > atroni
> > > cs.com/xdp
> > > 4000x/
> > > SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > different.
> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >
> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> > > are (u
> > > pgradeable through PhatManager).
> > >
> > > Matt Drall
> > > e
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Wo
> > > o at P
> > >hatnoise way back when:
> > >
> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > > a
> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > have
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >
> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > y conn
> > > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > PhatBox connector.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > c
> > > onfigu
> > >
> > > ra
> > >tions. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > > work
> > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > >
> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > > t is a
> > > n input. It is used for
> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
> > > the
> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > > sho
> > > uld th
> > > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > <
> > > BR>>
> > >; Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > >
> > > BR
> > > ;
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G
> > > Dralle
> > > | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ==================================================================
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ;
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-100
> > > 1 V |
> > >925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > > g
> > > t;
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > matron
> > > ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
> > > A | 94
> > > 551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > QUOTE
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > &
> > >gt;
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
> > short
> > > of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
> > > itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's
a
> > list
> > > of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
> > >
> > > Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
> up
> > > fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
> > > XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C
> > > 30: PB
> > >
> > > powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees
the
> > PB.
> > > XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> > > Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> > > Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> > > XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> > > XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> XM
> > > Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> > > XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input
of
> > > XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
> > disappear,
> > > C90 only sees the PB.
> > >
> > > Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
> > the
> > > system without the PB.
> > >
> > > Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbo
> > > x is s
> > >hut down
> > > and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both
> > > sidesbesides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't
> learn
> > a
> > > thing from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
> problem
> > > is...lol
> > >
> > > Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
> > > but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
> to
> > > have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
> > > cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original
> PBcable
> > > from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it
> was
> > > made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has
> been
> > > made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that
> > were
> > > made before the modification was put in place.
> > >
> > >&g
> > > t; >
> > >;I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
> > > all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
> > > Ahhhh!
> > >
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
> > > resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
> > > unless you miss wire something... :-)
> > >
> > > The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger slave
> > on
> > > the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
> has
> > > a
> > > class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
> > some
> > > examples: > > R>
> > >
> > > CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
> > > MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> > > Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> > > Processors: 210, 4000x
> > > , inte
> > > rnal Bass/Treble
> > >
> > > On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
> > > device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
> "I'm
> > > Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> > > particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
> > > (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
> > >
> > > An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
> > > powered
> > > up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
> > > device) from the last time it started, it w
> > > ill re
> > >set the bus (both a protocol
> > > sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
> > address
> > > negotiation.
> > >
> > > The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
> > The
> > > closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
> > > asical
> > > ly what
> > > happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
> > > connectivity
> > > to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
> On
> > > the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
> stream,
> > > so
> > > negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
> > >
> > > The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
> > > Changer
> > > class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
> > into
> > > the HU or is on Port 1 of th
> > > e firs
> > >t XA-C30 in the chain.
> > >
> > > That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
> the
> > > 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
> > wanted
> > > to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
> > > to
> > > figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> > > addressing that way, but I didn't really g
> > > et an
> > > answer back. I've written an
> > > embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
> > > microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
> > > compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
> > > surly
> > > Phatbox could.
> > >
> > > If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here
on
> > my
> > > two installations to see if the
> > > probl
> > >em is the Phatbox or something else.
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> > > using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
I
> > > did
> > > not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> > >
> > > So you don't think the reset line in yo
> > > ur dia
> > > gram or a higher value resistor
> > > could be the problem, huh?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my insta
> > > llatio
> > >ns, I am plugging
> > > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> > > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> > > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
> > > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> > > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
> > > rote:
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
> > > only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> > > modification
> > > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> > > me wrote after I
> > > contac
> > >ted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > > working:
> > >
> > > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> > > job
> > > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
> > > the
> > > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > > because
> > > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> > > i
> > > f that
> > > would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > > directly connected to the head unit?
> > >
> > > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, a
> > >nd I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > > whenever
> > > it's
> > > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > controlled since it
> > > is pl
> > > ugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> > > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: b
> > > obbybr
> > >aun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > >
> > > sugge
> > > sted
> > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > > my
> > > 4000x
> > > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > Phatbox.
> > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > since
> > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > > willing
> > > to
> > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > someone
> > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > > I'm
> > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > >
> > > g
> > >t; g
> > > t;
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > > some
> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > > *will
> > > need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> > > color
> > > coding
> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > > have.
> > > The
> > >
> > > gt; g
> > > t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > > interpolate
> > > a
> > > little
> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >
> > > What Matt Found on his ca
> > > ble: <
> > >BR>
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >
> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > different.
> > >
> > > gt; Us
> > > e the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >
> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > using
> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > PhatManager).
> > >
> > > Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > when:
> > >
> > > "We changed cable ma
> > > nufact
> > >urers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > g
> > > t;
> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > connect
> > > a
> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> > > I
> > > have
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >
> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> > > on
> > > the
> > > PhatBox connector.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > > unit.
> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > co
> > > nfigur
> > > ations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > > will
> > > work
> > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > >
> > >&
> > >gt;
> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > > for
> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > signal
> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > > when
> > > is
> > > the
> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > PhatBox
> > > should the
> > > n forc
> > > e a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > > listen
> > > to
> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606
> > > -6281
> > >F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > BR
> > >
> > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > suggested
> > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > > my
> > > 4000x
> > > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > > Phatbox.
> > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > since
> > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > > willing
> > > to
> > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > so
> > > meone
> > >
> > > woul
> > > dn't m
> > >ind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > > I'm
> > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > > some
> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > > *will
> > > need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > >
> > > ;
> > > coding
> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > > have.
> > > The
> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > > interpolate a
> > > little
> > > >
> > > ; with
> > > respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >
> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >
> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > >
> > > http://www.m
> > > atroni
> > > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > > ;
> > >
> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > different.
> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >
> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > using
> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > PhatManager).
> > >
> > > Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Fo
> > > r refe
> > >rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > when:
> > >
> > >
> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > connect a
> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> > > I
> > > have
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >
> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > y conn
> > > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > PhatBox connector.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > > unit.
> > >
> > > Firmw
> > > are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
> > > unmod
> > >ified cable
> > > will
> > > work
> > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > >
> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > > for
> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > signal
> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > > when
> > > is
> > > the
> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > >
> > > g
> > > t; PhatBox
> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > > listen
> > > to
> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > >
> > > BR
> > > ;
> > > &
> > > gt; > >R>
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > > g
> > > t;
> > > ;
> > >
> > >
> > > ==================================================================
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > > afterwards, all to no avail. So f
> > > rustra
> > > ting, the C9
> > > 0 know
> > >s the Phatbox is
> > > there,
> > > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> > > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> > > Phatbox
> > > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > At 0
> > > 7:27 P
> > > M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> > > as
> > >> suggested
> > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > > 4000x
> > > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > Phatbox.
> > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > since
> > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > > Anyone out there
> > > with
> > > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB t
> > > hat > > R someone
> > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dra
> > > lle > >R>
> > >
> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > coding
> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > > have.
> > > The
> > >
> > >
> > > gt; links are for reference only and you might find
> > > you n
> > > eed to interpolate a
> > > little
> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >
> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >
> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > different.
> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >
> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
> > > If yo
> > > u are using
> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > PhatManager).
> > >
> > > Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > g
> > > t;
> > >
> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > >
> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > > a
> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > >
> > > ; have
> > >
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > (So
> > > nyCabl
> > > e5.pdf).
> > >
> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > > PhatBox connector.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > > work
> > > with any multi-device conf
> > > igurat
> > > ions.
> > >
> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > >
> > >
> > > gt; is
> > > >
> > > ; the
> > >
> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > PhatBox
> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > > to
> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >
> > >
> > > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
> > > Produc
> > > ts For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > suggested
> > > and the problem is still t
> > > here..
> > >. as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > > 4000x
> > > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > > Phatbox.
> > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > since
> > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > > to
> > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > someone
> > >
> > > wouldn
> > > 't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt
> > > Drall
> > > e dralle@matronics.com
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > <
> > >BR> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > coding
> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > > have.
> > > g
> > > t;
> > > The
> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > > little
> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >
> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >
> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > >
> > > http://www.m
> > > atroni
> > > cs.com/xdp
> > > 4000x/
> > > SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > > >
> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > different.
> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >
> > > ;
> > >
> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > PhatManager).
> > >
> > > Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > >
> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > > a
> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > have
> > >
> > > attach
> > >ed a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > >
> > > ;
> > > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >
> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > y conn
> > > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > PhatBox connector.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > > work
> > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > >
> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the
> > > PhatB
> > > ox has trouble knowing when
> > > is
> > > the
> > >
> > > right
> > >time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > PhatBox
> > > sho
> > > uld th
> > > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > >
> > > BR
> > > ;
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >
> > > ;
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ==================================================================
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > > g
> > > t;
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What do you know abou
> > > t the
> > > reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> > > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> > > themodification
> > > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> > > me
> > > wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > > working:
> > >
> > > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> > > job
> > > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing w
> > > as tha
> > >t in
> > > the
> > > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > > because
> > > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> > > if
> > > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > > directly
> > > connected to the head unit?
> > >
> > > ;
> > >
> > > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whe
> > > never
> > >
> > > it's
> > > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> > > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > >
> > > -
> > > ------
> > > ------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> > > he Son
> > > y Phatbox firmware?
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > suggested
> > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > > my > >R> 4000x
> > > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > Phatbox.
> > >
> > > Still
> > > wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > since
> > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
> > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > >
> > > ;
> > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > >
> > >&g
> > >t; g
> > > t; inf
> > > ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > coding
> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > > The
> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > > little
> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >
> > > Wha
> > > t Matt
> > > Found on his cable:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >
> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > different.
> > > >
> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >
> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> > >
> > > Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > For reference, here is a message
> > > from M
> > > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > >
> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > > a
> > > g
> > > t;
> > > ; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > have
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >&g
> > > t; >
> > >;
> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > > PhatBox connector.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > > work
> > >
> > > g
> > > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> > >
> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > >
> > > a
> > > rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
> > > the
> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > > >
> > > ; shou
> > >ld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > > to
> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Drall
> > > e | Ma
> > > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle
> > > @matro
> > > nics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > suggested
> > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > > 4000x
> > > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > > Phatbox.
> > > &
> > > gt; St
> > >ill wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > since
> > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
> > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > >
> > > BR
> > > ;
> > >
> > > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > > I'm
> > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > >
> > > &
> > >gt; need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > coding
> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > > The
> > >
> > > g
> > > t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> > > little
> > > with respect to colors and pin
> > > numbe
> > > rs and what not:
> > >
> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >
> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > >
> > > http://www.m
> > > atroni
> > > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > different.
> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >
> > >
> > > Are y
> > >ou using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > >
> > >
> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> > >
> > > Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Fo
> > > r refe
> > > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > >
> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > > a
> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > have
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >
> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > >
> > >
> > >&g
> > > t; >
> > >;gt; y conn
> > > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > PhatBox connector.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > > work
> > >
> > > gt; g
> > > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> > >
> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
> > > the
> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > ;
> > >
> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > > should then force a r
> > > eset a
> > >fter a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > > to
> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > >
> > > BR
> > > ;
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> > > 94551
> > >
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ==========================================
> > > ======
> > > ==================
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics
> > > .com/
> > >WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > > there,
> > > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> > > pl
> > > ugged
> > > in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > >
> > > gt; g
> > > t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> > > Phatbox
> > > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > Are you running the 7.0 version of
> > > the S
> > >ony Phatbox firmware?
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > suggested
> > > and the problem is still there... as soo
> > > n as t
> > > he Phatbox is plugged in my
> > > 4000x
> > > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > Phatbox.
> > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> > > s inst
> > > ead of 4.7k since
> > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > > Anyone out there
> > > with
> > > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > >
> > >
> > >wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > -
> > > - XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > coding
> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > > The
> > > links are
> > > for re
> > > ference only and you might find
> > > you n
> > > eed to interpolate a
> > > little
> > > with respect to colors and
> > > pin nu
> > >mbers and what not:
> > >
> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.c
> > > om/xdp
> > > 4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >
> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > different.
> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >
> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> > >
> > > Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > g
> > > t;
> > >
> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > >>
> > > ;
> > > when:
> > >
> > >
> > > gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> > > The
> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > > a
> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > have
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >
> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > > PhatBox connector.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > > wor
> > > k
> > >
> > > with any multi-device conf
> > > igurat
> > > io
> > > ns. > >R>
> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > stays
> > > high
> > > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > > the
> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > > to
> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > >
> > > g
> > > t;
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > suggested
> > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > > 4000x
> > > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> > > ommuni
> > > cates with the Phatbox.
> > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > >
> > > s
> > > ince
> > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
> > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > >
> > > r
> > >unning out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt
> > > Drall
> > > e dralle@matronics.com
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > > *will
> > >
> > > need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > coding
> > >
> > > BR
> > > ; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > > have.
> > > The
> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > > little
> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >
> > > &
> > > gt; Wh
> > >at Matt Found on his cable:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >
> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > >
> > > http://www.m
> > > atroni
> > > cs.com/xdp
> > > 4000x/
> > > SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > > g
> > > t;
> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > different.
> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >
> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> > >
> > > Matt Drall
> > > e
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise wa
> > > y back
> > > when:
> > >
> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > >
> > >
> > > gt; a
> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > have
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >
> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > y conn
> > > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > PhatBox connector.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > > work
> > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > >
> > >&g
> > > t; >
> > >; The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > > t is a
> > >
> > > ;
> > > n input. It is used for
> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
> > > the
> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > > sho
> > > uld th
> > > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > >
> > > BR
> > > ;
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >
> > > g
> > > t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-60
> > > 6-6281
> > > F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ==================================================================
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ;
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > > g
> > > t;
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > matron
> > >
> > >
> > > gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V |
> > > 925-60
> > >6-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> > > using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
I
> > > did
> > > not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> > >
> > > So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
> > > could be the problem, huh?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt
> > > Drall
> > > e dralle@matronics.com
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> plugging
> > > &g
> > > t; the
> > > Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> > > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> > > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
> > > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> > > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > What do you kn
> > > ow abo
> > > ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> > >
> > > o
> > > nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> > > modification
> > > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> > > me wrote after I contac
> > > ted hi
> > >m the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > > working:
> > >
> > > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> > > job
> > > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
> > > the
> > > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > > because
> > > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> > > if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > > directly connected to the head unit?
> > >
> > > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message -----------
> > >
> > > gt; g
> > > t; --- > > R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >>
> > > ;
> > >
> > > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> > > it's
> > > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> > > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > Are you running the 7.0 version
> > > of the
> > > Sony Phatbox firmware? > > R
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > -- XDP4
> > > 000X-L
> > >ist message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > suggested
> > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > > 4000x
> > > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > Phatbox.
> > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > since
> > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > > to
> > >
> > > gt;
> > > ; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
> > > able d
> > > irect from the factory? I'm
> > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > >&g
> > > t; >
> > >; -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > > *will
> > > need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > coding
> > > and what
> > > not mi
> > > ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> > > have.
> > > The
> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > > a
> > > little
> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >
> > > What Mat
> > > t Foun
> > > d on his cable:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/U
> > > nilink
> > >-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >
> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > different.
> > > Use the drawing that matches best your in
> > > stalla
> > > tion.
> > >
> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > using
> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > PhatManager).
> > >
> > > Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > when:
> > >
> > > "We changed
> > > cable
> > > manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > >
> > >&g
> > >t; connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > connect
> > > a
> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> > > orang
> > > e (ground) wires. I
> > > have
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >
> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> > > the
> > > PhatBox connector.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > > will
> > > work
> > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > >
> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > > t is a
> > > n input. It is used <
> > > BR>>
> > >; for
> > > g
> > > t;
> > > ; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > signal
> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > > is
> > > the
> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > PhatBox
> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > > listen
> > > to
> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > gt; Ma
> > > tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
> > > il
> > > h
> > > ttp://
> > >www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > suggested
> > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > > 4000x
> > > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > > Phatbox.
> > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > since
> > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > >
> > > gt; g
> > > t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > > to
> > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > >
> > > runnin
> > >>
> > > ;
> > >g out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
> > > wire.
> > > Note the color
> > > coding
> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > > have.
> > > The
> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > > little
> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >
> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >
> > > http:
> > > /
> > >
> > > /www.m
> > > atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >
> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > >
> > > http://www.m
> > > atroni
> > > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > d
> > > iffere
> > > nt.
> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >
> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > PhatManager).
> > >
> > > Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > when:
> > >
> > > "We changed cable man
> > > ufactu
> > >rers since Matt purchased
> > > his s
> > > ystem. The
> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > connect a
> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> > > orang
> > > e (ground) wires. I
> > > have
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >
> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > y conn
> > > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > PhatBox connector.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > > will
> > > work
> > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > >
> > > The problem is with th
> > > e bus
> > >master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > >
> > >
> > > a
> > > rbitra
> > > tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > signal
> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > > is
> > > the
> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > PhatBox
> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > > to
> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > >
> > > BR
> > > ;
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> > > ore |
> > > CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@
> > > matron
> > >ics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> > > Aircra
> > > ft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ==================================================================
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
> > > a comp
> > > lete system reset
> > > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > > there,
> > > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> > > plugged in. I find it
> > > odd t
> > >hat the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
> > > shut d
> > > own when the
> > > Phatbox
> > > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> > > by: bo
> > > bbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > suggested
> > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > > 4000x
> > > >
> > > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > Phatbox.
> > > Still wondering if that resist
> > > or sho
> > > uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > since
> > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > > Anyone out there
> > > with
> > > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original me
> > > ssage
> > > --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > >
> > >&
> > >gt; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
> > > Note
> > > the color coding
> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > > The
> > > links are for reference only and you might find
> > > you n
> > > eed to interpolate a
> > > little
> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >
> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > g
> > > t;
> > > ;
> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > different.
> > > Use t
> > > he dra
> > >wing that matches best your installation.
> > >
> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > anything else, you are going to h
> > > ave op
> > > erational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> > >
> > > Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > g
> > > t;
> > >
> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > >
> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > connections
> > > are th
> > > e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >
> > > The
> > > numbe
> > >rs can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > > PhatBox connector.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > Firmware
> > > 5.00
> > > and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > > work
> > > with any multi-device conf
> > > igurat
> > > ions.
> > >
> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > > arbitration during device initializatio
> > > n. Wit
> > > hout the pull-down the signal
> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
> > > the
> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > > &g
> > > t; sho
> > >uld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > >
> > > g
> > > t;
> > > ;
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >
> > >
> > > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > gt; > > R
> > >
> > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > suggested
> > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > > 4000x
> > > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox
> > > .
> > >
> > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > since
> > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
> > > pa
> > > rt wit
> > > h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt
> > > BR
> > > ; Drall
> > > e dralle@matronics.com
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
<
> > > BR>>
> > >; need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > > The
> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > >
> > >
> > > gt; little
> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >
> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >
> > >
> > > What P
> > > hatbox Said:
> > >
> > > http://www.m
> > > atroni
> > > cs.com/xdp
> > > 4000x/
> > > SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > different.
> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> > >
> > > Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > BR
> > > ; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > >
> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > connections
> > > are th
> > > e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >
> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > y conn
> > > ector. They c
> > > an be
> > >seen on the
> > > PhatBox connector.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > > work
> > > with any multi-devi
> > > ce con
> > > figurations.
> > >
> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > > arbitration during device i
> > > nitial
> > > ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
> > > the
> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > > sho
> > > uld th
> > > en force a reset after a few seconds. Ho
> > > wever,
> > > you should listen to
> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > >
> > > BR
> > > ;
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
> > > Email
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > > gt; g
> > > t;
> > >
> > >
> > > ==================================================================
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> > > Aircr
> > >aft
> > >
> > >
> > > g
> > > t;
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
> > > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> > > themodification
> > > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> > >
> > > ; me
> > > BR wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> > > not wo
> > > rking:
> > >
> > > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> > > job
> > > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
> > > the
> > > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > > because
> > > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware up
> > > date?
> > >Im not sure
> > > if
> > > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > > directly
> > > connected to the head unit?
> > >
> > > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > g
> > > t; Yes
> > > , and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > >
> > > gt; g
> > > t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > whenever
> > > it's
> > > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x
> > > which
> > >is shut down when the
> > > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> > > he Son
> > > y Phatbox firmware?
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
> > > wrote
> > > :
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > suggested
> > > and
> > > the pr
> > > oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > > 4000x
> > > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > >
> > > ; Phat
> > >box.
> > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > since
> > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
> > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > >
> > > ;
> > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > > gt; > > R -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> > > ue. Be
> > > low are two links to some
> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *wil
> > > l
> > >
> > > need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > coding
> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > > The
> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > > little
> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >
> > > Wha
> > > t Matt
> > > Found on his cable:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >
> > >
> > > gt;
> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > different.
> > > Use the drawing that m
> > > atches
> > > best your installation.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> > >
> > > Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > For reference, here is a message
> > > from M
> > > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > >
> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec
> > > t
> > >
> > > a
> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > have
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >
> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> > > can b > > R>
> > > e seen on the
> > > PhatBox connector.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > > work
> > >
> > > g
> > > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> > >
> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > stays high (+5V) at
> > > all ti
> > > mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > > the
> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should li
> > > sten <
> > >BR> to
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Drall
> > > e | Ma
> > > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > >
> > > sugge
> > > sted
> > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > > 4000x
> > > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k oh
> > > ms ins
> > >tead of 4.7k
> > > since
> > > there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> > > ation.
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
> > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > >
> > >
> > > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > gt; > > R
> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor
> > > betwe
> > >en ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > coding
> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
> > > le you
> > > have.
> > > The
> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > > little
> > > with respect to colors and pin
> > > numbe
> > > rs and what not:
> > >
> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >
> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > >
> > > http://www.m
> > > atroni
> > > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > >
> > > Depend
> > > ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > different.
> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >
> > > Are you using version 7.0 Son
> > > y firm
> > >ware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> > > ough P
> > > hatManager).
> > >
> > > Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Fo
> > > r refe
> > > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > >
> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description
> > > of the
> > > connections
> > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >
> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > y conn
> > > ector. They can be seen on the
> > >&g
> > > t; >
> > >; PhatBox connector.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> > > 6.00 a
> > > nd an unmodified cable will
> > > work
> > >
> > > gt; g
> > > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> > >
> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
> > > the
> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > g
> > > t; Aft
> > > er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, yo
> > > u shou
> > >ld listen to
> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > >
> > > BR
> > > ;
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> > > BR
> > > ; 94551
> > >
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ==================================================================
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >
> > > ;
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Produ
> > > cts Fo
> > >r Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > > there,
> > > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> > >
> > > p
> > > l
> > > ugged
> > > in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> > > Phatbox
> > > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message p
> > > osted
> > > by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > Are you running the 7.0 vers
> > > ion of
> > > the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > suggested
> > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > > 4000x
> > >
> > > g
> > > t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > Phatbox.
> > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> > > s inst
> > > ead of 4.7k since
> > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > > Anyone out there
> > > with
> > > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
> > > illing
> > > to
> > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bo
> > > ttom o
> > >f a Sony PB that someone
> > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > information on ho
> > > w the
> > > Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > > The
> > > links are
> > > for re
> > > ference only and you might find
> > > BR
> > > ; you n
> > > eed
> > > to int
> > >erpolate a
> > > little
> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >
> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >
> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > different.
> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> > >
> > > Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > g
> > > t;
> > >
> > >&g
> > >t;
> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > >
> > > gt; > > R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >
> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > > PhatBox
> > > conne
> > > ctor.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > > work
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >&
> > >gt; with any multi-device conf
> > > igurat
> > > ions.
> > >
> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > stays
> > > high
> > > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > > the
> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
> > > Matt regarding pushing reset.
> > > He wo
> > > uld know best about using the C90.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001
> > > V | 92
> > >5-6
> > > 06-628
> > > 1 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >
> > >
> > > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > suggested
> > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > > 4000x
> > > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> > > ommuni
> > > cates with the Phatbox.
> > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > since
> > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > > BR
> > > ; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > > wouldn'
> > > t mind
> > > me using to get myself a
> > > cable
> > > direct from the factory? I'm
> > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Matt
> > > Drall
> > > e dralle@matronics.com
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> > >
> > > BR
> > > ; and what not might be different depending on
> > > the ve
> > > rsion of cable you have.
> > > The
> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > >
> > > littl
> > >e
> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers
> > > and w
> > > hat not:
> > >
> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >
> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > >
> > > http://www.m
> > > atroni
> > > cs.com/xdp
> > > 4000x/
> > > SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > different.
> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >
> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> > > are (u
> > > pgradeable through PhatManager).
> > >
> > > Matt Drall
> > >
> > > e
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > For reference, here is a messag
> > > e from
> > > Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > >
> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > > ons > > R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >
> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > y conn
> > > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > PhatBox connector.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > c
> > > onfigu
> > > rations. I'm not sure if fi
> > > rmware
> > > 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > > work
> > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > >
> > > ;
> > >
> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > > t is a
> > > n input. It is used for
> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
> > > the
> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > > sho
> > > uld th
> > > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > >
> > > BR
> > > ;
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt
> > > G
> > >
> > > Dralle
> > > | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.c
> > > om Ema
> > > il
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ==================================================================
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ;
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > > g
> > > t;
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > matron
> > > ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >&g
> > > t; >
> > >;
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
> > > A | 94
> > > 551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.co
> > > m Emai
> > > l
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > QUOTE
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ist/se
> > > arch
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >&g
> > > t; htt
> > >p://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Yes, I've thought about all that already, but here is the thing, I can't get
any
> audio to be recognized by the 4000x through it's Analog Changer Inputs. The only
> reason I know it sounds bad is because I hooked a set of headphones up to the
> phatbox to test if any audio was present and when I listened it sounded
> horrible, (if not mono). I listened to the same exact mp3 file that was being
> played on the PB back inside on my computer through the same headset using the
> crappy non 24bit burr brown outputs of my laptop and it sounded 1000x more full
> and realistic, so that worries me. And the fact that I can't get any audio to
> play back when plugged into the analog changer inputs worries me even more, I
> really hope this thing didn't somehow damage my 4000x, there is no way I want
to
> send it off to Sony and let them hack away at it like they did with my last C90
> I sent them...
>
> I have done a full reset from the C90 and still nothing. I'll test out my other
> equipment that I know was working beforehand tomorrow and then I'll know more,
> but that still doesn't change the issue with the terrible sound output of the
> PB.
>
> ------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Great news!
>
> Couple of things come to mind with respect to your new audio woes. Digital vs
> Analog input on the 4000x is only negotiated on reset (button on C90), so with
> all the plugging around, make sure that you set things up like you want, then
> press that reset button.
>
> Second, the "tinny" sound might be because you've selected an unprogrammed
> EQ/Xover setting on the 4000x. The default setting has some of the Xover
> settings off or highly attenuated.
>
> Plug your PC back into the 4000x and double check all of your EQ and XO memory
> locations, and then make sure you select the right ones on the HU.
>
> Almost there!
>
> Matt
> <
> BR>>
> ;
> At 08:13 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Ok, I went ahead and clipped the reset wire and now the PB actually works in
my
> system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my
> processor is not accepting analog audio at the analog changer input any longer
> (and it used to just fine)... I did test and there is audio at the outputs of
> the PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull highs.
>
> I threw my cd changer back in to see if my processor would accept analog audio
> from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer
> either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand since I always
> used
> the digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
>
> I have yet to try my
> XM uni
> t, which I know the analog outs used to work on
> since those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in my
> system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late and
I
> don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
>
> So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially
> convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said
> before it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken
> inside
> of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check
> everything out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> C
> ut the
> reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that
> line
> down and never letting anyone else init.
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
> short
> of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
> it
> split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a list
> of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
>
> Phatbox (PB) plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
> up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
>
> &g
> t; XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30:
> PB
> powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
> PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
> Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
> XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
> disappear,
> C90 only sees the PB.
>
> &g
> t; >
> ; Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
> the
> system without the PB.
>
> Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
> down
> and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both sides
> besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a
> thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
> problem
> is...lol
>
> Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
> but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
> to
> have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
> cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used b
> ut fac
> tory original PB
> cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than
> it
> was made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has
> been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables
> that
> were made before the modification was put in place.
>
> I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
> all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
> Ahhhh!
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Well, if you're handy with a soldering i
> ron, I
> would try both the higher
> resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment.
> Well,
> unless you miss wire something... :-)
>
> The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger
> slave
> on
> the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
> has
> a
> class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
> some
> examples:
>
> CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
> MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
>
> &
> gt;
> On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for
> each
> device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
> "I'm
> Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
> (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
>
> An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
> powered
> up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
> device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
> protocol
> sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole ne
> w bus
>
> address
> negotiation.
>
> The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
> The
> closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
> happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
> connectivity
> to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
> On
> the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
> stream,
> so
> negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
>
> The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
> Changer
> class so you have to be really careful t
> hat it
> is either directly plugged
> into
> the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
>
> That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
> the
> 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
> wanted
> to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a
> while
> to
> figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've written
> an
> embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
> microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
> compatible with
> the m
> aster/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
> surly
> Phatbox could.
>
> If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here
> on
> my
> two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
> tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
> I
> did
> not try it with it instal
> led ho
> wever so I'll give it another try.
>
> So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
> resistor
> could be the problem, huh?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> plugging
> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
> Phatbox
> >
> ; dire
> ctly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
> but
> I
> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you
> a
> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
> is
> the
> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> modification
> &
> gt; &g
> t; of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
> unit
> for
> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
> that
> in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
> not
> sure
> if that woul
> d help
> but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
> when
> directly connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
> Phatbox
> is
> &g
> t;
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
> and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down
> when
> the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 v
> ersion
> of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
> installed
> as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
> plugged
> in
> my
> 4000x
> powers
> down,
> the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
> the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
> of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
> that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> I'm
> &g
> t;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
> to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> you
> *will
> nee
> d*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note
> the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of
> cable
> you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
> &
> gt;>
> ;
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> A
> re you
> using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
> are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with
> the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> back
> when:
>
> &
> gt; &g
> t; "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
> to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
> seen
> &
> gt;>
> ; on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
> head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master si
> gnal.
> It is an input. It
> is
> used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
> the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
> knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
> The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few s
> econds
> . However, you
> should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using
> the
> C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@ma
> tronic
> s.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
> installed
> as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
> plugged
> in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with
> the <
> BR>>
> ; Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
> of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
> that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody hel
> p?
> >
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
> to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground
> and th
> e blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of
> cable
> you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.
> pdf > R>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
> are
> using
> &g
> t; >
> ; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
>
> connec
> tions are the same but the colors are different. You want
> to
> connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> &
> gt; An
> unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
> head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
> the
> signal
> &g
> t; >
> ; stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
> knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
> The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you
> should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
>
> &g
> t; >
> ; Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> &g
> t;
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> &
> gt; &g
> t;
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
> Phatbox
> is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
> and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
> the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
>
> &g
> t; -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
>
> &
> gt; suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
> the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo
> of the
> bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
>
> &g
> t; need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www
> .matro
> nics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> &
> gt;>
> ; Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires. I
> >
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> will
> work
> with any multi
> -devic
> e conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a
> reset
> after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Fea
> turing
> Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seeme
> d to b
> e a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> >
> ;
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> &g
> t; a <
> BR> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you ha
> ve, th
> ings might be a
> little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> wh
> en: > R>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
> &
> gt; &g
> t;
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble kn
> owing
>
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> >
> ;
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> &g
> t;
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
>
>
> What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
> is
> the
> only other difference shown in your diagramth
> at was
> n't done in
> themodification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
> unit
> for
> me
> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
> that
> in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
>
> &g
> t; not
> sure
> if
> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly
> connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustra
> ting,
> the C90 knows the
> Phatbox
> is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
> and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are yo
> u runn
> ing the 7.0 version of t
> he Son
> y Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
>
> ;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> &
> gt; &g
> t; -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
>
> &g
> t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> Wha
> t Matt
> Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little <
> BR>>
> ; different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message
> from M
> ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> &g
> t; >
> ;
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly
> conne
> cted to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
>
> g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> >
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
> >
> ;
> tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
>
> &
> gt; Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
>
>
> gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original messa
> ge ---
> -----------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
>
>
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin
> numbe
> rs and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depen
> ding o
> n what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> Fo
> r refe
> rence, here is a message from Mik
> e Woo
> at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> &
> gt;
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
>
> gt; g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatB
> ox has
> trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
> >
> ;
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> 94551
>
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matroni
> cs | P
> O Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
> Phatbox
> is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> pl
> ugged
> &g
> t;
> in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
> the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> <
> BR> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> s inst
> ead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of inf
> ormati
> on.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> &
> gt;
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are
> for re
> ference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> >
> ;
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your P
> hatbox
> ? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> system.
> The
> connections are the same
> but th
> e colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not s
> ure if
> firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays
> high
> (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the Ph
> atBox
> is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
>
> &
> gt; gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> ommuni
> cates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> &g
> t; sin
> ce
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
>
> &
> gt; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
>
> BR
> ; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to <
> BR>>
> ; interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>
> &g
> t; different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Drall
> e
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> &
> gt;
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> &g
> t; >
> ; An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
> n input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> >
> ;
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> &g
> t;
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
> ;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermo
> re | C
> A | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
> matron
> ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>
> 9
> 25-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
> tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
> I
> did
> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>
> So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
> resistor
> could be the problem, huh?
>
> -------------- Original message -------------
> -
>
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> plugging
> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
> Phatbox
> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
> but
> I
> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you
> a
> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>
> Matt
>
> &
> gt;
>
> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> What do you kn
> ow abo
> ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> modification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
> unit
> for
> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> >
> the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
> when
> directly connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message -----------
> --- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
>
> -- XD
> P4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> >
> ; -- X
> DP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version
> of the
> Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> &
> gt; Ph
> atbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
>
> gt;
> ; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
> >
> ;
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what
> not mi
> ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> &g
> t;
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your in
> stalla
> tion.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> >
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> orang
>
> &
> gt; e (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem
> is wit
> h the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> g
> t;
> ; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90. <
> BR>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> gt; Ma
> tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still
> there.
> .. as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
>
> gt; g
> t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running ou
> t of o
> ptions here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
> wire.
> Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
>
> &
> gt; The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> d
> iffere
> >
> ;
> nt.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but t
> he col
> ors are different. You want to
> connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> orang
> e (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.
> 00 and
> an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> a
> rbitra
> tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset aft
> er a f
> ew seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> ore |
> CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> &g
> t;
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
> a comp
> lete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
>
> is > R> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
> &g
> t;
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> by: bo
> bbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
>
> &
> gt; Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original me
> ssage
> --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >
> ;
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> g
> &
> gt;>
> ; t;
> ;
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> &g
> t; g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections
> are th
> e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
> >
> ;
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initializatio
> n. Wit
> hout the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> &
> gt;>
> ; right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; htt
> p://ww
> w.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> gt; R
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare So
> ny Pha
> tbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> BR
> ; Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-S
> ony ca
> bles are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
>
> What P
> hatbox Said:
> &
> gt; &g
> t;
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> &
> gt; &g
> t;
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections
> are th
> e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
>
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device i
> nitial
> ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
> >
> ;
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > R>
>
>
> gt; g
> t;
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
> &g
> t; >
> ;
>
>
> What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> the
> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> themodification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
> unit
> for
> me
> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> not wo
> rking:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> in
> the
>
> &
> gt; diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> if
> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly
> connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalle
> d the
> firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
>
> gt; g
> t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> &g
> t;
> Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> he Son
> y Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and
> the pr
> oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >
> ; Phat
> box.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
>
> ;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-L
> ist me
> ssage posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> ue. Be
> low are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
>
> &g
> t; Wha
> t Matt
> Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that m
> atches
> best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operati
> onal i
> ssues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message
> from M
> ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>
> &
> gt; (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> can b
> e seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
>
> g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> &g
> t; >
> ; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
>
>
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
> &g
> t; >
> ;
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
> tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> &g
> t;
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> ation.
>
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
>
>
> gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matroni
> cs.com
>
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
> le you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to col
> ors an
> d pin
> numbe
> rs and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
>
> &g
> t; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> ough P
> hatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> Fo
> r refe
> rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> ha
> ve
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> 6.00 a
> nd an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> gt; g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
> &
> gt; &g
> t;
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
> &
> gt;
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> BR
> ; 94551
>
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> &
> gt; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
>
> p
> l
> ugged
> in. I find i
> t odd
> that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net > R>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
>
> g
> t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> s inst
> ead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>
> &g
> t; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on ho
> w the
> Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the
> 4.7k o
> hm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are
> for re
> ference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matroni
> cs.com
> /xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
>
>
> gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
>
> For r
> eference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox
> conne
> ctor.
>
> A
> n unmo
> dified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays
> high
> (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> &
> gt;
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset.
> He wo
> uld know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> &g
> t;
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> ommuni
> cates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> >
> ; BR&g
> t;
> ; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>
> &g
> t; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
>
> BR
> ; and what not might be different depending on
> the ve
> rsion of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatb
> ox-Cab
> le-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> are (u
> &g
> t; >
> ; pgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Drall
> e
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbe
> rs can
> not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> c
> onfigu
> rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
> n input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-do
> wn the
>
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> >
> ;
> Matt G
> Dralle
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
> ;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
> Email
>
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
> matron
> ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
> A | 94
> 551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> ;
>
>
>
> QUOTE
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
> short
> of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
> itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. H
> ere's
> a
> list
> of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
>
> Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
> up
> fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30:
> PB
> powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
> PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
> >
> ; Radi
> o both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
> XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
> disappear,
> C90 only sees the PB.
>
> Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
> the
> system without the PB.
>
> Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
> down
> and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both
> sidesbesides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't
> learn a
> thing from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
> problem
> is...lol
>
> Matt, I may just take
> you u
> p on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
> but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
> to
> have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
> cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original
> PBcable
> from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it was
> made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has been
> made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that
> were
> made before the modification was put in place.
>
> I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
> all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
> Ahhhh!
>
> >
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
> resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
> unless you miss wire something... :-)
>
> The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger slave
> on
> the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
> has
> a
> class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
> some
> examples:
>
> CD Changer: CD Chan
> gers,
> Phatbox, XA-300
> MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> Processors: 210, 4000x
> , inte
> rnal Bass/Treble
>
> On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for
> each
> device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
> "I'm
> Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
> (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
>
> An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
> powered
> up. If the HU discover
> s that
> there is anything different (new or missing
> device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
> protocol
> sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
> address
> negotiation.
>
> The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
> The
> closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
> asical
> ly what
> happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
> connectivity
> to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
> On
> the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
> stream,
> so
> negotiation goes from Po
> rt 1 t
> o Port 2 to Port 3.
>
> The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
> Changer
> class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
> into
> the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
>
> That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
> the
> 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
> wanted
> to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a
> while
> to
> figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> addressing that way, but I didn't really g
> et an
> answer back. I've written an
> &g
> t; emb
> edded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
> microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
> compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
> surly
> Phatbox could.
>
> If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
> my
> two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to see if i
> t had
> an effect. This last time I
> did
> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>
> So you don't think the reset line in yo
> ur dia
> gram or a higher value resistor
> could be the problem, huh?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> plugging
> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have
> tried
> that at some point, but
> I
> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
> rote:
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> the
> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> modification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
>
>
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> i
> f that
> would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
>
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it
> is pl
> ugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dral
> le
> >
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>
> sugge
> sted
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conf
> lict o
> f information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> gt; g
> t;
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on
> how th
> e Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
>
> gt; g
> t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
> >
> ;
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
>
> gt; Us
> e the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> &
> gt; &g
> t; "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> g
> t;
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-
> device
>
> co
> nfigur
> ations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should the
> n forc
> e a reset
> after
> a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> BR
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the P
> hatbox
> is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> so
> meone
>
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original messa
> ge ---
> -----------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>
> ;
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate a
> little
> with respec
> t to c
> olors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> ;
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> >
> ;
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
>
> &
> gt; ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
>
> Firmw
> are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> &
> gt;>
> ; the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>
> g
> t; PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
> &
> gt;
> g
> t;
> ;
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So f
> rustra
> ting, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>
> &g
> t; there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 0
> 7:27 P
> M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> &g
> t;
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB t
> hat R someone
> wo
> uldn't
> mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
>
>
> gt; links ar
> e for
> reference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
> If yo
> u are using
> anything els
> e, you
> are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (So
> nyCabl
> e5.pdf).
>
> &g
> t;
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
>
>
> g
> t; is
>
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
> Produc
> ts For Ai
> rcraft
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
>
> &
> gt; &g
> t; wouldn
> 't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> &g
> t;
> g
> t;
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> >
> ; ; > R>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description
> of th
> e connecti
>
> ;
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times.
> Thus
> the
> PhatB
> ox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> &
> gt; &g
> t;
> ;
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
>
>
> What do you know abou
> t the
> >
> ;
> reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> themodification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> me
> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> if
> &
> gt;>
> ; that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly
> connected to the head unit?
>
> ;
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still b
> e reco
> gnized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -
> ------
> ------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> he Son
> y Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >
> ;
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
>
> Still
> wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
> ;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> --
> ------
> ------ Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> g
> t; inf
> ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
>
>
> Wha
> t Matt
> Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
>
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt
> Drall
> e
>
>
> For reference, here is a message
> from M
> ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> g
> t;
> ; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when dir
> ectly
> connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>
> a
> rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few secon
> ds. Ho
> wever, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
> tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle
> @matro
> nics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there
> ... as
> soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>
> BR
> ;
>
> gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------
> ------
>
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
>
> g
> t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin
> numbe
> rs and what not:
> >
> ;
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>
>
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> &g
> t;
> > Matt Dralle
>
>
> Fo
> r refe
> rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>
>
> gt; y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> &
> gt;
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> gt; g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> ;
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shut
> down.
> The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> 94551
>
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==========================================
> ======
> ================== > R>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> pl
> ugged
> in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> &
> ;
>
> gt; g
> t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> &
> gt;>
> ; and the problem is still there... as soo
> n as t
> he Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> s inst
> ead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> ---------
> -----
> Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
>
> -
> - XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are
> for re
> ference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to
> colors
> and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.c
> om/xdp
> 4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> <
> BR> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
>
> gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
>
> &
> gt; An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> wor
> k
>
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays
> high
> (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and
> then
> shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resi
> ster i
> nstalled as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> ommuni
> cates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>
> s
> ince
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> &
> gt; --
> ------------ Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
>
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
>
> BR
> ; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>
> &
> gt; little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> g
> t;
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going
> to ha
> ve operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Drall
> e
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
>
>
> gt; a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The number
> s can
> not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
>
> ;
> n input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
>
> &g
> t; right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>
> g
> t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
> &g
> t; >
> ;
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
> ;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
> matron
>
>
> gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>
>
>
>
> >
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
> did
> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>
> So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
> resistor
> could be the problem, huh?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> &
> gt; &g
> t; From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> plugging
> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
> I
> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> &g
> t;
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> What do you kn
> ow abo
> ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
>
> o
> nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> modification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be c
> ut. I
> didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message -----------
>
> gt; g
> t; --- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there, and
> can co
> ntrol it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version
> of the
> Sony Phatbox firmware? R
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@com
> cast.n
> et
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
>
> gt;
> ; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
> a
> ble d
>
> irect from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what
> not mi
> ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are
> for r
> eference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Mat
> t Foun
> d on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your in
> stalla
> tion.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
>
>
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed
> cable
> manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> orang
> e (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF w
> ith a
> detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
> n input. It is used
> for
> g
> t;
> ; arbitration during device initializat
> ion. W
> ithout the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> gt; Ma
> tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>
> &g
> t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
> il
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
>
> gt; g
> t;Anyone out there with
> a wor
> king spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
> runnin
> g out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
>
>
> wire.
> Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http:/
> /www.m
> atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >
> d
> iffere
> nt.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
> his s
> ystem. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to <
> BR>>
> ; connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> orang
> e (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> &
> gt; &g
> t; The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>
>
> a
> rbitra
> tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> >
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> ore |
> CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> Aircra
> ft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featu
> ring P
> roducts For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
> a comp
> lete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
> shut d
> own when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matron
> ics.co
> m
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> by: bo
> bbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resist
> or sho
> >
> ;
> uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original me
> ssage
> --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some <
> BR>>
> ; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
> Note
> the color coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> g
> t;
> ;
> What Phatbox Said:
>
>
> h
> ttp://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to h
> ave op
> erational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
> his s
> ystem. The
> connections
> are th
> e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware
> 5.00
> and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
> >
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initializatio
> n. Wit
> hout the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> g
>
> &g
> t; t;
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> gt; R
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >
> ;
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> pa
> rt wit
> h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> BR
> ; Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> &
> gt; &g
> t; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>
>
> gt; little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
>
> What P
> hatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> >
> ; atro
> ni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> BR
> ; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
> his sy
> stem. The
> connections
> are th
> e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-devi
> &
> gt; &g
> t; ce con
> figurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device i
> nitial
> ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> <
> BR> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
> Email
>
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> gt; g
> t;
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.
> com/ W
> WW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
>
>
> What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> the
> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> themodification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
>
> ; me
> BR wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> not wo
> rking:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not ma
> tter b
> ut I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> if
> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly
> connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> g
> t; Yes
> , and I even reinsta
> lled t
> he firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>
> gt; g
> t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> he Son
> y Phatbox firmware?
> >
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
> wrote
> :
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and
> the pr
> oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a
> worki
> ng spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
> ;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> gt; R -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> ue. Be
> low are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground a
> nd the
> blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> Wha
> t Matt
> Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
>
> gt;
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> >
> Use the drawing that m
> atches
> best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message
> from M
> ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec
> t
>
> a
> 1
> 0k res
> istor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> can b
> e seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is us
> ed for
>
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at
> all ti
> mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
>
>
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
> &
> gt; &g
> t; tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>
> sugge
> sted
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> ation.
>
> &g
> t; >
> ;
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>
>
> gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> gt; R
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> &
> gt; &g
> t; the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
> le you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin
> numbe
> rs and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
>
> &
> gt; De
> pend
> ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> ough P
> hatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> Fo
> r refe
> rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the co
> lors a
> re different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description
> of the
> connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> 6.00 a
> nd an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> gt; g
>
> t
> ; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> g
> t; Aft
> er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> &
> gt; &g
> t; ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> BR
> ; 94551
>
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>
> ;
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
> Produ
> cts For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
>
> p
> l
> ugged
> in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.
> com > R>
> -- XDP4000X-List message p
> osted
> by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
>
> g
> t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that res
> istor
> should've been 10k ohm
> s inst
> ead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
> illing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below
> are t
> wo links to some
> information on ho
> w the
> Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are
> for re
> ference only and you might find
> BR
> ; you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> &
> gt; &g
> t; What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
>
>
> gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way b
> ack wh
> en:
>
> gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox
> conne
> ctor.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodi
> fied c
> able will
> work
>
>
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays
> high
> (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset.
> He wo
> uld know best ab
> out us
> ing the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-6
> 06-628
> 1 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets an
> d the
> C90only c
> ommuni
> cates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> BR
> ; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a
> cable
> direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
>
> &
> gt; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
>
> BR
> ; and what not might be different depending on
> the ve
> rsion of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers
> and w
> hat not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> ;
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> are (u
> pgradeable through PhatManager).
>
>
> Matt D
> rall
> e
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a messag
> e from
> Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cab
> le sho
> uld work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> c
> onfigu
> rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> ;
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
> n input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBo
> x
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G
> Dralle
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.c
> om Ema
> il
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ======================================================
> ======
> ======
>
>
>
>
> ;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
> matron
> ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
> A | 94
> 551
> >
> ;
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.co
> m Emai
> l
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> QUOTE
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> ist/se
> arch
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matroni
> cs | P
> O Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ok, I went ahead andclipped thereset wire and nowthe PBactually works in my
> system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my
> processor is not accepting analog audio at the analog changerinput any longer
> (and it used to just fine)... Idid testand there is audio at the outputs of the
> PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull highs.
>
> I threw my cd changerback in to see if my processor would accept analog audio
> from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer
> either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand sinc
> e I al
> ways used
> the digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
>
> I have yet to try my XM unit, which I know the analog outs used to work on
> since those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in my
> system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late and
I
> don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
>
> So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially
> convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said
> before it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken
> inside
> of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check
> everything out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Drall
> e dral
> le@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Cut the reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that line
> down and never letting anyone else init.
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
> short
> of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
> it
> split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a list
> of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
>
> Phatbox (PB) plugged directly int
> o the
> Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
>
> up fin
> e and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30: PB
> powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
> PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
> Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
> XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
> disappear,
> C90 only sees the PB.
> <
> BR>>
> ;
> gt; g
> t;Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
> the
> system without the PB.
>
> Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
> down
> and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both sides
> besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a
> thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
> problem
> is...lol
>
> Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
> but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going to
> have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
> cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original PB
> &
> gt; ca
> ble from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than
> it
> was made by Phatnoise) or age o
> f the
> cable so I don't know how recent it has
> been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables
> that
> were made before the modification was put in place.
>
> I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
> all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
> Ahhhh!
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
> resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equi
> pment.
> Well,
> unless you miss wire something... :-)
>
> The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger sla
> ve
> on
> the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has
> a
> class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
> some
> examples:
>
> CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
> MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
>
> On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
> device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with "I'm
> Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> pa
> rticul
> ar device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
> (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (lo
> w nibb
> le).
>
> An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
> powered
> up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
> device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a protocol
> sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
> address
> negotiation.
>
> The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
> The
> closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
> happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
> connectivity
> to all of the slaves down stream until i
> t rece
> ives an address from the HU. On
> the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the stream,
> so
>
> ;
> negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
>
> The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
> Changer
> class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
> into
> the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
>
> That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the
> 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
> wanted
> to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
> to
> figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> addressing that way, but I did
> n't re
> ally get an answer back. I've written an
> embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
> microco
> ntroll
> er and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
> compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
> surly
> Phatbox could.
>
> If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
> my
> two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
>
> did <
> BR> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>
> g
> t;
> ;So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
> could be the problem, huh?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> plugging
> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
> Phatbox
> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
> I
> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> XA-C30 if you pr
> &g
> t; >
> ; omise
> on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> the
> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> modification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> the > R
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> in
> the
> d
> iagram
> you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> g
> t;
> ;
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever <
> BR>>
> ; it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> --
> XDP400
> 0X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> >
> ; in <
> BR> my
> 4000x
> powers
> down,
> the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
>
> -
> ------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> <
> BR>>
> ; Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the versi
> on of
> cable
> you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp40
> 00x/So
> nyCable5.pd
> f
>
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
> are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> gt; g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are diffe
> rent.
> You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
> g
> t;
> ;
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
> seen
> on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the
> bus m
> &g
> t; >
> ;aster signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
> the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
> knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
> The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> g
> t;
> ; Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>
> &
> gt; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're > R
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a ph
> oto of
> the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> s
> ome > R information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only
> and y
> ou might find you need to
> interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> gt;
> ;
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
>
>
> gt; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using
> 7.0 S
> ony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect a
> g
> t;
> ; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly co
> nnecte
> d to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> multi-device
> configuration
> s. I'm
> not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot
> and t
> hen shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should <
> BR>>
> ; listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@m
> atroni
> cs.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Air
>
>
> craft
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
> the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
>
> gt;
> ; -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 vers
> ion of
> the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in > R my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> &
> gt; &g
> t; someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> g
> t;
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might f
> ind > R you n
> eed to inter
> polate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> g
> t;
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
>
> &
> gt; t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
>
> conne
> ct
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmo
> dified
> cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
>
> g
> t; igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know be
> st abo
> ut using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> &
> gt;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>
>
> gt; suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a worki
> ng spa
> re Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
>
>
> gt; running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be differ
> ent de
> pendi
> ng on
> the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
>
> ;
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anyth
> ing el
> se, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We
> chang
> ed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
> &
> gt; > R> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable w
> orks w
> ith simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> sho > R
> uld th
> en force a reset after a
> few s
> econds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> gt; > R
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> ;
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
>
>
>
> gt;
> ; What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> the
> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> themodification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> me
> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower dow
> n it s
> eemed that they fixed that with a fir
> mware
> update? Im not
> sure
> if
> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly
> connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shut
> s down
>
> whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be
> recogn
> ized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> he Son
> y Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At
> 07:27
> PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets
> and th
> e C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> par
> t with
> for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
>
> ;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information
> on how
> the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor be
> tween
> ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> Wha
> t Matt
> Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
>
>
> gt; Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>
> diffe
> rent.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message
> from M
> ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We chang
> ed cab
> le manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description
> of the
> connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if f
> irmwar
> e 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
>
> g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initial
> ize it
> self.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> g
> t;
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
> tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as > R suggested
> and the problem is stil
> l ther
> e... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
>
>
> gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
>
> ;
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> by: M
> att Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> T
> he
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin
> numbe
> rs and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> &
> gt; cs
> .com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
>
> ;
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> Fo
> r refe
> rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> co
> nnect
> &
> gt; > R> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
>
> g
> t;
> ; gt; g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device ini
> tializ
> ation. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> gt; > R Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> 94551
>
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
> <
> BR>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> pl
> ugged
> in. I find it odd that the
> Phatb
> ox can still be recognize
> d and
>
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> ;
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90
> only
> communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> s inst
> ead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> so
> meone
>
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the
> Phatbo
> x-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending
> on the
> version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are
> for re
> ference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little > R
> differen
> t.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> system. > R
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attach
> ed a P
> DF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
>
>
> gt; work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays
> high
> (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> > the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> g
> t;
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> s
>
> u
> ggest
> ed
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> ommuni
> cates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody hel
> p?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matron
> ics.co
> m
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
>
> BR
> ; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
>
> ;
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phat
> box Sa
> id:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>
> ;
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Drall
> e
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >
> connections are t
> he sam
> e but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
>
> ;
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
>
> &
> gt; t is a
> n input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regardi
> ng pus
> hing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http
> ://www
> .matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
> gt;
> ;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
> matron
> ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Bo
> x 347
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@mat
> ronics
> .com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
> did
> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>
> So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
> could be the problem, huh?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
>
> -- XDP
> 4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> plugging
> the Phatbox into the system
> using
> one of these. Basically
> C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
> I
> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> What do you kn
>
>
> ow abo
> ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> modification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> me wrote after I contacted
> him t
> he last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> if that would help but you might want to ask
> Matt.
> Does it still work when
> directly connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message -----------
> --- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> BR
> ; Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version
> of the
> Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-Li
> st mes
> sage posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
>
>
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
>
> gt;
> ; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> <
> BR>>
> ; -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted b
> y: Mat
> t Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what
> not mi
> ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com
> &
> gt; &g
> t; /xdp40
> 00x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your in
> stalla
> tion.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For r
> eferen
> ce, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers s
> ince M
> att purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> orang
> e (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an
> unmod
> ified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master s
> ignal.
> It is an input. It is used
> for
> g
> t;
> ; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few
> second
> s. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> gt; Ma
> tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dr
> alle@m
> atronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon
> as th
> e Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
>
> gt; g
> t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable dir
> ect fr
> om the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@
> matron
> ics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
> wire.
> Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
>
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> BR
> ; http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> d
> iffere
> nt.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike W
> oo at
> Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> orang
> e (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when direc
> tly co
> nnected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> >
> ;
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> a
> rbitra
> tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> >
> ore |
> CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
> a comp
> lete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can c
> ontrol
> it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
>
> Phatb
> ox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> by: bo
> bbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> >
> ; and
> the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>
> 4000x
>
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original me
> ssage
> --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X
> -List
> message posted by:
> Matt
> Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> ;
> g
> t;
> ;
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5
> .pdf <
> BR>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections
> are th
> e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
>
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>
> work
> BR with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initializatio
> n. Wit
> hout the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
>
> &
> gt; right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
> gt;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> gt; R
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... a
> s soon
> as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k > R
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> BR
> ; Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay
> , here
> 's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information
> on how
> the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
>
> What P
> hatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
>
> ;
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> &g
> t;
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections
> are th
> e same but the colors
> are di
> fferent. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> att
> ached
> a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is us
> ed for
>
> arbitration during device i
> nitial
> ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initial
> ize it
> self.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermor
> e | CA
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> gt; g
> t;
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> &g
> t; Mat
> t G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
> > R
>
>
> What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> the
> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> themodification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> me
> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> not wo
> rking:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but
> I coul
> d be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update
> ? Im n
> ot
> sure
> if
> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly
> connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>
> gt; g
> >
> ;
> t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
>
>
> gt; plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> he Son
> y Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister ins
> t
> alled
>
> as
> suggested
> and
> the pr
> oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
> ;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4
> 000X-L
> ist message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> ue. Be
> low are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
>
>
> gt; Wha
> t Matt
> Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matroni
> cs.com
> /xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that m
> atches
> best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
>
> ;
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message
> from M
> ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the bl
> ue (bu
> s master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> can b
> e seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when dir
> ectly
> connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox ha
> s trou
> ble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> g
> t;
> ; to
>
>
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
> tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed a
> s
>
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>
>
> gt; 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> ation.
>
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>
>
> gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> &g
> t; >
> ;
>
> BR -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
> le you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin
> numbe
> rs and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
>
> ;
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Sa
> id: > R>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> ough P
> hatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
>
> g
> t; Fo
> r refe
> rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are diff
> erent.
> You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with
> simpl
> e multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> 6.00 a
> nd an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> gt; g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during de
> vice i
> nitialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He
> would
> know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> BR
> ; 94551
>
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> <
> BR>>
> ;
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Live
> rmore
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
>
> p
> l
> ugged
> in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x wh
> ich is
> shut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know
> what
> to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
>
> g
> t; powers down, the system reset
> s and
> the C90 only communicates with the <
> BR>>
> ; Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> s inst
> ead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> BR
> ; Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on ho
> w the
> Phatbox-Sony cables are wi
> red. N
> ote that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are
> for re
> ference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> ;
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation. <
> BR>>
> ;
>
>
> gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoi
> se way
> back when:
>
> gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
> <
> BR>>
> ; The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox
> conne
> ctor.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
> unmod
> ified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays
> high
> (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boo
> t and
> then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset.
> He wo
> uld know best about using the C90.
> g
> t;
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system
> reset
> s and the C90only c
> ommuni
> cates with the Ph
> atbox.
>
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> BR
> ; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
>
> ; Okay
> , here's some help on thi
> s cabl
> e issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
>
> BR
> ; and what not might be different depending on
> the ve
> rsion of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> gt; g
> t;
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> <
> BR> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> are (u
> pgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Drall
> e
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Wo
> o at P
> hatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>
> &g
> t; have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> c
> onfigu
>
> ra
> tions. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
> n input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble know
> ing wh
> en is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> BR
> ; Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G
> Dralle
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
> <
> BR>
> ;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-100
> 1 V |
> 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
> matron
> ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
> A | 94
> 551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> QUOTE
>
>
>
>
> gt;
> &
> gt; &g
> t;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
> short
> of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
> itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a
> list
> of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
>
> Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers up
> fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C
> 30:
> PB
> >
> powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
> PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
> Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
> XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
> disappear,
> C90 only sees the PB.
>
> Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
> the
> system without the PB.
> &g
> t;
> > Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbo
> x is s
> hut down
> and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both
> sidesbesides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn
> a
> thing from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the problem
> is...lol
>
> Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
> but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going to
> have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
> cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original PBcable
> from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it was
> made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has been
>
> &g
> t; made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that
> were
> made before the modification was put in place.
>
> g
> t;
> ;I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
> all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
> Ahhhh!
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
> resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
> unless you miss wire something... :-)
>
> The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first C
> DChang
> er slave
> on
> the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has
> a
> class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
> some
> examples: > R
>
> CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
> MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> Processors: 210, 4000x
> , inte
> rnal Bass/Treble
>
> On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
> device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with "I'm
> Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
> (high nibble) and the device's assigned address
> on th
> e UB (low nibble).
>
> An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
> powered
> up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
> device) from the last time it started, it w
> ill re
> set the bus (both a protocol
> sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
> address
> negotiation.
>
> The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
> The
> closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
> asical
> ly what
> happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
> connectivity
> to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU. On
> the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device
> in th
> e stream,
> so
> negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
>
> The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
> Changer
> class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
> into
> the HU or is on Port 1 of th
> e firs
> t XA-C30 in the chain.
>
> That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the
> 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
> wanted
> to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
> to
> figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> addressing that way, but I didn't really g
> et an
> answer back. I've written an
> embedded processor Unilink Slave emulat
> or tha
> t runs on an 8051-compatible
> microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
> compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
> surly
> Phatbox could.
>
> If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
> my
> two installations to see if the
> probl
> em is the Phatbox or something else.
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
> did
> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>
> >
> ;
> So you don't think the reset line in yo
> ur dia
> gram or a higher value resistor
> could be the problem, huh?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my insta
> llatio
> ns, I am plugging
> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> A
> t 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
> rote:
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> modification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
> me wrote after I
> contac
> ted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmw
> are up
> date? Im not sure
> i
> f that
> would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
>
> Yes, a
> nd I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it
> is pl
> ugged into the 400
> 0x whi
> ch is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: b
> obbybr
> aun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>
> sugge
> sted
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still won
> dering
> if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
>
> g
> t; g
> t;
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> you <
> BR> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
>
> gt; g
> t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his ca
> ble:
> BR
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
>
> gt; Us
> &g
> t; >
> ; e the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable ma
> nufact
> urers since Matt purchased his system. The
> g
> t;
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed
> descri
> ption of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> co
> nfigur
> ations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
>
> gt;
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> >
> ; is <
> BR> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should the
> n forc
> e a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606
> -6281
> F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> BR
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> sugg
> ested
>
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> so
> meone
>
> woul
> dn't m
> ind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> &
> gt; > R> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>
> ;
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate a
> little
>
> ; with
> respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Sa
> id: > R>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> ;
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> Fo
> r refe
> rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are
> the sa
> me but the colors are different. You want to
> connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
>
> Firmw
> are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
> unmod
> ified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used > R>
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>
> g
> t; PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
> gt; > R
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
> h
> ttp://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
> g
> t;
> ;
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So f
> rustra
> ting, the C9
> 0 know
> s the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> plugged in. I
> find
> it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 0
> 7:27 P
> M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x <
> BR>>
> ; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB t
> hat > R someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dra
> lle > R
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to som
> e
>
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
>
>
> gt; links are for reference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
>
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> diff
> erent.
>
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
> If yo
> u are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>
> ; have
>
> attached a PDF with a detailed descri
> ption
> of the connections
> (So
> nyCabl
> e5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
>
>
> gt; is
>
> ; the
>
> right
> time t
> o initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
> Produc
> ts For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still t
> here..
> >
> . as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
>
> wouldn
> 't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> &
> gt;
>
> BR Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> g
> t;
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCab
> le5.pd
> f
>
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> ;
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires
> . I
> have
>
> attach
> ed a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
>
> ;
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the
> PhatB
> ox has tro
> uble k
> nowing when
> is
> the
>
> right
> time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
> ;
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ================================================================== > R>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
>
>
> What do you know abou
> t the
> reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> themodification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
> me
> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k
> or so
> should do the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing w
> as tha
> t in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
> if
> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly
> connected to the head unit?
>
> ;
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all
> to no
> avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whe
> never
>
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -
> ------
> ------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> he Son
> y Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I
> had t
> he cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my > R 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
>
> Still
> wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
> ;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dra
> lle > R>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>
> g
> t; g
> t; inf
> ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> Wha
> t Matt
> Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> &
> gt;
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
>
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
>
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message
> from M
> ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> >
> ; g > R> t;
> ; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
> g
> t;
> ;
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>
> a
> rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-d
> own th
> e signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>
> ; shou
> ld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
> tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle
> @matro
> nics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> &
> gt; We
> ll I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
>
> gt; St
> ill wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>
> BR
> ;
>
> gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original messa
> ge ---
> -----------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>
>
> gt; need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
>
> g
> t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin
> numbe
> rs and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox
> -Cable
> -Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
>
> Are y
> ou using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>
>
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> Fo
> r refe
> rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>
> connec
> tions are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>
>
> g
> t;
> ;gt; y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> gt; g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
> n input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> ;
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a r
> eset a
> fter a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> 94551
>
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW
> turing Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==========================================
> ======
> ==================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics
> .com/
> WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> pl
> ugged
> in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still b
> e reco
> gnized and
>
> gt; g
> t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of
> the S
> ony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soo
> n as t
> he Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
>
> &
> gt; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> s inst
> ead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>
>
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
>
> -
> - XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are
> two l
> inks to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are
> for re
> ference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and
> pin nu
> mbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.c
> om/xdp
> 4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might
> be a
> little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
>
> ;
> when:
>
>
> gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF w
> ith a
> detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> wor
> k
>
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> io
> ns. > R
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays
> high
> (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to in
> itiali
> ze itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon a
> s the
> Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> ommuni
> cates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>
> s
> ince
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
> r
> unning out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> <
> BR> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
>
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
>
> BR
> ; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
>
> gt; Wh
> at Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> &g
> t; >
> ; 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> g
> t;
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Drall
> e
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise wa
> y back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
>
>
> gt;
> a
>
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> g
> t;
> ; The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
>
> ;
> n input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without
> the pu
> ll-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>
> g
> t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-60
> 6-6281
> F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> >
> ; ====
> ==============================================================
>
>
>
>
> ;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
> matron
>
>
> gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V |
> 925-60
> 6-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> &
> gt; > R>
>
> I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
> did
> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>
> So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
> could be the problem, huh?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
> g
> t; the
> Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I'v
> e ever
> tried plugging the Phatbox
> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> What do you kn
> ow abo
> ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
>
> o
> nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> modification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
> me wrote after I contac
> ted hi
> m the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
>
> &
> gt; Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message -----------
>
> gt; g
> t; --- > R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> ;
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled th
> e firm
> ware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version
> of the
> Sony Phatbox firmware? > R
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4
> 000X-L
> ist message posted b
> y: bob
> bybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
>
> gt;
> ; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
> able d
> irect from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> g
> &g
> t; t;
>
> ; -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what
> not mi
> ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Mat
> t Foun
> d on his cable:
>
> http://www.matro
> nics.c
> om/xdp4000x/U
> nilink
> -To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your in
> stalla
> tion.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed
> cable
> ma
> nufact
> urers since Matt purchased his system. The
>
> g
> t; connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> orang
> e (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is
> with t
> he bus master signal. I
> t is a
> n input. It is used
> BR
> ; for
> g
> t;
> ; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> gt; Ma
> tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94
> 551 > R> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
> il
> h
> ttp://
> www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
>
> gt; g
> t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someon
> e
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
> runnin
>
> ;
> g out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
> wire.
> Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> >
> ;
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http:
> /
>
> /www.m
> atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> d
> iffere
> nt.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
>
> &
> gt; Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable man
> ufactu
> rers since Matt purchased
> his s
> ystem. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> orang
> e (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi
> -devic
> e
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with th
> e bus
> master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>
>
> a
> rbitra
> tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> &
> gt; Mi
> ke"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> ore |
> CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@
> matron
> ics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> Aircra
> ft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware an
> d did
>
> a comp
> lete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> plugged in. I find it
> odd t
> hat the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
> shut d
> own when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -
> - XDP4
> 000X-List message posted
> by: bo
> bbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
>
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resist
> or sho
> uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here.
> Can a
> nybody help?
>
> -------------- Original me
> ssage
> --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>
>
> gt; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
> Note
> the color coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
> > R>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> g
> t;
> ;
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use t
> he dra
> wing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to h
> ave op
> erational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We chan
> ged ca
> ble manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections
> are th
> e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The
> numbe
> rs can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware
> 5.00
> and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the
> bus m
> aster signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initializatio
> n. Wit
> hout the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> g
> t; sho
> uld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> g
> t;
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> &g
> t; gt;
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> gt; > R
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox
> .
>
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> pa
> rt wit
> h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> ru
> nning
> out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> BR
> ; Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> BR
> ; need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>
>
> gt; little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt
> Found
> on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
>
> What P
> hatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
>
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> BR
> ; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way ba
> ck whe
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections
> are th
> e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They c
> an be
> seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-devi
> ce con
> figurations. <
> BR>>
> ;
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device i
> nitial
> ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. Ho
> wever,
> you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matr
> onics.
> com
> Email
>
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> gt; g
> t;
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> Aircr
> aft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
>
>
> What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> themodification
> of the cable.
> Here's
> what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
>
> ; me
> BR wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> not wo
> rking:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware up
> date?
> Im not sure
> if
> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly
> connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message ---
> ------
> -----
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> g
> t; Yes
> , and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>
> gt; g
> t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x
> which
> is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> &g
> t;
> Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> he Son
> y Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
> wrote
> :
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and
> the pr
> oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>
> ; Phat
> box.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they'
> re wil
> ling to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
> ;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> gt; > R -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> ue. Be
> low are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *wil
> l
>
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> >
> ; link
> s are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> Wha
> t Matt
> Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
>
> gt;
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that m
> atches
> best your installation.
>
>
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware
> (upgra
> deable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message
> from M
> ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec
> t
>
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> can b > R
> e seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodifi
> ed cab
> le works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at
> all ti
> mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should li
> sten
> BR to
>
>
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
>
> &
> gt; Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
> tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>
> sugge
> sted
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k oh
> ms ins
> tead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> ation.
>
>
> >
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>
>
> gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> gt; > R
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor
> betwe
> en ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending
> on th
> e version of cab
> le you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin
> numbe
> rs and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
>
> Depend
> ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Son
> y firm
> ware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have
> operat
> ional issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> ough P
> hatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> Fo
> r refe
> rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description
> of the
> connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> g
> t;
> ; PhatBox connector.
>
> >
> ; An u
> nmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> 6.00 a
> nd an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> gt; g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> g
> t; Aft
> er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, yo
> u shou
> ld listen to
>
> M
> att regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> BR
> ; 94551
>
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>
> ;
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Produ
> cts Fo
> &
> gt;r A
> ircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
>
> p
> l
> ugged
> in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message p
> osted
> by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 vers <
> BR>>
> ; ion of
> the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
>
> g
> t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> s inst
> ead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
> illing
> to
> part with for some
> cash,
> or a photo of the bo
> ttom o
> f a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on ho
> w the
> Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are
> for re
> ference only and you might find
>
> BR > R> ; you n
> eed
> to int
> erpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
>
>
> gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dral
> le
> >
>
> g
> t;
>
> g
> t;
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> gt; > R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox
> conne
> ctor.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm n
> ot sur
> e if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
>
>
>
>
> gt; with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays
> high
> (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset.
> He wo
> uld know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> &
> gt; > R>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001
> V | 92
> 5-6
> 06-628
> 1 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> ommuni
> cates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> BR
> ; Anyone out there with
> a wor
> king spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn'
> t mind
> me using to get myself a
> cable
> direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
>
> BR
> ; and what not might be differe
> nt dep
> ending on
> the ve
> rsion of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>
> littl
> e
> with respect to colors and pin numbers
> and w
> hat not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are go
> ing to
> have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> are (u
> pgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Drall
>
> e
>
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a messag
> e from
> Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons > R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> <
> BR> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> c
> onfigu
> rations. I'm not sure if fi
> rmware
> 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> ;
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
> n input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. Ho
> wever,
> you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt
> G
>
> Dralle
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.c
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> il
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> ==================================================================
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>
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> t;
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>
It WORKS!!!! After lots of tinkering I finally got it to play, and it's worksflawlessly
and sounds just as good as I'd expect!
The only thing I can think of that was causing it to act funny last night was maybebecauseI
had a low battery which in the end caused all of the oddities with
my equipment, because everything works as it should now including the analog
outputs on my CD Changer... My optima batteryis on it's 7thyear now, and my alternator
doesn't do very well whenrunning atidle so after all thetinkering lastnight,when
I went to start my car this AM the battery was dead.
The first thing I did this morning was hook up my XM adapter to test my analog
inputs on the processor, and it worked perfectly (almost too perfectly considering
I cancelled my service back in December and it's still working ha ha...)
And is it just me, or doesXM sound evenWORSE than ever?!! I can't believe I ever
even paid for service that sounded so bad. Wow. Even though right now I could
listen to it for free,after hearinghow bad it sounds I know I'dnever even botherturning
it on, so right nowit's unhooked and boxed up in my closet for storage
until I find someone who wants to take it off my hands lol.
Matt I want tothank you so much for all your help with this, I never would'vefigured
it out on my own! After running into all these problems maybe we did learn
a little something about how the Phatbox intergrates into a Sonysystem. First
off,the reset line has to be cut in order for a PB to work with a processor,
but seems to work fine as a single Unilink source directly connected to a compatible
head unit with the reset wire stillconnected. And another thingthat came
up beforethat I'd like to point out,the Phatboxdoes work when directly connected
to my 4000x. I do not have my XA-C30 permanently installed yet so the PB
is my only external music source at this time. I am now curious however if the
thing would've worked fine without the pulldown resistor installed if the reset
line had been cut the entire time. Regardless, wow what an ordeal and I'm
so glad it's over.
Now a couple questions about usage. How much should Ibe concerned about heat, cold
and vibrationaffecting the DMS cartridge? Where I live there are some extreme
cold temperatures, and we all know how hot it can get in the trunk of a car.
I have it mounted with rubber grommets on a wooden carpeted surface, so vibration
should be at a minimum but I just thought I'd ask since you've been using
one of these for a while. And another thing, is there an easy way to navigate
through the countless number of albums you have at your disposal? I haven't
really sat down to use the thing yet, and haven't even listened to an entire
song yet, so I'm just wondering if there areany tricks to setting it up to get
the most out of the unit?
Thanks again for everything, now I can't wait to go on a longroadtrip and listen
to an endless amount of music! HA HA HA!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, I've thought about all that already, but here is the thing, I can't get any
audio to be recognized by the 4000x through it's Analog Changer Inputs. The
only reason I know it sounds bad is because I hooked a set of headphones up to
the phatbox to test if any audio was present and when I listened it sounded
horrible, (if not mono). I listened to the same exact mp3 file that was being
played on the PB back inside on my computer through the same headset using the
crappy non 24bit burr brown outputs of my laptop and it sounded 1000x more full
and realistic, so that worries me. And the fact that I can't get any audio to
play back when plugged into t
he ana
log changer inputs worries me even more, I
really hope this thing didn't somehow damage my 4000x, there is no way I want
to
send it off to Sony and let them hack away at it like they did with my last C90
I sent them...
I have done a full reset from the C90 and still nothing. I'll test out my other
equipment that I know was working beforehand tomorrow and then I'll know more,
but that still doesn't change the issue with the terrible sound output of the
PB.
------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Great news!
Couple of things come to mind with respect to your new audio woes. Digital vs
Analog input on the 4000x is only negotiated on reset (button on C90), so with
all
the p
lugging around, make sure that you set things up like you want, then
press that reset button.
Second, the "tinny" sound might be because you've selected an unprogrammed
EQ/Xover setting on the 4000x. The default setting has some of the Xover
settings off or highly attenuated.
Plug your PC back into the 4000x and double check all of your EQ and XO memory
locations, and then make sure you select the right ones on the HU.
Almost there!
Matt
At 08:13 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Ok, I went ahead and clipped the reset wire and now the PB actually works in
my
system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my <B
R>
processor is not accepting analog audio at the analog changer input any longer
(and it used to just fine)... I did test and there is audio at the outputs of
the PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull
highs.
I threw my cd changer back in to see if my processor would accept analog
audio
from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer
either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand since I always
used
the digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
I have yet to try my XM unit, which I know the analog outs used to work on
since those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in my
system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late and
I
&
gt; don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially
convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said
before it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken
inside
of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check
everything out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Cut the reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that
line
down and never letting anyone else init.
>
;
Matt
At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then
from
it
split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a
list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB) plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB
powers
up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer I
nput o
f the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
C30:
PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees
the
PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
C30,
Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
XM
Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input
of
XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
disappear, <
BR>>
; C90 only sees the PB.
Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected
into
the
system without the PB.
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both
sides
besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a
thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
problem
is...lol
Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your
system,
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
<B
R>
to
have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset
line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original PB
cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other
than
it
was made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it
has
been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables
that
were made before the modification was put in place.
I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I
finished
all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've
been!
Ahhhh!
&
gt; &g
t; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment.
Well,
unless you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger
slave
on
the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus
(UB)
has
a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along
>
; with
some
examples:
CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for
each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
"I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device
class
(high nibble) and the device's assigned address o
n the
UB (low nibble).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
powered
up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
protocol
sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
address
negotiation.
The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the
bus.
The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically
what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
>
;
connectivity
to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the
HU.
On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
stream,
so
negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
Changer
class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly
plugged
into
the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting
with
the
4000x
in yo
ur system since they are different classes of devices, but I
wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a
while
to
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've
written
an
embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an
8051-compatible
microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is
100%
compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do
it,
surly
Phatbox could.
If you'd like, you can send m
e your
Phatbox and I can give it a try here
on
my
two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something
else.
Matt
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last
time
I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So
you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
Phatbox
directly into a 4000. S
eems l
ike I must have tried that at some
point,
but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning
you
a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram?
This
is
the
only other difference shown in your diag
ram th
at wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should
do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do
this
because
&
gt; lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even
reins
talled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down
when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
&g
t; From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with th
e 4.7k
ohm resister
installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates
with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
&g
t; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable
they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-->
; XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two
links
to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note
that
you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note
the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the v
ersion
of
cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
<B
R>
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be
a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If
you
are
using
&
gt; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with
the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise
way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
&
gt; &g
t; system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You
want
to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange
(ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can
be
seen
&
gt;>
; on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It
is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the
pull-down
the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then <B
R>
shutdown.
The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you
should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using
the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
&g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
installed
as
suggested
&g
t; and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable
they're
willing
&
gt; to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
&
gt; &g
t;
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two
links
to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note
that
you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note
the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of
cable
you
have.
The
&g
t;
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atron
i
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If
you
are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with
the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're
using
7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise
way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You
want
to
connect a
&g
t; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
&g
t; >
; head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It
is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the
pull-down
the
&
gt; signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then
shutdown.
The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you
should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know bes
t abou
t using
the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
&g
t; Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
&g
t; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be reco
gnized
and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down
when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
>
;
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that res
istor
should've been 10k ohms instead
of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
&
gt;>
; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different dep
ending
on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
>
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
>
;
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires. I
have
&
gt; &g
t; attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
&g
t; with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the P
hatBox
is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
9
25-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
plugged
in
my
4000x
p
owers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
&
gt;>
; running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
*will
&
gt; &g
t; need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matron
ics.co
m/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0
Sony
firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
co
nnecti
ons are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected
to a
head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
knowing
when
&
gt; is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
&g
t; >
;
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
&g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
&
gt;>
; What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram?
This
is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should
do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
&
gt; &g
t; that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do
this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
Fro
m: bob
bybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down
when
the
&
gt; Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
&
gt; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
;
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
&
gt;
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
&
gt; little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
&g
t;
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
&g
t;
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
>
;
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signa
l
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
&
gt;
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
&
gt; suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
&g
t; >
; someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
&
gt; &g
t; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
;
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
&
gt; connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head <B
R>
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
&
gt; when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
&
gt;>
; ;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
>
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is
there
,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
pl
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down
when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: M
att Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
&
gt; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
&g
t; col
or
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
&
gt; &g
t;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (
upgrad
eable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue
(bus
master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
wi
ll <BR
> work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
&g
t;
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@ma
tronic
s.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
&g
t; cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
&
gt; &g
t; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
&
gt;>
;
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
&
gt; &g
t;
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
&g
t; >
; Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the b
lue (b
us master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if
firmw
are 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
Af
ter th
e PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
&
gt; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
&g
t; >
; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO B
ox 347
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last
time
I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
resistor
&
gt; &g
t; could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
but
I
can't rem
ember
for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning
you
a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
&
gt; unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
when
&
gt; &g
t; directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
--- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
&
gt; plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
>
;
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out t
here w
ith a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue.
Below
are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
&
gt; What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else,
you a
re going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
&g
t; orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
>
;
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a
few s
econds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
<B
R>
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t;An
yone o
ut there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
&
gt;>
; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
&
gt; http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
d
iffere
nt.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
&
gt; &g
t; xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
>
;
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
&
gt;
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to <BR
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&g
t; >
; ==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
a comp
lete system reset
>
;
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
&g
t; Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>
;
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage
-
-------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
&
gt; &g
t; eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
g
t;
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches
best y
our installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
&
gt; are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmwar
e 6.00
and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
P
hatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&
gt; &g
t;
gt; R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbo
x cabl
e they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR
; Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below a
re two
links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-P
hatbox
-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What P
hatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational is
sues w
ith the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed
descr
iption of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It i
s an i
nput. It is used
for
arbitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
&g
t; Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; g
t;
==================================================================
&
gt;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
is
the
only other d
iffere
nce shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
rking:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
&
gt; &g
t; lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
&
gt; afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
gt; g
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted b
y: Mat
t Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and
the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
&g
t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
&
gt; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
&g
t; >
; The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>
; diff
erent.
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
&
gt; "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
can b
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
u
nit. <
BR> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
&
gt; &g
t;
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
&
gt; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
>
;
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
&g
t; >
; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little <BR
>
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
&g
t;
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
hatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
conne
ctions
are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configur
ations
. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot a
nd the
n shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
BR
; 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
&g
t; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&
gt;>
;
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
p
l
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the prob
lem is
still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
g
t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
>
;
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on ho
w the
Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the
blue
wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
&g
t; http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
&g
t; <BR
> g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on
the S
ony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox
conne
ctor.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device in
itiali
zation. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
&
gt;>
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in <
BR>>
; my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
BR
; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
&
gt; running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
&
gt; <B
R> BR
; and what not might be different depending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
&
gt; &g
t; atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
pgradeable through PhatManager).
Mat
t Dral
l
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on
the So
n
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
c
onfigu
rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
>
;
BR
;
Matt G
Dralle
| Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
;
&g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
&
gt; &g
t; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
A | 94
551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
QUOTE
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Fea
turing
Products For Aircraft
Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then
from
itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a
list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB
powers
up
fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
C30:
PB
&g
t; >
; powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees
the
PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
C30,
Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
XM
Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input
of
XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected
into
the
system without the PB.
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both
sidesbesides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't
learn a
thing from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
problem
is...lol
Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your
system,
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
to
have the cable modified one last time wi
th a 1
0k resistor and the reset
line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original
PBcable
from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it
was
made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has
been
made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that
were
made before the modification was put in place.
I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I
finished
all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've
been!
Ahhhh!
-------------- Original message --------------
&g
t;
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment.
Well,
unless you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger
slave
on
the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
has
a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
some
examples:
CD Changer: CD C
hanger
s, Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x
, inte
rnal Bass/Treble
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for
each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
"I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device
class
(high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each
time
the HU is
powered
up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
protocol
sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
address
negotiation.
The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the
bus.
The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
asical
ly what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
connectivity
to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the
HU.
&
gt; &g
t; On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
stream,
so
negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
Changer
class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
into
the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
the
4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a
while
&g
t; >
; to
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I didn't really g
et an
answer back. I've written an
embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is
100%
compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
surly
Phatbox could.
If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here
on
my
two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
Matt
>
;
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in yo
ur dia
gram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
>
;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
rote: <BR
>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
&g
t; dia
gram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
i
f that
would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it
is pl
ugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
&
gt; &g
t; Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
&
gt; &g
t; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
gt; g
t;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
&g
t; som
e
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
gt; g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://w
ww.mat
ronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
gt; Us
e the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
g
t;
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They ca
n be s
een
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
co
nfigur
ations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at
all t
imes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should the
n forc
e a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
BR
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a c
onflic
t of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
so
meone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this c
able i
ssue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
;
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matro
nics.c
om/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>
;
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y con
n
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmw
are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. T
hus th
e PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
g
t; PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Mat
ronics
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So f
rustra
ting, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 0
7:27 P
M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still w
onderi
ng if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB t
hat R someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
&g
t; Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
gt; links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
If yo
u are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
&
gt; Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(So
nyCabl
e5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
th
e
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
gt; is
&
gt;>
; the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronic
s.com/
WWW | Featuring
Produc
ts For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
&g
t; >
; to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn
't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
g
t;
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
&
gt; cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
;
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from
Mike
Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
;
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected
to a
head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the
PhatB
ox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
&
gt; Ph
atBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
;
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&
gt; ==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
What do you know abou
t the
reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other differe
nce sh
own in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if
&
gt; that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
;
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
&
gt; it
's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-
------
------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-
- XDP4
000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still
wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that <
BR>>
; someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
g
t; inf
ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
&g
t; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
&
gt; &g
t; different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
&
gt; a
g
t;
; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
g
&
gt;>
; t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
&
gt; &g
t; Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle
@matro
nics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powe
rs dow
n, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
BR
;
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message ----------
---- <
BR> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respec
t to c
olors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>
;
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>
;
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
gt; y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
ar
bitrat
ion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
;
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
<
BR>>
; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==========================================
======
==================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W
WW | F
eaturing Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
pl
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
gt; g
t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soo
n as t
he Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
&g
t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dr
alle <
BR>
-
- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
&
gt; with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.c
om/xdp
4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4
000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections <BR
>
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
wor
k
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pul
l-down
the
signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
g
t;
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>
;
s
ince
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's
some
help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/
xdp400
0x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
g
t;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
Phat
Manage
r).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
gt; a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the
Son <
BR> y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
;
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all
times.
Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
g
&g
t; t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
&
gt;
matron
gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
tried
using it with the Phatbox just to se
e if i
t had an effect. This last time
I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-
4000-C
30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
o
nly other difference shown in your diagram tha
t wasn
't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
when <B
R>
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
gt; g
t; --- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can stil
l be r
ecognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware? R
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the ca
ble mo
dified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
&g
t;
able d
irect from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
not mi
ght be different depending on the versio
n of c
able you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Mat
t Foun
d on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches
best y
our in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed
cable
manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but
the co
lors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
&
gt; work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used
for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
>
;
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
il
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
&g
t; suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
<BR
>
runnin
g out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http:/
/www.m
atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
d
iffere
nt.
>
; Use
the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
his s
ystem. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
&g
t;
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
w
ith any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He
would
know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircra
ft
==================================================================
&
gt; &g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
a comp
lete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
&
gt; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
shut d
own when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun@comcast.net
&g
t;
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resist
or sho
uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
&
gt; &g
t; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage
--------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
Note
the color coding
and what not might be different depend
ing on
the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
g
t;
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
&
gt; Us
e the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to h
ave op
erational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but
the c
olors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware
5.00
and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
&g
t; igu
rat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike
"
g
t;
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
pa
rt wit
h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR
; Drall <
BR>>
; e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
gt; little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: <BR
>
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What P
hatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to
have o
perational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
BR
; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
&
gt;
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-devi
ce con
figurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without the p
ull-do
wn the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
&
gt; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; g
t;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
; me
BR wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
rking:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
&
gt; 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
&g
t;
g
t; Yes
, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
gt; g
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
&g
t; >
; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
wrote
:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and
the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only co
mmunic
ates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
gt; R -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X
-List
message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
>
;
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
gt;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using
7.0 So
ny firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec
t
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The number
s can
not be seen on the Sony connector. They
can b
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at
all ti
&
gt; &g
t; mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
&g
t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation. <BR
>
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
gt; R
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
&g
t; >
; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
Wha
t Phat
box Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depend
ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
hatManager).
Matt Dralle
&g
t;
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description
of the
connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
>
;
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
&g
t; >
;
g
t; Aft
er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
BR
; 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW |
Featu
ring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
;
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>
;
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
p
l
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message p
osted
by: Matt Dralle
>
;
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
g
t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst <B
R>
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
illing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay,
here's
some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on ho
w the
Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
BR
; you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
&
gt;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
&g
t; <BR
> Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
&
gt; &g
t; PhatBox
conne
ctor.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays
high
(+5V) at al
l time
s. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-6
06-628
>
;
1 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
&g
t;
BR
; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a
cable
direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
to so
me
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers
and w
hat not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Re
v1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
pgradeable through PhatManager).
&g
t; Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a messag
e from
Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be
seen
on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
c
onfigu
rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
;
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble k
nowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G
Dralle
| Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281
F | d
ralle@matronics.c
om Ema
il
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t
;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
A | 94
551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.co
m Emai
l
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
QUOTE
&g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
ist/se
arch
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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Ok, I went ahead andclipped thereset wire and nowthe PBactually works in my
system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my
processor is not accepting analog audio at the analog changerinput any longer
(and it used to just fine)... Idid testand there is audio at the outputs of
the
PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull highs.
I threw my cd changerback in to see if my processor would accept analog audio
from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer
either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand since I always
used
the digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
I have yet to try my XM unit, which I know the analog outs used to work on
since
those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in my
system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late and
I
don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially
convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said
before it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken
inside
of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check
everything out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
<B
R>
Cut the reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that
line
down and never letting anyone else init.
Matt
At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
it
split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a
list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB) plugged directly int
o the
Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
up fine and is reco
gnized
, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30:
PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
XM
Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
dis
appear
,
C90 only sees the PB.
gt; g
t;Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
the
system without the PB.
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both sides
besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a
thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
problem
is...lol
Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
to
have the cabl
e modi
fied one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original PB
cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than
it
was made by Phatnoise) or age o
f the
cable so I don't know how recent it has
been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables
that
were made before the modification was put in place.
I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
Ahhhh!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
&
gt; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
unless you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger sla
ve
on
the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
has
a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
some
examples:
CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 2
10, 40
00x, internal Bass/Treble
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
"I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
(high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (lo
w nibb
le).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
powered
up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
protocol
sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus <B
R>
address
negotiation.
The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
connectivity
to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
stream,
so
;
negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
Changer
class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
into
the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
the
4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
to
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've written an
embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
microco
ntroll
er and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
surly
Phatbo
x could.
If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
my
two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
Matt
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
g
t;
;So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh? <
BR>>
;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you pr
omise
on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/
2006 M
onday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the R
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
>
;
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
g
t;
;
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down <
BR>>
; whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
--
XDP400
0X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister install
ed <BR
> as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers
down,
the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can a
nybody
help?
-
------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the versi
on of
cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interp
olate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pd
f
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x. <B
R>
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
gt; g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
g
t;
; <BR
>
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the
bus m
aster signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
signal
stays high (+5V) at al
l time
s. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
g
t;
; Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.ma
tronic
s.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
BR
;
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're R
willing
to
part with for som
e cash
, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
s
ome R information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on th
e vers
ion of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
gt;
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using vers
ion 7.
0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
gt; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
g
t;
; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I <B
R>
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configuration
s. I'm
not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitrat
ion du
ring device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot
and t
hen shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
&
gt; 92
5-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@m
atroni
cs.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Air
craft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no a
vail.
So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
gt;
; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 P
M 4/17
/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in R my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
w
ouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
g
t;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you m
ight f
ind R you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
g
t;
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
&g
t; xdp
-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
conne
ct
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on <BR
>
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
g
t; igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know be
st abo
ut using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4
.7k oh
m resister installed as
gt; suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
gt
; running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different dependi
ng on
the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
&
gt; little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
&
gt; Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We
chang
ed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
>
; Phat
Box connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable w
orks w
ith simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then
shutdo
wn. The
PhatBox
sho R
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; R
==================================================================
<
BR>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
gt;
; What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
&
gt; &g
t;
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a fir
mware
update? Im not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
&g
t; >
; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shut
s down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are yo
u running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At
07:27
PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a wor
king s
pare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
par
t with
for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor be
tween
gr
ound and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
gt; Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing th
at mat
ches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We chang
ed cab
le manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
&
gt; &g
t; have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if f
irmwar
e 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the <B
R>
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
g
t;
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
&
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as R suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
>
;
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
;
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
T
he
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
;
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
&g
t; using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
co
nnect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
g
t;
; gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has troub
le kno
wing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
gt; R Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
pl <BR
> ugged
in. I find it odd that the
Phatb
ox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
;
Well I had the cable modified
with t
he 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
so
meone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can a
nybody
help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending
on the
version of cable you
have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
wi
th res
pect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little R
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt
Drall
e
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
system. R
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connec
ted to
a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
gt; work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
g
t;
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
s
uggest
ed
and the problem is st
ill th
ere... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody hel
p?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
&g
t; Dra
ll
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
;
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What
Matt F
ound on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
;
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are t
he sam
e but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when d
irectl
y connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
;
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
&
gt; en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regardi
ng pus
hing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
gt;
;
&
gt;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Bo
x 347
| Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
I ac
tually
do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP
4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've
ever t
ried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me wrote
after
I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask
Matt.
Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
--- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.n
et <BR
>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
BR
; Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version
&g
t; of the
Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
>
;
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted b
y: Mat
t Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
>
;
not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com
/xdp40
00x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are yo
u using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For r
eferen
ce, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a
detai
led description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an
unmod
ified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high
(+5V)
at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few
second
s. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products
For A
ircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon
as th
e Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using
to ge
t myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@
matron
ics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you n
eed to
interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
BR
; http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
d
iffere
nt.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
>
;
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
>
; Phat
Box connector.
An unmodified cable should work when direc
tly co
nnected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and the
n shut
down. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
&
gt; &l
t;
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
a comp
lete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatb
ox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the
syste
m resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage
--------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X
-List
message posted by: Matt Dralle
<BR
>
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
;
g
t;
;
What Phatbox Said:
&g
t; >
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections <B
R>
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
BR with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus m
aster
signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001
V | 92
5-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
R
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a
photo
of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR
; Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information
on how
the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
<BR
>
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What P
hatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
;
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox
? If y
ou are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors
are di
fferent. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>
;
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is us
ed for
arbitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connect
ed, it
will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermor
e | CA
| 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; g
t;
==================================================================
&g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
R
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo <
BR>>
; rking:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update
? Im n
ot
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
gt; g
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
gt; plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
&
gt; Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister ins
talled
as
suggested
and
the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
&
gt; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>
;
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
gt; Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
&
gt; <B
R> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
;
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyC
able5.
pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
can b
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when dir
ectly
connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
&g
t; rig
ht time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
g
t;
; to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
<B
R>
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
gt; 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
&
gt; ru
nning out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
BR -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and p
in <BR
> numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
&
gt; &g
t; hatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t; Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable s
hould
work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with
simpl
e multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. Ho
wever,
you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He
would
know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
BR
; 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | P
O Box
347 | Live
rmore
| CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
p
l
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know
w
hat <B
R> to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
g
t; powers down, the system reset
s and
the C90 only communicates w
ith th
e
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
BR
; Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below
are tw
o links to some
information on ho
w the
Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
;
What Phatbox Said:
h
ttp://
www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoi
se way
back when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. <B
R>
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox
conne
ctor.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
unmod
ified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
&g
t; >
; ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld know best about using the C90.
g
t;
Regards,
Mike"
&g
t; >
; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Ph
atbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
&g
t; >
; BR
; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
; Okay
, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground
and t
he blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
gt; g
t;
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things
might
be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
pgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Wo
o at P
hatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bu
s mast
er) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
c
onfigu
ra
tions. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbit
ration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
BR
; Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G
Dralle
| Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@mat
ronics
.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-100
1 V |
925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
&g
t; >
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
A | 94
551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
QUOTE
gt;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources, <
BR>>
; short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a
list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
up
fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C
30: PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
Changer both disappear,
C90 o
nly sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
XM
Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
the
system without the PB.
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbo
x is s
hut down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both
sidesbesides C90 and
PB wh
en the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't
learn
a
thing from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
problem
is...lol
Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
to
have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original
PBcable
from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it
was
made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has
been
made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that
were
made be
fore t
he modification was put in place.
g
t;
;I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
Ahhhh!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
unless you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger slave
on
the bu
s. Eac
h class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
has
a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
some
examples: R
CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x
, inte
rnal Bass/Treble
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
"I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
>
; (hig
h nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
powered
up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
device) from the last time it started, it w
ill re
set the bus (both a protocol
sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
address
negotiation.
The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
asical
ly what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
connectivity
to all of
the sl
aves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
stream,
so
negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
Changer
class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
into
the HU or is on Port 1 of th
e firs
t XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
the
4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
to <B
R>
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I didn't really g
et an
answer back. I've written an
embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
surly
Phatbox could.
If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
my
two installations to see if the
probl
em is the Phatbox or something else.
Matt
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X
-List
message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in yo
ur dia
gram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my insta
llatio
ns, I am plugging
the Phatbox into the system u
sing o
ne of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
rote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
&
gt; me wrote after I
contac
ted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
i
f that
would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message ---------
-----
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, a
nd I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it
is pl
ugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4
000X-L
ist message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: b
obbybr
aun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict o
f info
rmation.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
g
t; g
t;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
&
gt; *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
gt; g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his ca
ble:
BR
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what ve
rsion
of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
gt; Us
e the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable ma
nufact
urers since Matt purchased his system. The
g
t;
connections are the same but the
colors
are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
co
nfigur
ations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
<BR
>
gt;
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should the
n forc
e a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
<
BR>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606
-6281
F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
BR
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
&
gt;
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
so
meone
woul
dn't m
ind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
&
gt; *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
;
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate a
little
; with
respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
;
&
gt;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are differe
nt. Yo
u want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmw
are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
unmod
ified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
<
BR>>
; The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
g
t; PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
>
;
gt; R
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even re
instal
led the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So f
rustra
ting, the C9
0 know
s the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt <
BR>>
;
At 0
7:27 P
M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a pho
to of
the bottom of a Sony PB t
hat R someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dra
lle R
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
&g
t; gt; links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
If yo
u are using
anything else, you are goin
g to h
ave operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
; have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(So
nyCabl
e5.pdf).
The numbers
can n
ot be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
gt; is
; the
right time to initialize itself.
&
gt;
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
Produc
ts For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm re
sister
installed as
suggested
and the problem is still t
here..
. as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn
't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
---------
-----
Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
BR Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
g
t;
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
&g
t; >
;
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
;
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManag
er). <
BR>
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attach
ed a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
;
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directl
y conn
ected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the
PhatB
ox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right
time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seco
nds. H
owever, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
;
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
&
gt; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
What do you know abou
t the
reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs
10 sh
ould not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing w
as tha
t in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
;
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and d
id a c
omplete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whe
never
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-
------
------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
&
gt;
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my R 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still
wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind
me us
ing to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
g
t; g
t; inf
ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only an
d you
might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make s
ure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
g
t;
; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
g
t;
;
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connec
tor. <
BR>
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
; s
hou <B
R> ld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle
@matro
nics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
gt; St
ill wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
BR
;
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
&
gt;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
gt; need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://
www.ma
tronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are y
ou using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, h
ere is
a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
g
t;
;gt; y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
&
gt; configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
;
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a r
eset a
fter a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
&g
t;
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==========================================
======
==================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics <B
R>
.com/
WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
pl
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
gt; g
t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of
the S
ony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soo
n as t
he Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
&
gt; th
ere seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-
- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
&
gt; the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and
pin nu
mbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.c
om/xdp
4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a littl
e
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
;
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor betw
een th
e blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
wor
k
with any multi-device conf
igurat
io
ns. R
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without
the p
ull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
<
BR> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
s
ince
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
&g
t; >
; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
r
unning out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
&
gt; have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
gt; Wh
at Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
g
t;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.
0 Sony
firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise wa
y back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
gt; a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pd
f). <B
R>
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
g
t;
; The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
;
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing wh
en is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
g
t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-60
6-6281
F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&g
t;
==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | <B
R>
925-60
6-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
&g
t; >
;
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
g
t; the
Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
&
gt;
o
nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me wrote after I contac
ted hi
m the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when <
BR>>
; directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
gt; g
t; --- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
;
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
&
gt; Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware? R
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4
000X-L
ist message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and
the C
90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
able d
irect from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
g
t;
; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
&
gt;
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Mat
t Foun
d on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/U
nilink
-To-Phatbox
-Cable
-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
>
;
"We changed
cable
manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
g
t; connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmwa
re 6.0
0 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used
BR
; for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding push
ing re
set. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
il
h
ttp://
www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
&g
t; >
; Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
runnin
;
g out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
&
gt; Ok
ay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http:
/
/www.m
atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
&
gt; &g
t;
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
d
iffere
nt.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable man
ufactu <B
R>
rers since Matt purchased
his s
ystem. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
&
gt; &g
t; work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with th
e bus
master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
&g
t; >
; Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@
matron
ics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircra
ft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
Produc
ts For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
a comp
lete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it
odd t
hat the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
shut d
own when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP
4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resist
or sho
uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be
a con
flict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage
--------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
gt; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the
4.7k
ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
Note
the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
g
t;
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use t
&
gt; he dra
wing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to h
ave op
erational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
a
ttached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The
numbe
rs can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware
5.00
and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
&g
t; >
; stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
g
t; sho
uld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
g
t;
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Product
s For
Aircraft
gt; R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox
.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
pa
rt wit
h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable dir
ect fr
om the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR
; Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
BR
; need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>
;
gt; little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What P
hatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational iss
ues wi
th the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
BR
; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They c
an be
seen on the
Ph
atBox
connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-devi
ce con
figurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. Ho
wever,
you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; g
t;
==================================================================
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925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircr
aft
g
t;
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
; me
BR wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
rking:
&
gt;
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware up
date?
Im not sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bo
bbybra
un@comcast.net
g
t; Yes
, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
gt; g
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x
which
is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are y
ou run
ning the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
wrote
:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and
the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
; Phat
box.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information. <BR
>
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
gt; R -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *wil
l
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor
betwee
n ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
gt;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that m
atches
>
;
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec
t
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attac
hed a
PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
can b R
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at
all ti
&
gt; mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should li
sten
BR to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
<B
R>
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k oh
ms ins
tead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
gt; wouldn't mi
nd me
using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
gt; R
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor
betwe
en ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you
might
find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depend
ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Son
y firm
ware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operati
onal i
ssues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
hatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description
of the
connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
&
gt; g
t;
; PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
g
t; Aft <BR
>
er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, yo
u shou
ld listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
BR
; 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
<BR
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
;
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Produ
cts Fo
r Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
p
l
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>
;
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message p
osted
by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 vers
ion of
the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as so
on as
the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
g
t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
illing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bo
ttom o
f a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
&
gt; From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on ho
w the
Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
BR
; you n
eed
to int
erpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
; What
Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
<
BR>>
; g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox
conne
ctor.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configur
ations
. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
gt; with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld kno
w best
about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001
V | 92
5-6
06-628
1 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
&
gt; &g
t; cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
BR
; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn'
t mind
me using to get myself a
cable
direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
&g
t; <BR
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
littl
e
with respect to colors and pin numbers
and w
hat not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
; What
Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
pgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a messag
e from
M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
c
onfigu
rations. I'm not sure if fi
rmware
&
gt; 6.
00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
;
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
&
gt; &g
t;
BR
;
Matt
G
Dralle
| Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.c
om Ema
il
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
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ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
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Yes, I've thought about all that already, but here is the thing, I can't get any
audio to be recognized by the 4000x through it's Analog Changer Inputs. The only
reason I know it sounds bad is because I hooked a set of headphones up to the
phatbox to test if any audio was present and when I listened it sounded
horrible, (if not mono). I listened to the same exact mp3 file that was being
played on the PB back inside on my computer through the same headset using the
crappy non 24bit burr brown outputs of my laptop and it sounded 1000x more full
and realistic, so that worries me. And the fact that I can't get any audio to
play back when plugged into the analog changer inputs worries me even more, I
really hope this thing didn't s
omehow
damage my 4000x, there is no way I want to
send it off to Sony and let them hack away at it like they did with my last C90
I sent them...
I have done a full reset from the C90 and still nothing. I'll test out my other
equipment that I know was working beforehand tomorrow and then I'll know more,
but that still doesn't change the issue with the terrible sound output of the
PB.
------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Great news!
Couple of things come to mind with respect to your new audio woes. Digital vs
Analog input on the 4000x is only negotiated on reset (button on C90), so with
all the plugging around, make sure that you set things up like you want, then
press that reset button. <BR
>
Second, the "tinny" sound might be because you've selected an unprogrammed
EQ/Xover setting on the 4000x. The default setting has some of the Xover
settings off or highly attenuated.
Plug your PC back into the 4000x and double check all of your EQ and XO memory
locations, and then make sure you select the right ones on the HU.
Almost there!
Matt
BR
;
At 08:13 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Ok, I went ahead and clipped the reset wire and now the PB actually works in my
system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my
processor is not accepting analog audio at the analog changer input any longer
(and it used to just fine)... I did test and there is audio at the outputs of
the PB, but it doesn't s
ound r
ight at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull highs.
I threw my cd changer back in to see if my processor would accept analog audio
from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer
either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand since I always
used
the digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
I have yet to try my
XM uni
t, which I know the analog outs used to work on
since those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in my
system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late and
I
don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially
convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said
before it sounds really bad, and now I'm
worrie
d that something is broken
inside
of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check
everything out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
C
ut the
reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that
line
down and never letting anyone else init.
Matt
At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
it
split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and
XM re
spectively. Here's a list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB) plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
g
t; XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30:
PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the
4000x
, PB plugged into input of
XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
g
t;
; Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
the
system without the PB.
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both sides
besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a
thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
problem
is...lol
Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
to
have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the
reset
line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used b
ut fac
tory original PB
cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than
it
was made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has
been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables
that
were made before the modification was put in place.
I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
Ahhhh!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Well, if you're handy with a soldering i
ron, I
would try both the higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hur
t the
equipment.
Well,
unless you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger
slave
on
the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
has
a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
some
examples:
CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
gt;
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for
each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
"I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
particular device to use. The address
is a
combination of the device class
(high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
powered
up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
protocol
sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole ne
w bus
address
negotiation.
The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
connectivity
to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a devi
ce in
the
stream,
so
negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
Changer
class so you have to be really careful t
hat it
is either directly plugged
into
the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
the
4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a
while
to
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've written
an
embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
microcontroller and I was able t
o writ
e a negotiation routing that is 100%
compatible with
the m
aster/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
surly
Phatbox could.
If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here
on
my
two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
Matt
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
I
did
not try it with it instal
led ho
wever so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
resistor
could be the problem, huh?
&g
t; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
Phatbox
; dire
ctly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you
a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
is
the
>
; only
other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
gt; g
t; of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
not
sure
if that woul
d help
but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could c
ause a
problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is
g
t;
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down
when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 v
&
gt; er
sion
of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
plugged
in
my
4000x
powers
down,
the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
that
someone
wouldn't mind me us
ing to
get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
g
t;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
*will
nee
d*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note
the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of
cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
<B
R>
What Matt Found on his cable:
gt;
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
A
re you
using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with
the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
gt; g
t; "We changed cab
le man
ufacturers since Matt purchased his
system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
seen
gt;
; on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master si
g
nal.
It is an input. It
is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few s
econds
. However, you
should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using
the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@ma
tronic
s.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Produc
ts For
Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with
the
BR
; Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody hel
p?
&g
t; >
;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground
and th
e blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of
cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.
pdf <B
R
<
BR> What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
using
g
t;
; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connec
tions are the same but the colors are different. You want
to
conne
ct a <
BR> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
gt; An
unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
signal
g
t;
; sta
ys high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you
should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
g
t;
; Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
==================================================================
<BR
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; g
t;
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
g
t; -------------- Original message --------------
From: M
att Dr
alle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
gt; suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with f
or som
e cash, or a photo
of the
bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
g
t; need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
>
; with
respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www
.matro
nics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
gt;
; Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We c
hanged cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi
-devic
e conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
&g
t; used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a
reset
after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Fea
turing
Products For Aircraft
Well I
had th
e cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seeme
d to b
e a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
g
t; a
BR little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pd
f
Depending on what version of cable you ha
ve, th
ings might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
wh
en: <B
R
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description
of th
e connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
gt; g
t;
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble kn
owing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connecte
d, it
will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
;
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Air
craft
g
t;
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramth
at was
n't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
g
t; not
sure
if <B
R> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustra
ting,
the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
------
------
-- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are yo
u runn
ing the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're <
BR>>
; willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
gt; g
t; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
g
t; links are for reference only and you might fin
d you
need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
BR
; different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Pha
tnoise
way back when:
g
t;
;
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly
conne
cted to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is w
ith th
e bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
;
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&
gt;
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
gt; Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original messa
ge ---
-----------
From:
Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/Sony
Cable5
.pdf
Depen
ding o
n what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mik
e Woo
at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed
descri
ption of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
gt;
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatB
ox has
trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is c
onnect
ed, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matroni
cs | P
O Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products F
or Air
craft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
pl
ugged
g
t;
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
BR At 07:27 PM 4/17
/2006
Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of inf
ormati
on.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original mess
age --
------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
gt;
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
;
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matro
nics.c
om/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your P
hatbox
? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
system.
The
connections are the same
but th
e colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
>
; I <B
R> have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not s
ure if
firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
A
fter t
he Ph
atBox
is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the
Phatbo
x.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
g
t; sin
ce
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
gt; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need* <B
R>
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
BR
; interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
g
t; different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbo
x? If
you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt;
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
g
t;
; A
n unmo
dified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
;
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
&
gt; Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermo
re | C
A | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore
| CA
| 94551
9
25-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message -------------
-
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one
of the
se. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you
a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
gt;
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
&g
t; Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
--- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XD
P4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 k
nows t
he Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
; -- X
DP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plug
ged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
gt; Ph
atbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the P
hatbox
-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
g
t;
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
If yo
u are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
gt; e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when direct
ly con
nected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem
is wit
h the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
BR
Regards,
Mike"
&
gt;
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still
there.
.. as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bott
om of
a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running ou
t of o
ptions here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
gt; The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers
and wh
at not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
d
iffere
;
nt.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his syst
em. Th
e
connections are the same but t
he col
ors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.
00 and
an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without
the p
ull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset aft
er a f
ew seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
==================================================================
<BR
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
a comp
lete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is <B
R there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message
poste
d by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
g
t;
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
&g
t; som
eone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage
--------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
;
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable
:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
g
gt;
; t;
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t; g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>
; conn
ections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
;
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal <BR
>
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
gt;
; right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; htt
p://ww
w.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still th
ere...
as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare So
ny Pha
tbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR
; Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some <
BR>>
; information on how the Phatbox-S
ony ca
bles are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What P
hatbox Said:
gt; g
t;
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your instal
lation
.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
gt; g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox co
nnecto
r.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
;
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best a
bout u
sing the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft <B
R
gt; g
t;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
g
t;
;
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only ot
her di
fference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
rking:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
gt; diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-----
------
--- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalle
d the
firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
gt; g
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
g
t;
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
>
; y Ph
atbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and
the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
; Phat
box.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
;
>
; runn
ing out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-L
ist me
ssage posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
g
t; Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cabl
e-Rev1
.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operati
onal i
ssues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (b
us mas
ter) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
gt; (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
can b
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the <
BR> right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
g
t;
;
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system rese
ts and
the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
g
t;
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matroni
cs.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. No
te tha
t you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to col
ors an
d pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using <BR
>
g
t; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
hatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
ha
ve
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to
a hea
d unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
gt; g
t;
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
<
BR>
gt;
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
BR
; 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
gt; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there,
and can con
trol i
t just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
p
l
ugged
in. I find i
t odd
that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net <B
R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
>
; my <
BR> 4000x
g
t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
g
t; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on ho
w the
Pha
tbox-S
ony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the
4.7k o
hm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matroni
cs.com
/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on y
our Ph
atbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For r
eference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox
conne
ctor.
A
n unmo
dified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
gt;
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld know best
about
using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
g
t;
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
; BRg
t;
; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Pha
tbox c
able they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
g
t; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only
and yo
u might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatb
ox-Cab
le-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
g
t;
; pgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
<BR
>
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbe
rs can
not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
c
onfigu
rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The p
roblem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-do
wn the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
;
Matt G
Dralle
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For A
ircraf
t
==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
A | 94
551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
;
QUOTE
Matt G Dralle | Matronic
s | PO
Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. H
ere's
a
list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
up
fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30:
PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
PB.
XA-C30 plugged in
to the
Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
; Radi
o both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
the
system without the PB.
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both
&g
t; sid
esbesides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't
learn a
thing from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
problem
is...lol
Matt, I may just take
you u
p on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
to
have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original
PBcable
from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it was
made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has been
made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that
were
made before the modification was put in place.
I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or b
lunt n
ear me after I finished
all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
Ahhhh!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
unless you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger slave
on
the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
has
a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
some
examples:
CD Changer: CD Chan
gers,
Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Chan
gers,
XM Radio (original Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x
, inte
rnal Bass/Treble
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for
each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
"I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
(high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
powered
up. If the HU discover
s that
there is anything different (new or missing
device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
protocol
sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
addre
ss
negotiation.
The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
asical
ly what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
connectivity
to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
stream,
so
negotiation goes from Po
rt 1 t
o Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
Changer
class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
into
the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
th
e
4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a
while
to
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I didn't really g
et an
answer back. I've written an
g
t; emb
edded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
surly
Phatbox could.
If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
my
two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
Matt
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
&g
t; --
XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if i
t had
an effect. This last time I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in yo
ur dia
gram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have
tried
&
gt; th
at at some point, but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
rote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the <BR
>
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
i
f that
would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled
since
it
is pl
ugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dral
le
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
&
gt; th
ere seemed to be a conf
lict o
f information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
gt; g
t;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on
how th
e Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different dependi
ng on
the version of cable you
have.
The
gt; g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
gt; Us
e the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatMa
nager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt; g
t; "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
g
t;
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-
device
co
nfigur
ations. I'm not
sure
if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should the
n forc
e a reset
after
a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281
F | d
ralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
BR
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the P
hatbox
is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
so
meone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can any
body h
elp?
-------------- Original messa
ge ---
-----------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
;
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate a
little
with respec
t to c
olors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What P
hatbox
Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
;
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and oran
ge (gr
ound) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
gt; ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmw
are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
gt;
&g
t; ; t
he
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
g
t; PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt;
g
t;
;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 9
25-606
-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So f
rustra
ting, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
g
t; there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
<
BR>
At 0
7:27 P
M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
g
t;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB t
hat R someone
wo
uldn't
mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody h
elp? <
BR>
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
gt; links ar
e for
reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.co
m/xdp4
000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
If yo
u are using
anything els
e, you
are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed descriptio
n of t
he connections
(So
nyCabl
e5.pdf).
g
t;
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
g
t; is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown
. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
Produc
ts For Ai
rcraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since <B
R>
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
gt; g
t; wouldn
't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the v
ersion
of cable you
have.
g
t;
g
t;
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
; ; <B
R
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgrad
eable
through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description
of th
e connecti
;
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work <BR
>
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times.
Thus
the
PhatB
ox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; g
t;
;
&g
t; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
What do you know abou
t the
;
reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well
its a
pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if
gt;
; that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
;
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbo
x is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still b
e reco
gnized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-
------
------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
;
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
plugg
ed in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still
wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
--
------
------ Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
g
t; inf
ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wire
d. Not
e that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have op
eratio
nal issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt
Drall
e
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
g
t;
; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when dir
ectly
connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-dev
ice <B
R> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few secon
ds. Ho
wever, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001
V | 9
25-606-6281 F | dralle
@matro
nics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there
... as
soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
BR
;
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of option
s here
. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------
------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
;
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
W
hat Ph
atbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
g
t;
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
gt; y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
gt;
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
;
&g
t; Aft
er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shut
down.
The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | F
eaturi
ng Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
pl
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
;
gt; g
t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrot
e: <BR
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
gt;
; and the problem is still there... as soo
n as t
he Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
---------
-----
Original message -
------
-------
From: Matt Dralle
-
- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to
colors
and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.c
om/xdp
4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
<
BR> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
BR Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(S
onyCab
le5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
gt; An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
wor
k
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and
then
shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a rese
t afte
r a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resi
ster i
nstalled as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
s
ince
there seemed t
o be a
conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
gt; --
------------ Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
&g
t; hav
e.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
gt; little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
g
t;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going
to ha
ve operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
gt; a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The number
s can
not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
&
gt; <B
R> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
;
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
g
t; right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
g
t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraf
t
g
t;
;
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;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial install
ation
I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
gt; g
t; From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loan
ing yo
u a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
g
t;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
o
nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be c
ut. I
didnt do
this <
BR> because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
gt; g
t; --- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and
can co
ntrol it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
&g
t; Pha
tbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware? R
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@com
cast.n
et
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a wor
king s
pare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
a
ble d
irect from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are
for r
eference only
and y
ou might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Mat
t Foun
d on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at P
hatnoi
se way back
when:
"We changed
cable
manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF w
ith a
detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is
a
n input. It is used
for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initializat
ion. W
ithout the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
g
t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
il
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&g
t;
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t;Anyone out there with
a wor
king spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
runnin
g out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
<BR
>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http:/
/www.m
atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, thin
gs mig
ht be a little
d
iffere
nt.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
his s
ystem. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
BR
; connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.
pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
gt; g
t; The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
shoul
d then
force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircra
ft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featu
ring P
roducts For Aircraft
Yes, an
d I ev
en reinstalled the firmware and did
a comp
lete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
shut d
own when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matron
ics.co
m
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun@comcast.net
&g
t; Wel
l I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resist
or sho
;
uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage
--------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
&
gt;
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
BR
; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
Note
the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
g
t;
;
What Phatbox Said:
h
ttp://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different
.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to h
ave op
erational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
his s
ystem. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on th
e
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware
5.00
and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using th
e C90.
Regards,
Mike"
g
g
t; t;
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
;
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to <BR
> pa
rt wit
h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR
; Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
gt; g
t; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>
; gt;
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What P
hatbox Said:
http://www.m
; atro
ni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
BR
; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"W
e chan
ged cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
his sy
stem. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-devi
gt; g
t; ce con
figurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
&
gt; ar
bitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; g
t;
==================================================
======
==========
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.
com/ W
WW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
; me
BR wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
rking:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not ma
tter b
ut I could be wrong.
The o
ther thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
g
t; Yes
, and I even reinsta
lled t
he firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
gt; g
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's <BR
>
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
wrote
:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and
the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phat
box. <
BR> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a
worki
ng spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
gt; R -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground a
nd the
blue wire. Note the color <B
R>
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
gt;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeab
le thr
ough PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec
t
a
1
0k res
istor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
can b
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
&g
t;
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is us
ed for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at
all ti
mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
gt; g
t; tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Emai
l
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
g
t;
;
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
<
BR>>
; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
gt; R
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
gt; g
t; the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http
://www
.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
gt; De
pend
ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
hatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the co
lors a
re different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires
. I <B
R> have
attached a PDF with a detailed description
of the
connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t
; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
g
>
; t; A
ft
er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
gt; g
t; ;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
BR
; 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
;
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http:/
/www.m
atronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
Produ
cts For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
p
l
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.
com <B
R
-- XDP4000X-List message p
osted
by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
&g
t; <BR
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
g
t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that res
istor
should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
illing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-
------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below
are t
wo links to some
information on ho
w the
Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
BR
; you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
gt; g
t; What Phatbox Said:
&g
t;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way b
ack wh
en:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
h
ave
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox
conne
ctor.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodi
fied c
able will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is conn
ected,
it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld know best ab
out us
ing the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-6
06-628
1 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets an
d the
C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wonde
ring i
f that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
BR
; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a
cable
direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
gt; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color <B
R>
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers
and w
hat not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Mak
e sure
you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
pgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt D
rall
e
For reference, here is a messag
e from
Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cab
le sho
uld work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>
; c <B
R> onfigu
rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
;
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBo
x
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G
Dralle
1
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.c
om Ema
il
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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t;
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ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
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ronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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Ok, I went ahead andclipped thereset wire and nowthe PBactually works in my
system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my
processor is not accepting analog audio at the anal
og cha
ngerinput any longer
(and it used to just fine)... Idid testand there is audio at the outputs of the
PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull highs.
I threw my cd changerback in to see if my processor would accept analog audio
from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer
either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand sinc
e I al
ways used
the digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
I have yet to try my XM unit, which I know the analog outs used to work on
since those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in my
system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late and
I
don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially <
BR>>
; convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said
before it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken
inside
of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check
everything out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Drall
e dral
le@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Cut the reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that line
down and never letting anyone else init.
Matt
At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
short
o
f unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
it
split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB) plugged directly int
o the
Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
up fin
e and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30: PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB pow
ers up
fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
BR
;
gt; g
t;Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
the
system without the PB.
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both sides
besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a
thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
problem
is...lol
Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system, <BR
>
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going to
have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original PB
gt; ca
ble from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than
it
was made by Phatnoise) or age o
f the
cable so I don't know how recent it has
been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables
that
were made before the modification was put in place.
I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
Ahhhh!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
-- XDP4000X
-List
message posted by: Matt Dralle
Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equi
pment.
Well,
unless you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger sla
ve
on
the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has
a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
some
examples:
CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will
respo
nd with "I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
pa
rticul
ar device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
(high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (lo
w nibb
le).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
powered
up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a protocol
sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
address
negotiation.
The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
connectivity
>
; to a
ll of the slaves down stream until i
t rece
ives an address from the HU. On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the stream,
so
;
negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
Changer
class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
into
the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the
4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
to
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I did
n't re
ally get an
answe
r back. I've written an
embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
microco
ntroll
er and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
surly
Phatbox could.
If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
my
two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
Matt
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
BR not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
g
&g
t; t;
;So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you pr
g
t;
; omise
on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message
posted
by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the <B
R
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
d
iagram
you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to
the he
ad unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
g
t;
;
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
BR
; it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
--
XDP400
&
gt; 0X
-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
; in
BR my
4000x
powers
down,
the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a So
ny PB
that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-
------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
BR
; Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the versi
on of
cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and
pin n
umbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp40
00x/So
nyCable5.pd
f
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
gt; g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
"We changed
cable
manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are diffe
rent.
You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
g
t;
;
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the
bus m
g
&g
t; t;
;aster signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
g
t;
; Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
gt; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
Produ
cts For Aircraft
BR
;
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're <B
R
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a ph
oto of
the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original messa
ge ---
-----------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
s
ome <B
R information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only
and y
ou might find you need to
interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
gt;
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.
m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
gt; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using
7.0 S
ony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
g
t;
; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange
(groun
d)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly co
nnecte
d to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configuration
s. I'm
not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
&g
t; right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot
and t
hen shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
BR
; listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@m
atroni
cs.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-628
1 F |
dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Air
craft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
gt;
; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 vers
ion of
&
gt; th
e Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in <B
R my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
gt; g
t; someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factor
y? <BR
> I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
g
t;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might f
ind <B
R you n
eed to inter
polate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-C
able-R
ev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
g
t;
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
gt; t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
conne
ct
&
gt; a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmo
dified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
g
t; igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
whe
n
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know be
st abo
ut using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
gt; suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
40
00x <B
R> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a worki
ng spa
re Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
gt; running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-So
ny cab
les are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be differ
ent de
pendi
ng on
the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony fi
rmware
on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anyth
ing el
se, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We
chang
ed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
gt; <B
R An u
nmodif
ied cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable w
orks w
ith simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho <B
R
uld th
en force a reset after a
few s
econds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. <BR
>
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; <B
R
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
;
g
t;
gt;
; What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagram
that w
asn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower dow
n it s
eemed that they fixed that with a fir
mware
update? Im not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -------------- <B
R>
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shut
s down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be
recogn
ized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At
&
gt; 07
:27
PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets
and th
e C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
par
t with
for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
<B
R>
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information
on how
the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor be
tween
ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/
xdp400
0x/SonyCable5.pdf
gt; Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
diffe
rent.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We chang
ed cab
le manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attach
ed a P
DF with a detailed description
of the
connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if f
irmwar
e 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initial
ize it
self.
After the PhatBox i
s conn
ected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
g
t;
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as <B
R suggested
and the problem is stil
l ther
e... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wonder
ing if
that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
;
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: M
att Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
T
he
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
gt; cs
.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
;
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-400
0x. <B
R> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
co
nnect
gt; <B
R a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
&g
t; con
figurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
g
t;
; gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device ini
tializ
ation. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
gt; <B
R Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Mat
ronics
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
BR
==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
pl
ugged
in.
I find
it odd that the
Phatb
ox can still be recognize
d and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
;
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90
only
communicates wi
th the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
so
meone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the
Phatbo
x-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and th
e blue
wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending
on the
version of cable you
have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little <B
R
differen
t.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp
-4000x
.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
system. <B
R
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attach
ed a P
DF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple mul
ti-dev
ice
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
gt; work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
g
t;
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle |
Matro
nics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
s
u
ggest
ed
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to ge
t myse
lf a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody hel
p?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matron
ics.co
m
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
;
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found o
n his
cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phat
box Sa
id:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
;
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The <BR <BR
>
connections are t
he sam
e but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
;
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
gt; t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initial
izatio
n. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regardi
ng pus
hing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http
://www
.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
<BR
>
gt;
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Bo
x 347
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@mat
ronics
.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it
anothe
r try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP
4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system
using
one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List mess
age po
sted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me wrote after I contacted
him t
he last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask
Matt.
Does it still work when
dir
ectly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
--- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
BR
; Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
<
BR>>
; Are you running the 7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-Li
st mes
sage posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to g
et mys
elf a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
BR
; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted b
y: Mat
t Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com
&
gt;
gt; g
t; /xdp40
00x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For r
eferen
ce, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers s
ince M
att purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the c
olors
are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an
unmod
ified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master s
ignal.
It is an input. It is used
for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few
second
s. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dr
alle@m
atronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon
as th <
BR>>
; e Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable dir
ect fr
om the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@
matron
ics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how
the P
hatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
BR
; http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
d
iffere
nt.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on yo
ur Pha
tbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike W
oo at
Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when direc
tly c
o
nnected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
;
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
<B
R>
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
a comp
lete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can c
ontrol
it just fi
ne, bu
t the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatb
ox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
; and
the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
>
; powe
rs down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage
--------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X
-List
message posted by:
Matt
Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
>
; the
4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
;
g
t;
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5
.pdf
BR
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issu
es wit
h the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations
. I'm
not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
BR with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
gt; right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 92
5-606-
6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... a
s soon
as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k <B
R
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-
------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR
; Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay
, here
's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information
on how
the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What P
hatbox Said:
http:
//www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
;
SonyCable5.pdf
g
t;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors
are di
fferent. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I <B
R>
have
att
ached
a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is us
ed for
arbitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initial
ize it
self.
After the PhatBox
is co
nnected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermor
e | CA
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; g
t;
==================================================================
g
t; Mat
t G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
Produc
ts For Aircraft
g
t;
<B
R
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
rking:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but
I coul
d be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update
? Im n
ot
sure
if
that would
help
but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
gt; g
;
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
gt; plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Orig
inal m
essage --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister ins
t
alled
as
suggested
and
the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
pa
rt wit
h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4
000X-L
ist message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
<
BR>
gt; Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matroni
cs.com
/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
;
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his syst
em. Th
e
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the bl
ue (bu
s master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
can b
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when dir
ectly
connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox ha
s trou
ble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
g
t;
; to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed a
s
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soo
n as t
he Phatbox is plugged in my
gt; 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
g
t;
;
BR -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are tw
o link
s to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Sa
id: <B
R
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are
you us
ing version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
hatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t; Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are diff
erent.
You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmod
ified
cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with
simpl
e multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during de
vice i
nitialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He
would
know best about using the C90.
Rega
rds, <
BR> Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
BR
; 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
BR
;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Live
rmore
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and ca
n cont
rol it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
p
l
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x wh
ich is
shut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know
what
to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>
; 4000
x
g
t; powers down, the system reset
s and
the C90 only communicates with the
BR
; Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
BR
; Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on ho
w the
P
hatbox
-Sony cables are wi
red. N
ote that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
BR
;
gt; Are you using version 7
.0 Son
y firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoi
se way
back when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
BR
; The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox
conne
ctor.
An unmodified cab
le sho
uld work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
unmod
ified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boo
t and
then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld know best about using the C90.
g
t;
Regards
,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system
reset
s and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Ph
atbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
BR
; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a ph
oto of
the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
; Okay
, here's some help on thi
s cabl
e issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin nu
mbers
and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
gt; g
t;
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
BR Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
pgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Wo
o at P
hatnoise way back when:
"We chang
ed cab
le manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
g
t; have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
c
onfigu
ra
tions. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arb
itrati
on during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble know
ing wh
en is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
BR
; Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G
Dralle
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
&g
t; <BR
>
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-100
1 V |
925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
A | 94
551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
QUOTE
gt;
gt; g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dral
le@mat
ronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a
list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers up
fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C
30:
PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
Changer in Control
2 of C
30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
the
system without the PB.
g
t;
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbo
x is s
hut down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both
sidesbesides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn'
t lear
n
a
thing from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the problem
is...lol
Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going to
have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original PBcable
from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it was
made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has been
g
t; made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that
were
made before the modification was put in place.
g
t;
;I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
all these tests, if there had
been
who knows what the outcome would've been!
Ahhhh!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
unless you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first C
DChang
er slave
on
the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has
a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
some
examples: <B
R
CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tun
er, In
ternal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x
, inte
rnal Bass/Treble
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with "I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
(high nibble) and the device's assigned address
on th
e UB (low nibble).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
powered
up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
device) from the last time it started, it w
ill re
set the bus (both a protocol
sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
address
negotiation.
The actual addre
ss of
the device is determined by its location on the bus.
The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
asical
ly what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
connectivity
to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU. On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device
in th
e stream,
so
negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
Changer
class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
into
the HU or is on Port 1 of th
e firs
t XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the
4000x in your system since they are different classes of devic
es, bu
t I
wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
to
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I didn't really g
et an
answer back. I've written an
embedded processor Unilink Slave emulat
or tha
t runs on an 8051-compatible
microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
surly
Phatbox could.
If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
my
two installations to see if the
probl
em is the Phatbox or something else.
Matt
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
<
BR>>
; I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
;
So you don't think the reset line in yo
ur dia
gram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my insta
llatio
ns, I am plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
can't rememb
er for
sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
A
t 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
rote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
me wrote after I
contac
ted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cu
t. I d
idnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmw
are up
date? Im not sure
i
f that
would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, a
nd I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it
is pl
ugged into th
e 400
0x whi
ch is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: b
obbybr
aun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still won
dering
if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
th
ere se
emed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
g
t; g
t;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
BR *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on
the v
ersion of cable you
have.
The
gt; g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his ca
ble:
BR
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
gt; Us
g
t;
; e the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable
throu
gh
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable ma
nufact
urers since Matt purchased his system. The
g
t;
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed
descri
ption of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
co
nfigur
ations. I'm not
sure
if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
gt;
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
; is
BR the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should the
n forc
e a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
&g
t; 925
-606-1001 V | 925-606
-6281
F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
BR
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugg
ested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
so
meone
woul
dn't m
ind me using to get myself a cable direct from
the fa
ctory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
gt; <B
R -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
;
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate a
little
; with
respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.ma
tronic
s.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Sa
id: <B
R
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are
the sa
me but the c
olors
are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmw
are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
unmod
ified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used <B
R
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high
(+5V)
at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
g
t; PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
gt; <B
R
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
h
ttp://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
;
==================================================================
M
att G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So f
rustra
ting, the C9
0 know
s the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I
find
it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <
BR>>
;
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 0
7:27 P
M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
BR
; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB t
hat <B
R someone
wouldn't mind me u
sing t
o get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dra
lle <B
R
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to som
e
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
gt; links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com
/xdp40
00x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
diff
erent.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
If yo
u are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
&
gt; 10
k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
; have
attached a PDF with a detailed descri
ption
of the connections
(So
nyCabl
e5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
gt; is <BR
>
; the
right
time t
o initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
Produc
ts For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still t
here..
. as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
&
gt; po
wers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn
't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
gt;
BR Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired
. Note
that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
g
t;
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCab
le5.pd
f
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
;
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
If you
are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires
. I
have
attach
ed a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
;
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a hea
d unit
.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the
PhatB
ox has tro
uble k
nowing when
is
the
right
time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
<BR
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
;
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
================================================================== <B
R
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
What do you know abou
t the
reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that
's bee
n doing the work on the unit for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k
or so
should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing w
as tha
t in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
;
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.n
et <BR
>
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all
to no
avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whe
never
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-
------
------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well
I
had t
he cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my <B
R 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still
wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dra
lle <B
R
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt
Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
g
t; g
t; inf
ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
gt;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
&
gt; different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
; g <B
R t;
; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
g
t;
;
The numbers can not be
seen o
n the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-d
own th
e signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
; shou
ld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt r
egardi
ng pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle
@matro
nics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; We
ll I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
gt; St
ill wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a workin
g spar
e Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
BR
;
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original messa
ge ---
-----------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
gt; need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
g
t; links are for reference only
and y
ou might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox
-Cable
-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are y
ou using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a mess
age fr
om Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connec
tions are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
g
t;
;gt; y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem
is wi
th the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
;
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a r
eset a
fter a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW
turing Products For Aircraft
&g
t;
==========================================
======
==================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics
.com/
WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
pl
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still b
e reco
gnized and
gt; g
t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what
to do
...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of
the S
ony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soo
n as t
he Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
gt; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there <
BR>>
; with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-
- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are
two l
inks to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
&g
t; eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and
pin nu
mbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.c
om/xdp
4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might
be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
<BR
>
;
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF w
ith a
detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
wor
k
with any multi-device conf
igurat
io
ns. <B
R
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is
an inp
ut. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to in
itiali
ze itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable
modifi
ed with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon a
s the
Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
s
ince
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
r
unning out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Drall
e
BR Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
gt; Wh
at Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
g
t;
; 4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
g
t; <BR
>
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise wa
y back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
gt;
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyC
able5.
pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
g
t;
; The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
;
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without
the pu
ll-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
>
; en f
orce a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
g
t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-60
6-6281
F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
; ====
==============================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
<
BR>>
;
matron
gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V |
925-60
6-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; <B
R
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP400
0X-Lis
t message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
g
t; the
Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I'v
e ever
tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
o
nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
o
f the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
me wrote after I contac
ted hi
m the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
gt; Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
gt; g
t; --- <B
R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4
000X-L
ist message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
;
Yes, and I even reinstalled th
e firm
ware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware? <B
R
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4
000X-L
ist m
essage posted b
y: bob
bybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
able d
irect from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
g
g
t; t;
; -------------- Original message -
------
-------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Mat
t Foun
d on his cable:
http://www.matro
nics.c
om/xdp4000x/U
nilink
-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCabl
e5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed
cable
ma
nufact
urers since Matt purchased his system. The
g
t; connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have <BR
>
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is
with t
he bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used
BR
; for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the
PhatBo
x is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94
551 <B
R 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
il
h
ttp://
www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering i
f that
resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someon
e
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
runnin
;
g out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note t
he color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
;
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http:
/
/www.m
atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
d
iffere
nt.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
&
gt; Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
gt; Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable man
ufactu
rers since Matt purchased
his s
ystem. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple mul
ti <BR
> -devic
e
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with th
e bus
master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
gt; Mi
ke"
BR
;
Matt
G Dral
le | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@
matron
ics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircra
ft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware an
d did
a comp
lete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
>
; plug
ged in. I find it
odd t
hat the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
shut d
own when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-
- XDP4
000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only
commu
nicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resist
or sho
uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here.
Can a
nybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage
--------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
gt; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor b
etween
ground and the blue wire.
Note
the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
<B
R
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
g
t;
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use t
he dra
wing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to h
ave op
erational issu
es wit
h the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We chan
ged ca
ble manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The
numbe
rs can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware
5.00
and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
co
nfigur
ations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the
bus m
aster signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
g
t; sho
uld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
g
t;
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-10
01 V |
925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
g
t; gt;
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; <B
R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox
.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
pa
rt wit
h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
ru
nn
ing <B
R> out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR
; Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
BR
; need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
gt; little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt
Found
on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf <
BR>>
;
What P
hatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
BR
; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way ba
ck whe
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue
(bus
master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They c
an be
seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-devi
ce con
figurations.
BR
;
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize
itsel
f.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. Ho
wever,
you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matr
onics.
com
Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; g
t;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Emai
l
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircr
aft
g
t;
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable.
Here's
what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
; me
BR wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
rking:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware up
date?
Im not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message ---
------
-----
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
g
t; Yes
, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
gt; g
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x
which
is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don'
t know
what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
g
t;
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
wrote
:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and
the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
; Phat
box.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of informat
ion. <
BR>
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they'
re wil
ling to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
gt; <B
R -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *wil
l
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
; li
nk <BR
> s are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
gt;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware
(upgra
deable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For referenc
e, her
e is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec
t
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
can b <B
R
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodifi
ed cab
le works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
<
BR>>
; The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at
all ti
mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should li
sten
BR to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
gt; Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
<BR
>
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k oh
ms ins
tead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
&
gt; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
gt; <B
R
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor
betwe
en ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending
on th
e version of cab
le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depend
&g
t; ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Son
y firm
ware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have
operat
ional issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
hatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description
of the
connections
(SonyCable5
.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
g
t;
; PhatBox connector.
; An u
nmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
g
t; Aft
er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
s
hould then force a reset after a few seconds. However, yo
u shou
ld listen to
M
att regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
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BR
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gt;r A
ircra
ft <BR
>
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
p
l
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message p
osted
by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Are you running the 7.0 vers
BR
; ion of
the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4
/17/20
06 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
g
t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
illing
to
part with for some
cash,
or a photo of the bo
ttom o
f a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-
------
------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on ho
w the
Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
BR <B
R ; you n
eed
to int
erpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
h
ttp://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dral
le
g
t;
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
gt; <B
R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
&
gt; at
tached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox
conne
ctor.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm n
ot sur
e if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
gt; with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox
is con
nected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt; <B
R
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001
V | 92
5-6
06-628
1 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still
wonde
ring if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
BR
; Anyone out there with
a wor
king spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn'
t mind
me using to get myself a
cable
direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the
blue
wire. Note the color coding
BR
; and what not might be differe
nt dep
ending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
littl
e
with respect to colors and pin numbers
and w
hat not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are go
ing to
hav
e oper
ational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
pgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a messag
e from
Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons <B
R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
BR An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodifi
ed cab
le works with simple multi-device
c
onfigu
rations. I'm not sure if fi
rmware
6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
;
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. Ho
wever,
you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt <BR
>
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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well, it seems as if I maybe spoke too soon. My 4000x stops accepting audio from
the PB as soon as the source is changed (i.e. whenever the Tuner or in dash
CD is selected). As soon as I go back to the PB as a source, it comes up but
analog audio will not be played back again unless a different source is plugged
into the Changer Input of the 4000x. I guess I'm going to have to try installing
my XA-C30 after all, and see if this fixes the problem... And the frustration
quickly returns. Grrr!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> It WORKS!!!! After lots of tinkering I finally got it to play, and it's works
> flawlessly and sounds just as good as I'd expect!
>
> The only thing I can think of that was causing it to act funny last night was
> maybe because I had a low battery which in the end caused all of the oddities
> with my equipment, because everything works as it should now including the
> analog outputs on my CD Changer... My optima battery is on it's 7th year now,
> and my alternator doesn't do very well when running at idle so after all the
> tinkering last night, when I went to start my car this AM the battery was dead.
>
> The first thing I did this morning was hook up my XM adapter to test my analog
> inputs on the processor, and it worked perfectly (almost too perfectly
> considering I cancelled my service back in December and it's still working ha
> ha...) And is it just me, or does XM sound even WORSE than ever?!! I can't
> believe I ever even paid for service that sounded so bad. Wow. Even though
> right now I could listen to it for free, after hearing how bad it sounds I know
> I'd never even bother turning it on, so right now it's unhooked and boxed up
in
> my closet for storage until I find someone who wants to take it off my hands
> lol.
>
> Matt I want to thank you so much for all your help with this, I never would've
> figured it out on my own! After running into all these problems maybe we did
> learn a little something about how the Phatbox intergrates into a Sony system.
> First off, the reset line has to be cut in order for a PB to work with a
> processor, but seems to work fine as a single Unilink source directly connected
> to a compatible head unit with the reset wire still connected. And another
> thing that came up before that I'd like to point out, the Phatbox does work when
> directly connected to my 4000x. I do not have my XA-C30 permanently installed
> yet so the PB is my only external music source at this time. I am now curious
> however if the thing would've worked fine without the pulldown resistor
> installed if the reset line had been cut the entire time. Regardless, wow what
> an ordeal and I'm so glad it's over.
>
> Now a couple questions about usage. How much should I be concerned about heat,
> cold and vibration affecting the DMS cartridge? Where I live there are some
> extreme cold temperatures, and we all know how hot it can get in the trunk of
a
> car. I have it mounted with rubber grommets on a wooden carpeted surface, so
> vibration should be at a minimum but I just thought I'd ask since you've been
> using one of these for a while. And another thing, is there an easy way to
> navigate through the countless number of albums you have at your disposal? I
> haven't really sat down to use the thing yet, and haven't even listened to an
> entire song yet, so I'm just wondering if there are any tricks to setting it
up
> to get the most out of the unit?
>
> Thanks again for everything, now I can't wait to go on a long roadtrip and
> listen to an endless amount of music! HA HA HA!
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Yes, I've thought about all that already, but here is the thing, I can't get
> any
> > audio to be recognized by the 4000x through it's Analog Changer Inputs. The
> > only reason I know it sounds bad is because I hooked a set of headphones up
to
> > the phatbox to test if any audio was present and when I listened it sounded
> > horrible, (if not mono). I listened to the same exact mp3 file that was being
> > played on the PB back inside on my computer through the same headset using
the
> > crappy non 24bit burr brown outputs of my laptop and it sounded 1000x more
> full
> > and realistic, so that worries me. And the fact that I can't get any audio
to
> > play back when plugged into the analog changer inputs worries me even more,
I
> > really hope this thing didn't somehow damage my 4000x, there is no way I want
> to
> > send it off to Sony and let them hack away at it like they did with my last
> C90
> > I sent them...
> >
> > I have done a full reset from the C90 and still nothing. I'll test out my
> other
> > equipment that I know was working beforehand tomorrow and then I'll know more,
> > but that still doesn't change the issue with the terrible sound output of the
> > PB.
> >
> > ------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Great news!
> > >
> > > Couple of things come to mind with respect to your new audio woes. Digital
> vs
> > > Analog input on the 4000x is only negotiated on reset (button on C90), so
> with
> > > all the plugging around, make sure that you set things up like you want,
> then
> > > press that reset button.
> > >
> > > Second, the "tinny" sound might be because you've selected an unprogrammed
> > > EQ/Xover setting on the 4000x. The default setting has some of the Xover
> > > settings off or highly attenuated.
> > >
> > > Plug your PC back into the 4000x and double check all of your EQ and XO
> memory
> > > locations, and then make sure you select the right ones on the HU.
> > >
> > > Almost there!
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > At 08:13 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> > > >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > >Ok, I went ahead and clipped the reset wire and now the PB actually works
> in
> > my
> > > system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my
> > > processor is not accepting analog audio at the analog changer input any
> longer
> > > (and it used to just fine)... I did test and there is audio at the outputs
> of
> > > the PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull
> > highs.
> > > >
> > > >I threw my cd changer back in to see if my processor would accept analog
> > audio
> > > from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer
> > > either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand since I always
> > used
> > > the digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
> > > >
> > > >I have yet to try my XM unit, which I know the analog outs used to work
on
> > > since those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months
in
> my
> > > system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late
> and
> > I
> > > don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
> > > >
> > > >So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially
> > > convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I
> said
> > > before it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken
> > inside
> > > of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can
> check
> > > everything out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-------------- Original message --------------
> > > >From: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >>
> > > >> Cut the reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that
> > > line
> > > >> down and never letting anyone else init.
> > > >>
> > > >> Matt
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> > > >> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my
> resources,
> > > short
> > > >> of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then
> > from
> > > it
> > > >> split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's
a
> > list
> > > >> of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Phatbox (PB) plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB
> > powers
> > > >> up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
PB.
> > > >> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
> > C30:
> > > PB
> > > >> powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees
> > the
> > > PB.
> > > >> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
> > C30,
> > > >> Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x
> and
> > > >> Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> > > >> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
> > C30,
> > > >> XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x
> and
> > XM
> > > >> Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> > > >> >XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into
> input
> > of
> > > >> XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
> > > disappear,
> > > >> C90 only sees the PB.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected
> > into
> > > the
> > > >> system without the PB.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is
> shut
> > > down
> > > >> and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both
> > sides
> > > >> besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn
> a
> > > >> thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
> > > problem
> > > >> is...lol
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your
> > system,
> > > >> but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm
> going
> > > to
> > > >> have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset
> > line
> > > >> cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original
> PB
> > > >> cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other
> > than
> > > it
> > > >> was made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent
it
> > has
> > > >> been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old
> cables
> > > that
> > > >> were made before the modification was put in place.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I
> > finished
> > > >> all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've
> > been!
> > > >> Ahhhh!
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >-------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> >From: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the
> higher
> > > >> >> resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment.
> > > Well,
> > > >> >> unless you miss wire something... :-)
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger
> > > slave
> > > >> on
> > > >> >> the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus
> > (UB)
> > > has
> > > >> a
> > > >> >> class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along
> > with
> > > >> some
> > > >> >> examples:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
> > > >> >> MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> > > >> >> Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> > > >> >> Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking
> for
> > > each
> > > >> >> device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond
> with
> > > "I'm
> > > >> >> Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for
> that
> > > >> >> particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device
> > class
> > > >> >> (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low
> nibble).
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the
HU
> is
> > > >> powered
> > > >> >> up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or
> missing
> > > >> >> device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both
a
> > > protocol
> > > >> >> sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new
bus
> > > >> address
> > > >> >> negotiation.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the
> > bus.
> > > >> The
> > > >> >> closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically
> > what
> > > >> >> happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
> > > >> connectivity
> > > >> >> to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from
the
> > HU.
> > > On
> > > >> >> the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
> > > stream,
> > > >> so
> > > >> >> negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the
> CD
> > > >> Changer
> > > >> >> class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly
> > plugged
> > > >> into
> > > >> >> the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting
> > with
> > > the
> > > >> >> 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but
> I
> > > >> wanted
> > > >> >> to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me
a
> > > while
> > > >> to
> > > >> >> figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded
the
> > > >> >> addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've
> > written
> > > an
> > > >> >> embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an
> > 8051-compatible
> > > >> >> microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that
is
> > 100%
> > > >> >> compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can
do
> > it,
> > > >> surly
> > > >> >> Phatbox could.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try
> here
> > > on
> > > >> my
> > > >> >> two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something
> > else.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Matt
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> > > >> >> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation
I
> > > tried
> > > >> >> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last
> > time
> > > I
> > > >> did
> > > >> >> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
> > > resistor
> > > >> >> could be the problem, huh?
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> >> >From: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations,
I
> am
> > > >> plugging
> > > >> >> >> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> > > >> >> >> C90->4000->C30->Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging
> the
> > > >> Phatbox
> > > >> >> >> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some
> > point,
> > > but
> > > >> I
> > > >> >> >> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning
> > you
> > > a
> > > >> >> >> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> Matt
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > >> >> >> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram?
> > This
> > > is
> > > >> the
> > > >> >> >> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in
the
> > > >> >> modification
> > > >> >> >> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on
> the
> > > unit
> > > >> for
> > > >> >> >> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k
> resistor
> > > not
> > > >> >> >> working:
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so
> should
> > do
> > > >> the
> > > >> >> job
> > > >> >> >> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing
was
> > > that
> > > >> in
> > > >> >> the
> > > >> >> >> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do
> > this
> > > >> >> because
> > > >> >> >> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update?
> Im
> > > not
> > > >> sure
> > > >> >> >> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still
> work
> > > when
> > > >> >> >> directly connected to the head unit?
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> >> >> >From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete
> system
> > > >> reset
> > > >> >> >> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
> > > Phatbox
> > > >> is
> > > >> >> >> >> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts
> down
> > > >> >> whenever
> > > >> >> >> it's
> > > >> >> >> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be
> recognized
> > > and
> > > >> >> >> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down
> > > when
> > > >> the
> > > >> >> >> >> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> >> >> >> From: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >> > Matt
> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > >> >> >> >> > >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
> > > installed
> > > >> as
> > > >> >> >> >> suggested
> > > >> >> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
> > > plugged
> > > >> in
> > > >> >> my
> > > >> >> >> >> 4000x
> > > >> >> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates
> > with
> > > the
> > > >> >> >> Phatbox.
> > > >> >> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms
> instead
> > > of
> > > >> 4.7k
> > > >> >> >> since
> > > >> >> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable
> > they're
> > > >> >> willing
> > > >> >> >> to
> > > >> >> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony
PB
> > > that
> > > >> >> someone
> > > >> >> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> > > factory?
> > > >> >> I'm
> > > >> >> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > >-------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> >> >> >> > >From: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two
> > links
> > > to
> > > >> >> some
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note
> > that
> > > >> you
> > > >> >> >> *will
> > > >> >> >> >> > need*
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
> Note
> > > the
> > > >> >> color
> > > >> >> >> >> coding
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> and what not might be different depending on the version
of
> > > cable
> > > >> you
> > > >> >> >> have.
> > > >> >> >> >> > The
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> links are for reference only and you might find you need
to
> > > >> >> interpolate
> > > >> >> >> a
> > > >> >> >> >> > little
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> What Phatbox Said:
> > > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might
> be
> > a
> > > >> little
> > > >> >> >> >> > different.
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
If
> > you
> > > >> are
> > > >> >> >> using
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues
> with
> > > the
> > > >> >> >> xdp-4000x.
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable
> through
> > > >> >> >> PhatManager).
> > > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise
> > way
> > > >> back
> > > >> >> >> when:
> > > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> > > system.
> > > >> The
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You
> > want
> > > to
> > > >> >> >> connect
> > > >> >> >> >> a
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange
> > (ground)
> > > >> wires.
> > > >> >> I
> > > >> >> >> >> have
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the
> connections
> > > >> >> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
can
> > be
> > > >> seen
> > > >> >> on
> > > >> >> >> the
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> PhatBox connector.
> > > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected
to
> a
> > > head
> > > >> >> unit.
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> > > >> multi-device
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
> > unmodified
> > > >> cable
> > > >> >> >> will
> > > >> >> >> >> > work
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input.
> It
> > > is
> > > >> used
> > > >> >> >> for
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the
> > pull-down
> > > >> the
> > > >> >> >> signal
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
> > > >> knowing
> > > >> >> when
> > > >> >> >> is
> > > >> >> >> >> > the
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> right time to initialize itself.
> > > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then
> > shutdown.
> > > >> The
> > > >> >> >> PhatBox
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However,
you
> > > should
> > > >> >> >> listen
> > > >> >> >> >> to
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about
> using
> > > the
> > > >> C90.
> > > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> Regards,
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> Mike"
> > > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA
|
> > 94551
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
> Email
> > > >> >> >> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> > Aircraft
> > > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
> > > installed
> > > >> as
> > > >> >> >> >> suggested
> > > >> >> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
> > > plugged
> > > >> in
> > > >> >> my
> > > >> >> >> >> 4000x
> > > >> >> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates
> with
> > > the
> > > >> >> >> Phatbox.
> > > >> >> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms
> instead
> > > of
> > > >> 4.7k
> > > >> >> >> since
> > > >> >> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable
> > they're
> > > >> >> willing
> > > >> >> >> to
> > > >> >> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony
PB
> > > that
> > > >> >> someone
> > > >> >> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> > > factory?
> > > >> >> I'm
> > > >> >> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > >-------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> >> >> >> > >From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two
> > links
> > > to
> > > >> >> some
> > > >> >> >> >> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note
> > that
> > > you
> > > >> >> *will
> > > >> >> >> >> > need*
> > > >> >> >> >> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note
> > the
> > > >> color
> > > >> >> >> >> coding
> > > >> >> >> >> > > and what not might be different depending on the version
of
> > > cable
> > > >> you
> > > >> >> >> have.
> > > >> >> >> >> > The
> > > >> >> >> >> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need
to
> > > >> >> interpolate a
> > > >> >> >> >> > little
> > > >> >> >> >> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > http://www.m
> > > >> >> >> >> > > atroni
> > > >> >> >> >> > >cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might
be
> a
> > > >> little
> > > >> >> >> >> > different.
> > > >> >> >> >> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
If
> > you
> > > are
> > > >> >> using
> > > >> >> >> >> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with
> > the
> > > >> >> >> xdp-4000x.
> > > >> >> >> >> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable
> through
> > > >> >> >> PhatManager).
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise
> > way
> > > >> back
> > > >> >> >> when:
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> > system.
> > > >> The
> > > >> >> >> >> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You
> > want
> > > to
> > > >> >> >> connect a
> > > >> >> >> >> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange
> (ground)
> > > >> wires.
> > > >> >> I
> > > >> >> >> have
> > > >> >> >> >> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the
> connections
> > > >> >> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > >> >> >> >> > > y conn
> > > >> >> >> >> > >ector. They can be seen on the
> > > >> >> >> >> > > PhatBox connector.
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to
a
> > > head
> > > >> >> unit.
> > > >> >> >> >> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> > > >> multi-device
> > > >> >> >> >> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
> > unmodified
> > > >> cable
> > > >> >> >> will
> > > >> >> >> >> > work
> > > >> >> >> >> > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input.
> It
> > is
> > > >> used
> > > >> >> for
> > > >> >> >> >> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the
> > pull-down
> > > the
> > > >> >> >> signal
> > > >> >> >> >> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
> > > knowing
> > > >> >> when
> > > >> >> >> is
> > > >> >> >> >> > the
> > > >> >> >> >> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then
> > shutdown.
> > > The
> > > >> >> >> PhatBox
> > > >> >> >> >> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you
> > > should
> > > >> >> listen
> > > >> >> >> to
> > > >> >> >> >> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using
> > the
> > > >> C90.
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > Regards,
> > > >> >> >> >> > > Mike"
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > <
> > > >> >> >> >> > > BR>>
> > > >> >> >> >> > >;
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> > 94551
> > > >> >> >> >> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> >> >> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> > Aircraft
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > >==================================================================
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> 94551
> > > >> >> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> Aircraft
> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete
> system
> > > >> reset
> > > >> >> >> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
> > > Phatbox
> > > >> is
> > > >> >> >> there,
> > > >> >> >> >> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > whenever
> > > >> it's
> > > >> >> >> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be
> recognized
> > > and
> > > >> >> >> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down
> > when
> > > >> the
> > > >> >> >> Phatbox
> > > >> >> >> >> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> >> >> >> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> Matt
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > >> >> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
> installed
> > > as
> > > >> >> >> suggested
> > > >> >> >> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
> > plugged
> > > in
> > > >> my
> > > >> >> >> 4000x
> > > >> >> >> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates
> with
> > > the
> > > >> >> >> Phatbox.
> > > >> >> >> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
> > of
> > > >> 4.7k
> > > >> >> >> since
> > > >> >> >> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> Anyone out there
> > > >> >> >> >> with
> > > >> >> >> >> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > > >> >> >> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
> > that
> > > >> >> someone
> > > >> >> >> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> > > factory?
> > > >> I'm
> > > >> >> >> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> >> >> >> From: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
> to
> > > some
> > > >> >> >> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> > you
> > > >> *will
> > > >> >> >> >> need*
> > > >> >> >> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note
the
> > > color
> > > >> >> coding
> > > >> >> >> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of
> cable
> > > you
> > > >> >> have.
> > > >> >> >> >> The
> > > >> >> >> >> links are for reference only and you might find
> > > >> >> >> >> you n
> > > >> >> >> >> eed to interpolate a
> > > >> >> >> >> little
> > > >> >> >> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> What Phatbox Said:
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be
a
> > > little
> > > >> >> >> >> different.
> > > >> >> >> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
> > are
> > > >> using
> > > >> >> >> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with
the
> > > >> >> xdp-4000x.
> > > >> >> >> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > >> >> PhatManager).
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> &g
> > > >> >> >> >> t;
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> > back
> > > >> when:
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> > The
> > > >> >> >> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
> to
> > > >> connect
> > > >> >> a
> > > >> >> >> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> > > wires. I
> > > >> >> have
> > > >> >> >> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > >> >> >> >> (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
> > seen
> > > on
> > > >> the
> > > >> >> >> >> PhatBox connector.
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
> head
> > > unit.
> > > >> >> >> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> > multi-device
> > > >> >> >> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> > > cable
> > > >> will
> > > >> >> >> >> work
> > > >> >> >> >> with any multi-device conf
> > > >> >> >> >> igurat
> > > >> >> >> >> ions.
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It
is
> > > used
> > > >> for
> > > >> >> >> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
> > the
> > > >> signal
> > > >> >> >> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
> > knowing
> > > >> when
> > > >> >> is
> > > >> >> >> >> the
> > > >> >> >> >> right time to initialize itself.
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
> > The
> > > >> >> PhatBox
> > > >> >> >> >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you
> should
> > > >> listen
> > > >> >> to
> > > >> >> >> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using
the
> > > C90.
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> Regards,
> > > >> >> >> >> Mike"
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> >> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> &
> > > >> >> >> >> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> > Aircraft
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
> installed
> > > as
> > > >> >> >> suggested
> > > >> >> >> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
> > plugged
> > > in
> > > >> my
> > > >> >> >> 4000x
> > > >> >> >> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with
> > the
> > > >> >> Phatbox.
> > > >> >> >> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
> > of
> > > >> 4.7k
> > > >> >> >> since
> > > >> >> >> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > > >> willing
> > > >> >> to
> > > >> >> >> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
> > that
> > > >> >> someone
> > > >> >> >> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> > > factory?
> > > >> I'm
> > > >> >> >> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> >> >> >> From: Matt
> > > >> >> >> >> Drall
> > > >> >> >> >> e dralle@matronics.com
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
> to
> > > some
> > > >> >> >> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> > you
> > > >> *will
> > > >> >> >> >> need*
> > > >> >> >> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note
the
> > > color
> > > >> >> coding
> > > >> >> >> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of
> cable
> > > you
> > > >> >> have.
> > > >> >> >> >> The
> > > >> >> >> >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > > interpolate
> > > >> a
> > > >> >> >> >> little
> > > >> >> >> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> What Phatbox Said:
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> http://www.m
> > > >> >> >> >> atroni
> > > >> >> >> >> cs.com/xdp
> > > >> >> >> >> 4000x/
> > > >> >> >> >> SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be
a
> > > little
> > > >> >> >> >> different.
> > > >> >> >> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
> > are
> > > >> using
> > > >> >> >> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with
the
> > > >> >> xdp-4000x.
> > > >> >> >> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > >> >> PhatManager).
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> > back
> > > >> when:
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> > The
> > > >> >> >> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
> to
> > > >> connect
> > > >> >> a
> > > >> >> >> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> > > wires. I
> > > >> >> have
> > > >> >> >> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > > >> >> >> >> ons > R> (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > >> >> >> >> y conn
> > > >> >> >> >> ector. They can be seen on the
> > > >> >> >> >> PhatBox connector.
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
> head
> > > unit.
> > > >> >> >> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> > multi-device
> > > >> >> >> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> > > cable
> > > >> will
> > > >> >> >> >> work
> > > >> >> >> >> with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It
is
> > > used
> > > >> for
> > > >> >> >> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
> > the
> > > >> signal
> > > >> >> >> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
> > knowing
> > > >> when
> > > >> >> is
> > > >> >> >> >> the
> > > >> >> >> >> right time to initialize itself.
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
> > The
> > > >> >> PhatBox
> > > >> >> >> >> sho
> > > >> >> >> >> uld th
> > > >> >> >> >> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > > >> >> >> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using
the
> > > C90.
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> Regards,
> > > >> >> >> >> Mike"
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> BR
> > > >> >> >> >> ;
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> >> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >>
> ==================================================================
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> >> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> &g
> > > >> >> >> >> t;
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram?
> > This
> > > is
> > > >> the
> > > >> >> >> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> > > >> >> themodification
> > > >> >> >> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on
> the
> > > unit
> > > >> for
> > > >> >> me
> > > >> >> >> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> not
> > > >> >> working:
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so
> should
> > do
> > > >> the
> > > >> >> job
> > > >> >> >> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing
was
> > > that
> > > >> in
> > > >> >> the
> > > >> >> >> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do
> > this
> > > >> >> because
> > > >> >> >> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update?
> Im
> > > not
> > > >> sure
> > > >> >> if
> > > >> >> >> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
> > when
> > > >> >> directly
> > > >> >> >> connected to the head unit?
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> >> >> >From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete
> system
> > > reset
> > > >> >> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
> > > Phatbox
> > > >> is
> > > >> >> >> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts
> down
> > > >> whenever
> > > >> >> >> it's
> > > >> >> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be
> recognized
> > > and
> > > >> >> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down
> > when
> > > >> the
> > > >> >> >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> > > >> >> >> > he Son
> > > >> >> >> >y Phatbox firmware?
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Matt
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
> installed
> > as
> > > >> >> >> > suggested
> > > >> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
> plugged
> > > in
> > > >> my
> > > >> >> >> > 4000x
> > > >> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
> > the
> > > >> >> >> Phatbox.
> > > >> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
> of
> > > 4.7k
> > > >> >> >> since
> > > >> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > > willing
> > > >> to
> > > >> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
> that
> > > >> someone
> > > >> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> > factory?
> > > >> I'm
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> > ;
> > > >> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
> to
> > > some
> > > >> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> you
> > > >> *will
> > > >> >> >> > need*
> > > >> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> > > color
> > > >> >> >> > coding
> > > >> >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> > you
> > > >> have.
> > > >> >> >> > The
> > > >> >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > > interpolate
> > > >> a
> > > >> >> >> > little
> > > >> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Wha
> > > >> >> >> > t Matt
> > > >> >> >> > Found on his cable:
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> > little
> > > >> >> >> > different.
> > > >> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
> are
> > > >> using
> > > >> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > >> xdp-4000x.
> > > >> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > >> PhatManager).
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > For reference, here is a message
> > > >> >> >> > from M
> > > >> >> >> >ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> > The
> > > >> >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
> to
> > > >> connect
> > > >> >> >> > a
> > > >> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> > wires.
> > > I
> > > >> >> >> > have
> > > >> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > >> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
> seen
> > > on
> > > >> the
> > > >> >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > > unit.
> > > >> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> > multi-device
> > > >> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> > cable
> > > >> will
> > > >> >> >> > work
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > &g
> > > >> >> >> >t; with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It
is
> > used
> > > >> for
> > > >> >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
> the
> > > >> signal
> > > >> >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
> knowing
> > > when
> > > >> is
> > > >> >> >> > the
> > > >> >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
> The
> > > >> PhatBox
> > > >> >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you
> should
> > > >> listen
> > > >> >> >> > to
> > > >> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> > C90.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Regards,
> > > >> >> >> > Mike"
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Matt G Drall
> > > >> >> >> > e | Ma
> > > >> >> >> >tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
> installed
> > as
> > > >> >> >> > suggested
> > > >> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
> plugged
> > > in
> > > >> my
> > > >> >> >> > 4000x
> > > >> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with
> > the
> > > >> >> Phatbox.
> > > >> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
> of
> > > 4.7k
> > > >> >> >> since
> > > >> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > > willing
> > > >> to
> > > >> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
> that
> > > >> someone
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > &
> > > >> >> >> >gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> > > factory?
> > > >> >> I'm
> > > >> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
> to
> > > some
> > > >> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> you
> > > >> *will
> > > >> >> >> > need*
> > > >> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> > > color
> > > >> >> >> > coding
> > > >> >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> > you
> > > >> have.
> > > >> >> >> > The
> > > >> >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > > interpolate
> > > >> a
> > > >> >> >> > little
> > > >> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin
> > > >> >> >> > numbe
> > > >> >> >> >rs and what not:
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > http://www.m
> > > >> >> >> > atroni
> > > >> >> >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> > little
> > > >> >> >> > different.
> > > >> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
> are
> > > >> using
> > > >> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > >> xdp-4000x.
> > > >> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > >> PhatManager).
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Fo
> > > >> >> >> > r refe
> > > >> >> >> >rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> > The
> > > >> >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
> to
> > > >> connect
> > > >> >> a
> > > >> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> > wires.
> > > I
> > > >> >> have
> > > >> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > >> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > >> >> >> > y conn
> > > >> >> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > >> >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > > unit.
> > > >> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> > multi-device
> > > >> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> > cable
> > > >> will
> > > >> >> >> > work
> > > >> >> >> > &
> > > >> >> >> > gt; &g
> > > >> >> >> >t; with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It
is
> > used
> > > >> for
> > > >> >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
> the
> > > >> signal
> > > >> >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
> knowing
> > > when
> > > >> is
> > > >> >> >> > the
> > > >> >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
> The
> > > >> PhatBox
> > > >> >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you
> should
> > > >> listen
> > > >> >> to
> > > >> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> > C90.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Regards,
> > > >> >> >> > Mike"
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > BR
> > > >> >> >> > ;
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> > > >> >> >> > 94551
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> ==================================================================
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete
> system
> > > reset
> > > >> >> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
> > > Phatbox
> > > >> is
> > > >> >> >> there,
> > > >> >> >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > whenever
> > > >> it's
> > > >> >> >> > pl
> > > >> >> >> > ugged
> > > >> >> >> >in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > >> >> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down
> > when
> > > the
> > > >> >> >> Phatbox
> > > >> >> >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Matt
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
> installed
> > as
> > > >> >> >> suggested
> > > >> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
> plugged
> > > in
> > > >> my
> > > >> >> >> 4000x
> > > >> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
> > the
> > > >> >> Phatbox.
> > > >> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> > > >> >> >> > s inst
> > > >> >> >> >ead of 4.7k since
> > > >> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Anyone out there
> > > >> >> >> > with
> > > >> >> >> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > > >> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
> that
> > > >> someone
> > > >> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> > factory?
> > > >> I'm
> > > >> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
> to
> > > some
> > > >> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> you
> > > >> *will
> > > >> >> >> > need*
> > > >> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> > > color
> > > >> >> coding
> > > >> >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> > you
> > > >> have.
> > > >> >> >> > The
> > > >> >> >> > links are
> > > >> >> >> > for re
> > > >> >> >> >ference only and you might find
> > > >> >> >> > you n
> > > >> >> >> > eed to interpolate a
> > > >> >> >> > little
> > > >> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> > little
> > > >> >> >> > different.
> > > >> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
> are
> > > >> using
> > > >> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > >> xdp-4000x.
> > > >> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > >> PhatManager).
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > g
> > > >> >> >> > t;
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> > back
> > > >> when:
> > > >> >> >> >&
> > > >> >> >> > gt; > >R> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
> his
> > > >> system.
> > > >> >> The
> > > >> >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
> to
> > > >> connect
> > > >> >> a
> > > >> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> > wires.
> > > I
> > > >> >> have
> > > >> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > >> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
> seen
> > > on
> > > >> the
> > > >> >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > > unit.
> > > >> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> > multi-device
> > > >> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> > cable
> > > >> will
> > > >> >> >> > work
> > > >> >> >> > with any multi-device conf
> > > >> >> >> > igurat
> > > >> >> >> > ions.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It
is
> > used
> > > >> for
> > > >> >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
> the
> > > >> signal
> > > >> >> >> > stays
> > > >> >> >> > high
> > > >> >> >> >(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > > >> >> >> > the
> > > >> >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
> The
> > > >> PhatBox
> > > >> >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you
> should
> > > >> listen
> > > >> >> to
> > > >> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> > C90.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Regards,
> > > >> >> >> > Mike"
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> Aircraft
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
> installed
> > as
> > > >> >> >> suggested
> > > >> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
> plugged
> > > in
> > > >> my
> > > >> >> >> 4000x
> > > >> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> > > >> >> >> > ommuni
> > > >> >> >> >cates with the Phatbox.
> > > >> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
> of
> > > 4.7k
> > > >> >> since
> > > >> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > > willing
> > > >> to
> > > >> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
> that
> > > >> someone
> > > >> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> > factory?
> > > >> I'm
> > > >> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> >> >> > From: Matt
> > > >> >> >> > Drall
> > > >> >> >> > e dralle@matronics.com
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
> to
> > > some
> > > >> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> you
> > > >> *will
> > > >> >> >> > need*
> > > >> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> > > color
> > > >> >> coding
> > > >> >> >> <
> > > >> >> >> > BR>>
> > > >> >> >> >; and what not might be different depending on the version of
> cable
> > > you
> > > >> >> have.
> > > >> >> >> > The
> > > >> >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > > interpolate
> > > >> a
> > > >> >> >> > little
> > > >> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > http://www.m
> > > >> >> >> > atroni
> > > >> >> >> > cs.com/xdp
> > > >> >> >> > 4000x/
> > > >> >> >> > SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> > little
> > > >> >> >> > different.
> > > >> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
> are
> > > >> using
> > > >> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > >> xdp-4000x.
> > > >> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > >> PhatManager).
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Matt Drall
> > > >> >> >> > e
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> > back
> > > >> when:
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> > The
> > > >> >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
> to
> > > >> connect
> > > >> >> a
> > > >> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> > wires.
> > > I
> > > >> >> have
> > > >> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > > >> >> >> > ons > > R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > >> >> >> > y conn
> > > >> >> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > >> >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > > unit.
> > > >> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> > multi-device
> > > >> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> > cable
> > > >> will
> > > >> >> >> > work
> > > >> >> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > > >> >> >> > t is a
> > > >> >> >> >n input. It is used for
> > > >> >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
> the
> > > >> signal
> > > >> >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
> knowing
> > > when
> > > >> is
> > > >> >> >> > the
> > > >> >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
> The
> > > >> PhatBox
> > > >> >> >> > sho
> > > >> >> >> > uld th
> > > >> >> >> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> > > >> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> > C90.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Regards,
> > > >> >> >> > Mike"
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > BR
> > > >> >> >> > ;
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> ==================================================================
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> > ;
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > g
> > > >> >> >> > t;
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > matron
> > > >> >> >> >ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation
I
> > > tried
> > > >> >> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last
> > time
> > > I
> > > >> did
> > > >> >> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
> > > resistor
> > > >> >> could be the problem, huh?
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> >> >From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I
am
> > > >> plugging
> > > >> >> > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> > > >> >> > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
> > > Phatbox
> > > >> >> > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some
> point,
> > > but
> > > >> I
> > > >> >> > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning
> > you
> > > a
> > > >> >> > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Matt
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > What do you kn
> > > >> >> > ow abo
> > > >> >> >ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> > > >> >> > only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> > > >> >> modification
> > > >> >> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on
the
> > > unit
> > > >> for
> > > >> >> > me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> > not
> > > >> >> > working:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should
> do
> > > the
> > > >> job
> > > >> >> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
> > that
> > > in
> > > >> >> the
> > > >> >> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do
> this
> > > >> because
> > > >> >> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update?
Im
> > not
> > > >> sure
> > > >> >> > if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still
> work
> > > when
> > > >> >> > directly connected to the head unit?
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > -------------- Original message -----------
> > > >> >> > --- > >R> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> > reset
> > > >> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
> Phatbox
> > > is
> > > >> >> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > > whenever
> > > >> >> > it's
> > > >> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
> and
> > > >> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down
> when
> > > the
> > > >> >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version
> > > >> >> > of the
> > > >> >> > Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Matt
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> > > >> >> > suggested
> > > >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> > > my
> > > >> >> > 4000x
> > > >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
> the
> > > >> >> > Phatbox.
> > > >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
> > 4.7k
> > > >> >> > since
> > > >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > willing
> > > >> >> > to
> > > >> >> > &
> > > >> >> > gt;>
> > > >> >> >; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > >> someone
> > > >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> > > I'm
> > > >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > some
> > > >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > > >> >> > *will
> > > >> >> > need*
> > > >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> > > >> >> > coding
> > > >> >> > and what
> > > >> >> > not mi
> > > >> >> >ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> > > >> >> > have.
> > > >> >> > The
> > > >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > interpolate
> > > >> >> > a
> > > >> >> > little
> > > >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> > > >> >> > different.
> > > >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your in
> > > >> >> > stalla
> > > >> >> >tion.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > >> >> > using
> > > >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > >> >> > xdp-4000x.
> > > >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > >> >> > PhatManager).
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > >> >> > when:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
> > > >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > >> >> > connect
> > > >> >> > a
> > > >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> > > >> >> > orang
> > > >> >> >e (ground) wires. I
> > > >> >> > have
> > > >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> on
> > > >> >> > the
> > > >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > unit.
> > > >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> > > >> >> > will
> > > >> >> > work
> > > >> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> > > >> >> > for
> > > >> >> > &g
> > > >> >> > t; >
> > > >> >> >; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
> > > >> >> > signal
> > > >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > when
> > > >> >> > is
> > > >> >> > the
> > > >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > >> >> > PhatBox
> > > >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > > >> >> > listen
> > > >> >> > to
> > > >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Regards,
> > > >> >> > Mike"
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > &
> > > >> >> > gt; Ma
> > > >> >> >tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> > > >> >> > suggested
> > > >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> > > my
> > > >> >> > 4000x
> > > >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with
the
> > > >> >> > Phatbox.
> > > >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
> > 4.7k
> > > >> >> > since
> > > >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > &
> > > >> >> > gt; &g
> > > >> >> >t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > > willing
> > > >> >> > to
> > > >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > someone
> > > >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> > > I'm
> > > >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > some
> > > >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > > *will
> > > >> >> > need*
> > > >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
> > > >> >> > wire.
> > > >> >> >Note the color
> > > >> >> > coding
> > > >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> you
> > > >> >> > have.
> > > >> >> > The
> > > >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > interpolate
> > > a
> > > >> >> > little
> > > >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > http://www.m
> > > >> >> > atroni
> > > >> >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> > > >> >> > d
> > > >> >> > iffere
> > > >> >> >nt.
> > > >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > using
> > > >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > >> >> > xdp-4000x.
> > > >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > >> >> > PhatManager).
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > >> >> > when:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
> > > >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > >> >> > connect a
> > > >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> > > >> >> > orang
> > > >> >> >e (ground) wires. I
> > > >> >> > have
> > > >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > >> >> > y conn
> > > >> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > unit.
> > > >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> > > >> >> > will
> > > >> >> > work
> > > >> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> > > for
> > > >> >> > a
> > > >> >> > rbitra
> > > >> >> >tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > >> >> > signal
> > > >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > when
> > > >> >> > is
> > > >> >> > the
> > > >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > >> >> > PhatBox
> > > >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > > listen
> > > >> >> > to
> > > >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Regards,
> > > >> >> > Mike"
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > BR
> > > >> >> > ;
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> > > >> >> > ore |
> > > >> >> >CA | 94551
> > > >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ==================================================================
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
> > > >> >> > a comp
> > > >> >> >lete system reset
> > > >> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
> Phatbox
> > > is
> > > >> >> > there,
> > > >> >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> > > it's
> > > >> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
> and
> > > >> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
> > the
> > > >> >> > Phatbox
> > > >> >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Matt
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> > > >> >> > by: bo
> > > >> >> >bbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> > > >> >> > suggested
> > > >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> > > my
> > > >> >> > 4000x
> > > >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
> the
> > > >> >> > Phatbox.
> > > >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
> > 4.7k
> > > >> >> > since
> > > >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Anyone out there
> > > >> >> > with
> > > >> >> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > > >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > someone
> > > >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> > > I'm
> > > >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > -------------- Original me
> > > >> >> > ssage
> > > >> >> >--------------
> > > >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > some
> > > >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > > *will
> > > >> >> > need*
> > > >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> > > >> coding
> > > >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> you
> > > have.
> > > >> >> > The
> > > >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find
> > > >> >> > you n
> > > >> >> > eed to interpolate a
> > > >> >> > little
> > > >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >> >> >&g
> > > >> >> > t; >
> > > >> >> >;
> > > >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> > > >> >> > different.
> > > >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > using
> > > >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > xdp-4000x.
> > > >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > PhatManager).
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > g
> > > >> >> > t;
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > when:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
> > > >> >> > connections
> > > >> >> > are th
> > > >> >> >e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> > > >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires.
> > I
> > > >> have
> > > >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> on
> > > the
> > > >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > unit.
> > > >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> > > will
> > > >> >> > work
> > > >> >> > with any multi-device conf
> > > >> >> > igurat
> > > >> >> > ions.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> > > for
> > > >> >> > arbitration during device initializatio
> > > >> >> > n. Wit
> > > >> >> >hout the pull-down the signal
> > > >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > when
> > > is
> > > >> >> > the
> > > >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > PhatBox
> > > >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > > listen
> > > >> to
> > > >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Regards,
> > > >> >> > Mike"
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > &
> > > >> >> > gt; > >R>
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> > > >> >> > suggested
> > > >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> > > my
> > > >> >> > 4000x
> > > >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with
the
> > > >> Phatbox.
> > > >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
> > 4.7k
> > > >> >> > since
> > > >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > willing
> > > to
> > > >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > someone
> > > >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> > > I'm
> > > >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> >> > From: Matt <
> > > >> >> > BR>>
> > > >> >> >; Drall
> > > >> >> > e dralle@matronics.com
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > some
> > > >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > > *will
> > > >> >> > need*
> > > >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> > > >> coding
> > > >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> you
> > > have.
> > > >> >> > The
> > > >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > interpolate
> > > a
> > > >> >> > little
> > > >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > What P
> > > >> >> >hatbox Said:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > http://www.m
> > > >> >> > atroni
> > > >> >> > cs.com/xdp
> > > >> >> > 4000x/
> > > >> >> > SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> > > >> >> > different.
> > > >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > using
> > > >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > xdp-4000x.
> > > >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > PhatManager).
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > when:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
> > > >> >> > connections
> > > >> >> > are th
> > > >> >> >e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> > > >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires.
> > I
> > > >> have
> > > >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > > >> >> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > >> >> > y conn
> > > >> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > unit.
> > > >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> > > will
> > > >> >> > work
> > > >> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> > > for
> > > >> >> > arbitration during device i
> > > >> >> > nitial
> > > >> >> >ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > when
> > > is
> > > >> >> > the
> > > >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > PhatBox
> > > >> >> > sho
> > > >> >> > uld th
> > > >> >> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
> > > >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Regards,
> > > >> >> > Mike"
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > BR
> > > >> >> > ;
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >&
> > > >> >> > gt; &g
> > > >> >> >t;
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ==================================================================
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > g
> > > >> >> > t;
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram?
> This
> > is
> > > >> the
> > > >> >> > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> > > >> themodification
> > > >> >> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on
the
> > > unit
> > > >> for
> > > >> >> me
> > > >> >> > wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> > > >> >> > not wo
> > > >> >> >rking:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should
> do
> > > the
> > > >> job
> > > >> >> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
> > that
> > > in
> > > >> >> the
> > > >> >> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do
> this
> > > >> because
> > > >> >> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update?
Im
> > not
> > > >> sure
> > > >> >> if
> > > >> >> > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
> > when
> > > >> >> directly
> > > >> >> > connected to the head unit?
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> >> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> > reset
> > > >> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
> Phatbox
> > > is
> > > >> >> >&
> > > >> >> > gt; &g
> > > >> >> >t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > > >> whenever
> > > >> >> > it's
> > > >> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
> and
> > > >> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down
> when
> > > the
> > > >> >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> > > >> >> > he Son
> > > >> >> > y Phatbox firmware?
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Matt
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> > > >> >> > suggested
> > > >> >> > and
> > > >> >> > the pr
> > > >> >> >oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > > >> >> > 4000x
> > > >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
> the
> > > >> >> > Phatbox.
> > > >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
> > 4.7k
> > > >> >> > since
> > > >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > willing
> > > to
> > > >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > someone
> > > >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> > > I'm
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ;
> > > >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> > > >> >> > ue. Be
> > > >> >> >low are two links to some
> > > >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > > *will
> > > >> >> > need*
> > > >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> > > >> >> > coding
> > > >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> you
> > > have.
> > > >> >> > The
> > > >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > interpolate
> > > a
> > > >> >> > little
> > > >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Wha
> > > >> >> > t Matt
> > > >> >> > Found on his cable:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> > > >> >> > different.
> > > >> >> > Use the drawing that m
> > > >> >> > atches
> > > >> >> > best your installation.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > using
> > > >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > xdp-4000x.
> > > >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > PhatManager).
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > For reference, here is a message
> > > >> >> > from M
> > > >> >> > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
> > > >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > connect
> > > >> >> > a
> > > >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires.
> > I
> > > >> >> > have
> > > >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> > > >> >> > can b
> > > >> >> >e seen on the
> > > >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > unit.
> > > >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> > > will
> > > >> >> > work
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > g
> > > >> >> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> > > for
> > > >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > signal
> > > >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > when
> > > is
> > > >> >> > the
> > > >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > PhatBox
> > > >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > > listen
> > > >> >> > to
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Regards,
> > > >> >> > Mike"
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Matt G Drall
> > > >> >> > e | Ma
> > > >> >> > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> > > >> >> > suggested
> > > >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> > > my
> > > >> >> > 4000x
> > > >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with
the
> > > >> Phatbox.
> > > >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
> > 4.7k
> > > >> >> > since
> > > >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> > > >> >> > ation.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > willing
> > > to
> > > >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > someone
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> > > factory?
> > > >> I'm
> > > >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > some
> > > >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > > *will
> > > >> >> > need*
> > > >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> > > >> >> > coding
> > > >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
> > > >> >> > le you
> > > >> >> > have.
> > > >> >> > The
> > > >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > interpolate
> > > a
> > > >> >> > little
> > > >> >> > with respect to colors and pin
> > > >> >> > numbe
> > > >> >> > rs and what not:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > http://www.m
> > > >> >> > atroni
> > > >> >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> > > >> >> > different.
> > > >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > using
> > > >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > xdp-4000x.
> > > >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> > > >> >> > ough P
> > > >> >> >hatManager).
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Fo
> > > >> >> > r refe
> > > >> >> > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
> > > >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > connect
> > > >> a
> > > >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires.
> > I
> > > >> have
> > > >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > >> >> > y conn
> > > >> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > unit.
> > > >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> > > >> >> > 6.00 a
> > > >> >> >nd an unmodified cable will
> > > >> >> > work
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > gt; g
> > > >> >> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> > > for
> > > >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > signal
> > > >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > when
> > > is
> > > >> >> > the
> > > >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > PhatBox
> > > >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > > listen
> > > >> to
> > > >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Regards,
> > > >> >> > Mike"
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > BR
> > > >> >> > ;
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | <
> > > >> >> > BR>>
> > > >> >> >; 94551
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ==================================================================
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> > reset
> > > >> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
> Phatbox
> > > is
> > > >> >> > there,
> > > >> >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> > > it's
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > p
> > > >> >> >l
> > > >> >> > ugged
> > > >> >> > in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > >> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
> > the
> > > >> >> > Phatbox
> > > >> >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Matt
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> > > >> >> > suggested
> > > >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> > > my
> > > >> >> > 4000x
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >&g
> > > >> >> >t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
> > the
> > > >> >> Phatbox.
> > > >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> > > >> >> > s inst
> > > >> >> > ead of 4.7k since
> > > >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Anyone out there
> > > >> >> > with
> > > >> >> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > > >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > someone
> > > >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> > > I'm
> > > >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > some
> > > >> >> > information on ho
> > > >> >> > w the
> > > >> >> >Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > >> >> > need*
> > > >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> > > >> coding
> > > >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> you
> > > have.
> > > >> >> > The
> > > >> >> > links are
> > > >> >> > for re
> > > >> >> > ference only and you might find
> > > >> >> > you n
> > > >> >> > eed to interpolate a
> > > >> >> > little
> > > >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> > > >> >> > different.
> > > >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > &
> > > >> >> >gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
> are
> > > >> using
> > > >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > xdp-4000x.
> > > >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > PhatManager).
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > g
> > > >> >> > t;
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > when:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > gt; > > R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> > > system.
> > > >> The
> > > >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > connect
> > > >> a
> > > >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires.
> > I
> > > >> have
> > > >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> on
> > > the
> > > >> >> > PhatBox
> > > >> >> > conne
> > > >> >> >ctor.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > unit.
> > > >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> > > will
> > > >> >> > work
> > > >> >> > with any multi-device conf
> > > >> >> > igurat
> > > >> >> > ions.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> > > for
> > > >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > signal
> > > >> >> > stays
> > > >> >> > high
> > > >> >> > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > > >> >> > the
> > > >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > PhatBox
> > > >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > > listen
> > > >> to
> > > >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset.
> > > >> >> > He wo
> > > >> >> >uld know best about using the C90.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Regards,
> > > >> >> > Mike"
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> > > >> >> > suggested
> > > >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> > > my
> > > >> >> > 4000x
> > > >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> > > >> >> > ommuni
> > > >> >> > cates with the Phatbox.
> > > >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
> > 4.7k
> > > >> >> since
> > > >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >> >> > <
> > > >> >> > BR>>
> > > >> >> >; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > > willing
> > > >> to
> > > >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > someone
> > > >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> > > I'm
> > > >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> >> > From: Matt
> > > >> >> > Drall
> > > >> >> > e dralle@matronics.com
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > some
> > > >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > > *will
> > > >> >> > need*
> > > >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> > > >> coding
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > BR
> > > >> >> > ; and what not might be different depending on
> > > >> >> > the ve
> > > >> >> >rsion of cable you have.
> > > >> >> > The
> > > >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > interpolate
> > > a
> > > >> >> > little
> > > >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > http://www.m
> > > >> >> > atroni
> > > >> >> > cs.com/xdp
> > > >> >> > 4000x/
> > > >> >> > SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> > > >> >> > different.
> > > >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > using
> > > >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > xdp-4000x.
> > > >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> > > >> >> > are (u
> > > >> >> >pgradeable through PhatManager).
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Matt Drall
> > > >> >> > e
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > when:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
> > > >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > connect
> > > >> a
> > > >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires.
> > I
> > > >> have
> > > >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > > >> >> > ons > > R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > >> >> > y conn
> > > >> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > unit.
> > > >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > >> >> > c
> > > >> >> > onfigu
> > > >> >> >rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > > >> >> > work
> > > >> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > > >> >> > t is a
> > > >> >> > n input. It is used for
> > > >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > signal
> > > >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > when
> > > is
> > > >> >> > the
> > > >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > PhatBox
> > > >> >> > sho
> > > >> >> > uld th
> > > >> >> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
> > > >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Regards,
> > > >> >> > Mike"
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > BR
> > > >> >> > ;
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Matt G
> > > >> >> > Dralle
> > > >> >> > | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ==================================================================
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ;
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > g
> > > >> >> > t;
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > matron
> > > >> >> > ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
> > > >> >> > A | 94
> > > >> >> >551
> > > >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > > > QUOTE>
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my
> resources,
> > > short
> > > >> of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then
> > from
> > > >> itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's
> a
> > > list
> > > >> of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB
> > powers
> > > up
> > > >> fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
> > > >> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
> > C30:
> > > PB
> > > >> powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees
> > the
> > > PB.
> > > >> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
> > C30,
> > > >> Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x
> and
> > > >> Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> > > >> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
> > C30,
> > > >> XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x
> and
> > XM
> > > >> Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> > > >> >XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into
> input
> > of
> > > >> XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
> > > disappear,
> > > >> C90 only sees the PB.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected
> > into
> > > the
> > > >> system without the PB.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is
> shut
> > > down
> > > >> and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both
> > > >> sidesbesides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't
> > > learn a
> > > >> thing from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
> > > problem
> > > >> is...lol
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your
> > system,
> > > >> but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm
> going
> > > to
> > > >> have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset
> > line
> > > >> cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original
> > > PBcable
> > > >> from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than
it
> > was
> > > >> made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has
> > been
> > > >> made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables
> that
> > > were
> > > >> made before the modification was put in place.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I
> > finished
> > > >> all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've
> > been!
> > > >> Ahhhh!
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >-------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> >From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the
> higher
> > > >> > resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment.
> > Well,
> > > >> > unless you miss wire something... :-)
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger
> > slave
> > > on
> > > >> > the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus
> (UB)
> > > has
> > > >> a
> > > >> > class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along
> with
> > > some
> > > >> > examples:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
> > > >> > MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> > > >> > Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> > > >> > Processors: 210, 4000x
> > > >> > , inte
> > > >> >rnal Bass/Treble
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking
for
> > > each
> > > >> > device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond
> with
> > > "I'm
> > > >> > Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> > > >> > particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device
> > class
> > > >> > (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU
> is
> > > >> powered
> > > >> > up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or
> missing
> > > >> > device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
> > > protocol
> > > >> > sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
> > > address
> > > >> > negotiation.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the
> > bus.
> > > The
> > > >> > closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
> > > >> > asical
> > > >> >ly what
> > > >> > happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
> > > >> connectivity
> > > >> > to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the
> > HU.
> > > On
> > > >> > the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
> > > stream,
> > > >> so
> > > >> > negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the
> CD
> > > >> Changer
> > > >> > class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly
> plugged
> > > into
> > > >> > the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting
> with
> > > the
> > > >> > 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but
I
> > > wanted
> > > >> > to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me
a
> > > while
> > > >> to
> > > >> > figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> > > >> > addressing that way, but I didn't really g
> > > >> > et an
> > > >> >answer back. I've written an
> > > >> > embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an
> 8051-compatible
> > > >> > microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is
> > 100%
> > > >> > compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do
> it,
> > > >> surly
> > > >> > Phatbox could.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try
> here
> > on
> > > my
> > > >> > two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something
> else.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation
I
> > tried
> > > >> > using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last
> time
> > I
> > > >> did
> > > >> > not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > So you don't think the reset line in yo
> > > >> > ur dia
> > > >> >gram or a higher value resistor
> > > >> > could be the problem, huh?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> > > plugging
> > > >> > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> > > >> > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
> > Phatbox
> > > >> > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
> > but
> > > I
> > > >> > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning
you
> a
> > > >> > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
> > > >> > rote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
> is
> > > the
> > > >> > only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> > > >> > modification
> > > >> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
> unit
> > > for
> > > >> > me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> not
> > > >> > working:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should
do
> > the
> > > >> > job
> > > >> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
> that
> > in
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > > >> > because
> > > >> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
> not
> > > sure
> > > >> > i
> > > >> > f that
> > > >> > would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > > >> > directly connected to the head unit?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> > > >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> > > >> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > > >> > whenever
> > > >> > it's
> > > >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > >> > controlled since it
> > > >> > is pl
> > > >> >ugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> > > >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > >> >
> > > >> > sugge
> > > >> >sted
> > > >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
> > > >> > my
> > > >> > 4000x
> > > >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > >> > Phatbox.
> > > >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> > > >> > since
> > > >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > > >> > willing
> > > >> > to
> > > >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > >> > someone
> > > >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > > >> > I'm
> > > >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >> > &
> > > >> > gt; &g
> > > >> >t;
> > > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > > >> > some
> > > >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > > >> > *will
> > > >> > need*
> > > >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> > > >> > color
> > > >> > coding
> > > >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > > >> > have.
> > > >> > The
> > > >> >&
> > > >> > gt; &g
> > > >> >t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > > >> > interpolate
> > > >> > a
> > > >> > little
> > > >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > >> > different.
> > > >> > &
> > > >> > gt; Us
> > > >> >e the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > >> > using
> > > >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > >> > xdp-4000x.
> > > >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > >> > PhatManager).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > >> > when:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > >> > &g
> > > >> > t;
> > > >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > >> > connect
> > > >> > a
> > > >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> > > >> > I
> > > >> > have
> > > >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> > > >> > on
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > PhatBox connector.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > > >> > unit.
> > > >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > >> > co
> > > >> > nfigur
> > > >> >ations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > > >> > will
> > > >> > work
> > > >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > > >> > for
> > > >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > >> > signal
> > > >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > > >> > when
> > > >> > is
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > >> > PhatBox
> > > >> > should the
> > > >> > n forc
> > > >> >e a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > > >> > listen
> > > >> > to
> > > >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Regards,
> > > >> > Mike"
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > <
> > > >> >BR>
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > >> > suggested
> > > >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
> > > >> > my
> > > >> > 4000x
> > > >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > > >> > Phatbox.
> > > >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> > > >> > since
> > > >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > > >> > willing
> > > >> > to
> > > >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > >> > so
> > > >> > meone
> > > >> >
> > > >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > > >> > I'm
> > > >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > > >> > some
> > > >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > > >> > *will
> > > >> > need*
> > > >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > ;
> > > >> >coding
> > > >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > > >> > have.
> > > >> > The
> > > >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > > >> > interpolate a
> > > >> > little
> > > >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.m
> > > >> > atroni
> > > >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > ;
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > >> > different.
> > > >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > >> > using
> > > >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > >> > xdp-4000x.
> > > >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > >> > PhatManager).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > >> > when:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > >> > connect a
> > > >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> > > >> > I
> > > >> > have
> > > >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > >> > y conn
> > > >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > >> > PhatBox connector.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > > >> > unit.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Firmw
> > > >> >are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > > >> > will
> > > >> > work
> > > >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > > >> > for
> > > >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > >> > signal
> > > >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > > >> > when
> > > >> > is
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > >> >
> > > >> > &g
> > > >> >t; PhatBox
> > > >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > > >> > listen
> > > >> > to
> > > >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Regards,
> > > >> > Mike"
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > BR
> > > >> > ;
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >
> > > >> > &g
> > > >> > t; >
> > > >> >;
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ==================================================================
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> > > >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So f
> > > >> > rustra
> > > >> >ting, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > > >> > there,
> > > >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> > > >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
> the
> > > >> > Phatbox
> > > >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > At 0
> > > >> > 7:27 P
> > > >> >M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > >> > suggested
> > > >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
> my
> > > >> > 4000x
> > > >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > >> > Phatbox.
> > > >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> > > >> > since
> > > >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Anyone out there
> > > >> > with
> > > >> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > > >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB t
> > > >> > hat > >R> someone
> > > >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> > > >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> > > >> > need*
> > > >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > >> > coding
> > > >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > > >> > have.
> > > >> > The
> > > >> >
> > > >> > &
> > > >> >gt; links are for reference only and you might find
> > > >> > you n
> > > >> > eed to interpolate a
> > > >> > little
> > > >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > >> > different.
> > > >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
> > > >> > If yo
> > > >> >u are using
> > > >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > >> > xdp-4000x.
> > > >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > >> > PhatManager).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> > g
> > > >> > t;
> > > >> >
> > > >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > > >> > a
> > > >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> > > >> > have
> > > >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > >> > (So
> > > >> > nyCabl
> > > >> >e5.pdf).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
> > the
> > > >> > PhatBox connector.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > > >> > work
> > > >> > with any multi-device conf
> > > >> > igurat
> > > >> > ions.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> > > >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > > >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> > > >> >
> > > >> >&
> > > >> >gt; is
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > >> > PhatBox
> > > >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> > > >> > to
> > > >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Regards,
> > > >> > Mike"
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
> > > >> > Produc
> > > >> >ts For Aircraft
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > >> > suggested
> > > >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
> my
> > > >> > 4000x
> > > >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > > >> > Phatbox.
> > > >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> > > >> > since
> > > >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> > > >> > to
> > > >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > >> > someone
> > > >> >
> > > >> > wouldn
> > > >> >'t mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > > >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> > From: Matt
> > > >> > Drall
> > > >> > e dralle@matronics.com
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> > > >> > need*
> > > >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > >> > coding
> > > >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > > >> > have.
> > > >> > &g
> > > >> > t;
> > > >> > The
> > > >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> > > >> > little
> > > >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.m
> > > >> > atroni
> > > >> > cs.com/xdp
> > > >> > 4000x/
> > > >> > SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > >> > different.
> > > >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > ;
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> > > >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > >> > xdp-4000x.
> > > >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > >> > PhatManager).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > > >> > a
> > > >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> > > >> > have
> > > >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > ;
> > > >> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > >> > y conn
> > > >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > >> > PhatBox connector.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > > >> > work
> > > >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> > > >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > > >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the
> > > >> > PhatB
> > > >> >ox has trouble knowing when
> > > >> > is
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > >> > PhatBox
> > > >> > sho
> > > >> > uld th
> > > >> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > > >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Regards,
> > > >> > Mike"
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > BR
> > > >> > ;
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > ;
> > > >> >http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ==================================================================
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > g
> > > >> > t;
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What do you know abou
> > > >> > t the
> > > >> >reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> > > >> > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> > > >> > themodification
> > > >> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
> unit
> > > for
> > > >> > me
> > > >> > wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > > >> > working:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should
do
> > the
> > > >> > job
> > > >> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
> that
> > in
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > > >> > because
> > > >> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
> not
> > > sure
> > > >> > if
> > > >> > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > > >> > directly
> > > >> > connected to the head unit?
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > ;
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> > > >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> > > >> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > whenever
> > > >> > it's
> > > >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> the
> > > >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -
> > > >> > ------
> > > >> >------- Original message --------------
> > > >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> > > >> > he Son
> > > >> > y Phatbox firmware?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > >> > suggested
> > > >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
> my
> > > >> > 4000x
> > > >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > >> > Phatbox.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Still
> > > >> > wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > >> > since
> > > >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> > to
> > > >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > > >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ;
> > > >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > >> > &g
> > > >> > t; inf
> > > >> >ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > >> > need*
> > > >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > >> > coding
> > > >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > > >> > The
> > > >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> > > >> > little
> > > >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Wha
> > > >> > t Matt
> > > >> > Found on his cable:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > >> > different.
> > > >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> > > >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > > >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > For reference, here is a message
> > > >> > from M
> > > >> > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > > >> > a
> > > >> >&g
> > > >> > t; >
> > > >> >; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> > > >> > have
> > > >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
> > the
> > > >> > PhatBox connector.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > > >> > work
> > > >> >
> > > >> > g
> > > >> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> > > >> >
> > > >> > a
> > > >> >rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> > > >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> > is
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > > >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> > > >> > to
> > > >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Regards,
> > > >> > Mike"
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt G Drall
> > > >> > e | Ma
> > > >> > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle
> > > >> > @matro
> > > >> >nics.com Email
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > >> > suggested
> > > >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
> my
> > > >> > 4000x
> > > >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > > >> > Phatbox.
> > > >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> > > >> > since
> > > >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> > to
> > > >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > > >> <
> > > >> > BR>>
> > > >> >;
> > > >> >
> > > >> > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> > > >> > I'm
> > > >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> > > >> > need*
> > > >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > >> > coding
> > > >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > > >> > The
> > > >> >
> > > >> >&g
> > > >> >t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> > a
> > > >> > little
> > > >> > with respect to colors and pin
> > > >> > numbe
> > > >> > rs and what not:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.m
> > > >> > atroni
> > > >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > >> > different.
> > > >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> > > >>
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > > >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Fo
> > > >> > r refe
> > > >> > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > > >> > a
> > > >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> > > >> > have
> > > >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > >> >
> > > >> > &
> > > >> >gt; y conn
> > > >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > >> > PhatBox connector.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > > >> > work
> > > >> >
> > > >> > gt; g
> > > >> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> > > >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > > >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> > is
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > ;
> > > >> >
> > > >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > > >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> > > >> > to
> > > >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Regards,
> > > >> > Mike"
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > BR
> > > >> > ;
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> > > >> > 94551
> > > >> >
> > > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ==========================================
> > > >> > ======
> > > >> >==================
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> > > >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> > > >> > there,
> > > >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> > > >> > pl
> > > >> > ugged
> > > >> > in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > >> >&
> > > >> > gt; &g
> > > >> >t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
> > the
> > > >> > Phatbox
> > > >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > >> > suggested
> > > >> > and the problem is still there... as soo
> > > >> > n as t
> > > >> >he Phatbox is plugged in my
> > > >> > 4000x
> > > >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > >> > Phatbox.
> > > >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> > > >> > s inst
> > > >> > ead of 4.7k since
> > > >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Anyone out there
> > > >> > with
> > > >> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > > >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > > >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> > > >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -
> > > >> >- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> > > >> > need*
> > > >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > >> > coding
> > > >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > > >> > The
> > > >> > links are
> > > >> > for re
> > > >> > ference only and you might find
> > > >> > you n
> > > >> > eed to interpolate a
> > > >> > little
> > > >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.c
> > > >> > om/xdp
> > > >> >4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > >> > different.
> > > >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> > > >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > > >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> > g
> > > >> > t;
> > > >> >
> > > >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > >> > when:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> > > >> > The
> > > >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > > >> > a
> > > >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> > > >> > have
> > > >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
> > the
> > > >> > PhatBox connector.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > > >> > wor
> > > >> > k
> > > >> >
> > > >> > with any multi-device conf
> > > >> > igurat
> > > >> > ions.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> > > >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > > >> > stays
> > > >> > high
> > > >> > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > > >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> > > >> > to
> > > >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Regards,
> > > >> > Mike"
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > &g
> > > >> >t;
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > >> > suggested
> > > >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
> my
> > > >> > 4000x
> > > >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> > > >> > ommuni
> > > >> > cates with the Phatbox.
> > > >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> > > >> >
> > > >> > s
> > > >> >ince
> > > >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> > to
> > > >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > > >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> > > >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> > From: Matt
> > > >> > Drall
> > > >> > e dralle@matronics.com
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > > >> > *will
> > > >> >
> > > >> > need*
> > > >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > >> > coding
> > > >> >
> > > >> > BR
> > > >> > ; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
> > > >> > have.
> > > >> > The
> > > >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> > > >> > little
> > > >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.m
> > > >> > atroni
> > > >> > cs.com/xdp
> > > >> > 4000x/
> > > >> > SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >> >
> > > >> > &g
> > > >> >t;
> > > >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > >> > different.
> > > >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> > > >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > > >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt Drall
> > > >> > e
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > > >> >
> > > >> >&
> > > >> >gt; a
> > > >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> > > >> > have
> > > >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > > >> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > >> > y conn
> > > >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > >> > PhatBox connector.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > > >> > work
> > > >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > > >> > t is a
> > > >> >>
> > > >> > ;
> > > >> > n input. It is used for
> > > >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > > >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> > is
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > > >> > sho
> > > >> > uld th
> > > >> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > > >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Regards,
> > > >> > Mike"
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > BR
> > > >> > ;
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> >
> > > >> >&g
> > > >> >t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ==================================================================
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ;
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > g
> > > >> > t;
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > matron
> > > >> >
> > > >> >&
> > > >> >gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation
I
> > tried
> > > >> > using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last
> time
> > I
> > > >> did
> > > >> > not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
> > > resistor
> > > >> > could be the problem, huh?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> > From: Matt
> > > >> > Drall
> > > >> >e dralle@matronics.com
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> > > plugging
> > > >> > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> > > >> > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
> > Phatbox
> > > >> > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
> > but
> > > I
> > > >> > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning
you
> a
> > > >> > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What do you kn
> > > >> > ow abo
> > > >> > ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> > > >> >
> > > >> > o
> > > >> >nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> > > >> > modification
> > > >> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
> unit
> > > for
> > > >> > me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> not
> > > >> > working:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should
do
> > the
> > > >> job
> > > >> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
> that
> > in
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > > >> because
> > > >> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
> not
> > > sure
> > > >> > if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
> > when
> > > >> > directly connected to the head unit?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -------------- Original message -----------
> > > >> >&
> > > >> > gt; &g
> > > >> >t; --- > > R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> > > >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> > > >> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > whenever
> > > >> > it's
> > > >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> the
> > > >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Are you running the 7.0 version
> > > >> > of the
> > > >> > Sony Phatbox firmware? > > R>
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > >> > suggested
> > > >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
> my
> > > >> > 4000x
> > > >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > >> > Phatbox.
> > > >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> > > >> > since
> > > >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> > > >> > to
> > > >> >
> > > >> > gt;
> > > >> > ; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > someone
> > > >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
> > > >> > able d
> > > >> >irect from the factory? I'm
> > > >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > > >> > *will
> > > >> > need*
> > > >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > >> > coding
> > > >> > and what
> > > >> > not mi
> > > >> > ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> > > >> > have.
> > > >> > The
> > > >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > > >> > a
> > > >> > little
> > > >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What Mat
> > > >> > t Foun
> > > >> >d on his cable:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > >> > different.
> > > >> > Use the drawing that matches best your in
> > > >> > stalla
> > > >> > tion.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > >> > using
> > > >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > >> > xdp-4000x.
> > > >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > >> > PhatManager).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > >> > when:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > "We changed
> > > >> > cable
> > > >> >manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > >> > connect
> > > >> > a
> > > >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> > > >> > orang
> > > >> > e (ground) wires. I
> > > >> > have
> > > >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > PhatBox connector.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > > >> > will
> > > >> > work
> > > >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > > >> > t is a
> > > >> >n input. It is used
> > > >> > for
> > > >> > g
> > > >> > t;
> > > >> > ; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > >> > signal
> > > >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> > > >> > is
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > >> > PhatBox
> > > >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > > >> > listen
> > > >> > to
> > > >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Regards,
> > > >> > Mike"
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > gt; Ma
> > > >> > tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
> > > >> > il
> > > >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > >> > suggested
> > > >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
> my
> > > >> > 4000x
> > > >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > > >> > Phatbox.
> > > >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> > > >> > since
> > > >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > gt; g
> > > >> > t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > willing
> > > >> > to
> > > >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > > >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> > > >> >
> > > >> > runnin
> > > >> >g out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> > > >> > need*
> > > >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
> > > >> > wire.
> > > >> > Note the color
> > > >> > coding
> > > >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > > >> > have.
> > > >> > The
> > > >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> > > >> > little
> > > >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http:/
> > > >> > /www.m
> > > >> >atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.m
> > > >> > atroni
> > > >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > >> > d
> > > >> > iffere
> > > >> > nt.
> > > >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> > > >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > >> > xdp-4000x.
> > > >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > >> > PhatManager).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > >> > when:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
> > > >> > his s
> > > >> >ystem. The
> > > >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > >> > connect a
> > > >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> > > >> > orang
> > > >> > e (ground) wires. I
> > > >> > have
> > > >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > >> > y conn
> > > >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > >> > PhatBox connector.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > > >> > will
> > > >> > work
> > > >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >a
> > > >> > rbitra
> > > >> > tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > >> > signal
> > > >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> > > >> > is
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > >> > PhatBox
> > > >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> > > >> > to
> > > >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Regards,
> > > >> > Mike"
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > BR
> > > >> > ;
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> > > >> > ore |
> > > >> > CA | 94551
> > > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> > > >> > Aircra
> > > >> >ft
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ==================================================================
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
> > > >> > a comp
> > > >> > lete system reset
> > > >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> > > >> > there,
> > > >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> > > >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
> > > >> > shut d
> > > >> >own when the
> > > >> > Phatbox
> > > >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> > > >> > by: bo
> > > >> > bbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > >> > suggested
> > > >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
> my
> > > >> > 4000x
> > > >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > >> > Phatbox.
> > > >> > Still wondering if that resist
> > > >> > or sho
> > > >> >uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > >> > since
> > > >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Anyone out there
> > > >> > with
> > > >> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > > >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > > >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> > > >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -------------- Original me
> > > >> > ssage
> > > >> > --------------
> > > >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> > > >> > need*
> > > >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
> > > >> > Note
> > > >> >the color coding
> > > >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > > >> > The
> > > >> > links are for reference only and you might find
> > > >> > you n
> > > >> > eed to interpolate a
> > > >> > little
> > > >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >> > g
> > > >> > t;
> > > >> > ;
> > > >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > >> > different.
> > > >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> > > >> > anything else, you are going to h
> > > >> > ave op
> > > >> >erational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > > >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> > g
> > > >> > t;
> > > >> >
> > > >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > >> > connections
> > > >> > are th
> > > >> > e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> > > >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> > > have
> > > >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
> > the
> > > >> > PhatBox connector.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > >> > Firmware
> > > >> > 5.00
> > > >> >and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > > >> > work
> > > >> > with any multi-device conf
> > > >> > igurat
> > > >> > ions.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> > > >> > arbitration during device initializatio
> > > >> > n. Wit
> > > >> > hout the pull-down the signal
> > > >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> > is
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > > >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> > > to
> > > >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Regards,
> > > >> > Mike"
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >&g
> > > >> > t; >
> > > >> >;
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > gt; > > R
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > >> > suggested
> > > >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
> my
> > > >> > 4000x
> > > >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > > Phatbox.
> > > >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> > > >> > since
> > > >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> > to
> > > >> > pa
> > > >> > rt wit
> > > >> >h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > > >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> > > >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> > From: Matt
> > > >> > BR
> > > >> > ; Drall
> > > >> > e dralle@matronics.com
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> > > >> > need*
> > > >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > coding
> > > >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > > >> > The
> > > >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> > > >> >
> > > >> >&
> > > >> >gt; little
> > > >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What P
> > > >> > hatbox Said:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.m
> > > >> > atroni
> > > >> > cs.com/xdp
> > > >> > 4000x/
> > > >> > SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > >> > different.
> > > >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> > > >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > > >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> > <
> > > >> > BR>>
> > > >> >; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > >> > connections
> > > >> > are th
> > > >> > e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> > > >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> > > have
> > > >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > > >> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > >> > y conn
> > > >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > >> > PhatBox connector.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > > >> > work
> > > >> > with any multi-devi
> > > >> > ce con
> > > >> >figurations.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> > > >> > arbitration during device i
> > > >> > nitial
> > > >> > ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> > is
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > > >> > sho
> > > >> > uld th
> > > >> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > > >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Regards,
> > > >> > Mike"
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > BR
> > > >> > ;
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
> > > >> > Email
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > gt; g
> > > >> > t;
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ==================================================================
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > g
> > > >> > t;
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
> is
> > > the
> > > >> > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> > > >> themodification
> > > >> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
> unit
> > > for
> > > >> >>
> > > >> > ; me <
> > > >> >BR> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> > > >> > not wo
> > > >> > rking:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should
do
> > the
> > > >> job
> > > >> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
> that
> > in
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > > >> because
> > > >> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
> not
> > > sure
> > > >> > if
> > > >> > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > > >> > directly
> > > >> > connected to the head unit?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >
> > > >> > &g
> > > >> > t; Yes
> > > >> >, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > > >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> > > >> >
> > > >> > gt; g
> > > >> > t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > > whenever
> > > >> > it's
> > > >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> the
> > > >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> > > >> > he Son
> > > >> > y Phatbox firmware?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
> > > >> > wrote
> > > >> >:
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > >> > suggested
> > > >> > and
> > > >> > the pr
> > > >> > oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > > >> > 4000x
> > > >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > >> > Phatbox.
> > > >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> > > >> > since
> > > >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> > to
> > > >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > > >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ;
> > > >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >> > &
> > > >> > gt; > >R> -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> > > >> > ue. Be
> > > >> > low are two links to some
> > > >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> > > >> > need*
> > > >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > >> > coding
> > > >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > > >> > The
> > > >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> > > >> > little
> > > >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Wha
> > > >> > t Matt
> > > >> > Found on his cable:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >> >
> > > >> >&
> > > >> >gt;
> > > >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > >> > different.
> > > >> > Use the drawing that m
> > > >> > atches
> > > >> > best your installation.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> > > >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > > >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > For reference, here is a message
> > > >> > from M
> > > >> > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connec
> > > >> > t
> > > >> >
> > > >> > a
> > > >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> > > >> > have
> > > >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> > > >> > can b
> > > >> > e seen on the
> > > >> > PhatBox connector.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > > >> > work
> > > >> >
> > > >> > g
> > > >> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> > > >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > > >> > stays high (+5V) at
> > > >> > all ti
> > > >> >mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > > >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> > > >> > to
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Regards,
> > > >> > Mike"
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt G Drall
> > > >> > e | Ma
> > > >> > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > >> >
> > > >> > sugge
> > > >> >sted
> > > >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
> my
> > > >> > 4000x
> > > >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > > Phatbox.
> > > >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> > > >> > since
> > > >> > there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> > > >> > ation.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> > to
> > > >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> > > I'm
> > > >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> > &
> > > >> > gt; > >R>
> > > >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> > > >> > need*
> > > >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > >> > coding
> > > >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
> > > >> > le you
> > > >> > have.
> > > >> > The
> > > >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> > > >> > little
> > > >> > with respect to colors and pin
> > > >> > numbe
> > > >> > rs and what not:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.m
> > > >> > atroni
> > > >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Depend
> > > >> >ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > >> > different.
> > > >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> > > >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > > >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> > > >> > ough P
> > > >> > hatManager).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Fo
> > > >> > r refe
> > > >> > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > > a
> > > >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> > > have
> > > >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description
> > > >> > of the
> > > >> > connections
> > > >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > >> > y conn
> > > >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > >> > PhatBox connector.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> > > >> > 6.00 a
> > > >> > nd an unmodified cable will
> > > >> > work
> > > >> >
> > > >> > gt; g
> > > >> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> > > >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > > >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> > is
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > &g
> > > >> > t; Aft
> > > >> >er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > > >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> > > to
> > > >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Regards,
> > > >> > Mike"
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > BR
> > > >> > ;
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> > > >> > BR
> > > >> > ; 94551
> > > >> >
> > > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ==================================================================
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> >>
> > > >> > ;
> > > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> > > >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> > > >> > there,
> > > >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> > > >> >
> > > >> > p
> > > >> > l
> > > >> > ugged
> > > >> > in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
> the
> > > >> > Phatbox
> > > >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message p
> > > >> > osted
> > > >> >by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > >> > suggested
> > > >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
> my
> > > >> > 4000x
> > > >> >
> > > >> > g
> > > >> > t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
> the
> > > >> > Phatbox.
> > > >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> > > >> > s inst
> > > >> > ead of 4.7k since
> > > >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Anyone out there
> > > >> > with
> > > >> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
> > > >> > illing
> > > >> > to
> > > >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > > >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> > > >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > >> > information on ho
> > > >> > w the
> > > >> > Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > >> > need*
> > > >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > coding
> > > >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > > >> > The
> > > >> > links are
> > > >> > for re
> > > >> > ference only and you might find <
> > > >> > BR>>
> > > >> >; you n
> > > >> > eed to interpolate a
> > > >> > little
> > > >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > >> > different.
> > > >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
> > > using
> > > >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > > >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > g
> > > >> >> t;
> > > >> >
> > > >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > gt; > > R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> > system.
> > > The
> > > >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > > a
> > > >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> > > have
> > > >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
> > the
> > > >> > PhatBox
> > > >> > conne
> > > >> > ctor.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > > >> > work
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >with any multi-device conf
> > > >> > igurat
> > > >> > ions.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> > > >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > > >> > stays
> > > >> > high
> > > >> > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > > >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> > > to
> > > >> > Matt regarding pushing reset.
> > > >> > He wo
> > > >> > uld know best about using the C90.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Regards,
> > > >> > Mike"
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-6
> > > >> > 06-628
> > > >> >1 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > >> > suggested
> > > >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
> my
> > > >> > 4000x
> > > >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> > > >> > ommuni
> > > >> > cates with the Phatbox.
> > > >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> > > >> > since
> > > >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > BR
> > > >> > ; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > willing
> > > to
> > > >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > > >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a
> > > >> > cable
> > > >> > direct from the factory? I'm
> > > >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >> > From: Matt
> > > >> > Drall
> > > >> > e dralle@matronics.com
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> > > >> > need*
> > > >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > coding
> > > >> >
> > > >> > BR
> > > >> > ; and what not might be different depending on
> > > >> > the ve
> > > >> > rsion of cable you have.
> > > >> > The
> > > >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> > > >> > little
> > > >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers
> > > >> > and w
> > > >> >hat not:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.m
> > > >> > atroni
> > > >> > cs.com/xdp
> > > >> > 4000x/
> > > >> > SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > >> > different.
> > > >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> > > >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > > >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> > > >> > are (u
> > > >> > pgradeable through PhatManager).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt Drall
> > > >> > e
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > For reference, here is a messag
> > > >> > e from
> > > >> > Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > > a
> > > >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> > > have
> > > >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > > >> > ons > > R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > >> > y conn
> > > >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > >> > PhatBox connector.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > >> > c
> > > >> > onfigu
> > > >> > rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > > >> > work
> > > >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> > ;
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > > >> > t is a
> > > >> > n input. It is used for
> > > >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > > >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> > is
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > > >> > sho
> > > >> > uld th
> > > >> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > > >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Regards,
> > > >> > Mike"
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > BR
> > > >> > ;
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt G
> > > >> > Dralle
> > > >> > | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.c
> > > >> > om Ema
> > > >> >il
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ==================================================================
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ;
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > g
> > > >> > t;
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > matron
> > > >> > ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
> > > >> > A | 94
> > > >> > 551
> > > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.co
> > > >> > m Emai
> > > >> >l
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > > QUOTE
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ist/se
> > > >> >arch
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Ok, I went ahead andclipped thereset wire and nowthe PBactually works in
my
> > > system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my
> > > processor is not accepting analog audio at the analog changerinput any
> longer
> > > (and it used to just fine)... Idid testand there is audio at the outputs
of
> > the
> > > PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull highs.
> > > >
> > > >I threw my cd changerback in to see if my processor would accept analog
> audio
> > > from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer
> > > either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand since I always
> > used
> > > the digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
> > > >
> > > >I have yet to try my XM unit, which I know the analog outs used to work
on
> > > since those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months
in
> my
> > > system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late
> and
> > I
> > > don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
> > > >
> > > >So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially
> > > convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I
> said
> > > before it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken
> > inside
> > > of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can
> check
> > > everything out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-------------- Original message --------------
> > > >From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > Cut the reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that
> > line
> > > > down and never letting anyone else init.
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
> > > short
> > > > of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then
> from
> > > it
> > > > split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's
a
> > list
> > > > of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
> > > >
> > > > Phatbox (PB) plugged directly int
> > > > o the
> > > >Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
> > > > up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
> > > > XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
> C30:
> > PB
> > > > powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees
> the
> > > PB.
> > > > XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
> C30,
> > > > Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x
> and
> > > > Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> > > > XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
> C30,
> > > > XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x
and
> > XM
> > > > Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> > > > XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input
> of
> > > > XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
> > > disappear,
> > > > C90 only sees the PB.
> > > >
> > > >&
> > > > gt; &g
> > > >t;Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected
> into
> > > the
> > > > system without the PB.
> > > >
> > > > Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
> > > down
> > > > and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both
> sides
> > > > besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn
> a
> > > > thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
> > > problem
> > > > is...lol
> > > >
> > > > Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your
> system,
> > > > but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm
> going
> > to
> > > > have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset
> line
> > > > cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original
PB
> > > > cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other
> than
> > > it
> > > > was made by Phatnoise) or age o
> > > > f the
> > > >cable so I don't know how recent it has
> > > > been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old
> cables
> > > that
> > > > were made before the modification was put in place.
> > > >
> > > > I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I
> finished
> > > > all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've
> been!
> > > > Ahhhh!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
> > > > resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment.
> Well,
> > > > unless you miss wire something... :-)
> > > >
> > > > The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger sla
> > > > ve
> > > >> on
> > > > the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
> > has
> > > > a
> > > > class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
> > > > some
> > > > examples:
> > > >
> > > > CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
> > > > MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> > > > Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> > > > Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
> > > >
> > > > On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for
> each
> > > > device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
> > "I'm
> > > > Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> > > > particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
> > > > (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (lo
> > > > w nibb
> > > >le).
> > > >
> > > > An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
> > > > powered
> > > > up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
> > > > device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
> > protocol
> > > > sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
> > > > address
> > > > negotiation.
> > > >
> > > > The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
> > > > The
> > > > closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
> > > > happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
> > > > connectivity
> > > > to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the
HU.
> > On
> > > > the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
> > stream,
> > > > so
> > > >>
> > > > ;
> > > > negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
> > > >
> > > > The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
> > > > Changer
> > > > class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
> > > > into
> > > > the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
> > > >
> > > > That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
> > the
> > > > 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
> > > > wanted
> > > > to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a
> while
> > > > to
> > > > figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> > > > addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've written
> an
> > > > embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
> > > > microco
> > > > ntroll
> > > >er and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
> > > > compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
> > > > surly
> > > > Phatbox could.
> > > >
> > > > If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here
> on
> > > > my
> > > > two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
> tried
> > > > using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
> I
> > > > did
> > > > not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> > > >
> > > > &g
> > > > t; >
> > > >;So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
> resistor
> > > > could be the problem, huh?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> > > > plugging
> > > > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> > > > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
> > > > Phatbox
> > > > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
but
> > > > I
> > > > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you
a
> > > > XA-C30 if you pr
> > > > omise
> > > >on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> > > > the
> > > > only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> > > > modification
> > > > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> > > > for
> > > > me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > > > working:
> > > >
> > > > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> > > > the > > R>
> > > > job
> > > > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> > > > in
> > > > the
> > > > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > > > because
> > > > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> > > > sure
> > > > if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > > > directly connected to the head unit?
> > > >
> > > > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > > &g
> > > > t; >
> > > >;
> > > > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> > > > reset
> > > > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> > > > is
> > > > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > > > whenever
> > > > it's
> > > > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> > > > the
> > > > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > XDP400
> > > >0X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> > > > as
> > > > suggested
> > > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> > > > in
> > > > my
> > > > 4000x
> > > > powers
> > > > down,
> > > >the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > > Phatbox.
> > > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> > > > 4.7k
> > > > since
> > > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > > > willing
> > > > to
> > > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > > someone
> > > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > > > I'm
> > > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -
> > > >------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > > > some
> > > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> > > > you
> > > > *will
> > > > need*
> > > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> > > > color
> > > > coding
> > > > and what not might be different depending on the versi
> > > > on of
> > > >cable
> > > > you
> > > > have.
> > > > The
> > > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > > > interpolate
> > > > a
> > > > little
> > > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >
> > > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >
> > > > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pd
> > > > f
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> > > > little
> > > > different.
> > > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >
> > > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
> > > > are
> > > > using
> > > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > > xdp-4000x.
> > > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > > PhatManager).
> > > >
> > > > Matt Dralle
> > > > &
> > > > gt; &g
> > > >t;
> > > >
> > > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> > > > back
> > > > when:
> > > >
> > > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> > > > The
> > > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > > connect
> > > > a
> > > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> > > > wires.
> > > > I
> > > > have
> > > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > > &g
> > > > t; >
> > > >;
> > > > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
> > > > seen
> > > > on
> > > > the
> > > > PhatBox connector.
> > > >
> > > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > > > unit.
> > > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> > > > multi-device
> > > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> > > > cable
> > > > will
> > > > work
> > > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is with the
> > > > bus m
> > > >aster signal. It is an input. It is
> > > > used
> > > > for
> > > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
> > > > the
> > > > signal
> > > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
> > > > knowing
> > > > when
> > > > is
> > > > the
> > > > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >
> > > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
> > > > The
> > > > PhatBox
> > > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > > > listen
> > > > to
> > > > &g
> > > > t; >
> > > >; Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> > > > C90.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mike"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > <
> > > > BR>>
> > > >;
> > > >
> > > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> > > > as
> > > > suggested
> > > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> > > > in
> > > > my
> > > > 4000x
> > > > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > > > Phatbox.
> > > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> > > > 4.7k
> > > > since
> > > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're > > R>
> > > > willing
> > > > to
> > > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > > someone
> > > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > > > I'm
> > > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > > > s
> > > > ome > >R> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> > you
> > > > *will
> > > > need*
> > > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> > > > color
> > > > coding
> > > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> > > > you
> > > > have.
> > > > The
> > > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > > > interpolate a
> > > > little
> > > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >
> > > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > > &
> > > > gt;>
> > > >;
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >
> > > > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.m
> > > > atroni
> > > > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> > > > little
> > > > different.
> > > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >
> > > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > > using
> > > >
> > > > &
> > > >gt; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > > xdp-4000x.
> > > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > > PhatManager).
> > > >
> > > > Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> > > > back
> > > > when:
> > > >
> > > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> > > > The
> > > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > > connect a
> > > > &g
> > > > t; >
> > > >; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> > > > wires.
> > > > I
> > > > have
> > > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >
> > > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > > y conn
> > > > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > > PhatBox connector.
> > > >
> > > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > > > unit.
> > > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> > > > multi-device
> > > > configuration
> > > > s. I'm
> > > > not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> > > > cable
> > > > will
> > > > work
> > > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> > > > used
> > > > for
> > > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > > signal
> > > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > > > when
> > > > is
> > > > the
> > > > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >
> > > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot
> > > > and t
> > > >hen shutdown. The
> > > > PhatBox
> > > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > > > listen
> > > > to
> > > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> > > > C90.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mike"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BR
> > > > ;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@m
> > > > atroni
> > > >cs.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ==================================================================
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Air
> > > > craft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> > > > reset
> > > > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> > > > is
> > > > there,
> > > > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> > > > it's
> > > > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
> > > > the
> > > > Phatbox
> > > > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > > >
> > > > &
> > > > gt;>
> > > >; -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > > suggested
> > > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> > > > in > >R> my
> > > > 4000x
> > > > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > > Phatbox.
> > > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> > > > 4.7k
> > > > since
> > > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone out there
> > > > with
> > > > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > > someone
> > > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > > > I'm
> > > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > > &g
> > > > t;
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > > > *will
> > > > need*
> > > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > > coding
> > > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > > > have.
> > > > The
> > > > links are for reference only and you might f
> > > > ind > >R> you n
> > > > eed to interpolate a
> > > > little
> > > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >
> > > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >
> > > > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > > different.
> > > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > > &g
> > > > t;
> > > >
> > > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > > using
> > > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > > xdp-4000x.
> > > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > > PhatManager).
> > > >
> > > > Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > > t;
> > > >
> > > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > > when:
> > > >
> > > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > >
> > > > conne
> > > >ct
> > > > a
> > > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > > have
> > > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >
> > > > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> > > > the
> > > > PhatBox connector.
> > > >
> > > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > > > will
> > > > work
> > > > with any multi-device conf
> > > >
> > > >&g
> > > >t; igurat
> > > > ions.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > > > for
> > > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > > signal
> > > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > > > when
> > > > is
> > > > the
> > > > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >
> > > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > > PhatBox
> > > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > > > listen
> > > > to
> > > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know be
> > > > st abo
> > > >ut using the C90.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mike"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > >
> > > > &
> > > >gt; suggested
> > > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > > > my
> > > > 4000x
> > > > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > > > Phatbox.
> > > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> > > > 4.7k
> > > > since
> > > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > > > willing
> > > > to
> > > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > > someone
> > > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > > > I'm
> > > >
> > > > &
> > > >gt; running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt
> > > > Drall
> > > > e dralle@matronics.com
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > > > *will
> > > > need*
> > > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > > coding
> > > > and what not might be different dependi
> > > > ng on
> > > >the version of cable you
> > > > have.
> > > > The
> > > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > > > a
> > > > little
> > > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >
> > > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >
> > > > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.m
> > > > atroni
> > > > cs.com/xdp
> > > > 4000x/
> > > > SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > ;
> > > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > > different.
> > > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >
> > > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > > using
> > > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > > xdp-4000x.
> > > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > > PhatManager).
> > > >
> > > > Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > > when:
> > > >
> > > > "We
> > > > chang
> > > >ed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > > connect
> > > > a
> > > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > > have
> > > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > > > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >
> > > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > > y conn
> > > > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > > PhatBox connector.
> > > >
> > > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable w
> > > > orks w
> > > >ith simple multi-device
> > > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > > > will
> > > > work
> > > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > > > for
> > > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > > signal
> > > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > > > when
> > > > is
> > > > the
> > > > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >
> > > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > > PhatBox
> > > > sho > > R>
> > > > uld th
> > > > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mike"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BR
> > > > ;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > &
> > > > gt; > >R>
> > > > ==================================================================
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > > t;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > &
> > > > gt;>
> > > >; What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
is
> > > > the
> > > > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> > > > themodification
> > > > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> > > > for
> > > > me
> > > > wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > > > working:
> > > >
> > > > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> > > > the
> > > > job
> > > > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> > > > in
> > > > the
> > > > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > > > because
> > > > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a fir
> > > > mware
> > > >update? Im not
> > > > sure
> > > > if
> > > > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > > > directly
> > > > connected to the head unit?
> > > >
> > > > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > > > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> > > > is
> > > > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shut
> > > > s down
> > > >
> > > > whenever
> > > > it's
> > > > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> > > > the
> > > > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> > > > he Son
> > > > y Phatbox firmware?
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At
> > > > 07:27
> > > >PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > > suggested
> > > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > > > my
> > > > 4000x
> > > > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > > Phatbox.
> > > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > > since
> > > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > > > to
> > > > par
> > > > t with
> > > > for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > > someone
> > > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > > > I'm
> > > >
> > > > ;
> > > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > > > *will
> > > > need*
> > > > the 4.7k ohm resistor be
> > > > tween
> > > >ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > > coding
> > > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > > > have.
> > > > The
> > > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > > > a
> > > > little
> > > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >
> > > > Wha
> > > > t Matt
> > > > Found on his cable:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >
> > > > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >&
> > > >gt; Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > > different.
> > > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >
> > > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > > using
> > > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > > xdp-4000x.
> > > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > > PhatManager).
> > > >
> > > > Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For reference, here is a message
> > > > from M
> > > > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > > >
> > > > "We chang
> > > > ed cab
> > > >le manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > > connect
> > > > a
> > > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > > have
> > > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >
> > > > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> > > > the
> > > > PhatBox connector.
> > > >
> > > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > > configurations. I'm not sure if f
> > > > irmwar
> > > >e 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > > > will
> > > > work
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > > > for
> > > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > > signal
> > > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > > > is
> > > > the
> > > > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >
> > > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > > PhatBox
> > > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > > > listen
> > > > &g
> > > > t;
> > > > to
> > > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mike"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Drall
> > > > e | Ma
> > > > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> > > > as > >R> suggested
> > > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > > > my
> > > > 4000x
> > > > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > > > Phatbox.
> > > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > > since
> > > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > > > to
> > > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > > someone
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > > > >
> > > > ;
> > > >I'm
> > > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > > > *will
> > > > need*
> > > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > > coding
> > > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > > > have.
> > > > T
> > > > he
> > > >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > > > a
> > > > little
> > > > with respect to colors and pin
> > > > numbe
> > > > rs and what not:
> > > >
> > > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >
> > > > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.m
> > > > atroni
> > > > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > > different.
> > > > >
> > > > ;
> > > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >
> > > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > > using
> > > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > > xdp-4000x.
> > > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > > PhatManager).
> > > >
> > > > Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Fo
> > > > r refe
> > > > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > > >
> > > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > > co
> > > > nnect
> > > >
> > > > a
> > > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > > have
> > > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >
> > > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > > y conn
> > > > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > > PhatBox connector.
> > > >
> > > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > > > will
> > > > work
> > > >
> > > > &g
> > > > t; >
> > > >; gt; g
> > > > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > > > for
> > > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > > signal
> > > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > > > is
> > > > the
> > > > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >
> > > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > > PhatBox
> > > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > > > listen
> > > > to
> > > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > > &
> > > > gt; > >R> Regards,
> > > > Mike"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BR
> > > > ;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> > > > 94551
> > > >
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ==================================================================
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > ;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > > > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> > > > is
> > > > there,
> > > > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> > > > it's
> > > > pl
> > > > ugged
> > > > in. I find it odd that the
> > > > Phatb
> > > >ox can still be recognized and
> > > > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> > > > Phatbox
> > > > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > > >
> > > > ;
> > > >
> > > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > > suggested
> > > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > > > my
> > > > 4000x
> > > > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > > Phatbox.
> > > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> > > > s inst
> > > > ead of 4.7k since
> > > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone out there
> > > > with
> > > > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > > so
> > > > meone
> > > >
> > > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > > > I'm
> > > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > > > *will
> > > > need*
> > > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > > coding
> > > > and what not might be different depending
> > > > on the
> > > > version of cable you
> > > > have.
> > > > The
> > > > links are
> > > > for re
> > > > ference only and you might find
> > > > you n
> > > > eed to interpolate a
> > > > little
> > > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >
> > > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >
> > > > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little >
>
> R>
> > > > different.
> > > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >
> > > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > > using
> > > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > > xdp-4000x.
> > > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > > PhatManager).
> > > >
> > > > Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > > t;
> > > >
> > > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > > when:
> > > >
> > > > gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> > > > system. > > R>
> > > > The
> > > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > > connect
> > > > a
> > > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > > have
> > > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >
> > > > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> > > > the
> > > > PhatBox connector.
> > > >
> > > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > > > will
> > > >
> > > > &
> > > >gt; work
> > > > with any multi-device conf
> > > > igurat
> > > > ions.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > > > for
> > > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > > signal
> > > > stays
> > > > high
> > > > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > > > the
> > > > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >
> > > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > > PhatBox
> > > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > > > listen
> > > > to
> > > > &g
> > > > t;
> > > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mike"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > > s
> > > > uggest
> > > >ed
> > > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > > > my
> > > > 4000x
> > > > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> > > > ommuni
> > > > cates with the Phatbox.
> > > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > > since
> > > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > > > to
> > > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > > someone
> > > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > > > I'm
> > > > running out of options here. Can anybody hel
> > > > p?
> > > >>
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt
> > > > Drall
> > > > e dralle@matronics.com
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > > > *will
> > > > need*
> > > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > > coding
> > > >
> > > > BR
> > > > ; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > > >>
> > > > ;
> > > > have.
> > > > The
> > > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > > > a
> > > > little
> > > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >
> > > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >
> > > > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.m
> > > > atroni
> > > > cs.com/xdp
> > > > 4000x/
> > > > SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > > >
> > > > ;
> > > > different.
> > > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >
> > > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > > using
> > > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > > xdp-4000x.
> > > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > > PhatManager).
> > > >
> > > > Matt Drall
> > > > e
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > > when:
> > > >
> > > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > > connections are t
> > > > he sam
> > > >e but the colors are different. You want to
> > > > connect
> > > > a
> > > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > > have
> > > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > > > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >
> > > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > > y conn
> > > > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > > PhatBox connector.
> > > >
> > > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > > > will
> > > > >
> > > > ;
> > > > work
> > > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > > > t is a
> > > > n input. It is used for
> > > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > > signal
> > > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > > > is
> > > > the
> > > > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >
> > > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > > PhatBox
> > > > sho
> > > > uld th
> > > > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > > > Matt regardi
> > > > ng pus
> > > >hing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mike"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BR
> > > > ;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ==================================================================
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > &
> > > >gt;
> > > > ;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > > t;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > matron
> > > > ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Bo
> > > > x 347
> > > >| Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
> tried
> > > > using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
> I
> > > > did
> > > > not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> > > >
> > > > So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
> resistor
> > > > could be the problem, huh?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP
> > > >4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> > > > plugging
> > > > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> > > > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> > > > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
but
> > > > I
> > > > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you
a
> > > > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > What do you kn
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >ow abo
> > > > ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> > > > only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> > > > modification
> > > > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> > > > for
> > > > me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > > > working:
> > > >
> > > > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
> > > > job
> > > > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> in
> > > > the
> > > > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > > > because
> > > > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> > > > sure
> > > > if that would help but you might want to ask
> > > > Matt.
> > > >Does it still work when
> > > > directly connected to the head unit?
> > > >
> > > > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message -----------
> > > > --- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > > > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
> > > > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> > > > it's
> > > > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> <
> > > > BR>>
> > > >; Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > Are you running the 7.0 version
> > > > of the
> > > > Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > > suggested
> > > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
> > > > 4000x
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > > Phatbox.
> > > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > > since
> > > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > > > to
> > > >
> > > > gt;
> > > > ; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > > someone
> > > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted b
> > > > y: Mat
> > > >t Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > > > *will
> > > > need*
> > > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > > coding
> > > > and what
> > > > not mi
> > > > ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> > > > have.
> > > > The
> > > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > > > a
> > > > little
> > > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >
> > > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com
> > > > /xdp40
> > > >00x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >
> > > > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > > different.
> > > > Use the drawing that matches best your in
> > > > stalla
> > > > tion.
> > > >
> > > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > > using
> > > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > > xdp-4000x.
> > > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > > PhatManager).
> > > >
> > > > Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For r
> > > > eferen
> > > >ce, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > > when:
> > > >
> > > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > > connect
> > > > a
> > > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> > > > orang
> > > > e (ground) wires. I
> > > > have
> > > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >
> > > > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> > > > the
> > > > PhatBox connector.
> > > >
> > > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > > Firmware 5.00 and an
> > > > unmod
> > > >ified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > > > will
> > > > work
> > > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > > > for
> > > > g
> > > > t;
> > > > ; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > > signal
> > > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > > > is
> > > > the
> > > > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >
> > > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > > PhatBox
> > > > should then force a reset after a few
> > > > second
> > > >s. However, you should
> > > > listen
> > > > to
> > > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mike"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > gt; Ma
> > > > tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > > suggested
> > > > and the problem is still there... as soon
> > > > as th
> > > >e Phatbox is plugged in my
> > > > 4000x
> > > > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > > > Phatbox.
> > > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > > since
> > > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > gt; g
> > > > t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > > > to
> > > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> > > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@
> > > > matron
> > > >ics.com
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > > need*
> > > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
> > > > wire.
> > > > Note the color
> > > > coding
> > > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > > > have.
> > > > The
> > > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> > > > little
> > > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >
> > > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > > <
> > > > BR>>
> > > >; http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >
> > > > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.m
> > > > atroni
> > > > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > > d
> > > > iffere
> > > > nt.
> > > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >
> > > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > > xdp-4000x.
> > > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > > PhatManager).
> > > >
> > > > Matt Dralle
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > > when:
> > > >
> > > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > > connect a
> > > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> > > > orang
> > > > e (ground) wires. I
> > > > have
> > > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >
> > > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > > y conn
> > > > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > > PhatBox connector.
> > > >
> > > > An unmodified cable should work when direc
> > > > tly co
> > > >nnected to a head unit.
> > > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > > > will
> > > > work
> > > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > > > a
> > > > rbitra
> > > > tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > > signal
> > > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > > > is
> > > > the
> > > > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >
> > > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > > PhatBox
> > > > sho
> > > > uld th
> > > >en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > > > to
> > > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mike"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BR
> > > > ;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> > > > ore |
> > > > CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ==================================================================
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > <
> > > > BR>>
> > > >;
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
> > > > a comp
> > > > lete system reset
> > > > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
> > > > there,
> > > > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> > > > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> > > >
> > > > Phatb
> > > >ox
> > > > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> > > > by: bo
> > > > bbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > > suggested
> > > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
> > > >
> > > > 4000x
> > > >
> > > > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > > Phatbox.
> > > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > > since
> > > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone out there
> > > > with
> > > > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> > > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original me
> > > > ssage
> > > > --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X
> > > > -List
> > > >message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > > need*
> > > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > > coding
> > > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> > > > The
> > > > links are for reference only and you might find
> > > > you n
> > > > eed to interpolate a
> > > > little
> > > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >
> > > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > > >
> > > > ;
> > > >g
> > > > t;
> > > > ;
> > > > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > > different.
> > > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >
> > > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> > > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> > > >
> > > > Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > > t;
> > > >
> > > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > > when:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > > connections
> > > > are th
> > > > e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> > > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > > have
> > > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >
> > > > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
> > > > PhatBox connector.
> > > >
> > > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > > >
> > > > work <
> > > >BR> with any multi-device conf
> > > > igurat
> > > > ions.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > > > arbitration during device initializatio
> > > > n. Wit
> > > > hout the pull-down the signal
> > > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> > > > the
> > > > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >
> > > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> > > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > > > to
> > > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mike"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > &
> > > >gt;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > gt; R
> > > >
> > > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > > suggested
> > > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
> > > > 4000x
> > > > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > > > Phatbox.
> > > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>
> >
> > R>
> > > > since
> > > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> > > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> > > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt
> > > > BR
> > > > ; Drall
> > > > e dralle@matronics.com
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > > information
> > > > on how
> > > > the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > > need*
> > > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > > coding
> > > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> > > > The
> > > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> > > > little
> > > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >
> > > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What P
> > > > hatbox Said:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.m
> > > > atroni
> > > > cs.com/xdp
> > > > 4000x/
> > > > >
> > > > ;
> > > > SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > > different.
> > > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >
> > > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> > > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> > > >
> > > > Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > > >
> > > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > > connections
> > > > are th
> > > > e same but the colors
> > > > are di
> > > >fferent. You want to connect a
> > > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > > have
> > > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > > > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >
> > > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > > y conn
> > > > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > > PhatBox connector.
> > > >
> > > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > > > work
> > > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is us
> > > > ed for
> > > >
> > > > arbitration during device i
> > > > nitial
> > > > ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> > > > the
> > > > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >
> > > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> > > > sho
> > > > uld th
> > > > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mike"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BR
> > > > ;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermor
> > > > e | CA
> > > > | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > gt; g
> > > > t;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ==================================================================
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > > t;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > R>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> > > > the
> > > > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> > > > themodification
> > > > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> > > > for
> > > > me
> > > > wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> > > > not wo
> > > > rking:
> > > >
> > > > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
> > > > job
> > > > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> in
> > > > the
> > > > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > > > because
> > > > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update
> > > > ? Im n
> > > >ot
> > > > sure
> > > > if
> > > > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > > > directly
> > > > connected to the head unit?
> > > >
> > > > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > > > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
> > > >
> > > > gt; g
> > > > t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > > > whenever
> > > > it's
> > > >
> > > > &
> > > >gt; plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> > > > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> > > > he Son
> > > > y Phatbox firmware?
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister ins
> > > > talled
> > > > as
> > > > suggested
> > > > and
> > > > the pr
> > > > oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > > > 4000x
> > > > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > > Phatbox.
> > > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > > since
> > > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> > > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> > > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > > >
> > > > ;
> > > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> > > > ue. Be
> > > > low are two links to some
> > > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > > need*
> > > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > > coding
> > > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> > > > The
> > > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> > > > little
> > > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > &
> > > >gt; Wha
> > > > t Matt
> > > > Found on his cable:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >
> > > > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > > different.
> > > > Use the drawing that m
> > > > atches
> > > > best your installation.
> > > >
> > > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> > > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > ;
> > > > Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For reference, here is a message
> > > > from M
> > > > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > > >
> > > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > > > a
> > > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > > have
> > > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >
> > > > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> > > > can b
> > > > e seen on the
> > > > PhatBox connector.
> > > >
> > > > An unmodified cable should work when dir
> > > > ectly
> > > >connected to a head unit.
> > > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > > > work
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> > > > the
> > > > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >
> > > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> > > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > > > &g
> > > > t; >
> > > >; to
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mike"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Drall
> > > > e | Ma
> > > > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > > suggested
> > > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
> > > >
> > > > &
> > > >gt; 4000x
> > > > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > > > Phatbox.
> > > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > > since
> > > > there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> > > > ation.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> > > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > > > I'm
> > > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >
> > > > <
> > > >BR> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > > need*
> > > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > > coding
> > > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
> > > > le you
> > > > have.
> > > > The
> > > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> > > > little
> > > > with respect to colors and pin
> > > > numbe
> > > > rs and what not:
> > > >
> > > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > > ;
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >
> > > > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.m
> > > > atroni
> > > > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > > different.
> > > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >
> > > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> > > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> > > > ough P
> > > > hatManager).
> > > >
> > > > Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > &g
> > > >t; Fo
> > > > r refe
> > > > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > > >
> > > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > > > a
> > > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > > have
> > > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >
> > > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > > y conn
> > > > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > > PhatBox connector.
> > > >
> > > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with
> > > > simpl
> > > >e multi-device
> > > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> > > > 6.00 a
> > > > nd an unmodified cable will
> > > > work
> > > >
> > > > gt; g
> > > > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> > > > the
> > > > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >
> > > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> > > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > > > to
> > > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He
> > > > would
> > > >know best about using the C90.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mike"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BR
> > > > ;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> > > > BR
> > > > ; 94551
> > > >
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ==================================================================
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Live
> > > > rmore
> > > >| CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > > > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
> > > > there,
> > > > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> > > >
> > > > p
> > > > l
> > > > ugged
> > > > in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> > > > Phatbox
> > > > is plugged in... I just don't know
> > > > what
> > > >to do...
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > > suggested
> > > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
> > > > 4000x
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > > t; powers down, the system reset
> > > > s and
> > > >the C90 only communicates with the
> > > > Phatbox.
> > > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> > > > s inst
> > > > ead of 4.7k since
> > > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone out there
> > > > with
> > > > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> > > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > <
> > > > BR>>
> > > >; Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > > information on ho
> > > > w the
> > > > Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > > need*
> > > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > > coding
> > > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> > > > The
> > > > links are
> > > > for re
> > > > ference only and you might find
> > > > you n
> > > > eed to interpolate a
> > > > little
> > > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >
> > > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >>
> > > > ;
> > > >
> > > > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > > different.
> > > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > > using
> > > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> > > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> > > >
> > > > Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > > t;
> > > >
> > > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoi
> > > > se way
> > > > back when:
> > > >
> > > > gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> > > > The
> > > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > > > a
> > > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > > have
> > > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >
> > > > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
> > > > PhatBox
> > > > conne
> > > > ctor.
> > > >
> > > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
> > > > unmod
> > > >ified cable will
> > > > work
> > > > with any multi-device conf
> > > > igurat
> > > > ions.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > > stays
> > > > high
> > > > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > > > the
> > > > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >
> > > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> > > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > > > to
> > > > Matt regarding pushing reset.
> > > > He wo
> > > > uld know best about using the C90.
> > > > &g
> > > > t;
> > > >> Regards,
> > > > Mike"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > > suggested
> > > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
> > > > 4000x
> > > > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> > > > ommuni
> > > > cates with the Ph
> > > > atbox.
> > > >
> > > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > > since
> > > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >
> > > > BR
> > > > ; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > > > to
> > > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> > > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt
> > > > Drall
> > > > e dralle@matronics.com
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > ; Okay
> > > >, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > > need*
> > > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > > coding
> > > >
> > > > BR
> > > > ; and what not might be different depending on
> > > > the ve
> > > > rsion of cable you have.
> > > > The
> > > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> > > > little
> > > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >
> > > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >
> > > > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >&
> > > > gt; &g
> > > >t;
> > > > http://www.m
> > > > atroni
> > > > cs.com/xdp
> > > > 4000x/
> > > > SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > > different.
> > > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >
> > > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> > > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> > > > are (u
> > > > pgradeable through PhatManager).
> > > >
> > > > Matt Drall
> > > > e
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Wo
> > > > o at P
> > > >hatnoise way back when:
> > > >
> > > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > > > a
> > > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > > have
> > > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > > > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >
> > > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > > y conn
> > > > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > > PhatBox connector.
> > > >
> > > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > > c
> > > > onfigu
> > > >
> > > > ra
> > > >tions. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > > > work
> > > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > > > t is a
> > > > n input. It is used for
> > > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> > > > the
> > > > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >
> > > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> > > > sho
> > > > uld th
> > > > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > > <
> > > > BR>>
> > > >; Regards,
> > > > Mike"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BR
> > > > ;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G
> > > > Dralle
> > > > | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ==================================================================
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-100
> > > > 1 V |
> > > >925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > > t;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > matron
> > > > ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
> > > > A | 94
> > > > 551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > QUOTE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > &
> > > >gt;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
> > > short
> > > > of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then
> from
> > > > itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's
a
> > > list
> > > > of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
> > > >
> > > > Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB
> powers
> > up
> > > > fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
> > > > XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
C
> > > > 30: PB
> > > >
> > > > powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees
> the
> > > PB.
> > > > XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
> C30,
> > > > Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x
> and
> > > > Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> > > > XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
> C30,
> > > > XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x
and
> > XM
> > > > Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> > > > XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input
> of
> > > > XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
> > > disappear,
> > > > C90 only sees the PB.
> > > >
> > > > Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected
> into
> > > the
> > > > system without the PB.
> > > >
> > > > Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbo
> > > > x is s
> > > >hut down
> > > > and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both
> > > > sidesbesides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't
> > learn
> > > a
> > > > thing from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
> > problem
> > > > is...lol
> > > >
> > > > Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your
> system,
> > > > but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm
> going
> > to
> > > > have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset
> line
> > > > cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original
> > PBcable
> > > > from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than
it
> > was
> > > > made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has
> > been
> > > > made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables
> that
> > > were
> > > > made before the modification was put in place.
> > > >
> > > >&g
> > > > t; >
> > > >;I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I
> finished
> > > > all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've
> been!
> > > > Ahhhh!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
> > > > resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment.
> Well,
> > > > unless you miss wire something... :-)
> > > >
> > > > The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger
> slave
> > > on
> > > > the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
> > has
> > > > a
> > > > class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
> > > some
> > > > examples: > > R>
> > > >
> > > > CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
> > > > MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> > > > Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> > > > Processors: 210, 4000x
> > > > , inte
> > > > rnal Bass/Treble
> > > >
> > > > On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for
> each
> > > > device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
> > "I'm
> > > > Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> > > > particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
> > > > (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
> > > >
> > > > An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
> > > > powered
> > > > up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
> > > > device) from the last time it started, it w
> > > > ill re
> > > >set the bus (both a protocol
> > > > sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
> > > address
> > > > negotiation.
> > > >
> > > > The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
> > > The
> > > > closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
> > > > asical
> > > > ly what
> > > > happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
> > > > connectivity
> > > > to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the
HU.
> > On
> > > > the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
> > stream,
> > > > so
> > > > negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
> > > >
> > > > The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
> > > > Changer
> > > > class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
> > > into
> > > > the HU or is on Port 1 of th
> > > > e firs
> > > >t XA-C30 in the chain.
> > > >
> > > > That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
> > the
> > > > 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
> > > wanted
> > > > to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a
> while
> > > > to
> > > > figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> > > > addressing that way, but I didn't really g
> > > > et an
> > > > answer back. I've written an
> > > > embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
> > > > microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
> > > > compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
> > > > surly
> > > > Phatbox could.
> > > >
> > > > If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here
> on
> > > my
> > > > two installations to see if the
> > > > probl
> > > >em is the Phatbox or something else.
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
> tried
> > > > using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
> I
> > > > did
> > > > not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> > > >
> > > > So you don't think the reset line in yo
> > > > ur dia
> > > > gram or a higher value resistor
> > > > could be the problem, huh?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my insta
> > > > llatio
> > > >ns, I am plugging
> > > > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> > > > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> > > > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
but
> I
> > > > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you
a
> > > > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
> > > > rote:
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> the
> > > > only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> > > > modification
> > > > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> > for
> > > > me wrote after I
> > > > contac
> > > >ted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > > > working:
> > > >
> > > > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
> > > > job
> > > > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> in
> > > > the
> > > > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > > > because
> > > > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> > sure
> > > > i
> > > > f that
> > > > would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > > > directly connected to the head unit?
> > > >
> > > > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes, a
> > > >nd I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > > > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
> > > > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > > > whenever
> > > > it's
> > > > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > > controlled since it
> > > > is pl
> > > > ugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> > > > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: b
> > > > obbybr
> > > >aun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > >
> > > > sugge
> > > > sted
> > > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > > > my
> > > > 4000x
> > > > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > > Phatbox.
> > > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > > since
> > > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > > > willing
> > > > to
> > > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > > someone
> > > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > > > I'm
> > > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > >t; g
> > > > t;
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > > > some
> > > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > > > *will
> > > > need*
> > > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> > > > color
> > > > coding
> > > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > > > have.
> > > > The
> > > >
> > > > gt; g
> > > > t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > > > interpolate
> > > > a
> > > > little
> > > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >
> > > > What Matt Found on his ca
> > > > ble: <
> > > >BR>
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >
> > > > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > > different.
> > > >
> > > > gt; Us
> > > > e the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >
> > > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > > using
> > > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > > xdp-4000x.
> > > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > > PhatManager).
> > > >
> > > > Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > > when:
> > > >
> > > > "We changed cable ma
> > > > nufact
> > > >urers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > > g
> > > > t;
> > > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > > connect
> > > > a
> > > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> > > > I
> > > > have
> > > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >
> > > > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> > > > on
> > > > the
> > > > PhatBox connector.
> > > >
> > > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > > > unit.
> > > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > > co
> > > > nfigur
> > > > ations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > > > will
> > > > work
> > > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >
> > > >&
> > > >gt;
> > > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > > > for
> > > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > > signal
> > > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > > > when
> > > > is
> > > > the
> > > > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >
> > > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > > PhatBox
> > > > should the
> > > > n forc
> > > > e a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > > > listen
> > > > to
> > > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mike"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606
> > > > -6281
> > > >F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BR
> > > >
> > > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > > suggested
> > > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > > > my
> > > > 4000x
> > > > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > > > Phatbox.
> > > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > > since
> > > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > > > willing
> > > > to
> > > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > > so
> > > > meone
> > > >
> > > > woul
> > > > dn't m
> > > >ind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > > > I'm
> > > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > > > some
> > > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > > > *will
> > > > need*
> > > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > >
> > > > ;
> > > > coding
> > > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > > > have.
> > > > The
> > > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > > > interpolate a
> > > > little
> > > > >
> > > > ; with
> > > > respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >
> > > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >
> > > > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.m
> > > > atroni
> > > > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >
> > > > ;
> > > >
> > > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > > different.
> > > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >
> > > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > > using
> > > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > > xdp-4000x.
> > > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > > PhatManager).
> > > >
> > > > Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Fo
> > > > r refe
> > > >rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > > when:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > > connect a
> > > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> > > > I
> > > > have
> > > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >
> > > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > > y conn
> > > > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > > PhatBox connector.
> > > >
> > > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > > > unit.
> > > >
> > > > Firmw
> > > > are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
> > > > unmod
> > > >ified cable
> > > > will
> > > > work
> > > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > > > for
> > > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > > signal
> > > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > > > when
> > > > is
> > > > the
> > > > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >
> > > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > > t; PhatBox
> > > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > > > listen
> > > > to
> > > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mike"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BR
> > > > ;
> > > > &
> > > > gt; > >R>
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > > t;
> > > > ;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ==================================================================
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > > > afterwards, all to no avail. So f
> > > > rustra
> > > > ting, the C9
> > > > 0 know
> > > >s the Phatbox is
> > > > there,
> > > > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> > > > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> > > > Phatbox
> > > > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 0
> > > > 7:27 P
> > > > M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> > > > as
> > > >> suggested
> > > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
> > > > 4000x
> > > > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > > Phatbox.
> > > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > > since
> > > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone out there
> > > > with
> > > > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB t
> > > > hat > > R someone
> > > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dra
> > > > lle > >R>
> > > >
> > > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > > need*
> > > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > > coding
> > > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > > > have.
> > > > The
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > gt; links are for reference only and you might find
> > > > you n
> > > > eed to interpolate a
> > > > little
> > > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >
> > > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >
> > > > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > > different.
> > > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >
> > > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
> > > > If yo
> > > > u are using
> > > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > > xdp-4000x.
> > > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > > PhatManager).
> > > >
> > > > Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > > t;
> > > >
> > > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > > >
> > > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > > > a
> > > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > > >
> > > > ; have
> > > >
> > > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > > (So
> > > > nyCabl
> > > > e5.pdf).
> > > >
> > > > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
> > > > PhatBox connector.
> > > >
> > > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > > > work
> > > > with any multi-device conf
> > > > igurat
> > > > ions.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > gt; is
> > > > >
> > > > ; the
> > > >
> > > > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >
> > > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > > PhatBox
> > > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > > > to
> > > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mike"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
> > > > Produc
> > > > ts For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > > suggested
> > > > and the problem is still t
> > > > here..
> > > >. as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > > > 4000x
> > > > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > > > Phatbox.
> > > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > > since
> > > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > > > to
> > > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > > > someone
> > > >
> > > > wouldn
> > > > 't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt
> > > > Drall
> > > > e dralle@matronics.com
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > <
> > > >BR> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > > need*
> > > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > > coding
> > > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > > > have.
> > > > g
> > > > t;
> > > > The
> > > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> > > > little
> > > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >
> > > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >
> > > > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.m
> > > > atroni
> > > > cs.com/xdp
> > > > 4000x/
> > > > SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > > different.
> > > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >
> > > > ;
> > > >
> > > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > > xdp-4000x.
> > > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > > PhatManager).
> > > >
> > > > Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > > >
> > > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > > > a
> > > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > > have
> > > >
> > > > attach
> > > >ed a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > > >
> > > > ;
> > > > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >
> > > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > > y conn
> > > > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > > PhatBox connector.
> > > >
> > > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > > > work
> > > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the
> > > > PhatB
> > > > ox has trouble knowing when
> > > > is
> > > > the
> > > >
> > > > right
> > > >time to initialize itself.
> > > >
> > > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > > PhatBox
> > > > sho
> > > > uld th
> > > > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mike"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BR
> > > > ;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >
> > > > ;
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ==================================================================
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > > t;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What do you know abou
> > > > t the
> > > > reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> > > > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> > > > themodification
> > > > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> > for
> > > > me
> > > > wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > > > working:
> > > >
> > > > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
> > > > job
> > > > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing w
> > > > as tha
> > > >t in
> > > > the
> > > > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > > > because
> > > > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> > sure
> > > > if
> > > > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > > > directly
> > > > connected to the head unit?
> > > >
> > > > ;
> > > >
> > > > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > > > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
> > > > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whe
> > > > never
> > > >
> > > > it's
> > > > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> > > > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > > >
> > > > -
> > > > ------
> > > > ------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> > > > he Son
> > > > y Phatbox firmware?
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > > suggested
> > > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > > > my > >R> 4000x
> > > > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > > Phatbox.
> > > >
> > > > Still
> > > > wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > > since
> > > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> > > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> > > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > > >
> > > > ;
> > > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > >
> > > >&g
> > > >t; g
> > > > t; inf
> > > > ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > > need*
> > > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > > coding
> > > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> > > > The
> > > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> > > > little
> > > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >
> > > > Wha
> > > > t Matt
> > > > Found on his cable:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >
> > > > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > > different.
> > > > >
> > > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >
> > > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> > > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> > > >
> > > > Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For reference, here is a message
> > > > from M
> > > > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > > >
> > > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > > > a
> > > > g
> > > > t;
> > > > ; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> > > > have
> > > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >&g
> > > > t; >
> > > >;
> > > > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
> > > > PhatBox connector.
> > > >
> > > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > > > work
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > > >
> > > > a
> > > > rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> > > > the
> > > > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >
> > > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> > > > >
> > > > ; shou
> > > >ld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > > > to
> > > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mike"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Drall
> > > > e | Ma
> > > > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle
> > > > @matro
> > > > nics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > > suggested
> > > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
> > > > 4000x
> > > > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > > > Phatbox.
> > > > &
> > > > gt; St
> > > >ill wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > > since
> > > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> > > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> > > >
> > > > BR
> > > > ;
> > > >
> > > > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > > > I'm
> > > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > >
> > > > &
> > > >gt; need*
> > > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > > coding
> > > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> > > > The
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > > t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> > > > little
> > > > with respect to colors and pin
> > > > numbe
> > > > rs and what not:
> > > >
> > > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >
> > > > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.m
> > > > atroni
> > > > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > > different.
> > > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Are y
> > > >ou using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> > > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> > > >
> > > > Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Fo
> > > > r refe
> > > > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > > >
> > > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > > > a
> > > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > > have
> > > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >
> > > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >&g
> > > > t; >
> > > >;gt; y conn
> > > > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > > PhatBox connector.
> > > >
> > > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > > > work
> > > >
> > > > gt; g
> > > > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> > > > the
> > > > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >
> > > > ;
> > > >
> > > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> > > > should then force a r
> > > > eset a
> > > >fter a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > > > to
> > > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mike"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BR
> > > > ;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> > > > 94551
> > > >
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ==========================================
> > > > ======
> > > > ==================
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics
> > > > .com/
> > > >WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > > > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
> > > > there,
> > > > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> > > > pl
> > > > ugged
> > > > in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > >
> > > > gt; g
> > > > t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
> the
> > > > Phatbox
> > > > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > Are you running the 7.0 version of
> > > > the S
> > > >ony Phatbox firmware?
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > > suggested
> > > > and the problem is still there... as soo
> > > > n as t
> > > > he Phatbox is plugged in my
> > > > 4000x
> > > > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > > Phatbox.
> > > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> > > > s inst
> > > > ead of 4.7k since
> > > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone out there
> > > > with
> > > > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -
> > > > - XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > > need*
> > > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > > coding
> > > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> > > > The
> > > > links are
> > > > for re
> > > > ference only and you might find
> > > > you n
> > > > eed to interpolate a
> > > > little
> > > > with respect to colors and
> > > > pin nu
> > > >mbers and what not:
> > > >
> > > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.c
> > > > om/xdp
> > > > 4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >
> > > > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > > different.
> > > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >
> > > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> > > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> > > >
> > > > Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > > t;
> > > >
> > > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > >>
> > > > ;
> > > > when:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> > > > The
> > > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > > > a
> > > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > > have
> > > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >
> > > > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
> > > > PhatBox connector.
> > > >
> > > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > > > wor
> > > > k
> > > >
> > > > with any multi-device conf
> > > > igurat
> > > > io
> > > > ns. > >R>
> > > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > > stays
> > > > high
> > > > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > > > the
> > > > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >
> > > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> > > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > > > to
> > > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mike"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > > t;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > > suggested
> > > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
> > > > 4000x
> > > > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> > > > ommuni
> > > > cates with the Phatbox.
> > > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > >
> > > > s
> > > > ince
> > > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> > > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> > > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > > >
> > > > r
> > > >unning out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt
> > > > Drall
> > > > e dralle@matronics.com
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > > > *will
> > > >
> > > > need*
> > > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > > coding
> > > >
> > > > BR
> > > > ; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > > > have.
> > > > The
> > > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> > > > little
> > > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >
> > > > &
> > > > gt; Wh
> > > >at Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >
> > > > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.m
> > > > atroni
> > > > cs.com/xdp
> > > > 4000x/
> > > > SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > > t;
> > > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > > different.
> > > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >
> > > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> > > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> > > >
> > > > Matt Drall
> > > > e
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise wa
> > > > y back
> > > > when:
> > > >
> > > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > gt; a
> > > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > > have
> > > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > > > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >
> > > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > > y conn
> > > > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > > PhatBox connector.
> > > >
> > > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > > > work
> > > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >
> > > >&g
> > > > t; >
> > > >; The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > > > t is a
> > > >
> > > > ;
> > > > n input. It is used for
> > > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> > > > the
> > > > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >
> > > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> > > > sho
> > > > uld th
> > > > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mike"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BR
> > > > ;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > > t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-60
> > > > 6-6281
> > > > F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ==================================================================
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > > t;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > matron
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V |
> > > > 925-60
> > > >6-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
> tried
> > > > using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
> I
> > > > did
> > > > not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> > > >
> > > > So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
> resistor
> > > > could be the problem, huh?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt
> > > > Drall
> > > > e dralle@matronics.com
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> > plugging
> > > > &g
> > > > t; the
> > > > Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> > > > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> > > > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
but
> I
> > > > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you
a
> > > > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > What do you kn
> > > > ow abo
> > > > ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> > > >
> > > > o
> > > > nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> > > > modification
> > > > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> > for
> > > > me wrote after I contac
> > > > ted hi
> > > >m the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > > > working:
> > > >
> > > > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
> > > > job
> > > > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> in
> > > > the
> > > > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > > > because
> > > > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> > sure
> > > > if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > > > directly connected to the head unit?
> > > >
> > > > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message -----------
> > > >
> > > > gt; g
> > > > t; --- > > R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >>
> > > > ;
> > > >
> > > > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > > > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
> > > > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> > > > it's
> > > > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> > > > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > Are you running the 7.0 version
> > > > of the
> > > > Sony Phatbox firmware? > > R
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > > -- XDP4
> > > > 000X-L
> > > >ist message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > > suggested
> > > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
> > > > 4000x
> > > > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > > Phatbox.
> > > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > > since
> > > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > > > to
> > > >
> > > > gt;
> > > > ; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
> > > > able d
> > > > irect from the factory? I'm
> > > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >
> > > >&g
> > > > t; >
> > > >; -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > > > *will
> > > > need*
> > > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > > coding
> > > > and what
> > > > not mi
> > > > ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> > > > have.
> > > > The
> > > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > > > a
> > > > little
> > > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >
> > > > What Mat
> > > > t Foun
> > > > d on his cable:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/U
> > > > nilink
> > > >-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >
> > > > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > > different.
> > > > Use the drawing that matches best your in
> > > > stalla
> > > > tion.
> > > >
> > > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > > > using
> > > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > > xdp-4000x.
> > > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > > PhatManager).
> > > >
> > > > Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > > when:
> > > >
> > > > "We changed
> > > > cable
> > > > manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > >
> > > >&g
> > > >t; connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > > connect
> > > > a
> > > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> > > > orang
> > > > e (ground) wires. I
> > > > have
> > > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >
> > > > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> > > > the
> > > > PhatBox connector.
> > > >
> > > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > > > will
> > > > work
> > > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > > > t is a
> > > > n input. It is used <
> > > > BR>>
> > > >; for
> > > > g
> > > > t;
> > > > ; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > > signal
> > > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > > > is
> > > > the
> > > > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >
> > > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > > PhatBox
> > > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > > > listen
> > > > to
> > > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mike"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > gt; Ma
> > > > tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
> > > > il
> > > > h
> > > > ttp://
> > > >www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > > suggested
> > > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
> > > > 4000x
> > > > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > > > Phatbox.
> > > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > > since
> > > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > gt; g
> > > > t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > > > to
> > > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> > > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > > >
> > > > runnin
> > > >>
> > > > ;
> > > >g out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > > need*
> > > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
> > > > wire.
> > > > Note the color
> > > > coding
> > > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > > > have.
> > > > The
> > > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> > > > little
> > > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >
> > > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >
> > > > http:
> > > > /
> > > >
> > > > /www.m
> > > > atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >
> > > > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.m
> > > > atroni
> > > > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > > d
> > > > iffere
> > > > nt.
> > > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >
> > > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > > > xdp-4000x.
> > > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > > > PhatManager).
> > > >
> > > > Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > > > when:
> > > >
> > > > "We changed cable man
> > > > ufactu
> > > >rers since Matt purchased
> > > > his s
> > > > ystem. The
> > > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > > > connect a
> > > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> > > > orang
> > > > e (ground) wires. I
> > > > have
> > > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >
> > > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > > y conn
> > > > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > > PhatBox connector.
> > > >
> > > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > > > will
> > > > work
> > > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is with th
> > > > e bus
> > > >master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > a
> > > > rbitra
> > > > tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > > > signal
> > > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > > > is
> > > > the
> > > > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >
> > > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > > > PhatBox
> > > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > > > to
> > > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mike"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BR
> > > > ;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> > > > ore |
> > > > CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@
> > > > matron
> > > >ics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> > > > Aircra
> > > > ft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ==================================================================
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
> > > > a comp
> > > > lete system reset
> > > > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
> > > > there,
> > > > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> > > > plugged in. I find it
> > > > odd t
> > > >hat the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
> > > > shut d
> > > > own when the
> > > > Phatbox
> > > > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> > > > by: bo
> > > > bbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > > suggested
> > > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
> > > > 4000x
> > > > >
> > > > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > > Phatbox.
> > > > Still wondering if that resist
> > > > or sho
> > > > uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > > since
> > > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone out there
> > > > with
> > > > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> > > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original me
> > > > ssage
> > > > --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > >
> > > >&
> > > >gt; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> > > > need*
> > > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
> > > > Note
> > > > the color coding
> > > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> > > > The
> > > > links are for reference only and you might find
> > > > you n
> > > > eed to interpolate a
> > > > little
> > > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >
> > > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > > g
> > > > t;
> > > > ;
> > > > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > > different.
> > > > Use t
> > > > he dra
> > > >wing that matches best your installation.
> > > >
> > > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > > anything else, you are going to h
> > > > ave op
> > > > erational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> > > >
> > > > Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > > t;
> > > >
> > > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > > >
> > > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > > connections
> > > > are th
> > > > e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> > > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> > > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >
> > > > The
> > > > numbe
> > > >rs can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > > > PhatBox connector.
> > > >
> > > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > > Firmware
> > > > 5.00
> > > > and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > > > work
> > > > with any multi-device conf
> > > > igurat
> > > > ions.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > > > arbitration during device initializatio
> > > > n. Wit
> > > > hout the pull-down the signal
> > > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> > > > the
> > > > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >
> > > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> > > > &g
> > > > t; sho
> > > >uld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mike"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > > t;
> > > > ;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > gt; > > R
> > > >
> > > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > > suggested
> > > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
> > > > 4000x
> > > > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox
> > > > .
> > > >
> > > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > > since
> > > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> > > > pa
> > > > rt wit
> > > > h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt
> > > > BR
> > > > ; Drall
> > > > e dralle@matronics.com
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> <
> > > > BR>>
> > > >; need*
> > > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> > > > The
> > > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > gt; little
> > > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >
> > > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What P
> > > > hatbox Said:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.m
> > > > atroni
> > > > cs.com/xdp
> > > > 4000x/
> > > > SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > > different.
> > > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> > > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> > > >
> > > > Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BR
> > > > ; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
> > > >
> > > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > > connections
> > > > are th
> > > > e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> > > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> > > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > > > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >
> > > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > > y conn
> > > > ector. They c
> > > > an be
> > > >seen on the
> > > > PhatBox connector.
> > > >
> > > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > > > work
> > > > with any multi-devi
> > > > ce con
> > > > figurations.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > > > arbitration during device i
> > > > nitial
> > > > ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> > > > the
> > > > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >
> > > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> > > > sho
> > > > uld th
> > > > en force a reset after a few seconds. Ho
> > > > wever,
> > > > you should listen to
> > > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mike"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BR
> > > > ;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
> > > > Email
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > gt; g
> > > > t;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ==================================================================
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> > > > Aircr
> > > >aft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > > t;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> the
> > > > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> > > > themodification
> > > > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> > for
> > > >
> > > > ; me
> > > > BR wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> > > > not wo
> > > > rking:
> > > >
> > > > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
> > > > job
> > > > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> in
> > > > the
> > > > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > > > because
> > > > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware up
> > > > date?
> > > >Im not sure
> > > > if
> > > > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > > > directly
> > > > connected to the head unit?
> > > >
> > > > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > > t; Yes
> > > > , and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > > > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
> > > >
> > > > gt; g
> > > > t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > > whenever
> > > > it's
> > > > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x
> > > > which
> > > >is shut down when the
> > > > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> > > > he Son
> > > > y Phatbox firmware?
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
> > > > wrote
> > > > :
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > > suggested
> > > > and
> > > > the pr
> > > > oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > > > 4000x
> > > > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > > >
> > > > ; Phat
> > > >box.
> > > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > > since
> > > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> > > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> > > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > > >
> > > > ;
> > > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >
> > > > gt; > > R -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> > > > ue. Be
> > > > low are two links to some
> > > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *wil
> > > > l
> > > >
> > > > need*
> > > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > > coding
> > > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> > > > The
> > > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> > > > little
> > > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >
> > > > Wha
> > > > t Matt
> > > > Found on his cable:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > gt;
> > > > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > > different.
> > > > Use the drawing that m
> > > > atches
> > > > best your installation.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> > > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> > > >
> > > > Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For reference, here is a message
> > > > from M
> > > > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > > >
> > > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec
> > > > t
> > > >
> > > > a
> > > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > > > have
> > > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >
> > > > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> > > > can b > > R>
> > > > e seen on the
> > > > PhatBox connector.
> > > >
> > > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > > > work
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > > stays high (+5V) at
> > > > all ti
> > > > mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > > > the
> > > > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >
> > > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> > > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should li
> > > > sten <
> > > >BR> to
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mike"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Drall
> > > > e | Ma
> > > > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > >
> > > > sugge
> > > > sted
> > > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
> > > > 4000x
> > > > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k oh
> > > > ms ins
> > > >tead of 4.7k
> > > > since
> > > > there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> > > > ation.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> > > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > gt; > > R
> > > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > > need*
> > > > the 4.7k ohm resistor
> > > > betwe
> > > >en ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > > > coding
> > > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
> > > > le you
> > > > have.
> > > > The
> > > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> > > > little
> > > > with respect to colors and pin
> > > > numbe
> > > > rs and what not:
> > > >
> > > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >
> > > > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.m
> > > > atroni
> > > > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Depend
> > > > ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > > different.
> > > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >
> > > > Are you using version 7.0 Son
> > > > y firm
> > > >ware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> > > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> > > > ough P
> > > > hatManager).
> > > >
> > > > Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Fo
> > > > r refe
> > > > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > > >
> > > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> > > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> > > > attached a PDF with a detailed description
> > > > of the
> > > > connections
> > > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >
> > > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > > y conn
> > > > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > >&g
> > > > t; >
> > > >; PhatBox connector.
> > > >
> > > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> > > > 6.00 a
> > > > nd an unmodified cable will
> > > > work
> > > >
> > > > gt; g
> > > > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> > > > the
> > > > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > > t; Aft
> > > > er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, yo
> > > > u shou
> > > >ld listen to
> > > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mike"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BR
> > > > ;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> > > > BR
> > > > ; 94551
> > > >
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ==================================================================
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > >
> > > > ;
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Produ
> > > > cts Fo
> > > >r Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > > > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
> > > > there,
> > > > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> > > >
> > > > p
> > > > l
> > > > ugged
> > > > in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > > > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> > > > Phatbox
> > > > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message p
> > > > osted
> > > > by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > Are you running the 7.0 vers
> > > > ion of
> > > > the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > > >
> > > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > > suggested
> > > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
> > > > 4000x
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > > t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > > > Phatbox.
> > > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> > > > s inst
> > > > ead of 4.7k since
> > > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone out there
> > > > with
> > > > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
> > > > illing
> > > > to
> > > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bo
> > > > ttom o
> > > >f a Sony PB that someone
> > > > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > > information on ho
> > > > w the
> > > > Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > > need*
> > > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> > > > The
> > > > links are
> > > > for re
> > > > ference only and you might find
> > > > BR
> > > > ; you n
> > > > eed
> > > > to int
> > > >erpolate a
> > > > little
> > > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > > >
> > > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >
> > > > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > > different.
> > > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> > > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> > > >
> > > > Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > > t;
> > > >
> > > >&g
> > > >t;
> > > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > > >
> > > > gt; > > R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> > The
> > > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> > > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> > > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > > > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >
> > > > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
> > > > PhatBox
> > > > conne
> > > > ctor.
> > > >
> > > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > > > work
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >&
> > > >gt; with any multi-device conf
> > > > igurat
> > > > ions.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > > stays
> > > > high
> > > > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > > > the
> > > > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >
> > > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> > > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> > > > Matt regarding pushing reset.
> > > > He wo
> > > > uld know best about using the C90.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mike"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001
> > > > V | 92
> > > >5-6
> > > > 06-628
> > > > 1 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > > > suggested
> > > > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
> > > > 4000x
> > > > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> > > > ommuni
> > > > cates with the Phatbox.
> > > > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > > > since
> > > > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > > >
> > > > BR
> > > > ; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > to
> > > > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> > > > wouldn'
> > > > t mind
> > > > me using to get myself a
> > > > cable
> > > > direct from the factory? I'm
> > > > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Matt
> > > > Drall
> > > > e dralle@matronics.com
> > > >
> > > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > > > need*
> > > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > > >
> > > > BR
> > > > ; and what not might be different depending on
> > > > the ve
> > > > rsion of cable you have.
> > > > The
> > > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> > > >
> > > > littl
> > > >e
> > > > with respect to colors and pin numbers
> > > > and w
> > > > hat not:
> > > >
> > > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > > >
> > > > What Phatbox Said:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.m
> > > > atroni
> > > > cs.com/xdp
> > > > 4000x/
> > > > SonyCable5.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > > > different.
> > > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > > >
> > > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> > > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> > > > are (u
> > > > pgradeable through PhatManager).
> > > >
> > > > Matt Drall
> > > >
> > > > e
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For reference, here is a messag
> > > > e from
> > > > Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > > >
> > > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> > > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> > > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > > > ons > > R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > > >
> > > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > > y conn
> > > > ector. They can be seen on the
> > > > PhatBox connector.
> > > >
> > > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > > c
> > > > onfigu
> > > > rations. I'm not sure if fi
> > > > rmware
> > > > 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > > > work
> > > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > > >
> > > > ;
> > > >
> > > > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > > > t is a
> > > > n input. It is used for
> > > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> > > > the
> > > > right time to initialize itself.
> > > >
> > > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> > > > sho
> > > > uld th
> > > > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mike"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BR
> > > > ;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > > G
> > > >
> > > > Dralle
> > > > | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.c
> > > > om Ema
> > > > il
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ==================================================================
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > > t;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > matron
> > > > ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >&g
> > > > t; >
> > > >;
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
> > > > A | 94
> > > > 551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.co
> > > > m Emai
> > > > l
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > QUOTE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ist/se
> > > > arch
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > >&g
> > > > t; htt
> > > >p://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Yes, I've thought about all that already, but here is the thing, I can't get
> any
> > audio to be recognized by the 4000x through it's Analog Changer Inputs. The
> only
> > reason I know it sounds bad is because I hooked a set of headphones up to the
> > phatbox to test if any audio was present and when I listened it sounded
> > horrible, (if not mono). I listened to the same exact mp3 file that was being
> > played on the PB back inside on my computer through the same headset using
the
> > crappy non 24bit burr brown outputs of my laptop and it sounded 1000x more
> full
> > and realistic, so that worries me. And the fact that I can't get any audio
to
> > play back when plugged into the analog changer inputs worries me even more,
I
> > really hope this thing didn't somehow damage my 4000x, there is no way I want
> to
> > send it off to Sony and let them hack away at it like they did with my last
> C90
> > I sent them...
> >
> > I have done a full reset from the C90 and still nothing. I'll test out my
> other
> > equipment that I know was working beforehand tomorrow and then I'll know more,
> > but that still doesn't change the issue with the terrible sound output of the
> > PB.
> >
> > ------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Great news!
> >
> > Couple of things come to mind with respect to your new audio woes. Digital
vs
> > Analog input on the 4000x is only negotiated on reset (button on C90), so with
> > all the plugging around, make sure that you set things up like you want, then
> > press that reset button.
> >
> > Second, the "tinny" sound might be because you've selected an unprogrammed
> > EQ/Xover setting on the 4000x. The default setting has some of the Xover
> > settings off or highly attenuated.
> >
> > Plug your PC back into the 4000x and double check all of your EQ and XO memory
> > locations, and then make sure you select the right ones on the HU.
> >
> > Almost there!
> >
> > Matt
> > <
> > BR>>
> > ;
> > At 08:13 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Ok, I went ahead and clipped the reset wire and now the PB actually works in
> my
> > system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my
> > processor is not accepting analog audio at the analog changer input any longer
> > (and it used to just fine)... I did test and there is audio at the outputs
of
> > the PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull
> highs.
> >
> > I threw my cd changer back in to see if my processor would accept analog audio
> > from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer
> > either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand since I always
> > used
> > the digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
> >
> > I have yet to try my
> > XM uni
> > t, which I know the analog outs used to work on
> > since those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in
my
> > system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late and
> I
> > don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
> >
> > So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially
> > convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said
> > before it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken
> > inside
> > of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check
> > everything out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > C
> > ut the
> > reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that
> > line
> > down and never letting anyone else init.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
> > short
> > of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
> > it
> > split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a list
> > of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
> >
> > Phatbox (PB) plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
> > up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
> >
> > &g
> > t; XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30:
> > PB
> > powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
> > PB.
> > XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> > Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> > Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> > XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> > XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
XM
> > Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> > XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
> > XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
> > disappear,
> > C90 only sees the PB.
> >
> > &g
> > t; >
> > ; Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
> > the
> > system without the PB.
> >
> > Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
> > down
> > and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both sides
> > besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a
> > thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
> > problem
> > is...lol
> >
> > Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
> > but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
> > to
> > have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
> > cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used b
> > ut fac
> > tory original PB
> > cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than
> > it
> > was made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has
> > been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables
> > that
> > were made before the modification was put in place.
> >
> > I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
> > all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
> > Ahhhh!
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Well, if you're handy with a soldering i
> > ron, I
> > would try both the higher
> > resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment.
> > Well,
> > unless you miss wire something... :-)
> >
> > The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger
> > slave
> > on
> > the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
> > has
> > a
> > class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
> > some
> > examples:
> >
> > CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
> > MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> > Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> > Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
> >
> > &
> > gt;
> > On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for
> > each
> > device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
> > "I'm
> > Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> > particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
> > (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
> >
> > An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
> > powered
> > up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
> > device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
> > protocol
> > sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole ne
> > w bus
> >
> > address
> > negotiation.
> >
> > The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
> > The
> > closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
> > happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
> > connectivity
> > to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
> > On
> > the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
> > stream,
> > so
> > negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
> >
> > The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
> > Changer
> > class so you have to be really careful t
> > hat it
> > is either directly plugged
> > into
> > the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
> >
> > That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
> > the
> > 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
> > wanted
> > to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a
> > while
> > to
> > figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> > addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've written
> > an
> > embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
> > microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
> > compatible with
> > the m
> > aster/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
> > surly
> > Phatbox could.
> >
> > If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here
> > on
> > my
> > two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
> > tried
> > using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
> > I
> > did
> > not try it with it instal
> > led ho
> > wever so I'll give it another try.
> >
> > So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
> > resistor
> > could be the problem, huh?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> > plugging
> > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
> > Phatbox
> > >
> > ; dire
> > ctly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
> > but
> > I
> > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you
> > a
> > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
> > is
> > the
> > only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> > modification
> > &
> > gt; &g
> > t; of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
> > unit
> > for
> > me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> > not
> > working:
> >
> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> > the
> > job
> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
> > that
> > in
> > the
> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > because
> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
> > not
> > sure
> > if that woul
> > d help
> > but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
> > when
> > directly connected to the head unit?
> >
> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> > reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
> > Phatbox
> > is
> > &g
> > t;
> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > whenever
> > it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
> > and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down
> > when
> > the
> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 v
> > ersion
> > of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
> > installed
> > as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
> > plugged
> > in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers
> > down,
> > the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
> > the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
> > of
> > 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
> > that
> > someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> > factory?
> > I'm
> > &g
> > t;
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
> > to
> > some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> > you
> > *will
> > nee
> > d*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note
> > the
> > color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of
> > cable
> > you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > interpolate
> > a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > &
> > gt;>
> > ;
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> > little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > A
> > re you
> > using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
> > are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with
> > the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> > back
> > when:
> >
> > &
> > gt; &g
> > t; "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> > system.
> > The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
> > to
> > connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> > wires.
> > I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
> > seen
> > &
> > gt;>
> > ; on
> > the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
> > head
> > unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> > multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> > cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master si
> > gnal.
> > It is an input. It
> > is
> > used
> > for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
> > the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
> > knowing
> > when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
> > The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few s
> > econds
> > . However, you
> > should
> > listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using
> > the
> > C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@ma
> > tronic
> > s.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
> > installed
> > as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
> > plugged
> > in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with
> > the <
> > BR>>
> > ; Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
> > of
> > 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
> > that
> > someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> > factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody hel
> > p?
> > >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
> > to
> > some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> > you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground
> > and th
> > e blue wire. Note the
> > color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of
> > cable
> > you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.
> > pdf > R>
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> > little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
> > are
> > using
> > &g
> > t; >
> > ; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> > back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> > The
> >
> > connec
> > tions are the same but the colors are different. You want
> > to
> > connect a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> > wires.
> > I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > &
> > gt; An
> > unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
> > head
> > unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> > multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> > cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> > used
> > for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
> > the
> > signal
> > &g
> > t; >
> > ; stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
> > knowing
> > when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
> > The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you
> > should
> > listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> > C90.
> >
> > &g
> > t; >
> > ; Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> > &g
> > t;
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> > &
> > gt; &g
> > t;
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> > reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
> > Phatbox
> > is
> > there,
> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> > it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
> > and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
> > the
> > Phatbox
> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> >
> > &g
> > t; -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> > as
> >
> > &
> > gt; suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> > in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
> > the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> > 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there
> > with
> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo
> > of the
> > bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> > factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> >
> > &g
> > t; need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> > color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> > you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find
> > you n
> > eed to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www
> > .matro
> > nics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> > little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > &
> > gt;>
> > ; Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> > wires. I
> > >
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> > on
> > the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> > cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi
> > -devic
> > e conf
> > igurat
> > ions.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> > used
> > for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a
> > reset
> > after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> > C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> >
> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Fea
> > turing
> > Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> > as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> > in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> > 4.7k
> > since
> > there seeme
> > d to b
> > e a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> > factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > Drall
> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > >
> > ;
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> > color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> > you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > interpolate
> > &g
> > t; a <
> > BR> little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp
> > 4000x/
> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you ha
> > ve, th
> > ings might be a
> > little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > wh
> > en: > R>
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> > wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> > &
> > gt; &g
> > t;
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> > cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> > used
> > for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble kn
> > owing
> >
> > when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > sho
> > uld th
> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> > C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > >
> > ;
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > &g
> > t;
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
> > is
> > the
> > only other difference shown in your diagramth
> > at was
> > n't done in
> > themodification
> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
> > unit
> > for
> > me
> > wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > working:
> >
> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> > the
> > job
> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
> > that
> > in
> > the
> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > because
> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
> >
> > &g
> > t; not
> > sure
> > if
> > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > directly
> > connected to the head unit?
> >
> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> > reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustra
> > ting,
> > the C90 knows the
> > Phatbox
> > is
> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > whenever
> > it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
> > and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> > the
> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are yo
> > u runn
> > ing the 7.0 version of t
> > he Son
> > y Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> > in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > >
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> > 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> >
> > ;
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > &
> > gt; &g
> > t; -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> > color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> >
> > &g
> > t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > interpolate
> > a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > Wha
> > t Matt
> > Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little <
> > BR>>
> > ; different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message
> > from M
> > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > &g
> > t; >
> > ;
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> > I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> > on
> > the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly
> > conne
> > cted to a head
> > unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> >
> > g
> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > when
> > is
> > the
> > >
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Drall
> > e | Ma
> > >
> > ;
> > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> > in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> >
> > &
> > gt; Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> > 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> >
> >
> > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> > factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original messa
> > ge ---
> > -----------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> > color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> >
> >
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > interpolate
> > a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin
> > numbe
> > rs and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depen
> > ding o
> > n what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Fo
> > r refe
> > rence, here is a message from Mik
> > e Woo
> > at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> > I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > &
> > gt;
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> >
> > gt; g
> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatB
> > ox has
> > trouble knowing
> > when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> > >
> > ;
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> > 94551
> >
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matroni
> > cs | P
> > O Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> > reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
> > Phatbox
> > is
> > there,
> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> > it's
> > pl
> > ugged
> > &g
> > t;
> > in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
> > the
> > Phatbox
> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > <
> > BR> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> > in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> > s inst
> > ead of 4.7k since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of inf
> > ormati
> > on.
> >
> > Anyone out there
> > with
> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > &
> > gt;
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> > color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are
> > for re
> > ference only and you might find
> > you n
> > eed to interpolate a
> > little
> > >
> > ;
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your P
> > hatbox
> > ? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> > system.
> > The
> > connections are the same
> > but th
> > e colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> > I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> > on
> > the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not s
> > ure if
> > firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device conf
> > igurat
> > ions.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays
> > high
> > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the Ph
> > atBox
> > is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> >
> >
> > &
> > gt; gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> > in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> > ommuni
> > cates with the Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> > 4.7k
> > &g
> > t; sin
> > ce
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > Drall
> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > &
> > gt; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> > color
> > coding
> >
> > BR
> > ; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> > you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to <
> > BR>>
> > ; interpolate
> > a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp
> > 4000x/
> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >
> > &g
> > t; different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Drall
> > e
> >
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > &
> > gt;
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> > I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > &g
> > t; >
> > ; An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > t is a
> > n input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > when
> > is
> > >
> > ;
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > sho
> > uld th
> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > &g
> > t;
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ;
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermo
> > re | C
> > A | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> >
> > matron
> > ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >
> > 9
> > 25-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
> > tried
> > using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
> > I
> > did
> > not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> >
> > So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
> > resistor
> > could be the problem, huh?
> >
> > -------------- Original message -------------
> > -
> >
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> > plugging
> > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
> > Phatbox
> > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
> > but
> > I
> > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you
> > a
> > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> >
> > Matt
> >
> > &
> > gt;
> >
> > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > What do you kn
> > ow abo
> > ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> > only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> > modification
> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
> > unit
> > for
> > me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > working:
> >
> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> > >
> > the
> > job
> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> > in
> > the
> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > because
> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> > sure
> > if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
> > when
> > directly connected to the head unit?
> >
> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> > -------------- Original message -----------
> > --- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> >
> > -- XD
> > P4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> > is
> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > whenever
> > it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> > the
> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > >
> > ; -- X
> > DP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version
> > of the
> > Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > &
> > gt; Ph
> > atbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > to
> >
> > gt;
> > ; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > ;
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what
> > not mi
> > ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > a
> > little
> > &g
> > t;
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your in
> > stalla
> > tion.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > >
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> > orang
> >
> > &
> > gt; e (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> > the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem
> > is wit
> > h the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > g
> > t;
> > ; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> > C90. <
> > BR>
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > gt; Ma
> > tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still
> > there.
> > .. as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> >
> > gt; g
> > t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > running ou
> > t of o
> > ptions here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
> > wire.
> > Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> >
> > &
> > gt; The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > d
> > iffere
> > >
> > ;
> > nt.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but t
> > he col
> > ors are different. You want to
> > connect a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> > orang
> > e (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.
> > 00 and
> > an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > a
> > rbitra
> > tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset aft
> > er a f
> > ew seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> > ore |
> > CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > &g
> > t;
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
> > a comp
> > lete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> >
> > is > R> there,
> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> > it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> > Phatbox
> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> > &g
> > t;
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> > by: bo
> > bbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> >
> > &
> > gt; Anyone out there
> > with
> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original me
> > ssage
> > --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > >
> > ;
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find
> > you n
> > eed to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > g
> > &
> > gt;>
> > ; t;
> > ;
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > &g
> > t; g
> > t;
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections
> > are th
> > e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> > the
> > PhatBox connector.
> > >
> > ;
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device conf
> > igurat
> > ions.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > arbitration during device initializatio
> > n. Wit
> > hout the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > is
> > the
> > &
> > gt;>
> > ; right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> >
> > gt; htt
> > p://ww
> > w.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> > gt; R
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare So
> > ny Pha
> > tbox cable they're willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > BR
> > ; Drall
> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-S
> > ony ca
> > bles are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> >
> > What P
> > hatbox Said:
> > &
> > gt; &g
> > t;
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp
> > 4000x/
> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> > &
> > gt; &g
> > t;
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections
> > are th
> > e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> >
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > arbitration during device i
> > nitial
> > ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > ;
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > sho
> > uld th
> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > R>
> >
> >
> > gt; g
> > t;
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> > &g
> > t; >
> > ;
> >
> >
> > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> > the
> > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> > themodification
> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
> > unit
> > for
> > me
> > wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> > not wo
> > rking:
> >
> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> > the
> > job
> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> > in
> > the
> >
> > &
> > gt; diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > because
> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> > sure
> > if
> > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > directly
> > connected to the head unit?
> >
> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalle
> > d the
> > firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> > is
> >
> > gt; g
> > t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > whenever
> > it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> > the
> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > &g
> > t;
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> > he Son
> > y Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and
> > the pr
> > oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > >
> > ; Phat
> > box.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> >
> > ;
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-L
> > ist me
> > ssage posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> > ue. Be
> > low are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> >
> > &g
> > t; Wha
> > t Matt
> > Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that m
> > atches
> > best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operati
> > onal i
> > ssues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message
> > from M
> > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >
> > &
> > gt; (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> > can b
> > e seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> >
> > g
> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > &g
> > t; >
> > ; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> >
> >
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> > &g
> > t; >
> > ;
> >
> > Matt G Drall
> > e | Ma
> > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > &g
> > t;
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> > ation.
> >
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> >
> >
> > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> > factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matroni
> > cs.com
> >
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
> > le you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > a
> > little
> > with respect to col
> > ors an
> > d pin
> > numbe
> > rs and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> >
> > &g
> > t; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> > ough P
> > hatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Fo
> > r refe
> > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > ha
> > ve
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> > 6.00 a
> > nd an unmodified cable will
> > work
> >
> > gt; g
> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> > &
> > gt; &g
> > t;
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> > &
> > gt;
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> > BR
> > ; 94551
> >
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > &
> > gt; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> > is
> > there,
> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> > it's
> >
> > p
> > l
> > ugged
> > in. I find i
> > t odd
> > that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> > Phatbox
> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net > R>
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > my
> > 4000x
> >
> > g
> > t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> > s inst
> > ead of 4.7k since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there
> > with
> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> >
> > &g
> > t; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on ho
> > w the
> > Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the
> > 4.7k o
> > hm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are
> > for re
> > ference only and you might find
> > you n
> > eed to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matroni
> > cs.com
> > /xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> >
> >
> > gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> > For r
> > eference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> > system.
> > The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> > the
> > PhatBox
> > conne
> > ctor.
> >
> > A
> > n unmo
> > dified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device conf
> > igurat
> > ions.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays
> > high
> > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > &
> > gt;
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset.
> > He wo
> > uld know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> >
> > &g
> > t;
> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> > ommuni
> > cates with the Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > >
> > ; BR&g
> > t;
> > ; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > Drall
> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >
> > &g
> > t; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> >
> > BR
> > ; and what not might be different depending on
> > the ve
> > rsion of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatb
> > ox-Cab
> > le-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp
> > 4000x/
> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> > are (u
> > &g
> > t; >
> > ; pgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Drall
> > e
> >
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbe
> > rs can
> > not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > c
> > onfigu
> > rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > t is a
> > n input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-do
> > wn the
> >
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > sho
> > uld th
> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > >
> > ;
> > Matt G
> > Dralle
> > | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ;
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
> > Email
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> >
> > matron
> > ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
> > A | 94
> > 551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > ;
> >
> >
> >
> > QUOTE
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
> > short
> > of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
> > itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. H
> > ere's
> > a
> > list
> > of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
> >
> > Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
> > up
> > fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
> > XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30:
> > PB
> > powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
> > PB.
> > XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> > Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> > Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> > XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> > XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
XM
> > >
> > ; Radi
> > o both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> > XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
> > XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
> > disappear,
> > C90 only sees the PB.
> >
> > Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
> > the
> > system without the PB.
> >
> > Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
> > down
> > and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both
> > sidesbesides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't
> > learn a
> > thing from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
> > problem
> > is...lol
> >
> > Matt, I may just take
> > you u
> > p on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
> > but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
> > to
> > have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
> > cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original
> > PBcable
> > from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it was
> > made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has been
> > made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that
> > were
> > made before the modification was put in place.
> >
> > I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
> > all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
> > Ahhhh!
> >
> > >
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
> > resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
> > unless you miss wire something... :-)
> >
> > The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger slave
> > on
> > the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
> > has
> > a
> > class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
> > some
> > examples:
> >
> > CD Changer: CD Chan
> > gers,
> > Phatbox, XA-300
> > MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> > Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> > Processors: 210, 4000x
> > , inte
> > rnal Bass/Treble
> >
> > On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for
> > each
> > device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
> > "I'm
> > Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> > particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
> > (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
> >
> > An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
> > powered
> > up. If the HU discover
> > s that
> > there is anything different (new or missing
> > device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
> > protocol
> > sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
> > address
> > negotiation.
> >
> > The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
> > The
> > closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
> > asical
> > ly what
> > happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
> > connectivity
> > to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
> > On
> > the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
> > stream,
> > so
> > negotiation goes from Po
> > rt 1 t
> > o Port 2 to Port 3.
> >
> > The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
> > Changer
> > class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
> > into
> > the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
> >
> > That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
> > the
> > 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
> > wanted
> > to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a
> > while
> > to
> > figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> > addressing that way, but I didn't really g
> > et an
> > answer back. I've written an
> > &g
> > t; emb
> > edded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
> > microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
> > compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
> > surly
> > Phatbox could.
> >
> > If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
> > my
> > two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> > using it with the Phatbox just to see if i
> > t had
> > an effect. This last time I
> > did
> > not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> >
> > So you don't think the reset line in yo
> > ur dia
> > gram or a higher value resistor
> > could be the problem, huh?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> > plugging
> > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have
> > tried
> > that at some point, but
> > I
> > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
> > rote:
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> > the
> > only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> > modification
> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> > for
> > me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> >
> >
> > working:
> >
> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> > job
> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> > the
> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > because
> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> > sure
> > i
> > f that
> > would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > directly connected to the head unit?
> >
> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > whenever
> > it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it
> > is pl
> > ugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dral
> > le
> > >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >
> > sugge
> > sted
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conf
> > lict o
> > f information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > gt; g
> > t;
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > some
> > information on
> > how th
> > e Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> > color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> >
> > gt; g
> > t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > interpolate
> > a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> > >
> > ;
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> >
> > gt; Us
> > e the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > &
> > gt; &g
> > t; "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > g
> > t;
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> > I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> > on
> > the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-
> > device
> >
> > co
> > nfigur
> > ations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should the
> > n forc
> > e a reset
> > after
> > a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > BR
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the P
> > hatbox
> > is plugged in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > so
> > meone
> >
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original messa
> > ge ---
> > -----------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >
> > ;
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > interpolate a
> > little
> > with respec
> > t to c
> > olors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > ;
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > >
> > ;
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> > I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> >
> > &
> > gt; ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > unit.
> >
> > Firmw
> > are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > when
> > is
> > &
> > gt;>
> > ; the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> >
> > g
> > t; PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> > &
> > gt;
> > g
> > t;
> > ;
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So f
> > rustra
> > ting, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> >
> > &g
> > t; there,
> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> > Phatbox
> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 0
> > 7:27 P
> > M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > &g
> > t;
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there
> > with
> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB t
> > hat R someone
> > wo
> > uldn't
> > mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> >
> >
> > gt; links ar
> > e for
> > reference only and you might find
> > you n
> > eed to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
> > If yo
> > u are using
> > anything els
> > e, you
> > are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (So
> > nyCabl
> > e5.pdf).
> >
> > &g
> > t;
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device conf
> > igurat
> > ions.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> >
> >
> > g
> > t; is
> >
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> >
> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
> > Produc
> > ts For Ai
> > rcraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> >
> > &
> > gt; &g
> > t; wouldn
> > 't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > Drall
> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > &g
> > t;
> > g
> > t;
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp
> > 4000x/
> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > >
> > ; ; > R>
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description
> > of th
> > e connecti
> >
> > ;
> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times.
> > Thus
> > the
> > PhatB
> > ox has trouble knowing when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > sho
> > uld th
> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > &
> > gt; &g
> > t;
> > ;
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What do you know abou
> > t the
> > >
> > ;
> > reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> > themodification
> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> > for
> > me
> > wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > working:
> >
> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> > job
> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> > the
> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > because
> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> > sure
> > if
> > &
> > gt;>
> > ; that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > directly
> > connected to the head unit?
> >
> > ;
> >
> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> > it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still b
> > e reco
> > gnized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -
> > ------
> > ------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> > he Son
> > y Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > >
> > ;
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> >
> > Still
> > wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >
> > ;
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > --
> > ------
> > ------ Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > g
> > t; inf
> > ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> >
> >
> > Wha
> > t Matt
> > Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> >
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt
> > Drall
> > e
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message
> > from M
> > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > a
> > g
> > t;
> > ; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when dir
> > ectly
> > connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> >
> > g
> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >
> > a
> > rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few secon
> > ds. Ho
> > wever, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Drall
> > e | Ma
> > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle
> > @matro
> > nics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there
> > ... as
> > soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------
> > ------
> >
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> >
> > g
> > t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin
> > numbe
> > rs and what not:
> > >
> > ;
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >
> >
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> > &g
> > t;
> > > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Fo
> > r refe
> > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >
> >
> > gt; y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > &
> > gt;
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> >
> > gt; g
> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > ;
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shut
> > down.
> > The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> > 94551
> >
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==========================================
> > ======
> > ================== > R>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there,
> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> > pl
> > ugged
> > in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > &
> > ;
> >
> > gt; g
> > t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> > Phatbox
> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > &
> > gt;>
> > ; and the problem is still there... as soo
> > n as t
> > he Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> > s inst
> > ead of 4.7k since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there
> > with
> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > ---------
> > -----
> > Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > -
> > - XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are
> > for re
> > ference only and you might find
> > you n
> > eed to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to
> > colors
> > and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.c
> > om/xdp
> > 4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > <
> > BR> Matt Dralle
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> >
> > gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> > The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> >
> > &
> > gt; An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > wor
> > k
> >
> > with any multi-device conf
> > igurat
> > ions.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays
> > high
> > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and
> > then
> > shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> >
> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resi
> > ster i
> > nstalled as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> > ommuni
> > cates with the Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >
> > s
> > ince
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > &
> > gt; --
> > ------------ Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > Drall
> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> >
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> >
> > BR
> > ; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> >
> > &
> > gt; little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp
> > 4000x/
> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > g
> > t;
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going
> > to ha
> > ve operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Drall
> > e
> >
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> >
> >
> > gt; a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The number
> > s can
> > not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > t is a
> >
> > ;
> > n input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> >
> > &g
> > t; right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > sho
> > uld th
> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >
> > g
> > t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> > &g
> > t; >
> > ;
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ;
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> >
> > matron
> >
> >
> > gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> > using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
> > did
> > not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> >
> > So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
> > resistor
> > could be the problem, huh?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > &
> > gt; &g
> > t; From: Matt
> > Drall
> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> > plugging
> > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
> > I
> > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > &g
> > t;
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > What do you kn
> > ow abo
> > ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> >
> > o
> > nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> > modification
> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> > for
> > me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > working:
> >
> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> > job
> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> > the
> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be c
> > ut. I
> > didnt do this
> > because
> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> > sure
> > if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > directly connected to the head unit?
> >
> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> > -------------- Original message -----------
> >
> > gt; g
> > t; --- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there, and
> > can co
> > ntrol it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> > it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version
> > of the
> > Sony Phatbox firmware? R
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@com
> > cast.n
> > et
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > to
> >
> > gt;
> > ; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
> > a
> > ble d
> >
> > irect from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what
> > not mi
> > ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are
> > for r
> > eference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Mat
> > t Foun
> > d on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your in
> > stalla
> > tion.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> >
> >
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed
> > cable
> > manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> > orang
> > e (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF w
> > ith a
> > detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> > the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > t is a
> > n input. It is used
> > for
> > g
> > t;
> > ; arbitration during device initializat
> > ion. W
> > ithout the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > gt; Ma
> > tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >
> > &g
> > t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
> > il
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> >
> > gt; g
> > t;Anyone out there with
> > a wor
> > king spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >
> > runnin
> > g out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
> >
> >
> > wire.
> > Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http:/
> > /www.m
> > atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > >
> > d
> > iffere
> > nt.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
> > his s
> > ystem. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to <
> > BR>>
> > ; connect a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> > orang
> > e (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > &
> > gt; &g
> > t; The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >
> >
> > a
> > rbitra
> > tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> > ore |
> > CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> > Aircra
> > ft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featu
> > ring P
> > roducts For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
> > a comp
> > lete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there,
> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
> > shut d
> > own when the
> > Phatbox
> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matron
> > ics.co
> > m
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> > by: bo
> > bbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resist
> > or sho
> > >
> > ;
> > uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there
> > with
> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original me
> > ssage
> > --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some <
> > BR>>
> > ; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
> > Note
> > the color coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find
> > you n
> > eed to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > g
> > t;
> > ;
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> >
> > h
> > ttp://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to h
> > ave op
> > erational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
> > his s
> > ystem. The
> > connections
> > are th
> > e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware
> > 5.00
> > and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device conf
> > >
> > igurat
> > ions.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initializatio
> > n. Wit
> > hout the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > g
> >
> > &g
> > t; t;
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> >
> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> > gt; R
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > >
> > ;
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > pa
> > rt wit
> > h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > BR
> > ; Drall
> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > &
> > gt; &g
> > t; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> >
> >
> > gt; little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> >
> > What P
> > hatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > >
> > ; atro
> > ni
> > cs.com/xdp
> > 4000x/
> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
> > his sy
> > stem. The
> > connections
> > are th
> > e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-devi
> > &
> > gt; &g
> > t; ce con
> > figurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device i
> > nitial
> > ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > sho
> > uld th
> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > <
> > BR> BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
> > Email
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > gt; g
> > t;
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.
> > com/ W
> > WW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> > the
> > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> > themodification
> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> > for
> >
> > ; me
> > BR wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> > not wo
> > rking:
> >
> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> > job
> > 5 vs 10 should not ma
> > tter b
> > ut I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> > the
> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > because
> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> > sure
> > if
> > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > directly
> > connected to the head unit?
> >
> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > g
> > t; Yes
> > , and I even reinsta
> > lled t
> > he firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> >
> > gt; g
> > t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > whenever
> > it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> > he Son
> > y Phatbox firmware?
> > >
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
> > wrote
> > :
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and
> > the pr
> > oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a
> > worki
> > ng spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >
> > ;
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > gt; R -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> > ue. Be
> > low are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground a
> > nd the
> > blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > Wha
> > t Matt
> > Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> >
> > gt;
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > >
> > Use the drawing that m
> > atches
> > best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message
> > from M
> > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec
> > t
> >
> > a
> > 1
> > 0k res
> > istor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> > can b
> > e seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> >
> > g
> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is us
> > ed for
> >
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at
> > all ti
> > mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> >
> >
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Drall
> > e | Ma
> > &
> > gt; &g
> > t; tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >
> > sugge
> > sted
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> > ation.
> >
> > &g
> > t; >
> > ;
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >
> >
> > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > gt; R
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > &
> > gt; &g
> > t; the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
> > le you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin
> > numbe
> > rs and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> >
> > &
> > gt; De
> > pend
> > ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> > ough P
> > hatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Fo
> > r refe
> > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the co
> > lors a
> > re different. You want to connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description
> > of the
> > connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> > 6.00 a
> > nd an unmodified cable will
> > work
> >
> > gt; g
> >
> > t
> > ; with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > g
> > t; Aft
> > er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > &
> > gt; &g
> > t; ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> > BR
> > ; 94551
> >
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >
> > ;
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
> > Produ
> > cts For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there,
> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> >
> > p
> > l
> > ugged
> > in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> > Phatbox
> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.
> > com > R>
> > -- XDP4000X-List message p
> > osted
> > by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> >
> > g
> > t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that res
> > istor
> > should've been 10k ohm
> > s inst
> > ead of 4.7k since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there
> > with
> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
> > illing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below
> > are t
> > wo links to some
> > information on ho
> > w the
> > Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are
> > for re
> > ference only and you might find
> > BR
> > ; you n
> > eed to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > &
> > gt; &g
> > t; What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> >
> >
> > gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way b
> > ack wh
> > en:
> >
> > gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> > The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox
> > conne
> > ctor.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodi
> > fied c
> > able will
> > work
> >
> >
> > with any multi-device conf
> > igurat
> > ions.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays
> > high
> > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset.
> > He wo
> > uld know best ab
> > out us
> > ing the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-6
> > 06-628
> > 1 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> >
> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets an
> > d the
> > C90only c
> > ommuni
> > cates with the Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > BR
> > ; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a
> > cable
> > direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > Drall
> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > &
> > gt; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> >
> > BR
> > ; and what not might be different depending on
> > the ve
> > rsion of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers
> > and w
> > hat not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >
> > ;
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp
> > 4000x/
> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> > are (u
> > pgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> >
> > Matt D
> > rall
> > e
> >
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a messag
> > e from
> > Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cab
> > le sho
> > uld work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > c
> > onfigu
> > rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > ;
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > t is a
> > n input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBo
> > x
> > sho
> > uld th
> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G
> > Dralle
> > | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.c
> > om Ema
> > il
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ======================================================
> > ======
> > ======
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ;
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> >
> > matron
> > ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
> > A | 94
> > 551
> > >
> > ;
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.co
> > m Emai
> > l
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> > QUOTE
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> > ist/se
> > arch
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matroni
> > cs | P
> > O Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ok, I went ahead andclipped thereset wire and nowthe PBactually works in my
> > system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my
> > processor is not accepting analog audio at the analog changerinput any longer
> > (and it used to just fine)... Idid testand there is audio at the outputs of
> the
> > PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull highs.
> >
> > I threw my cd changerback in to see if my processor would accept analog audio
> > from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer
> > either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand sinc
> > e I al
> > ways used
> > the digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
> >
> > I have yet to try my XM unit, which I know the analog outs used to work on
> > since those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in
my
> > system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late and
> I
> > don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
> >
> > So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially
> > convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said
> > before it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken
> > inside
> > of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check
> > everything out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Drall
> > e dral
> > le@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Cut the reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that line
> > down and never letting anyone else init.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
> > short
> > of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
> > it
> > split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a list
> > of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
> >
> > Phatbox (PB) plugged directly int
> > o the
> > Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
> >
> > up fin
> > e and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
> > XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30:
PB
> > powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
> > PB.
> > XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> > Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> > Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> > XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> > XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
XM
> > Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> > XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
> > XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
> > disappear,
> > C90 only sees the PB.
> > <
> > BR>>
> > ;
> > gt; g
> > t;Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
> > the
> > system without the PB.
> >
> > Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
> > down
> > and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both sides
> > besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a
> > thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
> > problem
> > is...lol
> >
> > Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
> > but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
to
> > have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
> > cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original PB
> > &
> > gt; ca
> > ble from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than
> > it
> > was made by Phatnoise) or age o
> > f the
> > cable so I don't know how recent it has
> > been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables
> > that
> > were made before the modification was put in place.
> >
> > I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
> > all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
> > Ahhhh!
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
> > resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equi
> > pment.
> > Well,
> > unless you miss wire something... :-)
> >
> > The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger sla
> > ve
> > on
> > the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has
> > a
> > class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
> > some
> > examples:
> >
> > CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
> > MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> > Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> > Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
> >
> > On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
> > device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with "I'm
> > Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> > pa
> > rticul
> > ar device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
> > (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (lo
> > w nibb
> > le).
> >
> > An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
> > powered
> > up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
> > device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a protocol
> > sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
> > address
> > negotiation.
> >
> > The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
> > The
> > closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
> > happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
> > connectivity
> > to all of the slaves down stream until i
> > t rece
> > ives an address from the HU. On
> > the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the stream,
> > so
> >
> > ;
> > negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
> >
> > The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
> > Changer
> > class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
> > into
> > the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
> >
> > That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the
> > 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
> > wanted
> > to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
> > to
> > figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> > addressing that way, but I did
> > n't re
> > ally get an answer back. I've written an
> > embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
> > microco
> > ntroll
> > er and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
> > compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
> > surly
> > Phatbox could.
> >
> > If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
> > my
> > two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> > using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
> >
> > did <
> > BR> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> >
> > g
> > t;
> > ;So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
> > could be the problem, huh?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> > plugging
> > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
> > Phatbox
> > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
> > I
> > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> > XA-C30 if you pr
> > &g
> > t; >
> > ; omise
> > on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> > the
> > only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> > modification
> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> > for
> > me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > working:
> >
> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> > the > R
> > job
> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> > in
> > the
> > d
> > iagram
> > you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > because
> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> > sure
> > if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > directly connected to the head unit?
> >
> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > g
> > t;
> > ;
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> > reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> > is
> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > whenever <
> > BR>>
> > ; it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> > the
> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > --
> > XDP400
> > 0X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> > as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> > >
> > ; in <
> > BR> my
> > 4000x
> > powers
> > down,
> > the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> > 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> >
> > -
> > ------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > <
> > BR>>
> > ; Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> > you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> > color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the versi
> > on of
> > cable
> > you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > interpolate
> > a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp40
> > 00x/So
> > nyCable5.pd
> > f
> >
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> > little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
> > are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> > gt; g
> > t;
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> > back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> > The
> > connections are the same but the colors are diffe
> > rent.
> > You want to
> > connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> > wires.
> > I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > g
> > t;
> > ;
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
> > seen
> > on
> > the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> > multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> > cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the
> > bus m
> > &g
> > t; >
> > ;aster signal. It is an input. It is
> > used
> > for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
> > the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
> > knowing
> > when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
> > The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> > g
> > t;
> > ; Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> > C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >
> > &
> > gt; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> > as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> > in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> > 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're > R
> > willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a ph
> > oto of
> > the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > s
> > ome > R information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> > color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> > you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only
> > and y
> > ou might find you need to
> > interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > gt;
> > ;
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> > little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> >
> >
> > gt; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using
> > 7.0 S
> > ony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> > back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> > The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect a
> > g
> > t;
> > ; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> > wires.
> > I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly co
> > nnecte
> > d to a head
> > unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> > multi-device
> > configuration
> > s. I'm
> > not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> > cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> > used
> > for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot
> > and t
> > hen shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should <
> > BR>>
> > ; listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> > C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@m
> > atroni
> > cs.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Air
> >
> >
> > craft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> > reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> > is
> > there,
> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> > it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
> > the
> > Phatbox
> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> >
> > gt;
> > ; -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 vers
> > ion of
> > the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> > in > R my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> > 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there
> > with
> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > &
> > gt; &g
> > t; someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > g
> > t;
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might f
> > ind > R you n
> > eed to inter
> > polate
> > a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > g
> > t;
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> > g
> >
> > &
> > gt; t;
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> >
> > conne
> > ct
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> > the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmo
> > dified
> > cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device conf
> >
> > g
> > t; igurat
> > ions.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know be
> > st abo
> > ut using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > &
> > gt;
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> >
> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >
> >
> > gt; suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> > 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a worki
> > ng spa
> > re Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> >
> >
> > gt; running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > Drall
> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be differ
> > ent de
> > pendi
> > ng on
> > the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp
> > 4000x/
> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> >
> > ;
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anyth
> > ing el
> > se, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > "We
> > chang
> > ed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> > &
> > gt; > R> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable w
> > orks w
> > ith simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > sho > R
> > uld th
> > en force a reset after a
> > few s
> > econds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> > gt; > R
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > ;
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > gt;
> > ; What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> > the
> > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> > themodification
> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> > for
> > me
> > wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > working:
> >
> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> > the
> > job
> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> > in
> > the
> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > because
> > lower dow
> > n it s
> > eemed that they fixed that with a fir
> > mware
> > update? Im not
> > sure
> > if
> > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > directly
> > connected to the head unit?
> >
> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> > is
> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shut
> > s down
> >
> > whenever
> > it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be
> > recogn
> > ized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> > the
> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> > he Son
> > y Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At
> > 07:27
> > PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets
> > and th
> > e C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > to
> > par
> > t with
> > for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> >
> > ;
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information
> > on how
> > the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor be
> > tween
> > ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > Wha
> > t Matt
> > Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> >
> >
> > gt; Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >
> > diffe
> > rent.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message
> > from M
> > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We chang
> > ed cab
> > le manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description
> > of the
> > connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> > the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if f
> > irmwar
> > e 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> >
> > g
> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initial
> > ize it
> > self.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > g
> > t;
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Drall
> > e | Ma
> > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> > as > R suggested
> > and the problem is stil
> > l ther
> > e... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> >
> >
> > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> >
> > ;
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> > by: M
> > att Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > T
> > he
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin
> > numbe
> > rs and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > &
> > gt; cs
> > .com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> >
> > ;
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Fo
> > r refe
> > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > co
> > nnect
> > &
> > gt; > R> a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> >
> > g
> > t;
> > ; gt; g
> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > arbitration during device ini
> > tializ
> > ation. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > gt; > R Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> > 94551
> >
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> > <
> > BR>
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> > is
> > there,
> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> > it's
> > pl
> > ugged
> > in. I find it odd that the
> > Phatb
> > ox can still be recognize
> > d and
> >
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> > Phatbox
> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > ;
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90
> > only
> > communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> > s inst
> > ead of 4.7k since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there
> > with
> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > so
> > meone
> >
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the
> > Phatbo
> > x-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending
> > on the
> > version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are
> > for re
> > ference only and you might find
> > you n
> > eed to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little > R
> > differen
> > t.
> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> > system. > R
> > The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attach
> > ed a P
> > DF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> > the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> >
> >
> > gt; work
> > with any multi-device conf
> > igurat
> > ions.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays
> > high
> > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > is
> > > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> > g
> > t;
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> >
> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > s
> >
> > u
> > ggest
> > ed
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> > ommuni
> > cates with the Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody hel
> > p?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > Drall
> > e dralle@matron
> > ics.co
> > m
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> >
> > BR
> > ; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> >
> > ;
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phat
> > box Sa
> > id:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp
> > 4000x/
> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >
> > ;
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Drall
> > e
> >
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > >
> > connections are t
> > he sam
> > e but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> >
> > ;
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> >
> > &
> > gt; t is a
> > n input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > sho
> > uld th
> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regardi
> > ng pus
> > hing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http
> > ://www
> > .matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > gt;
> > ;
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> >
> > matron
> > ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Bo
> > x 347
> > | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@mat
> > ronics
> > .com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> > using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
> > did
> > not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> >
> > So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
> > could be the problem, huh?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > -- XDP
> > 4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> > plugging
> > the Phatbox into the system
> > using
> > one of these. Basically
> > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
> > I
> > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > What do you kn
> >
> >
> > ow abo
> > ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> > only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> > modification
> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> > for
> > me wrote after I contacted
> > him t
> > he last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > working:
> >
> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> > job
> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> > the
> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > because
> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> > sure
> > if that would help but you might want to ask
> > Matt.
> > Does it still work when
> > directly connected to the head unit?
> >
> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> > -------------- Original message -----------
> > --- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> > it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> > BR
> > ; Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version
> > of the
> > Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-Li
> > st mes
> > sage posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> >
> >
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > to
> >
> > gt;
> > ; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > <
> > BR>>
> > ; -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted b
> > y: Mat
> > t Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what
> > not mi
> > ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com
> > &
> > gt; &g
> > t; /xdp40
> > 00x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your in
> > stalla
> > tion.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For r
> > eferen
> > ce, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers s
> > ince M
> > att purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> > orang
> > e (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> > the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an
> > unmod
> > ified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master s
> > ignal.
> > It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > g
> > t;
> > ; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few
> > second
> > s. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > gt; Ma
> > tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dr
> > alle@m
> > atronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon
> > as th
> > e Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> >
> > gt; g
> > t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable dir
> > ect fr
> > om the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@
> > matron
> > ics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
> > wire.
> > Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> >
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > BR
> > ; http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > d
> > iffere
> > nt.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike W
> > oo at
> > Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> > orang
> > e (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when direc
> > tly co
> > nnected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> > >
> > ;
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > a
> > rbitra
> > tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > sho
> > uld th
> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> > >
> > ore |
> > CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
> > a comp
> > lete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there,
> > and can c
> > ontrol
> > it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> >
> > Phatb
> > ox
> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> > by: bo
> > bbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > >
> > ; and
> > the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >
> > 4000x
> >
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there
> > with
> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original me
> > ssage
> > --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X
> > -List
> > message posted by:
> > Matt
> > Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find
> > you n
> > eed to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > ;
> > g
> > t;
> > ;
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5
> > .pdf <
> > BR>
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections
> > are th
> > e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> > I
> >
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >
> > work
> > BR with any multi-device conf
> > igurat
> > ions.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initializatio
> > n. Wit
> > hout the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> >
> > &
> > gt; right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> > gt;
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> >
> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> > gt; R
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... a
> > s soon
> > as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k >
R
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > BR
> > ; Drall
> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay
> > , here
> > 's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information
> > on how
> > the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> >
> > What P
> > hatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp
> > 4000x/
> >
> > ;
> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > &g
> > t;
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections
> > are th
> > e same but the colors
> > are di
> > fferent. You want to connect a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > att
> > ached
> > a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is us
> > ed for
> >
> > arbitration during device i
> > nitial
> > ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initial
> > ize it
> > self.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > sho
> > uld th
> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermor
> > e | CA
> > | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > gt; g
> > t;
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > &g
> > t; Mat
> > t G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> > > R
> >
> >
> > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> > the
> > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> > themodification
> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> > for
> > me
> > wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> > not wo
> > rking:
> >
> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> > job
> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but
> > I coul
> > d be wrong. The other thing was that in
> > the
> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > because
> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update
> > ? Im n
> > ot
> > sure
> > if
> > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > directly
> > connected to the head unit?
> >
> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> >
> > gt; g
> > >
> > ;
> > t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > whenever
> > it's
> >
> >
> > gt; plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> > he Son
> > y Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister ins
> > t
> > alled
> >
> > as
> > suggested
> > and
> > the pr
> > oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >
> > ;
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4
> > 000X-L
> > ist message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> > ue. Be
> > low are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> >
> >
> > gt; Wha
> > t Matt
> > Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matroni
> > cs.com
> > /xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that m
> > atches
> > best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> >
> > ;
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message
> > from M
> > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the bl
> > ue (bu
> > s master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> > can b
> > e seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when dir
> > ectly
> > connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> >
> > g
> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox ha
> > s trou
> > ble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > g
> > t;
> > ; to
> >
> >
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Drall
> > e | Ma
> > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed a
> > s
> >
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >
> >
> > gt; 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> > ation.
> >
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >
> >
> > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > &g
> > t; >
> > ;
> >
> > BR -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
> > le you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin
> > numbe
> > rs and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> >
> > ;
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Sa
> > id: > R>
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> > ough P
> > hatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> >
> > g
> > t; Fo
> > r refe
> > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are diff
> > erent.
> > You want to connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with
> > simpl
> > e multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> > 6.00 a
> > nd an unmodified cable will
> > work
> >
> > gt; g
> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during de
> > vice i
> > nitialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He
> > would
> > know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> > BR
> > ; 94551
> >
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > <
> > BR>>
> > ;
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Live
> > rmore
> > | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there,
> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> >
> > p
> > l
> > ugged
> > in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x wh
> > ich is
> > shut down when the
> > Phatbox
> > is plugged in... I just don't know
> > what
> > to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> >
> > g
> > t; powers down, the system reset
> > s and
> > the C90 only communicates with the <
> > BR>>
> > ; Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> > s inst
> > ead of 4.7k since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there
> > with
> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ; Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on ho
> > w the
> > Phatbox-Sony cables are wi
> > red. N
> > ote that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are
> > for re
> > ference only and you might find
> > you n
> > eed to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > ;
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation. <
> > BR>>
> > ;
> >
> >
> > gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoi
> > se way
> > back when:
> >
> > gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> > The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > <
> > BR>>
> > ; The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox
> > conne
> > ctor.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
> > unmod
> > ified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device conf
> > igurat
> > ions.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays
> > high
> > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boo
> > t and
> > then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset.
> > He wo
> > uld know best about using the C90.
> > g
> > t;
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> >
> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system
> > reset
> > s and the C90only c
> > ommuni
> > cates with the Ph
> > atbox.
> >
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > BR
> > ; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > Drall
> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> >
> > ; Okay
> > , here's some help on thi
> > s cabl
> > e issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> >
> > BR
> > ; and what not might be different depending on
> > the ve
> > rsion of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > gt; g
> > t;
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp
> > 4000x/
> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > <
> > BR> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> > are (u
> > pgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Drall
> > e
> >
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Wo
> > o at P
> > hatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> >
> > &g
> > t; have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > c
> > onfigu
> >
> > ra
> > tions. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > t is a
> > n input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble know
> > ing wh
> > en is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > sho
> > uld th
> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > BR
> > ; Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G
> > Dralle
> > | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> > <
> > BR>
> > ;
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-100
> > 1 V |
> > 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> >
> > matron
> > ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
> > A | 94
> > 551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> > QUOTE
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > gt;
> > &
> > gt; &g
> > t;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
> > short
> > of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
> > itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a
> > list
> > of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
> >
> > Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
up
> > fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
> > XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C
> > 30:
> > PB
> > >
> > powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
> > PB.
> > XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> > Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> > Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> > XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> > XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
XM
> > Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> > XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
> > XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
> > disappear,
> > C90 only sees the PB.
> >
> > Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
> > the
> > system without the PB.
> > &g
> > t;
> > > Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbo
> > x is s
> > hut down
> > and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both
> > sidesbesides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn
> > a
> > thing from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the problem
> > is...lol
> >
> > Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
> > but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
to
> > have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
> > cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original PBcable
> > from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it was
> > made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has been
> >
> > &g
> > t; made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that
> > were
> > made before the modification was put in place.
> >
> > g
> > t;
> > ;I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
> > all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
> > Ahhhh!
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
> > resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
> > unless you miss wire something... :-)
> >
> > The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first C
> > DChang
> > er slave
> > on
> > the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has
> > a
> > class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
> > some
> > examples: > R
> >
> > CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
> > MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> > Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> > Processors: 210, 4000x
> > , inte
> > rnal Bass/Treble
> >
> > On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
> > device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with "I'm
> > Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> > particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
> > (high nibble) and the device's assigned address
> > on th
> > e UB (low nibble).
> >
> > An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
> > powered
> > up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
> > device) from the last time it started, it w
> > ill re
> > set the bus (both a protocol
> > sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
> > address
> > negotiation.
> >
> > The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
> > The
> > closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
> > asical
> > ly what
> > happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
> > connectivity
> > to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
On
> > the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device
> > in th
> > e stream,
> > so
> > negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
> >
> > The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
> > Changer
> > class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
> > into
> > the HU or is on Port 1 of th
> > e firs
> > t XA-C30 in the chain.
> >
> > That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the
> > 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
> > wanted
> > to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
> > to
> > figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> > addressing that way, but I didn't really g
> > et an
> > answer back. I've written an
> > embedded processor Unilink Slave emulat
> > or tha
> > t runs on an 8051-compatible
> > microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
> > compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
> > surly
> > Phatbox could.
> >
> > If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
> > my
> > two installations to see if the
> > probl
> > em is the Phatbox or something else.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> > using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
> > did
> > not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> >
> > >
> > ;
> > So you don't think the reset line in yo
> > ur dia
> > gram or a higher value resistor
> > could be the problem, huh?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my insta
> > llatio
> > ns, I am plugging
> > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
> > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> > A
> > t 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
> > rote:
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> > only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> > modification
> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
> > me wrote after I
> > contac
> > ted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > working:
> >
> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> > job
> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> > the
> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > because
> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmw
> > are up
> > date? Im not sure
> > i
> > f that
> > would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > directly connected to the head unit?
> >
> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> >
> > Yes, a
> > nd I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > whenever
> > it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it
> > is pl
> > ugged into the 400
> > 0x whi
> > ch is shut down when the
> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: b
> > obbybr
> > aun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >
> > sugge
> > sted
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still won
> > dering
> > if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> >
> > g
> > t; g
> > t;
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> > you <
> > BR> *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> > color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> >
> > gt; g
> > t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > interpolate
> > a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his ca
> > ble:
> > BR
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> >
> > gt; Us
> > &g
> > t; >
> > ; e the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed cable ma
> > nufact
> > urers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > g
> > t;
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> > I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed
> > descri
> > ption of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> > on
> > the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > co
> > nfigur
> > ations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> >
> > gt;
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > when
> > >
> > ; is <
> > BR> the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should the
> > n forc
> > e a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606
> > -6281
> > F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > BR
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > sugg
> > ested
> >
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > so
> > meone
> >
> > woul
> > dn't m
> > ind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > &
> > gt; > R> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >
> > ;
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > interpolate a
> > little
> >
> > ; with
> > respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Sa
> > id: > R>
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > ;
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Fo
> > r refe
> > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are
> > the sa
> > me but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> > I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > unit.
> >
> > Firmw
> > are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
> > unmod
> > ified cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used > R>
> > for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> >
> > g
> > t; PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> > gt; > R
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> > h
> > ttp://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> > g
> > t;
> > ;
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So f
> > rustra
> > ting, the C9
> > 0 know
> > s the Phatbox is
> > there,
> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> > plugged in. I
> > find
> > it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> > Phatbox
> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 0
> > 7:27 P
> > M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> > as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x <
> > BR>>
> > ; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there
> > with
> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB t
> > hat > R someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dra
> > lle > R
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to som
> > e
> >
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> >
> >
> > gt; links are for reference only and you might find
> > you n
> > eed to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> >
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > diff
> > erent.
> >
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
> > If yo
> > u are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> >
> > ; have
> >
> > attached a PDF with a detailed descri
> > ption
> > of the connections
> > (So
> > nyCabl
> > e5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device conf
> > igurat
> > ions.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> >
> >
> > gt; is
> >
> > ; the
> >
> > right
> > time t
> > o initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> >
> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
> > Produc
> > ts For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still t
> > here..
> > >
> > . as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> >
> > wouldn
> > 't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > Drall
> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > &
> > gt;
> >
> > BR Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > g
> > t;
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp
> > 4000x/
> > SonyCab
> > le5.pd
> > f
> >
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > ;
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> > wires
> > . I
> > have
> >
> > attach
> > ed a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> >
> > ;
> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the
> > PhatB
> > ox has tro
> > uble k
> > nowing when
> > is
> > the
> >
> > right
> > time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > sho
> > uld th
> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> > ;
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ================================================================== > R>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What do you know abou
> > t the
> > reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> > themodification
> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
> > me
> > wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > working:
> >
> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k
> > or so
> > should do the
> > job
> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing w
> > as tha
> > t in
> > the
> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > because
> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
> > if
> > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > directly
> > connected to the head unit?
> >
> > ;
> >
> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all
> > to no
> > avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whe
> > never
> >
> > it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -
> > ------
> > ------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> > he Son
> > y Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I
> > had t
> > he cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > my > R 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> >
> > Still
> > wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >
> > ;
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dra
> > lle > R>
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >
> > g
> > t; g
> > t; inf
> > ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > Wha
> > t Matt
> > Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > &
> > gt;
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> >
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> >
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message
> > from M
> > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > a
> > >
> > ; g > R> t;
> > ; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > g
> > t;
> > ;
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> >
> > g
> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >
> > a
> > rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-d
> > own th
> > e signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> >
> > ; shou
> > ld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Drall
> > e | Ma
> > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle
> > @matro
> > nics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > &
> > gt; We
> > ll I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> >
> > gt; St
> > ill wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original messa
> > ge ---
> > -----------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >
> >
> > gt; need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> >
> > g
> > t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin
> > numbe
> > rs and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox
> > -Cable
> > -Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> >
> > Are y
> > ou using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >
> >
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Fo
> > r refe
> > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >
> > connec
> > tions are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> > ;gt; y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> >
> > gt; g
> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > t is a
> > n input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > ;
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a r
> > eset a
> > fter a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> > 94551
> >
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW
> > | Fea
> > turing Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==========================================
> > ======
> > ==================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics
> > .com/
> > WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there,
> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> > pl
> > ugged
> > in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still b
> > e reco
> > gnized and
> >
> > gt; g
> > t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> > Phatbox
> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of
> > the S
> > ony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soo
> > n as t
> > he Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> >
> > &
> > gt; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> > s inst
> > ead of 4.7k since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there
> > with
> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >
> >
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > -
> > - XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are
> > two l
> > inks to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are
> > for re
> > ference only and you might find
> > you n
> > eed to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and
> > pin nu
> > mbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.c
> > om/xdp
> > 4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might
> > be a
> > little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> >
> > ;
> > when:
> >
> >
> > gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> > The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF w
> > ith a
> > detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > wor
> > k
> >
> > with any multi-device conf
> > igurat
> > io
> > ns. > R
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays
> > high
> > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to in
> > itiali
> > ze itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon a
> > s the
> > Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> > ommuni
> > cates with the Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >
> > s
> > ince
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >
> > r
> > unning out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > Drall
> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > <
> > BR> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> >
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> >
> > BR
> > ; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> >
> > gt; Wh
> > at Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp
> > &g
> > t; >
> > ; 4000x/
> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > g
> > t;
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Drall
> > e
> >
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise wa
> > y back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> >
> >
> > gt;
> > a
> >
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > g
> > t;
> > ; The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > t is a
> >
> > ;
> > n input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without
> > the pu
> > ll-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > sho
> > uld th
> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >
> > g
> > t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-60
> > 6-6281
> > F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > ; ====
> > ==============================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ;
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> >
> > matron
> >
> >
> > gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V |
> > 925-60
> > 6-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > &
> > gt; > R>
> >
> > I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> > using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
> > did
> > not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> >
> > So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
> > could be the problem, huh?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > Drall
> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
> > g
> > t; the
> > Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I'v
> > e ever
> > tried plugging the Phatbox
> > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
> > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > What do you kn
> > ow abo
> > ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> >
> > o
> > nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> > modification
> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
> > me wrote after I contac
> > ted hi
> > m the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > working:
> >
> >
> > &
> > gt; Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
> > job
> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> > the
> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > because
> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
> > if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > directly connected to the head unit?
> >
> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> > -------------- Original message -----------
> >
> > gt; g
> > t; --- > R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > ;
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled th
> > e firm
> > ware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> > it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version
> > of the
> > Sony Phatbox firmware? > R
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4
> > 000X-L
> > ist message posted b
> > y: bob
> > bybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > to
> >
> > gt;
> > ; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
> > able d
> > irect from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > g
> > &g
> > t; t;
> >
> > ; -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what
> > not mi
> > ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Mat
> > t Foun
> > d on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matro
> > nics.c
> > om/xdp4000x/U
> > nilink
> > -To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your in
> > stalla
> > tion.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed
> > cable
> > ma
> > nufact
> > urers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >
> > g
> > t; connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> > orang
> > e (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> > the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is
> > with t
> > he bus master signal. I
> > t is a
> > n input. It is used
> > BR
> > ; for
> > g
> > t;
> > ; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > gt; Ma
> > tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94
> > 551 > R> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
> > il
> > h
> > ttp://
> > www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> >
> > gt; g
> > t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someon
> > e
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >
> > runnin
> >
> > ;
> > g out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
> > wire.
> > Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > >
> > ;
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http:
> > /
> >
> > /www.m
> > atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > d
> > iffere
> > nt.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> >
> > &
> > gt; Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed cable man
> > ufactu
> > rers since Matt purchased
> > his s
> > ystem. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> > orang
> > e (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi
> > -devic
> > e
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with th
> > e bus
> > master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >
> >
> > a
> > rbitra
> > tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > &
> > gt; Mi
> > ke"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> > ore |
> > CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@
> > matron
> > ics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> > Aircra
> > ft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware an
> > d did
> >
> > a comp
> > lete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there,
> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> > plugged in. I find it
> > odd t
> > hat the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
> > shut d
> > own when the
> > Phatbox
> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -
> > - XDP4
> > 000X-List message posted
> > by: bo
> > bbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> >
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resist
> > or sho
> > uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there
> > with
> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here.
> > Can a
> > nybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original me
> > ssage
> > --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >
> >
> > gt; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
> > Note
> > the color coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find
> > you n
> > eed to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > > R>
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > g
> > t;
> > ;
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use t
> > he dra
> > wing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to h
> > ave op
> > erational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We chan
> > ged ca
> > ble manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections
> > are th
> > e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The
> > numbe
> > rs can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware
> > 5.00
> > and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device conf
> > igurat
> > ions.
> >
> > The problem is with the
> > bus m
> > aster signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initializatio
> > n. Wit
> > hout the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > g
> > t; sho
> > uld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> >
> > &g
> > t; gt;
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> > gt; > R
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox
> > .
> >
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > pa
> > rt wit
> > h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > ru
> > nning
> > out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > BR
> > ; Drall
> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > BR
> > ; need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> >
> >
> > gt; little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt
> > Found
> > on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> >
> > What P
> > hatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp
> > 4000x/
> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> >
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way ba
> > ck whe
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections
> > are th
> > e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They c
> > an be
> > seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-devi
> > ce con
> > figurations. <
> > BR>>
> > ;
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device i
> > nitial
> > ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > sho
> > uld th
> > en force a reset after a few seconds. Ho
> > wever,
> > you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matr
> > onics.
> > com
> > Email
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > gt; g
> > t;
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> > Aircr
> > aft
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> > themodification
> > of the cable.
> > Here's
> > what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
> >
> > ; me
> > BR wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> > not wo
> > rking:
> >
> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> > job
> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> > the
> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > because
> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware up
> > date?
> > Im not sure
> > if
> > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > directly
> > connected to the head unit?
> >
> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> > -------------- Original message ---
> > ------
> > -----
> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > g
> > t; Yes
> > , and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> >
> > gt; g
> > t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > whenever
> > it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x
> > which
> > is shut down when the
> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > &g
> > t;
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> > he Son
> > y Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
> > wrote
> > :
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and
> > the pr
> > oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >
> > ; Phat
> > box.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they'
> > re wil
> > ling to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >
> > ;
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > gt; > R -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> > ue. Be
> > low are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *wil
> > l
> >
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > >
> > ; link
> > s are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > Wha
> > t Matt
> > Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> >
> > gt;
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that m
> > atches
> > best your installation.
> >
> >
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware
> > (upgra
> > deable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message
> > from M
> > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec
> > t
> >
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> > can b > R
> > e seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodifi
> > ed cab
> > le works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> >
> > g
> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at
> > all ti
> > mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should li
> > sten
> > BR to
> >
> >
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > &
> > gt; Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Drall
> > e | Ma
> > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >
> > sugge
> > sted
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k oh
> > ms ins
> > tead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> > ation.
> >
> >
> > >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >
> >
> > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > gt; > R
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor
> > betwe
> > en ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending
> > on th
> > e version of cab
> > le you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin
> > numbe
> > rs and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> >
> > Depend
> > ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Son
> > y firm
> > ware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have
> > operat
> > ional issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> > ough P
> > hatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Fo
> > r refe
> > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description
> > of the
> > connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > g
> > t;
> > ; PhatBox connector.
> >
> > >
> > ; An u
> > nmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> > 6.00 a
> > nd an unmodified cable will
> > work
> >
> > gt; g
> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > g
> > t; Aft
> > er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, yo
> > u shou
> > ld listen to
> >
> > M
> > att regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> > BR
> > ; 94551
> >
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >
> > ;
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Produ
> > cts Fo
> > &
> > gt;r A
> > ircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there,
> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> >
> > p
> > l
> > ugged
> > in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> > Phatbox
> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message p
> > osted
> > by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 vers <
> > BR>>
> > ; ion of
> > the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> >
> > g
> > t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> > s inst
> > ead of 4.7k since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there
> > with
> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
> > illing
> > to
> > part with for some
> > cash,
> > or a photo of the bo
> > ttom o
> > f a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on ho
> > w the
> > Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are
> > for re
> > ference only and you might find
> >
> > BR > R> ; you n
> > eed
> > to int
> > erpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> >
> >
> > gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dral
> > le
> > >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> > g
> > t;
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > gt; > R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox
> > conne
> > ctor.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm n
> > ot sur
> > e if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > gt; with any multi-device conf
> > igurat
> > ions.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays
> > high
> > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset.
> > He wo
> > uld know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > &
> > gt; > R>
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001
> > V | 92
> > 5-6
> > 06-628
> > 1 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> >
> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> > ommuni
> > cates with the Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > BR
> > ; Anyone out there with
> > a wor
> > king spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn'
> > t mind
> > me using to get myself a
> > cable
> > direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > Drall
> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> >
> > BR
> > ; and what not might be differe
> > nt dep
> > ending on
> > the ve
> > rsion of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> >
> > littl
> > e
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers
> > and w
> > hat not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp
> > 4000x/
> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are go
> > ing to
> > have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> > are (u
> > pgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Drall
> >
> > e
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a messag
> > e from
> > Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > ons > R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > <
> > BR> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > c
> > onfigu
> > rations. I'm not sure if fi
> > rmware
> > 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > ;
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > t is a
> > n input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > sho
> > uld th
> > en force a reset after a few seconds. Ho
> > wever,
> > you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt
> > G
> >
> > Dralle
> > | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.c
> > om Ema
> > il
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ;
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > htt
> > p://ww
> > w.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> >
> > matron
> > ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> > ;
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
> > A | 94
> > 551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.co
> > m Emai
> > l
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> > > QUOTE
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.ma
> > tronic
> > s.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> > ist/se
> > arch
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > g
> > t; htt
> > p://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> > ======
> > ======================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> It WORKS!!!! After lots of tinkering I finally got it to play, and it's
> worksflawlessly and sounds just as good as I'd expect!
>
> The only thing I can think of that was causing it to act funny last night was
> maybebecauseI had a low battery which in the end caused all of the oddities with
> my equipment, because everything works as it should now including the analog
> outputs on my CD Changer... My optima batteryis on it's 7thyear now, and my
> alternator doesn't do very well whenrunning atidle so after all thetinkering
> lastnight,when I went to start my car this AM the battery was dead.
>
> The first thing I did this morning was hook up my XM adapter to test my analog
> inputs on the processor, and it worked perfectly (almost too perfectly
> considering I cancelled my service back in December and it's still working ha
> ha...) And is it just me, or doesXM sound evenWORSE than ever?!! I can't believe
> I ever even paid for service that sounded so bad. Wow. Even though right now
I
> could listen to it for free,after hearinghow bad it sounds I know I'dnever even
> botherturning it on, so right nowit's unhooked and boxed up in my closet for
> storage until I find someone who wants to take it off my hands lol.
>
> Matt I want tothank you so much for all your help with this, I never
> would'vefigured it out on my own! After running into all these problems maybe
we
> did learn a little something about how the Phatbox intergrates into a
> Sonysystem. First off,the reset line has to be cut in order for a PB to work
> with a processor, but seems to work fine as a single Unilink source directly
> connected to a compatible head unit with the reset wire stillconnected. And
> another thingthat came up beforethat I'd like to point out,the Phatboxdoes work
> when directly connected to my 4000x. I do not have my XA-C30 permanently
> installed yet so the PB is my only external music source at this time. I am now
> curious however if the thing would've worked fine without the pulldown resistor
> installed if the reset line had been cut the entire time. Regardless, wow what
> an ordeal and I'm so glad it's over.
>
> Now a couple questions about usage. How much should Ibe concerned about heat,
> cold and vibrationaffecting the DMS cartridge? Where I live there are some
> extreme cold temperatures, and we all know how hot it can get in the trunk of
a
> car. I have it mounted with rubber grommets on a wooden carpeted surface, so
> vibration should be at a minimum but I just thought I'd ask since you've been
> using one of these for a while. And another thing, is there an easy way to
> navigate through the countless number of albums you have at your disposal? I
> haven't really sat down to use the thing yet, and haven't even listened to an
> entire song yet, so I'm just wondering if there areany tricks to setting it up
> to get the most out of the unit?
>
> Thanks again for everything, now I can't wait to go on a longroadtrip and listen
> to an endless amount of music! HA HA HA!
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, I've thought about all that already, but here is the thing, I can't get
> any
> audio to be recognized by the 4000x through it's Analog Changer Inputs. The
> only reason I know it sounds bad is because I hooked a set of headphones up to
> the phatbox to test if any audio was present and when I listened it sounded
> horrible, (if not mono). I listened to the same exact mp3 file that was being
> played on the PB back inside on my computer through the same headset using the
> crappy non 24bit burr brown outputs of my laptop and it sounded 1000x more full
> and realistic, so that worries me. And the fact that I can't get any audio to
> play back when plugged into t
> he ana
> log changer inputs worries me even more, I
> really hope this thing didn't somehow damage my 4000x, there is no way I want
> to
> send it off to Sony and let them hack away at it like they did with my last C90
> I sent them...
>
> I have done a full reset from the C90 and still nothing. I'll test out my other
> equipment that I know was working beforehand tomorrow and then I'll know more,
> but that still doesn't change the issue with the terrible sound output of the
> PB.
>
> ------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Great news!
>
> Couple of things come to mind with respect to your new audio woes. Digital vs
> Analog input on the 4000x is only negotiated on reset (button on C90), so with
> all
> the p
> lugging around, make sure that you set things up like you want, then
> press that reset button.
>
> Second, the "tinny" sound might be because you've selected an unprogrammed
> EQ/Xover setting on the 4000x. The default setting has some of the Xover
> settings off or highly attenuated.
>
> Plug your PC back into the 4000x and double check all of your EQ and XO memory
> locations, and then make sure you select the right ones on the HU.
>
> Almost there!
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 08:13 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Ok, I went ahead and clipped the reset wire and now the PB actually works in
> my
> system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my > R>
> processor is not accepting analog audio at the analog changer input any longer
> (and it used to just fine)... I did test and there is audio at the outputs of
> the PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull
> highs.
>
> I threw my cd changer back in to see if my processor would accept analog
> audio
> from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer
> either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand since I always
> used
> the digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
>
> I have yet to try my XM unit, which I know the analog outs used to work on
> since those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in my
> system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late and
> I
>
> &
> gt; don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
>
> So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially
> convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said
> before it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken
> inside
> of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check
> everything out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Cut the reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that
> line
> down and never letting anyone else init.
> >
> ;
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
> short
> of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then
> from
> it
> split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a
> list
> of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
>
> Phatbox (PB) plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB
> powers
> up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer I
> nput o
> f the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
> C30:
> PB
> powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees
> the
> PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
> C30,
> Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
> C30,
> XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> XM
> Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input
> of
> XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
> disappear, <
> BR>>
> ; C90 only sees the PB.
>
> Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected
> into
> the
> system without the PB.
>
> Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
> down
> and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both
> sides
> besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a
> thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
> problem
> is...lol
>
> Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your
> system,
> but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
> > R>
> to
> have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset
> line
> cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original PB
> cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other
> than
> it
> was made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it
> has
> been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables
> that
> were made before the modification was put in place.
>
> I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I
> finished
> all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've
> been!
> Ahhhh!
>
>
> &
> gt; &g
> t; -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
> resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment.
> Well,
> unless you miss wire something... :-)
>
> The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger
> slave
> on
> the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus
> (UB)
> has
> a
> class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along
> >
> ; with
>
> some
> examples:
>
> CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
> MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
>
> On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for
> each
> device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
> "I'm
> Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device
> class
> (high nibble) and the device's assigned address o
> n the
> UB (low nibble).
>
> An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
> powered
> up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
> device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
> protocol
> sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
> address
> negotiation.
>
> The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the
> bus.
> The
> closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically
> what
> happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
> >
> ;
> connectivity
> to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the
> HU.
> On
> the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
> stream,
> so
> negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
>
> The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
> Changer
> class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly
> plugged
> into
> the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
>
> That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting
> with
> the
> 4000x
> in yo
> ur system since they are different classes of devices, but I
> wanted
> to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a
> while
> to
> figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've
> written
> an
> embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an
> 8051-compatible
> microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is
> 100%
> compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do
> it,
> surly
> Phatbox could.
>
> If you'd like, you can send m
> e your
> Phatbox and I can give it a try here
> on
> my
> two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something
> else.
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
> tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last
> time
> I
> did
> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>
>
> So
> you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
> resistor
> could be the problem, huh?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> plugging
> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
> Phatbox
> directly into a 4000. S
> eems l
> ike I must have tried that at some
> point,
> but
> I
> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning
> you
> a
> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram?
> This
> is
> the
> only other difference shown in your diag
> ram th
> at wasn't done in the
> modification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
> unit
> for
> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should
> do
> the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
> that
> in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do
> this
> because
>
> &
> gt; lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
> not
> sure
> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
> when
> directly connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even
> reins
> talled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
> Phatbox
> is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
> and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down
> when
> the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> &g
> t; From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with th
> e 4.7k
> ohm resister
> installed
> as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
> plugged
> in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates
> with
> the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
> of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
>
> &g
> t; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable
> they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
> that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
>
> -->
> ; XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two
> links
> to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note
> that
> you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note
> the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the v
> ersion
> of
> cable
> you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > R>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be
> a
> little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If
> you
> are
> using
>
> &
> gt; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with
> the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise
> way
> back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> &
> gt; &g
> t; system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You
> want
> to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange
> (ground)
> wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can
> be
> seen
> &
> gt;>
> ; on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
> head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
> unmodified
> cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
>
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It
> is
> used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the
> pull-down
> the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
> knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then > R>
> shutdown.
> The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you
> should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using
> the
> C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> &g
> t;
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
> installed
> as
> suggested
>
> &g
> t; and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
> plugged
> in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with
> the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
> of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable
> they're
> willing
>
> &
> gt; to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
> that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> &
> gt; &g
> t;
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two
> links
> to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note
> that
> you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note
> the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of
> cable
> you
> have.
> The
> &g
> t;
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atron
> i
>
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If
> you
> are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with
> the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're
> using
> 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise
> way
> back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You
> want
> to
> connect a
>
> &g
> t; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
> &g
> t; >
> ; head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
> unmodified
> cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It
> is
> used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the
> pull-down
> the
>
> &
> gt; signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
> knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then
> shutdown.
> The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you
> should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know bes
> t abou
> t using
> the
> C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
>
> &g
> t; Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
> &g
> t; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
> Phatbox
> is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be reco
> gnized
>
> and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down
> when
> the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
> >
> ;
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
> plugged
> in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
> the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that res
> istor
> should've been 10k ohms instead
> of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
> that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> &
> gt;>
> ; -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different dep
> ending
> on the version of cable
> you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
> >
> ;
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
> are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> >
> ;
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires. I
> have
> &
> gt; &g
> t; attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
> seen
> on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> will
> work
>
> &g
> t; with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
> the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
> knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the P
> hatBox
> is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
> The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>
> 9
> 25-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
> plugged
> in
> my
> 4000x
>
> p
> owers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with
> the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
> of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
> that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> I'm
> &
> gt;>
> ; running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> you
> *will
> &
> gt; &g
> t; need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
>
> http://www.matron
> ics.co
> m/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0
> Sony
> firmware on your Phatbox? If you
> are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> co
> nnecti
> ons are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected
> to a
> head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
> the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
> knowing
> when
>
> &
> gt; is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
> The
> PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
> &g
> t; >
> ;
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
> &g
> t;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
>
>
> &
> gt;>
> ; What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram?
> This
> is
> the
> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> themodification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
> unit
> for
> me
> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should
> do
> the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
> &
> gt; &g
> t; that
> in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do
> this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
> not
> sure
> if
> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
> when
> directly
> connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> Fro
> m: bob
> bybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
> Phatbox
> is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
> and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down
> when
> the
>
> &
> gt; Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> he Son
> y Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>
> &
> gt; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
> the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> ;
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> I'm
>
> ;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> &
> gt;
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> a
>
> &
> gt; little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> Wha
> t Matt
> Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> different.
> &g
> t;
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message
> from M
> ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> &g
> t;
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
> >
> ;
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> will
> work
>
> g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signa
> l
>
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> &
> gt;
>
>
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
> tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
>
> &
> gt; suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with
> the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> &g
> t; >
> ; someone
>
>
> gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> &
> gt; &g
> t; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin
> numbe
> rs and what not:
>
>
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> >
> ;
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> Fo
> r refe
> rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
>
> &
> gt; connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head > R>
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> will
> work
>
> gt; g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
>
> &
> gt; when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> &
> gt;>
> ; ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> 94551
>
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
> >
> ;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
> Phatbox
> is
> there
> ,
>
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
> pl
> ugged
> in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down
> when
> the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> by: M
> att Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> my
> 4000x
>
> &
> gt; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
> the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> s inst
> ead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
>
>
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> &g
> t; col
> or
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> you
> have.
> The
> links are
> for re
> ference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> &
> gt; &g
> t;
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (
> upgrad
> eable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> back
> when:
>
> gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue
> (bus
> master) and orange (ground)
> wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> wi
> ll
> > work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays
> high
> (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> &g
> t;
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@ma
> tronic
> s.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> ommuni
>
> &g
> t; cates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> &
> gt; &g
> t; -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
> &
> gt;>
> ;
> BR
> ; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
> &
> gt; &g
> t;
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> &g
> t; >
> ; Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Drall
> e
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the b
> lue (b
> us master) and orange (ground)
> wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if
> firmw
> are 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
> n input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> Af
> ter th
> e PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>
> &
> gt; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
> ;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> &g
> t; >
> ; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
> matron
> ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO B
> ox 347
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
> tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last
> time
> I
> did
> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>
> So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
> resistor
> &
> gt; &g
> t; could be the problem, huh?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> plugging
> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
> Phatbox
> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
> but
> I
> can't rem
> ember
> for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning
> you
> a
> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> What do you kn
> ow abo
> ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> modification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
>
> &
> gt; unit
> for
> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
> that
> in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
> not
> sure
> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
> when
> &
> gt; &g
> t; directly connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message -----------
> --- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
>
> &
> gt; plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version
> of the
> Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> >
> ;
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out t
> here w
> ith a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
>
> gt;
> ; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue.
> Below
> are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what
> not mi
> ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
>
> &
> gt; What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your in
> stalla
> tion.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else,
> you a
> re going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
>
> &g
> t; orang
> e (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> >
> ;
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> g
> t;
> ; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a
> few s
> econds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> gt; Ma
> tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
> > R>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
>
> gt; g
> t;An
> yone o
> ut there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> &
> gt;>
> ; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
> wire.
> Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
>
> &
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> d
> iffere
> nt.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> &
> gt; &g
> t; xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> orang
> e (ground) wires. I
> >
> ;
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> &
> gt;
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> a
> rbitra
> tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
>
> to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> ore |
> CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> &g
> t; >
> ; ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
> a comp
> lete system reset
> >
> ;
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
> the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> &g
> t; Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> by: bo
> bbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >
> ;
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original me
> ssage
>
> -
> -------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find
> you n
> &
> gt; &g
> t; eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> g
> t;
> ;
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches
> best y
> our installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections
>
> &
> gt; are th
> e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmwar
> e 6.00
> and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initializatio
> n. Wit
> hout the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> P
> hatBox
>
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
> &
> gt; &g
> t;
>
> gt; R
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbo
> x cabl
> e they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> BR
> ; Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below a
> re two
> links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-P
> hatbox
> -Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
>
> What P
> hatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational is
> sues w
> ith the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections
> are th
> e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed
> descr
> iption of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It i
> s an i
> nput. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device i
> nitial
> ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
>
> &g
> t; Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> gt; g
> t;
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
> &
> gt;
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
>
>
> What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
> is
> the
> only other d
> iffere
> nce shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> themodification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
> unit
> for
> me
> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> not wo
> rking:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
> that
> in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> &
> gt; &g
> t; lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
> not
> sure
> if
> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
> when
> directly
> connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
>
> &
> gt; afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
>
> gt; g
> t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted b
> y: Mat
> t Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> he Son
> y Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and
> the pr
> oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
>
> &g
> t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
>
> ;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
>
> &
> gt; -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> ue. Be
> low are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> &g
> t; >
> ; The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> Wha
> t Matt
> Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >
> ; diff
> erent.
> Use the drawing that m
> atches
> best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message
> from M
> ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
>
> &
> gt; "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> can b
> e seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> u
> nit. <
> BR> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
>
> g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
> &
> gt; &g
> t;
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
>
>
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
> tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>
> &
> gt; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> >
> ;
> there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> ation.
>
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
>
>
> gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> &g
> t; >
> ; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
> le you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> a
> little
> >
> with respect to colors and pin
> numbe
> rs and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> &g
> t;
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> ough P
> hatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> Fo
> r refe
> rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> conne
> ctions
> are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configur
> ations
> . I'm not sure if firmware
> 6.00 a
> nd an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> gt; g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot a
> nd the
> n shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> BR
> ; 94551
>
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
> &g
> t; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> &
> gt;>
> ;
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
>
> p
> l
> ugged
> in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
> the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> ;
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the prob
> lem is
> still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
>
> g
> t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
> the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> s inst
> ead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> >
> ;
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on ho
> w the
> Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the
> blue
> wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are
> for re
> ference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
>
> &g
> t; http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
>
>
> gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
> &g
> t;
> > g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on
> the S
> ony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox
> conne
> ctor.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device in
> itiali
> zation. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays
> high
> (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset.
> He wo
> uld know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
> &
> gt;>
> ;
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in <
> BR>>
> ; my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> ommuni
> cates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> BR
> ; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
>
> &
> gt; running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> &
> gt; > R> BR
> ; and what not might be different depending on
> the ve
> rsion of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> &
> gt; &g
> t; atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> are (u
> pgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Mat
> t Dral
> l
> e
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on
> the So
> n
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> c
> onfigu
> rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
> n input. It is used for
>
>
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
> >
> ;
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G
> Dralle
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
> ;
>
> &g
> t;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
> matron
> ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>
>
>
>
>
>
> &
> gt; &g
> t; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
> A | 94
> 551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> QUOTE
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Fea
> turing
> Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
> short
> of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then
> from
> itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a
> list
> of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
>
> Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB
> powers
> up
> fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
> C30:
> PB
> &g
> t; >
> ; powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees
> the
> PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
> C30,
> Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
> C30,
> XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> XM
> Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input
> of
> XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
> disappear,
> C90 only sees the PB.
>
>
>
> Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected
> into
> the
> system without the PB.
>
> Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
> down
> and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both
> sidesbesides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't
> learn a
> thing from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
> problem
> is...lol
>
> Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your
> system,
> but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
> to
> have the cable modified one last time wi
> th a 1
> 0k resistor and the reset
> line
> cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original
> PBcable
> from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it
> was
> made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has
> been
> made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that
> were
> made before the modification was put in place.
>
> I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I
> finished
> all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've
> been!
> Ahhhh!
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> &g
> t;
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
> resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment.
> Well,
> unless you miss wire something... :-)
>
> The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger
> slave
> on
> the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
> has
> a
> class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
> some
> examples:
>
> CD Changer: CD C
> hanger
> s, Phatbox, XA-300
> MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> Processors: 210, 4000x
> , inte
> rnal Bass/Treble
>
> On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for
> each
> device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
> "I'm
> Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device
> class
> (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
>
> An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each
> time
> the HU is
> powered
> up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
> device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
> protocol
> sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
> address
> negotiation.
>
> The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the
> bus.
> The
> closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
> asical
> ly what
> happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
> connectivity
> to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the
> HU.
> &
> gt; &g
> t; On
> the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
> stream,
> so
> negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
>
> The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
> Changer
> class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
> into
> the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
>
> That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
> the
> 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
> wanted
> to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a
> while
> &g
> t; >
> ; to
> figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> addressing that way, but I didn't really g
> et an
> answer back. I've written an
> embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
> microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is
> 100%
> compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
> surly
> Phatbox could.
>
> If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here
> on
> my
> two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
>
> Matt
> >
> ;
>
>
> At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
> tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
> I
> did
> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>
> So you don't think the reset line in yo
> ur dia
> gram or a higher value resistor
> could be the problem, huh?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
> >
> ;
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> plugging
> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
> Phatbox
> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
> but
> I
> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
> rote:
> >
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> the
> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> modification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> in
> the
> &g
> t; dia
> gram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> i
> f that
> would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>
>
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it
> is pl
> ugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> &
> gt; &g
> t; Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>
> sugge
> sted
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> &
> gt; &g
> t; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> gt; g
> t;
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> &g
> t; som
> e
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
>
> gt; g
> t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://w
> ww.mat
> ronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
>
> gt; Us
> e the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
>
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> g
> t;
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They ca
> n be s
> een
> on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> co
> nfigur
> ations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at
> all t
> imes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should the
> n forc
> e a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> ore |
> CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> BR
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a c
> onflic
> t of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> so
> meone
>
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this c
> able i
> ssue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>
> ;
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matro
> nics.c
> om/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> ;
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> >
> ;
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y con
> n
>
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
>
> Firmw
> are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. T
> hus th
> e PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>
> g
> t; PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Mat
> ronics
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
> g
> t;
> ;
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So f
> rustra
> ting, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> ;
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 0
> 7:27 P
> M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still w
> onderi
> ng if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB t
> hat R someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
>
> &g
> t; Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
>
>
> gt; links are for reference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
> If yo
> u are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
>
> &
> gt; Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (So
> nyCabl
> e5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> th
> e
>
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
>
>
> gt; is
> &
> gt;>
> ; the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronic
> s.com/
> WWW | Featuring
> Produc
> ts For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> &g
> t; >
> ; to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
>
> wouldn
> 't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>
>
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> g
> t;
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
>
> &
> gt; cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> ;
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from
> Mike
> Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
>
> ;
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected
> to a
> head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the
> PhatB
> ox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> &
> gt; Ph
> atBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
> ;
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> &
> gt; ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
>
>
> What do you know abou
> t the
> reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> only other differe
> nce sh
> own in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> themodification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> me
> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> if
>
> &
> gt; that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly
> connected to the head unit?
>
> ;
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> &
> gt; it
> 's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -
> ------
> ------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> he Son
> y Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -
> - XDP4
> 000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
>
> Still
> wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that <
> BR>>
> ; someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
> ;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> g
> t; inf
> ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
>
> &g
> t; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> Wha
> t Matt
> Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
>
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> &
> gt; &g
> t; different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message
> from M
> ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
>
> &
> gt; a
> g
> t;
> ; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
>
> g
> &
> gt;>
> ; t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>
> a
> rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> &
> gt; &g
> t; Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
> tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle
> @matro
> nics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powe
> rs dow
> n, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
>
> BR
> ;
>
> gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message ----------
> ---- <
> BR> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
>
> g
> t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respec
> t to c
> olors and pin
> numbe
> rs and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>
>
> >
> ;
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> Fo
> r refe
> rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >
> ;
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>
>
> gt; y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
>
> gt; g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> ar
> bitrat
> ion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> ;
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
> <
> BR>>
> ; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> 94551
>
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==========================================
> ======
> ==================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ W
> WW | F
> eaturing Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> pl
> ugged
> in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>
> gt; g
> t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
> the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> ;
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soo
> n as t
> he Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
>
> &g
> t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> s inst
> ead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dr
> alle <
> BR>
>
> -
> - XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are
> for re
> ference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
>
> &
> gt; with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.c
> om/xdp
> 4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>
> xdp-4
> 000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
>
> gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> wor
> k
>
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pul
> l-down
> the
> signal
> stays
> high
> (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
> tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> ommuni
> cates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >
> ;
>
> s
> ince
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's
> some
> help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
>
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
>
> BR
> ; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/
> xdp400
> 0x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> g
> t;
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> Phat
> Manage
> r).
>
> Matt Drall
> e
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
>
>
> gt; a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the
> Son <
> BR> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
>
> ;
> n input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all
> times.
> Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>
> g
>
> &g
> t; t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
> ;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
> &
> gt;
>
>
> matron
>
>
> gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
> tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to se
> e if i
> t had an effect. This last time
> I
> did
> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>
> So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
> resistor
> could be the problem, huh?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> plugging
> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> C90-
> 4000-C
> 30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
> Phatbox
> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
> but
> I
> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> What do you kn
> ow abo
> ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
>
> o
> nly other difference shown in your diagram tha
> t wasn
> 't done in the
> modification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
> when > R>
> directly connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message -----------
>
> gt; g
> t; --- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can stil
> l be r
> ecognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version
> of the
> Sony Phatbox firmware? R
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the ca
> ble mo
> dified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
>
> gt;
> ; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
> &g
> t;
> able d
> irect from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what
> not mi
> ght be different depending on the versio
> n of c
> able you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Mat
> t Foun
> d on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches
> best y
> our in
> stalla
> tion.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed
> cable
> manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but
> the co
> lors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> orang
> e (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
>
> &
> gt; work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
> n input. It is used
> for
> g
> t;
> ; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> >
> ;
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> gt; Ma
> tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
> il
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>
> &g
> t; suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
>
> gt; g
> t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
> >
> runnin
> g out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
> wire.
> Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
>
>
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http:/
> /www.m
> atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> d
> iffere
> nt.
> >
> ; Use
> the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
> his s
> ystem. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> &g
> t;
> connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> orang
> e (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
>
> w
> ith any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>
>
> a
> rbitra
> tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He
> would
> know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> ore |
> CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> Aircra
> ft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
> &
> gt; &g
> t;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
> a comp
> lete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>
> &
> gt; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
> shut d
> own when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> by: bo
> bbybraun@comcast.net
> &g
> t;
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resist
> or sho
> uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> &
> gt; &g
> t; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original me
> ssage
> --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
> Note
> the color coding
> and what not might be different depend
> ing on
> the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> g
> t;
> ;
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> &
> gt; Us
> e the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to h
> ave op
> erational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections
> are th
> e same but
> the c
> olors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware
> 5.00
> and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
> &g
> t; igu
> rat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initializatio
> n. Wit
> hout the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
> "
>
>
>
> g
> t;
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> gt; R
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
>
>
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> pa
> rt wit
> h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> BR
> ; Drall <
> BR>>
> ; e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>
>
> gt; little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
>
> What P
> hatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to
> have o
> perational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> BR
> ; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections
> are th
> e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> &
> gt;
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-devi
> ce con
> figurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device i
> nitial
> ization. Without the p
> ull-do
> wn the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>
> &
> gt; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
> Email
>
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> gt; g
> t;
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
>
>
> What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> the
> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> themodification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
>
> ; me
> BR wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> not wo
> rking:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> the
> job
>
> &
> gt; 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> if
> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly
> connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> &g
> t;
> g
> t; Yes
> , and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>
> gt; g
> t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> &g
> t; >
> ; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> he Son
> y Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
> wrote
> :
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and
> the pr
> oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only co
> mmunic
> ates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
> ;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> gt; R -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X
> -List
> message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> ue. Be
> low are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> Wha
> t Matt
> >
> ;
> Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
>
> gt;
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that m
> atches
> best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using
> 7.0 So
> ny firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message
> from M
> ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec
> t
>
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The number
> s can
> not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> can b
> e seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
>
> g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at
> all ti
> &
> gt; &g
> t; mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
>
>
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
> tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>
> &g
> t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>
> sugge
> sted
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> ation.
> >
>
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
>
>
> gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> gt; R
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> &g
> t; >
> ; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
> le you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin
> numbe
> rs and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> Wha
> t Phat
> box Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
>
> Depend
> ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> ough P
> hatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> &g
> t;
> Fo
> r refe
> rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description
> of the
> connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
> >
> ;
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> 6.00 a
> nd an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> gt; g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
> &g
> t; >
> ;
> g
> t; Aft
> er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> BR
> ; 94551
>
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW |
> Featu
> ring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>
> ;
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> >
> ;
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
>
> p
> l
> ugged
> in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message p
> osted
> by: Matt Dralle
> >
> ;
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
>
> g
> t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> s inst > R>
> ead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
> illing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay,
> here's
> some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on ho
> w the
> Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are
> for re
> ference only and you might find
> BR
> ; you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> &
> gt;
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
>
>
> gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> &g
> t;
> > Matt Dralle
>
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> &
> gt; &g
> t; PhatBox
> conne
> ctor.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
>
>
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays
> high
> (+5V) at al
> l time
> s. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset.
> He wo
> uld know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-6
> 06-628
> >
> ;
> 1 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> ommuni
> cates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> &g
> t;
>
> BR
> ; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a
> cable
> direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
> to so
> me
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
>
> BR
> ; and what not might be different depending on
> the ve
> rsion of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers
> and w
> hat not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Re
> v1.pdf
>
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> are (u
> pgradeable through PhatManager).
>
>
> &g
> t; Matt Drall
> e
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a messag
> e from
> Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be
> seen
> on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> c
> onfigu
> rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> ;
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
> n input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble k
> nowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G
> Dralle
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281
> F | d
> ralle@matronics.c
> om Ema
> il
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
> ;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
>
> t
> ;
>
>
>
> matron
> ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
> A | 94
> 551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.co
> m Emai
> l
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> QUOTE
>
>
>
>
>
> &g
> t;
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> ist/se
> arch
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ok, I went ahead andclipped thereset wire and nowthe PBactually works in my
> system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my
> processor is not accepting analog audio at the analog changerinput any longer
> (and it used to just fine)... Idid testand there is audio at the outputs of
> the
> PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull highs.
>
> I threw my cd changerback in to see if my processor would accept analog audio
> from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer
> either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand since I always
> used
> the digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
>
> I have yet to try my XM unit, which I know the analog outs used to work on
>
> since
> those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in my
> system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late and
> I
> don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
>
> So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially
> convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said
> before it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken
> inside
> of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check
> everything out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > R>
> Cut the reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that
> line
> down and never letting anyone else init.
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
> short
> of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
> it
> split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a
> list
> of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
>
> Phatbox (PB) plugged directly int
> o the
> Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
> up fine and is reco
> gnized
> , 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30:
> PB
> powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
> PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> XM
> Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
> XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
> dis
> appear
> ,
> C90 only sees the PB.
>
>
> gt; g
> t;Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
> the
> system without the PB.
>
> Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
> down
> and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both sides
> besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a
> thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
> problem
> is...lol
>
> Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
> but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
> to
> have the cabl
> e modi
> fied one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
> cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original PB
> cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than
> it
> was made by Phatnoise) or age o
> f the
> cable so I don't know how recent it has
> been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables
> that
> were made before the modification was put in place.
>
> I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
> all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
> Ahhhh!
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
>
> &
> gt; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
> resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
> unless you miss wire something... :-)
>
> The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger sla
> ve
> on
> the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
> has
> a
> class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
> some
> examples:
>
> CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
> MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> Processors: 2
> 10, 40
> 00x, internal Bass/Treble
>
> On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
> device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
> "I'm
> Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
> (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (lo
> w nibb
> le).
>
> An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
> powered
> up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
> device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
> protocol
> sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus > R>
> address
> negotiation.
>
> The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
> The
> closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
> happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
> connectivity
> to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
> On
> the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
> stream,
> so
>
> ;
> negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
>
> The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
> Changer
> class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
>
>
> into
> the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
>
> That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
> the
> 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
> wanted
> to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
> to
> figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've written an
> embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
> microco
> ntroll
> er and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
> compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
> surly
>
> Phatbo
> x could.
>
> If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
> my
> two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
> did
> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>
> g
> t;
> ;So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
> could be the problem, huh? <
> BR>>
> ;
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> plugging
> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
> Phatbox
> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
> I
> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> XA-C30 if you pr
> omise
> on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 08:05 PM 4/17/
> 2006 M
> onday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> the
> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> modification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> the R
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> >
> ;
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> g
> t;
> ;
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down <
> BR>>
> ; whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> --
> XDP400
> 0X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister install
> ed
> > as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> my
> 4000x
> powers
> down,
> the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can a
> nybody
> help?
>
>
> -
> ------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the versi
> on of
> cable
> you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interp
> olate
>
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pd
> f
>
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
> are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x. > R>
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> gt; g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
> g
> t;
> ;
> >
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
> seen
> on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the
> bus m
> aster signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
> the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at al
> l time
> s. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
> knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
> The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> g
> t;
> ; Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.ma
> tronic
> s.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're R
> willing
> to
> part with for som
> e cash
> , or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> s
> ome R information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on th
> e vers
> ion of cable
> you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> gt;
> ;
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using vers
> ion 7.
> 0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
>
>
> gt; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect a
> g
> t;
> ; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires.
> I > R>
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> multi-device
> configuration
> s. I'm
> not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> for
> arbitrat
> ion du
> ring device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot
> and t
> hen shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> &
> gt; 92
> 5-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@m
> atroni
> cs.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Air
> craft
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> afterwards, all to no a
> vail.
> So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
> the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
>
> gt;
> ; -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 P
> M 4/17
> /2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in R my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
>
> w
> ouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> g
> t;
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you m
> ight f
>
> ind R you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> g
> t;
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> &g
> t; xdp
> -4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
>
> conne
> ct
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> >
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
>
> g
> t; igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
>
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know be
> st abo
> ut using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4
> .7k oh
> m resister installed as
>
>
> gt; suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
>
>
>
> gt
> ; running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different dependi
> ng on
> the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
>
> &
> gt; little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
>
> ;
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
>
> &
> gt; Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We
> chang
> ed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> >
> ; Phat
> Box connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable w
> orks w
> ith simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then
> shutdo
> wn. The
> PhatBox
> sho R
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> gt; R
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
> <
> BR>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
>
>
>
> gt;
> ; What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> the
> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> themodification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> me
> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
> &
> gt; &g
> t;
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a fir
> mware
> update? Im not
> sure
> if
> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly
> connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> &g
> t; >
> ; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shut
> s down
>
> whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Are yo
> u running the 7.0 version of t
> he Son
> y Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At
> 07:27
> PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a wor
> king s
> pare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> par
> t with
> for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
>
> ;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor be
> tween
>
> gr
> ound and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> Wha
> t Matt
> Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
>
>
> gt; Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing th
> at mat
> ches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message
> from M
> ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We chang
> ed cab
> le manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> &
> gt; &g
> t; have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if f
> irmwar
> e 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
>
> g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the > R>
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> g
> t;
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
> tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
> &
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as R suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> >
> ;
>
>
> gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
>
> ;
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
>
> T
>
> he
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin
> numbe
> rs and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
>
> ;
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
>
> &g
> t; using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> Fo
> r refe
> rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> co
> nnect
>
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
>
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
>
> g
> t;
> ; gt; g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has troub
> le kno
> wing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> gt; R Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> 94551
>
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
>
> pl
> > ugged
> in. I find it odd that the
> Phatb
> ox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> ;
>
> Well I had the cable modified
> with t
> he 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> s inst
> ead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> so
> meone
>
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can a
> nybody
> help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending
> on the
> version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are
> for re
> ference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> wi
> th res
> pect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little R
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt
> Drall
> e
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> system. R
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connec
> ted to
> a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
>
>
> gt; work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays
> high
> (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> g
> t;
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> s
> uggest
> ed
> and the problem is st
> ill th
> ere... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> ommuni
> cates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody hel
> p?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> &g
> t; Dra
> ll
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
>
> BR
> ; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
>
> ;
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What
> Matt F
> ound on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>
> ;
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
>
>
> Matt Drall
> e
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are t
> he sam
> e but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when d
> irectl
> y connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
>
> ;
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
> n input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
>
> &
> gt; en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regardi
> ng pus
> hing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
> gt;
> ;
>
>
>
> &
> gt;
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
> matron
> ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Bo
> x 347
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> I ac
> tually
> do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
> did
> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>
> So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
> could be the problem, huh?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
>
> -- XDP
> 4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> plugging
> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've
> ever t
> ried plugging the Phatbox
> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
> I
> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> What do you kn
>
>
> ow abo
> ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> modification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> me wrote
> after
> I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> if that would help but you might want to ask
> Matt.
> Does it still work when
> directly connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message -----------
> --- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.n
> et
> >
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> BR
> ; Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version
>
> &g
> t; of the
> Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
>
>
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> >
> ;
> to
>
> gt;
> ; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted b
> y: Mat
> t Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what
> >
> ;
> not mi
> ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com
> /xdp40
> 00x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your in
> stalla
> tion.
>
>
> Are yo
> u using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For r
> eferen
> ce, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> orang
> e (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a
> detai
> led description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an
> unmod
> ified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> g
> t;
> ; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high
> (+5V)
> at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few
> second
> s. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> gt; Ma
> tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products
> For A
> ircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon
> as th
> e Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
>
> gt; g
> t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using
> to ge
> t myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@
> matron
> ics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
> wire.
> Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you n
> eed to
> interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> BR
> ; http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> d
> iffere
> nt.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> >
> ;
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> orang
> e (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> >
> ; Phat
> Box connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when direc
> tly co
> nnected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> a
> rbitra
> tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and the
> n shut
> down. The
> PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> ore |
> CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
> &
> gt; &l
> t;
> BR
> ;
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
> a comp
> lete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
>
> Phatb
>
>
> ox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> by: bo
> bbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>
> 4000x
>
> powers down, the
> syste
> m resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original me
> ssage
> --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X
> -List
> message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> >
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> ;
> g
> t;
> ;
> What Phatbox Said:
> &g
> t; >
> ;
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections > R>
> are th
> e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>
> work
> BR with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus m
> aster
> signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initializatio
> n. Wit
> hout the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
> gt;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001
> V | 92
> 5-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> gt; R
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> R
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a
> photo
> of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> BR
> ; Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information
> on how
> the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>
> >
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
>
> What P
> hatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
>
> ;
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox
> ? If y
> ou are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections
> are th
> e same but the colors
> are di
> fferent. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >
> ;
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is us
> ed for
>
> arbitration during device i
> nitial
> ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connect
> ed, it
> will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermor
> e | CA
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> gt; g
> t;
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
> &g
> t;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
> R
>
>
> What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> the
> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> themodification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> me
> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> not wo <
> BR>>
> ; rking:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update
> ? Im n
> ot
> sure
> if
> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly
> connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
>
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>
> gt; g
> t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
>
>
> gt; plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> &
> gt; Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> he Son
> y Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister ins
> talled
> as
> suggested
> and
> the pr
> oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
>
> &
> gt; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
> ;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> ue. Be
> low are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >
> ;
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
>
>
> gt; Wha
> t Matt
> Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that m
> atches
> best your installation.
> &
> gt; > R> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
>
> ;
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message
> from M
> ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyC
> able5.
> pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> can b
> e seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when dir
> ectly
> connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> &g
> t; rig
> ht time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> g
> t;
> ; to
>
>
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
> tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> > R>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>
>
> gt; 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> ation.
>
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>
>
> gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> &
> gt; ru
> nning out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
>
> BR -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
> le you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and p
> in
> > numbe
> rs and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
>
> ;
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> ough P
> &
> gt; &g
> t; hatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
>
> g
> t; Fo
> r refe
> rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable s
> hould
> work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with
> simpl
> e multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> 6.00 a
> nd an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> gt; g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. Ho
> wever,
> you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He
> would
> know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> BR
> ; 94551
>
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | P
> O Box
> 347 | Live
> rmore
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
>
> p
> l
> ugged
> in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know
> w
> hat > R> to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
>
> g
> t; powers down, the system reset
> s and
> the C90 only communicates w
> ith th
> e
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> s inst
> ead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> BR
> ; Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below
> are tw
> o links to some
> information on ho
> w the
> Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are
> for re
> ference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> ;
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> h
> ttp://
> www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
>
>
> gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoi
> se way
> back when:
>
> gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. > R>
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox
> conne
> ctor.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
> unmod
> ified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> &g
> t; >
> ; ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays
> high
> (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset.
> He wo
> uld know best about using the C90.
> g
> t;
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> &g
> t; >
> ; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> ommuni
> cates with the Ph
> atbox.
>
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> &g
> t; >
> ; BR
> ; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
>
> ; Okay
> , here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground
> and t
> he blue wire. Note the color
> coding
>
> BR
> ; and what not might be different depending on
> the ve
> rsion of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> gt; g
> t;
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things
> might
> be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> are (u
> pgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Drall
> e
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Wo
> o at P
> hatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bu
> s mast
> er) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> c
> onfigu
>
> ra
> tions. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
> n input. It is used for
>
> arbit
> ration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> BR
> ; Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G
> Dralle
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@mat
> ronics
> .com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
> ;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-100
> 1 V |
> 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
> matron
> ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>
>
>
>
> &g
> t; >
> ;
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
> A | 94
> 551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> QUOTE
>
>
>
>
> gt;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources, <
> BR>>
> ; short
> of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
> itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a
> list
> of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
>
> Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
> up
> fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C
> 30: PB
>
> powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
> PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> Changer both disappear,
> C90 o
> nly sees the PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> XM
> Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
> XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
> disappear,
> C90 only sees the PB.
>
> Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
> the
> system without the PB.
>
> Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbo
> x is s
> hut down
> and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both
> sidesbesides C90 and
> PB wh
> en the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't
> learn
> a
> thing from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
> problem
> is...lol
>
> Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
> but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
> to
> have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
> cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original
> PBcable
> from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it
> was
> made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has
> been
> made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that
> were
> made be
> fore t
> he modification was put in place.
>
> g
> t;
> ;I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
> all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
> Ahhhh!
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
> resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
> unless you miss wire something... :-)
>
> The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger slave
> on
> the bu
> s. Eac
> h class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
> has
> a
> class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
> some
> examples: R
>
> CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
> MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> Processors: 210, 4000x
> , inte
> rnal Bass/Treble
>
> On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
> device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
> "I'm
> Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
> >
> ; (hig
> h nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
>
> An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
> powered
> up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
> device) from the last time it started, it w
> ill re
> set the bus (both a protocol
> sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
> address
> negotiation.
>
> The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
> The
> closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
> asical
> ly what
> happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
> connectivity
> to all of
> the sl
> aves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
> On
> the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
> stream,
> so
> negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
>
> The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
> Changer
> class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
> into
> the HU or is on Port 1 of th
> e firs
> t XA-C30 in the chain.
>
> That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
> the
> 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
> wanted
> to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
> to > R>
> figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> addressing that way, but I didn't really g
> et an
> answer back. I've written an
> embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
> microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
> compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
> surly
> Phatbox could.
>
> If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
> my
> two installations to see if the
> probl
> em is the Phatbox or something else.
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X
> -List
> message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
> did
> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>
> So you don't think the reset line in yo
> ur dia
> gram or a higher value resistor
> could be the problem, huh?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my insta
> llatio
> ns, I am plugging
> the Phatbox into the system u
> sing o
> ne of these. Basically
> C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
> rote:
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> modification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
>
> &
> gt; me wrote after I
> contac
> ted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> i
> f that
> would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message ---------
> -----
>
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
>
> Yes, a
> nd I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it
> is pl
> ugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4
> 000X-L
> ist message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: b
> obbybr
> aun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>
> sugge
> sted
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict o
> f info
> rmation.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
>
> g
> t; g
> t;
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
>
> &
> gt; *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
>
> gt; g
> t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his ca
> ble:
> BR
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what ve
> rsion
> of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
>
> gt; Us
> e the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable ma
> nufact
> urers since Matt purchased his system. The
> g
> t;
> connections are the same but the
> colors
> are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> co
> nfigur
> ations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> >
>
> gt;
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should the
> n forc
> e a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
> <
> BR>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606
> -6281
> F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> BR
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> &
> gt;
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> so
> meone
>
> woul
> dn't m
> ind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
>
> &
> gt; *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>
> ;
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate a
> little
>
> ; with
> respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> ;
>
> &
> gt;
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> Fo
> r refe
> rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are differe
> nt. Yo
> u want to
> connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
>
> Firmw
> are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
> unmod
> ified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
> <
> BR>>
> ; The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>
> g
> t; PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
> >
> ;
>
> gt; R
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
> g
> t;
> ;
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even re
> instal
> led the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So f
> rustra
> ting, the C9
> 0 know
> s the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt <
> BR>>
> ;
>
> At 0
> 7:27 P
> M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a pho
> to of
> the bottom of a Sony PB t
> hat R someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dra
> lle R
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
>
>
>
> &g
> t; gt; links are for reference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
>
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
> If yo
> u are using
> anything else, you are goin
> g to h
> ave operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>
> ; have
>
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (So
> nyCabl
> e5.pdf).
>
> The numbers
> can n
> ot be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
>
>
> gt; is
>
> ; the
>
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> &
> gt;
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
> Produc
> ts For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm re
> sister
> installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still t
> here..
> . as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
>
> wouldn
> 't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> ---------
> -----
> Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
>
> BR Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> g
> t;
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> &g
> t; >
> ;
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> ;
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManag
> er). <
> BR>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
>
> attach
> ed a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
>
> ;
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directl
> y conn
> ected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the
> PhatB
> ox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
>
> right
> time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seco
> nds. H
> owever, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
> ;
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>
> &
> gt; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
>
>
> What do you know abou
> t the
> reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> themodification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> me
> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> 5 vs
> 10 sh
> ould not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing w
> as tha
> t in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> if
> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly
> connected to the head unit?
>
> ;
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and d
> id a c
> omplete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whe
> never
>
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -
> ------
> ------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> he Son
> y Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> &
> gt;
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my R 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
>
> Still
> wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind
> me us
> ing to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
> ;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>
> g
> t; g
> t; inf
> ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only an
> d you
> might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> Wha
> t Matt
> Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
>
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
>
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>
> Make s
> ure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message
> from M
> ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> g
> t;
> ; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
> g
> t;
> ;
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connec
> tor. <
> BR>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>
> a
> rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>
> ; s
> hou > R> ld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
> tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle
> @matro
> nics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in my
>
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
>
> gt; St
> ill wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>
> BR
> ;
>
> gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> &
> gt;
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>
>
> gt; need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
>
> g
> t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin
> numbe
> rs and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://
> www.ma
> tronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
>
> Are y
> ou using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>
>
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> Fo
> r refe
> rence, h
> ere is
> a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>
>
> g
> t;
> ;gt; y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>
> &
> gt; configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> gt; g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> ;
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a r
> eset a
> fter a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> &g
> t;
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> 94551
>
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==========================================
> ======
> ==================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics > R>
> .com/
> WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> pl
> ugged
> in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>
> gt; g
> t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> ;
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of
> the S
> ony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soo
> n as t
> he Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> s inst
> ead of 4.7k since
> &
> gt; th
> ere seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>
>
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
>
> -
> - XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
>
> &
> gt; the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are
> for re
> ference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and
> pin nu
> mbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.c
> om/xdp
> 4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a littl
> e
>
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
>
> ;
> when:
>
>
> gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor betw
> een th
> e blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> wor
> k
>
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> io
> ns. R
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without
> the p
> ull-down the signal
> stays
> high
> (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
>
>
> <
> BR> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> ommuni
> cates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>
> s
> ince
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> &g
> t; >
> ; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
> r
> unning out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
>
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
>
> BR
> ; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
>
> &
> gt; have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
>
> gt; Wh
> at Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> g
> t;
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.
> 0 Sony
> firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Drall
> e
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise wa
> y back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
>
>
> gt; a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pd
> f). > R>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> g
> t;
> ; The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
>
> ;
> n input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing wh
> en is
>
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>
> g
> t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-60
> 6-6281
> F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> &g
> t;
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
> ;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
> matron
>
>
> gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | > R>
> 925-60
> 6-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
> did
> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>
> So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
> could be the problem, huh?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> &g
> t; >
> ;
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> plugging
> g
> t; the
> Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> What do you kn
> ow abo
> ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
>
> &
> gt;
> o
> nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> modification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> me wrote after I contac
> ted hi
> m the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when <
> BR>>
> ; directly connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message -----------
>
> gt; g
> t; --- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> ;
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
>
> &
> gt; Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version
> of the
> Sony Phatbox firmware? R
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4
> 000X-L
> ist message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and
> the C
> 90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
>
> gt;
> ; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
> able d
> irect from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> g
> t;
> ; -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> &
> gt;
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what
> not mi
> ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Mat
> t Foun
> d on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/U
> nilink
> -To-Phatbox
> -Cable
> -Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your in
> stalla
> tion.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> >
> ;
> "We changed
> cable
> manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>
> g
> t; connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> orang
> e (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmwa
> re 6.0
> 0 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
> n input. It is used
> BR
> ; for
> g
> t;
> ; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding push
> ing re
> set. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> gt; Ma
> tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
> il
> h
> ttp://
> www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> &g
> t; >
> ; Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
>
> gt; g
> t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
> runnin
>
> ;
> g out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> &
> gt; Ok
> ay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
> wire.
> Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http:
> /
>
> /www.m
> atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
> &
> gt; &g
> t;
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> d
> iffere
> nt.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable man
> ufactu > R>
> rers since Matt purchased
> his s
> ystem. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> orang
> e (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> &
> gt; &g
> t; work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with th
> e bus
> master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>
>
> a
> rbitra
> tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> &g
> t; >
> ; Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> ore |
> CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@
> matron
> ics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> Aircra
> ft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
> Produc
> ts For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
> a comp
> lete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> plugged in. I find it
> odd t
> hat the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
> shut d
> own when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
>
> -- XDP
> 4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> by: bo
> bbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
>
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resist
> or sho
> uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be
> a con
> flict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original me
> ssage
> --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>
>
> gt; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the
> 4.7k
> ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
> Note
> the color coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> g
> t;
> ;
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use t
>
> &
> gt; he dra
> wing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to h
> ave op
> erational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections
> are th
> e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
>
> a
> ttached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The
> numbe
> rs can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware
> 5.00
> and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initializatio
> n. Wit
> hout the pull-down the signal
> &g
> t; >
> ; stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> g
> t; sho
> uld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> g
> t;
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Product
> s For
> Aircraft
>
>
>
> gt; R
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox
> .
>
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> pa
> rt wit
> h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable dir
> ect fr
> om the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> BR
> ; Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> BR
> ; need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> >
> ;
>
>
> gt; little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
>
> What P
> hatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
>
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational iss
> ues wi
> th the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> BR
> ; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections
> are th
> e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They c
> an be
> seen on the
> Ph
> atBox
> connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-devi
> ce con
> figurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device i
> nitial
> ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> sho
>
>
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. Ho
> wever,
> you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
> Email
>
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> gt; g
> t;
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> Aircr
> aft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
>
>
> What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> themodification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
>
> ; me
> BR wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> not wo
> rking:
>
> &
> gt;
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware up
> date?
> Im not sure
> if
> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly
> connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bo
> bbybra
> un@comcast.net
>
> g
> t; Yes
> , and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>
> gt; g
> t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x
> which
> is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are y
> ou run
> ning the 7.0 version of t
> he Son
> y Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
> wrote
> :
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and
> the pr
> oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>
> ; Phat
> box.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
> ;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> gt; R -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> ue. Be
> low are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *wil
> l
>
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor
> betwee
> n ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> Wha
> t Matt
> Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
>
> gt;
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that m
> atches
> >
> ;
> best your installation.
>
>
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message
> from M
> ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec
> t
>
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attac
> hed a
> PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> can b R
> e seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at
> all ti
>
> &
> gt; mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should li
> sten
> BR to
>
>
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
> tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > R>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>
> sugge
> sted
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k oh
> ms ins
> tead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> ation.
>
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>
>
> gt; wouldn't mi
> nd me
> using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> gt; R
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor
> betwe
> en ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
> le you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you
> might
> find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin
> numbe
> rs and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
>
> Depend
> ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Son
> y firm
> ware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operati
> onal i
> ssues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> ough P
> hatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> Fo
> r refe
> rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description
> of the
> connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
>
> &
> gt; g
> t;
> ; PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> 6.00 a
> nd an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> gt; g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> g
> t; Aft
> >
> er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, yo
> u shou
> ld listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> BR
> ; 94551
>
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>
> ;
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Produ
> cts Fo
> r Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
>
> p
> l
> ugged
> in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >
> ;
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message p
> osted
> by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 vers
> ion of
> the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as so
> on as
> the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
>
> g
> t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> s inst
> ead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
> illing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bo
> ttom o
> f a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> &
> gt; From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on ho
> w the
> Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are
> for re
> ference only and you might find
> BR
> ; you n
> eed
> to int
> erpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> >
> ; What
> Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
>
>
> gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> g
> t;
> <
> BR>>
> ; g
> t;
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox
> conne
> ctor.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configur
> ations
> . I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
>
>
>
>
> gt; with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays
> high
> (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset.
> He wo
> uld kno
> w best
> about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001
> V | 92
> 5-6
> 06-628
> 1 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> ommuni
> &
> gt; &g
> t; cates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> BR
> ; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn'
> t mind
> me using to get myself a
> cable
> direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> &g
> t;
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
>
> BR
> ; and what not might be different depending on
> the ve
> rsion of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>
> littl
> e
> with respect to colors and pin numbers
> and w
> hat not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> >
> ; What
> Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> are (u
> pgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Drall
>
> e
>
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a messag
> e from
>
> M
> ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> c
> onfigu
> rations. I'm not sure if fi
> rmware
> &
> gt; 6.
> 00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> ;
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
> n input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
> &
> gt; &g
> t;
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt
> G
>
> Dralle
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.c
> om Ema
> il
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
> ;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ W
> WW | F
> eaturing Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
> matron
> ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>
>
>
>
>
> g
> t;
> ;
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
> A | 94
> 551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.co
> m Emai
> l
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> QUOTE
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics |
> PO Bo
> x 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> ist/se
> arch
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> g
> t; htt
> p://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F |
> dralle
> @matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, I've thought about all that already, but here is the thing, I can't get
> any
> audio to be recognized by the 4000x through it's Analog Changer Inputs. The
> only
> reason I know it sounds bad is because I hooked a set of headphones up to the
> phatbox to test if any audio was present and when I listened it sounded
> horrible, (if not mono). I listened to the same exact mp3 file that was being
> played on the PB back inside on my computer through the same headset using the
> crappy non 24bit burr brown outputs of my laptop and it sounded 1000x more full
> and realistic, so that worries me. And the fact that I can't get any audio to
> play back when plugged into the analog changer inputs worries me even more, I
> really hope this thing didn't s
> omehow
> damage my 4000x, there is no way I want to
> send it off to Sony and let them hack away at it like they did with my last C90
> I sent them...
>
> I have done a full reset from the C90 and still nothing. I'll test out my other
> equipment that I know was working beforehand tomorrow and then I'll know more,
> but that still doesn't change the issue with the terrible sound output of the
> PB.
>
> ------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Great news!
>
> Couple of things come to mind with respect to your new audio woes. Digital vs
> Analog input on the 4000x is only negotiated on reset (button on C90), so with
> all the plugging around, make sure that you set things up like you want, then
> press that reset button.
> >
>
> Second, the "tinny" sound might be because you've selected an unprogrammed
> EQ/Xover setting on the 4000x. The default setting has some of the Xover
> settings off or highly attenuated.
>
> Plug your PC back into the 4000x and double check all of your EQ and XO memory
> locations, and then make sure you select the right ones on the HU.
>
> Almost there!
>
> Matt
>
> BR
> ;
> At 08:13 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Ok, I went ahead and clipped the reset wire and now the PB actually works in
my
> system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my
> processor is not accepting analog audio at the analog changer input any longer
> (and it used to just fine)... I did test and there is audio at the outputs of
> the PB, but it doesn't s
> ound r
> ight at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull highs.
>
> I threw my cd changer back in to see if my processor would accept analog audio
> from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer
> either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand since I always
> used
> the digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
>
> I have yet to try my
> XM uni
> t, which I know the analog outs used to work on
> since those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in my
> system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late and
I
> don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
>
> So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially
> convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said
> before it sounds really bad, and now I'm
> worrie
> d that something is broken
> inside
> of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check
> everything out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> C
> ut the
> reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that
> line
> down and never letting anyone else init.
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
> short
> of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
> it
> split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and
> XM re
> spectively. Here's a list
> of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
>
> Phatbox (PB) plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
> up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
>
> g
> t; XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30:
> PB
> powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
> PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
> Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the
> 4000x
> , PB plugged into input of
> XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
> disappear,
> C90 only sees the PB.
>
> g
> t;
> ; Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
> the
> system without the PB.
>
> Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
> down
> and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both sides
> besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a
> thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
> problem
> is...lol
>
> Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
> but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
> to
> have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the
> reset
> line
> cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used b
> ut fac
> tory original PB
> cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than
> it
> was made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has
> been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables
> that
> were made before the modification was put in place.
>
> I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
> all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
> Ahhhh!
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Well, if you're handy with a soldering i
> ron, I
> would try both the higher
> resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hur
> t the
> equipment.
> Well,
> unless you miss wire something... :-)
>
> The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger
> slave
> on
> the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
> has
> a
> class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
> some
> examples:
>
> CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
> MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
>
>
> gt;
> On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for
> each
> device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
> "I'm
> Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> particular device to use. The address
> is a
> combination of the device class
> (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
>
> An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
> powered
> up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
> device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
> protocol
> sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole ne
> w bus
>
> address
> negotiation.
>
> The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
> The
> closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
> happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
> connectivity
> to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
> On
> the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a devi
> ce in
> the
> stream,
> so
> negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
>
> The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
> Changer
> class so you have to be really careful t
> hat it
> is either directly plugged
> into
> the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
>
> That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
> the
> 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
> wanted
> to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a
> while
> to
> figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've written
> an
> embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
> microcontroller and I was able t
> o writ
> e a negotiation routing that is 100%
> compatible with
> the m
> aster/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
> surly
> Phatbox could.
>
> If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here
> on
> my
> two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
> tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
> I
> did
> not try it with it instal
> led ho
> wever so I'll give it another try.
>
> So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
> resistor
> could be the problem, huh?
>
>
> &g
> t; -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> plugging
> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
> Phatbox
>
> ; dire
> ctly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
> but
> I
> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you
> a
> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
> is
> the
> >
> ; only
> other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> modification
>
> gt; g
> t; of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
> unit
> for
> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
> that
> in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
> not
> sure
> if that woul
> d help
> but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
> when
> directly connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could c
> ause a
> problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
> Phatbox
> is
> g
> t;
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
> and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down
> when
> the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 v
> &
> gt; er
> sion
> of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
> installed
> as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
> plugged
> in
> my
> 4000x
> powers
> down,
> the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
> the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
> of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
> that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me us
> ing to
> get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> I'm
> g
> t;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
> to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> you
> *will
> nee
> d*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note
> the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of
> cable
> you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > R>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> gt;
> ;
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> A
> re you
> using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
> are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with
> the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> back
> when:
>
>
> gt; g
> t; "We changed cab
> le man
> ufacturers since Matt purchased his
> system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
> to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
> seen
>
> gt;
> ; on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
> head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master si
>
> g
> nal.
> It is an input. It
> is
> used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
> the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
> knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
> The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few s
> econds
> . However, you
> should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using
> the
> C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@ma
> tronic
> s.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Produc
> ts For
> Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
> installed
> as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
> plugged
> in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with
> the
> BR
> ; Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
> of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
> that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody hel
> p?
> &g
> t; >
> ;
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
> to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground
> and th
> e blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of
> cable
> you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.
> pdf > R
> <
> BR> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
> are
> using
> g
> t;
> ; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
>
> connec
> tions are the same but the colors are different. You want
> to
> conne
> ct a <
> BR> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
>
> gt; An
> unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
> head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
> the
> signal
> g
> t;
>
> ; sta
> ys high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
> knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
> The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you
> should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
>
> g
> t;
> ; Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
> >
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> gt; g
> t;
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
> Phatbox
> is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
> and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
> the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
>
> g
> t; -------------- Original message --------------
> From: M
> att Dr
> alle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
>
>
> gt; suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
> the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with f
> or som
> e cash, or a photo
> of the
> bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
>
> g
> t; need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> >
> ; with
> respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www
> .matro
> nics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
>
> gt;
> ; Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
>
> "We c
> hanged cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires. I
>
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> will
> work
> with any multi
> -devic
> e conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
>
> &g
> t; used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a
> reset
> after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Fea
> turing
> Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I
> had th
> e cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seeme
> d to b
> e a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
>
>
>
> ;
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> g
> t; a
> BR little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pd
> f
>
>
> Depending on what version of cable you ha
> ve, th
> ings might be a
> little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> wh
> en: > R
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description
> of th
> e connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> gt; g
> t;
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble kn
> owing
>
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connecte
> d, it
> will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
> ;
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> g
> t;
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Air
> craft
>
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
>
>
> What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
> is
> the
> only other difference shown in your diagramth
> at was
> n't done in
> themodification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
> unit
> for
> me
> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
> that
> in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
>
> g
> t; not
> sure
>
> if > R> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly
> connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustra
> ting,
> the C90 knows the
> Phatbox
> is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
> and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> ------
> ------
> -- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are yo
> u runn
> ing the 7.0 version of t
> he Son
> y Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're <
> BR>>
> ; willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
>
> ;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
>
> gt; g
> t; -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
>
> g
> t; links are for reference only and you might fin
> d you
> need to
> interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> Wha
> t Matt
> Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> BR
> ; different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message
> from M
> ike Woo at Pha
> tnoise
> way back when:
> g
> t;
> ;
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly
> conne
> cted to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
>
> g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is w
> ith th
> e bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
>
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
>
> ;
> tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> &
> gt;
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
>
>
> gt; Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
>
>
> gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original messa
> ge ---
> -----------
>
> From:
> Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
>
>
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin
> numbe
> rs and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/Sony
> Cable5
> .pdf
>
> Depen
> ding o
> n what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> Fo
> r refe
> rence, here is a message from Mik
> e Woo
> at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed
> descri
> ption of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
>
> gt;
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
>
> gt; g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatB
> ox has
> trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is c
> onnect
> ed, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> ;
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> 94551
>
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matroni
> cs | P
> O Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products F
> or Air
> craft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
> Phatbox
> is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> pl
> ugged
> g
> t;
> in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
> the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> BR At 07:27 PM 4/17
> /2006
> Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> s inst
> ead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of inf
> ormati
> on.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original mess
> age --
> ------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
>
> gt;
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are
> for re
> ference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
>
> ;
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matro
> nics.c
> om/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your P
> hatbox
> ? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> system.
> The
> connections are the same
> but th
> e colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> >
> ; I > R> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not s
> ure if
> firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays
> high
> (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> A
> fter t
> he Ph
> atBox
> is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
>
>
> gt; gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> ommuni
> cates with the
> Phatbo
> x.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> g
> t; sin
> ce
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
>
>
> gt; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need* > R>
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
>
> BR
> ; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> BR
> ; interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>
> g
> t; different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbo
> x? If
> you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Drall
> e
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
>
> gt;
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> g
> t;
> ; A
> n unmo
> dified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
> n input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
>
> ;
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
>
> &
> gt; Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> g
> t;
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
> ;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermo
> re | C
> A | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
> matron
> ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore
>
> 9
> 25-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
> tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
> I
> did
> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>
> So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
> resistor
> could be the problem, huh?
>
> -------------- Original message -------------
> -
>
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> plugging
> the Phatbox into the system using one
> of the
> se. Basically
> C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
> Phatbox
> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
> but
> I
> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you
> a
> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>
> Matt
>
>
> gt;
>
> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> What do you kn
> ow abo
> ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> modification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
> unit
> for
> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
>
> &g
> t; Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
>
> the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
> when
> directly connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message -----------
> --- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
>
> -- XD
> P4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 k
> nows t
> he Phatbox
> is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
>
> ; -- X
> DP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version
> of the
> Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plug
> ged in
>
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>
> gt; Ph
> atbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
>
> gt;
> ; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> ;
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the P
> hatbox
> -Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what
> not mi
> ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> g
> t;
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your in
> stalla
> tion.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
> If yo
> u are
> using
>
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> orang
>
>
> gt; e (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when direct
> ly con
> nected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem
> is wit
> h the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> g
> t;
> ; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
> BR
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
> &
> gt;
>
>
>
>
>
> gt; Ma
> tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still
> there.
> .. as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
>
> gt; g
> t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bott
> om of
> a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running ou
> t of o
> ptions here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
> wire.
> Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
>
>
> gt; The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers
> and wh
> at not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> d
> iffere
>
> ;
> nt.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his syst
> em. Th
> e
> connections are the same but t
> he col
> ors are different. You want to
> connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> orang
> e (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.
> 00 and
> an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> a
> rbitra
> tion during device initialization. Without
> the p
> ull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset aft
> er a f
> ew seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> ore |
> CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> g
> t;
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
> >
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
> a comp
> lete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
>
> is > R there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message
> poste
> d by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
> g
> t;
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> by: bo
> bbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
>
>
> gt; Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> &g
> t; som
> eone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original me
> ssage
> --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>
> ;
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable
> :
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> g
>
> gt;
> ; t;
> ;
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> g
> t; g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >
> ; conn
> ections
> are th
> e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> ;
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initializatio
> n. Wit
> hout the pull-down the signal
> >
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
>
> gt;
> ; right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; htt
> p://ww
> w.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> gt; R
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still th
> ere...
> as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare So
> ny Pha
> tbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> BR
> ; Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some <
> BR>>
> ; information on how the Phatbox-S
> ony ca
> bles are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
>
> What P
> hatbox Said:
>
> gt; g
> t;
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your instal
> lation
> .
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> gt; g
> t;
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections
> are th
> e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox co
> nnecto
> r.
>
>
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device i
> nitial
> ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> ;
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best a
> bout u
> sing the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > R
>
>
> gt; g
> t;
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
> g
> t;
> ;
>
>
> What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> the
> only ot
> her di
> fference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> themodification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
> unit
> for
> me
> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> not wo
> rking:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> in
> the
>
>
> gt; diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> if
> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly
> connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -----
> ------
> --- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalle
> d the
> firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
>
> gt; g
> t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
> Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> he Son
> >
> ; y Ph
> atbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and
> the pr
> oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>
> ; Phat
> box.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
>
> ;
> >
> ; runn
> ing out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-L
> ist me
> ssage posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> ue. Be
> low are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
>
> g
> t; Wha
> t Matt
> Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cabl
> e-Rev1
> .pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that m
> atches
> best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operati
> onal i
> ssues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message
> from M
> ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (b
> us mas
> ter) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>
>
> gt; (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> can b
> e seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
>
> g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> g
> t;
> ; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
>
> the <
> BR> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
>
>
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
> g
> t;
> ;
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
> tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system rese
> ts and
> the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> g
> t;
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> ation.
>
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
>
>
> gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matroni
> cs.com
>
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. No
> te tha
> t you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
> le you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to col
> ors an
> d pin
> numbe
> rs and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> >
>
> g
> t; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> ough P
> hatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> Fo
> r refe
> rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> ha
> ve
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to
> a hea
> d unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> 6.00 a
> nd an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> gt; g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> gt; g
> t;
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
> <
> BR>
> gt;
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> BR
> ; 94551
>
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> gt; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> there,
> and can con
> trol i
> t just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
>
> p
> l
> ugged
> in. I find i
> t odd
> that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net > R
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> >
> ; my <
> BR> 4000x
>
> g
> t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> s inst
> ead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>
> g
> t; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on ho
> w the
> Pha
> tbox-S
> ony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the
> 4.7k o
> hm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are
> for re
> ference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matroni
> cs.com
> /xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
>
>
> gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on y
> our Ph
> atbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
>
> For r
> eference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox
> conne
> ctor.
>
> A
>
> n unmo
>
> dified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays
> high
> (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
>
> gt;
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset.
> He wo
> uld know best
> about
> using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> g
> t;
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> ommuni
> cates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
>
> ; BRg
> t;
> ; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Pha
> tbox c
> able they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>
> g
> t; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
>
> BR
> ; and what not might be different depending on
> the ve
> rsion of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only
> and yo
> u might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatb
> ox-Cab
> le-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> are (u
> g
> t;
> ; pgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Drall
> e
>
>
> >
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbe
> rs can
> not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> c
> onfigu
> rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
>
> The p
> roblem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
> n input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-do
> wn the
>
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
>
> ;
> Matt G
> Dralle
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For A
> ircraf
> t
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
> ;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
> Email
>
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
> matron
> ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
> A | 94
> 551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
> ;
>
>
>
> QUOTE
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronic
> s | PO
> Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
> short
> of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
> itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. H
> ere's
> a
> list
> of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
>
> Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
> up
> fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30:
> PB
> powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
> PB.
> XA-C30 plugged in
> to the
> Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
>
> ; Radi
> o both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
> XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
> disappear,
> C90 only sees the PB.
>
> Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
> the
> system without the PB.
>
> Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
> down
> and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both
> &g
> t; sid
> esbesides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't
> learn a
> thing from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
> problem
> is...lol
>
> Matt, I may just take
> you u
> p on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
> but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
> to
> have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
> cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original
> PBcable
> from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it was
> made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has been
> made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that
> were
> made before the modification was put in place.
>
> I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or b
> lunt n
> ear me after I finished
> all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
> Ahhhh!
>
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
> resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
> unless you miss wire something... :-)
>
> The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger slave
> on
> the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
> has
> a
> class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
> some
> examples:
>
> CD Changer: CD Chan
> gers,
> Phatbox, XA-300
> MD Changer: MD Chan
> gers,
> XM Radio (original Sony box)
> Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> Processors: 210, 4000x
> , inte
> rnal Bass/Treble
>
> On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for
> each
> device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
> "I'm
> Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
> (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
>
> An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
> powered
> up. If the HU discover
> s that
> there is anything different (new or missing
> device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
> protocol
> sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
>
> addre
> ss
> negotiation.
>
> The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
> The
> closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
> asical
> ly what
> happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
> connectivity
> to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
> On
> the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
> stream,
> so
> negotiation goes from Po
> rt 1 t
> o Port 2 to Port 3.
>
> The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
> Changer
> class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
> into
> the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
>
> That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
> th
> e
>
> 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
> wanted
> to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a
> while
> to
> figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> addressing that way, but I didn't really g
> et an
> answer back. I've written an
> g
> t; emb
> edded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
> microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
> compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
> surly
> Phatbox could.
>
> If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
> my
> two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> &g
> t; --
> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to see if i
> t had
> an effect. This last time I
> did
> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>
> So you don't think the reset line in yo
> ur dia
> gram or a higher value resistor
> could be the problem, huh?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> plugging
> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have
> tried
> &
> gt; th
> at at some point, but
> I
> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
> rote:
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> the
> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> modification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
>
>
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> >
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> i
> f that
> would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
>
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled
> since
> it
> is pl
> ugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dral
> le
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>
> sugge
> sted
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> &
> gt; th
> ere seemed to be a conf
> lict o
> f information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> gt; g
> t;
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on
> how th
> e Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different dependi
> ng on
> the version of cable you
> have.
> The
>
> gt; g
> t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> ;
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
>
> gt; Us
> e the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>
> PhatMa
> nager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
>
> gt; g
> t; "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> g
> t;
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-
> device
>
> co
> nfigur
> ations. I'm not
> sure
> if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should the
> n forc
> e a reset
> after
> a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281
> F | d
> ralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> BR
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the P
> hatbox
> is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> so
> meone
>
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can any
> body h
> elp?
>
> -------------- Original messa
> ge ---
> -----------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>
> ;
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate a
> little
> with respec
> t to c
> olors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What P
> hatbox
> Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> ;
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
>
> ;
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and oran
> ge (gr
> ound) wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
>
>
> gt; ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
>
> Firmw
> are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
>
> gt;
> &g
> t; ; t
> he
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>
> g
> t; PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> gt;
> g
> t;
> ;
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 9
> 25-606
> -6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So f
> rustra
> ting, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>
> g
> t; there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
> <
> BR>
> At 0
> 7:27 P
> M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> g
> t;
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB t
> hat R someone
> wo
> uldn't
> mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody h
> elp? <
> BR>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
>
>
> gt; links ar
> e for
> reference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.co
> m/xdp4
> 000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
> If yo
> u are using
> anything els
> e, you
> are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed descriptio
> n of t
> he connections
> (So
> nyCabl
> e5.pdf).
>
> g
> t;
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
>
>
> g
> t; is
>
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown
> . The
>
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
> Produc
> ts For Ai
> rcraft
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since > R>
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
>
>
> gt; g
> t; wouldn
> 't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the v
> ersion
> of cable you
> have.
> g
> t;
> g
> t;
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
>
> ; ; > R
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgrad
> eable
> through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description
> of th
> e connecti
>
> ;
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> >
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times.
> Thus
> the
> PhatB
> ox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
> gt; g
> t;
> ;
>
> &g
> t; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
>
>
> What do you know abou
> t the
>
> ;
> reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> themodification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> me
> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well
> its a
> pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> if
>
> gt;
> ; that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly
> connected to the head unit?
>
> ;
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
> Phatbo
> x is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still b
> e reco
> gnized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -
> ------
> ------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> he Son
> y Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>
> ;
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
> plugg
> ed in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
>
> Still
> wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
> ;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> --
> ------
> ------ Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> g
> t; inf
> ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wire
> d. Not
> e that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
>
>
> Wha
> t Matt
> Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
>
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have op
> eratio
> nal issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt
> Drall
> e
>
>
> For reference, here is a message
> from M
> ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> g
> t;
> ; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when dir
> ectly
> connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-dev
> ice > R> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
> work
>
> g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>
> a
> rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few secon
> ds. Ho
> wever, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
> tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001
> V | 9
> 25-606-6281 F | dralle
> @matro
> nics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there
> ... as
> soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>
> BR
> ;
>
> gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of option
> s here
> . Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------
> ------
>
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
>
> g
> t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin
> numbe
> rs and what not:
>
> ;
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> W
> hat Ph
> atbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>
>
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> g
> t;
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> Fo
> r refe
> rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
>
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>
>
> gt; y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
>
> gt;
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> gt; g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> ;
>
> &g
> t; Aft
> er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shut
> down.
> The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> 94551
>
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==========================================
> ======
> ================== > R
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | F
> eaturi
> ng Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> pl
> ugged
> in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>
> ;
>
> gt; g
> t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrot
> e:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
>
> gt;
> ; and the problem is still there... as soo
> n as t
> he Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> s inst
> ead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> ---------
> -----
> Original message -
> ------
> -------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
>
> -
> - XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are
> for re
> ference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to
> colors
> and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.c
> om/xdp
> 4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> <
> BR> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
>
> BR Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
>
> gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (S
> onyCab
> le5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
>
>
> gt; An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> wor
> k
>
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays
> high
> (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and
> then
> shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a rese
> t afte
> r a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resi
> ster i
> nstalled as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> ommuni
> cates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>
> s
> ince
> there seemed t
> o be a
> conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
>
> gt; --
> ------------ Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
>
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
>
> BR
> ; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> &g
> t; hav
> e.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>
>
> gt; little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> g
> t;
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going
> to ha
> ve operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Drall
>
> e
>
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
>
>
> gt; a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The number
> s can
> not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
> &
> gt; > R> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
>
> ;
> n input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
>
> g
> t; right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>
> g
> t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraf
> t
>
>
> g
> t;
> ;
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
> ;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
> matron
>
>
> gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>
>
>
>
>
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial install
> ation
> I tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
> did
> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>
> So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
> resistor
> could be the problem, huh?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> gt; g
> t; From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> plugging
> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
> I
> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loan
> ing yo
> u a
> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> g
> t;
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> What do you kn
> ow abo
> ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
>
> o
> nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> modification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be c
> ut. I
> didnt do
> this <
> BR> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message -----------
>
> gt; g
> t; --- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there, and
> can co
> ntrol it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> &g
> t; Pha
> tbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version
> of the
> Sony Phatbox firmware? R
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@com
> cast.n
> et
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a wor
> king s
> pare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
>
> gt;
> ; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
> a
> ble d
>
> irect from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what
> not mi
> ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are
> for r
> eference only
> and y
> ou might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Mat
> t Foun
> d on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your in
> stalla
> tion.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
>
>
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at P
> hatnoi
> se way back
> when:
>
> "We changed
> cable
> manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> orang
> e (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF w
> ith a
> detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
>
> t is
> a
> n input. It is used
> for
> g
> t;
> ; arbitration during device initializat
> ion. W
> ithout the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> gt; Ma
> tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>
> g
> t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
> il
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> &g
> t;
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
>
> gt; g
> t;Anyone out there with
> a wor
> king spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
> runnin
> g out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> >
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
>
>
> wire.
> Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http:/
> /www.m
> atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, thin
> gs mig
> ht be a little
>
> d
> iffere
> nt.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
> his s
> ystem. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> BR
> ; connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> orang
> e (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.
> pdf).
>
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
>
> gt; g
> t; The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>
>
> a
> rbitra
> tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> shoul
> d then
> force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> ore |
> CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> Aircra
> ft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featu
> ring P
> roducts For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, an
> d I ev
> en reinstalled the firmware and did
> a comp
> lete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
> shut d
> own when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matron
> ics.co
> m
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> by: bo
> bbybraun@comcast.net
>
> &g
> t; Wel
> l I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resist
> or sho
>
> ;
> uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original me
> ssage
> --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> &
> gt;
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> BR
> ; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
> Note
> the color coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> g
> t;
> ;
> What Phatbox Said:
>
>
> h
> ttp://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different
> .
>
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to h
> ave op
> erational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
> his s
> ystem. The
> connections
> are th
> e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on th
> e
>
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware
> 5.00
> and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
>
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initializatio
> n. Wit
> hout the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using th
> e C90.
>
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> g
>
> g
> t; t;
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> gt; R
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>
> ;
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> > pa
> rt wit
> h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> BR
> ; Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>
> gt; g
> t; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>
>
> >
> ; gt;
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
>
> What P
> hatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
>
> ; atro
> ni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> BR
> ; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "W
> e chan
> ged cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
> his sy
> stem. The
> connections
> are th
> e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-devi
>
> gt; g
> t; ce con
> figurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> &
> gt; ar
> bitration during device i
> nitial
> ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
> BR BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
> Email
>
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> gt; g
> t;
>
>
> ==================================================
> ======
> ==========
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.
> com/ W
> WW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
>
>
> What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> the
> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> themodification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
>
> ; me
> BR wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> not wo
> rking:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not ma
> tter b
> ut I could be wrong.
> The o
> ther thing was that in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> if
> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly
> connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> g
> t; Yes
> , and I even reinsta
> lled t
> he firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>
> gt; g
> t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
> >
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> he Son
> y Phatbox firmware?
>
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
> wrote
> :
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and
> the pr
> oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phat
> box. <
> BR> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a
> worki
> ng spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
> ;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> gt; R -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> ue. Be
> low are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground a
> nd the
> blue wire. Note the color > R>
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> Wha
> t Matt
> Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
>
> gt;
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
>
> Use the drawing that m
> atches
> best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeab
> le thr
> ough PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message
> from M
> ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec
> t
>
> a
> 1
> 0k res
> istor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> can b
> e seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> &g
> t;
> g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is us
> ed for
>
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at
> all ti
> mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
>
>
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
>
> gt; g
> t; tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Emai
> l
>
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>
> sugge
> sted
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> ation.
>
> g
> t;
> ;
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>
>
> gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> <
> BR>>
> ; -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> gt; R
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
>
> gt; g
> t; the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
> le you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin
> numbe
> rs and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http
> ://www
> .m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
>
>
> gt; De
> pend
> ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> ough P
> hatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> Fo
> r refe
> rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the co
> lors a
> re different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires
> . I > R> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description
> of the
> connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> 6.00 a
> nd an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> gt; g
>
> t
> ; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> g
> >
> ; t; A
> ft
> er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
>
> gt; g
> t; ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> BR
> ; 94551
>
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>
> ;
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http:/
> /www.m
> atronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
> Produ
> cts For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
>
> p
> l
> ugged
> in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.
> com > R
> -- XDP4000X-List message p
> osted
> by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
> &g
> t;
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
>
> g
> t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that res
> istor
> should've been 10k ohm
> s inst
> ead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
> illing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
>
> -
> ------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below
> are t
> wo links to some
> information on ho
> w the
> Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are
> for re
> ference only and you might find
> BR
> ; you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
>
> gt; g
> t; What Phatbox Said:
>
> &g
> t;
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
>
>
> gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way b
> ack wh
> en:
>
> gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>
> h
> ave
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox
> conne
> ctor.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodi
> fied c
> able will
> work
>
>
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays
> high
> (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is conn
> ected,
> it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset.
> He wo
> uld know best ab
> out us
> ing the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-6
> 06-628
> 1 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets an
> d the
> C90only c
> ommuni
> cates with the Phatbox.
> Still wonde
> ring i
> f that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> BR
> ; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a
> cable
> direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
>
>
> gt; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color > R>
> coding
>
> BR
> ; and what not might be different depending on
> the ve
> rsion of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers
> and w
> hat not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> ;
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Mak
> e sure
> you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> are (u
> pgradeable through PhatManager).
>
>
> Matt D
> rall
> e
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a messag
> e from
> Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cab
> le sho
> uld work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >
> ; c > R> onfigu
> rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> ;
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
> n input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBo
> x
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G
> Dralle
> 1
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.c
> om Ema
> il
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
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> Ok, I went ahead andclipped thereset wire and nowthe PBactually works in my
> system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my
> processor is not accepting analog audio at the anal
> og cha
> ngerinput any longer
> (and it used to just fine)... Idid testand there is audio at the outputs of the
> PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull highs.
>
> I threw my cd changerback in to see if my processor would accept analog audio
> from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer
> either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand sinc
> e I al
> ways used
> the digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
>
> I have yet to try my XM unit, which I know the analog outs used to work on
> since those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in my
> system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late and
I
> don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
>
> So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially <
> BR>>
> ; convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said
> before it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken
> inside
> of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check
> everything out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Drall
> e dral
> le@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Cut the reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that line
> down and never letting anyone else init.
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
> short
>
> o
> f unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
> it
> split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a list
> of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
>
> Phatbox (PB) plugged directly int
> o the
> Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
>
> up fin
> e and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30: PB
> powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
> PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB pow
> ers up
> fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
> Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
> XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
> disappear,
> C90 only sees the PB.
>
> BR
> ;
> gt; g
> t;Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
> the
> system without the PB.
>
> Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
> down
> and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both sides
> besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a
> thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
> problem
> is...lol
>
> Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
>
> >
> but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going to
> have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
> cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original PB
>
> gt; ca
> ble from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than
> it
> was made by Phatnoise) or age o
> f the
> cable so I don't know how recent it has
> been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables
> that
> were made before the modification was put in place.
>
> I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
> all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
> Ahhhh!
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X
> -List
> message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
> resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equi
> pment.
> Well,
> unless you miss wire something... :-)
>
> The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger sla
> ve
> on
> the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has
> a
> class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
> some
> examples:
>
> CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
> MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
>
> On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
> device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will
> respo
> nd with "I'm
> Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> pa
> rticul
> ar device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
> (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (lo
> w nibb
> le).
>
> An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
> powered
> up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
> device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a protocol
> sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
> address
> negotiation.
>
> The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
> The
> closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
> happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
> connectivity
> >
> ; to a
> ll of the slaves down stream until i
> t rece
> ives an address from the HU. On
> the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the stream,
> so
>
> ;
> negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
>
> The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
> Changer
> class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
> into
> the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
>
> That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the
> 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
> wanted
> to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
> to
> figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> addressing that way, but I did
> n't re
> ally get an
> answe
> r back. I've written an
> embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
> microco
> ntroll
> er and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
> compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
> surly
> Phatbox could.
>
> If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
> my
> two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
>
> did
> BR not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>
> g
>
> &g
> t; t;
> ;So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
> could be the problem, huh?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> plugging
> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
> Phatbox
> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
> I
> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> XA-C30 if you pr
> g
> t;
> ; omise
> on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message
> posted
> by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> the
> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> modification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> the > R
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> in
> the
> d
> iagram
> you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly connected to
> the he
> ad unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> g
> t;
> ;
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> BR
> ; it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> --
> XDP400
> &
> gt; 0X
> -List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
>
> ; in
> BR my
> 4000x
> powers
> down,
> the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a So
> ny PB
> that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
>
> -
> ------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> BR
> ; Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the versi
> on of
> cable
> you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and
> pin n
> umbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp40
> 00x/So
> nyCable5.pd
> f
>
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
> are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> gt; g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> back
> when:
>
> "We changed
> cable
> manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are diffe
> rent.
> You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
> g
> t;
> ;
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
> seen
> on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the
> bus m
> g
>
> &g
> t; t;
> ;aster signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
> the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
> knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
> The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> g
> t;
> ; Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>
>
> gt; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
> Produ
> cts For Aircraft
>
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're > R
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a ph
> oto of
> the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original messa
> ge ---
> -----------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> s
> ome > R information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only
> and y
> ou might find you need to
> interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> gt;
> ;
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.
> m
>
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
>
>
> gt; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using
> 7.0 S
> ony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect a
> g
> t;
> ; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange
> (groun
> d)
> wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly co
> nnecte
> d to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> multi-device
> configuration
> s. I'm
> not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
>
> &g
> t; right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot
> and t
> hen shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> BR
> ; listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@m
> atroni
> cs.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-628
> 1 F |
> dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Air
>
>
> craft
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
> the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
>
> gt;
> ; -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 vers
> ion of
> &
> gt; th
> e Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in > R my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
>
> gt; g
> t; someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factor
> y?
> > I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> g
> t;
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might f
> ind > R you n
> eed to inter
> polate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-C
> able-R
> ev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> g
> t;
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
>
>
> gt; t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
>
> conne
> ct
> &
> gt; a
>
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmo
> dified
> cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
>
> g
> t; igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> whe
> n
>
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know be
> st abo
> ut using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
> gt;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>
>
> gt; suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 40
> 00x > R> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a worki
> ng spa
> re Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
>
>
> gt; running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-So
> ny cab
> les are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be differ
> ent de
> pendi
> ng on
> the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
>
> ;
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony fi
> rmware
> on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anyth
> ing el
> se, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We
> chang
> ed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> gt; > R An u
> nmodif
> ied cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable w
> orks w
> ith simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> sho > R
> uld th
> en force a reset after a
> few s
> econds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> gt; > R
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
> ;
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
>
>
>
> gt;
> ; What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> the
> only other difference shown in your diagram
> that w
> asn't done in
> themodification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> me
> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower dow
> n it s
> eemed that they fixed that with a fir
> mware
> update? Im not
> sure
> if
> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly
> connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message -------------- > R>
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shut
> s down
>
> whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be
> recogn
> ized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> he Son
> y Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At
> &
> gt; 07
> :27
> PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets
> and th
> e C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> par
> t with
> for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
>
> ;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > R>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information
> on how
> the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor be
> tween
> ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> Wha
> t Matt
> Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/
> xdp400
> 0x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
>
>
> gt; Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>
> diffe
> rent.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message
> from M
> ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We chang
> ed cab
> le manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attach
> ed a P
> DF with a detailed description
> of the
> connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if f
> irmwar
> e 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
>
> g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initial
> ize it
> self.
>
> After the PhatBox i
> s conn
> ected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> g
> t;
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
> tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as > R suggested
> and the problem is stil
> l ther
> e... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wonder
> ing if
> that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
>
>
> gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
>
> ;
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> by: M
> att Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
>
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> T
> he
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin
> numbe
> rs and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
>
> gt; cs
> .com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
>
> ;
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-400
> 0x. > R> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> Fo
> r refe
> rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> co
> nnect
>
> gt; > R a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> &g
> t; con
> figurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
>
> g
> t;
> ; gt; g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device ini
> tializ
> ation. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> gt; > R Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Mat
> ronics
> 94551
>
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> BR
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> pl
> ugged
> in.
> I find
> it odd that the
> Phatb
> ox can still be recognize
> d and
>
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> ;
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90
> only
> communicates wi
> th the
>
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> s inst
> ead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> so
> meone
>
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the
> Phatbo
> x-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and th
> e blue
> wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending
> on the
> version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are
> for re
> ference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little > R
> differen
> t.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp
> -4000x
> .
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> system. > R
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attach
> ed a P
> DF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple mul
> ti-dev
> ice
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
>
>
> gt; work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays
> high
> (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> g
> t;
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle |
> Matro
> nics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> s
>
> u
> ggest
> ed
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> ommuni
> cates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to ge
> t myse
> lf a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody hel
> p?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matron
> ics.co
> m
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
>
> BR
> ; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
>
> ;
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found o
> n his
> cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phat
> box Sa
> id:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>
> ;
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Drall
> e
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >
>
> connections are t
> he sam
> e but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
>
> ;
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
>
>
> gt; t is a
> n input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initial
> izatio
> n. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regardi
> ng pus
> hing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http
> ://www
> .matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
> >
>
> gt;
> ;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
> matron
> ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Bo
> x 347
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@mat
> ronics
> .com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
> did
> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it
> anothe
> r try.
>
> So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
> could be the problem, huh?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
>
> -- XDP
> 4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> plugging
> the Phatbox into the system
> using
> one of these. Basically
> C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
> I
> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List mess
> age po
> sted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> What do you kn
>
>
> ow abo
> ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> modification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> me wrote after I contacted
> him t
> he last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> if that would help but you might want to ask
> Matt.
> Does it still work when
> dir
> ectly
> connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message -----------
> --- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> BR
> ; Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> <
> BR>>
> ; Are you running the 7.0 version
> of the
> Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-Li
> st mes
> sage posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
>
>
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
>
> gt;
> ; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to g
> et mys
> elf a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> BR
> ; -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted b
> y: Mat
> t Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what
> not mi
> ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com
>
> &
> gt;
> gt; g
> t; /xdp40
> 00x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your in
> stalla
> tion.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For r
> eferen
> ce, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers s
> ince M
> att purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the c
> olors
> are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> orang
> e (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an
> unmod
> ified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master s
> ignal.
> It is an input. It is used
> for
> g
> t;
> ; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays
> high
> (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few
> second
> s. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> gt; Ma
> tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dr
> alle@m
> atronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon
> as th <
> BR>>
> ; e Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
>
> gt; g
> t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable dir
> ect fr
> om the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@
> matron
> ics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how
> the P
> hatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
> wire.
> Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
>
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> BR
> ; http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> d
> iffere
> nt.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on yo
> ur Pha
> tbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike W
> oo at
> Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> orang
> e (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when direc
> tly c
> o
>
> nnected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
>
> ;
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> a
> rbitra
> tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
> > R>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
>
> ore |
> CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
> a comp
> lete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can c
> ontrol
> it just fi
> ne, bu
> t the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
>
> Phatb
> ox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> by: bo
> bbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
>
> ; and
> the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>
> 4000x
>
> >
> ; powe
> rs down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original me
> ssage
> --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X
> -List
> message posted by:
> Matt
> Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> >
> ; the
> 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> ;
> g
> t;
> ;
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5
> .pdf
> BR
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issu
> es wit
> h the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections
> are th
> e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
>
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations
> . I'm
> not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>
> work
> BR with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initializatio
> n. Wit
> hout the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
>
>
> gt; right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
> gt;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 92
> 5-606-
> 6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> gt; R
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... a
> s soon
> as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k > R
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
>
> -
> ------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> BR
> ; Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay
> , here
> 's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information
> on how
> the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
>
> What P
> hatbox Said:
>
>
> http:
> //www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
>
> ;
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> g
> t;
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections
> are th
> e same but the colors
> are di
> fferent. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I > R>
> have
> att
> ached
> a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is us
> ed for
>
> arbitration during device i
> nitial
> ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initial
> ize it
> self.
>
> After the PhatBox
> is co
> nnected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermor
> e | CA
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> gt; g
> t;
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> g
> t; Mat
> t G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
> Produc
> ts For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
> > R
>
>
> What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> the
> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> themodification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> me
> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> not wo
> rking:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but
> I coul
> d be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update
> ? Im n
> ot
> sure
> if
> that would
> help
> but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly
> connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>
> gt; g
>
> ;
> t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
>
>
> gt; plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Orig
> inal m
> essage --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> he Son
> y Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister ins
> t
> alled
>
> as
> suggested
> and
> the pr
> oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> pa
> rt wit
> h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
> ;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4
> 000X-L
> ist message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> ue. Be
> low are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> <
> BR>
>
> gt; Wha
> t Matt
> Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matroni
> cs.com
> /xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that m
> atches
> best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
>
> ;
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message
> from M
> ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his syst
> em. Th
> e
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the bl
> ue (bu
> s master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> can b
> e seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when dir
> ectly
> connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>
> stays
> high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox ha
> s trou
> ble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> g
> t;
> ; to
>
>
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
> tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed a
> s
>
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soo
> n as t
> he Phatbox is plugged in my
>
>
> gt; 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> ation.
>
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>
>
> gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> g
> t;
> ;
>
> BR -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are tw
> o link
> s to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
> le you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin
> numbe
> rs and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
>
> ;
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Sa
> id: > R
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are
> you us
> ing version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> ough P
> hatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
>
> g
> t; Fo
> r refe
> rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are diff
> erent.
> You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmod
> ified
> cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with
> simpl
> e multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> 6.00 a
> nd an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> gt; g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during de
> vice i
> nitialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He
> would
> know best about using the C90.
>
> Rega
> rds, <
> BR> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> BR
> ; 94551
>
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> BR
> ;
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Live
> rmore
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and ca
> n cont
> rol it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
>
> p
> l
> ugged
> in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x wh
> ich is
> shut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know
> what
> to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >
> ; 4000
> x
>
> g
> t; powers down, the system reset
> s and
> the C90 only communicates with the
> BR
> ; Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> s inst
> ead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> BR
> ; Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on ho
> w the
> P
> hatbox
> -Sony cables are wi
> red. N
> ote that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are
> for re
> ference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> ;
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> BR
> ;
>
>
> gt; Are you using version 7
> .0 Son
> y firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoi
> se way
> back when:
>
> gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> BR
> ; The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox
> conne
> ctor.
>
> An unmodified cab
> le sho
> uld work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
> unmod
> ified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays
> high
> (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boo
> t and
> then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset.
> He wo
> uld know best about using the C90.
> g
> t;
> Regards
> ,
>
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system
> reset
> s and the C90only c
> ommuni
> cates with the Ph
> atbox.
>
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> BR
> ; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a ph
> oto of
> the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
>
> ; Okay
> , here's some help on thi
> s cabl
> e issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
>
> BR
> ; and what not might be different depending on
> the ve
> rsion of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin nu
> mbers
> and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> gt; g
> t;
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
>
> BR Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> are (u
> pgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Drall
> e
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Wo
> o at P
> hatnoise way back when:
>
> "We chang
> ed cab
> le manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>
> g
> t; have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> c
> onfigu
>
> ra
> tions. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
> n input. It is used for
> arb
> itrati
> on during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble know
> ing wh
> en is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> BR
> ; Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G
> Dralle
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
> &g
> t;
> >
> BR
> ;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-100
> 1 V |
> 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
> matron
> ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
> A | 94
> 551
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> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> QUOTE
>
>
>
>
> gt;
>
> gt; g
> t;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dral
> le@mat
> ronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
> short
> of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
> itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a
> list
> of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
>
> Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers up
> fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C
> 30:
> PB
>
> powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
> PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> Changer in Control
> 2 of C
> 30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
> Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
> XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
> disappear,
> C90 only sees the PB.
>
> Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
> the
> system without the PB.
> g
> t;
> Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbo
> x is s
> hut down
> and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both
> sidesbesides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn'
> t lear
> n
> a
> thing from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the problem
> is...lol
>
> Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
> but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going to
> have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
> cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original PBcable
> from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it was
> made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has been
>
> g
> t; made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that
> were
> made before the modification was put in place.
>
> g
> t;
> ;I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
> all these tests, if there had
> been
> who knows what the outcome would've been!
> Ahhhh!
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
> resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
> unless you miss wire something... :-)
>
> The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first C
> DChang
> er slave
> on
> the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has
> a
> class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
> some
> examples: > R
>
> CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
> MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> Tuners: TV Tun
> er, In
> ternal AM/FM Tuner
> Processors: 210, 4000x
> , inte
> rnal Bass/Treble
>
> On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
> device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with "I'm
> Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
> (high nibble) and the device's assigned address
> on th
> e UB (low nibble).
>
> An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
> powered
> up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
> device) from the last time it started, it w
> ill re
> set the bus (both a protocol
> sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
> address
> negotiation.
>
> The actual addre
> ss of
> the device is determined by its location on the bus.
> The
> closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
> asical
> ly what
> happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
> connectivity
> to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU. On
> the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device
> in th
> e stream,
> so
> negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
>
> The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
> Changer
> class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
> into
> the HU or is on Port 1 of th
> e firs
> t XA-C30 in the chain.
>
> That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the
> 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devic
> es, bu
> t I
> wanted
> to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
> to
> figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> addressing that way, but I didn't really g
> et an
> answer back. I've written an
> embedded processor Unilink Slave emulat
> or tha
> t runs on an 8051-compatible
> microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
> compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
> surly
> Phatbox could.
>
> If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
> my
> two installations to see if the
> probl
> em is the Phatbox or something else.
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> <
> BR>>
> ; I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
> did
> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>
>
> ;
> So you don't think the reset line in yo
> ur dia
> gram or a higher value resistor
> could be the problem, huh?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my insta
> llatio
> ns, I am plugging
> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
> can't rememb
> er for
> sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> A
> t 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
> rote:
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> modification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
> me wrote after I
> contac
> ted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cu
> t. I d
> idnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmw
> are up
> date? Im not sure
> i
> f that
> would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
>
> Yes, a
> nd I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it
> is pl
> ugged into th
> e 400
>
> 0x whi
> ch is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: b
> obbybr
> aun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>
> sugge
> sted
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still won
> dering
> if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> th
> ere se
> emed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
>
> g
> t; g
> t;
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> you
> BR *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on
> the v
> ersion of cable you
> have.
> The
>
> gt; g
> t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his ca
> ble:
> BR
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
>
> gt; Us
> g
> t;
> ; e the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable
> throu
> gh
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable ma
> nufact
> urers since Matt purchased his system. The
> g
> t;
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed
> descri
> ption of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> co
> nfigur
> ations. I'm not
> sure
> if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
>
> gt;
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
>
> ; is
> BR the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should the
> n forc
> e a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> &g
> t; 925
> -606-1001 V | 925-606
> -6281
> F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> BR
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> sugg
> ested
>
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> so
> meone
>
> woul
> dn't m
> ind me using to get myself a cable direct from
> the fa
> ctory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> gt; > R -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>
> ;
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate a
> little
>
> ; with
> respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.ma
> tronic
> s.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Sa
> id: > R
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> ;
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> Fo
> r refe
> rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are
> the sa
> me but the c
> olors
> are different. You want to
> connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
>
> Firmw
> are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
> unmod
> ified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used > R
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high
> (+5V)
> at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>
> g
> t; PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
> gt; > R
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
> h
> ttp://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
> g
> t;
> ;
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> M
> att G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So f
> rustra
> ting, the C9
> 0 know
> s the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> plugged in. I
> find
> it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <
> BR>>
> ;
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 0
> 7:27 P
> M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> BR
> ; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB t
> hat > R someone
> wouldn't mind me u
> sing t
> o get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dra
> lle > R
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to som
> e
>
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
>
>
> gt; links are for reference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com
> /xdp40
> 00x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
>
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> diff
> erent.
>
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
> If yo
> u are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> &
> gt; 10
> k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>
> ; have
>
> attached a PDF with a detailed descri
> ption
> of the connections
> (So
> nyCabl
> e5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
>
>
> gt; is
> >
>
> ; the
>
> right
> time t
> o initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
> Produc
> ts For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still t
> here..
>
> . as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> &
> gt; po
> wers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
>
> wouldn
> 't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
>
> gt;
>
> BR Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired
> . Note
> that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> g
> t;
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCab
> le5.pd
> f
>
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> ;
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
> If you
> are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires
> . I
> have
>
> attach
> ed a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
>
> ;
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a hea
> d unit
> .
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the
> PhatB
> ox has tro
> uble k
> nowing when
> is
> the
>
> right
> time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
> >
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
> ;
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ================================================================== > R
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
>
>
> What do you know abou
> t the
> reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> themodification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that
> 's bee
> n doing the work on the unit for
> me
> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k
> or so
> should do the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing w
> as tha
> t in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
> if
> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly
> connected to the head unit?
>
> ;
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.n
> et
> >
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all
> to no
> avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whe
> never
>
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -
> ------
> ------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> he Son
> y Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
>
> Well
> I
> had t
> he cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my > R 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
>
> Still
> wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
> ;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dra
> lle > R
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt
> Dralle
>
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>
> g
> t; g
> t; inf
> ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> Wha
> t Matt
> Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
>
> gt;
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
>
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>
> &
> gt; different.
>
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message
> from M
> ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
>
> ; g > R t;
> ; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
> g
> t;
> ;
> The numbers can not be
> seen o
> n the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>
> a
> rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-d
> own th
> e signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>
> ; shou
> ld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt r
> egardi
> ng pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
> tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle
> @matro
> nics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
>
> gt; We
> ll I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
>
> gt; St
> ill wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a workin
> g spar
> e Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>
> BR
> ;
>
> gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original messa
> ge ---
> -----------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>
>
> gt; need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
>
> g
> t; links are for reference only
> and y
> ou might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin
> numbe
> rs and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox
> -Cable
> -Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
>
> Are y
> ou using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>
>
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> Fo
> r refe
> rence, here is a mess
> age fr
> om Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>
> connec
> tions are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>
>
> g
> t;
> ;gt; y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> gt; g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem
> is wi
> th the bus master signal. I
> t is a
> n input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> ;
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a r
> eset a
> fter a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> 94551
>
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW
> turing Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> &g
> t;
> ==========================================
> ======
> ==================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics
> .com/
> WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> pl
> ugged
> in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still b
> e reco
> gnized and
>
> gt; g
> t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what
> to do
> ...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of
> the S
> ony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soo
> n as t
> he Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
>
>
> gt; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> s inst
> ead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there <
> BR>>
> ; with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>
>
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
>
> -
> - XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are
> two l
> inks to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are
> for re
> ference only and you might find
> you n
>
> &g
> t; eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and
> pin nu
> mbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.c
> om/xdp
> 4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might
> be a
> little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
>
> >
> ;
> when:
>
>
> gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF w
> ith a
> detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> wor
> k
>
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> io
> ns. > R
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is
> an inp
> ut. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays
> high
> (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to in
> itiali
> ze itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable
> modifi
> ed with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon a
> s the
> Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> ommuni
> cates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>
> s
> ince
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
> r
> unning out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Drall
> e
>
>
>
>
> BR Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
>
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
>
> BR
> ; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
>
> gt; Wh
> at Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> g
> t;
> ; 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> g
> t;
> >
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Drall
> e
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise wa
> y back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
>
>
> gt;
> a
>
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyC
> able5.
> pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> g
> t;
> ; The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
>
> ;
> n input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without
> the pu
> ll-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> >
> ; en f
> orce a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>
> g
> t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-60
> 6-6281
> F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> ; ====
> ==============================================================
>
>
>
>
> ;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
> <
> BR>>
> ;
> matron
>
>
> gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V |
> 925-60
> 6-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> gt; > R
>
> I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
> did
> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>
> So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
> could be the problem, huh?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP400
> 0X-Lis
> t message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
> g
> t; the
> Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I'v
> e ever
> tried plugging the Phatbox
> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> What do you kn
> ow abo
> ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
>
> o
> nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> modification
>
> o
> f the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
> me wrote after I contac
> ted hi
> m the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
>
>
> gt; Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message -----------
>
> gt; g
> t; --- > R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4
> 000X-L
> ist message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> ;
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled th
> e firm
> ware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version
> of the
> Sony Phatbox firmware? > R
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4
> 000X-L
>
> ist m
> essage posted b
> y: bob
> bybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
>
> gt;
> ; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
> able d
> irect from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> g
> g
> t; t;
>
> ; -------------- Original message -
> ------
> -------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what
> not mi
> ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Mat
> t Foun
> d on his cable:
>
> http://www.matro
> nics.c
> om/xdp4000x/U
> nilink
> -To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCabl
> e5.pdf
>
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your in
> stalla
> tion.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed
> cable
> ma
> nufact
> urers since Matt purchased his system. The
>
> g
> t; connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> orang
> e (ground) wires. I
> have
> >
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is
> with t
> he bus master signal. I
> t is a
> n input. It is used
> BR
> ; for
> g
> t;
> ; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the
> PhatBo
> x is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> gt; Ma
> tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94
> 551 > R 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
> il
> h
> ttp://
> www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering i
> f that
> resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
>
> gt; g
> t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someon
> e
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
> runnin
>
> ;
> g out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
> wire.
>
> Note t
> he color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>
> ;
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http:
> /
>
> /www.m
> atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> d
> iffere
> nt.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
>
> &
> gt; Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
>
>
> gt; Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable man
> ufactu
> rers since Matt purchased
> his s
> ystem. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> orang
> e (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple mul
> ti
> > -devic
> e
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with th
> e bus
> master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>
>
> a
> rbitra
> tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
>
> gt; Mi
> ke"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt
> G Dral
> le | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> ore |
> CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@
> matron
> ics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> Aircra
> ft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware an
> d did
>
> a comp
> lete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> >
> ; plug
> ged in. I find it
> odd t
> hat the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
> shut d
> own when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -
> - XDP4
> 000X-List message posted
> by: bo
> bbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
>
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only
> commu
> nicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resist
> or sho
> uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here.
> Can a
> nybody help?
>
> -------------- Original me
> ssage
> --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>
>
> gt; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor b
> etween
> ground and the blue wire.
> Note
> the color coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
> > R
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> g
> t;
> ;
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use t
> he dra
> wing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to h
> ave op
> erational issu
> es wit
> h the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We chan
> ged ca
> ble manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections
> are th
> e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The
> numbe
> rs can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware
> 5.00
> and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> co
> nfigur
> ations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the
> bus m
> aster signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initializatio
> n. Wit
> hout the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> g
> t; sho
> uld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> g
> t;
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-10
> 01 V |
> 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> g
> t; gt;
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> gt; > R
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox
> .
>
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> pa
> rt wit
> h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> ru
> nn
> ing > R> out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> BR
> ; Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> BR
> ; need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>
>
> gt; little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt
> Found
> on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf <
> BR>>
> ;
>
> What P
> hatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
>
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> BR
> ; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way ba
> ck whe
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections
> are th
> e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue
> (bus
> master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They c
> an be
> seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-devi
> ce con
> figurations.
> BR
> ;
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device i
> nitial
> ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize
> itsel
> f.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. Ho
> wever,
> you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matr
> onics.
> com
> Email
>
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> gt; g
> t;
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Emai
> l
>
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> Aircr
> aft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
>
>
> What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> themodification
> of the cable.
> Here's
> what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
>
> ; me
> BR wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> not wo
> rking:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware up
> date?
>
> Im not
> sure
> if
> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly
> connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message ---
> ------
> -----
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> g
> t; Yes
> , and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>
> gt; g
> t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x
> which
> is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don'
> t know
> what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
> Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> he Son
> y Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
> wrote
> :
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and
> the pr
> oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>
> ; Phat
> box.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of informat
> ion. <
> BR>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they'
> re wil
> ling to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
> ;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> gt; > R -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> ue. Be
> low are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *wil
> l
>
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
>
> ; li
> nk
> > s are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> Wha
> t Matt
> Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
>
> gt;
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that m
> atches
> best your installation.
>
>
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware
> (upgra
> deable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For referenc
> e, her
> e is a message
> from M
> ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec
> t
>
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> can b > R
> e seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodifi
> ed cab
> le works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
> <
> BR>>
> ; The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at
> all ti
> mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should li
> sten
> BR to
>
>
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> gt; Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
> tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> >
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>
> sugge
> sted
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k oh
> ms ins
> tead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> ation.
>
>
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>
>
> gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
>
> &
> gt; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> gt; > R
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor
> betwe
> en ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending
> on th
> e version of cab
> le you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin
> numbe
> rs and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
>
> Depend
>
> &g
> t; ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Son
> y firm
> ware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have
> operat
> ional issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> ough P
> hatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> Fo
> r refe
> rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description
> of the
> connections
> (SonyCable5
> .pdf).
>
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> g
> t;
> ; PhatBox connector.
>
>
> ; An u
> nmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> 6.00 a
> nd an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> gt; g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> g
> t; Aft
> er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>
> s
> hould then force a reset after a few seconds. However, yo
> u shou
> ld listen to
>
> M
> att regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> BR
> ; 94551
>
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>
> ;
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Produ
> cts Fo
>
> gt;r A
> ircra
> ft
> >
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
>
> p
> l
> ugged
> in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message p
> osted
> by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 vers
> BR
> ; ion of
> the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4
> /17/20
> 06 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
>
> g
> t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> s inst
> ead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
> illing
> to
> part with for some
> cash,
> or a photo of the bo
> ttom o
> f a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -
> ------
> ------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on ho
> w the
> Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are
> for re
> ference only and you might find
>
> BR > R ; you n
> eed
> to int
> erpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
>
> h
> ttp://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
>
>
> gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dral
> le
>
>
> g
> t;
>
> g
> t;
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> gt; > R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> &
> gt; at
> tached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox
> conne
> ctor.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm n
> ot sur
> e if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
>
>
>
>
> gt; with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays
> high
> (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox
> is con
> nected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset.
> He wo
> uld know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
> gt; > R
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001
> V | 92
> 5-6
> 06-628
> 1 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> ommuni
> cates with the Phatbox.
> Still
> wonde
> ring if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> BR
> ; Anyone out there with
> a wor
> king spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn'
> t mind
> me using to get myself a
> cable
> direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the
> blue
> wire. Note the color coding
>
> BR
> ; and what not might be differe
> nt dep
> ending on
> the ve
> rsion of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>
> littl
> e
> with respect to colors and pin numbers
> and w
> hat not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are go
> ing to
> hav
> e oper
> ational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> are (u
> pgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Drall
>
> e
>
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a messag
> e from
> Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons > R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
>
> BR An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodifi
> ed cab
> le works with simple multi-device
> c
> onfigu
> rations. I'm not sure if fi
> rmware
> 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> ;
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
> n input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. Ho
> wever,
> you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt
> >
> G
>
> Dralle
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.c
> om Ema
> il
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
> ;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
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Well, it seems as if I maybe spoke too soon. My 4000x stops accepting audio from
the PB as soon as the source is changed (i.e. whenever theTuner or in dash CD
is selected). As soon as I go back to the PB as a source, it comes up butanalog
audio will not beplayed back againunless a different source is plugged into
the Changer Input of the 4000x. I guess I'm going to have to try installing
my XA-C30 after all, and see if this fixes the problem... And the frustration
quickly returns. Grrr!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
It WORKS!!!! After lots of tinkering I finally got it to play, and it's works
flawlessly and sounds just as good as I'd expect!
The only thing I can think of that was causing it to act funny last night was
maybe because I had a low battery which in the end caused all of the oddities
with my equipment, because everything works as it should now including the
analog outputs on my CD Changer... My optima battery is on it's 7th year now,
and my alternator doesn't do very well when running at idle so after all the
tinkering last night, when I went to start my car this AM the battery was dead.
The first thing I did this morning was hook
up my
XM adapter to test my analog
inputs on the processor, and it worked perfectly (almost too perfectly
considering I cancelled my service back in December and it's still working ha
ha...) And is it just me, or does XM sound even WORSE than ever?!! I can't
believe I ever even paid for service that sounded so bad. Wow. Even though
right now I could listen to it for free, after hearing how bad it sounds I know
I'd never even bother turning it on, so right now it's unhooked and boxed up in
my closet for storage until I find someone who wants to take it off my hands
lol.
Matt I want to thank you so much for all your help with this, I never would've
figured it out on my own! After running into all these problems maybe we did
learn a little something about how the Phatbox intergrates into a Sony system.
First off, the reset line has to be cut in order for a PB to work wi
th a <
BR> processor, but seems to work fine as a single Unilink source directly connected
to a compatible head unit with the reset wire still connected. And another
thing that came up before that I'd like to point out, the Phatbox does work when
directly connected to my 4000x. I do not have my XA-C30 permanently installed
yet so the PB is my only external music source at this time. I am now curious
however if the thing would've worked fine without the pulldown resistor
installed if the reset line had been cut the entire time. Regardless, wow what
an ordeal and I'm so glad it's over.
Now a couple questions about usage. How much should I be concerned about heat,
cold and vibration affecting the DMS cartridge? Where I live there are some
extreme cold temperatures, and we all know how hot it can get in the trunk of
a
car. I have it mounted with rubber grommets on a wooden car
peted
surface, so
vibration should be at a minimum but I just thought I'd ask since you've been
using one of these for a while. And another thing, is there an easy way to
navigate through the countless number of albums you have at your disposal? I
haven't really sat down to use the thing yet, and haven't even listened to an
entire song yet, so I'm just wondering if there are any tricks to setting it up
to get the most out of the unit?
Thanks again for everything, now I can't wait to go on a long roadtrip and
listen to an endless amount of music! HA HA HA!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, I've thought about all that already, but here is the thing, I can't get
any
audio to be recognized by the 40
00x th
rough it's Analog Changer Inputs. The
only reason I know it sounds bad is because I hooked a set of headphones up to
the phatbox to test if any audio was present and when I listened it sounded
horrible, (if not mono). I listened to the same exact mp3 file that was being
played on the PB back inside on my computer through the same headset using the
crappy non 24bit burr brown outputs of my laptop and it sounded 1000x more
full
and realistic, so that worries me. And the fact that I can't get any audio to
play back when plugged into the analog changer inputs worries me even more, I
really hope this thing didn't somehow damage my 4000x, there is no way I want
to
send it off to Sony and let them hack away at it like they did with my last
C90
I sent them...
I have done a full reset from the
C90 a
nd still nothing. I'll test out my
other
equipment that I know was working beforehand tomorrow and then I'll know more,
but that still doesn't change the issue with the terrible sound output of the
PB.
------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Great news!
Couple of things come to mind with respect to your new audio woes. Digital
vs
Analog input on the 4000x is only negotiated on reset (button on C90), so
with
all the plugging around, make sure that you set things up like you want,
then
press that reset button.
Second, the "tinny" sound might be because you've selecte
d an u
nprogrammed
EQ/Xover setting on the 4000x. The default setting has some of the Xover
settings off or highly attenuated.
Plug your PC back into the 4000x and double check all of your EQ and XO
memory
locations, and then make sure you select the right ones on the HU.
Almost there!
Matt
At 08:13 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Ok, I went ahead and clipped the reset wire and now the PB actually works
in
my
system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my
processor is not accepting analog audio at the analog changer input any
>
; long
er
(and it used to just fine)... I did test and there is audio at the outputs
of
the PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull
highs.
I threw my cd changer back in to see if my processor would accept analog
audio
from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer
either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand since I always
used
the digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
I have yet to try my XM unit, which I know the analog outs used to work on
since those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in
my
system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late
and <
BR> I
don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially
convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I
said
before it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken
inside
of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can
check
everything out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Cut the reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like
the PB
is holding that
line
down and never letting anyone else init.
Matt
At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my
resources,
short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then
from
it
split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a
list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB) plugged
direct
ly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB
powers
up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
C30:
PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees
the
PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
C30,
Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x
and
Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x
and <
BR> XM
Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into
input
of
XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected
into
the
system without the PB.
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is
shut
down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both
sides
besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in
. Bott
om line, I didn't learn
a
thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
problem
is...lol
Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your
system,
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm
going
to
have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset
line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original
PB
cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other
than
it
was made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it
has
&
gt; been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old
cables
that
were made before the modification was put in place.
I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I
finished
all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've
been!
Ahhhh!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the
higher
&
gt; &g
t; resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment.
Well,
unless you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger
slave
on
the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus
(UB)
has
a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along
with
some
examples:
CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
&
gt; &g
t; Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking
for
each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond
with
"I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for
that
particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device
class
(high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low
nibble).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU
is <BR
>
powered
up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or
missing
device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
protocol
sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
address
negotiation.
The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the
bus.
The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically
what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
connectivity
to all of the
slave
s down stream until it receives an address from the
HU.
On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
stream,
so
negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the
CD
Changer
class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly
plugged
into
the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting
with
the
>
;
4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but
I
wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a
while
to
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've
written
an
embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an
8051-compatible
microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is
100%
compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do
it,
surly
>
;
Phatbox could.
If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try
here
on
my
two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something
else.
Matt
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last
time <B
R>
I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I
am
plugging
>
;
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging
the
Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some
point,
but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning
you
a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>
;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram?
This
is
the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on
the
unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k
resistor
not
working:
Well its a pul
ldown
resistor so any value of several k or so
should
do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do
this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update?
Im
not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still
work
when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete
system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fin
e, but
the 4000x just shuts
down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be
recognized
and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down
when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
&
gt;
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
installed
as
suggested
&g
t;
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates
with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms
instead
of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable
they'r
e
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP400
0X-Lis
t message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two
links
to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note
that
you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
Note
the
color
coding
>
;
and what not might be different depending on the version of
cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
>
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might
be
a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
&g
t; >
; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If
you
are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues
with
the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable
through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mik
e Woo
at Phatnoise
way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You
want
to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange
(ground)
wires.
I
have
&g
t; attached a PDF with a detailed description of the
connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can
be
seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to
a
head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
>
;
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input.
It
is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the
pull-down
the
signal
>
;
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then
shutdown.
The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you
should
listen
to
&
gt; Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about
using
the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@
matron
ics.com
Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
plugged
in
my
&
gt; &g
t; 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates
with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms
instead
of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable
they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a
photo
of the bottom of a Sony PB
that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
&
gt; Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two
links
to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note
that
you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note
the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of
cable
you
have.
>
;
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
&
gt;>
; http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be
a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If
you
are
using
anything else,
you ar
e going to have operational issues with
the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable
through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise
way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purcha
sed hi
s
system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You
want
to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange
(ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the
connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y c
onn <B
R> ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configuration
s. <BR
>
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input.
It
is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the
pull-down
the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
>
;
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then
shutdown.
The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you
should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using
the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
>
;
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircraft
&
gt; &g
t; ==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircraft
&g
t; >
;
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete
system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be
recognized
and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down
whe
n
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
>
;
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates
with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering
if th
at resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can a
nybody
help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and th
e blue
wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of
cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
&
gt;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
using
>
;
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt
purcha
sed his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
&g
t; <BR
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
&
gt; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you
should
listen
to
&
gt; Ma
tt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featur
ing Pr
oducts For
Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with
the
Phatbox.
&g
t; Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
*will
&g
t;
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of
cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
>
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matc
hes be
st your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when: <B
R>
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y con
n
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It
is an
input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
&g
t; >
; en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
&
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-
606-62
81 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram?
This
is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
th
emodif
ication
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on
the
unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so
should
do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do <
BR>>
; this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update?
Im
not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
&
gt; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete
system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts
down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be
recognized
and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down
when
the <B
R>
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
A
t 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
4.7k
&
gt; since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
&
gt;>
; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
a
nd what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
&g
t; What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using
7.0 So
ny firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
to
connect
a
10k resistor betwee
n the
blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
&
gt; &g
t; configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
knowing
when
is
the <
BR> right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you
should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
&
gt;>
;
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
installed
as
suggested
&
gt; and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with
for so
me cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
that
someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
;
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
&g
t; >
; little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
&g
t; Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
>
;
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5
.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
&g
t;
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
T
he
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you
should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
>
;
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt
G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete
system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it ju
st fin
e, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
pl
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down
when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message
posted
by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
plugged
in <BR
> my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
&
gt; th
at
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
to
some
information on
how t
he Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation. <B
R>
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
&
gt; when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
his
system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen
on th
e Sony connector. They can be
seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
&
gt; The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you
&g
t; should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
&
gt; gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
>
;
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
&g
t; >
;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
*will
need*
&g
t; the
4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the version of
cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
&
gt;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
;
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when: <BR
>
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
&
gt;>
; ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
&g
t; n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
&g
t; Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
;
==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.ma
tronic
s.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
&g
t; 925
-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last
time
I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
resistor
&g
t; could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some
point,
&g
t; but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning
you
a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagram
that w
asn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should
do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do
this
because
&g
t; >
; lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still
work
when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
--- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled
the fi
rmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down
when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
&g
t; >
; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
&
gt; in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
&g
t;
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
t
he 4.7
k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what
not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.
pdf <B
R>
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
&g
t; Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
&
gt; e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected
, it w
ill boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
&
gt; &g
t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should'v
e been
10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message -----
------
---
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
>
;
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
&
gt; &g
t;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
d
iffere
nt.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
>
;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
&g
t; The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
fo
r
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. H
e woul
d know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&g
t; >
;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did <B
R>
a comp
lete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
&g
t; Fro
m: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
&
gt;>
; and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
&g
t; >
; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage
--------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
&
gt; &g
t; need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf <BR
>
g
t;
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
&g
t; Mak
e sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
&g
t; have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
&
gt; igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset a
fter a
few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&
gt; &g
t;
gt; R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
;
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR
; Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP
4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
&g
t; >
; with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What P
hatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a <B
R>
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
&g
t; >
; "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
>
;
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
w
hen
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
&
gt; &g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; g
t;
==================================================================
&
gt;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram?
This
is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
rking:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should
do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do
this
&
gt;>
; because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
&
gt; Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is
gt; g
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down
when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
&g
t; >
; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
&g
t; as
suggested
and
the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with fo
r some
cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two li
nks to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
&g
t; >
; using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
&
gt; a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
can b
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configura
tions.
I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After th
e Phat
Box is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA
| 945
51
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wonderi
ng if
that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
&g
t; >
; le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
&
gt;>
; atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
hatManager).
&
gt; &g
t; Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
>
;
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
&
gt;
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
BR
; 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&g
t; >
;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&
gt; Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
p
l
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
&g
t;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
&
gt; &g
t; suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
g
t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a workin
g spar
e Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
inf
ormati
on on ho
w the
Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
&
gt;
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
gt; Are you using versio
n 7.0
Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
system.
The
&
gt; &g
t; connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox
conne
ctor.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
&
gt; Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
>
;
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
&
gt;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
BR
; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I
'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between gr
ound a
nd the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
&
gt; &g
t; xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
pgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resisto
r betw
een the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
c
onfigu
>
;
rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot a
nd the
n shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G
Dralle
| Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
&
gt; &g
t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Em
ail <B
R> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
A | 94
551
>
;
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
QUOTE
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&
gt; &g
t;
Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my
resources,
short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then
from
itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's
a
list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB
powers
up
fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
C30:
PB
&g
t; >
; powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees
the
PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
C30,
Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x
and
Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x
and
XM
Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into
input
of
XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
&
gt; disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected
into
the
system without the PB.
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is
shut
down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both
sidesbesides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't
learn a
thing from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
problem
is...lol
Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my P
B in y
our
system,
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm
going
to
have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset
line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original
PBcable
from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it
was
made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has
been
made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables
that
were
made before the modification was put in place.
I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I
&
gt; finished
all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've
been!
Ahhhh!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the
higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment.
Well,
unless you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger
&
gt; sl
ave
on
the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus
(UB)
has
a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along
with
some
examples:
CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x
, inte
rnal Bass/Treble
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for
each
device
class
on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond
with
"I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device
class
(high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU
is
powered
up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or
missing
device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
protocol
sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
address
&
gt; negotiation.
The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the
bus.
The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
asical
ly what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
connectivity
to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the
HU.
On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
stream,
so
negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
The Ph
atbox
for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the
CD
Changer
class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly
plugged
into
the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting
with
the
4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a
while
to
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I didn't really g
&g
t; >
; et an
answer back. I've written an
embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an
8051-compatible
microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is
100%
compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do
it,
surly
Phatbox could.
If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try
here
on
my
two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something
else.
Matt
>
; At 0
4:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last
time
I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in yo
ur dia
gram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
>
;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you
a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
&g
t;
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
rote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
is
the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
&g
t; the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
not
sure
i
f that
would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
&
gt; &g
t; From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it
is pl
ugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... <BR
>
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted
and the prob
lem is
still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
>
; I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
gt; g
t;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
gt; g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCa
ble5.p
df
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
gt; Us
e the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For referen
ce, he
re is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
g
t;
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
&
gt;>
; the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
co
nfigur
ations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
&
gt; stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should the
n forc
e a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
>
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
BR
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
so
meone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message
-----
---------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
;
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
&g
t; >
; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
differ
ent. <
BR> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his sy
stem.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmw
>
;
are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the
PhatB
ox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
g
t; PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
h
ttp://
www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
<
BR>>
;
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So f
rustra
ting, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matron
ics.co
m
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 0
7:27 P
M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers do
wn, th
e system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB t
hat R someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message
------
--------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
gt; links are for reference only and you might find
&g
t; >
; you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0
Sony f
irmware on your Phatbox?
If yo
u are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
&
gt; a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(So
nyCabl
e5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work <B
R>
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
gt; is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. Howev
er, yo
u should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
Produc
ts For Aircraft
&
gt; &g
t;
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony
PB th
at
someone
wouldn
't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need* <
BR>>
; the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
g
t;
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
;
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
&
gt;
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
;
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not b
e seen
on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the
>
;
PhatB
ox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
&g
t; >
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
;
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
;
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
What do you know abou
t the
reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
&
gt; &g
t; working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
; <BR
>
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
contro
lled s
ince it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-
------
------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybra
un@com
cast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still
wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for
some c
ash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
g
t; inf
ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
&
gt; &g
t; need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
&
gt;>
; http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a messag
e
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
g
t;
; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
>
;
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
a
rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is <BR
> the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
92
5-606-
1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle
@matro
nics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
&
gt; there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
BR
;
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000
X-List
message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin
&
gt;>
; numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
&
gt;
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange
(grou
nd) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
gt; y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
&
gt; &g
t; gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
;
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
&
gt;>
; Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==========================================
=====
==================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there,
>
;
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
pl
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
gt; g
t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of
the S
ony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soo
n as t
he Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
&
gt; ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-
- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt D
ralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and wha
t not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.c
om/xdp
4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operati
onal i
ssues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I <B
R>
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
wor
k
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions. <
BR>>
;
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
&
gt; Regards,
Mike"
g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
&
gt; &g
t; and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
s
ince
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct
from t
he factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
codin
g
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
&
gt; 4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
g
t;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
>
;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
gt; a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can b
e seen
on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
;
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all
times.
Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO
Box 34
7 | Livermore | CA | 94551
g
t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
&
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last
time
I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e d
ralle@
matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you
a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
o
nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not
working:
Well
its a
pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
&
gt; &g
t;
gt; g
t; --- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don'
t know
what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware? R
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
&
gt; &g
t; and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
&
gt; &g
t; able d
irect from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
>
;
not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Mat
t Foun
d on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
&g
t; when:
"We changed
cable
manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
&
gt;
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used
for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) a
t all
times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
il
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering
if tha
t resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
runnin
g out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
dralle
@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
&g
t; lit
tle
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http:/
/www.m
atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
d
iffere
nt.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation. <
BR>>
;
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
his s
ystem. The
connections are the same but the colors are d
iffere
nt. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
&
gt; PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircra
&g
t; >
; ft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did <B
R>
a comp
lete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
shut d
own when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with t
he <BR
> Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resist
or sho
uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage <
BR>>
; --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
Note
the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n <B
R>
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
g
t;
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
&g
t; >
; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to h
ave op
erational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same
but th
e colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware
5.00
and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
wo
rk <BR
> with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
&g
t; Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
g
t;
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
pa
rt wit
h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony P
B that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR
; Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor
betwee
n ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
gt; little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What P
hatbox Said:
&g
t; htt
p://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
<
;
BR
; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
P
hatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-devi
ce con
figurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
&g
t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; g
t;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW
| Fea
turing Products For Aircraft
g
t;
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
unit
for
; me
BR wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
>
;
rking:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like somethi
ng tha
t could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
g
t; Yes
, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
gt; g
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be reco
gnized
and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
wrote
:
-
- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and
the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to <BR
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
gt; R -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-
Sony c
ables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
&
gt;&am
p;
gt;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
&
gt; Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connec
t
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be s
een on
the Sony connector. They
can b
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at
all ti
mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only com
munica
tes with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
----------
---- O
riginal message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
gt; R
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and
you m
ight find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depend
ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
hatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
&
gt; connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description
of the
connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
&g
t; >
; configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
g
t; Aft
er the Phat
Box is
connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
BR
; 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Produc
ts For
Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
;
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&g
t; >
; Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
p
l
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt D
ralle
dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message p
osted
by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
&
gt; &g
t;
g
t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
illing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
>
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on ho
w the
Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
&
gt; The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
BR
; you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
&
gt; different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
&g
t; >
;
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox
conne
ctor.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit
.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time t
o init
ialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-6
06-628
1 F | d
ralle@
matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
&
gt; there seemed to be a conflict of information.
BR
; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a
cable
direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-Li
st mes
sage posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin nu
mbers
and w
hat not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you usin
g vers
ion 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
pgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a messag
e from
Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
&
gt; connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
c
onfigu
rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cab
le wil
l
work
with any multi-device configurations.
;
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
&
gt; en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G
Dralle
| Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.c
om Ema
il
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&g
t; <BR
>
==================================================================
;
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925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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t;
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on <BR
> ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
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BR>
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&
gt; &g
t;
Ok, I went ahead andclipped thereset wire and nowthe PBactually works in my
system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my
processor is not accepting analog audio at the analog changerinput any
longer
(and it used to just fine)... Idid testand there is audio at the outputs of
the
PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull highs.
I threw my cd changerback in to see if my processor would accept analog
audio
from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer
either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand since I always
used
the digit
al out
put of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
I have yet to try my XM unit, which I know the analog outs used to work on
since those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in
my
system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late
and
I
don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially
convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I
said
before it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken
inside
of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can
check
everything out properly tomorrow. At least I
made
some progress...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Cut the reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that
line
down and never letting anyone else init.
Matt
At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, the
n
from
it
split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a
list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB) plugged directly int
o the
Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
C30:
PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees
the
PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
C30,
Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x
and
&
gt; Ch
anger both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
XM
Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input
of
XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
gt; g
t;Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected
into
the
system without the PB.
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the
Phatb
ox is shut
down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both
sides
besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn
a
thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
problem
is...lol
Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your
system,
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm
going
to
have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset
line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original PB
cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other
than <
BR>>
; it
was made by Phatnoise) or age o
f the
cable so I don't know how recent it has
been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old
cables
that
were made before the modification was put in place.
I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I
finished
all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've
been!
Ahhhh!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Well, if you're handy with a solderin
g iron
, I would try both the higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment.
Well,
unless you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger sla
ve
on
the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
has
a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
some
examples:
CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
>
;
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for
each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
"I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
(high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (lo
w nibb
le).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
powered
up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
protocol
sequence as well as dro
pping
the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
address
negotiation.
The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
connectivity
to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
stream,
so
;
negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in
the CD
Changer
class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
into
the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
the
4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a
while
to
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've written
an
embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
microco
&
gt; &g
t; ntroll
er and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
surly
Phatbox could.
If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here
on
my
two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
Matt
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect.
This
last time
I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
g
t;
;So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
Phatb
ox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you pr
omise
on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
&
gt; for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the R
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that co
uld ca
use a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
g
t;
;
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
P
hatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
--
XDP400
0X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
&
gt; my
4000x
powers
down,
the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
&g
t; >
; -
------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the versi
on of
cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference onl
y and
you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pd
f
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If
you <B
R> are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
gt; g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and ora
nge (g
round)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
g
t;
;
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with a
ny mul
ti-device configurations.
The problem is with the
bus m
aster signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
&g
t; &am
p;g
t;
; Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
BR
;
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there
... as
soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're R
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
s
ome R information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
&
gt; interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
gt;
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
gt; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
g
t;
; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) <B
R>
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configuration
s. I'm
not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
&
gt; <B
R> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot
and t
hen shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
<BR
>
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@m
atroni
cs.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F |
dralle
@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Air
craft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to d
o... <
BR>
gt;
; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in R my
40
00x <B
R> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
g
t;
-------------- Original message -------------- <B
R>
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might f
ind R you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
&
gt; &g
t;
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
g
t;
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
&
gt; PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
conne
ct
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on <BR
> the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
g
t; igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
&
gt; is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know be
st abo
ut using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
&
gt; &g
t; gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
gt; suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're <B
R>
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
gt; running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*w
ill <B
R> need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different dependi
ng on
the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
&
gt; &g
t; "We
chang
ed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable w
orks w
ith si
mple m
ulti-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho R
uld th
en force a rese
t afte
r a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; R
==================================================================
&
gt; <B
R> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
gt;
; What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me
wrote after I cont
acted
him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a fir
mware
update? Im not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like someth
ing th
at could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shut
s down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in..
. I ju
st don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At
07:27
PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
&
gt; 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
par
t with
for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original messa
ge ---
-----------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor be
tween
ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers an
d what
not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
gt; Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
&g
t; Mak
e sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We chang
ed cab
le manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not b
e seen
on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if f
irmwar
e 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has t
rouble
knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
g
t;
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matro
nics.c
om Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as R suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
>
;
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
;
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.
7k ohm
resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
T
he
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
;
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt p
urchas
ed his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
co
nnect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cab
le <BR
> will
work
g
t;
; gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
&
gt; to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
gt; R Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
&g
t; <BR
> ;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
pl
ugged
in. I find it odd that the
Phatb
ox ca
n stil
l be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
;
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resi
ster i
nstalled as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
so
meone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? <BR
>
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending
on the
version of cable you
have.
The
links are
&g
t; >
; for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
R
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
system. R
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
&
gt; &g
t; have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
gt; work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
>
;
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
g
t;
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
&g
t; >
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
s
uggest
ed
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if th
at res
istor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody hel
p?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
&
gt; Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
;
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http:/
/www.m
atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
;
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatM
anager
).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are t
he sam
e but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
;
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
&
gt; &g
t; the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regardi
ng pus
hing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products
For Ai
rcraft
==================================================================
gt;
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
<
BR>>
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Bo
x 347
| Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher va
lue <B
R> resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP
4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promi
se on
your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of sev
eral k
or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask
Matt.
Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
--- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bo
bbybra
un@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
BR
; Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you runni
ng the
7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
&
gt;
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted b
y: Mat
t Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wir
ed. No
te that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com
/xdp40
00x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
htt
p://ww
w.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For r
eferen
ce, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
wh
en: <B
R>
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an
unmod
ified cable work
s with
simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few
>
;
second
s. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
&
gt; &g
t; and the problem is still there... as soon
as th
e Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
<
BR>>
; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@
matron
ics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>
; litt
le
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
BR
; http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
d
iffere
nt.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to hav
e oper
ational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf). <BR
>
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when direc
tly co
nnected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
>
;
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
&
gt; &g
t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
>
;
a comp
lete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatb
ox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firm
ware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
&g
t; >
; Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage
--------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X
-List
message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
&
gt; need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
;
g
t;
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5
.pdf <
BR>
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The <B
R> connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
BR with any multi-device c
onf <B
R> igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
<BR
>
gt;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
S
till w
ondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
R
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR
; Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information
on how
the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
;
What P
hatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
;
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
&
gt; &g
t; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors
are di
fferent. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head u
nit. <
BR> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is us
ed for
arbitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th <B
R>
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermor
e | CA
| 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; g
t;
==================================================================
>
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
R
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
fo
r
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
rking:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update
? Im n
ot
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
>
;
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
gt; g
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
gt; plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x
which
is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister ins
talled
as
suggested
and
&g
t; >
; the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-
------
------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
&g
t; <BR
>
gt; Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're us
ing 7.
0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
;
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
&
gt; ca
n b
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when dir
ectly
connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initi
alize
itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
g
t;
; to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&g
t;
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
gt; 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a phot
o of t
he bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
BR -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a litt
le <BR
> different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
hatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t; Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are d
iffere
nt. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with
simpl
e multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
&
gt; gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He
would
know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
&
gt;
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
BR
; 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Live
rmore
| CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-62
81 F |
dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
p
l
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know
what
&
gt;to
do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
g
t; powers down, t
he sys
tem reset
s and
the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-
- XDP4
000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
BR
; Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on ho
w the
Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
&
gt; <B
R> What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (u
pgrade
able through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoi
se way
back when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on t
he <BR
> PhatBox
conne
ctor.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
unmod
ified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the <BR
>
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld know best about using the C90.
g
t;
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Produ
cts Fo
r Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Ph
atbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
BR
; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part
with
for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
; Okay
, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
&g
t; cod
ing
BR
; and what not might be different depending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
gt; g
t;
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
<B
R>
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
pgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Wo
o at P
hatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his s
ystem.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
c
onfigu
ra
tions. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
unmodi
fied cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
&g
t; >
; BR
; Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G
Dralle
| Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Live
rmore
| CA | 94551
925-606-100
1 V |
925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
A | 94
551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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QUOTE
gt;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then
from
itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a
lis
t
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB
powers
up
fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C
30: PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees
the
PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
C30,
Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x
and
Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
>
; C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
XM
Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input
of
XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected
into
the
system without the PB.
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbo
x is s
hut down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both
sidesbesides C90 and PB when
the P
B is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't
learn
a
thing from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
problem
is...lol
Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your
system,
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm
going
to
have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset
line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original
PBcable
from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it
was
made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has
been
made (but given m
y rece
nt luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables
that
were
made before the modification was put in place.
g
t;
;I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I
finished
all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've
been!
Ahhhh!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. <BR
>
Well,
unless you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger
slave
on
the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
has
a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
some
examples: R
CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x
, inte
rnal Bass/Treble
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broad
cast a
sking for
each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
"I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
(high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
powered
up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
device) from the last time it started, it w
ill re
set the bus (both a protocol
sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
address
negotiation.
&
gt;
The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
asical
ly what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
connectivity
to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
stream,
so
negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
Changer
class so you have to be really careful that it is either direc
tly pl
ugged
into
the HU or is on Port 1 of th
e firs
t XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
the
4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a
while
to
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I didn't really g
et an
answer back. I've written an
embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing th
at is
100%
compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
surly
Phatbox could.
If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here
on
my
two installations to see if the
probl
em is the Phatbox or something else.
Matt
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
I
d
id <BR
> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in yo
ur dia
gram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my insta
llatio
ns, I am plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must
have t
ried that at some point, but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
rote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me wrote after I
contac
&g
t; >
;ted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
i
f that
would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-----------
--- Or
iginal message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, a
nd I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it
is pl
ugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
---------
-----
Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: b
obbybr
aun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and
the C9
0 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
g
t; g
t;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
&g
t;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
gt; g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colo
rs and
pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his ca
ble:
BR
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
gt; Us
e the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
&g
t; >
; Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable ma
nufact
urers since Matt purchased his system. The
g
t;
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
>
;
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
co
nfigur
ations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
gt;
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
&
gt; signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should the
n forc
e a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 9
4551 <
BR> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606
-6281
F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
BR
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
&
gt; <B
R> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
so
meone
woul
dn't m
ind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
>
;
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
;
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate a
little
; with
respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
&
gt; Wh
at Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
>
;
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
head <
BR> unit.
Firmw
are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
unmod
ified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After t
he Pha
tBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
g
t; PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
gt; R
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So f
rustra
ting, the C9
0 know
s the Phatbox is
&
gt; th
ere,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 0
7:27 P
M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
&
gt; &g
t; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB t
hat &g
t; >
; R someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dra
lle R
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
&
gt; &g
t;
gt; links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using ve
rsion
7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
If yo
u are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
&
gt; ; have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(So
nyCabl
e5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration
during
device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
gt; is
; the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Mat
ronics
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
Produc
ts For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still t
here..
. as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
&
gt; there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn
't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
BR Okay, here's some help on
this
cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
g
t;
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
&
gt; http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
;
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For referen
ce, he
re is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attach
ed a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
;
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
&g
t; Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the
PhatB
ox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right
time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
&g
t; >
; uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
;
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
What do you know abou
t the
reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
&
gt; for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing w
as tha
t in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
;
&
gt;
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whe
never
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged
in...
I just don't know what to do...
-
------
------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
m
y R 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still
wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dral
le <BR
>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
g
t; g
t; inf
ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
; Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
Ph
atMana
ger).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
g
t;
; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
g
t;
;
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on th
e
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
<
BR>>
; After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
; shou
ld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle
@matro
nics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
;
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
gt; St
ill wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
B
R
;
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
gt; need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
not m
ight be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are y
ou using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a <BR
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
g
t;
;gt; y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
&
gt; &g
t; t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
;
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a r
eset a
fter a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==========================================
======
==================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dral
le@mat
ronics.com Email
http://www.matronics
.com/
WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
pl
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
gt; g
t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't
know w
hat to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of
the S
ony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soo
n as t
he Phatbox is plugged in my
&g
t; >
; 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Drall
e
-
- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and
pin nu
&
gt; &g
t; mbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.c
om/xdp
4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through <BR
>
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
;
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony c
onnect
or. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
wor
k
with any multi-device conf
igurat
io
ns. R
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
&
gt; right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Fe
aturin
g Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
s
ince
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo
of th
e bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
r
unning out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
&g
t; >
; coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
gt; Wh
at Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
g
&
gt; t;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise wa
y back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
&g
t; connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
gt; a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
&g
t; >
; with any multi-device configurations.
g
t;
; The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
;
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about
using
the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
g
t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-60
6-6281
F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
;
&g
t; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V |
925-60
6-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Fea
turing
Products For Aircraft
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
&
gt;
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
g
t; the
Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you kn
&
gt; ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
o
nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me wrote after I contac
ted hi
m the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
&
gt; &g
t; lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
gt; g
t; --- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
;
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
&
gt; th
ere, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware? R
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4 <BR
>
000X-L
ist message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that <
BR>>
; someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
able d
irect from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
g
t;
; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
&
gt; &g
t; not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Mat
t Foun
d on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/U
nilink
-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
diff
erent.
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed
cable
manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
g
t
; connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
&g
t; >
; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used
BR
; for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
M
att regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
il
h
ttp://
www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatb
ox is
plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
runnin
;
g out of options here. Can anybody help?
&
gt; &g
t; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http:
/
/www.m
atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
d
iffere
nt.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have ope
ration
al issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable man
ufactu
rers since Matt purchased
his s
ystem. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description
of the
connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with th
e bus
master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitra
>
;
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@
matron
ics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircra
ft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&
gt;
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
a comp
lete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it
odd t
hat the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
shut d
own when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resist
or sho <
BR>>
; uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage
--------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this c
able i
ssue. Below are two links to some
gt; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
Note
the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
g <
BR>>
; t;
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use t
he dra
wing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to h
ave op
erational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
>
;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The
numbe
rs can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware
5.00
and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
g
t;
sho <B
R> uld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
g
t;
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as <B
R> suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox
.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
pa
rt wit
h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
&g
t; <BR
> -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR
; Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
BR
; need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>
;
gt; little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What P
hatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using v
ersion
7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
BR
; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
&
gt; ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They c
an be
seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-devi
ce con
figurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without
the p
ull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. Ho
wever,
you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
9
25-606
-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; g
t;
==================================================================
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925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircr
aft
g
t; <B
R>
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
; me
BR wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
rking:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagr
am you
showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware up
date?
Im not sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
g
t; Yes
, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset <BR
>
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
gt; g
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x
which
is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y
Phatbo
x firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
wrote
:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and
the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
; Phat
box.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be
a con
flict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
gt; R -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cabl
es are
wired. Note that you *wil
l
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
gt;
What Phatbox Said:
http
://www
.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
&
gt; &g
t; "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec
t
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
can b R
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configuration
s. I'm
not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at
all ti
mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should li
sten
BR to
>
;
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox
is pl
ugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k oh
ms ins
tead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
------------
-- Ori
ginal message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
gt; R
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor
betwe
en ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respe
ct to
colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depend
ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Son
y firm
ware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are
going
to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
hatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description
of the
connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
g
t;
; PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
&g
t; stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
g
t; Aft
er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, yo
u shou
ld listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
BR
; 94551 <BR
>
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
;
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Produ
cts Fo
r Aircraft
&
gt; &g
t;
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
p
l
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message p
osted
&
gt; &g
t; by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 vers
ion of
the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
g
t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
illing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bo
ttom o
f a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help
on th
is cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on ho
w the
Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
BR
; you n
eed
to int
erpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://ww
w.matr
onics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g <BR
>
t;
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox
conne
ctor.
An unmodified cable should work whe
n dire
ctly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
gt; with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is
conne
cted, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001
V | 92
5-6
06-628
1 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
;
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
BR
; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn'
t min
d
me using to get myself a
cable
direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not migh
t be d
ifferent depending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
littl
e
with respect to colors and pin numbers
and w
hat not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things
might
be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
pgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a messag
e from
Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
&
gt; connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
c
onfigu
rations. I'm not sure if fi
rmware
6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>
; work
with any multi-device configurations.
;
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
&
gt; &g
t; Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt
G
Dralle
| Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.c
om Ema
il
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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Yes, I've thought about all that already, but here is the thing, I can't get
any
audio to be recognized by the 4000x through it's Analog Changer Inputs. The
only
reason I know it sounds bad is becau
se I h
ooked a set of headphones up to the
phatbox to test if any audio was present and when I listened it sounded
horrible, (if not mono). I listened to the same exact mp3 file that was being
played on the PB back inside on my computer through the same headset using the
crappy non 24bit burr brown outputs of my laptop and it sounded 1000x more
full
and realistic, so that worries me. And the fact that I can't get any audio to
play back when plugged into the analog changer inputs worries me even more, I
really hope this thing didn't somehow damage my 4000x, there is no way I want
to
send it off to Sony and let them hack away at it like they did with my last
C90
I sent them...
I have done a full reset from the C90 and still nothing. I'll test out my
other
equipment that I know was wor
king b
eforehand tomorrow and then I'll know more,
but that still doesn't change the issue with the terrible sound output of the
PB.
------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Great news!
Couple of things come to mind with respect to your new audio woes. Digital vs
Analog input on the 4000x is only negotiated on reset (button on C90), so with
all the plugging around, make sure that you set things up like you want, then
press that reset button.
Second, the "tinny" sound might be because you've selected an unprogrammed
EQ/Xover setting on the 4000x. The default setting has some of the Xover
settings off or highly attenuated.
&
gt; <B
R> Plug your PC back into the 4000x and double check all of your EQ and XO memory
locations, and then make sure you select the right ones on the HU.
Almost there!
Matt
BR
;
At 08:13 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Ok, I went ahead and clipped the reset wire and now the PB actually works in
my
system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my
processor is not accepting analog audio at the analog changer input any longer
(and it used to just fine)... I did test and there is audio at the outputs of
the PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull
highs.
I threw my cd changer back in to s
ee if
my processor would accept analog audio
from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer
either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand since I always
used
the digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
I have yet to try my
XM uni
t, which I know the analog outs used to work on
since those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in my
system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late and
I
don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially
convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said
before it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something i
s brok
en
inside
of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check
everything out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
C
ut the
reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that
line
down and never letting anyone else init.
Matt
At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90
, then
from
it
split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB) plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
g
t; XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30:
PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2
of C30
: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
g
t;
; Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
the
system without the PB.
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both sides
besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a
thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
problem
is...lol
>
;
Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
to
have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used b
ut fac
tory original PB
cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than
it
was made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has
been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables
that
were made before the modification was put in place.
I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
&g
t; Ahh
hh!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Well, if you're handy with a soldering i
ron, I
would try both the higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment.
Well,
unless you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger
slave
on
the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
has
a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
some
examples:
CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radi
o (ori
ginal Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
gt;
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for
each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
"I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
(high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
powered
up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
protocol
sequence
as we
ll as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole ne
w bus
address
negotiation.
The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
connectivity
to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
stream,
so
negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
Changer
class so you have to be really careful t
hat it
is either directly plugged
&
gt; into
the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
the
4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a
while
to
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've written
an
embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
compatible with
the m
aster/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
surly
Phatbox could.
If you
'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here
on
my
two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
Matt
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
I
did
not try it with it instal
led ho
wever so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt D
ralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
Phatbox
; dire
ctly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you
a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in you
r diag
ram? This
is
the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
gt; g
t; of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
not
sure
if that woul
d hel
p
but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is
g
t;
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut do
wn <BR
> when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 v
ersion
of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
plugged
in
my
4000x
powers
down,
the system resets and the C90 only comm
unicat
es with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
g
t;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are tw
o link
s
to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
*will
nee
d*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note
the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of
cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
gt;
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.
com/xd
p4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
A
re you
using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with
the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
gt; g
t; "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
system.
The
connections
are t
he same but the colors are different. You want
to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
seen
gt;
; on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
>
;
The problem is with the bus master si
gnal.
It is an input. It
is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few s
econds
. However, you
should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using
the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
<
BR>>
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@ma
tronic
s.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with
the
BR
; Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
&
gt; &g
t; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody hel
p?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground
and th
e blue
wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of
cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.
pdf R
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 S
ony fi
rmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
using
g
t;
; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connec
tions are the same but the colors are different. You want
to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(
SonyCa
ble5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
gt; An
unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
signal
g
t;
; stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trou
ble <B
R> knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you
should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
g
t;
; Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
&
gt;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; g
t;
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
and
contr
olled
since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
g
t; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
gt; suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000
x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo
of the
bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on
this c
able issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
g
t; need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www
.matro
nics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
gt;
; Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
&g
t; 10k
resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi
-devic
e conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitrat
ion du
ring device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a
reset
after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Fea
>
;
turing
Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seeme
d to b
e a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct
from
the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
&
gt; &a
mp;g
t; a
BR little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you ha
ve, th
ings might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable throug
h
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
wh
en: R
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
gt; g
t;
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
F
irmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble kn
owing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He wou
ld kno
w best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
;
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g <B
R>
t;
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramth
at was
n't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seeme
d that
they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
g
t; not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustra
ting,
the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I
find i
t odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are yo
u runn
ing the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
m
y
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
gt; g
t; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <
BR>>
;
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http:
//www.
matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
BR
; different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
g
t;
;
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
to <BR
> connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly
conne
cted to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
;
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/
WWW |
Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
gt; Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself
a cabl
e direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original messa
ge ---
-----------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
&g
t; little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depen
ding o
n what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt
Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mik
e Woo
at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
gt;
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified
cable
works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatB
ox has
trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C
90. <B
R>
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matroni
cs | P
O Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&g
t; Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
pl
ugged
g
t;
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
&
gt; Ma
tt
BR At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of inf
ormati
on.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someo
ne
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
gt;
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
&g
t; eed to interpolate a
little
;
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your P
hatbox
? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
<B
R>
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
system.
The
connections are the same
but th
e colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5
.00 an
d an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not s
ure if
firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the Ph
atBox
is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing
reset
. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of <B
R>
4.7k
g
t; sin
ce
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
gt; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are w
ired.
Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
BR
; interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have,
things
might be a little
g
t; different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt;
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and or
ange (
ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
g
t;
; An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
>
; stay
s high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
;
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&
gt; <B
R> ==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermo
re | C
A | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
9
25-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
<
BR>
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message -------------
-
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't
know i
f I've ever tried plugging the
Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you
a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
gt;
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the
last
time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
--- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XD
P4000X-List message p
osted
by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
; -- X
DP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
<
BR>
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
gt; Ph
atbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using
to ge
t myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
g
t; <BR
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For
refer
ence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
gt; e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cab
le <BR
> will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem
is wit
h the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
BR
Regards,
Mike"
&
gt; &g
t;
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still
there.
.. as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony
Phatbo
x cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running ou
t of o
ptions here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the v
ersion
of cable you
have.
gt; The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
d
iffere
;
nt.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, yo
u are
going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but t
he col
ors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.
00 and
an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset aft
er a f
ew
second
s. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.ma
tronic
s.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
a comp
lete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is R there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of
the S
ony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
g
t;
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with
for so
me cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage
--------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
;
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only
and y
ou might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
g
gt;
; t;
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeabl
e thro
ugh
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t; g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
;
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. <
BR>>
; Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
gt;
; right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regard
ing pu
shing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; htt
p://ww
w.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
sinc
e
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare So
ny Pha
tbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR
; Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-S
ony ca
bles are wired. Note that you
*will
need* <
BR>>
; the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What P
hatbox Said:
gt; g
t;
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matche
s best
your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
gt; g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.
pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
;
&g
t;
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft R
gt; g
t;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle
| Mat
ronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
g
t;
;
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
rking:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
&
gt; 5
vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
gt; diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalle
d the
firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail.
So fru
strating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
gt; g
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
g
t;
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@c
omcast
.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and
the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
; Phat
box.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help? <
BR>>
;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-L
ist me
ssage posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
g
t; Wha
t Matt
F
ound on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operati
onal i
ssues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way bac
k when
:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
gt; (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
can b
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
g
t; with
any m
ulti-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
g
t;
;
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
g
t;
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing <B
R>
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matroni
cs.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
l
e you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to col
ors an
d pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
g
t; anything else, you are going to have
operat
ional issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
hatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
ha
ve
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
>
;
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
gt; g
t;
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few se
conds.
However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt;
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
BR
; 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
gt; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F |
dralle
@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
p
l
ugged
in. I find i
t odd
that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP400
0X-Lis
t message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
g
t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony P
hatbox
cable they're willing to
g
t; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on ho
w the
Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the
4.7k o
hm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
&g
t; >
; have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matroni
cs.com
/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
&
gt; &g
t; xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For r
eference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox
conne
cto
r. <BR
>
A
n unmo
dified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
gt;
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
shou
ld the
n force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
g
t;
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C
90only
c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
; BRg
t;
; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help o
n this
cable issue. Below are two links to some
g
t; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatb
ox-Cab
le-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
&
gt; 4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
g
t;
; pgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
to <BR
> connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbe
rs can
not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
c
onfigu
rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device
initi
alization. Without the pull-do
wn the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
;
Matt G
Dralle
| Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Fea
turing
Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
A | 94
551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://
www.ma
tronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
;
QUOTE
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. H
ere's
a
list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB)plugged directly
into t
he Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
up
fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30:
PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
; Radi
o both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
XT-XM1: PB
Power
s up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
the
system without the PB.
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both
sidesbesides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't
learn a
thing from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
problem
is...lol
Matt, I may just take
you u
p on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
to
have the cable mo
dified
one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original
PBcable
from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it was
made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has been
made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that
were
made before the modification was put in place.
I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
Ahhhh!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
;
Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
unless you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger slave
on
the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
has
a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
some
examples:
CD Changer: CD Chan
gers,
Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x
, inte
rnal Bass/Treble
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast ask
ing fo
r
each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
"I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
(high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
powered
up. If the HU discover
s that
there is anything different (new or missing
device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
protocol
sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
address
negotiation.
The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
The <B
R>
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
asical
ly what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
connectivity
to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
stream,
so
negotiation goes from Po
rt 1 t
o Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
Changer
class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
into
the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
the
4000x in your
syste
m since they are different classes of devices, but I
wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a
while
to
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I didn't really g
et an
answer back. I've written an
g
t; emb
edded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
surly
Phatbox could.
If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
my
two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
Matt
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if i
t had
an effect. This last time I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in yo
ur dia
gram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the P
hatbox
into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have
tried
that at some point, but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
rote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
&
gt; me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
i
f that
would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
&
gt; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it
is pl
ugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dral
le
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
<B
R>
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conf
lict o
f information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get
mysel
f a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
gt; g
t;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on
how th
e Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
gt; g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolat
e
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
gt; Us
e the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Ma
tt Dra
lle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt; g
t; "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
g
t;
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable w
orks w
ith simple multi-
device
co
nfigur
ations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should the
n forc
e a reset
after
a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing
reset
. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
BR
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the P
hatbox
is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to b
e a co
nflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
so
meone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original messa
ge ---
-----------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and
the bl
ue wire. Note the color
;
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate a
little
with respec
t to c
olors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using ver
sion 7
.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
;
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son <
BR>>
; y conn
gt; ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmw
are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
gt;
; the
right time to initialize itself.
&g
t; After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
g
t; PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt;
g
t;
;
==================================================================
&
gt;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So f
rustra
ting, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
g
t; there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message -----------
--- <B
R> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 0
7:27 P
M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
g
t;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
;
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB t
hat R someone
wo
uldn't
mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you <B
R> have.
The
gt; links ar
e for
reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
If yo
u are using
anything els
e, you
are going to have operation
al iss
ues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(So
nyCabl
e5.pdf).
g
t;
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodifi
ed cab
le should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
g
t; is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt
regar
ding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
Produc
ts For Ai
rcraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k <BR
>
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
gt; g
t; wouldn
't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
th
e 4.7k
ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
g
t;
g
t;
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
<
BR>
; ; R
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description
of th
e connecti
;
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
&
gt; The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times.
Thus
the
PhatB
ox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then s
hutdow
n. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; g
t;
;
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 <B
R>
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
What do you know abou
t the
;
reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
&g
t; the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if
gt;
; that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
;
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, bu
t the
4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still b
e reco
gnized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-
------
------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
;
&g
t; sug
gested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still
wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
--
------
------ Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by:
Matt
Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
g
t; inf
ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf <B
R>
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt
Drall
e
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
g
t;
; 10k resistor between the blue (b
us mas
ter) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when dir
ectly
connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has tr
ouble
knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few secon
ds. Ho
wever, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle
@matro
nics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugges
ted
and the problem is still there
... as
soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
BR
;
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------
------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.c
om <BR
>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
;
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
>
;
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
g
t;
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to co
nnect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
gt; y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
gt;
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device ini
tializ
ation. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
;
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shut
down.
The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&
gt; <B
R>
==========================================
======
================== R
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
pl
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
;
gt; g <BR
>
t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
gt;
; and the problem is still there... as soo
n as t
he Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system
reset
s and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
---------
-----
Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-
- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
inf
ormati
on on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to
colors
and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.c
om/xdp
4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different
.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
BR Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connection
s
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
gt; An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
wor
k
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
>
;
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and
then
shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resi
ster i
nstalled as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon
as the
Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
s
ince
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
gt; --
------------ Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
&g
t; <BR
>
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
gt; little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.co
m/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
g
t;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going
to ha
ve operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
&g
t; >
; gt; a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The number
s can
not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
;
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without th
e pull
-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
g
t; right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
g
t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
&
gt; ;
==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring P
roduct
s For Aircraft
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
gt; g
t; From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one
of the
se. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
g
t;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
o
nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
&g
t; me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be c
ut. I
didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
gt; g
t; --- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-L
ist me
ssage posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and
can co
ntrol it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware? R
Matt
A
t 07:2
7 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@com
cast.n
et
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
a
ble d <B
R>
irect from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are
for r
eference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers
and wh
at not:
What Mat
t Foun
d on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here
is a m
essage from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed
cable
manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF w
ith a
detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified c
able <
BR> will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used
for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initializat
ion. W
ithout the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
>
;
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
g
t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
il
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t;Anyone out there with
&
gt; a wor
king spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
runnin
g out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different d
ependi
ng on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http:/
/www.m
atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
d
iffere
nt.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational iss
ues wi
th the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
his s
ystem. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
BR
; connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
>
;
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
gt; g
t; The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few s
econds
. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircra
ft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matroni
cs.com
/ WWW | Featu
ring P
roducts For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
a comp
lete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
shut d
own when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matron
ics.co
m
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
<B
R>
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resist
or sho
;
uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to <BR
>
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage
--------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
BR
; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
Note
the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
&
gt; you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
g
t;
;
What Phatbox Said:
h
ttp://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to h
ave op
erational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
&
gt; Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
his s
ystem. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware
5.00
and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
confi
gurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
g
&a
mp;g <
BR> t; t;
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
;
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spar
e Sony
Phatbox cable they're willing to
pa
rt wit
h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR
; Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
gt; g
t; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
gt; little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What P
hatbox Said:
http://www.m
; atro
ni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going t
o have
operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
BR
; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
his sy
stem. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should w
ork wh
en directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-devi
gt; g
t; ce con
figurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding p
ushing
reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; g
t;
==================================================================
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925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.
com/ W
WW | Featuring Products For A
ircraf
t
g
t;
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
; me
BR wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
rking:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not ma
tter b
ut I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
l
ower d
own it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
g
t; Yes
, and I even reinsta
lled t
he firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
gt; g
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find
it od
d that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
wrote
:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and
the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
&
gt; &g
t; 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a
worki
ng spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
gt; R -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
>
; low
are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground a
nd the
blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
gt;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
&
gt; different.
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec
t
a
1
0k res
istor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a P
DF wit
h a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
can b
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is us
ed for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at
all ti
mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
ri
ght ti
me to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
gt; g
t; tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted <
BR>>
; and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
g
t;
;
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
&g
t; --
XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
gt; R
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
gt; g
t; the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
&g
t; >
; http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
gt; De
pend
ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
hatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the co
&
gt; &g
t; lors a
re different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description
of the
connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t
; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal.
It is
an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
g
t; Aft
er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
gt; g
t; ;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
BR
; 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
&g
t; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
;
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
Produ
cts For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
p
l
>
;
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.
com R
-- XDP4000X-List message p
osted
by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
&g
t; 4000x
g
t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that res
istor
should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
illing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay,
here's some help on this cable issue. Below
are t
wo links to some
information on ho
w the
Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
BR
; you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
gt; g
t; What Phatbox Said:
http://www.ma
tronic
s.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way b
ack wh
en:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect <B
R>
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox
conne
ctor.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodi
fied c
able will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pul
l-down
the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld know best ab
out us
ing the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-6
06-628
1 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
<
BR>
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets an
d the
C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
BR
; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a
cable
direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
&g
t; <BR
> -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
gt; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers
and w
hat not:
What
Matt F
ound on his cable:
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
pgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt D
rall
e
For reference,
here
is a messag
e from
Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cab
le sho
uld work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
c
onfigu
rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified c
able w
ill
work
with any multi-device configurations.
;
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBo
x
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G
&
gt; Dralle
| Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.c
om Ema
il
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
======================================================
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925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
<
BR>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
A | 94
551
;
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.co
m Emai
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http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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ist/se
arch
Matt G Dralle | Matroni
cs | P
O Box 347 | Livermore
| CA
| 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Ok, I went ahead andclipped thereset wire and nowthe PBactually works in my
system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my
processor is not accepting analog audio at the analog changerinput any longer
(and it used to just fine)... Idid testand there is audio at the outputs of
the
PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull highs.
I threw my cd changerback in to see if my processor would accept analog audio
from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer
either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand sinc
e
I al
ways used
the digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
I have yet to try my XM unit, which I know the analog outs used to work on
since those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in my
system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late and
I
don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially
convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said
before it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken
inside
of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check
everything out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
&
gt; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Drall
e dral
le@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Cut the reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that line
down and never letting anyone else init.
Matt
At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
it
split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB) p
lugged
directly int
o the
Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
up fin
e and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30: PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
XT-XM1
: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
BR
;
gt; g
t;Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
the
system without the PB.
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both sides
besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a
thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
problem
is...lol
Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going to
>
;
have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original PB
gt; ca
ble from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than
it
was made by Phatnoise) or age o
f the
cable so I don't know how recent it has
been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables
that
were made before the modification was put in place.
I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
Ahhhh!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-Lis
t mess
age posted by: Matt Dralle
Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equi
pment.
Well,
unless you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger sla
ve
on
the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has
a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
some
examples:
CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU)
sends
out a broadcast asking for each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with "I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
pa
rticul
ar device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
(high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (lo
w nibb
le).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
powered
up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a protocol
sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
address
negotiation.
The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
&g
t; >
; The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
connectivity
to all of the slaves down stream until i
t rece
ives an address from the HU. On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the stream,
so
;
negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
Changer
class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
into
the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the
4000x in your system since they are diffe
rent c
lasses of devices, but I
wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
to
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I did
n't re
ally get an answer back. I've written an
embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
microco
ntroll
er and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
surly
Phatbox could.
If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
my
two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
Matt
At
04:59
AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
BR not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
g
t;
;So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basica
lly <B
R> C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you pr
g
t;
; omise
on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me wrote
after
I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the R
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
d
iagram
you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message post
ed by:
bobbybraun@comcast.net
g
t;
;
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
BR
; it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
--
XDP400
0X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
&
gt;
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
; in
BR my
4000x
powers
down,
the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of
the bo
ttom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-
------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
BR
; Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the versi
on of
cable
you
have.
>
;
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp40
00x/So
nyCable5.pd
f
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp
-4000x
.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
gt; g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are diffe
rent.
You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
g
t;
;
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
seen
on
&g
t; the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the
bus m
g
t;
;aster signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
A
fter t
he PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
g
t;
; Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
gt; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
BR
;
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is s
till t
here... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're R
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a ph
oto of
the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List
messa
ge posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
s
ome R information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only
and y
ou might find you need to
interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
gt;
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Sa
id: <B
R>
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
gt; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using
7.0 S
ony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
&g
t; connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
g
t;
; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly co
nnecte
d to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configuration
s. I'm
not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configu
ration
s.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot
and t
hen shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
BR
; listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle |
Matro
nics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@m
atroni
cs.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Air
craft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
&
gt; is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
gt;
; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 vers
ion of
the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had
the c
able modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in R my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
gt; g
t; someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
g
t;
<
BR>>
; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might f
ind R you n
eed to inter
polate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Un
ilink-
To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
g
t;
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
gt; t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manuf
acture
rs since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
conne
ct
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmo
dified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
g
t; igurat
&
gt; io
ns.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know be
st abo
ut using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
A | 94
551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
gt; suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a worki
ng spa
re Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part w
ith fo
r some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
gt; running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be differ
ent de
pendi
ng on
the version of cable you
&
gt; have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anyth
ing el
se, you are going to have operational
issues
with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We
chang
ed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
gt; R An u
nmodif
ied cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable w
orks w
ith simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho R
uld th
en force a reset after a
few s
>
;
econds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; R
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
;
g
t;
gt;
; What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
low
er dow
n it s
eemed that they fixed that with a fir
mware
update? Im not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shut
s down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find
it odd
that the Phatbox can still be
recogn
ized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At
07:27
PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
m
y
4000x
powers down, the system resets
and th
e C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
par
t with
for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Ok
ay, he
re's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information
on how
the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor be
tween
ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
gt; Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
diffe
rent.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We chang
ed cab
le manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
&g
t; 10k
resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description
of the
connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if f
irmwar
e 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down th
e
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initial
ize it
self.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
g
t;
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&
gt;
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as R suggested
and the problem is stil
l ther
e... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
;
I'm
running out of opt
ions h
ere. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: M
att Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
T
he
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Mat
t Foun
d on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
gt; cs
.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
;
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a mess
age fr
om Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
co
nnect
gt; R a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
&g
t;
g
t;
; gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device ini
tializ
ation. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
gt; R Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
&
gt;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
BR
==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So fr
ustrat
ing, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
pl
ugged
in. I find it odd that the
Phatb
ox can still be recognize
d and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comc
ast.ne
t
;
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90
only
communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
so
meone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of
option
s here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the
Phatbo
x-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending
on the
version of cable you
have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
; What
Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little R
differen
t.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
&
gt;
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
system. R
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attach
ed a P
DF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
gt; work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
g
t;
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G
Drall
e | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
s
u
ggest
ed
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
&
gt; to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody hel
p?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matron
ics.co
m
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the
versio
n of cable you
;
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phat
box Sa
id:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
;
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anyth
ing else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are t
he sam
e but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be
seen
on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
;
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
gt; t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox <BR
>
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regardi
ng pus
hing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http
://www
.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
gt;
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94
551 <B
R> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Bo
x 347
| Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@mat
ronics
.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
not try it wit
h it i
nstalled however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP
4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system
using
one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama'
s grav
e to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me wrote after I contacted
him t
he last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed
me the
reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask
Matt.
Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
--- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I
find
it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
BR
; Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-Li
st mes
sage posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
&
gt; <B
R>
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
BR
; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted b
y: Mat
t Dralle
Okay, here's
some
help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com
gt; g
t; /xdp40
00x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
&g
t; <BR
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For r
eferen
ce, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers s
ince M
att purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10
k resi
stor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an
unmod
ified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master s
ignal.
It is an input. It is used
for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initialization
. With
out the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few
second
s. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dr
alle@m
atronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
;
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon
as th
e Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable dir
ect fr
om the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybod
y help
?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@
matron
ics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
&g
t; BR
; http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
d
iffere
nt.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike W
oo at
Phatnoise way back
whe
n: <BR
>
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when direc
tly co
nnected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
;
with
any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
a comp
lete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can
c <BR
> ontrol
it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatb
ox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
&
gt; suggested
; and
the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage
--------------
From: Matt Dralle
&
gt; --
XDP4000X
-List
message posted by:
Matt
Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
;
g
t;
;
What
Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5
.pdf
BR
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors ar
e diff
erent. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
BR with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hou
t the
pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
gt; right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; R
&
gt;
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... a
s soon
as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k R
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR <B
R> ; Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay
, here
's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information
on how
the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
&
gt; &g
t; What P
hatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
;
SonyCable5.pdf
g
t;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connecti
ons <B
R> are th
e same but the colors
are di
fferent. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
att
ached
a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is us
ed fo
r
arbitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initial
ize it
self.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermor
e | CA
| 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/
WWW |
Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; g
t;
==================================================================
g
t; Mat
t G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
R
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on
the un
it
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
rking:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but
I coul
d be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update
? Im n
ot
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
&
gt; From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
gt; g
;
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
gt; plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister ins
t
alled
as
suggested
and
the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part w
ith for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4
000X-L
ist message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and y
ou mig
ht find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
gt; Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matroni
cs.com
/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager)
.
;
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the bl
ue (bu
s master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
can b
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when dir
ectly
connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmo
dified
cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox ha
s trou
ble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
g
t;
; to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regar
ds,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed a
s
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
gt; 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
&g
t;
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
g
t;
;
BR -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
&
gt; and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Sa
id: R
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
&g
t; any
thing else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
hatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t; Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are diff
erent.
You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
&g
t; PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with
simpl
e multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during de
vice i
nitialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after
a few
seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He
would
know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
BR
; 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
BR
;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Live
rmore
| CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6
281 F
| dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
p
l
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x wh
ich is
shut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know
what
to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP
4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
g
t; powers down, the system reset
s and
the C90 only communicates with the
BR
; Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
&
gt; wi
th
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
BR
; Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on ho
w the
Phatbox-Sony cables are wi
red. N
ote that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. <
BR>>
; The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
BR
;
gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issu
es wit
h the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoi
se way
back when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
BR
; The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox
conne
ctor.
An u
nmodif
ied cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
unmod
ified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boo
t and
then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt r
egarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld know best about using the C90.
g
t;
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system
reset
s and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Ph
atbox.
Still wo
nderin
g if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
BR
; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
; Okay
, here's some help on thi
s cabl
e issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired.
Note
that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
gt; g
t;
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
BR Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
&
gt; different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
pgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Wo
o at P
hatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
g
t; have
attached a PDF with a
detai
led description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
c
onfigu
ra
tions. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble know
ing wh
en is
&g
t; the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
BR
; Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G
Dralle
| Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
&g
t; BR&
gt;
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-100
1 V |
925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
A | 94
551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
QUOTE
gt;
&
;
gt; g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a
list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers up
fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4
000x,
PB in Control 1 of C
30:
PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when co
nnecte
d into
the
system without the PB.
g
t;
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbo
x is s
hut down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both
sidesbesides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn
a
thing from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the problem
is...lol
Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going to
have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original PBcable
from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the orig
in (ot
her than it was
made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has been
g
t; made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that
were
made before the modification was put in place.
g
t;
;I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
Ahhhh!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
unless
you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first C
DChang
er slave
on
the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has
a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
some
examples: R
CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x
, inte
rnal Bass/Treble
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with "I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
&
gt; particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
(high nibble) and the device's assigned address
on th
e UB (low nibble).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
powered
up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
device) from the last time it started, it w
ill re
set the bus (both a protocol
sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
address
negotiation.
The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
asical
ly what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
&
gt; connectivity
to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU. On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device
in th
e stream,
so
negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
Changer
class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
into
the HU or is on Port 1 of th
e firs
t XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the
4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
to
figure that o
ut. I
asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I didn't really g
et an
answer back. I've written an
embedded processor Unilink Slave emulat
or tha
t runs on an 8051-compatible
microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
surly
Phatbox could.
If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
my
two installations to see if the
probl
em is the Phatbox or something else.
Matt
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
I actually do have
one a
XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
;
So you don't think the reset line in yo
ur dia
gram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my insta
llatio
ns, I am plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems lik
e I mu
st have tried that at some point, but I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
A
t 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
rote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
me wrote after I
contac
ted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so shou
ld do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmw
are up
date? Im not sure
i
f that
would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, a
nd I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avai
l. So
frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it
is pl
ugged into the 400
0x whi
ch is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: b
obbybr
aun@comcast.net
We
ll I h
ad the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still won
dering
if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
g
>
;
t; g
t;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
BR *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
gt; g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt F
ound o
n his ca
ble:
BR
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
gt; Us
g
t;
; e the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way b
ack <B
R> when:
"We changed cable ma
nufact
urers since Matt purchased his system. The
g
t;
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed
descri
ption of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
co
nfigur
ations. I'm not sure if
firmwa
re 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
gt;
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
; is
BR the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should the
n forc
e a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606
-6281
F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
BR
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugg
ested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out t
here w
ith a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
so
meone
woul
dn't m
ind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
gt; R -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
&
gt; ;
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate a
little
; with
respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Sa
id: R
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatb
ox? If
you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are
the sa
me but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y con
n
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmw
are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
unmod
ified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used R
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will
boot a
nd then shutdown. The
g
t; PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
gt; R
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
h
ttp://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matroni
cs | P
O Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So f
rustra
ting, the C9
0 know
s the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I
find
it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dra
lle dr
alle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 0
7:27 P
M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
BR
; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone o
ut the
re
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB t
hat R someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dra
lle R
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to som
e
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
>
;
have.
The
gt; links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
diff
erent.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
If yo
u are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues wi
th the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
; have
attached a PDF with a detailed descri
ption
of the connections
(So
nyCabl
e5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An
unmod
ified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
gt; is
; the
right
time t
o initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should lis
ten <B
R> to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
Produc
ts For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still t
here..
. as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering i
f that
resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn
't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
gt;
BR Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables a
re wir
ed. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
g
t;
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCab
le5.pd
f
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
&
gt; Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
;
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires
. I
have
attach
ed a PDF with a detailed description of the connect
i
;
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the
PhatB
ox has tro
uble k
nowing when
is
the
right
&g
t; tim
e to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
;
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
================================================================== R
&
gt;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
What do you know abou
t the
reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k
or so
should do the
job
5 vs
10 sh
ould not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing w
as tha
t in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
;
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all
to no
avail. So frustrating,
the C
90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whe
never
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-
------
------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I
had t
>
;
he cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my R 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still
wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dra
lle &
gt; R
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
g
t; g
t; inf
ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
<
BR>
gt;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
&
gt; a
; g R t;
; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
g
t;
;
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitration during device
initia
lization. Without the pull-d
own th
e signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
; shou
ld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle
@matro
nics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&g
t; >
;
gt; We
ll I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
gt; St
ill wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
BR
;
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running ou
t of o
ptions here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original messa
ge ---
-----------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
gt; need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
&
gt; &g
t; What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox
-Cable
-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are y
ou using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message fro
m Mike
Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connec
tions are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
g
t;
;gt; y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
w
ork
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
;
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a r
eset a
fter a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G D
ralle
| Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW
| Fea
turing Products For Aircraft
==========================================
======
==================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics
.com/
WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the
C90 k
nows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
pl
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still b
e reco
gnized and
gt; g
t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of
the S
ony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.
net <B
R>
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soo
n as t
he Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
gt; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
&
gt; &g
t;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-
- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are
two l
inks to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and
pin nu
mbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable: <BR
>
http://www.matronics.c
om/xdp
4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might
be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
;
when:
<
BR>>
;
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF w
ith a
detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
wor
k
with any multi-device conf
igurat
i
o
ns. R
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to in
itiali
ze itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F |
dralle
@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon a
s the
Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
s
ince
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
&
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
r
unning out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
BR Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you m
ight f
ind you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
gt; Wh
at Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
g
t;
; 4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
g
t;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0
Sony f
irmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise wa
y back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
gt;
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
g
t;
; The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
;
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without
the pu
ll-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He
would
know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
g
t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-60
6-6281
F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
; ====
==============================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft <
BR>>
;
g
t;
matron
gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V |
925-60
6-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; R
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a
higher
value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
g
t; the
Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I'v
e ever
tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Mond
ay, yo
u wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
o
nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
me wrote after I contac
ted hi
m the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
gt; Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it s
eemed
that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
gt; g
t; --- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
;
Yes, and I even reinstalled th
e firm
ware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
contr
olled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware? R
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4
000X-L
ist message posted b
y: bob
bybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only c
ommuni
cates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
able d
irect from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
g
g
t; t;
; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Mat
t Foun
d on his cable:
http://www.matro
nics.c
om/xdp4000x/U
nilink
-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version
of ca
ble you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed
cable
ma
nufact
urers since Matt purchased his system. The
g
t; connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor
betwee
n the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is
with t
he bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used
BR
; for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initi
alizat
ion. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94
551 R 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
il
h
ttp://
www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&g
t;
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someon
e
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
runnin
;
&g
t; g o
ut of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
;
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable: <
BR>>
;
http:
/
/www.m
atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
d
iffere
nt.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
gt; Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from
Mike W
oo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable man
ufactu
rers since Matt purchased
his s
ystem. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi
-devic
e
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and
an un
modified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with th
e bus
master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
gt; Mi
ke"
>
;
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@
matron
ics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircra
ft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware an
d did
<
BR> a comp
lete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it
odd t
hat the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
shut d
own when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-
&
gt; - XDP4
000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resist
or sho
uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running
out o
f options here.
Can a
nybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage
--------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
gt; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
Note
the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What M
att Found on his cable:
R
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
g
t;
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use t
he dra
wing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to h
ave op
erational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Pha
tnoise
way back when:
"We chan
ged ca
ble manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The
numbe
rs can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware
5.00
and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf <BR
>
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the
bus m
aster signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
g
t; sho
uld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
g
t;
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
&g
t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
g
t; gt;
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox
.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
pa
rt wit
h for some cash, or a photo of t
he bot
tom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
ru
nning
out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR
; Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
BR
; need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a <
BR>>
;
gt; little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt
Found
on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What P
hatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thro
ugh Ph
atManager).
Matt Dralle
BR
; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way ba
ck whe
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They c
an be
seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi
-devic
e
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-devi
ce con
figurations.
BR
;
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. Ho
wever,
you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
M
ike" <
BR>
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matr
onics.
com
Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; g
t;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircr
aft
g
t;
&g
t; >
;
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable.
Here's
what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
; me
BR wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
rking:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware up
date?
Im not sure
if
&
gt; th
at would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message ---
------
-----
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
g
t; Yes
, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
gt; g
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x
&
gt; &g
t; which
is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
g
t;
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
wrote
:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and
the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90
only
communicates with the
; Phat
box.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they'
re wil
ling to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
gt; R -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
&g
t; >
; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *wil
l
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
; link
s are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
gt;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little <B
R>
different.
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware
(upgra
deable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec
t
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
at
tached
a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
can b R
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodifi
ed cab
le works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at
all ti
mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
th
e
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should li
sten
BR to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
gt; Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k oh
ms ins
tead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-
- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
gt; R
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor
betwe
en ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending
on th
e version of cab
le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said: <BR
>
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depend
ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Son
y firm
ware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have
operat
ional issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
hatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
conn
ection
s are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description
of the
connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
g
t;
; PhatBox connector.
; An u
nmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with th
e bus
master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
g
t; Aft
er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, yo
u shou
ld listen to
M
att regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
BR
; 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@ma
tronic
s.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
;
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Produ
cts Fo
gt;r A
ircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever i
t's <B
R>
p
l
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message p
osted
by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 vers
BR
; ion of
the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
&g
t; >
; suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
g
t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
illing
to
part with for some
cash,
or a photo of the bo
ttom o
f a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From:
Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on ho
w the
Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
BR R ; you n
eed
to int
erpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
&
gt;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dral
le
g
t;
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>
;
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox
conne
ctor.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm n
ot sur
e if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
gt; with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input
. It i
s used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt; R
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001
V | 92
5-6
06-628
1 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
&g
t; gt;
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
BR
; Anyone out there with
a wor
king spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn'
t mind
me using to get myself a
cable
&g
t; >
; direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
BR
; and what not might be differe
nt dep
ending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
littl
e
with
respect to colors and pin numbers
and w
hat not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are go
ing to
have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
pgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
&
gt; &g
t;
e
For reference, here is a messag
e from
Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
BR An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
c
&g
t; onf
igu
rations. I'm not sure if fi
rmware
6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
;
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. Ho
wever,
you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike" <BR
>
BR
;
Matt
G
Dralle
| Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.c
om Ema
il
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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It WORKS!!!! After lots of tinkering I finally got it to play, and it's
>
; work
sflawlessly and sounds just as good as I'd expect!
The only thing I can think of that was causing it to act funny last night was
maybebecauseI had a low battery which in the end caused all of the oddities with
my equipment, because everything works as it should now including the analog
outputs on my CD Changer... My optima batteryis on it's 7thyear now, and my
alternator doesn't do very well whenrunning atidle so after all thetinkering
lastnight,when I went to start my car this AM the battery was dead.
The first thing I did this morning was hook up my XM adapter to test my analog
inputs on the processor, and it worked perfectly (almost too perfectly
considering I cancelled my service back in December and it's still working ha
ha...) And is it just me, or doesXM sound evenWORSE than ever?!! I can't believe
I ever even paid for service that sounded so bad. Wow. E
ven th
ough right now I
could listen to it for free,after hearinghow bad it sounds I know I'dnever even
botherturning it on, so right nowit's unhooked and boxed up in my closet for
storage until I find someone who wants to take it off my hands lol.
Matt I want tothank you so much for all your help with this, I never
would'vefigured it out on my own! After running into all these problems maybe
we
did learn a little something about how the Phatbox intergrates into a
Sonysystem. First off,the reset line has to be cut in order for a PB to work
with a processor, but seems to work fine as a single Unilink source directly
connected to a compatible head unit with the reset wire stillconnected. And
another thingthat came up beforethat I'd like to point out,the Phatboxdoes work
when directly connected to my 4000x. I do not have my XA-C30 permanently
installed yet so the PB is m
y only
external music source at this time. I am now
curious however if the thing would've worked fine without the pulldown resistor
installed if the reset line had been cut the entire time. Regardless, wow what
an ordeal and I'm so glad it's over.
Now a couple questions about usage. How much should Ibe concerned about heat,
cold and vibrationaffecting the DMS cartridge? Where I live there are some
extreme cold temperatures, and we all know how hot it can get in the trunk of
a
car. I have it mounted with rubber grommets on a wooden carpeted surface, so
vibration should be at a minimum but I just thought I'd ask since you've been
using one of these for a while. And another thing, is there an easy way to
navigate through the countless number of albums you have at your disposal? I
haven't really sat down to use the thing yet, and haven't even listened to an
entire song y
et, so
I'm just wondering if there areany tricks to setting it up
to get the most out of the unit?
Thanks again for everything, now I can't wait to go on a longroadtrip and listen
to an endless amount of music! HA HA HA!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, I've thought about all that already, but here is the thing, I can't get
any
audio to be recognized by the 4000x through it's Analog Changer Inputs. The
only reason I know it sounds bad is because I hooked a set of headphones up to
the phatbox to test if any audio was present and when I listened it sounded
horrible, (if not mono). I listened to the same exact mp3 file that was being
played on the PB back inside on my computer through the same headset using the
crappy no
n 24bi
t burr brown outputs of my laptop and it sounded 1000x more full
and realistic, so that worries me. And the fact that I can't get any audio to
play back when plugged into t
he ana
log changer inputs worries me even more, I
really hope this thing didn't somehow damage my 4000x, there is no way I want
to
send it off to Sony and let them hack away at it like they did with my last C90
I sent them...
I have done a full reset from the C90 and still nothing. I'll test out my other
equipment that I know was working beforehand tomorrow and then I'll know more,
but that still doesn't change the issue with the terrible sound output of the
PB.
------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Great news!
&g
t; Cou
ple of things come to mind with respect to your new audio woes. Digital vs
Analog input on the 4000x is only negotiated on reset (button on C90), so with
all
the p
lugging around, make sure that you set things up like you want, then
press that reset button.
Second, the "tinny" sound might be because you've selected an unprogrammed
EQ/Xover setting on the 4000x. The default setting has some of the Xover
settings off or highly attenuated.
Plug your PC back into the 4000x and double check all of your EQ and XO memory
locations, and then make sure you select the right ones on the HU.
Almost there!
Matt
At 08:13 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Ok, I went ahead and clipped the reset wire and now the PB actually works in
my <B
R> system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my <B
R
processor is not accepting analog audio at the analog changer input any longer
(and it used to just fine)... I did test and there is audio at the outputs of
the PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull
highs.
I threw my cd changer back in to see if my processor would accept analog
audio
from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer
either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand since I always
used
the digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
I have yet to try my XM unit, which I know the analog outs used to work on
since those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in my
system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow si
nce it
's late and
I
gt; don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially
convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said
before it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken
inside
of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check
everything out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Cut the reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that
line
down and never letting anyone else init.
;
Matt
At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wro
te: <B
R> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then
from
it
split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a
list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB) plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB
powers
up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer I
nput o
f the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
C30:
PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees
the
PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
C30,
Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB
power
s up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
XM
Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input
of
XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
disappear,
BR
; C90 only sees the PB.
Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected
into
the
system without the PB.
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both
sides
besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged i
n. Bot
tom line, I didn't learn a
thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
problem
is...lol
Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your
system,
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
<B
R
to
have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset
line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original PB
cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other
than
it
was made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it
has
been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables
that
were made before the modification was put in place.
I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me
after
I
finished
all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've
been!
Ahhhh!
gt; g
t; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment.
Well,
unless you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger
slave
on
the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus
(UB)
has
a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along
; with
some
examples:
CD Changer: CD Changers
, Phat
box, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for
each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
"I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device
class
(high nibble) and the device's assigned address o
n the
UB (low nibble).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
powered
up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
protocol
sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire)
and s
tart a whole new bus
address
negotiation.
The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the
bus.
The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically
what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
;
connectivity
to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the
HU.
On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
stream,
so
negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
Changer
class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly
plugged
into
the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this address
ing li
mitation shouldn't be conflicting
with
the
4000x
in yo
ur system since they are different classes of devices, but I
wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a
while
to
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've
written
an
embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an
8051-compatible
microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is
100%
compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do
it,
surly
Phatbox could.
If you'd like, you can send m
e your
Phatbox and I can give it a try here
on
my
two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or somet
hing <
BR> else.
Matt
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last
time
I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So
you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Pha
tbox.
I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
Phatbox
directly into a 4000. S
eems l
ike I must have tried that at some
point,
but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning
you
a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram?
This
is
the
only other difference shown in your diag
ram th
at wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not
working:
&
gt; Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should
do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do
this
because
gt; lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even
reins
talled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
a
fterwa
rds, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down
when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
g
t; From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with th
e 4.7k
ohm resister
installed <BR
>
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates
with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
g
t; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable
they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
--
; XDP4000X-Lis
t mess
age posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two
links
to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note
that
you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note
the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the v
ersion
of
cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
<B
R
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
<
BR>>
; Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be
a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If
you
are
using
gt; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with
the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise
way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
gt; g
t; system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You
want
to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master
) and
orange
(ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can
be
seen
gt;
; on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It
is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the
pull-down
the
signal
stays high
(+5V)
at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then <B
R
shutdown.
The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you
should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using
the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
installed
as
sugges
ted
g
t; and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable
they're
willing
gt; to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List m
essage
posted by: Matt Dralle
gt; g
t;
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two
links
to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note
that
you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note
the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of
cable
you
have.
The
g
t;
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atron
i <BR
>
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If
you
are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with
the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're
using
7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise
way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You
want
to
connect a
g
t; 10k resistor between th
e blue
(bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
g
t;
; head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It
is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the
pull-down
the
gt; signal
stays h
igh (+
5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then
shutdown.
The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you
should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know bes
t abou
t using
the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
g
t; Aircraft
==================================================================
<
BR>>
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
g
t; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be reco
gnized
and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down
when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
&g
t; Fro
m: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
;
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that res
istor
should've been 10k ohms instead
of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox c
able t
hey're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
gt;
; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different dep
ending
on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
&
gt; you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
;
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, her
e is a
message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires. I
have
gt; g
t; attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
g
&g
t; t;
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the P
hatBox
is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
9
25-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@m
atroni
cs.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
plugged
in
my
4000x
p
owers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
&
gt; I'm
gt;
; running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
*will
gt; g
t; need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Foun
d on h
is cable:
http://www.matron
ics.co
m/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0
Sony
firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his s
ystem.
The
co
nnecti
ons are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected
to a
head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during d
evice
initialization. Without the pull-down
the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
knowing
when
gt; is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
g
t;
;
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
================
======
============================================
g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
gt;
; What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram?
This
is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should
do
&
gt; th
e
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
gt; g
t; that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do
this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
Fro
m: bob
bybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
P
hatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down
when
the
gt; Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
gt; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the p
roblem
is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
;
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
gt;
Okay, here
's som
e help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
gt; little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
g
&g
t; t;
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
g
t;
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be se
en on
the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
;
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signa
l
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then
force
a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt;
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
gt; suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instea
d of <
BR> 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
g
t;
; someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
gt; g
t; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the b
lue wi
re. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
;
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have opera
tional
issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
gt; connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head <B
R
unit.
F
irmwar
e 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
gt; when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike" <BR
>
BR
gt;
; ;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is
there
, <B
R>
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
pl
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down
when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: M
att Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Pha
tbox i
s plugged
in
my
4000x
gt; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
so
me <BR
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
g
t; col
or
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
gt; g
t;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best y
our in
stallation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (
upgrad
eable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue
(bus
master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the
Sony
connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
wi
ll
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
g
t;
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a
reset
after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@ma
tronic
s.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
g
t; cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
gt; g
t; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding <
BR>>
;
gt;
;
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
gt; g
t;
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have ope
ration
al issues with the
xdp-4000x.
g
t;
; Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the b
lue (b
us master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if
firmw
are 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
Af
ter th
e PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
&
gt; Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
gt; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
g
t;
; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO B
ox 347
|
Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last
time
I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
resistor
gt; g
t; could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox i
nto th
e system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
but
I
can't rem
ember
for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning
you
a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
gt; unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time ab
out th
e 4.7k resistor
not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
when
gt; g
t; directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
--- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a comp
lete s
ystem
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
gt; plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
;
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k o
hm res
ister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out t
here w
ith a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay
, here
's some help on this cable issue.
Below
are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
gt; What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the dr
awing
that matches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else,
you a
re going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
g
t; orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the
Sony c
onnector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
;
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a
few s
econds. However,
you s
hould
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
<B
R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t;An
yone o
ut there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
gt;
; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you <
BR>>
; have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
gt; http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
d
iffere
nt.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
gt; g
t; xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
P
hatMan
ager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
;
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
wor
k
with any multi-device configurations.
gt;
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@
matron
ics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
; ==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
a comp
lete system reset
;
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plu
gged i
nto the 4000x which isshut down when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
g
t; Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
;
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage
-
-------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be differe
nt dep
ending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
gt; g
t; eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
g
t;
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches
best y
our installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable
throu
gh
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
gt; are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmwar
e 6.00
&g
t; and
an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
P
hatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dra
lle@ma
tronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; g
t;
gt; R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbo
x cabl
e they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
runni
ng out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR
; Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below a
re two
links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-P
>
; hatb
ox
-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What P
hatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational is
sues w
ith the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want
to con
nect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed
descr
iption of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It i
s an i
nput. It is used
for
arbitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has t
rouble
knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
g
t; Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; g
t;
==================================================================
gt;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 34
7 | Li
vermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
is
the
only other d
iffere
nce shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
rking:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut.
I didn
t do this
because
gt; g
t; lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
gt; afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
gt; g
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox
can s
till be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted b
y: Mat
t Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and
the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
g
t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wonderin
g if t
hat resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
gt; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note th
e colo
r
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
g
t;
; The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
; diff
erent.
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
x
dp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
gt; "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
can b
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
u
nit.
BR Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works
with s
imple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
gt; g
t;
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt
G Dra
ll
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
gt; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
;
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
&
gt; so
meone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
g
t;
; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to col
ors an
d pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
g
t;
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
hatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable
manuf
acturers since Matt purchased his system. The
conne
ctions
are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configur
ations
. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used <B
R>
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot a
nd the
n shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
BR
; 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
g
t; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
======
======
======================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt;
;
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
p
l
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
&g
t; <BR
> ;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the prob
lem is
still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
g
t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
w
ith
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
;
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on ho
w the
Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the
blue
wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are
for re
ference
only a
nd you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
g
t; http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
g
t;
<BR
>
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on
the S
ony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox
conne
ctor.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf <
BR>>
; igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device in
itiali
zation. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt;
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
; gt;
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
BR
; my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
BR
; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
gt; running out of options here. Can
anybo
dy help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
gt; <B
R BR
; and what not might be different depending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-
Rev1.p
df
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
gt; g
t; atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
pgradeable through PhatManager).
Mat
t Dral
l
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You
want t
o
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on
the So
n
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
c
onfigu
rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at a
ll tim
es. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
;
BR
;
Matt G
Dralle
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
;
g
t;
&g
t; Mat
t G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
gt; g
t; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
A | 94
551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
QUOTE
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Fea
turing
Products For Aircraft <BR
>
Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then
from
itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a
list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB
powers
up
fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
C30:
PB
g
t;
; powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees
the
PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
C30,
Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is rec
ognize
d, 4000x and
Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
XM
Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input
of
XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected
into
the
system without the PB.
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both
sidesbesides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't
learn a
t
hing from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
problem
is...lol
Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your
system,
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
to
have the cable modified one last time wi
th a 1
0k resistor and the reset
line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original
PBcable
from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it
was
made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has
been
made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that
were
made before the modification was put in place.
I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I
finished
all these te
sts, i
f there had been who knows what the outcome would've
been!
Ahhhh!
-------------- Original message --------------
g
t;
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment.
Well,
unless you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger
slave
on
the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
has
a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
some
examples:
CD Changer: CD C
hanger
s, Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radi
o (ori
ginal Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x
, inte
rnal Bass/Treble
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for
each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
"I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device
class
(high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each
time
the HU is
powered
up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
protocol
sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
addr
ess <B
R> negotiation.
The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the
bus.
The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
asical
ly what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
connectivity
to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the
HU.
gt; g
t; On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
stream,
so
negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
Changer
class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
into
the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't
be con
flicting with
the
4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a
while
g
t;
; to
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I didn't really g
et an
answer back. I've written an
embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is
100%
compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
surly
Phatbox could.
If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here
on
my
two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
Matt
&g
t; ; <
BR>
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in yo
ur dia
gram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ev
er tri
ed plugging the
Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
rote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the <
BR>>
; job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
g
t; dia
gram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
i
f that
would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 400
0x jus
t shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it
is pl
ugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
gt; g
t; Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the sys
tem re
sets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
gt; g
t;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
g
t; som
e
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired.
Note
that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
gt; g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://w
ww.mat
ronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
gt; Us
e the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are <B
R> using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
g
t;
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They ca
n be s
een
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when
direct
ly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
co
nfigur
ations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at
all t
imes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should the
n forc
e a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regar
ds, <B
R> Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
BR
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a c
onflic
t of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bot
tom of
a Sony PB that
so
meone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this c
able i
ssue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
;
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbe
rs and
what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matro
nics.c
om/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
;
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacture
rs sin
ce Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y con
n
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmw
are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. T
hus th
e PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
g
t; PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Mat
ronics
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
;
==========================================================
======
==
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So f
rustra
ting, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
&g
t; ; <
BR>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 0
7:27 P
M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still w
onderi
ng if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB t
&g
t; hat
R someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
g
t; Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
gt; links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
<
BR>
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
If yo
u are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
gt; Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the co
lors a
re different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(So
nyCabl
e5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
th
e
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus th
e Phat
Box has trouble knowing when
gt; is
gt;
; the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronic
s.com/
WWW | Featuring
Produc
ts For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as t
he Pha
tbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
g
t;
; to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn
't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
informati
on on
how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
g
t;
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
gt; cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
;
&g
t; Are
you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from
Mike
Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
;
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unm
odifie
d cable should work when directly connected
to a
head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the
PhatB
ox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
gt; Ph
atBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
<
BR>>
; Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
;
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; ==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
What do you know abou
t the
reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other differe
nce sh
own in your dia
gramth
at wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if
gt; that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
;
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message ----
------
----
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
gt; it
's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-
------
------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At
07:27
PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-
- XDP4
000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still
wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
BR
; someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
&
gt; --
------------ Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
g
t; inf
ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
g
t; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp400
0x/Son
yCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
gt; g
t; different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
gt; a
g
t;
; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires
. I <B
R> have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
g
gt;
; t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the
PhatB
ox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
gt; g
t; Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle
@matro
nics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powe
rs dow
n, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still
wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
BR
;
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message ----------
----
BR From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
Note
the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respec
t to c
olors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
;
anything else, you are going to have operational issu
es wit
h the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
;
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
gt; y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works wit
h simp
le multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
ar
bitrat
ion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
;
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
BR
; Matt
G Dral
le | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==========================================
======
==================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W
WW | F
eaturing Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
pl
ugged
in. I fin
d it o
dd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
gt; g
t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soo
n as t
he Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
g
t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 o
nly co
mmunicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dr
alle
BR
-
- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground an
d the
blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
gt; with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.c
om/xdp
4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xd
p-4 <B
R> 000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-de
vice <
BR> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
wor
k
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pul
l-down
the
signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
g
t;
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tr
onics
| PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
;
s
ince
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself
a cabl
e direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's
some
help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronic
s.com/
xdp400
0x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
g
t;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
Phat
Manage
r).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the c
olors
are different. You want to
connect
gt; a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the
Son
BR y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
;
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays
high (+5V) at all
times.
Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
g
g
t; t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
;
<
BR> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
gt;
matron
gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
tried
using it with the Phatbox just to se
e if i
t had an effect. This last time
I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it ano
ther t
ry.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-
4000-C
30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-
- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
o
nly other difference shown in your diagram tha
t wasn
't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it
still
work
when <B
R
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
gt; g
t; --- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can stil
l be r
ecognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dral
le <BR
>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware? R
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the ca
ble mo
dified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Son
y PB t
hat
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
g
t;
able d
irect from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
not mi
ght be different depending on the versio
n of c
able you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
&g
t; <BR
> What Mat
t Foun
d on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches
best y
our in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed
cable
manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
&g
t; connections are the same but
the co
lors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
gt; work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used
for
g
t;
; arbitration during device
initia
lization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
;
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
il
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
g
t; suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
runnin
g out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, h
ere's
some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http:/
/www.m
atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
d
iffere
nt.
; Us
e
the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
his s
ystem. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
g
t;
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn <
BR>>
; ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
w
ith any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt rega
rding
pushing reset. He
would
know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircra
ft
==================================================================
gt; g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
a comp
lete system re
set <B
R> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
gt; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
shut d
own when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun@comcast.net
g
t;
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7
k ohm
resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resist
or sho
uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
gt; g
t; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage
--------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
O
kay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
Note
the color coding
and what not might be different depend
ing on
the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
g
t;
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
gt; Us
e the
drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to h
ave op
erational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but
the c
olors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on <B
R> the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware
5.00
and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
g
t; igu
rat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regar
ding p
ushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike
"
g
t;
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spar
e Sony
Phatbox cable they're willing
to
pa
rt wit
h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR
; Drall
BR
; e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you nee
d to i
nterpolate a
gt; little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What P
hatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to
have o
perational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
BR
; For reference, here is
a mes
sage from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
gt;
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-devi
ce con
figurations.
The problem is wi
th the
bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without the p
ull-do
wn the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
gt; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&g
t; <BR
> gt; g
t;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
; me
BR wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
rking:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or s
o shou
ld do
the
job
gt; 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
g
t;
g
t; Yes
, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
&
gt;
gt; g
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
g
t;
; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
wrote
:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and
the pr
oblem is still
there.
.. as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only co
mmunic
ates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
gt; R -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X
-List
message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
&
gt; in
formation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
;
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
gt;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 So
ny fir
mware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using
7.0 So
ny firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec
t
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The number
s can
not be seen on the Sony connector. They
can b
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable s
hould
work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at
all ti
gt; g
t; mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
R
egards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
g
t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
p
art wi
th for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
gt; R
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
g
t;
; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with
respe
ct to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
Wha
t Phat
box Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depend
ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
hatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way b
ack wh
en:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description
of the
connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
;
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal
. It i
s an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
g
t;
;
g
t; Aft
er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
BR
; 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW |
Featu
ring Products For Aircraft
&
gt;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
;
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
;
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
p
l
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
<B
R>
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message p
osted
by: Matt Dralle
;
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
g
t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst <B
R
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
w
ith
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
illing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay,
here's
some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on ho
w the
Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
&g
t; BR
; you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
gt;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
g
t;
Matt Dralle
g
t;
F
or reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
gt; g
t; PhatBox
conne
ctor.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any m
ulti-d
evice conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays
high
(+5V) at al
l time
s. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-6
06-628
;
1 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
&
gt; <B
R> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
g
t;
BR
; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a
cable
direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
<
BR>>
; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
to so
me
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers
and w
hat not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Re
v1.pdf
What
Phatbo
x Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
pgradeable through PhatManager).
g
t; Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a messag
e from
Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor bet
ween t
he blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be
seen
on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
c
onfigu
rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
;
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble k
nowing
when
>
; is <
BR> the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G
Dralle
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281
F | d
ralle@matronics.c
om Ema
il
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-60
6-1001
V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t
;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
A | 94
551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.co
m Emai
l
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
QUOTE
g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
ist/se
arch
&g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Ok, I went ahead andclipped thereset wire and nowthe PBactually works in my
system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my
processor is not accepting analog audio at the analog changerinput any longer
(and it used to just fine)... Idid testand there is audio at the outputs of
the
PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull highs.
I threw my cd changerback in to see if my processor would accept analog audio
from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer
either... (I can't say for 100% that they worke
d befo
re hand since I always
used
the digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
I have yet to try my XM unit, which I know the analog outs used to work on
since
those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in my
system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late and
I
don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially
convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said
before it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken
inside
of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check
everything out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
-------------- Original message -------------
-
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
<B
R
Cut the reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that
line
down and never letting anyone else init.
Matt
At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
it
split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a
list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB) plugged directly int
o the
Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
up fine and is reco
gnized
, 4000x disappears
and t
he C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30:
PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
XM
Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
dis
appear
,
C90 only sees the PB.
gt; g
t;Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and
XM ra
dio work perfectly when connected into
the
system without the PB.
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both sides
besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a
thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
problem
is...lol
Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
to
have the cabl
e modi
fied one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original PB
cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than
it
was made by Phatnoise)
or age
o
f the
cable so I don't know how recent it has
been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables
that
were made before the modification was put in place.
I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
Ahhhh!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
gt; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
unless you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger sla
ve
on
the bus. Each class of
access
ory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
has
a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
some
examples:
CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 2
10, 40
00x, internal Bass/Treble
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
"I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
(high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (lo
w nibb
le).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
powe
red <B
R> up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
protocol
sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus <B
R
address
negotiation.
The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
connectivity
to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
stream,
so
;
negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
Change
r
class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
into
the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
the
4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
to
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've written an
embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
microco
ntroll
er and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
surly
Phatbo
x could.
I
f you'
d like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
my
two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
Matt
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
g
t;
;So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
BR
;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexe
r? On
both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you pr
omise
on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/
2006 M
onday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me wrote after I contacte
d him
the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the R
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
;
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
g
t;
;
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complet
e syst
em
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
BR
; whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
--
XDP400
0X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister install
ed <B
R
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers
down,
the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can a
nybody
help?
-
------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
<
BR>>
;
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the versi
on of
cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interp
olate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pd
f
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be
a <BR
> little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x. <B
R
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
gt; g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCabl
e5.pdf
).
g
t;
;
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the
bus m
aster signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
signal
stays high (+5V) at al
l time
s. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the P
hatBox
is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
g
t;
; Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.ma
tronic
s.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
BR
;
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phat
box. <
BR> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're R
willing
to
part with for som
e cash
, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
s
ome R information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground an
d the
blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on th
e vers
ion of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
gt;
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using vers
ion 7.
0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
gt; anything else, you a
re goi
ng to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
g
t;
; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I <B
R
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit. <B
R>
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configuration
s. I'm
not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitrat
ion du
ring device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot
and t
hen shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
>
; Mike
"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
gt; 92
5-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@m
atroni
cs.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Air
craft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no a
vail.
So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there,
&g
t; and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
gt;
; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 P
M 4/17
/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
R my <
BR> 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
w
ouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
g
t;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. No
te tha
t you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you m
ight f
ind R you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
g
t;
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything
else,
you are going to have operational issues with the
g
t; xdp
-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
conne
ct
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a he
ad uni
t.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
g
t; igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know be
st abo
ut using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4
.7k oh
m resister installed as
gt; suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo o
f the
bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
gt
; running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different dependi
ng on
the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
gt; litt
le <BR
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
gt; Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
&
gt; <B
R> "We
chang
ed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
; Phat
Box connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable w
orks w
ith simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is use
d
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then
shutdo
wn. The
PhatBox
sho R
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; R
=====================================================
======
=======
BR
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
gt;
; What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
gt; g
t;
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not mat
ter bu
t I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a fir
mware
update? Im not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
g
t;
; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shut
s down
&
gt;
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are yo
u running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At
07:27
PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the
C90 on
ly communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a wor
king s
pare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
par
t with
for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resis
tor be
tween
gr
ound and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
gt; Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing th
at mat
ches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to h
ave op
erational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We chang
ed cab
le manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
gt; g
t; have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodif
ied ca
ble works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if f
irmwar
e 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the <B
R
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
g
t;
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
<
BR>>
; Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as R suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
;
<B
R>
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
;
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
T
he
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
<BR
>
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
;
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
g
t; using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
c
onnections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
co
nnect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
g
t;
; gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization.
Witho
ut the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has troub
le kno
wing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
gt; R Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
&g
t;
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
pl
ugged
in. I find it odd that the
Phatb
ox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
&g
t;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
;
Well I had the cable modified
with t
he 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a So
ny PB
that
so
meone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can a
nybody
help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending
on the
version of cable you
have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
wi
th res
pect to colors and pin
number
s and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little R
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt
Drall
e
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
sy
stem.
R
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connec
ted to
a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
gt; work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the p
ull-do
wn the
signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
g
t;
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
s
uggest
e
d
and the problem is st
ill th
ere... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody hel
p?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
g
t; Dra
ll
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
<B
R>
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
;
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What
Matt F
ound on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
&g
t; ;
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are t
he sam
e but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers
can n
ot be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when d
irectl
y connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
;
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
gt;
en fo
rce a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regardi
ng pus
hing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
gt;
;
gt;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
&g
t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Bo
x 347
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
I ac
tually
do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP
4000X-List message posted by: Mat
t Dral
le
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've
ever t
ried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing
the wo
rk on the unit
for
me wrote
after
I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask
Matt.
Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
--- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.n
et
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Ye
s, and
I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
BR
; Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version
g
t; of the
Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the
4.7k o
hm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
;
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted b
y: Mat
t Dralle
&g
t; Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
;
not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com
/xdp40
00x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing
that m
atches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are yo
u using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For r
eferen
ce, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a
detai
led description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on
the S
ony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an
unmod
ified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high
(+5V)
at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few
second
s. However,
you sh
ould
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products
For A
ircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon
as th
e Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
; gt;
g
t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using
to ge
t myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@
matron
ics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference
only
and you might find you n
eed to
interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
BR
; http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
d
iffere
nt.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
;
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference,
here i
s a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
; Phat
Box connector.
An unmodified cable should work when direc
tly co
nnected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The pr
oblem
is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and the
n shut
down. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
<
BR>
==================================================================
gt; l
t;
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
a comp
lete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatb
ox
is plugged in... I jus
t don'
t know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the
syste
m resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
&g
t; wit
h
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage
--------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X
-List
message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpol
ate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
;
g
t;
;
What Phatbox Said:
g
t;
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when
:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections <B
R
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
BR with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus m
aster
signal. It is an input. It is used for
&
gt; ar
bitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001
V | 92
5-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister instal
led as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
R
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a
photo
of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR
; Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable i
ssue.
Below are two links to some
information
on how
the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What P
hatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
;
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches b
est yo
ur installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox
? If y
ou are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors
are di
fferent. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
;
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatB
ox con
nector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is us
ed for
arbitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connect
ed, it
will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
; Rega
rds,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermor
e | CA
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; g
t;
==================================================================
g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
R
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat
wasn'
t done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
BR
; rking:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update
? Im n
ot
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
&g
t; Fro
m: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
gt; g
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
gt; plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
gt; Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
&g
t;
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister ins
talled
as
suggested
and
the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help? <B
R>
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
;
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
gt; Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http
://www
.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
gt; <B
R Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
;
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF
with a
detailed description of the connections
(SonyC
able5.
pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
can b
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when dir
ectly
connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
g
t; rig
ht time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot
and t
hen shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
g
t;
; to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
<B
R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
gt; 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor shoul
d've b
een 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
gt; ru
nning out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
BR -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
a
nd wha
t not might be different depending on the version of cab
le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and p
in
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable th
r
ough P
gt; g
t; hatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t; Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable s
hould
work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with
simpl
e multi-device
configuratio
ns. I'
m not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. Ho
wever,
you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He
would
know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
BR
; 94551
&
gt; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | P
O Box
347 | Live
rmore
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
p
l
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
&
gt; co
ntrolled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know
w
hat <B
R to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
g
t; powers down, the system reset
s and
the C90 only communicates w
ith th
e
Phatbox.
Still wondering
if tha
t resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
BR
; Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below
are tw
o links to some
information on ho
w the
Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what n
ot mig
ht be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
;
What Phatbox Said:
h
ttp://
www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable
throu
gh PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoi
se way
back when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. <B
R
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox
conne
ctor.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
unmod
&g
t; ifi
ed cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
g
t;
; ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld know best about using the C90.
g
t;
Regards,
Mike"
g
t;
; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-
606-62
81 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Ph
atbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
g
t;
; BR
; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out o
f opti
ons here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
; Okay
, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground
and t
he blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.
pdf <B
R>
What Phatbox Said:
gt; g
t;
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things
might
be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
pgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Wo
o at P
hatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bu
s mast
er) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
c
onfigu
ra
tions. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbit
ration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble k
nowing
when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
BR
; Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G
Dralle
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@mat
ronics
.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-10
0
1 V |
925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
g
t;
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
A | 94
551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
QUOTE
gt;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well, I went and
tried
every option I could think of within my resources,
BR
; short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a
list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
up
fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C
30: PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
Changer both disappear,
C90 o
nly sees the PB.
XA-C30 p
lugged
into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
XM
Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
the
system without the PB.
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbo
x is s
hut down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both
sidesbesides C90 and
PB wh
en the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't
learn
a
thing from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
problem
i
s...lol
Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
to
have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original
PBcable
from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it
was
made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has
been
made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that
were
made be
fore t
he modification was put in place.
g
t;
;I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
Ahhhh!
<
BR>>
; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
unless you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger slave
on
the bu
s. Eac
h class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
has
a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
some
examples: R
CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x
, inte
rnal Bass/Treble
&g
t; On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
"I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
; (hig
h nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
powered
up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
device) from the last time it started, it w
ill re
set the bus (both a protocol
sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
address
negotiation.
The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
The
closer a de
vice i
s to the HU the lower its address will be. B
asical
ly what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
connectivity
to all of
the sl
aves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
stream,
so
negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
Changer
class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
into
the HU or is on Port 1 of th
e firs
t XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
the
4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
wanted
to point out the caveat with t
he Pha
tbox addressing since it took me a while
to <B
R
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I didn't really g
et an
answer back. I've written an
embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
surly
Phatbox could.
If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
my
two installations to see if the
probl
em is the Phatbox or something else.
Matt
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X
-List
message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and dur
ing my
initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in yo
ur dia
gram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my insta
llatio
ns, I am plugging
the Phatbox into the system u
sing o
ne of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C
30 if
you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
rote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
gt; me wrote after I
contac
ted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down i
t seem
ed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
i
f that
would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message ---------
-----
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, a
nd I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it
is pl
ugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phat
box is
plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4
000X-L
ist message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: b
obbybr
aun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict o
f info
rmation.
<
BR> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
g
t; g
t;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
gt; *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
&g
t; The
gt; g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his ca
ble:
BR
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what ve
rsion
of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
gt; Us
e the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dr
alle <
BR>
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable ma
nufact
urers since Matt purchased his system. The
g
t;
connections are the same but the
colors
are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
co
nfigur
ations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
wi
ll <BR
> work
with any multi-device configurations.
gt;
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should the
n forc
e a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606
-6281
F
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
BR
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt;
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
so
meone
woul
dn't m
ind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
run
ning o
ut of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
gt; *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
;
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate a
little
; with
respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbo
x-Cabl
e-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
;
gt;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are differe
nt. Yo
u wan
t to <
BR> connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmw
are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
unmod
ified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
BR
; The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times.
Thus
the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
g
t; PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
;
gt; R
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matr
onics
| PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even re
instal
led the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So f
rustra
ting, the C9
0 know
s the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are yo
u runn
ing the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
BR
;
At 0
7:27 P
M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a pho
to of
the bottom of a Sony PB t
hat R someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myse
lf a c
able direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dra
lle R
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
g
t; gt; links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-T
o-Phat
box-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
If yo
u are using
anything else, you are goin
g to h
ave operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor b
etween
the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
; have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(So
nyCabl
e5.pdf).
The numbers
can n
ot be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
gt; is
; t
he <BR
>
right time to initialize itself.
gt;
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
Produc
ts For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm re
sister
installed as
suggested
and the problem is still t
here..
. as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powe
rs dow
n, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn
't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
---------
-----
Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
BR Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *
will <
BR> need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
g
t;
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
g
t;
;
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
;
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If
you a
re using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManag
er).
BR
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attach
ed a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
;
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directl
y conn <B
R>
ected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the
PhatB
ox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right
time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seco
nds. H
owever, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR <B
R>
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
;
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
gt; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
What do you know abou
t the
reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the c
able.
Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs
10 sh
ould not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing w
as tha
t in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
;
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP
4000X-
List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and d
id a c
omplete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whe
never
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-
------
------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
gt;
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
&
gt; --
XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my R 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still
wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind
me us
ing to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
<
BR>>
; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
g
t; g
t; inf
ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only an
d you
might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of
cable
you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make s
ure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
g
t;
; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
g
t;
;
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connec
tor.
BR
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
; s
hou <B
R ld then force a reset after a few seconds.
Howev
er, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle
@matro
nics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
gt; St
ill wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
<
BR> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
BR
;
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
gt;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
gt; need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
&
gt; g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://
www.ma
tronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are y
ou using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
&g
t; Fo
r refe
rence, h
ere is
a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
g
t;
;gt; y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
gt; configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
&
gt; t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
;
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a r
eset a
fter a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
g
t;
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.c
om/ WW
W | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==========================================
======
==================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics <B
R
.com/
WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
pl
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
gt; g
t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when th
e
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of
the S
ony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soo
n as t
he Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
gt;
th <B
R> ere seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-
- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
gt; the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. <B
R>
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and
pin nu
mbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.c
om/xdp
4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a littl
e
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t; <B
R>
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
;
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor betw
een th
e blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
wor
k
with any multi-device conf
igurat
io
ns. R
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without
the p
ull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
BR gt; http://www.matronics.com/ W
WW | F
eaturing Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
s
ince
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
g
t;
; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
r
unning out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message -------------- <BR
>
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
gt; have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
gt; Wh
at Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
at
roni <
BR> cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
g
t;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.
0 Sony
firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise wa
y back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
gt; a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I <B
R>
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pd
f). <B
R
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
g
t;
; The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
;
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing wh
en is
the
right time to initialize itself.
<
BR>>
; After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
g
t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-60
6-6281
F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
==================================================================
;
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925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
ht
tp://w
ww.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | <B
R
925-60
6-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original messa
ge ---
-----------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
g
t;
;
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
g
t; the
Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
>
;
gt;
o
nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me wrote after I contac
ted hi
m the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
BR
; directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
<
BR>>
; -------------- Original message -----------
gt; g
t; --- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
;
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
gt; Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox
firmwa
re? R
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4
000X-L
ist message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and
the C
90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
able d
irect from the factory? I'm
runni
ng out of options here. Can anybody help?
g
t;
; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
gt;
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Mat
t Foun
d on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/U
nilink <
BR>>
; -To-Phatbox
-Cable
-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
;
"We changed
cable
manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
g
t; connections are the same but the colors are different.
You wa
nt to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmwa
re 6.0
0 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used
BR
; for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high
(+5V)
at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding push
ing re
set. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
il
h
ttp://
www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Pha
tbox i
s plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
g
t;
; Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
runnin
;
g out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
gt; Ok
ay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below
are t
wo links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http:
/
/www.m
atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
gt; g
t;
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
d
iffere
nt.
Use the drawing that
matche
s best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable man
ufactu <B
R
rers since Matt purchased
his s
ystem. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. The
y can
be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
gt; g
t; work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with th
e bus
master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
t
o
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
g
t;
; Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@
matron
ics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircra
ft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
Produc
ts For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did <
BR>>
; a comp
lete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it
odd t
hat the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
shut d
own when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP
4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable m
odifie
d with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resist
or sho
uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be
a con
flict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage
--------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
<BR
>
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
gt; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the
4.7k
ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
Note
the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
g
t;
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use t
<B
R>
gt; he dra
wing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to h
ave op
erational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
a
ttached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The
numbe
rs can not be seen on the Sony con
nector
. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware
5.00
and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
g
t;
; stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
g
t; sho
uld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
M
att re
garding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
g
t;
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Product
s For
Aircraft
gt; R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox
.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spa
re Son
y Phatbox cable they're willing to
pa
rt wit
h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable dir
ect fr
om the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR
; Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
BR
; need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to inter
polate
a
;
gt; little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What P
hatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational iss
ues wi
th the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
BR
; For reference, here is a
messa
ge from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They c
an be
seen on the
Ph
atBox
connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-devi
ce con
figurations.
The problem is with the bus master s
ignal.
It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. Ho
wever,
you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; g
t;
&g
t; ==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircr
aft
g
t;
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
; me
BR wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
rking:
gt;
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should d
o the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware up
date?
Im not sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bo
bbybra
un@comcast.net
g
t; Yes
, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
gt; g
t; there, and can co
ntrol
it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x
which
is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are y
ou run
ning the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
wrote
:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and
the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my <B
R>
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
; Phat
box.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
gt; R -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that y
ou *wi
l
l
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor
betwee
n ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
gt;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that m
atches
;
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Ph
atbox?
If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec
t
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attac
hed a
PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
can b R
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
&g
t; Fir
mware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at
all ti
gt; mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should li
sten
BR to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
>
; Matt
G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
<B
R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k oh
ms ins
tead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
&
gt; gt
; wouldn't mi
nd me
using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
gt; R
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor
betwe
en ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you
might
find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What M
att Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depend
ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Son
y firm
ware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operati
onal i
ssues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
hatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
&g
t; con
nections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description
of the
connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
gt; g
t;
; PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-d
own th
e signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
g
t; Aft
er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, yo
u shou
ld listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
BR
; 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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&
gt; <B
R>
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;
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Produ
cts Fo
r Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
p
l
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
;
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
&
gt; <B
R> -- XDP4000X-List message p
osted
by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 vers
ion of
the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as so
on as
the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
g
t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
illing
to
part with f
or som
e cash, or a photo of the bo
ttom o
f a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
gt; From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on ho
w the
Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
BR
; you n
eed
to int
erpolate a
little
&g
t; wit
h respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
; What
Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
BR
; g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
&g
t;
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox
conne
ctor.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configur
ations
. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
gt; with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
&
gt; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld kno
w best
about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001
V | 92
5-6
06-628
1 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the
4.7k
ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
gt; g
t; cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
BR
; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn'
t mind
me using to get myself a
cable
direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List messa
ge pos
ted by: Matt Dralle
g
t;
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
littl
e
with respect to colors and pin numbers
and w
hat not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
; What
Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
>
;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
pgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a messag
e from
M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (S
onyCab
le5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
c
onfigu
rations. I'm not sure if fi
rmware
gt; 6.
00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
;
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho <
BR> uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt; g
t;
BR
;
Matt
G
Dralle
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.c
om Ema
il
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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WW | F
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For A
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ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
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Yes, I've thought about all that already, but here is the thing, I can't get
any
audio to be recognized by the 4000x through it's Analog Changer Inputs. The
only
reason I know it sounds bad is because I hooked a set of headphones up to the
phatbox to test if any audio was present and when I listened it sounded
horrible, (if not mono). I listened to the same exact mp3 file that was being
played on the
PB bac
k inside on my computer through the same headset using the
crappy non 24bit burr brown outputs of my laptop and it sounded 1000x more full
and realistic, so that worries me. And the fact that I can't get any audio to
play back when plugged into the analog changer inputs worries me even more, I
really hope this thing didn't s
omehow
damage my 4000x, there is no way I want to
send it off to Sony and let them hack away at it like they did with my last C90
I sent them...
I have done a full reset from the C90 and still nothing. I'll test out my other
equipment that I know was working beforehand tomorrow and then I'll know more,
but that still doesn't change the issue with the terrible sound output of the
PB.
------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message poste
d by:
Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Great news!
Couple of things come to mind with respect to your new audio woes. Digital vs
Analog input on the 4000x is only negotiated on reset (button on C90), so with
all the plugging around, make sure that you set things up like you want, then
press that reset button.
Second, the "tinny" sound might be because you've selected an unprogrammed
EQ/Xover setting on the 4000x. The default setting has some of the Xover
settings off or highly attenuated.
Plug your PC back into the 4000x and double check all of your EQ and XO memory
locations, and then make sure you select the right ones on the HU.
Almost there!
Matt
BR
;
At 08:13 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.
net <B
R>
Ok, I went ahead and clipped the reset wire and now the PB actually works in my
system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my
processor is not accepting analog audio at the analog changer input any longer
(and it used to just fine)... I did test and there is audio at the outputs of
the PB, but it doesn't s
ound r
ight at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull highs.
I threw my cd changer back in to see if my processor would accept analog audio
from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer
either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand since I always
used
the digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
I have yet to try my
XM uni
t, which I know the analog outs used to work on
since those are the only outputs it has and I u
sed it
for about 6 months in my
system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late and
I
don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially
convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said
before it sounds really bad, and now I'm
worrie
d that something is broken
inside
of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check
everything out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
C
ut the
reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that
line
down and never letting anyone
else i
nit.
Matt
At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
it
split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and
XM re
spectively. Here's a list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB) plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
g
t; XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30:
PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000
x, PB
in Control 1 of C30,
Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the
4000x
, PB plugged into input of
XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
g
t;
; Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
the
system without the PB.
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both sides
besi
des C9
0 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a
thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
problem
is...lol
Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
to
have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the
reset
line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used b
ut fac
tory original PB
cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than
it
was made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has
been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables
that
were made before the modification was put in place.
I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or
blunt
near me after I finished
all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
Ahhhh!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Well, if you're handy with a soldering i
ron, I
would try both the higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hur
t the
equipment.
Well,
unless you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger
slave
on
the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
has
a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
some
examples:
CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Chang
ers, X
M Radio (original Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
gt;
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for
each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
"I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
particular device to use. The address
is a
combination of the device class
(high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
powered
up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
protocol
sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole ne
w bu
s
address
negotiation.
The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
connectivity
to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a devi
ce in
the
stream,
so
negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
Changer
class so you have to be really careful t
hat it
is either directly plugged
into
the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting
with
the
4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a
while
to
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've written
an
embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
microcontroller and I was able t
o writ
e a negotiation routing that is 100%
compatible with
the m
aster/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
surly
Phatbox could.
If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here
on
my
two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
Matt
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006
Tuesda
y, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
I
did
not try it with it instal
led ho
wever so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
resistor
could be the problem, huh?
g
t; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
Phatbox <BR
>
; dire
ctly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you
a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
is
the
; only
other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
gt; g
t; of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k
or so
should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
not
sure
if that woul
d help
but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could c
ause a
problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is <
BR>>
; g
t;
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down
when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 v
gt; er
sion
of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there.
.. as
soon as the Phatbox is
plugged
in
my
4000x
powers
down,
the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
that
someone
wouldn't mind me us
ing to
get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
g
t;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some
help o
n this cable issue. Below are two links
to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
*will
nee
d*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note
the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of
cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
<B
R
What Matt Found on his cable:
gt;
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
l
ittle
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
A
re you
using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with
the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
gt; g
t; "We changed cab
le man
ufacturers since Matt purchased his
system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of
the c
onnections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
seen
gt;
; on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master si
g
nal.
It is an input. It
is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itse
lf. <B
R>
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few s
econds
. However, you
should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using
the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@ma
tronic
s.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Produc
ts For
Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down,
the sy
stem resets and the C90only communicates with
the
BR
; Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody hel
p?
g
t;
;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
to
some
informa
tion o
n how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground
and th
e blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of
cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.
pdf <B
R
BR What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installat
ion. <
BR>
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
using
g
t;
; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connec
tions are the same but the colors are different. You want
to
conne
ct a
BR 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
gt; An
unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
signal
g
t;
; sta
ys high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
PhatBox
&g
t; sho
uld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you
should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
g
t;
; Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&g
t;
gt; g
t;
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
g
t; -------------- Original message --------------
From: M
att Dr
alle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: <BR
>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
gt; suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with f
or som
e cash, or a photo
of the
bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
&g
t; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
g
t; need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
; with
respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www
.matro
nics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbo
x Said
:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
gt;
; Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We c
hanged cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground)
wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi
-devic
e conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
g
t; used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
&
gt; is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a
reset
after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Fea
turing
Products For Aircraft
Well I
had th
e cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
&
gt; 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seeme
d to b
e a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
s
ome <B
R> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
g
t; a
BR little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pd
f
Depending on what version of cable you ha
ve, th
ings might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matc
hes be
st your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
wh
en: <B
R
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description
of th
e connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on
the <
BR> PhatBox connector.
gt; g
t;
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble kn
owing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connecte
d, it
will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you shoul
d list
en to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
;
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Air
craft
g
t;
What do you know about the reset line be
ing cu
t in your diagram? This
is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramth
at was
n't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
g
t; not
sure
if <B
R that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the
head
unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustra
ting,
the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
------
------
-- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List messa
ge pos
ted by: Matt Dralle
Are yo
u runn
ing the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
BR
; willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of
a Sony
PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
gt; g
t; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
g
t; links are for reference only and you might fin
d you
need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to
colors
and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
BR
; different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Pha
tnoise
way back when:
g
t;
;
"We changed cabl
e manu
facturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly
conne
cted to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is w
ith th
e bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
a
rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
;
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt;
Well I had the cable modified
with
the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
gt; Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original messa
ge ---
-----------
From:
Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
&
gt; <B
R> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/Sony
Cable5
.pdf
&
gt; De
pen
ding o
n what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mik
e Woo
at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed
descri
ption
of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
gt;
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatB
ox has
trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is c
on
nect <
BR> ed, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matroni
cs | P
O Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Product
s F <B
R> or Air
craft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
pl
ugged
g
t;
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
BR At 07:2
7 PM 4
/17
/2006
Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of inf
ormati
on.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
------
-------- Original mess
age --
------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
gt;
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
;
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Sai
d: <BR
>
http://www.matro
nics.c
om/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your P
hatbox
? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
system.
The
connections are the same
but th
e colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between
the b
lue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
; I <B
R have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not s
ure if
firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when i
s
the
right time to initialize itself.
A
fter t
he Ph
atBox
is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x <B
R>
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the
Phatbo
x.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
g
t; sin
ce
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
gt; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
&
gt; in
formation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need* <B
R
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
BR
; interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
g
t; different.
Use the drawing that
matche
s best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbo
x? If
you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt;
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
&
gt; ec
tor. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
g
t;
; A
n unmo
dified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
;
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seco
nds. H
owever, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
gt; Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermo
re | C
A | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
ics.c
om/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore
9
25-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message -------------
-
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Drall
e
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one
of the
se. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you
a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
gt;
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what the
y guy
that's been doing the work on the
unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
g
t; Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
--- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XD
P4000X-List m
essage
posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 k
nows t
he Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
; -- X
DP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message post
ed by:
bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plug
ged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
gt; Ph
atbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
&g
t;
;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the P
hatbox
-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
g
t;
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on
what v
ersion of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
If yo
u are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
gt; e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description
of the
connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when direct
ly con
nected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem
is wit
h the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
&
gt; Ph
atBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
BR
Regards,
Mike"
gt;
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still
there.
.. as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms inst
ead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bott
om of
a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running ou
t of o
ptions here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
cod
ing <B
R> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
gt; The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers
and wh
at not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
d
iffere
;
nt.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Ma
ke sur
e you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his syst
em. Th
e
connections are the same but t
he col
ors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm
not su
re if firmware 6.
00 and
an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without
the p
ull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset aft
er a f
ew seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
&g
t; ore
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
a comp
lete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is <B
R there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that t
he Pha
tbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message
poste
d by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
g
t;
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
S
till w
ondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
g
t; som
eone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage
--------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
;
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground
and th
e blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable
:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
g
gt;
; t;
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4
000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t; g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
; conn
ections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
;
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works
with
simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
gt;
; right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Ma
tronic
s | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; htt
p://ww
w.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still th
ere...
as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare So
ny Pha
tbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me
using
to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR
; Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
BR
; information on how the Phatbox-S
ony ca
bles are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found o
n his
cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What P
hatbox Said:
gt; g
t;
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your instal
lation
.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
gt; g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt
purch
ased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox co
nnecto
r.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device i
nitial
izat
ion. W
ithout the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
;
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best a
bout u
sing the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft <B
R
gt; g
t;
==================================================================
<B
R>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
g
t;
;
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only ot
her di
fference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
rking:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing wa
s that
in
the
gt; diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-----
------
--- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalle
d the
firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
gt; g
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever <
BR>>
; it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
g
t;
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
; y Ph
atbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and
the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 onl
y comm
unicates with the
; Phat
box.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
;
; runn
ing out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-L
ist me
ssage posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will <
BR>>
; need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
g
t; Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cabl
e-Rev1
.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything e
lse, y
ou are going to have operati
onal i
ssues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (b
us mas
ter) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
gt; (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
can b
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
&g
t; Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
BR right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
&g
t; <BR
>
g
t;
;
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system rese
ts and
the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
g
t;
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash,
or a p
hoto of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matroni
cs.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. No
te tha
t you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
wit
h resp
ect to col
ors an
d pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
g
t; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
hatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise w
ay bac
k when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
ha
ve
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to
a hea
d unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
gt; g
t;
The problem is with the
bus ma
ster signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
gt;
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
BR
; 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&
gt;
==================================================================
gt; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there,
and can con
trol i
t just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
p
l
ugged
in. I find i
t odd
that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in...
I just
don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net <B
R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
; my
BR 4000x
g
t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
;
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
g
t; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on ho
w the
Pha
tbox-S
ony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the
4.7k o
hm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
l
inks a
re
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matroni
cs.com
/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on y
our Ph
atbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For r
eference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox
conne
ctor.
A
n unmo
dified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
&
gt; wo
rk
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
gt;
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld know best
about
using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
Email
g
t;
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
; BRg
t;
; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Pha
tbox c
able they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
&g
t; run
ning out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
g
t; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only
and yo
u might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp
4000x/
Unilink-To-Phatb
ox-Cab
le-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
g
t;
; pgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the sam
e but
the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbe
rs can
not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
c
onfigu
rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The p
roblem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-do
wn the
signa
l
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
;
Matt G
Dralle
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For A
ircraf
t
==================================================================
;
&
gt;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
A | 94
551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
;
QUOTE
Matt G Dralle | Matronic
s | PO
Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products
For Ai
rcraft
Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. H
ere's
a
list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
up
fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30:
PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
PB.
XA-C30 plugged in
to the
Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
>
; Chan
ger both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
; Radi
o both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
the
system without the PB.
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both
g
t; sid
esbesides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't
learn a
thing from any ofthis and
am no
further ahead in figuring out what the
problem
is...lol
Matt, I may just take
you u
p on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
to
have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original
PBcable
from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it was
made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has been
made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that
were
made before the modification was put in place.
I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or b
lunt n
ear me after I finished
all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would'
ve bee
n!
Ahhhh!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
unless you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger slave
on
the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
has
a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
some
examples:
CD Changer: CD Chan
gers,
Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Chan
gers,
XM Radio (original Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Proce
ssors:
210, 4000x
, inte
rnal Bass/Treble
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for
each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
"I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
(high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
powered
up. If the HU discover
s that
there is anything different (new or missing
device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
protocol
sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
addre
ss
negotiation.
The actual address of the dev
ice is
determined by its location on the bus.
The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
asical
ly what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
connectivity
to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
stream,
so
negotiation goes from Po
rt 1 t
o Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
Changer
class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
into
the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
th
e
4000x in your system since they are different cl
asses
of devices, but I
wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a
while
to
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I didn't really g
et an
answer back. I've written an
g
t; emb
edded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
surly
Phatbox could.
If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
my
two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
Matt
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
g
t; --
XDP4000X-List message posted b
y: bob
bybraun@comcast.net
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if i
t had
an effect. This last time I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in yo
ur dia
gram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have
tried
gt; th
a
t at s
ome point, but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
rote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
&g
t; >
;
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
i
f that
would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
contro
lled
since
it
is pl
ugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dral
le
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
&g
t; since
gt; th
ere seemed to be a conf
lict o
f information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
gt; g
t;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on
how th
e Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
&
gt; and what not might be different dependi
ng on
the version of cable you
have.
The
gt; g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
gt; Us
e the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sur
e you'
re using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatMa
nager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt; g
t; "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
g
t;
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-
&g
t; dev
ice
co
nfigur
ations. I'm not
sure
if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should the
n forc
e a reset
after
a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle
| Mat
ronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281
F | d
ralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
BR
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the P
hatbox
is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
so
meone
wouldn't mind me usi
ng to
get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can any
body h
elp?
-------------- Original messa
ge ---
-----------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
;
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate a
little
with respec
t to c
olors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Fo
und on
his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What P
hatbox
Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
;
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
conn
ection
s are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and oran
ge (gr
ound) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
gt; ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmw
are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the <
BR>>
; signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
gt;
g
t; ; t
he
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
g
t; PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt;
g
t;
;
====================================================
======
========
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 9
25-606
-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So f
rustra
ting, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
g
t; there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@mat
ronics
.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
BR
At 0
7:27 P
M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
g
t;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of th
e bott
om of a Sony PB t
hat R someone
wo
uldn't
mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody h
elp?
BR
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
gt; links ar
e for
reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and
what n
ot:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.co
m/xdp4
000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
If yo
u are using
anything els
e, you
are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. Th
e
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed descriptio
n of t
he connections
(So
nyCabl
e5.pdf).
g
t;
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stay
s high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
g
t; is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown
. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
Produc
ts For Ai
rcraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the
proble
m is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since <B
R
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
gt; g
t; wouldn
't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue
. Belo
w are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the v
ersion
of cable you
have.
g
t;
g
t;
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your insta
llatio
n.
; ; <B
R
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgrad
eable
through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description
of th
e connecti
;
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be se
en on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times.
Thus
the
PhatB
ox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know bes
t abou
t using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; g
t;
;
g
t; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
What do you know abou
t the
;
reset line being cut in your diagram?
This i
s the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well
its a
pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if
gt;
; that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
;
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem
?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbo
x is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still b
e reco
gnized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-
------
------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmw
are? <
BR>
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
;
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
plugg
ed in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still
wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. C
an any
body help?
--
------
------ Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
g
t; inf
ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wire
d. Not
e that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Sai
d: <BR
>
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have op
eratio
nal issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt
Drall
e
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
g
t;
; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when dir
ectly
connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-dev
ice <B
R configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it
will
boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few secon
ds. Ho
wever, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001
V | 9
25-606-6281 F | dralle
@matro
nics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there
... as
soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor
should
've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
BR
;
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of option
s here
. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------
------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding <BR
>
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
;
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
W
hat Ph
atbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0
Sony
firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
g
t;
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
gt; y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
gt;
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not s
ure if
firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
;
g
t; Aft
er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shut
down.
The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-6
06-100
1 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==========================================
======
================== <B
R
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | F
eaturi
ng Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
pl
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
; <BR
>
gt; g
t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrot
e:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
gt;
; and the problem is still there... as soo
n as t
he Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that
resis
tor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
---------
-----
Original message -
------
-------
From: Matt Dralle
-
- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what no
t migh
t be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to
colors
and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.c
om/xdp
4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
BR Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through Phat
Manage
r).
BR Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(S
onyCab
le5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
gt; An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable w
ill <B
R> wor
k
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and
then
shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a rese
t afte
r a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
&
gt;
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resi
ster i
nstalled as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
s
ince
there seemed t
o be a
conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
&g
t; gt;
--
------------ Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
g
t; hav
e.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
gt; little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
<BR
>
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
g
t;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going
to ha
ve operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
gt; a
10k resi
stor b
etween the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The number
s can
not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
gt; <B
R The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
;
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the <B
R>
g
t; right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
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g
t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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t;
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g
t;
matron
gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
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925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial install
ation
I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
resistor <B
R>
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
gt; g
t; From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loan
ing yo
u a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
g
t;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Wh
at do
you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
o
nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be c
ut. I
didnt do
this
BR because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Do
es thi
s sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
gt; g
t; --- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and
can co
ntrol it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
g
t; Pha
tbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are
you r
unning the 7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware? R
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@com
cast.n
et
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a wor
king s
pare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myse
lf a c
a
ble d
irect from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are
for r
eference only
and y
ou might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Mat
t Foun
d on his cable:
&
gt;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at P
hatnoi
se way back
when:
"We changed
cable
manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the
colors
are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF w
ith a
detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is
a
n input. It is used
for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initializat
ion. W
ithout the pull
-down
the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
g
t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
il
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
&
gt; an
d the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t;Anyone out there with
a wor
king spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
runnin
g out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http:/
/www.m
atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, thin
gs mig
ht be a little
d
iffere
nt.
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
his s
ystem. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
BR
; connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.
pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can
be see
n on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
gt; g
t; The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
shoul
d then
force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt r
egardi
ng pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircra
ft
==================================================================
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925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featu
ring P
roducts For Aircraft
Yes, an
d I ev
en reinstalled the firmware and did
a comp
lete system reset
&g
t; afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
shut d
own when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matron
ics.co
m
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun@comcast.net
g
t; Wel
l I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resis
ter in
stalled as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resist
or sho
;
uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage
--------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
gt;
Okay,
here'
s some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
BR
; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
Note
the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
g
t;
;
What Phatbox Said:
h
ttp://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different
.
Use the drawing
that m
atches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to h
ave op
erational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
his s
ystem. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on th
e
&g
t; Pha
tBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware
5.00
and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using th
e C90.
&g
t;
Regards,
Mike"
g
g
t; t;
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
;
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to <B
R
pa
rt wit
h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR
; Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
gt; g
t; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
; gt;
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What P
hatbox Said:
http://www.m
; atro
ni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
BR
; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: <
BR>>
;
"W
e chan
ged cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
his sy
stem. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-devi
gt; g
t; ce con
figurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an
input
. It is used for
gt; ar
bitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; g
t;
==
======
==========================================
======
==========
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.
com/ W
WW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
; me
BR wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
rking:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs
10 should not ma
tter b
ut I could be wrong.
The o
ther thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
g
t; Yes
, and I even reinsta
lled t
he firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
gt; g
t; there, and can
contro
l it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
wrote
:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and
the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
40
00x <B
R> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phat
box.
BR Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a
worki
ng spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
gt; R -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *wil
l
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground a
nd the
blue wire. Note the color <B
R
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
gt;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything
else,
you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeab
le thr
ough PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec
t
a
1
0k res
istor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
can b
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an
unmod
ified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t;
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is us
ed for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at
all ti
mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall <B
R>
e | Ma
gt; g
t; tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Emai
l
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
g
t;
;
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>
;
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
BR
; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
gt; R
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
gt; g
t; the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
<
BR> What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http
://www
.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
gt; De
pend
ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
hatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his s
ystem.
The
connections are the same but the co
lors a
re different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires
. I <B
R have
attached a PDF with a detailed description
of the
connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t
; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during d
evice
initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
g
; t; A
ft
er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
gt; g
t; ;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
BR
; 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==============================================================
==== <
BR>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
;
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http:/
/www.m
atronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
Produ
cts For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
p
l
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From
: Matt
Dralle dralle@matronics.
com <B
R
-- XDP4000X-List message p
osted
by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
g
t;
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
g
t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that res
istor
should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox
cable
they're w
illing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-
------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below
are t
wo links to some
information on ho
w the
Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
BR
; you n
eed to i
nterpo
late a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
gt; g
t; What Phatbox Said:
g
t;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise
way b
ack wh
en:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
h
ave
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox
conne
ctor.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodi
fied c
able will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the
bus m
aster signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is conn
ected,
it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld know best ab
out us
ing the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-6
06-628
1 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&
gt; <B
R>
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets an
d the
C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wonde
ring i
f that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
BR
; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a
cable
direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.co
m
gt; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color <B
R
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers
and w
hat not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/ <
BR>>
; SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Mak
e sure
you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
pgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt D
rall
e
For reference, here is a messag
e from
Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detai
led de
scription of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cab
le sho
uld work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
; c <B
R onfigu
rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
;
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it wil
l boot
and then shutdown. The
PhatBo
x
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G
Dralle
1
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.c
om Ema
il
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
======================================================
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925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.c
om/ WW
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t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
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A | 94
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925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.co
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ronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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cs | P
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Ok, I went ahead andclipped thereset wire and nowthe PBactually works in my
system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my
processor is not accepting analog audio at the anal
og cha
ngerinput any longer
(and it used to just fine)... Idid testand there is audio at the outputs of the
PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull highs.
I threw my cd changerback in to see if my processor would accept analog audio
from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer
either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand sinc
e I al
ways used
the digital outpu
t of t
he changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
I have yet to try my XM unit, which I know the analog outs used to work on
since those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in my
system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late and
I
don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially
BR
; convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said
before it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken
inside
of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check
everything out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Drall
e dral
le@matronics.com
&
gt;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Cut the reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that line
down and never letting anyone else init.
Matt
At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
short
o
f unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
it
split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB) plugged directly int
o the
Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
up fin
e and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C3
0 plug
ged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30: PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB pow
ers up
fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
BR
;
gt; g
t;Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
&
gt; th
e
system without the PB.
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both sides
besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a
thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
problem
is...lol
Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going to
have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original PB
gt; ca
ble from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than
it
was made by Phatnoise) or age o
f the
&
gt; ca
ble so I don't know how recent it has
been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables
that
were made before the modification was put in place.
I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
Ahhhh!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
-- XDP4000X
-List
message posted by: Matt Dralle
Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equi
pment.
Well,
unless you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger sla
ve
on
the bus. Each class
of acc
essory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has
a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
some
examples:
CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will
respo
nd with "I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
pa
rticul
ar device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
(high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (lo
w nibb
le).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
powere
d
up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a protocol
sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
address
negotiation.
The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
connectivity
; to a
ll of the slaves down stream until i
t rece
ives an address from the HU. On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the stream,
so
;
negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
C
hanger
class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
into
the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the
4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
to
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I did
n't re
ally get an
answe
r back. I've written an
embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
microco
ntroll
er and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
surly
Phatbox could.
If
you'd
like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
my
two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
Matt
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
BR not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
g
g
t; t;
;So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30
multi
plexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you pr
g
t;
; omise
on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message
posted
by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
&g
t; me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the <B
R
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
d
iagram
you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to
the he
ad unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
g
t;
;
Yes,
and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
BR
; it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
--
XDP400
gt; 0X
-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
; Well
I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
; in
BR my
4000x
powers
down,
the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a So
ny PB
that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-
------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
&g
t; <BR
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
BR
; Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the versi
on of
cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and
pin n
umbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp40
00x/So
nyCabl
e5.pd
f
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
gt; g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
"We changed
cable
manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are diffe
rent.
You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
>
; wire
s.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
g
t;
;
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the
bus m
g
g
t; t;
;aster signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox ha
s trou
ble
knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
g
t;
; Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
gt; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
Produ
cts For Aircraft
BR
;
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soo
n as t
he Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're <B
R
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a ph
oto of
the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original messa
ge ---
-----------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two l
inks t
o
s
ome <B
R information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only
and y
ou might find you need to
interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
gt;
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.
m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing
that
matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
gt; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using
7.0 S
ony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
g
t;
; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange
(groun
d)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers ca
n not
be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly co
nnecte
d to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configuration
s. I'm
not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
g
t; right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot
and t
hen shutdown. The
&
gt; Ph
atBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
BR
; listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@m
atroni
cs.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-628
1 F |
dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Air
craft
<BR
>
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
gt;
; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 vers
ion of
gt; th
e Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wr
ote: <
BR> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in <B
R my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
gt; g
t; someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factor
y?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
g
t;
&
gt; --
------------ Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might f
ind <B
R you n
eed to inter
polate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-C
able-R
ev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics
.com/x
dp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
g
t;
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
gt; t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
conne
ct
gt; a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orang
e (gro
und) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmo
dified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
g
t; igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
whe
n
is
the
right time t
o init
ialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know be
st abo
ut using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
gt; suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
40
00x <B
R powers down, the syste
m rese
ts and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a worki
ng spa
re Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
gt; running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-So
ny cab
les are w
ired.
Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be differ
ent de
pendi
ng on
the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony fi
rmwar
e
on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anyth
ing el
se, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We
chang
ed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
gt; <B
R An u
&
gt; nm
odif
ied cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable w
orks w
ith simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho <B
R
uld th
en force a reset after a
few s
econds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about usin
g the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; <B
R
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
;
g
t;
gt;
; What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other diffe
rence
shown in your diagram
that w
asn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower dow
n it s
eemed that they fixed that with a fir
mware
update? Im not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
--
------
------ Original message -------------- <B
R
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shut
s down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be
recogn
ized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox fir
mware?
Matt
At
gt; 07
:27
PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets
and th
e C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
par
t with
for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
&g
t; I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
<B
R
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information
on how
the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor be
tween
ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Un
ilink-
To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/
xdp400
0x/SonyCable5.pdf
gt; Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
diffe
rent.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We chang
ed cab
le manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
&g
t; con
nect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attach
ed a P
DF with a detailed description
of the
connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if f
irmwar
e 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatB
ox has
trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initial
ize it
self.
After the PhatBox i
s conn
ected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
g
t;
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as <B
R suggested
and the problem is stil
l ther
e... as soon a
s the
Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wonder
ing if
that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
;
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: M
att Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two link
s to s
ome
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
T
he
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
gt; cs
.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
;
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-400
0x. <B
R Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
co
nnect
gt; <B
R a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be se
en on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
g
t; con
figurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
g
t;
; gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device ini
tializ
ation. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
list
en <BR
> to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
gt; <B
R Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Mat
ronics
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
BR
==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete sy
stem r
eset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
pl
ugged
in.
I find
it odd that the
Phatb
ox can still be recognize
d and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
;
Well I had the ca
ble mo
dified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90
only
communicates wi
th the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
so
meone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: M
att Dr
alle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the
Phatbo
x-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and th
e blue
wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending
on the
version of cable you
have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a li
ttle <
B
R
differen
t.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp
-4000x
.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
system. <B
R
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attach
ed a P
DF with a detailed description of the connectio
ns <BR
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple mul
ti-dev
ice
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
gt; work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
&
gt; Ph
atBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
g
t;
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle |
Matro
nics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
s
u
ggest
ed
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resis
tor sh
ould've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to ge
t myse
lf a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody hel
p?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matron
ics.co
m
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color <BR
>
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
;
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found o
n his
cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phat
box Sa
id:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
;
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operation
al iss
ues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are t
he sam
e but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodifi
ed cab
le works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
;
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
gt; t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initial
izatio
n. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regardi
ng pus
hing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
&g
t; ; <
BR>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http
://www
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Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Bo
x 347
925-606-1001 V |
925-6
06-6281 F | dralle@mat
ronics
.com Email
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I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it
anothe
r try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP
4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system
using
one of these. Basically
C90-4
000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List mess
age po
sted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me wrote after I contacted
him t
he last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resist
or so
any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask
Matt.
Does it still work when
dir
ectly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
--- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can
contro
l it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
BR
; Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
BR
; Are you running the 7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-Li
st mes
sage posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
<B
R>
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to g
et mys
elf a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
BR
; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted b
y: Mat
t Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note t
hat yo
u
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com
gt;
gt; g
t; /xdp40
00x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on yo
ur Pha
tbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For r
eferen
ce, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers s
ince M
att purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the c
olors
are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable
shoul
d work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an
unmod
ified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master s
ignal.
It is an input. It is used
for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few
second
s. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best abo
ut usi
ng the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dr
alle@m
atronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon
as th
BR
; e Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox ca
ble th
ey're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable dir
ect fr
om the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@
matron
ics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how
the P
hatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a <
BR>>
; little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
BR
; http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
d
iffere
nt.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on yo
ur Pha
tbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike W
oo at
Phat
noise
way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when direc
tly c
o
nnected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
;
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus mast
er sig
nal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
<B
R
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&
gt; <B
R> ==================================================================
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
a comp
lete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can c
ontrol
it just fi
ne, bu
t the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatb
ox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
&g
t; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
; and
the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
; powe
rs down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with <
BR>>
; a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage
--------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X
-List
message posted by:
Matt
Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
; the
4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed t
o interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
;
g
t;
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5
.pdf
BR
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issu
es wit
h the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
&
gt; when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations
. I'm
not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
BR with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used f
or
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
gt; right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 92
5-606-
6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; R
Well I had the cable modif
ied wi
th the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... a
s soon
as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k <B
R
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-
------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR
; Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
&
gt; <B
R>
Okay
, here
's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information
on how
the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What P
hatbox Said:
http:
//www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
;
SonyCable5.pdf
g
t;
Depending on what version of cable
you h
ave, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors
are di
fferent. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I <B
R
have
att
ached
a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be
seen
on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is us
ed for
arbitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initial
ize it
self.
After the PhatBox
is co
nnected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you shoul
d list
en to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermor
e | CA
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; g
t;
==================================================================
g
t; Mat
t G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
Produc
ts For Aircraft
g
t;
<B
R
What do
you kn
ow about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
rking:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but
I coul
d be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update
? Im n
ot
sure
if
that would
help
but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
<
BR> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
gt; g
;
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
gt; plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Orig
inal m
essage --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted b
y: Mat
t Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister ins
t
alled
as
suggested
and
the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
pa
rt wit
h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wou
ldn't
mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4
000X-L
ist message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
BR
gt; Wha
t Matt
Found
on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matroni
cs.com
/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
;
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his syst
em. Th
e
connections are the same but
the c
olors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the bl
ue (bu
s master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
can b
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when dir
ectly
connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high (+5V) at all tim
es. Th
us the PhatBox ha
s trou
ble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
g
t;
; to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed a
s
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soo
n as t
h
e Phat
box is plugged in my
gt; 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
g
t;
;
BR -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are tw
o link
&g
t; s to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Sa
id: <B
R
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are <
BR>>
; you us
ing version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
hatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t; Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are diff
erent.
You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
&
gt; An unmod
ified
cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with
simpl
e multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during de
vice i
nitialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He
would
know best about
using
the C90.
Rega
rds,
BR Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
BR
; 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
BR
;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Live
rmore
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows
the Ph
atbox is
there,
and ca
n cont
rol it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
p
l
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x wh
ich is
shut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know
what
to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem
is st
ill there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
; 4000
x
g
t; powers down, the system reset
s and
the C90 only communicates with the
BR
; Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
BR
; Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. B
elow a
re two links to some
information on ho
w the
P
hatbox
-Sony cables are wi
red. N
ote that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your insta
llatio
n.
BR
;
gt; Are you using version 7
.0 Son
y firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoi
se way
back when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
BR
; The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be s
een on
the
PhatBox
conne
ctor.
An unmodified cab
le sho
uld work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
unmod
ified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boo
t and
then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding
pushin
g reset.
He wo
uld know best about using the C90.
g
t;
Regards
,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system
reset
s and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Ph
atbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
BR
&
gt; ;
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a ph
oto of
the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
; Okay
, here's some help on thi
s cabl
e issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have. <BR
>
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin nu
mbers
and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
gt; g
t;
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
BR Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
pgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e <BR
>
For reference, here is a message from Mike Wo
o at P
hatnoise way back when:
"We chang
ed cab
le manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
g
t; have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
c
onfigu
ra
tions. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work <
BR> with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arb
itrati
on during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble know
ing wh
en is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
BR
; Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G
Dralle
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http
://www
.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
g
t;
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-100
1 V |
925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
A | 94
551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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QUOTE
<
BR>>
;
gt;
gt; g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dral
le@mat
ronics.com Email
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Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a
list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers up
fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C
30:
PB
&g
t; <BR
> powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
Changer in Control
2 of C
30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
the
system without the PB.
g
t;
Basically anything that is run inline b
efore
AND after the Phatbo
x is s
hut down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both
sidesbesides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn'
t lear
n
a
thing from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the problem
is...lol
Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going to
have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original PBcable
from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it was
made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has been
g
t; made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cabl
es tha
t
were
made before the modification was put in place.
g
t;
;I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
all these tests, if there had
been
who knows what the outcome would've been!
Ahhhh!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
unless you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first C
DChang
er slave
on
the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has
a
class that it
falls
into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
some
examples: <B
R
CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tun
er, In
ternal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x
, inte
rnal Bass/Treble
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with "I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
(high nibble) and the device's assigned address
on th
e UB (low nibble).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
powered
up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (ne
w or m
issing
device) from the last time it started, it w
ill re
set the bus (both a protocol
sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
address
negotiation.
The actual addre
ss of
the device is determined by its location on the bus.
The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
asical
ly what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
connectivity
to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU. On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device
in th
e stream,
so
negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
Changer
class so you have to be really careful that it is
eithe
r directly plugged
into
the HU or is on Port 1 of th
e firs
t XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the
4000x in your system since they are different classes of devic
es, bu
t I
wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
to
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I didn't really g
et an
answer back. I've written an
embedded processor Unilink Slave emulat
or tha
t runs on an 8051-compatible
microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
surly
Phatbox could.
If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and
I can
give it a try here on
my
two installations to see if the
probl
em is the Phatbox or something else.
Matt
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
BR
; I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
;
So you don't think the reset line in yo
ur dia
gram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30
multip
lexer? On both of my insta
llatio
ns, I am plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
can't rememb
er for
sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
A
t 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
rote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
me wrote after I
&
gt; co
ntac
ted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cu
t. I d
idnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmw
are up
date? Im not sure
i
f that
would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, a
nd I even reinstalled the firmw
are an
d did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it
is pl
ugged into th
e 400
0x whi
ch is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: b
obbybr
aun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm
resis
ter installed as
sugge
sted
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still won
dering
if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
th
ere se
emed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
g
t; g
t;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message poste
d by:
Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
BR *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on
the v
ersion of cable you
have.
The
gt; g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his ca
ble:
BR
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have,
things
might be a little
different.
gt; Us
g
t;
; e the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable
throu
gh
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable ma
nufact
urers since Matt purchased his system. The
g
t;
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed
descr
i
ption of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
co
nfigur
ations. I'm not
sure
if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
gt;
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
; is
BR the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox i
s conn
ected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should the
n forc
e a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
g
t; 925
-606-1001 V | 925-606
-6281
F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
BR
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugg
ested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
&
gt; Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
so
meone
woul
dn't m
ind me using to get myself a cable direct from
the fa
ctory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
gt; <B
R -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k o
hm res
istor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
;
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate a
little
; with
respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.ma
tronic
s.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Sa
id: <B
R
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything
else,
you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are
the sa
me but the c
olors
are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmw
are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
unmod
ified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used <B
R
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high
(+5V)
at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
g
t; PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
&g
t; Mike"
BR
;
gt; <B
R
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
h
ttp://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
;
==================================================================
M
att G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So f
rustra
ting, the C9
0 know
s the Phat
box is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I
find
it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
BR
;
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 0
7:27 P
M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as
the Ph
atbox is plugged in my
4000x
BR
; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB t
hat <B
R someone
wouldn't mind me u
sing t
o get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dra
lle <B
R
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to som
e
informati
on on
how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
gt; links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com
/xdp40
00x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
diff
erent.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 So
ny fir
mware on your Phatbox?
If yo
u are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
gt; 10
k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
; have
attached a PDF with a detailed descri
ption
of the connections
(So
nyCabl
e5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
<
BR> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
gt; is
; the
right
time t
o initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about u
sing t
he C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
Produc
ts For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still t
here..
. as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
gt; po
wers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
&g
t; to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn
't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
gt;
BR Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired
. Note
that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
g
t;
The
links are for reference only and you might find y
ou nee
d to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCab
le5.pd
f
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
;
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
If you
are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mik
e Woo
at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires
. I
have
attach
ed a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
;
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a hea
d unit
.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master
signa
l. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the
PhatB
ox has tro
uble k
nowing when
is
the
right
time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
;
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&
gt; <B
R>
================================================================== <B
R
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
What do you know abou
t the
reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that
's bee
n doing the work on the unit for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k
or so
shou
ld do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing w
as tha
t in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
;
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.n
et
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all
to no
avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it
just f
ine, but the 4000x just shuts down whe
never
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-
------
------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well
I
had t
he cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my <B
R 400
0x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still
wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dra
lle <B
R
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt
Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
g
t; g
t; inf
ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony
cables
are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
gt;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
gt; different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you ar
e usin
g
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
; g <B
R t;
; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
g
t;
;
The numbers can not be
seen o
n the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head un
it. <B
R> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-d
own th
e signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
; shou
ld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt r
egardi
ng pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
<
BR> Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle
@matro
nics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; We
ll I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
gt; St
ill wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a workin
g spar
e Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone <
BR>>
;
BR
;
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original messa
ge ---
-----------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
gt; need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
g
t; links are for reference only
and y
ou might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
nu
mbe <B
R> rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox
-Cable
-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are y
ou using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a mess
age fr
om Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacture
rs sin
ce Matt purchased his system. The
connec
tions are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
g
t;
;gt; y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem
is wi
th the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is
used f
or
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
;
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a r
eset a
fter a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW
turing Products For Aircraft
g
t;
============================
======
========
======
==================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics
.com/
WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
pl
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still b
e reco
gnized and
gt; g
t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what
to do
...
-----
--------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of
the S
ony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soo
n as t
he Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
gt; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
BR
; with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-
- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are
two l
inks to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
&g
t; <BR
> g
t; eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and
pin nu
mbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.c
om/xdp
4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might
be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise
way b
ack
;
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF w
ith a
detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
wor
k
with any multi-device conf
igurat
io
ns. <B
R
The probl
em is
with the bus master signal. It is
an inp
ut. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to in
itiali
ze itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
;
Well I had the cable
modifi
ed with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon a
s the
Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
s
ince
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
r
unning out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@
matron
ics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Drall
e
BR Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
gt; Wh
at Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
g
t;
&
gt; ; 4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
g
t;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise wa
y back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
gt;
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>
; have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyC
able5.
pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
g
t;
; The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
;
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without
the pu
ll-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
&
gt; Af
ter the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
; en f
orce a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
g
t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-60
6-6281
F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
; ====
==============================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Em
ail <B
R> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
BR
;
matron
gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V |
925-60
6-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; <B
R
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
&
gt; <B
R> -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP400
0X-Lis
t message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
g
t; the
Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I'v
e ever
tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you kn
ow abo
ut th
e rese
t line being cut in your diagram? This is the
o
nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
o
f the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
me wrote after I contac
ted hi
m the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
gt; Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could
cause
a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
gt; g
t; --- <B
R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4
000X-L
ist message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
;
Yes, and I even reinstalled th
e firm
ware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the
7.0 v
ersion
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware? <B
R
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4
000X-L
ist m
essage posted b
y: bob
bybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to ge
t myse
lf a c
able d
irect from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
g
g
t; t;
; -------------- Original message -
------
-------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Mat
t Foun
>
; d on
his cable:
http://www.matro
nics.c
om/xdp4000x/U
nilink
-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCabl
e5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed
cable
ma
nufact
urers since Matt purchased
his sy
stem. The
g
t; connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is
with t
he bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used
BR
; for
g
&g
t; t;
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the
PhatBo
x is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94
551 <B
R 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
il
h
ttp://
www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the c
able m
odified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering i
f that
resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someon
e
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
runnin
;
g out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List
messa
ge posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note t
he color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
;
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http:
/
/www.m
atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of ca
ble yo
u have, things might be a little
d
iffere
nt.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
gt; Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
gt; Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable man
ufactu
rers since Matt purchased
his s
ystem. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed descripti
on of
the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple mul
ti
-devic
e
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with th
e bus
master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it w
ill bo
ot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
gt; Mi
ke"
BR
;
Matt
G Dral
le | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@
matron
ics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircra
ft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featur
ing Pr
oducts For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware an
d did
a comp
lete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
; plug
ged in. I find it
odd t
hat the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
shut d
own when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM
4/17/2
006 Monday, you wrote:
-
- XDP4
000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only
commu
nicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resist
or sho
uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here.
Can a
nybody help? <BR
>
-------------- Original me
ssage
--------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
gt; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor b
etween
ground and the blue wire.
Note
the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
<B
R
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
g
t;
;
What Phatb
ox Sai
d:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use t
he dra
wing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to h
ave op
erational issu
es wit
h the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We chan
ged ca
ble manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orang
e (gro
und) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The
numbe
rs can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware
5.00
and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
co
nfigur
ations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the
bus m
aster signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
>
;
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
g
t; sho
uld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
g
t;
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-10
01 V |
925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
g
t; gt;
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; <B
R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates
with t
he Phatbox
.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
pa
rt wit
h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
ru
nn
ing <B
R out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR
; Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
BR
; need*
the 4
.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
gt; little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt
Found
on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
BR
;
What P
hatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anyth
ing el
se, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
BR
; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way ba
ck whe
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue
(bus
master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They c
an be
seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodifie
d cabl
e works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-devi
ce con
figurations.
BR
;
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize
itsel
f.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. Ho
wever,
you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle |
Matro
nics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matr
onics.
com
Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; g
t;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Emai
l
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircr
aft
g
t;
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable.
Here's
wh
at the
y guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
; me
BR wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
rking:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware up
date?
Im not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message ---
------
-----
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List
messag
e posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
g
t; Yes
, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
gt; g
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x
which
is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don'
t know
what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
g
t;
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At
07:27
PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
wrote
:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and
the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
; Phat
box.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of informat
ion.
BR
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they'
re wil
ling to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody he
lp? <B
R>
gt; <B
R -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *wil
l
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
; li
nk
s are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
gt; <
BR>>
; What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware
(upgra
deable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For referenc
e, her
e is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec
t
a
10k resistor between the blue (bu
s mast
er) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
can b <B
R
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodifi
ed cab
le works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
BR
; The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at
all ti
mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right
time t
o initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should li
sten
BR to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
gt; Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the
C90on
ly communicates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k oh
ms ins
tead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
gt; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
gt; <B
R
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor
betwe
en ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending
on th
e version of cab
le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depend
g
t; ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Son
y firm
ware on you
r Phat
box? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have
operat
ional issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
hatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description
of the
connections
(SonyCable5
.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
g
t;
; PhatBox connector.
; An u
nmod
ified
cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
g
t; Aft
er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
s
hould then force a reset after a few seconds. However, yo
u shou
ld listen to
M
att regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
&g
t; <BR
> Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
BR
; 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
;
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Produ
cts Fo
gt;r A
ircra
ft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 k
nows t
he Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
p
l
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message p
osted
by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Are you running the 7.0 vers
BR
; ion of
the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4
/17/20
06 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as <B
R>
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
g
t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
illing
to
part with for some
cash,
or a photo of the bo
ttom o
f a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-
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------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
&
gt; <B
R>
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on ho
w the
Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
BR <B
R ; you n
eed
to int
erpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
h
ttp://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
differ
ent.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dral
le
g
t;
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
gt; <B
R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
gt; at
tached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not
be see
n on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox
conne
ctor.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm n
ot sur
e if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
gt; with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox
is con
nected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds
. Howe
ver, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt; <B
R
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001
V | 92
5-6
06-628
1 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still
wonde
ring if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seeme
d to b
e a conflict of information.
BR
; Anyone out there with
a wor
king spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn'
t mind
me using to get myself a
cable
direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the
blue
wire. Note the color coding
BR
; and what not might
be dif
fere
nt dep
ending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
littl
e
with respect to colors and pin numbers
and w
hat not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are go
ing to
hav
e oper
ational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you'r
e usin
g 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
pgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a messag
e from
Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons <B
R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
BR An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodifi
ed cab
le works with simple multi-device
c <BR
>
onfigu
rations. I'm not sure if fi
rmware
6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
;
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. Ho
wever,
you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt
G
Dralle <BR
>
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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
At 02:50 PM 4/19/2006 Wednesday, you wrote:
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
>Well, it seems as if I maybe spoke too soon. My 4000x stops accepting audio from
the PB as soon as the source is changed (i.e. whenever the Tuner or in dash
CD is selected). As soon as I go back to the PB as a source, it comes up but
analog audio will not be played back again unless a different source is plugged
into the Changer Input of the 4000x. I guess I'm going to have to try installing
my XA-C30 after all, and see if this fixes the problem... And the frustration
quickly returns. Grrr!
Well, that's a bummer... For the record, on my installation I am using the C30's
to switch the Unilink, but I've connected the Phatbox directly up to the Changer
Analog inputs on the 4000x.
While this might not be related to your problem, I found that there is a huge problem
with grounding loops between the PB and the 4000x/C90. I had hard mounted
everything floor pan of my 1998 Chevy truck, and found that the squeal from
the alternator unbearable. Finally, I mounted the PB to my backbone behind
the rear seat (wood) with short screws so that it was isolated from the truck's
chassis and the alternator wine went completely away. FYI.
Also, I found that the PB seems really sensitive to line level cable load especially
when connected to the 4000x. Possibly because the 4000x has 4 volt line
level inputs and the PB doesn't? Don't know about that for sure. In any case,
I used super short (1 meter) top of the line Monster line level cables between
the PB and the 4k and have had good success. There is still a slight attenuation
on the bass from the PB, but its not bad. This is detected by playing
a song from a CD using the Optic output CD Changer into the Optic input on the
4x vs. playing the same song through the PB to the 4k using the Analog inputs.
There is definitely bass roll off with the PB.
Matt
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